NATO at 75: More Allies, Less Unity? | To the point
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- NATO is celebrating its 75th anniversary -- in the shadow of unprecedented challenges. Just as alliance leaders were gathering, Russia bombarded a pediatric hospital in Kiev, killing and wounding dozens of children and prompting Ukraine’s president to renew his pleas for additional air defense systems. Whether such support will be forthcoming in future even if Donald Trump returns to the White House is just one of the doubts worrying NATO members. The alliance is bigger than ever, but does that make it stronger, or potentially more divided? Can 32 member states maintain a united front against aggressors? The question: NATO at 75: More Allies, Less Unity?
Guests:
Marcus Keupp, Department of Defense Economics at the Military Academy of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology
Rafael Loss, European Council on Foreign Relations
Kristi Raik, International Centre for Defence and Security
Chapters:
00:00 Opener
02:20 Russian war crimes - the new normal?
03:30 A Russian attack on a hospital targeted to show NATO’s weakness?
04:50 The allies are not doing enough to enable Ukraine to win the war
05:45 Video: NATO - united and stronger than ever?
07:40 How great is NATO’s potential?
09:25 Is NATO doing enough to deter a Russian attack on Poland the Baltics?
10:40 How fast could Russia rebuild its military capacity?
12:45 Is Germany still a laggard
14:05 Will the burden to defend Europe shift from the US to the Europeans
15:45 The emphasis of Baltic and Nordic countries is still on transatlantic ties
17:30 We’ve had 30 years of policy failure in Europ
18:00 It takes years to bring the West to a production level that can compare with Russia
18:50 Video: Who is Mark Rutte, the new NATO-Chief?
20:00 Is NATO up to the new challenges?
22:00 Do the new initiatives make NATO Trump-proof?
22:40 Is it enough to promise that Ukraine’s NATO membership is “irreversible”?
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It’s always the people that when the war comes won’t be the one on the front line talking the loudest.
2% of GDP now to deter OR 40% of GDP later to fight. The choice should be obvious.
Yes. Later.
@@urbansenicar81 try a full sentence sport. English really that hard even with a built in translation feature? Like you can't type a sentence in any language?
NATO is one country with 31 slave countries...😂😂😂😂
How can there be "unity" when all NATO members are not equal?? The United States always gets what it wants; you think the same can be said of Portugal or Estonia????😂
Be careful what you wish for. If Trump is elected NATO countries like Portugal and Estonia may be able to do whatever they want to but with Russia at their doorstep.
nato is a democracy, i know someone like you got no idea how a democracy works, you should study it, you might learn something
Yes! A corrupted democracy most of it just stays on paper not in practice.
Who has tried to invade the us? And have been the us invaded
And who have been the us invaded?? Shall I write the list or you have the intelligence to search for??????
More allies for wars but less unity for peace!!!
Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime.
Tell that to Putin.
And Israel @@Incorruptus1
@@keterscp1064 Yupp.
Agreed, but NOT defending yourself against an aggressor like Putin is also a crime.
War will always be better than tribute.
End NATO ☮️💞 and save the world 🌍 from these warmongers 🕊️
Warmonger Russia is validating the existence of NATO.
Sorry Vladimir, ain't gonna happen!
Lol and leave europe to russia? Not happening rubot
I guess we are suppose to guess at what three OP was talking about.
Not hard to spot the foreigner posts. They never quite understand how a full sentence actually works.
@@burns281981 Calm down, grammar Karen.
40 trillion economy cannot fight against 2 trillion economy 😂😂😂
34 trillions in debt 🤣🤣🤯🤯🤡🤡🤡
@@PeterLamin-pi6rvdebt to US citizens and something the US can afford being the largest economy in the world. Why don't you talk about the $200 trillion debt th3 chinese have but are hiding? Yet the US sits on top of the world looking down at you 😂
Europe forgot how to actually fight
One of best pretexts the Dictators around the world can respond to “their actions of lethal destruction” is “rejection”…!
More importantly, they always act as the “victims” of what happened…!
As always Marcus Keupp was spot on and interesting to listen to. However, the other participants were not at par, and the show format needs tweaking to generate a flow and interesting debate that actually generates new food for thought.
Notice how they side stepped the question of "Would Poland be next"
what a clownshow
says the only clown here, so i guess you would know
After Iraq and Afghanistan and Israel
Yeah I agree
After Iraq, Afghanistan and Israel
Europe has lost me
😂😂😂
Are thinking about yourself?
Fun how the USA used to be the leader of the free world, with NATO on top of their greatest achievement, only to now give their president king power to stand above the law and destroy the alliance they built.
Well, not the weirdest thing that happened in history ^^.
The USA IS the leader of the world. Wtf are you talking about 😂
There are no president king in NATO. Each country has veto powers.
Still, US still leads the free world. Free world also means each other country has a say and viewed equally by US.
@@TakZ000 You seem to have missed the last development in US politic, especially when it comes to their supreme court ;p.
@@Wvavy And then, trump and his MAGA movement ;p.
On September 12, 2001, a day after the terrorist attacks of September 11, the United States officially requested the support of its NATO allies, invoking Article 5 of the NATO Treaty.
Was the assistance from other countries, nato members sufficient at that time?
It was but this is a bad example because the US really did not need assistance.
yeh they won over two countries aand held them for 20 years while only lossing a couple thousand troops, so it was very succesful and suffcient it seems
@@legatilegions8055 The US & Co. got 20 years of humiliation and legged it out of Afghanistan overnight.
@@Memovox YOU got 20 years of humiliation, Muhammad.
Definitely: More Allies , Less Unity
@@amilaperera1 correct , more allies for wars, less unity for peace.
Correct, more allies for war, less unity for peace.
Generation after generation, the NATO alliance continues to contribute greatly to mankind by keeping peace and international orders around the world from maligned actors.
- Freedom-loving people should be thankful for their services.
Which mankind? The rest outside the west know what that grouping means
😂😂 Iraq, Lybia Serbia Syria 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤯🤡🤡🤡
@@PeterLamin-pi6rv iraq = mad dictator, lybia = crazy dictator, syria = crazy dictator, nato saved a huge number of those populations from their own insane dictators who was killing them, so you should be thanking nato.
Thanks for bring it up 🤡
@@PeterLamin-pi6rvNot doing anything to help the people of Gaza either.
I always thought this was an Indian bot... now I'm not so sure...
Is that too complicated for you all?
The french defeat must be paid by France, not by Europe.
DW, How are the children in Gaza?
What does the people of gazaa have to do with nato?
@legatilegions8055
Now, you reveal the nature of NATO.
@@waynegore5291 no im asking you, its quite simple to understand even if you got a small brain, but ill ask again..
What does israels war with hamas have to do with nato??
How was it to libya?
Thank you for saying what I was thinking!
it is like this in the Eu the bigger you get the less consensus you have, it needed to be deeper first.
32 members means nothing. Not all members are the same.
And no mention of India, who is buying Russian resources as well.
Not dozens of children (three too much), but three, and the possibility exists that it was a Ukraine air defense rocket.
take out the "N" and the "A" of NATO, reconsider the original aims, the original circumstances, realize, that they have been similar to today, only not around the North-Atlantic, but the entire globe, come by that to the conclusion, that a deterrence treaty organization up to date needs to include Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, Australia and New Zealand and find out, that right that would be the solution to the world's issues.
Yes - China would bark loudly - but discover its priority for pecuniary interests.
THAT alliance would be the framework that could work without US, but would hurt US when leaving that much that it will stay and even accept its reduced dominance.
Founding that alliance would mean a new accession process, demanding of Hungary and Turkey a re-consideration of their orientation.
They would NOT orient towards their failing besties.
Not at least:
THAT would be the urgently un-bypassable security pillar of UN-SC.
How can 32 nation fighting russia cry for china help
Sanctions are wonderful 💯🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡
no one is crying but you, most of us are laughing ^^ its putin who is crying to china, iran and NK
It's hypocritical
EXACTLY
NATO is a laughing stock
Send this groups to front line .
I'm outraged by this video but since DW removes comments with genuine criticism I'll leave it like that.
I remember when rocket lauched handgrenades were used to take over the Government of Ukraine.
Organizations like NATO start failing, or having more serious internal challenges to existence, when they loose the commitment to the organization charter. NATO members for decades got used to depending on the US to serve as sheriff of the world and stopped the financial investments they signed up for. Trump is a complete lunatic and criminal but he served to show how weak our systems in the US, and some international, are. The big question in the air now is: Are we going to use the learning and fix what we see is deficient?
As an American i can't wait for The United States to get out of NATO. I wish all Europeans luck on your security. America doesn't belong in Europe and we don't need to be spending money for European defense.
I agree with you. The United States should have left when the Soviet Union collapsed.
They 2 will start ww3😮
you mean putin and kim?
The Western Empire falls
Can you stop the beating house music in the back ground, it is completely irritating.
The show must go on. Never mind the casualties.
Over 32 nation with everything but can't contain Russia.
Не будите русского медведя!
One voice and one view point what kind of debate... May feels good debate 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's not a debate. It's an interview...
@@KityKatKiller Jawohl!
33 Magic number
88
not exactly excited for America to send troops to Europe and defend them when for decades Europe was asleep and did not maintain some kind of credible defense.
you guys did this to yourself.
@@reneprovosty7032 I don't know anyone who will be sad to see the US leave European soil. And I know a lot of people.
@@Memovox there are many of us, that would be happy to do so. But would it be good for either of us?
How about Israel's strike in Gaza?
How about you stay on the topic, Rubot? 😂
Russia is all alone even USSR broke down then why are they expanding NATO?
Not expanding. Countries join NATO, because Russia would invade them otherwise.
Россия не одна, Россия с народом, и дух простого россиянина более чем героический!
NATO countries spend 3 times as much on arms as the rest of the world, China and Russia included.
Given that, it's hard to make a sale pitch for even more, but try they will.
Western Lives Matter
Russia can’t bully you anymore and Medvedev knows it!
А чего нас бояться, и когда это мы всех стращали? Мы за справедливость. За Мир!
Trump win mean peace on earth 😊
What about the European Countries and the U.S are they not Imperialist??....this guy in them brown shoes just talking rubbish.
Russia is not the Soviet Union and definitely not the Warsaw Pact. Compared to the EU, which has four times the population and ten times the economy of Russia, Russia cannot win a war even against the EU. NATO is even bigger.
Have you not learnt anything with this war .... Russia is not Iraq or Libya.... plus one thing that you should know is most countries are not with the west .. China. India. Saudis... and within nato you have Orban and Turkish president who could easily swing the other side...then you now left with Germany.France and maybe Poland
@@BhekimpiloSmanga True, and France could easily swing in a not so distant future. Let's not forget how France withdrew from NATOs integrated military command in 1966.
У нас дети 5 летние гимн поют..... Вы ещё не знаете наши скрытые резервы, наш потенциал безграничный! Наша Россия не только самая красивая, но ещё и нравственно чистоплотная!
1944?????????
😂 A panel of day dreamers 😂
now nato vs russia... next aukus-quad vs china...
Don't left out NATO.
Count in NATO too.
Poor palestine
what does israels war with palestine have to do with nato`?
US-Foreverwars Inc. on the march.
the same thing happened to people in GAZA too
Pushing false narratives, again?
hail nato
Bucha 2.0????
Speaking of, when will Kiev release the names of the victims and when will the West show an interest in an investigation?
Are u all talking about Israel blanket bombing
NATO - LOLs!
yet nato can beat any army or coalition on the planet so lol right back at you
Germany too had done war crime against juse and rassia 😂😂😂😂😂😂
🇭🇺👎🏼
What NATO have done so far to the world to celebrate 75 years . Yeah nice circus show 🎉
Why are you not asking "why was NATO and Europe so much safer with Donald Trump as President of the USA"?
yea, if not for USA military there would not be a nato ! EU & UK must pay up ! for more defense !
Don't be entitled and expect the Europeans to pay for your hegemony.
says the russian guy acting american 😂😂