I think the Bondi residents need to get used to the idea that they don't own the beach. They vastly underestimate the international tourist revenue for one - if the residents had sole access to the beach then most of the cafes and restaurants would have close and it'd become a backwater. A heavy rail tunnel to Bondi is the sensible option, with the only other being making a dedicated bus lane all the way from Bondi to the Junction and the city.
I don't know much about Sydney. But my point would be that when they bought in Bondi it was already a beach that people wanted to go to. I'm not sure why as last time I heard, it had a massive sewage issue, but then again I hear there aren't a lot of accessible beaches in Sydney and the traffic there is a disaster.
@@jayfielding1333at the same time its located in one of the richest areas of Australia. We're talking the 0.001%. this is part of why they don't want nor need lots of tourists. For similar reasons you don't hear about the other really good beaches in Sydney because the local residents don't want it to turn into Bondi and they're all extremely rich.
It's incredible that NIMBY's are often devoid of any kind of logic; to be afraid that "undesirables" would come to their neighborhood, as if they don't get there already; to complain about the horrendous traffic and then not want to do anything about it; and then to want to declare the beach for themselves only, as if the businesses in the area would be content with just the NIMBY customers. I'm sure they don't like the heavy traffic and packed buses themselves. Maybe all street improvements, parking improvements, etc should be deprioritized and remain unfunded unless concessions are made on transit improvements.
Oh yeah. It’s hilarious watching all the Porsche and Maserati driving at 15kph. They also have ensured through rich tantrums that the whole area to Watson’s bay has the worst roads, worst mobile reception and even still dumps raw sewage to the sea because the pump needed to push it over the hill to bondi treatment would be unsightly.
I worked on the design for the proposed extension from Bondi Junction to Bondi Beach (Civil engineer), in 1996. It was all ready to go, until the residents killed it
@@riceman78 no problem at all. It was all underground.The biggest issue at the time was going under, or over, the massive sewer pipe going to the treatment plant
@@Thebibs hopefully it is reserected. it seems crazy some local nimbys were allowed to block such a project because they don't want people coming to "their" suburb.
The rich Bondi residents don't want day trippers. They don't understand that Bondi Beach is a tourist icon. It is not for their exclusive use. The local businesses need the tourist dollars. The railway could be extended from Bondi station down to the beach. This would reduce congestion on Bondi Rd and limited parking at the beach area.
But... but... but... They are already having trouble keeping the riff-raff out of their nice suburb. Imagine what would happen if it was easier for them to get there. The place would be overrun with all sorts of unwashed plebs!
Same all over Australia except for Melbourne we all got rid of the trams and now want them back. This is a lesson for everybody using Google eventually we're going to want a real lives and entertainment back lol
@@pauliewalnuts6734 Of course the "official" reason was to replace trams with "gliding buses" - gliding buses, hahahaha! Allowing more space on the roads for cars was the real agenda though, as the NRMA lobbying against trams at the time made clear. Now the NRMA complains of Military Road (Lower North Shore) which was once a main tram route, being one of Sydney's most congested roads! You reap what you sow.
Light rail would be a great option - with the high density of the area running from the city down Oxford St to bondi Rd it would do the opposite of the NIMBY crowds fears, increasing pedestrian access.
Bondi Road is likely too steep, I think it reaches 8-9% at some places. On the old tram system, of which the Bondi via Bondi Junction line was one of the last lines to close in 1960 a year before the final lines to La Perouse and Maroubra closed, had to do a full sweeping arc into back streets then into a cutting (which was sold off in the 60-70s) to reach Campbell Parade. There are tram lines in Europe that go on steeper grades but you need more expensive specialist trams designed for it. I think it would be cheaper, more attractive for development and add more capacity to just extend the Eastern Suburbs line.
The Light Rail route going down Oxford Street would be a traffic disaster. Have a look at the impact on small retail shopping and restaurants down Anzac Parade in Kingsford and Kensington. Before construction started on this route through those two adjacent suburbs, pedestrian traffic from UNSW was flourishing, with students and locals frequenting the many restaurants and small businesses throughout the day and night. Drivers could usually find a spot to park close to where they wanted to go before they commenced construction. Once construction started, and even now it is impossible to park, as two and one half lanes have been excised to allow for the Light Rail. Over 90% of once thriving businesses that were there before have "gone to the wall". Oxford Street from Bondi Junction, through Woollahra and Paddington, down to Taylor Square and beyond would suffer a worse fate, as the road is narrower. The only viable solution is to extend the underground Metro from the Bondi Junction rail line, through to Bondi, Clovelly, Coogee, Randwick, Maroubra, Matraville, and finally linking up with the rail again at Mascot.
Rail to Bondi? Heavy Rail? Light Rail? YES! Both... Do the short extension as well as build out the Sydney Light Rail too... It's best to future proof and give people two ways of getting to and from the nation's most popular beach that unclogs the roads yet also attempts to reclaim them from cars too!
It's only the nation's most popular beach cos you made a TV show about it in terms of beaches there's plenty of them ,just as good in Adelaide or anywhere else in the country were you can actually get a car park there and you can actually see the sand cause there's not people everywhere
Going back to the 80's and early 90's, residents of The Shire wanted a ban on everyone from the western suburbs from entering their precious lily white skinned town. Unsurprising it's where white supremacists meet up for riots.
Thirty years ago, a friend and I decided to drive to Bondi Beach for dinner one Friday night. After spending well over an hour in heavy traffic driving up and down every street from North Bondi to Waverley looking for a parking spot, we gave up and went to Glebe instead. That was 30 years ago. Why the local residents and councils still (after decades) prefer to suffer constant choking traffic to public transport is beyond me.
@@suave-rider they can still and do still go to Bondi beach anyway you donkey, they just drive and clog up your roads too as a nice little bonus 😂 I see that money can’t buy brains 😂🤦🏻♂️
The easiest and least disruptive plan would be to extend the Heavy rail Bondi junction line underground to Bondi beach. One stop. One station. I’m no engineer so I don’t know how the drop in elevation and space requirements for train station and turnarounds would work. In any case, the opposition to the line from rusted on locals would be fierce as something deemed locally significant would need to be demolished and redeveloped.
The location I would suggest is under Campbell Parade and the existing above ground car park or under the playground of Bondi Beach Public School to account for that one time the carpark was buried by sand after a storm
I've started to see the phrase "induced demand" used as a negative against public transport - by those who seem to be unaware it refers to induced *road* use by adding extra roads. It doesn't have any meaning for public transport, which has by definition a far more elastic capacity than roads.
What’s more, induced demand actually makes public transit MORE attractive due to increased frequency allowing you to “turn up and go”. We only see this positive effect start to taper off when you can’t possibly pack the trains any closer, like in my hometown of Hong Kong.
And even then adding another parallel line or quad tracking doesn't have the diminishing returns road expansion has. And there are hardly any conditions that would overwhelm a quad tracked rapid transit line.
Many years ago, on my first trip to Sydney, I went to see the much lauded Bondi Beach and came away very disappointed. Nice beach but nothing special, unless you come from a place like England with its cold, windy rock covered coast. Believe me, you can find good beaches like this all over Australia. The best beach is the one close by. 😁
Everybody takes the piss out of Adelaide but there's nothing like sitting on the beach with the sun setting over the water with beaches just as nice. I remember in Queensland skyscrapers having shade across the beaches lol nothing special as you say
The point about Bondi is that it is a nice beach that hasn’t been ruined by overdevelopment within cooee of a global city’s CBD. There are few cities in the world who can boast that.
@@brontewcat You are right of course, but it's mainly huge cities, as Indeed Sydney is. They have done a good job in keeping some good beaches from being overdeveloped. Most Aussie cities have too, but others around the world have failed utterly. (I've seen a few) Maybe we are spoiled for choice, but I wouldn't have it any other way. 😎
@@freeman10000Not close to a major city CBD. Bondi is a pretty nice beach that one can pop down to after work in the CBD. That is what makes it special.
Like your personal experience, I too experienced overcrowding on the 333 bus when I transferred from Bondi Junction. It was a weekday on a sunny day, and the buses *both ways* was full. At the time of this comment, it's Saturday, and the weather is perfect for beach goers, but I can't imagine how many people will wait for the 333 today. In fact, if there is a safe, accessible bike route to the beach, I'd probably take it.
Bondi Road is likely too steep for light rail, I think it reaches 8-9% for sections. On the old tram system, of which the Bondi via Bondi Junction line was one of the last lines to close in 1960 a year before the final lines to La Perouse and Maroubra closed in 1961, the trams had to do a full sweeping arc into back streets then into a cutting (which was sold off in the 60-70s) to reach Campbell Parade. There are tram lines in Europe that go on steeper grades but you need more expensive specialist trams designed for it. I think it would be cheaper, more attractive for development and add more capacity to just extend the Eastern Suburbs line.
6% is doable with existing trains and upgraded brakes... Edmonton's LRT at the University of Alberta used a steeper grade at its southern subway portal to save costs but it came at the cost of having to upgrade ALL the train's existing braking systems had to be upgraded to handle the grade which is 3X as steep as traditional subway exits at a comfortable 2%.
@@stickynorth I'm confused about your point, we are talking here about 3 options: 1. building a new light rail system down Bondi Road which would need to handle 8-9% gradients so would need different trams to the other lines in Sydney 2. building a new light rail system and finding another way down to the Beach, possibly by rebuilding either of the two 20th century alignments which would require property resumptions or a tunnel 3. extending the existing heavy rail tunnel from Bondi Junction, which might also need to be converted to single-deck Metro trains to handle the gradients. Why of these does your comment fit into?
@@carisi2k11 no current trams in service anywhere across Australia could handle 8-9% grades. You would need a special fleet and approvals etc. There are systems that run 9% grades but not *that* many.
Great question and video. The busiest bus route certainly highlights the demand. Rail would seem more logical with the existing infrastructure to Bondi Junction. Have the locals changed their views on this connection? It surprises me that they are worried about outsiders in the area. It would seem they have plenty of issues already and this would just make for a way better connection for locals outside weekends and for those pulling sickies.
It has to be LR or Metro and local residents be damned! There are so many people literally trapped on clogged roads all over Sydney that it shouldn’t matter whether local residents want a new form of public transport through their suburb - especially the wealthier ones! These days, we don’t hear anyone in Woolhara complaining about that giant hole in the ground containing nothing but a concrete slab and an electricity substation where the railway station was meant to be, do we? People forget. People move on. But as with virtually everything, a vocal minority always opposes the loudest, long before benefits can be realised. Progress across Sydney has been stifled by it for too long - mostly thanks to decisions being made on the basis of this “opposition” by politicians who don’t want to be voted out at the next election.
agree 100% The short sightedness of NIMBY's does my head in! as does the snowflake politicians (both ALP & LNP) and the loud minority basically setting the way the rest of the population have to live! Too much importance is given to the loud minority in this country!
Monorail is cheaper, bcz it's less intrusive and more fun to ride. Gold Coast spent 2.5 billion on just 10kms of light rail, tickets are expensive, it's suited better to tourists rather than transportation for local workers
The tram used to terminate at the Bondi Pavilion, back before they tore up the network. This would be extremely valuable today if they kept it. In Melbourne, the 16 and 96 trams in St Kilda have beach views along The Esplanade. Sydney needs to learn from its younger sibling on how to have proper transport to popular destinations.
Melbourne certainly isn't a city Sydney should be taking public transport tips from. Most of its shopping centres are without heavy rail. And the airport....
We used to have trams to Manly, too. At least here we have the ferry which is an attraction in and of itself (and there's an on-board bar), so I'd say it's a relatively accessibly beach, at least for those venturing in from the city
In the current situation, the quickest way to get to Bondi is to catch a train to Bondi Junction, and then walk. My position is to extend the heavy rail line to the beach. Love your channel.
This is so. Walking. The traffic can be so bad that for me it can take only 10min longer to walk from Dover heights where I live to bondi junction than to catch public transport or even drive at times.
Would prefer to also see just the extension of the Eastern Suburbs Line to Bondi Beach too. Any new tunnels from Bondi Junction could include some stubs to extend further towards Randwick/Kingsford in addition to a branch to Bondi Beach. Whilst improving transport within Sydney by adding new or converting existing lines to metro or adding new light rail lines, there shouldn't be any hold back still to extensions to the existing heavy rail network either.
Bondi NIMBYs are right up there with Byron Bay NIMBYs. I suspect that given the state of Sydney's rental crisis, the day will come when all of our beach suburbs (including Bondi) will end up with Gold Coast style, 50 story skyscrapers.
Use of all three doors on the bendy buses for entry as well as exit would help. There is an entrenched reluctance to introduce it here, mainly due to unions. We used to have multi door loadings at busy stops but as usual with Sydney, we go backwards regularly. Together with bus priority it would make the trip far more bearable. Most Sydney people are snobby and self interested. Those folks quoted embody the typical attitudes in the eastern half.
And extend to La Perouse, then continue onto Kurnell, and connect back to Cronulla (maybe move Cronulla station to where Northies is now) to make a single loop around all the beaches. It would probably be the most tourist friendly line in the world.
The tram removal was the real dumb move - making space for cars? But the buses take the space again? But what’s the point of fighting the NIMBYs with something as expensive as heavy rail when other areas are clamouring for new railways and would take them gladly - restore the light rail instead.
I live near bondi junction and one of the big obstacles I've noted is that many of the local residents who are very rich are adamant on maintaining their ability to drive everywhere. They refuse to use public transport and fear that allowing it to expand through their neighborhoods will take away their freedom to drive to shops, restaurants, cafes and so forth. I hope that as that generation dies out we will have a new generation of people moving into the neighborhood who will not be so averse to taking any form of public transport.
I have the ability to ride my bike over to bondi beach or into the city along oxford street relatively easily, but still it would bring me great pleasure to see a light rail built along oxford street to reduce the traffic of cars and buses - I have almost been side swiped by buses on oxford st so many times that I am very hesitant to stray from the footpath while I'm on my bike there during peak hour traffic
Just do the heavy rail to Bondi and then turn South to all the beaches. The area is heavily populated. Thousands of apartments. Lite rail would cause gridlock as the roads aren't that wide. Plus the trams passenger capacity isn't enough. The ones in the city are always packed.
the 1960s removal of all the tram lines is so infuriating, especially when you see how iconic they have now become in other cities that have maintained their old tram networks (e.g. lisbon, san francisco, even melbourne). so much of the city was navigable by public transport that now just isn't
I think light rail would be good despite the gradient…. It’s would at least need 1-2 stations before Bondi beach from Bondi jct…. Or remove parking from Bondi rd and make bus only on the parking lanes from 8am to 7pm at all times…. 333 is decent enough if light rail isn’t popular. I think they should turn the current light rail into a loop (eg run 2 sets of track on Elizabeth st and connect it to the current cq terminus) and have weird branches to Bondi via Oxford st, Burwood or stratty via parra rd and whatnot
Here's my suggestions. I am not a Sydneysider, so I cannot give a full idea. Maybe a LRT line to Bondi from Circular Quay and Central, or maybe extending the Juniors Kingsford line back around northward to the beach. Another idea is a metro line all the way from Hunter St to Bondi and Watsons bay, or finally a ferry line around the heads all the way to Bondi, or maybe a direct LRT from Watsons Bay wharf to Bondi and Coogee
Ferries and unprotected Pacific breakers do not pair well. A full heavy rail extension to Bondi Beach would be quickest and cheapest most likely. There’s already a long shunting spur to the East of the Jnctn platform
Surely a tram the entire way can’t be a good idea! People would just get at the city and it would be rammed the entire way with people trying to get to the end destination.
Bondi Beach desperately needs more PT options than buses. I live walking distance from the beach and whenever I go for a surf in the late afternoon, the 333 bus along campbell parade up to bondi rd is apocalyptic in the number of passengers.
Light rail up Oxford St to Bondi Beach. Revives Oxford St, fills a transport gap and can connect with a future eastern branch of metro as well as enabling better access to Bondi
Oh! Here's an idea! Just extend the heavy rail down the hill! The tunnel already extends somewhat past Bondi Junction and is already quite deep, possibly allowing a better grade down the hill! Also, it's a shame Bondi gets so crowded, cos if it didn't, more people would go there! 🤣
I'd say the best option is to extend the existing train line to Bondi Beach and parts of the eastern suburbs not serviced by rail - possibly even convert it to Metro. The line could then run from Bondi Beach to Dover heights, Vaucluse before having another underwater tunnel under the harbour, and continuing onto Manly, Queenscliff, Brookvale, Dee Why, Cromer, Narrabeen, Warriewood and terminate at Mona Vale. NIMBYs oppose public transport because they don't use it - we have the same problem up here on the Gold Coast, where our light rail line is to be extended from Broadbeach to Burleigh heads (The Gold Coast's version of Bondi), and then hopefully from there to the Gold Coast airport via Palm Beach - However, NIMBYs are popping up saying it'll destroy their (and i use the term loosely) "iconic" beachside suburb - As a real GC local who's lived here all my life (36 years), I can say that Palm Beach is far from iconic - it was a no go zone back in the 80s/90s due to a massive drug problem, crime rate and a lower socio-economic status. However it's now being revived and upgraded (much to many locals dismay). It's because of NIMBYism that growing cities are still stuck in the past.
If it's a nice day outside, I won't even bother getting the 333. If you're lucky for it to even stop with space to get on, it's a clostrophobic nightmare inside..
Never going to happen for Bondi or the Northern Beaches for that matter. The NSW government built a train line to Cronulla. That was one of the factors that led to the Cronulla Riots. You obviously have no idea how implicitly racist Australians really are. Besides, most public transport infrastructure projects are going where they are needed - the middle of Sydney. Stuff Bondi beach, IMO it's over-rated as a beach anyway. Visit it once if you're a tourist, otherwise don't bother if you want to go to a good Australian beach.
Maybe remove Bondi Beach from its pedestal - acknowledge the plethora of all the wonderful beaches in Sydney / NSW / Australia and maybe the horde of tourist won’t feel so compelled to visit our cliché icon. That might also reduce some of the traffic?
Yes i think some kind of rail extension to Bondi Beach would make a lot of sense for Sydney. Also did you know that the T4 eastern suburbs Bondi Junction train line running the other direction actually goes right to Cronulla Beach in the Sutherland shire (The Shire).
Lets be real if the lower class made those opposing comments they would still build something regardless. Most Bondi residents really think they own the world honestly
Crazy how the nimbys in bondi opposed a train line, and now complain about traffic and parking issues. You really have to question some people's thought processes. Bondi is a massively popular destination. People will go there any way they can. Might as well get them there in the most efficient way possible = heavy rail.
I sympathise with the residents after seeing first hand how bad behaviour spills onto the streets near Bondi with accompanying litter and noise pollution. However, I think a compromise can be found by providing light rail to Bondi, or even an extension of the heavy rail, as long as it serves other beaches and neighbourhoods further south such as Bronte, Cogee and Maroubra, and all these areas need a rail connection, whatever about beaches. In addition, the demand for beaches can be more evenly spread around by providing another badly needed rail connection east of Mosman, to Manly, Balmoral, Curl Curl, Collaroy, Narambeen, Avalon and Palm Beach, again needed by residents, whatever about beachgoers. Some of those beaches are better than Bondi, or just as good. "Sand in yer sandwiches mate, eh?" Isn't life a beach!
I really want to do the City to Surf, but the prospect of finishing in Bondi is just ridiculous, getting back to reliable transport from there is nonsense.
I used to live in bondi beach... The most of the older residents who own their properties hate change... And just about everyone who they think doesn't belong there...
Maybe the Sydney Metro West could be extended from its terminus in the CBD out to Bondi Beach, with a stop at Bondi Junction on route before continuing on to complete the 1967 vision of the Eastern Suburbs line. Although, I wouldn't have any idea about the ground conditions for tunneling in the area
Light rail along Oxford St makes the most sense, combined with aggressive upzoning along the entire route and out to the beach. (City of Sydney and City of Woollahra and their silly heritage industries can get over themselves.) There should be a station and interchange on that 1960s motorway-style overpass beside Bondi Junction, and the route can continue down to Bondi, before a left hook into the town centre or up to North Bondi
An act of Parliament is needed declaring the closure of the Sydney tram system illegal and forcing the rebuilding of it, to be paid for by the vested interests of the road lobby who profited from its removal.
How about the metro line since Sydney is keen on building metro now 😂? Maybe extending the Sydney Metro Parramatta Line further to Bondi Beach and then turning southwest to connect the UNSW and east Sydney suburbs.
The logical answer is to extend the existing heavy rail towards Bondi then turn south to Maroubra then a single line with maybe with one or two stations on it before it returns back to Maroubra heading back towards Bondi junction, to keep cost down, it would be a one direction loop, a dead end as it is at Bondi Junction, is not the answer, with a single line loop it would mean an increase of more paths per hour to & from the CBD including the south end of T4 line, is there money available? I doubt it, as all the Metro's now under construction have sent the government broke.
Golf courses in the middle of suburbia are an elitist waste of space. Propose turning Woollahra Golf Club and Royal Sydney Golf Club land into a large public park or other green amenity with a light rail running through it from Rose Bay Ferry Wharf, down the middle and then along Curlewis St to Bondi Beach and back. Then when the NIMBYs get mad about it, offer an alternate dedicated bus route that does much the same thing. Encourages tourists who are likely coming from the CBD to take the ferry instead of trying to drive.
Ironically the easiest Sydney beach for me to get to from the inner west is Bondi by car. I found an area to park about 10-15mins walk away. How long that will last I don’t know as the population keeps growing.
Politicians are remarkably shortsighted. Had everyone pulling their hair out that they built a fairly short railway line that never reached its promised destination. The bus terminus above Bondi Junction station has to be positively the absolute worst, ugly and disfunctional I have ever been in. I've been there often enough and still get confused which exit goes where. It's typically overlioad with hoards of signs none of which help.
they do already have cycle routes down part of oxford street and it’s nice. I think the best option is extending heavy rail. During that they could also finish woolahra station and fix up the electrification to prepare for future retirement of the tangaras. It would be nice to also have a light rail though. You could have it run continue down the coastline from bondi to coogee beach and meet the L2 at randwick, forming a loop.
@@carisi2k11 YES WE USED TO GO THERE AFTER ROLLERSKATING ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHTS, WINTER WAS BEST, QUICK SWIM THEN GET CLOSE TO THE BEACH FIRE, WE WERE TOLD BY THE POLICE TO JUST CLEAN UP AFTERWARDS AND MAKE SURE THE FIRE WAS OUT
What about wharf at Bondi for a coastal ferry route connecting places like Ramsgate -> Brighton Le Sands -> Little Bay -> Malabar -> Coogee -> Bronte or Tamarama -> South Bondi -> Circular Quay?
I went to Bondi and it was the most disgusting experience ever you couldn't find a car park and just far too many people . I much prefer the beaches in Adelaide with the beautiful sunsets and not everybody posing lol
@@Learntarott I've been to Sydney a few times , used to do busking trips there, back when I was younger but I don't think I'll be back to Sydney , it's just to full on and too expensive now and you can't pick the crazies anymore
I think we shouldn't invest any more money on pt to bondi. It is a waste of money, land is expensive. Let's focus on cheaper areas where residents appreciate pt. Eg - more metro out west, more train frequency down south and making more swimmable areas along the harbour and rivers.
It is sad that the Bondi trams ceased running. Near the beach, the trams went on reserved track through a small tunnel and then ended up in the centre of the road at the beach. Maybe they could just run a light rail tram service from Bondi Junction to Bondi Beach, which could at least take some of the crowds from the Route 333 buses.
I don't see why a tram route that runs more or less along the coastline wouldn't be a roaring success. it could connect to both Bondi Junction and the pencilled in La Perouse metro station
It's too late to worry about it now. It should have been done by now, just before the Olympics. If you think the NIMBY's were bad then, well..............................
Funnily enough, my family left Bondi in 1965 and moved to the northern suburbs of Sydney to get away from the undesirables. Trash from Un Zud had been steadily increasing, men in Oxford street were wearing pink shirts, István Baranyay real name Steven Bradley had murdered Graeme Thorn, (Australia's first kidnapping) thanks for the diversity. A few years later brothel owner Joe Borg was blow up in is car and it hasn't improved over time.
Well, this is NSW so whats the point to go to the beach anyway? Maybe they will ban beaches soon, like scooters, vaping, etc. In fact, I think they should ban everything except breathing and eating. But eating only inside restauratns and with a white clothe table. They should also ban tea as its vaping like. Let's van everyting! We are NSW! Freedom is just available when you go on holidays.
Australia's 2nd most famous beach (arguably) is Manly Beach on Sydney's Northern Beaches. There's a lovely 30min ferry ride from the City that takes you there - probably easier to just promote this as Australia's best beach for tourists to visit.
Um but it DID well kinda, the tram went down there. They NEVER listened to Bradfield who had an entire eastern suburbs line inc Bondi Beach. DAFQ they didn't listen to him for? oh well. Its only the Eastern Subs XD
Ironically, Bondi is a dump, dirty, trees removed for car parking, the poo works @ north Bondi, dirty backpacker share houses in the backstreets. Nahhh, I’d rather Coogee any day.
Dear Mr CityMoose, good one! Now can you please close Pandora’s box of Australian racism, social engineering and bigotry, not to mention provoking the exhibition of shear ignorance of RUclipsrs.
I think the Bondi residents need to get used to the idea that they don't own the beach. They vastly underestimate the international tourist revenue for one - if the residents had sole access to the beach then most of the cafes and restaurants would have close and it'd become a backwater. A heavy rail tunnel to Bondi is the sensible option, with the only other being making a dedicated bus lane all the way from Bondi to the Junction and the city.
The tourist revenue is next to none. People go there, get their photos and get out.
I don't know much about Sydney. But my point would be that when they bought in Bondi it was already a beach that people wanted to go to. I'm not sure why as last time I heard, it had a massive sewage issue, but then again I hear there aren't a lot of accessible beaches in Sydney and the traffic there is a disaster.
Bondi residents do not work in these cafes, and public transport visitors from west do not pay rent to Bondi lords. Refuse.
@@jamesaustralian9829 Sorry but this is not true. It has a global reputation and is definitely a highly visited tourist destination.
@@jayfielding1333at the same time its located in one of the richest areas of Australia. We're talking the 0.001%. this is part of why they don't want nor need lots of tourists.
For similar reasons you don't hear about the other really good beaches in Sydney because the local residents don't want it to turn into Bondi and they're all extremely rich.
It's incredible that NIMBY's are often devoid of any kind of logic; to be afraid that "undesirables" would come to their neighborhood, as if they don't get there already; to complain about the horrendous traffic and then not want to do anything about it; and then to want to declare the beach for themselves only, as if the businesses in the area would be content with just the NIMBY customers. I'm sure they don't like the heavy traffic and packed buses themselves. Maybe all street improvements, parking improvements, etc should be deprioritized and remain unfunded unless concessions are made on transit improvements.
…as if they don’t *live* there already!
lol check out articles on the Gold Coast light rail extensions - NIMBYs everywhere up here
So many people that write so many words but don't say anything
Rich people choking themselves with traffic
When I went to Bondi I didn't see rich people just thousands of large hairy Greek men
Oh yeah. It’s hilarious watching all the Porsche and Maserati driving at 15kph. They also have ensured through rich tantrums that the whole area to Watson’s bay has the worst roads, worst mobile reception and even still dumps raw sewage to the sea because the pump needed to push it over the hill to bondi treatment would be unsightly.
@@cystarkman thats actually true - except not everyone. Im from the east and our family certainly does not have a porsche 😂
We have a continent to live on, yet people want to live in an area the size of Hong Kong or Singapore. Time to spread out.
I worked on the design for the proposed extension from Bondi Junction to Bondi Beach (Civil engineer), in 1996.
It was all ready to go, until the residents killed it
Would it still be feasible from an engineering perspective to resarect it?
@@riceman78 no problem at all. It was all underground.The biggest issue at the time was going under, or over, the massive sewer pipe going to the treatment plant
@@Thebibs hopefully it is reserected.
it seems crazy some local nimbys were allowed to block such a project because they don't want people coming to "their" suburb.
The rich Bondi residents don't want day trippers. They don't understand that Bondi Beach is a tourist icon.
It is not for their exclusive use.
The local businesses need the tourist dollars.
The railway could be extended from Bondi station down to the beach.
This would reduce congestion on Bondi Rd and limited parking at the beach area.
bondi residents are too picky and are probably too scared that they'll see an eshay if there was a station at bondi beach
Entitled lot aren't they? lol.
It's like Europeans getting mad at tourists in their city. It's the only thing keeping their countries relevant
bondi residents are actually all 20-30 yo - they are not rich and all they do is surf.
But... but... but... They are already having trouble keeping the riff-raff out of their nice suburb. Imagine what would happen if it was easier for them to get there. The place would be overrun with all sorts of unwashed plebs!
Honestly, every time I hear the phase "There used to be trams...." in regards to transport in Sydney I just weep at what we could have had.
And of all the lines they could have saved.
Just have to look at melb to see what u could of had 😂
Same all over Australia except for Melbourne we all got rid of the trams and now want them back. This is a lesson for everybody using Google eventually we're going to want a real lives and entertainment back lol
"more space for cars" bruhhhh the worst reasoning to remove them
@@pauliewalnuts6734 Of course the "official" reason was to replace trams with "gliding buses" - gliding buses, hahahaha! Allowing more space on the roads for cars was the real agenda though, as the NRMA lobbying against trams at the time made clear. Now the NRMA complains of Military Road (Lower North Shore) which was once a main tram route, being one of Sydney's most congested roads! You reap what you sow.
Light rail would be a great option - with the high density of the area running from the city down Oxford St to bondi Rd it would do the opposite of the NIMBY crowds fears, increasing pedestrian access.
Bondi Road is likely too steep, I think it reaches 8-9% at some places. On the old tram system, of which the Bondi via Bondi Junction line was one of the last lines to close in 1960 a year before the final lines to La Perouse and Maroubra closed, had to do a full sweeping arc into back streets then into a cutting (which was sold off in the 60-70s) to reach Campbell Parade.
There are tram lines in Europe that go on steeper grades but you need more expensive specialist trams designed for it. I think it would be cheaper, more attractive for development and add more capacity to just extend the Eastern Suburbs line.
The Light Rail route going down Oxford Street would be a traffic disaster. Have a look at the impact on small retail shopping and restaurants down Anzac Parade in Kingsford and Kensington. Before construction started on this route through those two adjacent suburbs, pedestrian traffic from UNSW was flourishing, with students and locals frequenting the many restaurants and small businesses throughout the day and night. Drivers could usually find a spot to park close to where they wanted to go before they commenced construction. Once construction started, and even now it is impossible to park, as two and one half lanes have been excised to allow for the Light Rail. Over 90% of once thriving businesses that were there before have "gone to the wall". Oxford Street from Bondi Junction, through Woollahra and Paddington, down to Taylor Square and beyond would suffer a worse fate, as the road is narrower. The only viable solution is to extend the underground Metro from the Bondi Junction rail line, through to Bondi, Clovelly, Coogee, Randwick, Maroubra, Matraville, and finally linking up with the rail again at Mascot.
All rail in high density areas should be underground.
I agree with light rail but don't think beach Rd would work, need to look at other alignments.
@@DAEMTAM how does light rail on existing busy roads alleviate traffic concerns? how does light rail work better than buses?
Rail to Bondi? Heavy Rail? Light Rail? YES! Both... Do the short extension as well as build out the Sydney Light Rail too... It's best to future proof and give people two ways of getting to and from the nation's most popular beach that unclogs the roads yet also attempts to reclaim them from cars too!
It's only the nation's most popular beach cos you made a TV show about it in terms of beaches there's plenty of them ,just as good in Adelaide or anywhere else in the country were you can actually get a car park there and you can actually see the sand cause there's not people everywhere
Rich people annoy me lmao
Going back to the 80's and early 90's, residents of The Shire wanted a ban on everyone from the western suburbs from entering their precious lily white skinned town. Unsurprising it's where white supremacists meet up for riots.
same, the gatekeepy grubby piece of shit
That's because you're poor 😂
@@thiagoleobons390How dare you!
@@thiagoleobons390 we found the Bondi resident here
Thirty years ago, a friend and I decided to drive to Bondi Beach for dinner one Friday night. After spending well over an hour in heavy traffic driving up and down every street from North Bondi to Waverley looking for a parking spot, we gave up and went to Glebe instead. That was 30 years ago. Why the local residents and councils still (after decades) prefer to suffer constant choking traffic to public transport is beyond me.
What really annoyed me is when they said that poor people would ruin the vibe in Bondi.
they would. Westie bogans
@@suave-rider they can still and do still go to Bondi beach anyway you donkey, they just drive and clog up your roads too as a nice little bonus 😂 I see that money can’t buy brains 😂🤦🏻♂️
Is it true though? Think of all the Cronulla riots and what went on.
@@suave-rideryeah because public transport is just used by poor people, yucky
Bondi Beach is pretty much like Kings Cross nowadays.
The easiest and least disruptive plan would be to extend the Heavy rail Bondi junction line underground to Bondi beach. One stop. One station.
I’m no engineer so I don’t know how the drop in elevation and space requirements for train station and turnarounds would work. In any case, the opposition to the line from rusted on locals would be fierce as something deemed locally significant would need to be demolished and redeveloped.
The location I would suggest is under Campbell Parade and the existing above ground car park or under the playground of Bondi Beach Public School to account for that one time the carpark was buried by sand after a storm
Then you don't get the major benefit of upzoning along the route. Light rail is likely to be cheaper and deliver more benefit
The best method is heavy rail underground. I think make a loop. Bondi Jct to Bondi Beach, Rose Bay then Edgecliff and in reverse too.
Def needs a heavy rail extension from bondi junction. A light rail through oxford st would be a great addition as well.
I've started to see the phrase "induced demand" used as a negative against public transport - by those who seem to be unaware it refers to induced *road* use by adding extra roads. It doesn't have any meaning for public transport, which has by definition a far more elastic capacity than roads.
Hmm not really, by building better public transport you do induce demand away from roads (thereby reducing congestion) which is a good thing!
What’s more, induced demand actually makes public transit MORE attractive due to increased frequency allowing you to “turn up and go”. We only see this positive effect start to taper off when you can’t possibly pack the trains any closer, like in my hometown of Hong Kong.
And even then adding another parallel line or quad tracking doesn't have the diminishing returns road expansion has.
And there are hardly any conditions that would overwhelm a quad tracked rapid transit line.
And induced demand for public transit is a good thing - it's far less costly to maintain rail than road for the amount of people that it moves.
Induced demand is always a positive. You're allowing people to go where they want to go
Many years ago, on my first trip to Sydney, I went to see the much lauded Bondi Beach and came away very disappointed. Nice beach but nothing special, unless you come from a place like England with its cold, windy rock covered coast.
Believe me, you can find good beaches like this all over Australia. The best beach is the one close by. 😁
Exactly. Bondi Beach is nice but there are hundreds of beaches in Australia just as nice or better.
Everybody takes the piss out of Adelaide but there's nothing like sitting on the beach with the sun setting over the water with beaches just as nice. I remember in Queensland skyscrapers having shade across the beaches lol nothing special as you say
The point about Bondi is that it is a nice beach that hasn’t been ruined by overdevelopment within cooee of a global city’s CBD. There are few cities in the world who can boast that.
@@brontewcat You are right of course, but it's mainly huge cities, as Indeed Sydney is. They have done a good job in keeping some good beaches from being overdeveloped. Most Aussie cities have too, but others around the world have failed utterly. (I've seen a few) Maybe we are spoiled for choice, but I wouldn't have it any other way. 😎
@@freeman10000Not close to a major city CBD. Bondi is a pretty nice beach that one can pop down to after work in the CBD. That is what makes it special.
Like your personal experience, I too experienced overcrowding on the 333 bus when I transferred from Bondi Junction. It was a weekday on a sunny day, and the buses *both ways* was full.
At the time of this comment, it's Saturday, and the weather is perfect for beach goers, but I can't imagine how many people will wait for the 333 today. In fact, if there is a safe, accessible bike route to the beach, I'd probably take it.
Bondi Road is likely too steep for light rail, I think it reaches 8-9% for sections. On the old tram system, of which the Bondi via Bondi Junction line was one of the last lines to close in 1960 a year before the final lines to La Perouse and Maroubra closed in 1961, the trams had to do a full sweeping arc into back streets then into a cutting (which was sold off in the 60-70s) to reach Campbell Parade.
There are tram lines in Europe that go on steeper grades but you need more expensive specialist trams designed for it. I think it would be cheaper, more attractive for development and add more capacity to just extend the Eastern Suburbs line.
6% is doable with existing trains and upgraded brakes... Edmonton's LRT at the University of Alberta used a steeper grade at its southern subway portal to save costs but it came at the cost of having to upgrade ALL the train's existing braking systems had to be upgraded to handle the grade which is 3X as steep as traditional subway exits at a comfortable 2%.
@@stickynorth I'm confused about your point, we are talking here about 3 options:
1. building a new light rail system down Bondi Road which would need to handle 8-9% gradients so would need different trams to the other lines in Sydney
2. building a new light rail system and finding another way down to the Beach, possibly by rebuilding either of the two 20th century alignments which would require property resumptions or a tunnel
3. extending the existing heavy rail tunnel from Bondi Junction, which might also need to be converted to single-deck Metro trains to handle the gradients.
Why of these does your comment fit into?
That was only a problem for the old trams. The new trams shouldn't have an issue with that grade.
@@carisi2k11 no current trams in service anywhere across Australia could handle 8-9% grades. You would need a special fleet and approvals etc. There are systems that run 9% grades but not *that* many.
use tunnelling to get light rail within a 1km if really needed. but i reckon buses are sufficient.
Great question and video. The busiest bus route certainly highlights the demand. Rail would seem more logical with the existing infrastructure to Bondi Junction. Have the locals changed their views on this connection? It surprises me that they are worried about outsiders in the area. It would seem they have plenty of issues already and this would just make for a way better connection for locals outside weekends and for those pulling sickies.
It has to be LR or Metro and local residents be damned! There are so many people literally trapped on clogged roads all over Sydney that it shouldn’t matter whether local residents want a new form of public transport through their suburb - especially the wealthier ones! These days, we don’t hear anyone in Woolhara complaining about that giant hole in the ground containing nothing but a concrete slab and an electricity substation where the railway station was meant to be, do we? People forget. People move on. But as with virtually everything, a vocal minority always opposes the loudest, long before benefits can be realised. Progress across Sydney has been stifled by it for too long - mostly thanks to decisions being made on the basis of this “opposition” by politicians who don’t want to be voted out at the next election.
agree 100% The short sightedness of NIMBY's does my head in! as does the snowflake politicians (both ALP & LNP) and the loud minority basically setting the way the rest of the population have to live! Too much importance is given to the loud minority in this country!
You forget that this lot of minority can very much influence whether politicians have a job or not.
@@jackhuo2758Indeed - thus my reference to polies who don’t want to be voted out ;)
Monorail is cheaper, bcz it's less intrusive and more fun to ride. Gold Coast spent 2.5 billion on just 10kms of light rail, tickets are expensive, it's suited better to tourists rather than transportation for local workers
Gold Coast has poor public transport plus with population growth they will have road issues
The tram used to terminate at the Bondi Pavilion, back before they tore up the network. This would be extremely valuable today if they kept it. In Melbourne, the 16 and 96 trams in St Kilda have beach views along The Esplanade. Sydney needs to learn from its younger sibling on how to have proper transport to popular destinations.
Melbourne certainly isn't a city Sydney should be taking public transport tips from. Most of its shopping centres are without heavy rail. And the airport....
We used to have trams to Manly, too. At least here we have the ferry which is an attraction in and of itself (and there's an on-board bar), so I'd say it's a relatively accessibly beach, at least for those venturing in from the city
In the current situation, the quickest way to get to Bondi is to catch a train to Bondi Junction, and then walk. My position is to extend the heavy rail line to the beach. Love your channel.
Or a Ferry to Rose Bay and then Uber 👌👌
This is so. Walking. The traffic can be so bad that for me it can take only 10min longer to walk from Dover heights where I live to bondi junction than to catch public transport or even drive at times.
@@JackTaudi Or a ferry to Watsons Bay and then bus
@@cystarkmanI grew up in Dover Heights, Loombah Road, in the ‘60’s so no traffic issues back then 🙏🙏🤣🤣🤣
Would prefer to also see just the extension of the Eastern Suburbs Line to Bondi Beach too.
Any new tunnels from Bondi Junction could include some stubs to extend further towards Randwick/Kingsford in addition to a branch to Bondi Beach. Whilst improving transport within Sydney by adding new or converting existing lines to metro or adding new light rail lines, there shouldn't be any hold back still to extensions to the existing heavy rail network either.
Bondi NIMBYs are right up there with Byron Bay NIMBYs. I suspect that given the state of Sydney's rental crisis, the day will come when all of our beach suburbs (including Bondi) will end up with Gold Coast style, 50 story skyscrapers.
Use of all three doors on the bendy buses for entry as well as exit would help. There is an entrenched reluctance to introduce it here, mainly due to unions. We used to have multi door loadings at busy stops but as usual with Sydney, we go backwards regularly. Together with bus priority it would make the trip far more bearable.
Most Sydney people are snobby and self interested. Those folks quoted embody the typical attitudes in the eastern half.
Unions? Any evidence/articles to support? I believe it is more around fare structure and revenue concerns (users not tapping on)
@@DAEMTAM no its the RTBU who are heavily against it. It's up to roving inspectors to guard revenue, not drivers.
Heavy fare evasion on London bendy buses were a constant issues and lead to their withdrawal.
@@danielsellers8707 reflects the bludgers that are rife in that city.
Honestly the T4 should get extended to Bondi Beach then south towards Port Botany
And extend to La Perouse, then continue onto Kurnell, and connect back to Cronulla (maybe move Cronulla station to where Northies is now) to make a single loop around all the beaches. It would probably be the most tourist friendly line in the world.
The tram removal was the real dumb move - making space for cars? But the buses take the space again? But what’s the point of fighting the NIMBYs with something as expensive as heavy rail when other areas are clamouring for new railways and would take them gladly - restore the light rail instead.
I live near bondi junction and one of the big obstacles I've noted is that many of the local residents who are very rich are adamant on maintaining their ability to drive everywhere. They refuse to use public transport and fear that allowing it to expand through their neighborhoods will take away their freedom to drive to shops, restaurants, cafes and so forth. I hope that as that generation dies out we will have a new generation of people moving into the neighborhood who will not be so averse to taking any form of public transport.
I have the ability to ride my bike over to bondi beach or into the city along oxford street relatively easily, but still it would bring me great pleasure to see a light rail built along oxford street to reduce the traffic of cars and buses - I have almost been side swiped by buses on oxford st so many times that I am very hesitant to stray from the footpath while I'm on my bike there during peak hour traffic
I always thought light rail that runs from Watsons bay south to Bondi and Coogee would be a great tourist and people mover for the eastern suburbs
Just do the heavy rail to Bondi and then turn South to all the beaches. The area is heavily populated. Thousands of apartments. Lite rail would cause gridlock as the roads aren't that wide. Plus the trams passenger capacity isn't enough. The ones in the city are always packed.
I remember there was a kids book “The tram to Bondi Beach”.
the 1960s removal of all the tram lines is so infuriating, especially when you see how iconic they have now become in other cities that have maintained their old tram networks (e.g. lisbon, san francisco, even melbourne). so much of the city was navigable by public transport that now just isn't
They should extend the rail line to Bondi and also construct a light rail line to the beach so u can have multiple ways of getting there
The Northern Beaches is the same. The locals don’t want their area to be easy to get to.
I think light rail would be good despite the gradient…. It’s would at least need 1-2 stations before Bondi beach from Bondi jct….
Or remove parking from Bondi rd and make bus only on the parking lanes from 8am to 7pm at all times…. 333 is decent enough if light rail isn’t popular.
I think they should turn the current light rail into a loop (eg run 2 sets of track on Elizabeth st and connect it to the current cq terminus) and have weird branches to Bondi via Oxford st, Burwood or stratty via parra rd and whatnot
Here's my suggestions. I am not a Sydneysider, so I cannot give a full idea. Maybe a LRT line to Bondi from Circular Quay and Central, or maybe extending the Juniors Kingsford line back around northward to the beach. Another idea is a metro line all the way from Hunter St to Bondi and Watsons bay, or finally a ferry line around the heads all the way to Bondi, or maybe a direct LRT from Watsons Bay wharf to Bondi and Coogee
Ferries and unprotected Pacific breakers do not pair well. A full heavy rail extension to Bondi Beach would be quickest and cheapest most likely. There’s already a long shunting spur to the East of the Jnctn platform
@@reddust8649 i know about the water, which is why i suggested a lrt from watsons bay, so ferry then transfer to lrt
Surely a tram the entire way can’t be a good idea! People would just get at the city and it would be rammed the entire way with people trying to get to the end destination.
At least, trams carry more people.
Now we need one of these but on the northern beaches train lije
Bondi Beach desperately needs more PT options than buses. I live walking distance from the beach and whenever I go for a surf in the late afternoon, the 333 bus along campbell parade up to bondi rd is apocalyptic in the number of passengers.
I've walked to Bondi Beach from Bondi Junction station a couple of times.
For the Locals of Bondi; the beach is crown land and is thus owned by everyone in the State !
Hear, Hear
Light rail up Oxford St to Bondi Beach. Revives Oxford St, fills a transport gap and can connect with a future eastern branch of metro as well as enabling better access to Bondi
genuinely think this is the best bet.
and then from oxford st it can extend to elizabeth st and macquarie st and end up in the circular quay tram station
Oh! Here's an idea! Just extend the heavy rail down the hill! The tunnel already extends somewhat past Bondi Junction and is already quite deep, possibly allowing a better grade down the hill! Also, it's a shame Bondi gets so crowded, cos if it didn't, more people would go there! 🤣
I'd say the best option is to extend the existing train line to Bondi Beach and parts of the eastern suburbs not serviced by rail - possibly even convert it to Metro. The line could then run from Bondi Beach to Dover heights, Vaucluse before having another underwater tunnel under the harbour, and continuing onto Manly, Queenscliff, Brookvale, Dee Why, Cromer, Narrabeen, Warriewood and terminate at Mona Vale.
NIMBYs oppose public transport because they don't use it - we have the same problem up here on the Gold Coast, where our light rail line is to be extended from Broadbeach to Burleigh heads (The Gold Coast's version of Bondi), and then hopefully from there to the Gold Coast airport via Palm Beach - However, NIMBYs are popping up saying it'll destroy their (and i use the term loosely) "iconic" beachside suburb - As a real GC local who's lived here all my life (36 years), I can say that Palm Beach is far from iconic - it was a no go zone back in the 80s/90s due to a massive drug problem, crime rate and a lower socio-economic status. However it's now being revived and upgraded (much to many locals dismay). It's because of NIMBYism that growing cities are still stuck in the past.
They can’t even build a railway line to maroubra junction so no I don’t think they will extend it to Bondi beach
Elevated Light Rail or tunnel for the Heavy Rail?
Either would make an amazing difference
Good video mate
Full heavy rail extension !
The cost of a proper rail connection from Bondi Junction to the Beach would be very expensive. Why not re-lay the tram connection?
Build it and they will come.
I wonder if it would be cheaper to replace Bus 333 with Tram or extend the Bondi Junction train line.
If it's a nice day outside, I won't even bother getting the 333. If you're lucky for it to even stop with space to get on, it's a clostrophobic nightmare inside..
Recommend building a new Sydney Train subway line would be a good idea
Catch the train to Bondi Junction then catch the 379 to North Bondi and get off at the last stop. Then it's only about a 2 minute walk to the beach
Not even the last stop. Lol
Never going to happen for Bondi or the Northern Beaches for that matter. The NSW government built a train line to Cronulla. That was one of the factors that led to the Cronulla Riots. You obviously have no idea how implicitly racist Australians really are. Besides, most public transport infrastructure projects are going where they are needed - the middle of Sydney. Stuff Bondi beach, IMO it's over-rated as a beach anyway. Visit it once if you're a tourist, otherwise don't bother if you want to go to a good Australian beach.
Maybe remove Bondi Beach from its pedestal - acknowledge the plethora of all the wonderful beaches in Sydney / NSW / Australia and maybe the horde of tourist won’t feel so compelled to visit our cliché icon. That might also reduce some of the traffic?
Yes i think some kind of rail extension to Bondi Beach would make a lot of sense for Sydney. Also did you know that the T4 eastern suburbs Bondi Junction train line running the other direction actually goes right to Cronulla Beach in the Sutherland shire (The Shire).
There will be a train when tax payers can use the huge Bondi surf club they paid for. NEVER!
Lets be real if the lower class made those opposing comments they would still build something regardless. Most Bondi residents really think they own the world honestly
Crazy how the nimbys in bondi opposed a train line, and now complain about traffic and parking issues. You really have to question some people's thought processes. Bondi is a massively popular destination. People will go there any way they can. Might as well get them there in the most efficient way possible = heavy rail.
I sympathise with the residents after seeing first hand how bad behaviour spills onto the streets near Bondi with accompanying litter and noise pollution. However, I think a compromise can be found by providing light rail to Bondi, or even an extension of the heavy rail, as long as it serves other beaches and neighbourhoods further south such as Bronte, Cogee and Maroubra, and all these areas need a rail connection, whatever about beaches. In addition, the demand for beaches can be more evenly spread around by providing another badly needed rail connection east of Mosman, to Manly, Balmoral, Curl Curl, Collaroy, Narambeen, Avalon and Palm Beach, again needed by residents, whatever about beachgoers. Some of those beaches are better than Bondi, or just as good. "Sand in yer sandwiches mate, eh?" Isn't life a beach!
I really want to do the City to Surf, but the prospect of finishing in Bondi is just ridiculous, getting back to reliable transport from there is nonsense.
Bondi Beach is overrated as a beach.
Not trams on track. Just trams on normal bus WHEELS-TYRES for easier set up and easier climb up Campbell Parade..
I used to live in bondi beach... The most of the older residents who own their properties hate change... And just about everyone who they think doesn't belong there...
Maybe the Sydney Metro West could be extended from its terminus in the CBD out to Bondi Beach, with a stop at Bondi Junction on route before continuing on to complete the 1967 vision of the Eastern Suburbs line. Although, I wouldn't have any idea about the ground conditions for tunneling in the area
Light rail along Oxford St makes the most sense, combined with aggressive upzoning along the entire route and out to the beach. (City of Sydney and City of Woollahra and their silly heritage industries can get over themselves.) There should be a station and interchange on that 1960s motorway-style overpass beside Bondi Junction, and the route can continue down to Bondi, before a left hook into the town centre or up to North Bondi
NIMBYs is why we cant have good things.
I think Cronulla is the only Sydney beach with a train station.
Bondi Beach is a hellhole. I prefer to swim at Coogee.
Yeah love Coogee, so many nice little cafes and spots and everyone I met there has been really nice
An act of Parliament is needed declaring the closure of the Sydney tram system illegal and forcing the rebuilding of it, to be paid for by the vested interests of the road lobby who profited from its removal.
Damned NIMBYs.
bondi light rail could branch off the L2/L3 lines
How about the metro line since Sydney is keen on building metro now 😂? Maybe extending the Sydney Metro Parramatta Line further to Bondi Beach and then turning southwest to connect the UNSW and east Sydney suburbs.
Bondi Beach is the Fosters of beaches. Popular for tourists but it's 💩
The logical answer is to extend the existing heavy rail towards Bondi then turn south to Maroubra then a single line with maybe with one or two stations on it before it returns back to Maroubra heading back towards Bondi junction, to keep cost down, it would be a one direction loop, a dead end as it is at Bondi Junction, is not the answer, with a single line loop it would mean an increase of more paths per hour to & from the CBD including the south end of T4 line, is there money available? I doubt it, as all the Metro's now under construction have sent the government broke.
Can you make a video on the Australian Gauge Chaos
Golf courses in the middle of suburbia are an elitist waste of space. Propose turning Woollahra Golf Club and Royal Sydney Golf Club land into a large public park or other green amenity with a light rail running through it from Rose Bay Ferry Wharf, down the middle and then along Curlewis St to Bondi Beach and back. Then when the NIMBYs get mad about it, offer an alternate dedicated bus route that does much the same thing. Encourages tourists who are likely coming from the CBD to take the ferry instead of trying to drive.
Ironically the easiest Sydney beach for me to get to from the inner west is Bondi by car. I found an area to park about 10-15mins walk away. How long that will last I don’t know as the population keeps growing.
They should build the light rail down to Bondi Beach would solve a lot of traffic problems in the area.
Politicians are remarkably shortsighted.
Had everyone pulling their hair out that they built a fairly short railway line that never reached its promised destination.
The bus terminus above Bondi Junction station has to be positively the absolute worst, ugly and disfunctional I have ever been in. I've been there often enough and still get confused which exit goes where. It's typically overlioad with hoards of signs none of which help.
they do already have cycle routes down part of oxford street and it’s nice.
I think the best option is extending heavy rail. During that they could also finish woolahra station and fix up the electrification to prepare for future retirement of the tangaras.
It would be nice to also have a light rail though. You could have it run continue down the coastline from bondi to coogee beach and meet the L2 at randwick, forming a loop.
I LIVED IN WARWICK FARM IN THE 80'S, WE WOULD RATHER DRIVE TO BULLI BEACH THEN GO TO BONDI, AS IT WAS A NIGHTMARE TO GET THERE WAY BACK THEN
I bet Bulli would have been a nicer beach as well.
@@carisi2k11 YES WE USED TO GO THERE AFTER ROLLERSKATING ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHTS, WINTER WAS BEST, QUICK SWIM THEN GET CLOSE TO THE BEACH FIRE, WE WERE TOLD BY THE POLICE TO JUST CLEAN UP AFTERWARDS AND MAKE SURE THE FIRE WAS OUT
@@rogertull8888you dont need to use caps to push your point. Most of us get it
nobody wants bogans at Bondi
@@suave-rider but they're already there? They live like down the damn road
Same thing happened to Rio
What about wharf at Bondi for a coastal ferry route connecting places like Ramsgate -> Brighton Le Sands -> Little Bay -> Malabar -> Coogee -> Bronte or Tamarama -> South Bondi -> Circular Quay?
Is Bondi Junction not enough?? It's not that far out from Bondi Beach...
I went to Bondi and it was the most disgusting experience ever you couldn't find a car park and just far too many people . I much prefer the beaches in Adelaide with the beautiful sunsets and not everybody posing lol
Go to Coogee instead
@@Learntarott I've been to Sydney a few times , used to do busking trips there, back when I was younger but I don't think I'll be back to Sydney , it's just to full on and too expensive now and you can't pick the crazies anymore
Why would you want to go to Bondi anyway?
There are much better beaches a little further south.
I think we shouldn't invest any more money on pt to bondi. It is a waste of money, land is expensive. Let's focus on cheaper areas where residents appreciate pt. Eg - more metro out west, more train frequency down south and making more swimmable areas along the harbour and rivers.
It is sad that the Bondi trams ceased running. Near the beach, the trams went on reserved track through a small tunnel and then ended up in the centre of the road at the beach. Maybe they could just run a light rail tram service from Bondi Junction to Bondi Beach, which could at least take some of the crowds from the Route 333 buses.
Trains = cattle cars.
Apartments = battery-chicken/pig-pen housing
I don't see why a tram route that runs more or less along the coastline wouldn't be a roaring success. it could connect to both Bondi Junction and the pencilled in La Perouse metro station
It's too late to worry about it now. It should have been done by now, just before the Olympics. If you think the NIMBY's were bad then, well..............................
Funnily enough, my family left Bondi in 1965 and moved to the northern suburbs of Sydney to get away from the undesirables.
Trash from Un Zud had been steadily increasing, men in Oxford street were wearing pink shirts, István Baranyay real name Steven Bradley had murdered Graeme Thorn, (Australia's first kidnapping) thanks for the diversity. A few years later brothel owner Joe Borg was blow up in is car and it hasn't improved over time.
Well, this is NSW so whats the point to go to the beach anyway? Maybe they will ban beaches soon, like scooters, vaping, etc. In fact, I think they should ban everything except breathing and eating. But eating only inside restauratns and with a white clothe table. They should also ban tea as its vaping like. Let's van everyting! We are NSW! Freedom is just available when you go on holidays.
Just like a train to the Sunshine coast
Australia's 2nd most famous beach (arguably) is Manly Beach on Sydney's Northern Beaches. There's a lovely 30min ferry ride from the City that takes you there - probably easier to just promote this as Australia's best beach for tourists to visit.
Um but it DID well kinda, the tram went down there. They NEVER listened to Bradfield who had an entire eastern suburbs line inc Bondi Beach. DAFQ they didn't listen to him for? oh well. Its only the Eastern Subs XD
Ironically, Bondi is a dump, dirty, trees removed for car parking, the poo works @ north Bondi, dirty backpacker share houses in the backstreets.
Nahhh, I’d rather Coogee any day.
Dear Mr CityMoose, good one! Now can you please close Pandora’s box of Australian racism, social engineering and bigotry, not to mention provoking the exhibition of shear ignorance of RUclipsrs.