Blood magic allows to control thoughts which Solas is against. Normal magic allows to massacre people which Solas is also against. Magic is just a tool and way it is used is all dependent on the user. Solas seems to be simply for personal responsibility.
If blood mages do not touch the fade when casting spells this may be why it is a taboo for the chantry. Since templars nullify magic by severing the connection to the fade through lyrium they cannot control mages who use blood magic. If this is true they will never allow the use of responsible blood magic.
@@egoobs4270 Theres several different codex entries and a novel i that talk about templar abilities. Templars use syper strong lyrium to connect to the fade as strongly as a mage to instead of change reality but to reinforce reality so mages cant change it.
They do sanction some blood magic when its convenient. Phylacteries are a type of blood magic which the templars are all too happy to use to track mages that escape the tower.
I actually reopened my Last Flight book after this video. The way I see it blood magic cast by Isseya caused the demons to be attracted to her and made them push against the veil in an effort to get to her. It was not "her" actually accessing the fade. I'm not sure where I saw it so don't quote me on this one, but I think it was mentioned that it's the suffering accompanying blood magic that actually acts as fuel and it is why demons are so attracted to it.Incidentally, we saw Mythal put the whoever drank from the Well of Sorrows under a geass and I'm fairly sure that wasn't blood magic. It's likely that all magic is capable of controlling minds, it's just that blood magic is the only one known for that to the people of the 9th age. Solas would probably know better and thus be unbiased to the use of either form of magic (at least so far as mind control is concerned).
Also, when it comes to blood magic preventing one to access the fade, my theory is that that applies to when one wishes their spirit to enter the fade. Blood magic allows one to do so physically as it tears the veil open(like the Magister Sidereal did). I'm not sure, however, how blood magic would be used to map the fade and enter other peoples dreams. Perhaps it allows one to choose the location of where they wish to enter the fade?
My theory is that blood magic is the closest thing to magic before the veil. Lyrium is titan's blood which has a connection to the veil. You could say both are technically bloodmagic. The difference being that drawing from reality makes it easier to reshape it rather than drawing through the fade. It makes sense as reality and the fade were once one. Magic is limited now as the fade is connected to imagination and feelings. Reality and the fade being one might actually make blood magic useless by comparison. We also know blood magic can be resisted through willpower alone. Maybe if fade and reality are as one it might be easier to resist even. Espacially through regular magic as no lyrium would be needed to match blood magic's power.
Know it is a long time ago you said this.. But I belief you are right Solas was the one said that if I remember correctly.. Solas said he personally avoids Blood Magic not for any moral qualms against it because "magic is magic" but instead because it attract hurts your connection to the fade and the fact it attracts demons causes a lot of spirits to avoid you.. I imagine why it hampers your connection to the fade is possibly because inherent protections that come with those spells to protect you against demons.. One of the biggest problem a blood mage faces is the demons which will innevitably haunt him/her day and night.. So why it might be cut off is to protect the user from the Demons lurking there.. Because after becoming a blood mage and going to the Fade those Demons are the only thing your going to find.. And that because Spirits will flee from you as soon as they sense you..
"I will not get into Lyrium right now because I value my relative sanity" Yea... The Descent dlc really gave the lore a new depth. Love the vid. Also Got a chuckle out of "science of blood magic" because magic is just a science we don't yet understand
I primarily only use blood magic if I'm either low or out of Mana just so I can keep casting spells from the approved Schools of Magic the Circle teaches you. I only very rarely use blood magic to control enemies that surround or surprise attack in packs like Genlock Rogues, Shrieks, Child bug things from Awakening, darkspawn grunts, etc. In that particular situation, I don't see any problem with it because it's to help you survive the encounter!
This makes me think on how I used a Blood Mage in Dragon Age: Origins, where I often used it to use Spells beyond the number limit of the Mana bar. Maybe it's that like many other things within Dragon Age story-setting, my people/characters just don't really know the true specific mechanics of how Magic and Spells are fueled, and there is a huge bias against Blood Magic which precludes the thought process of seeing it as the 'foundation' for how a Mage casts normally. Likely we will learn more about the "true" lore of Blood Magic when the Tevinter Dragon Age comes out, as Tevinter is the hotbed for Blood Magic. I'm also reminded of something Solas said when talking about Lyrium: "It is the Source of All Magic, apart from what Mages bring themselves", being to mind that he comes from an era or environment where everyone was a Mage when the Veil was not invented. From what I remember on how Templars function, I think it's implied that the Fade is the Medium for creating the effects and powers of Magic, not the actual Fuel; maybe the Fade is like a metaphysical muscle or third eye that needs to be "opened" or excised, but not the fuel. If you think about it, most threat that "originate" from the Fade are actually uncontrolled mages and rampant/roaming spirits/demons and their wisps, not the Fade itself mostly (the Breach is a little different in it's more like a Flood in how reshapes the environment, e.i. rocks are floating but they don't without the fade; a second gravity field maybe?) I feel like a was more making random relevant statements and sentence-theories, instead of something singular and solid. At the very least this should help making sense of this foggy and wiggly part of the Dragon Age story-lore.
maybe all mages use blood magic but as there power sores (mana) and Lyrium make the blood stronger, then the effects of what it dose come from the fade. then the mages that use real blood magic do not pull the effects of the spell form the fade but there blood it self
Blood is easily accessible and incredibly powerful. The power corrupts you over time and makes you even more attractive to demons when casting any type of spell. When you get too reckless and hungry for might it will be harder and harder to differentiate between your thoughts and the demonic ones.
Ooh quick note! Ceilan is not a Grey Warden, he worked with the Wardens, but he was an Antivan Crow working within the royal court of Antiva when the 4th Blight hit. He joined the cause, but did not go through the Joining.
I love the images and transitions! And Cullen's look! Bawhahaha! This is such a visually deep video. And blood magic is such a weird one! I hope the inconsistencies are ironed out in DA4.
There is a difference between Blood Magic and Blood "Magic". Blood "Magic" are spell exclusive to Blood Magic and this is were all the Hate comes from. In its purest form Blood Magic is just a different source of power than either Lyrium or the fade.
I've got so many questions about blood magic! If lyrium is Titan's blood, aren't all mages blood mages? Does it make a difference if the mage uses elf blood, dwarf blood, animal blood ( we know dragon blood is powerfull right? I remember there is something going on with Calenhad and Maric)? Could this be why the tevintides and magisters enslaved the elves? Does it work with tranquil blood?
WardenVakarian They do say that there's more magic in elven blood, so that is more effective for blood magic. I don't know about animal blood, but I'm pretty sure dragon blood is also very powerful. As for the lyrium question, I'll get into that in my lyrium episode. I personally don't think it is blood magic. I guess it depends on how you want to define blood magic, though. Also, love your name XD
Really? It felt obvious that elven blood was more powerful because of their history but I don't remember reading it anywhere, I guess I'll just have to play the three games one more time ^^. I don't know about animal either, but since we haven't seen any using magic I think animal blood doesn't contain any magic... I was just trying to say that there are so many different types of blood there's got to be some differences. If we know for sure that elven blood and dragon blood have more magic, I definitely want to see more saarebas in DA4. If the common theory about qunaris/kossith is true (I think and hope it is), qunari blood magic must be incredibly powerful! It's getting complicated, Bioware should introduce midichlorians so we can measure magic and put bloods on a scale XD. Lyrium is so mysterious, there is so much we don't know , good luck with this episode, the amount of work must be huge! I'll watch it for sure. Oh thank you! I always thought Garrus would be a grey warden if he was in DA. Because of the color and he's an amazing warrior, he understands that sometimes you have to do wathever it takes to save people, he's not perfect but he's good-hearted, he hates politics and blue suits him well. (But frankly I just put together my two favorite characters in DA and ME XD)
It's also said that blight magic has no connection with the fade. I'm my mind I've always seen these 2 off shoots of magic as drawing from the same source. If you think that's the old gods themselves or the power of blood or the world Idk. But I feel there some connection between blood and blight magic as the only 2 ways we know of to use magic without the fade.
Blood magic is a thing by itself. It comes from the being that uses it. You don't draw from anotger force to use this magic. Blight magic comes from the corrupted old gods and the first tevinter magisters.
There's the Fade, and there's the Abyss which is not quite the same. The way I see it, is that the fade is all around us ... sort of. Think of the Fade as a house, and inside this house there is different rooms. The living room is like the living world ( The Mortal realms ) . Up stairs could be heaven ( The Golden City ) , and downstairs is The Abyssal hellish ( The Black City ). I think that Blood Magic is derived from the Abyss, where as regular magic is from ... somewhere else. In Inquisition we can close rifts all around us, and the massive breach is in the sky, But when we fall, we open a rift pointing downward. So , we actually fall in the Abbys, hence " Here Lies The Abyss " quest. Also, it would appear the Old Gods ( Forbidden Ones ) were trapped in the Abyss. They have reached out, in dreams, how to use blood magic because they wanted to escape ( can't say I blame them ) . The Magister believed that they were entering the Golden City, but they were deceived. With so much blood magic all they opened was the Abyss ( Black City ), thus releasing the blight. Unfortunately for the Old Gods, on there escape from the Abyss, they found themselves trapped again deep underneath the earth. The darkness reaches out to them, spawning creatures out of the abyss. One does not simply outwit the blight.
He thought he did “ we sought the Golden City, the light, but it was darkened “ . They were deceived. If I remember correctly didn’t Cory say that the darkness was already there, that they were not the ones to start the blight like the chantry says.
"Beg that I succeed for I have seen the throne of the gods and it was empty". Corypheus tells Inquisitor. He also said "The City. It was supposed to be golden. It was supposed to be ours." The Chantry believes that the Sideral corrupted the Golden City, but Cory says that it was already corrupted when he got there. Who to believe? I'm not sure if there is two city's. If Bioware refers these City's as metaphors where one is Salvation, and the other is Damnation. Then no mortal would be permitted to enter the Golden. If the Golden City was once the temple of the old Gods, and got ... cast in the Fade then there is only one city, and it lays dark and empty in the Abyss. I'm not to sure what point I'm making ... Umm... Either way, there is a City in the Abyss, and the Abyss if a part of the Fade, but not the Fade.
I dont think its contradictory about blood magic making it harder to access the fade or use fade magic. I think its more of a "you'll always need blood magic in order to" kind of situation rather than, "you cant access it at all" like it cuts you out from normal flows of magic, requiring you to need blood to do it instead. at least, thats how i took it.
Blood magic could be said as a counter effect of lyrium, which is weakening your connection to the fade. But have you considered that the veil is the problem? The veil acts a barrier to separate thedas and the fade. Magic flows from the fade to thedas through a mage of a tear in the veil. To use magic, a mage draw power from the fade through the veil but if you use blood magic, you only draw power from the blood itself not the fade. It is the raw power of a creature's life force. In DA2, 1 health equals to 2 mana when you use blood magic mode.
Paused 6:14 maybe the controdictions is due chantry and circle of magic, we all know their knowlage about the stuff is pretty off/wrong, and the codexes, most of them are paste on their knowlage maybe?
"You can have liquor but you're not allowed to drink it" is an incorrect analogy. You may have liquor, but you can't drink it if you're underaged. Blood magic CAN be used to for mind control, but its not outright meant for only mind control. Solas speaks of moderation and self control.
You can't purchase liquor underage. And my point is that if you give everyone free reign to a mind-control device, it's not realistic to expect everyone to just not use mind control, no matter its other uses.
In Dragon Age 2, if Hawke is not a mage, Bethany will remark on Merrill's use of blood magic, saying, "I felt the veil shift, did you summon something?" This suggests that blood magic may affect the veil, possibly weakening it, thus allowing demons or spirits to enter reality more easily. The primary depiction of blood mages in the game is their ability to summon demons into reality. We have not seen other forms of magic described as weakening the veil during spellcasting. In areas where the veil is thin, such as among the Avvar tribe, spirits frequently appear in reality. Therefore, while normal magic taps into the Fade and harnesses its power, blood magic seems to thin the veil, attracting demons and enabling their control. So my conclusion is, blood magic doesn't touch the fade, it just weaken the veil. Also, the sky burial in the Avver tribe does seemed blood magic.
"its not ok to control or read peoples minds but it is ok to set them on fire, freeze them solid, electrocute them, cripple them, strike them with horrible miladies that hinder them physically, and make them and their friends explode tho" ~rules on the use of magic
@@TheKingdomEntertainment i disagree, while readings someones mind is a more discreet and personal method of information gathering and invasion of privacy regular magic is quite an excellent information gathering tool (people tend to talk alot when you threaten to trap them in a literal waking nightmare) and controlling someone with blood magic is just cutting out the middle man of using direct threats like saying you will literally absorb their life force. magic including blood magic and mind affecting magic is like a sword, when wielded properly it can used to slay the wicked and protect the righteous but when wielded for evil intentions it can be used for malicious purposes. it all depends on the person wielding it
But there are a few mind alteri g spells that don't require any bloodmagic throughout the game. I'm with Solas on this one, especially since it seems fairly easy to procure black market lyrium and is way more discreet than leaving a trail of bodies behind.
All magic is blood magic. Although, I doubt is contradictory, i think is more about world building, as in people have different opinions through regions and history on certain concepts, some may hold diferent beliefs and knowledge others don't and likewise.
Not to mention that we've only been in the South of Thedas. You know lands ruled and operated by a religion and it's militant sub-factions who're entirely Anti-Magic at the core of their ideals and morals. Who were founded during an armed rebellion against an (apperently) Tyrannical Magi-Lead Dictatorship/Empire. I'm pretty sure this would lead to their entire society wanting nothing to do with Magic at least and extremely hostile to it at most. Both happened in fact they imprisoned children, raped women, murdered men who were Magi during "peacetime"! While during warfare they forced conscription of them (Don't even doubt they did so to leave them to die as expendable forces while being hypocritical using them as weapons! Meaning they actively admit Magi can be useful and beneficial to society at large!) and last but not least committed mass genocides against them for PERCEIVED threats from them! So of course there wouldn't be any form of oversight or protection for the accurate and unbiased study of Magic as a whole academic research. So in otherwords the Chantry itself in lore *IS* a direct contradiction in it of itself! So yes it's most certainly all about perspective and "opinions"!
Its been said mulitiple times that blood magic does what Lyrium does, which means blood is essentially lyrium. Both draw on the fade. Yes some people use other peoples blood but if lyrium is Titan blood, how much better is it? The main scary aspect of it when you use the blood of an unwilling subject but you have your own blood..Taking someone elses seems the same as using basic magic to incinerate an unwiling recipient or to coherce with force. Misapplication does not justify prohibition as it makes the only users criminals already. Like Solas I never use blood magic but for me its because I need my blood if I want to be an Arcane Warrior but I definitly see it as a tool with no inherent harm. Surprised Solas believes blight magic to be the same. Both The Architect and Corypheus both seem quite logical. The Architect and several of his Disciples were even peaceful. Then again they do unintentionally harm the enviromemt with thier mere prescence so maybe Solas had a point.
That assumes lyrium is *literally* Titan's blood. And lyrium strengthens a mages connection to the Fade. Blood magic is shaped independently from the Fade. And the reason blood magic has so much stigma is that it can be used to control minds. Mages are not known to be able to do that with lyrium.
You haven’t done one about the seekers of truth Templar order lord seeker knight commander Templar yet or any history related to these groups yet I’m looking forward to it when you do you did a great job on this one
>t's more like saying you have a gun, but you aren't allowed to kill people with it, in reference to your liquor analogy. And the reason blood magic works is the inherent life force that we all carry. Blood, both in games and in real life, has always been regarded as a massive source of magical energy because it is the source of life, in a sense. And what more powerful substance is there than life?
Well... it's weird. Templars gain their abilities from lyrium. So it kind of IS like mana. It's like, if stamina is a reserve of energy you draw from for physical acts, and mana is a pool of energy you draw from for magical abilities, then technically yeah, it's mana. It might not be called that for templars, but it's ultimately another form of energy they are drawing from that isn't stamina
4:25 and some argu that ots evil, but i dont agree, but there are issues u already mentioned and propably mention more, but in other words its dangerous weapon, more so then normal magic Some1 said evil even about necromancy, but listening the trainer i cant see the issue, but it depends how its used, so u could do next vid about necromacy
its a bioware game where being a "true neutral" character is impossible i tried to let branka fire up the ol anvil o da void, cause....im a grey warden...its a terminal disease....why not cook up a couple hundred golems made out of all of the people I had to kill for bullshit reasons but no.,,,you cant keep it
He’s not just saying you can have liquor and can’t drink it he’s saying you can have the liquor drink it too but if you every get drunk your a terrible person
I kind of hesitant to talk about blood magic. But well here I go. All of blood magic topic in Dragon age is probably the worst thing out aspect of the world of Thedas. In origins it was a mysterious form of art left up to the player to decipher. It was a brutal form of magic used by arrogant foolish ancient Tevinter. This magic was used to invade the seat of the maker period. Then as the series went on the mystery behind it the shroud of evil that made it special was explained and explained it our heads would spin. It should have been left a mystery somehow. Now Thedas has never been a rational world. But wouldn't you thin that Tevinter would have made it a citizens duty to give to the magical blood bank therefore people's lives would be protected and the renewal able resources of blood would be ever flowing. Blood is a renewable resource where lyrium is a pain in the butt to mine. Just saying. But this is Thedas and I love the silliness the Barbaric way of trying to solve problems and above all the habitants ever insatiable need to latch on to believes run by madman. It's fun and isn't meant to be looked at too closely. Great video love your channel.
eva magnusson Hm...I could see ancient Tevinter enforcing some kind of "yearly/monthly blood tax." That's actually a practical idea. Compared to regularly sacrificing slaves, anyway. I kind of like that idea. Maybe they were just stupid? XD
a whole episode on blood magic & no mention of Merrill? D: with the "right" Hawke, Merrill is THE most responsible mage in DA2: she does not have Chantry biases like Anders does and sees ALL spirits as dangerous (just as all MAGIC is dangerous) and treats them accordingly (except for in Feynriel's questline but, supposedly, THOSE demons were lore-wise OP because all the demons wanted Dibs yet we only encountered 3 so these demons probs edged out the competition); she NEVER takes blood without consent; she uses blood as she would lyrium (lore-wise, there is a Hard Limit as to how much lyrium is Safe for a mage to take at any one time); and, most tellingly, she uses BLOOD MAGIC in KIRKWALL for at least a DECADE without any issues (Feynriel dream aside). I would argue that Merrill would easily have restored the eluvian without freeing her demon-assistant or hurting anyone (other than herself...) if Marethari had JUST SUPPORTED HER?? INSTEAD MARETHARI WENT AND GOT TRICKED INTO BEING AN ABOMINATION LIKE A RANK-AMATEUR??? i just... Merrill?? (btw, if ANYONE should have been the "eluvian expert" in DA:I it SHOULD have been Merrill: Morrigan could have been at Skyhold for other reasons or worked alongside her... it felt really cheap & cultural-appropriate-y that human!Morrigan got to be all "elven magicks master" instead of someone ACTUALLY ELVEN? heck, they should have sent Morrigan to Skyhold with BRIALA even as Varric had already brought in Daisy? but, alas, Orlesian Ball ate the time instead... (literally: the timer stressed me out & prevented me from adequately invading everyone's privacy).
I agree Merrill was a very responsible blood mage. Although, about the eluvian, she still would have been possessed as soon as she finished it with the demon. Now, Marethari could have handled it a lot better, but I think she was right that Merrill should have left it alone. And I think Merrill would not have made a good eluvian expert because, let's be honest, she had virtually no idea what she was doing. Morrigan had been working with them since Witch Hunt. Merrill never even got hers to work.
@@TheKingdomEntertainment if your DA2 world state had Hawke help Merrill with the eluvian, in Tresspasser you can see it in the Crossroads. :) tbh, I don't think Morrigan DID know much of the eluvians? she likely knew bits from cryptic stories her mother told her but Morrigan's "expertise" probably came from Briala. even if Morrigan genuinely learned of eluvians via Flemeth, it still feels... cheap? compared to Merrill going through every Dalish keeper who'd share info, delving deeply into lore to discern fact from metaphor, and years of hands-on study. Merrill's approach felt like that of a student working on their doctorate by restoring an ancient artefact; Morrigan just... had a working one at hand? and/or an old god mother who had prepped it in advance (in the DA:O DLC) and Morrigan went through her "grimoire" , i guess? props to Morrigan for her cunning and quick thinking but her knowledge never felt "earned" so much as "inherited" in a trust-fund way? it's why the consequences of her drinking from The Well were so satisfying for me? guh. i swear i like Morrigan but i see her as an opportunistic "ooh shiny/useful!" corvid-type rather than the Dagna/Merrill/Wade "MY LIFE'S PASSION & WORK"... uh, penguin(?)-type. EDIT: no rebuttal to whatever end Merrill contracted with her demon other than... she probably would have loophole'd out because "i did all this work to share the knowledge with my people: i cannot do that if i am dead" using some Dread Wolf myth as the basis for it? possibly? /am in Act3 of a DA2 replay atm so i may backpedal WILDLY upon finishing it up again.
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Blood magic allows to control thoughts which Solas is against.
Normal magic allows to massacre people which Solas is also against.
Magic is just a tool and way it is used is all dependent on the user. Solas seems to be simply for personal responsibility.
If blood mages do not touch the fade when casting spells this may be why it is a taboo for the chantry. Since templars nullify magic by severing the connection to the fade through lyrium they cannot control mages who use blood magic. If this is true they will never allow the use of responsible blood magic.
Don't they stop magic by enforcing stasis on an area in which a Mage tries to enforce change?
They dont Severe their connection to the fade Cullen Proves that templars can dream thus being connected to the Fade
@@Tokahontes isn’t that only because of the lyrium withdrawl or is there another dialogue abt it
@@egoobs4270 Theres several different codex entries and a novel i that talk about templar abilities. Templars use syper strong lyrium to connect to the fade as strongly as a mage to instead of change reality but to reinforce reality so mages cant change it.
They do sanction some blood magic when its convenient. Phylacteries are a type of blood magic which the templars are all too happy to use to track mages that escape the tower.
I actually reopened my Last Flight book after this video. The way I see it blood magic cast by Isseya caused the demons to be attracted to her and made them push against the veil in an effort to get to her. It was not "her" actually accessing the fade. I'm not sure where I saw it so don't quote me on this one, but I think it was mentioned that it's the suffering accompanying blood magic that actually acts as fuel and it is why demons are so attracted to it.Incidentally, we saw Mythal put the whoever drank from the Well of Sorrows under a geass and I'm fairly sure that wasn't blood magic. It's likely that all magic is capable of controlling minds, it's just that blood magic is the only one known for that to the people of the 9th age. Solas would probably know better and thus be unbiased to the use of either form of magic (at least so far as mind control is concerned).
Also, when it comes to blood magic preventing one to access the fade, my theory is that that applies to when one wishes their spirit to enter the fade. Blood magic allows one to do so physically as it tears the veil open(like the Magister Sidereal did). I'm not sure, however, how blood magic would be used to map the fade and enter other peoples dreams. Perhaps it allows one to choose the location of where they wish to enter the fade?
My theory is that blood magic is the closest thing to magic before the veil.
Lyrium is titan's blood which has a connection to the veil. You could say both are technically bloodmagic. The difference being that drawing from reality makes it easier to reshape it rather than drawing through the fade.
It makes sense as reality and the fade were once one. Magic is limited now as the fade is connected to imagination and feelings. Reality and the fade being one might actually make blood magic useless by comparison.
We also know blood magic can be resisted through willpower alone. Maybe if fade and reality are as one it might be easier to resist even. Espacially through regular magic as no lyrium would be needed to match blood magic's power.
Know it is a long time ago you said this.. But I belief you are right
Solas was the one said that if I remember correctly.. Solas said he personally avoids Blood Magic not for any moral qualms against it because "magic is magic" but instead because it attract hurts your connection to the fade and the fact it attracts demons causes a lot of spirits to avoid you..
I imagine why it hampers your connection to the fade is possibly because inherent protections that come with those spells to protect you against demons.. One of the biggest problem a blood mage faces is the demons which will innevitably haunt him/her day and night..
So why it might be cut off is to protect the user from the Demons lurking there.. Because after becoming a blood mage and going to the Fade those Demons are the only thing your going to find.. And that because Spirits will flee from you as soon as they sense you..
I will play a bloodmage in da4. Sue me.
@@JingleBaza holy shit i didnt know i need to go unlock that
@@JingleBaza wait is that true ???
@@preguicadetu i think it is blood control spell
@@anders8461 thank you
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"I will not get into Lyrium right now because I value my relative sanity" Yea... The Descent dlc really gave the lore a new depth. Love the vid. Also Got a chuckle out of "science of blood magic" because magic is just a science we don't yet understand
I primarily only use blood magic if I'm either low or out of Mana just so I can keep casting spells from the approved Schools of Magic the Circle teaches you.
I only very rarely use blood magic to control enemies that surround or surprise attack in packs like Genlock Rogues, Shrieks, Child bug things from Awakening, darkspawn grunts, etc. In that particular situation, I don't see any problem with it because it's to help you survive the encounter!
This makes me think on how I used a Blood Mage in Dragon Age: Origins, where I often used it to use Spells beyond the number limit of the Mana bar.
Maybe it's that like many other things within Dragon Age story-setting, my people/characters just don't really know the true specific mechanics of how Magic and Spells are fueled, and there is a huge bias against Blood Magic which precludes the thought process of seeing it as the 'foundation' for how a Mage casts normally. Likely we will learn more about the "true" lore of Blood Magic when the Tevinter Dragon Age comes out, as Tevinter is the hotbed for Blood Magic.
I'm also reminded of something Solas said when talking about Lyrium: "It is the Source of All Magic, apart from what Mages bring themselves", being to mind that he comes from an era or environment where everyone was a Mage when the Veil was not invented. From what I remember on how Templars function, I think it's implied that the Fade is the Medium for creating the effects and powers of Magic, not the actual Fuel; maybe the Fade is like a metaphysical muscle or third eye that needs to be "opened" or excised, but not the fuel. If you think about it, most threat that "originate" from the Fade are actually uncontrolled mages and rampant/roaming spirits/demons and their wisps, not the Fade itself mostly (the Breach is a little different in it's more like a Flood in how reshapes the environment, e.i. rocks are floating but they don't without the fade; a second gravity field maybe?)
I feel like a was more making random relevant statements and sentence-theories, instead of something singular and solid. At the very least this should help making sense of this foggy and wiggly part of the Dragon Age story-lore.
maybe all mages use blood magic but as there power sores (mana) and Lyrium make the blood stronger, then the effects of what it dose come from the fade. then the mages that use real blood magic do not pull the effects of the spell form the fade but there blood it self
"All magic can be use, and all magic could be corrupted"
Blood is easily accessible and incredibly powerful. The power corrupts you over time and makes you even more attractive to demons when casting any type of spell. When you get too reckless and hungry for might it will be harder and harder to differentiate between your thoughts and the demonic ones.
Ooh quick note! Ceilan is not a Grey Warden, he worked with the Wardens, but he was an Antivan Crow working within the royal court of Antiva when the 4th Blight hit. He joined the cause, but did not go through the Joining.
Weird thought: blood and lyrium as magic lubricant, somehow protecting the body/mage from the intense amounts of magic passing through...
I love the images and transitions! And Cullen's look! Bawhahaha! This is such a visually deep video. And blood magic is such a weird one! I hope the inconsistencies are ironed out in DA4.
There is a difference between Blood Magic and Blood "Magic". Blood "Magic" are spell exclusive to Blood Magic and this is were all the Hate comes from. In its purest form Blood Magic is just a different source of power than either Lyrium or the fade.
I imagine some spells are exclusive to blood magic, especially with how much was known about magic around the time of Arlathan
Solas gets it that in the end magic is magic a tool nothing more nothing less and everybody should use it as they so fit
Also characters could also could be lying/wrong about some things
I've got so many questions about blood magic!
If lyrium is Titan's blood, aren't all mages blood mages?
Does it make a difference if the mage uses elf blood, dwarf blood, animal blood ( we know dragon blood is powerfull right? I remember there is something going on with Calenhad and Maric)?
Could this be why the tevintides and magisters enslaved the elves?
Does it work with tranquil blood?
WardenVakarian They do say that there's more magic in elven blood, so that is more effective for blood magic. I don't know about animal blood, but I'm pretty sure dragon blood is also very powerful.
As for the lyrium question, I'll get into that in my lyrium episode. I personally don't think it is blood magic. I guess it depends on how you want to define blood magic, though.
Also, love your name XD
Really? It felt obvious that elven blood was more powerful because of their history but I don't remember reading it anywhere, I guess I'll just have to play the three games one more time ^^.
I don't know about animal either, but since we haven't seen any using magic I think animal blood doesn't contain any magic... I was just trying to say that there are so many different types of blood there's got to be some differences.
If we know for sure that elven blood and dragon blood have more magic, I definitely want to see more saarebas in DA4. If the common theory about qunaris/kossith is true (I think and hope it is), qunari blood magic must be incredibly powerful!
It's getting complicated, Bioware should introduce midichlorians so we can measure magic and put bloods on a scale XD.
Lyrium is so mysterious, there is so much we don't know , good luck with this episode, the amount of work must be huge! I'll watch it for sure.
Oh thank you! I always thought Garrus would be a grey warden if he was in DA. Because of the color and he's an amazing warrior, he understands that sometimes you have to do wathever it takes to save people, he's not perfect but he's good-hearted, he hates politics and blue suits him well. (But frankly I just put together my two favorite characters in DA and ME XD)
It's also said that blight magic has no connection with the fade. I'm my mind I've always seen these 2 off shoots of magic as drawing from the same source. If you think that's the old gods themselves or the power of blood or the world Idk. But I feel there some connection between blood and blight magic as the only 2 ways we know of to use magic without the fade.
Blood magic is a thing by itself. It comes from the being that uses it. You don't draw from anotger force to use this magic.
Blight magic comes from the corrupted old gods and the first tevinter magisters.
There's the Fade, and there's the Abyss which is not quite the same. The way I see it, is that the fade is all around us ... sort of. Think of the Fade as a house, and inside this house there is different rooms. The living room is like the living world ( The Mortal realms ) . Up stairs could be heaven ( The Golden City ) , and downstairs is The Abyssal hellish ( The Black City ). I think that Blood Magic is derived from the Abyss, where as regular magic is from ... somewhere else.
In Inquisition we can close rifts all around us, and the massive breach is in the sky, But when we fall, we open a rift pointing downward. So , we actually fall in the Abbys, hence " Here Lies The Abyss " quest.
Also, it would appear the Old Gods ( Forbidden Ones ) were trapped in the Abyss. They have reached out, in dreams, how to use blood magic because they wanted to escape ( can't say I blame them ) . The Magister believed that they were entering the Golden City, but they were deceived. With so much blood magic all they opened was the Abyss ( Black City ), thus releasing the blight.
Unfortunately for the Old Gods, on there escape from the Abyss, they found themselves trapped again deep underneath the earth. The darkness reaches out to them, spawning creatures out of the abyss. One does not simply outwit the blight.
matt richard interesting theory. So ur saying the black city and golden city are separate places instead one and the same?
But didn’t corypheus say he went to the golden city?
He thought he did “ we sought the Golden City, the light, but it was darkened “ . They were deceived. If I remember correctly didn’t Cory say that the darkness was already there, that they were not the ones to start the blight like the chantry says.
matt richard no what Cory had said was the the seat was empty as in the maker’s throne
"Beg that I succeed for I have seen the throne of the gods and it was empty". Corypheus tells Inquisitor.
He also said "The City. It was supposed to be golden. It was supposed to be ours."
The Chantry believes that the Sideral corrupted the Golden City, but Cory says that it was already corrupted when he got there. Who to believe?
I'm not sure if there is two city's. If Bioware refers these City's as metaphors where one is Salvation, and the other is Damnation. Then no mortal would be permitted to enter the Golden.
If the Golden City was once the temple of the old Gods, and got ... cast in the Fade then there is only one city, and it lays dark and empty in the Abyss.
I'm not to sure what point I'm making ... Umm... Either way, there is a City in the Abyss, and the Abyss if a part of the Fade, but not the Fade.
I dont think its contradictory about blood magic making it harder to access the fade or use fade magic.
I think its more of a "you'll always need blood magic in order to" kind of situation rather than, "you cant access it at all"
like it cuts you out from normal flows of magic, requiring you to need blood to do it instead.
at least, thats how i took it.
Blood magic could be said as a counter effect of lyrium, which is weakening your connection to the fade. But have you considered that the veil is the problem? The veil acts a barrier to separate thedas and the fade. Magic flows from the fade to thedas through a mage of a tear in the veil. To use magic, a mage draw power from the fade through the veil but if you use blood magic, you only draw power from the blood itself not the fade. It is the raw power of a creature's life force. In DA2, 1 health equals to 2 mana when you use blood magic mode.
Paused 6:14 maybe the controdictions is due chantry and circle of magic, we all know their knowlage about the stuff is pretty off/wrong, and the codexes, most of them are paste on their knowlage maybe?
"You can have liquor but you're not allowed to drink it" is an incorrect analogy.
You may have liquor, but you can't drink it if you're underaged.
Blood magic CAN be used to for mind control, but its not outright meant for only mind control. Solas speaks of moderation and self control.
You can't purchase liquor underage.
And my point is that if you give everyone free reign to a mind-control device, it's not realistic to expect everyone to just not use mind control, no matter its other uses.
In Dragon Age 2, if Hawke is not a mage, Bethany will remark on Merrill's use of blood magic, saying, "I felt the veil shift, did you summon something?" This suggests that blood magic may affect the veil, possibly weakening it, thus allowing demons or spirits to enter reality more easily. The primary depiction of blood mages in the game is their ability to summon demons into reality. We have not seen other forms of magic described as weakening the veil during spellcasting. In areas where the veil is thin, such as among the Avvar tribe, spirits frequently appear in reality. Therefore, while normal magic taps into the Fade and harnesses its power, blood magic seems to thin the veil, attracting demons and enabling their control. So my conclusion is, blood magic doesn't touch the fade, it just weaken the veil. Also, the sky burial in the Avver tribe does seemed blood magic.
Based on what we've seen of magic, blood magic and demon possessions, especially in Origins, the world should be ending like once a week.
"its not ok to control or read peoples minds but it is ok to set them on fire, freeze them solid, electrocute them, cripple them, strike them with horrible miladies that hinder them physically, and make them and their friends explode tho" ~rules on the use of magic
Invading someone's thoughts or controlling them *is* significantly worse than inflicting physical harm, I think.
@@TheKingdomEntertainment i disagree, while readings someones mind is a more discreet and personal method of information gathering and invasion of privacy regular magic is quite an excellent information gathering tool (people tend to talk alot when you threaten to trap them in a literal waking nightmare) and controlling someone with blood magic is just cutting out the middle man of using direct threats like saying you will literally absorb their life force. magic including blood magic and mind affecting magic is like a sword, when wielded properly it can used to slay the wicked and protect the righteous but when wielded for evil intentions it can be used for malicious purposes. it all depends on the person wielding it
As my man Zevran once said, "Magic can kill. Knives can kill. Even small children thrown at great speeds could kill."
But there are a few mind alteri g spells that don't require any bloodmagic throughout the game. I'm with Solas on this one, especially since it seems fairly easy to procure black market lyrium and is way more discreet than leaving a trail of bodies behind.
All magic is blood magic.
Although, I doubt is contradictory, i think is more about world building, as in people have different opinions through regions and history on certain concepts, some may hold diferent beliefs and knowledge others don't and likewise.
Not to mention that we've only been in the South of Thedas. You know lands ruled and operated by a religion and it's militant sub-factions who're entirely Anti-Magic at the core of their ideals and morals. Who were founded during an armed rebellion against an (apperently) Tyrannical Magi-Lead Dictatorship/Empire.
I'm pretty sure this would lead to their entire society wanting nothing to do with Magic at least and extremely hostile to it at most.
Both happened in fact they imprisoned children, raped women, murdered men who were Magi during "peacetime"! While during warfare they forced conscription of them (Don't even doubt they did so to leave them to die as expendable forces while being hypocritical using them as weapons! Meaning they actively admit Magi can be useful and beneficial to society at large!) and last but not least committed mass genocides against them for PERCEIVED threats from them!
So of course there wouldn't be any form of oversight or protection for the accurate and unbiased study of Magic as a whole academic research.
So in otherwords the Chantry itself in lore *IS* a direct contradiction in it of itself! So yes it's most certainly all about perspective and "opinions"!
It would have been cool if there was a blood mage specialization tree
Its been said mulitiple times that blood magic does what Lyrium does, which means blood is essentially lyrium. Both draw on the fade. Yes some people use other peoples blood but if lyrium is Titan blood, how much better is it? The main scary aspect of it when you use the blood of an unwilling subject but you have your own blood..Taking someone elses seems the same as using basic magic to incinerate an unwiling recipient or to coherce with force. Misapplication does not justify prohibition as it makes the only users criminals already. Like Solas I never use blood magic but for me its because I need my blood if I want to be an Arcane Warrior but I definitly see it as a tool with no inherent harm. Surprised Solas believes blight magic to be the same. Both The Architect and Corypheus both seem quite logical. The Architect and several of his Disciples were even peaceful. Then again they do unintentionally harm the enviromemt with thier mere prescence so maybe Solas had a point.
That assumes lyrium is *literally* Titan's blood.
And lyrium strengthens a mages connection to the Fade. Blood magic is shaped independently from the Fade.
And the reason blood magic has so much stigma is that it can be used to control minds. Mages are not known to be able to do that with lyrium.
Drinking is a waste of liquor. You should use it marinades and fuel instead.
You haven’t done one about the seekers of truth Templar order lord seeker knight commander Templar yet or any history related to these groups yet I’m looking forward to it when you do you did a great job on this one
Yea i agree despite all that it should not be allowed, but study it should
I mainly use bloodmagic as alternative way to cast spells Plus spells are more powerful if I remember correctly.
Do we actually know that the fade is limitless? Why would it be?
blood magic combining with high dragon op
>t's more like saying you have a gun, but you aren't allowed to kill people with it, in reference to your liquor analogy. And the reason blood magic works is the inherent life force that we all carry. Blood, both in games and in real life, has always been regarded as a massive source of magical energy because it is the source of life, in a sense. And what more powerful substance is there than life?
what are the templar skills then? they dont spend mana too
Well... it's weird. Templars gain their abilities from lyrium. So it kind of IS like mana. It's like, if stamina is a reserve of energy you draw from for physical acts, and mana is a pool of energy you draw from for magical abilities, then technically yeah, it's mana. It might not be called that for templars, but it's ultimately another form of energy they are drawing from that isn't stamina
All magic could be used for the wrong use honestly
4:25 and some argu that ots evil, but i dont agree, but there are issues u already mentioned and propably mention more, but in other words its dangerous weapon, more so then normal magic
Some1 said evil even about necromancy, but listening the trainer i cant see the issue, but it depends how its used, so u could do next vid about necromacy
its a bioware game
where being a "true neutral" character is impossible
i tried to let branka fire up the ol anvil o da void, cause....im a grey warden...its a terminal disease....why not cook up a couple hundred golems made out of all of the people I had to kill for bullshit reasons
but no.,,,you cant keep it
Played bloodmage since Origins and I will never not play one
He’s not just saying you can have liquor and can’t drink it he’s saying you can have the liquor drink it too but if you every get drunk your a terrible person
I kind of hesitant to talk about blood magic. But well here I go. All of blood magic topic in Dragon age is probably the worst thing out aspect of the world of Thedas. In origins it was a mysterious form of art left up to the player to decipher. It was a brutal form of magic used by arrogant foolish ancient Tevinter. This magic was used to invade the seat of the maker period. Then as the series went on the mystery behind it the shroud of evil that made it special was explained and explained it our heads would spin. It should have been left a mystery somehow. Now Thedas has never been a rational world. But wouldn't you thin that Tevinter would have made it a citizens duty to give to the magical blood bank therefore people's lives would be protected and the renewal able resources of blood would be ever flowing. Blood is a renewable resource where lyrium is a pain in the butt to mine. Just saying. But this is Thedas and I love the silliness the Barbaric way of trying to solve problems and above all the habitants ever insatiable need to latch on to believes run by madman. It's fun and isn't meant to be looked at too closely. Great video love your channel.
eva magnusson Hm...I could see ancient Tevinter enforcing some kind of "yearly/monthly blood tax." That's actually a practical idea. Compared to regularly sacrificing slaves, anyway. I kind of like that idea. Maybe they were just stupid? XD
a whole episode on blood magic & no mention of Merrill? D:
with the "right" Hawke, Merrill is THE most responsible mage in DA2: she does not have Chantry biases like Anders does and sees ALL spirits as dangerous (just as all MAGIC is dangerous) and treats them accordingly (except for in Feynriel's questline but, supposedly, THOSE demons were lore-wise OP because all the demons wanted Dibs yet we only encountered 3 so these demons probs edged out the competition); she NEVER takes blood without consent; she uses blood as she would lyrium (lore-wise, there is a Hard Limit as to how much lyrium is Safe for a mage to take at any one time); and, most tellingly, she uses BLOOD MAGIC in KIRKWALL for at least a DECADE without any issues (Feynriel dream aside).
I would argue that Merrill would easily have restored the eluvian without freeing her demon-assistant or hurting anyone (other than herself...) if Marethari had JUST SUPPORTED HER?? INSTEAD MARETHARI WENT AND GOT TRICKED INTO BEING AN ABOMINATION LIKE A RANK-AMATEUR???
i just... Merrill?? (btw, if ANYONE should have been the "eluvian expert" in DA:I it SHOULD have been Merrill: Morrigan could have been at Skyhold for other reasons or worked alongside her... it felt really cheap & cultural-appropriate-y that human!Morrigan got to be all "elven magicks master" instead of someone ACTUALLY ELVEN? heck, they should have sent Morrigan to Skyhold with BRIALA even as Varric had already brought in Daisy? but, alas, Orlesian Ball ate the time instead... (literally: the timer stressed me out & prevented me from adequately invading everyone's privacy).
I agree Merrill was a very responsible blood mage. Although, about the eluvian, she still would have been possessed as soon as she finished it with the demon. Now, Marethari could have handled it a lot better, but I think she was right that Merrill should have left it alone.
And I think Merrill would not have made a good eluvian expert because, let's be honest, she had virtually no idea what she was doing. Morrigan had been working with them since Witch Hunt. Merrill never even got hers to work.
@@TheKingdomEntertainment if your DA2 world state had Hawke help Merrill with the eluvian, in Tresspasser you can see it in the Crossroads. :)
tbh, I don't think Morrigan DID know much of the eluvians? she likely knew bits from cryptic stories her mother told her but Morrigan's "expertise" probably came from Briala. even if Morrigan genuinely learned of eluvians via Flemeth, it still feels... cheap? compared to Merrill going through every Dalish keeper who'd share info, delving deeply into lore to discern fact from metaphor, and years of hands-on study.
Merrill's approach felt like that of a student working on their doctorate by restoring an ancient artefact; Morrigan just... had a working one at hand? and/or an old god mother who had prepped it in advance (in the DA:O DLC) and Morrigan went through her "grimoire" , i guess?
props to Morrigan for her cunning and quick thinking but her knowledge never felt "earned" so much as "inherited" in a trust-fund way? it's why the consequences of her drinking from The Well were so satisfying for me?
guh. i swear i like Morrigan but i see her as an opportunistic "ooh shiny/useful!" corvid-type rather than the Dagna/Merrill/Wade "MY LIFE'S PASSION & WORK"... uh, penguin(?)-type.
EDIT: no rebuttal to whatever end Merrill contracted with her demon other than... she probably would have loophole'd out because "i did all this work to share the knowledge with my people: i cannot do that if i am dead" using some Dread Wolf myth as the basis for it? possibly? /am in Act3 of a DA2 replay atm so i may backpedal WILDLY upon finishing it up again.