PDF TO OFFICIAL MAP: drive.google.com/file/d/1uiKVwWXw6__XhT6O798S_fLdKsKynP0u/view EXACT STATION LOCATIONS: www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1LlsICdiPQPwdhGqT4w81cvjhABLJLPU&ll=-33.8741438825343%2C151.00721495&z=10 Hey! Took me a long time to make this video, I've been working on it on and off since October, but it's finally done. Hope you all enjoy it. Just to mention how I didn't put the T3 line in, because the T3 line east of Bankstown is being converted to metro as part of the Sydney Metro Southwest, and the T3 west of Bankstown will join the T2 line. A new service will run between Liverpool and the City Circle via Regents Park, as well as and shuttle services between Bankstown and Lidcombe. Honestly, not a big fan of how the T3 line's conversion has been handled; strongly considering making a video about that sometime. Anyways, hope you enjoyed the proposal :))
I'd be keen to hear your thoughts about the T3 conversion and what they should've done instead. On the Western Sydney Airport line, I remember being surprised to read that they're using 25 kV AC instead of 1500 V DC they're using everywhere else. Do you know why they chose 25 kV AC and whether they'd be using that for newer Metro lines? It seems weird they didn't go with that for the other Metro lines, my suspicion is the T3 conversion meant they went with 1500 V DC for the City & Southwest line, but that doesn't explain why they chose 1500 V DC for Metro West.
Whether all is realistic or not, it doesn't take away the fact that I have just spent 20 very exciting minutes watching your video. You put a lot of effort into it, and your enthusiasm is highly contagious!!!!
Awesome video Sharath, I'll vote for you to be the NSW Transport Minister any day! Great suggestions to expand the network and plug some critical gaps in coverage. The Victoria Road & Bondi Line isn't one I'd considered before but really should be the next line constructed, plugging gaps in the Western Sydney Metro line such as Camellia and addressing a lot of highly dense suburbs which are close to the city and plagued by terrible traffic clogged routes, such as Gladesville, Drummoyne, Rozelle Broadway (U-SYD) and Glebe). One suggestion on the Macquarie Park to Hurstville line, would it perhaps be better to go from South Strathfield to Strathfield (connection with the Western, Northern and Newcastle/Central Coast lines) then Concord, Mortlake, Putney and Ryde. The Concord peninsula is screaming out for better transport option, to me this alternate route provides better additional metro coverage than Flemington (already has a train station and Strathfield is a better alternative to transfer lines), Olympic Park (already served and getting better) and Wentworth Point (will get the Parramatta Light Rail Stage 2 - yeah I know).
I didn't choose Strathfield as it was a little out of the way to get to, although logistically speaking it would make more sense for sure. The route I chose was just more direct. Anyways, that's just my thoughts but your proposal definitely sounds great too. Thanks for watching!
Yeah, I guess we have never had any ministers who gave a crap about anything other than Metro rail anyway, so what is another reject in the job who doesn't understand where the real economic engine of the state is.
@@facta-non-verba Incorrect and silly. You believe what’s wants done by their actions not their words. If they wanted people to move out there then they would build services out there. I mean yes, in theory they want people to leave those areas. But aren’t willing to do anything about it. And the attitude of the people in those areas do help. The government says they want people to stop smoking, so you believe them? Actions tell you who people/governments are, not worlds.
@UCaeePiZ7ybc95UGHtu-LiEw what a load of rubbish. The only reason it has taken so long to establish regional communities is because of the refusal to build transport. Do you think the United Stated built the railroads for their cities? That is wrong. The US prospered because large populations grew along the train line. If there is no train line regional areas die. Everyone except farmers move to the city, house prices explode and everything crashes. Sound familiar? This could have been fixed. Could still be, it will not. Because politician own investment properties in capital cities and do no want house prices to fall.
There was a shift in mentality. The private car took over in the 1950s when there was a growing middle class who could afford it. Along with that typically came lower density housing as people were able to live further away from the CBD. Ridership on public transport typically went down. Of course ridership has gone back up since the early 90s but that's only because population growth has made driving unattractive now. The problem today is that we're all wishing that we had more rail, but most of us still want to live in low density urban sprawl. It just doesn't work that way.
I think a real problem is that the state government hates the train unions, and so they want metro lines that are separate so they can force down costs for train salaries. They also know that the city loop and harbour crossings are congested, and so extra separation is nessicary, and metro tunnels are cheaper to bore.
Sharath, I love your passion and your ambition. Transport in general and public transport in particular are so difficult to retro-fit into any city, especially a sprawling and growing city like Sydney. It seems as though transport is always playing catch-up with urban development. Transport corridors are rarely set aside and we often find public transport is being squeezed into and onto the road network. Future city planning should ideally incorporate plans for future public transport and set aside the necessary transport corridors. Trying to fix existing problems is almost impossible and too expensive.
Yeah, I agree a lot of these proposals are difficult to build. Truly, this system was meant to be sort of like an absolute best-case scenario; they're all possible to build, even though they are expensive. But the good news that you'd be happy to hear is that the corridor from Aerotropolis to Macarthur has been reserved. The government seems to be learning from its mistakes to some extent, although it remains to be seen what the future holds.
@@frankbanner8572 not too expensive, frankly, it would be impossible or take at least a 100 years for all the lines to be constructed from the money which needs to be allowed for one line from design to execution and then not to mention labour, distances involved, political will, unnecessary stops and lines and geographical obstacles. Its a well made video and proposal but entirely fantastical. Of all the lines, the South-East line strikes me as poor planning. The stops after Moore Park to Kingsford are already serviced by the light rail which continue into the CBD but would also make logistical sense to continue on to little bay instead of a whole new metro line, A stop at the Art Gallery would be highly unlikely due to the surround area either bring housing or parks neither of which would be destroyed for a stop at an art gallery. Conversely, the continuation of the line from Bondi down through bronte, clovelly, coogee, randwick, kingsford, eastlakes, mascot and then linking back to the new metro at sydenham makes more sense to me personally.
@@murraykitson1436 For some time there has been an open secret that the current Kingston (Canberra) Railway Station is to be demolished and a new station built further to the east at Fyshwick so that more housing can be built over the then vacated station and rail yard area. This would also include the removal of the railway museum as well!
@@steam4eva How typical! Two possible solutions to this situation present themselves: 1 A light rail link from whatever heavy rail station eventuates to the city.2 The construction of the much anticipated high speed railway which, if electrified, could run through a tunnel into the CBD without the problem of diesel fume pollution in a confined space.
There is too much American style development (strip malls and housing estates) going on in Western Sydney and even Central Coast. They don’t care about building nice cities, or the people that end up living there, just making money. This is why this city is like it is. The planners have lost control and the money is not there for huge infrastructure, only toll roads and the odd metro line. I like your ideas and hope someone works out how to change how our city is run, as it clearly hasn’t been run properly for decades, only small sections run by local mayors. It needs a larger vision, or at least better conversation with us about short, medium and long term plans.
Went for a drive to Marsden Park, and it reminded me of suburbs in America where I lived for 2 years - concrete, asphalt and square blocks with no rail or Metro connection. Modern and nice, but not pretty and convenient.
Couple of fun things for you: - Currently Sydney Metro WSA and Sydney Metro North West won't be compatible. The only reason that Sydney Metro North West isn't 25kV/AC is because of the ECRL - they looked at doing that, but the tunnel linings were never designed to take AC current, and as a result would corrode badly. - The Department of Planning has reserved a corridor to take Sydney Metro North West to Marsden Park as you noted, but no further, due to major issues. Shane's park will be incredibly unlikely to get a rail service, because it is expected to be so low density, because of flooding and other issues. - Taking over the GLRL is not confirmed - that only occured because of a Federal Government commitment under the Morrison Government. With a new Federal Government who knows? - Sydney's rail network isn't actually that radial - as there are so many connections between lines in the suburbs (albeit most do go to the city) - and it is also why Sydney has the highest amount of non-cbd trips by rail in ANZ. - Your comment about Chatswood to Parramatta - the 545 between Chatswood and Parramatta gets significant patronage for this link, and is faster than going into the CBD. yes, rail would be faster, but at a significant price... As a side note you really do seem to be missing the idea of high frequency, high speed bus services - the only reason i mention this is that there are cities overseas, which move more than 50,000 passengers per day by a single high frequency bus route. As a fun fact, some years (pre covid) the Sydney Harbour Bridge bus lane in the AM peak, actually moved more commuters than the adjacent North Shore Line - which actually does show a proper bus service with high frequency can be utilised at a higher rate than the rail network. Brisbane also has this with the South-Eastern Busway. That busway moves far more passengers than the generally parallel Beenleigh line. - Some of the routings you have proposed aren't quite feasible, even with Metro able to do 1:25 grades (which standard rail can also do but digression) - With slight modifications and changes to operational practices, you could get from Parramatta to Central on the existing Sydney Trains alignment in 15minutes. - Lurnea, Hoxton Park, and Austral actually have quite high density zonings along Hoxton Park Road... - Some apartment buildings have already been built in this corridor. - The Northern Beaches actually has one of the highest job containments in Sydney. Pre Covid it was hovering around 75% of all people in the Northern Beaches, worked in the Northern Beaches region... - Going via The Spit for a railway line is incredibly challenging - Bradfield originally had a line through this area. It had a spiral on the Mosman side to get acceptable grades, and ironically a zig zag on the Seaforth side. Given the horrific blowback from even replacing The Spit bridge with a higher level bridge, it is very unlikely that you could ever get a railway line through this area. It's even why the Christie report went from Chatswood... - Final thing i will say about the proposal, is that you are looking at about 100-200 billion worth of new rail lines (Sydney - Parramatta metro currently is far beyond the proposed budget). All of the things that you have said are very worthwhile and i agree with the lot - but whether the NSW Government would ever have the fortitude to replicate what the current Victorian Government is doing is very questionable... Don't take this as criticism as i agree with the lot - but whether it happens is another matter.
the northern beaches line is going to be an challange. their is going to be changes to the area adn yes it is good but i think the line really needs to stop at dee why. collorary have problems and then where is an station going to be built and we have the park near the beach and people will opposed the line on the northern beaches.
@@beckster3388 I'll bite..? Why do they need more than buses with decent priority - or even bringing back a light rail. Low patronage demand. And let's be honest, if you got a decent high capacity ferry (say 2,000) which does the trip manly to circular Quay in 20 min, which runs every 10 min 0600-2200 - the capacity issue is solved. Those who want a train can go via Chatswood. Those who want a quick trip can go by the ferry. Those who don't want to go on water can take a slower bus to North Sydney or track up to the result link to Chatswood
“Underplan today, tunnel tomorrow” The focus on hub and spoke is the biggest problem. Our big CBD being on the east means every line ends there, but Parramatta is a much more feasible hub for the CBD with its actually central location.
@originalsusser it's not west but. That's the thing as a cronulla resident I welcome more people to have easier access to my beautiful suburb... why wouldn't I want to share it with everyone.
As someone on The Northern Beaches, any metro would likely run through Frenchs Forest via Northern Beaches Hospital to Chatswood from Dee Why and Brookvale. I suggest this as it would follow a rocky ridge and there will be enough people in Frenchs Forest, Dee Why and Brookvale to consider it. FYI there is a rezoning happening in Brookvale to increase the residential density along Pittwater Road at the moment. Some of the worst NIMBYs are frankly dying but metro from Dee Why through Narrabeen to Mona Vale won't happen because it's a sandbar, so would be way too expensive to build.
I was screaming at the computer for Chatswood. Makes more sense as there's much more connectivity at Chatswood (Metro and regular Sydney trains services)
As a fellow geography nerd, videos like this warm my heart. I hope to see a functional Sydney someday with a world class urban transit system... but for now I am happier living away from it!
Heya, have you thought to send this to TfNSW/your state rep/the local council? Would love to get some official eyes on it and see what could happen! In fact, a call-to-action in the pinned comment to share with local state reps might be worthwhile! Edit: Have emailed to my state rep. Hopefully somebody in her office will see it, or at minimum checks a box that says "constituent wants more rail infrastructure"
I was going to say the same thing! I've done this once, but I'm going to ask my state rep again. This time, for some improvement with Parramatta Road, which is currently a stroad (something covered in Sharath's later video). Once I am done, I can send that to you as a template of what I've written.
We need a fast train connecting the two airports. Imagine all the connections between people flying into and connecting out of another airport. Also a stop at Liverpool is a must as it is Sydney's third CBD and exactly between the two airports. Lots of hotels are being constructed there right now which will also give options.
"and then we'll put a station in Collaroy, quite close to the beach. This would really open it up to tourism" and this is exactly why locals would not want this line :') also the production on this video is incredible
why would the locals not want it? genuine question btw. wouldnt it be better with a rail way cuz more tourism? not like many people new will move there because it costs more than west syd
Unfortunately for any of these routes to be built, will require massive funding. This is something that a relatively small population (compared to London, NYC, Paris etc) can't afford. The One route that is needed more than any other, is a high speed direct rail between the Airports of Western Sydney and Mascot. To truly capitalize on having two international airports we need this connection, otherwise we end up a long slow transfer between the two, similar to Melbourne's Avalon to Tullamarine (approx 2.5hrs for 52kms) and more than likely congested trains and buses to shuffle your luggage around on
Wow - you have put so much energy and effort into completely fixing Sydney's transport system and doing it properly! Amazing work - Urban Planner Extrordinaire! It is a lot of fixes, but over time it's doable, we just need to find successive Govts who have forethought and a will to make a difference.
Firstly I congratulate Sharath on his excellent presentation and visions for Sydney Transport Network. As an ex-Sydney sider (now in residing in the worst city on earth for public transport, Houston Texas), I still have my heart and home still in Redfern and love travelling the world's train networks. I also agree on having connectivity to satellite growth cities and currently, Australia lacks this in a huge way. It is critical to the economy, growth and preserving a better lifestyle that a High-Speed Rail network connects Newcastle to Sydney / Parramatta /Wollongong and the Airports are more critical and are financially more sustainable for the future. Yes filling the gaps in the Sydney network is obviously for the future and Sharath has done a fantastic job in this presentation which I would hope comes to fruition when Sydney becomes as densely populated as London, Paris or Hong Kong. Following the Asian model of building hubs and having business and Residential centres above the station boxes is an excellent way to finance these projects. Sydney's geology and topography are challenging and tunnelling is not always beneficial, incorporating light rail as the Dulwich line is an excellent example and extending this say on the Northern Beaches from Chatswood via a loop to Hornsby and again from Bondi to La Perouse back via the current Randwick line would be far better in reality. Still, so many fantastic suggestions from this presentation and most are a no-brainer for Western Sydney and the growth centres, perhaps the inner suburbs would may be better suited to fast light rail through the hills, bays and awkward terrain. The Metro is more viable to link High-Density centres Like Hurstville to Parramatta for example, non the less, your wonderful vision has to be financed.
Sydney's Northern beaches can be more easily serviced by rail by taking a spur line from Gordon generally by tunnels/overhead viaducts following the Lane Cove Road & Mona Vale Roads . These are the areas now ear-marked for future residential development. This would help minimise the number of additional cars on the local roads.Mona Vale would be the main terminus, with possible extension north towards Palm Beach & south towards Narrabeen & Collaroy, then onto Brookvale, Frenchs Forest, Roseville, Chastwood. There is nothing wrong in using commuter bus links to service other areas off this loop.
@@bluestreak55au Sydney Tram network was far bigger than what are L1 L2 & L3 now. Northern Beaches had trams in last century but 1 day NSW decided to burn trams to make it NO WAY BACK. Wynyard Station had space for trams to go on now CaHill Expressway on Syd Harbour Bridge. Gold Coast used to have 'South Coast Line' of QLD too.
@@bluestreak55au Right in front of both side Syd Harbour National Park, which are Manly & Watsons Bay, had trams but unfortunately all became charcoal & scrap metal.
There's no doubt this would be the ultimate upgrade to transport (and commerce) for our city. Just one problem $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. It's politics vs policy. When it's something that takes this long to build, politics wins out 99% of the time. Govts don't generally fork out the mega-dosh for things that won't be completed for decades after they were in power. I've mulled over such things for decades whilst looking at maps of Sydney - but you've got the intelligence, the wherewithal and the motivation to make such an excellent presentation. Great video.
So much effort has gone into this extensive plan. Even if it took a hundred years to complete, line by line Sydney would be transformed into a city of the future.
I believe that we could (COULD!) build it in, say, 30 years. But you are absolutely right. What it takes is to have a plan, and then to START implementing that plan ... and stick to it! (I hesitate to say 'no matter how long it takes', because that just allows pollies an 'out' to just keep pushing it back). We have had plans in the past (not necessarily good plans, but plans none the less), but the govt of the day keeps wanting to change them, and eventually just drops them. End result? Nothing happens. But, the rampant NIMBYism that is so much part of our society, unfortunately means that, 30 years from now, a new generation will be facing exactly the same problems that we are today. So, Gen Z voters, it is over to you ... 'cause us oldies aren't going to be alive long enough to see the change, and therefore make the change.
I've had a look at this in the PDF and just what we need. Not sure where your Schofields to Macarthur line runs but surely we need more around St Clair it's a massive suburb both residential and with the industrial at Erskine Park. I love how you have done the Metro past Bankstown to the new Airport. I really believe the new Airport can define Chris Minns as a Premier and define his legacy. This is his chance under the Airport guise to finally get our Rail and Motorway systems right. Rail in terms of Sydney and even exiting Sydney. I read on another platform & page someone commenting about the lack of trains to popular tourist spot Mudgee and most people who travel there go to drink wine. So there's another on the trains front to look at. You have covered the trains so beautifully now let me get to my passion - motorways connecting Sydney and connecting regional towns/areas either side of Sydney. Newcastle our 7th biggest city in Australia has one road that links it to our 2nd biggest city in Sydney and no clear link to Wollongong our 11th biggest. Central Coast in between Sydney and Newcastle is our 11th biggest city. Sydney to Newcastle has an M11 link that's more designed for Newcastle to Western Sydney and Canberra in an 80km zone. We can do better than just one that's a band aid job. - the proposed M9 should be starting from the F6 (Princes Motorway), going in line with Appin & Picton Roads to the new Airport, working northwards past Penrith, towards Windsor and continue along the Putty Road linking with the Hunter Expressway (M15), proposed Singleton Bypass and Golden Highway. This gives Western commuters another way of getting to Newcastle, Hunter and New England taking the pressure off the F3 (now M1). Golden Highway to be upgraded to motorway standard between M15 and 1-3km past the M9 interchange, the M15 to continue onwards to the Singleton Bypass. An upgrade if it hasn't been done to John Renshaw Drive allowing a dual carriage way between M15 and M1 for Taree bound commute. - look at the original M7 Orbital proposal that had the M7 joining the F3 at Mt White. This pushes the new Airport traffic away from the worst part of the F3, M2 and M11 freeing them up. Allows a better commute to Gosford and Newcastle from all parts of Sydney & surrounds. - extending the M2 to the M9 as part of a proposal decades ago and land is there. - linking Bells Line of Road to the M9 and M7 covering the growth in North-West and better links to the Blue Mountains region. Upgrade Bells Line of Road to take pressure off the Highway that goes through Springwood, Katoomba and Blackheath. - extend the M11 to the A6 Silverwater Road the tunnel is an easy thing to do this makes the M11 not a white elephant but a key road for Sydney Olympic Park for the major events it holds. Even though it's not a full motorway to the M4 does provide a key link to get to both airports. Upgrade the Heathcote Road side of the A6 which can in some areas be motorway conditions until Padstow again a key link to the M5 that provides connection to both airports. - not sure on the best route but the F3 north of Wahronga and the F6 at Waterfall needs to be connected whether this is one mega expressway with lots of tunnel features or connecting to various major roads turning them into motorways and connecting to roads like the Harbour Tunnel, the new M6 and all that is one for better minds than me this. With the Pacific & Princes M1's linking (F3-F6) and the M7/M9 this now gives two connections from Newcastle/Central Coast to Wollongong/South Coast. Some out of Sydney options: - Upgrade of Bells Line of Road to allow another passage way to areas like Lithgow, Bathurst and Mudgee bypassing Katoomba. - Duplication of the Great Western Highway from Katoomba to Bathurst. - Newcastle Inner City Bypass to better link to the Hunter Expressway M15, new M1 at Hexham, the Nelson Bay turn off via Stockton the upgrade from Swansea to F3 at Doyalson Interchange the framework is there for it to be done. Nothing can be done from Caves Beach to Belmont. - Another link from the Princes to Hume motorways this time south of Wollongong probably around Albion Park or Dapto areas take pressure off the Wollongong and Bulli areas and can be used as a key link to both the Airport and Canberra. - Riverina to South Coast via Canberra - Wagga Wagga is the states largest inland city (not including Canberra) and needs to be further encouraged as the unofficial NSW/VIC border. Canberra is Australia's biggest bubble and every side of it is NSW with only a link to Yass (currently under development) and a great road to Goulburn, Southern Highlands, M5 & M7. Canberra people would leave the ACT for a weekend in a heartbeat if it had better roads in NSW to venture onto. Bring all our tolls under the one umbrella and one pricing structure that it's consistent across all of NSW. Doesn't matter what motorway we are on we have the one pricing structure designed by KM's driven as the M7 once was. Doesn't matter if you cross between M7 to M2 to M11 etc. This can be achieved with how the tags are now done. Have a daily max limit and and weekly max limit. Eg $13 daily, $60 weekly. When I visited Mt York near Blackheath. I read an interesting sign. It took just 28 men to build a road from Emu Plains to Bathurst in only 6 months without the technology we have today. We barely get a map proposal done within 6 months today despite everything at our disposal. We can turn NSW into a mega hub where City-West-South-North-Newcastle-Wollongong-Canberra all link with such ease and out of regions like South Coast, Blue Mountains, Central Tablelands and New England.
I think this had a lot of information about improving the rail networks to new areas, but some more existing areas needed more connections such as the International Airport, Liverpool and City Circle. Every other proposal is spot on!
Totally agree, there are still existing sections we could improve on. We should have Clearways 2.0. 1. A third pair of tracks between Lidcombe/Flemington and Blacktown via Parra/Westmead, and completely separate Inner West/South/Cumberland, Western, and Intercity services. I also say extend Inner West services to Blacktown and rename it as Western Local. Most likely, this would be a new tunnel (unless if we can make use of compulsory acquisition) and would be for Western or Blue Mountains Lines to eliminate station building. 2. I'd either extend T4 Eastern Suburbs to Bondi (Beach), or revisit the original plan and extend to Coogee and Five Ways. If water pressure and crowding near Bondi Beach is a problem, just place the station a couple of streets further away. 3. Totally agree with extending the Metro from Bankstown to Liverpool. I think Liverpool should be another mini-CBD. On a related note, I also wouldn't mind extending the quadding from Revesby to Holsworthy, and extend local services to Casula/Liverpool. (Exp would still go to Glenfield/Macarthur.)
Definitely on the money with some of these proposed routes. Bear in mind that Sydney Metro is meant to operate as a rapid/efficient service so the chances of getting as many stations along some of these routes as you propose is very unlikely. The idea is that Sydney Metro stations each serve as a transport interchange in their own right, meaning there is a greater focus on multi-modal transfers and interchange to connect each station to the surrounding residential areas, rather than having a literal station in every residential neighbourhood possible.
2 changes. The Parramatta to Aerotropolis line should take over the Glenfield branch in lieu of the st Mary’s to Glenfield option, so that you can have separation of lines. Second, the northern beaches should be an extension of the Hurstville to Macquarie Park line, and include the French’s Forest Austlink, area to Dee Why, then head south with a branch to Manly from Brookvale. The line should continue toward Victoria Cross but interchange, not join. This would eliminate the direct train line fears but still provide access.
Hi u might want to look at linking macarthur to wollongong for faster access to the west from the gong. Plus theres soooo many curves after curves at helensburgh which they need to build tunnel or reroute to save lots of minutes on waterfall to wollongong line
would a macarthur to wollongong line use the incomplete corridor to donbarton? it seems to not be very winding, which is good since you don't want to go too slowly through the bush where the rail serves no stations. It would be cool if they did make one station in the middle of the bush for that wondabyne charm.
Sharath, I have ALWAYS thought, from the moment I heard about the Parramatta Metro, that it should've followed your Victoria Rd route, as as crowded as it maybe, Parramatta is adequately served by the existing heavy rail.
Just a heads up in March I am planning to ride the entire rail network stopping at every station in a day. Let me know if you are interested in doing something around that.
A bit of a missed opportunity on the SE line- you could have looped it back around through Botany and Eastlakes, ending with an interchange at Mascot. I used to live in Botany and it was so frustrating getting into the city, or to other areas of the Eastern Suburbs. There was only 2 bus routes through the area. It is becoming a very high density area and would benefit greatly from a rail link to the city.
Tell me about it, I grew up in the blue mountains. While it’s nice to have the line we have, regional services need to get better. Especially places like Newcastle, they need their light rail expanded and a line connecting nearby towns like Cessnock across to Raymond Terrace, airport and then Medowie
i took it when it was the m41 from hurstville into top ryde and yeah it was a day trip. bit like the frequent trips i used to take on the m92 from padstow to parramatta, or the even slower m91. in some cases it is actually quicker to take a train all the way into the city and then another one back out. these routes would be a good candidate for improving the road network for buses as a cheaper alternative to building metros (there just isnt enough demand atm). extra bus lanes, priority traffic lights etc would all improve these routes.
19:58 you have no idea how much I want a train station at cecil hills. It takes over 2 hours to get into the city with a 40 minute bus ride to the closest station.
21:40 Liverpool *town* centre? Liverpool has been a CITY for more than 150 years, with a population similar to Parramatta, covering an area (305 km2), significantly larger than Parramatta, having more room to grow in the future. So it deserves rail access probably more than anywhere else in Western Sydney.
Hey Sharath thanks for the big effort put in this video! Really loved the ideas of building metro lines around roads that I usually use (A3 and Victoria Road), and I very much agree that Ryde (and Top Ryde City) should be connected with rail For me another potential proposal would be from Camden to Sutherland Shire via Macarthur, which would be going under and bypassing the Holsworthy military area, I think this would shorten a lot of time used between the Shire and Campbelltown Camden regions Also there can be a line from North Ryde (or Macquarie Park) to Manly via Lane Cove, Chatswood, Willoughby and Balgowlah, to get Lane Cove, Willoughby, Manly and the famous Manly Beach rail stops
I don't imagine the military would like that hahaha. In theory a good idea, but I can't really see it being built because it's such a long distance to go without any stations. I did consider extending my A3 line, but I cut it short because I think it's already a bold enough proposal without making it too long and implausible!
Local resistance isn't the biggest barrier to development in the Northern Beaches. Take your route from Mosman to Seaforth, unless you want to build Australia's deepest tunnel or tallest bridge you'll have to navigate metro trains from Mosman ridge (~60m elevation), down across Manly spit, and back up to Seaforth (also ~60m elevation), a grade of ~ 1:15 / 1:10. The route is pushing the limits of road gradients let alone railway ones. The geography of the area would make rail infrastructure crazy expensive, which is why a rail route across Middle Harbour has never been seriously considered.
Interesting video. I used to live in Sydney and now live in Melbourne. Your suggestions are quite impressive and I really hope someone in the Sydney transport takes notice. Incidentally, one other area that badly needs heavy rail is Belfield, which seems to have been completely forgotten. Also, reopening the area on the eastern side of the Harbour Bridge with either heavy or light rail, using the former tramway corridor across the bridge through to Wynyard (Platforms 1 and 2) would really make a difference. Then, there is a corridor, that was previously used by trams to La Perouse and most of the reservation is still there. This could easily be used by heavy or light rail. Anyway, I hope the right people up there see your videos and use your suggestions, which could really improve Sydney's transport dramatically. Wishing you all the very best.
Great video with a vision Sharath. Planning from whole to the part. It is not hard to see the time and effort that has gone into making this comprehensive video. Keep up the good work.
i reckon the existing sydney trains leppington lines being extended to the new airport would work better cus it would be a direct line to central or parra from the airport without having to interchange
Can't believe I've only just discovered your channel now! I've never subscribed so fast! Great to see some love for the South West. Having a line between the new airport all the way through to Macarthur would completely change the dynamic and stress of main roads like Camden Valley Way and Narellan Road, while giving far better access to Oran Park Town Centre, Narellan Town Centre and the Australian Botanical Gardens in Mount Annan. I now live overseas, but to one day see a world where this region has your proposed line, brings warmth to my heart.
Love your visions! I have always wondered why the rail network is so lacking in Sydney and you’ve answered my question! While your proposals look great in theory, you probably already know that so many factors go into creating transport solutions, topography being one of the main ones (along with resources, finance etc etc) as l said, love your ideas and would be great to see them come to life one day!
Have you forgotten the MAIN FACTOR?? The MASSIVE COST ?? While his proposals are certainly comprehensive, he has given NO CONSIDERATION to the cost!! These metro lines and their stations cost an absolute FORTUNE, as we are finding out with the cost of the current 2 Sydney Metro lines under construction. The stations themselves are particularly expensive, which is why the new Metro lines have so few, compared with the old stations on the heavy rail network. The total cost for all his proposed lines and stations would be in the order of $100-200 billion!!!!! Mind boggling!! And take 60-80 yrs to build!!
By the time you are my age (73) you have a chance of getting most of this proposal done. You also missed Dee Why, French's Forest, Chatswood, Macquarie University, Epping, part of the Epping to Parramatta railway line.
Excellent. I remember the old "red rattlers" in Sydney they were hot noisy and slow the network may have expanded and the rollingstock updated but Sydney suburban trains are still like slow motion.
The Illawarra Line needs some attention. It's only two tracks until you reach Hurstville leaving it vulnerable to disruption (as it is notorious for) and having to work with freight trains coming up from Port Kembla.
Excellent video Sharath. Anyone who has lived in Sydney for long enough will attest, the biggest issue with your plan, or any decent public transport plan, is politics. It's bad enough that the NSW Govt keeps bringing Brits in to run the network, a nation whose network is somewhat worse than Sydney's, especially in London itself, but we have successive governments in NSW, govts of all stripes, obsessed with toll roads, roads that actually bring income into the govt, whereas rail just costs the govt.
Yes you're exactly right. Our government need to focus far more on rail than they do on roads. I really hope we turn a corner on that soon, especially with the WestConnex finally nearly done.
an additional line that makes tonnes of sense is a norwest-blacktown-western airport line, the metro curves at norwest like its jsut begging for an extension through there
Something to note is the T9 will most likely be reintegrated into the T1 once the Metro reaches the city from Chatswood. As currently T9 trains may not terminate at Gordon and sometimes travel through from Gordon back to Hornsby the quick way.
One of the other problems with radial networks is the reliance on shared lines and the continuance from one line to another via the city circle, so a major disruption at say Strathfield massively impacts not only every line going through there but other lines that eventually feed off of there as well.
Great video. As a Wollongong resident the Illawara line REALLY needs a tunnel from Stanwell Park to Helensburgh/Waterfall. The current service limit due to the single line stretches and dual use with freight/coal need to be addressed.
Lots of this feels copy and paste from the 2056 plan, and faces alot of the same problems: -Needs a direct line from Nancy Bird to Kingsford, it doesnt make sense to require multiple changes to get between airports. -Requires an interchange to get from the city to Bondi beach. Why can't the ESL be extended instead? (its literally the busiest bus route in the city) Also your M1 line has 3 north branches, and 1 southern branch, that doesn't look right. But i do really like the Victoria and Beaches lines as ideas, especially as it doesnt require another metro harbour tunnel. (Also the 197 does the north section of the A3, and you forgot the grey interchange cirle at Chatswood 😉)
The different voltages on the Western Airport Metro and the Sydenham to Tallawong Metro is unconscionable. It virtually GUARANTEES problems in running a unified system, or even expanding it in the way you sensibly suggest. I think it shows far more of an ideology of semi/total privatisation and setting up commercial patches for the operators, than actually making a system that serves its USERS. The only way around this would be dual-voltage metros (certainly possible, but added complication). But it does NOT have to be this way. There is not even the excuse of inheriting or using private Metros from different companies (as in somewhere like Tokyo). This is the same government authority that has approved both (and would approve a 3rd joining line ) BEFORE the fact. These are meant to be run FOR the government, which is meant to serve the people and which supposedly will take them over (or something) eventually. There is simply no excuse for it. Ditto for the nonsensical proposal to run Metro from Glenfield to the WS airport. It would make far more sense to continue the TRAIN line to the WS Airport and interchange with the Metro there. This would allow convenient inter-airport traffic, which will certainly be necessary. Nobody wants to be lugubriously lugging luggage at Glenfield for an unnecessary change. Mr Bradfield the namesake for part of the airport development, would be sick at the sight of such nonsense.
The voltage issue might not be an absolute killer. Consider the Tsukuba Express which uses dual-voltage trains. Agree that the airports should absolutely be linked by a single service.
@@darrenbellion7320 Yes that's true, and some HSTs in Europe use *3* voltages/pickups. That would just leave the issue if different door spacings, which have to be accommodated NY platform doors. I dunno if they would / could match.
Comment: 25KvAC systems are significantly cheaper to build and maintain than 1500vDC systems. It is unconscionable to keep building old expensive systems when there are better alternatives, especially on separate lines where inconsistency does not arise as an issue.
You have a flaw in this. Major parts of Sydney would be the city, Parramatta, Chatswood, Liverpool, Campbelltown, and Penrith. You left out Penrith as Penrith will be what Parramatta is now. Parramatta is the central point which will be shopping based sort of city. The city it self is more based on the economic side. The government should of put a line from Richmond to Penrith to the new airport and then to Campbelltown.
CBD, Parramatta, Chatswood, Macquarie Park, Norwest, Bankstown, Liverpool, Hurstville/Kogarah, Aerotropolis/Bradfield, are the big future hubs. Penrith won't grow as much as these areas because there isn't as much potential for development due to the floodplain and more focus on the new Aerotropolis which is in a better location to be a future centre. Richmond/Windsor is an example of a part of Sydney that has effectively peaked already, again due to the floodplain. Penrith is already well-deserved by heavy rail. The most it will get is more bus services, or a light rail line (that's really pushing it).
I reckon don’t turn the Leppington line into metro but extend the heavy rail from Leppington to the new Airport since the T2 line won’t agree with changing it into metro plus the Melbourne XPT borrows the T2 line at Glenfield station so it can overtake the T8 train at Glenfield and if it gets turned into metro the XPT will be stuck behind the T8 train.
Hurstville or Kogarah to Parramatta (via Bankstown) is a massive no brainer. Then extend the line north further to link up at Castle Hill. It will connect south, west, and north west and make Western Sydney finally navigable.
Love your ambition! Support a lot of these initiatives - but would truly love signal system upgrades on the heavy rail system to support increased frequencies 1st. Best bang for buck.
It would finally be almost as good as London's rail network. London transport is the standard we all need to aspire to. I would add a Mona Vale to Chatswood line.
I'd say it fixes a lot of the West but it may have been a bit myopic in that regard, the south east metro line could easily be terminated at La Perouse instead of Little Bay at which point a ferry can service between Kurnell and La Perouse as is seen in the government's proposal, additionally, the East would be significantly better connected to the rest of Sydney with a line between Malabar on the video's proposal and proceeding to the airport with likely stops at Matraville, and somewhere inbetween Pagewood and Botany.
I think your okanning was thorough and your placement and route ideas are excellent, but at a (conservative) pricetag of 500 billion dollars, it's never going to happen.
As someone who lives in Ryde, getting home from the T9 line from the city is absolutely hell when deciding at which station to get off to catch a bus home. Your proposed M5 and M6 lines would do absolute wonders for transport from the T9 line, as well as connecting Ryde to the current Tallawong to Chatswood metro, and connecting Ryde to Sydney Olympic Park. Access to Sydney's inner west would also be greatly improved. I've been a fan of your channel for a little while as the Sydney train network is something that I have always found interesting and if you're putting a petition forward for this, I am in 100% support. Sydney would definitely benefit from a more train and metro focus. Big fan man! Unfortunately, I'll probably be past retirement before we would see many major completions of future plans (confirmed or not), by government standards anyway haha.
Good video, and one that I have many opinions on (I've been working on a fantasy Sydney railway proposal for years). If you don't mind some criticism of your network, here are some thoughts I have: You haven't talked much about converting existing train lines to automated metro lines. The one line in your plan that is converted is the South West Rail Link, but this is not a very good candidate considering the platforms at Leppington and Edmondson Park are built for 8-car trains and not the 4-car trains that would operate on the Western Sydney Airport line, plus the way it has a good grade-separated interchange at Glenfield. It would be better to extend this Sydney Trains line to Bradfield where it would meet the line from Parramatta, which would also avoid branching on the main Western Sydney Airport line. There are other train lines in Sydney that it would be more possible to convert to Metro operation though; lines discussed include the Airport Line between Revesby and Central, and the Eastern Suburbs and Illawarra line north of Hurstville. While there are advantages and disadvantages of those conversions, they are worth thinking about. You need to consider more how different modes of transport complement eachother. Building two lines to cover the same corridor can be pretty wasteful if they don't cover significantly different kinds of trips. Some of your lines are very similar to existing or under-construction light rail lines, and in those situations, there needs to be a reason you'd take the tram and a reason you'd take the train. If there isn't, then an alternate route should be chosen to expand coverage. Interchange stations are especially important for connectivity and development, and some on your network are oddly placed, particularly on the Macquarie Park to Hurstville line. I like the frequency of stations in the low-density Western Sydney suburbs, but it's more likely the government would have the line skip those areas and just run feeder buses into more major Metro stations. The Marsden Park development is planned to extend further south with higher-density development, so the line there doesn't need to go so far north. Consider how branching affects service levels. Your M1 line has 3 branches in the north but only 1 in the south. This would make the northern branches have relatively infrequent service, while the Bankstown Line would get loads of trains. If there are branches they shouldn't come at the expense of good frequency. I really like the diagram; your graphic design skills are great!
Yes, those are all excellent points. Thank you for making them. The reason some interchange stations are probably not well chosen is I focused more on providing a direct route than logical interchanges; certainly with more research it could be determined which one is more important. The government will probably skip a lot of the Western Sydney stations I've chosen, but I really think they shouldn't; big gaps between stations aren't something I really like, and they should try to build more to provide as much access as possible. But so long as we don't have a repeat of 7km gaps like the Metro West I'll be happy. Yes, the branches were far from elegant; I just didn't know how else to incorporate the Epping-Parramatta and Northern Beaches Lines into the map. But you're right; an alternate solution would need to be found. I reckon the Northern Beaches Line could be its own line, maybe extending somewhere that I haven't thought of, like Sydney Airport. And yes, you're right about the light rail; my South-East Line does overlap a lot with their light rail. Something for me to consider next time! Anyways, thank you for your points and thank you for watching! Part of what will make this proposal even better is constructive feedback like yours :))
Quite an interesting (albeit ambitious) proposition. I like the effort that was put into this. If I was in charge of this project, here is how I would do it: Part 1: Tallawong to St Marys: - Given the differences in electrification between the two lines, I would make the interchange at Schofields as shown in the video. Part 2: Aerotropolis to Glenfield/Macarthur: - Given the area around Bringelly has its rail corridor already allocated for the land management in the area, I propose the Aerotropolis to Glenfield route to be covered by expanding the existing Sydney Trains Leppington line. - Aerotropolis to Macarthur by Metro and I would even go on to extend that Metro one stop north to Campbelltown on its own line as NSW TrainLink southern regional services stop at Campbelltown. Part 3: South-East: - T4 Line expansion to Bondi Beach. - Hunter Street to Little Bay Metro being the same as described. Parts 4 to 8: Epping-Parramatta, Norwest-Kogarah, Macquarie Park-Hurstville, Westmead-Aerotropolis & Bankstown-Aerotropolis: - Same as described in the video. Part 9: Victoria Park to Bondi: - The same T4 Line expansion I suggested for the South-East in Part 3 of my comment, the rest of it being identical to what’s described in the video. Part 10: Northern Beaches - Same as described.
A dream train map. I would have also included a link between Chatswood and Dee Why to accomodate the suburbs along Warringah Road like Frenchs Forest, which is basically inaccessible without a car.
I’d agree with the premise that there is a problem with Sydney’s rail network - getting into and out of the city isn’t an issue as u state, but I don’t agree with ur solution. Looks good on paper but many of the stations u suggest could in no way accomodate metro stations due to the lack of available and suitable space. Travel times wouldnt be much different to travelling by car and the cost of such a metro would be enormous. Also the usage of such a network could never justify the cost - Sydney rail, like most rail networks around the world are run at a loss and would need further subsidies to keep it running. That said, like u, I have always lamented that travelling across Sydney’s vast metro area is difficult by train because a commute involves heading towards the city first before being able to change lines and travel to the desired station. My solution would be to create a single additional rail line that joins all the existing lines at their midpoint in a “ring” around the city. The new rail line would connect at approximately the middle of each existing rail line starting at Hurstville, to Beverly Hills, then connecting to Bankstown, Cabramatta, Prairiewood, Blacktown, Carlingford, Epping and ending at Gordon. So that would involve the creation of one new station only, Prairiewood. This proposal means that it would be feasible to travel to and from outer suburbs in Sydney - in any direction- without having to travel towards the city first. It wouldn’t solve all the rail networks problems but it sure would be the best bang for your buck.
Love it. Except the issue with the Northern Beaches line is the geography between your Mosman and Seaforth stations. You'll need a helix on each side of middle harbour just to get down far enough to go under the water and back up the other side. Alternately, they could build a mega structure suspension bridge and include a road way too. Also there are other improvements too, like quad tracking the Parramatta River crossing, (the bridge abutments already exist), quad tracking St. Marys to Penrith plus add a new station for WSU. And a new direct fast rail from Emu Plains/St Marys thru the mountains to Lithgow and this would be double container height support and not necessarily electrified.
I am very Impressed with the Parramatta proposals especially the Epping connection, however even if such lines were built, I would be unlikely to see them without some miraculous life extending medical breakthrough!
I dunno about this whole metro-only thing. From my experience of using the MRT in Singapore over 13 years, you can never get seats on the bloody thing, especially in rush hour. Imagine standing all the way from Central to Bankstown, my knees shudder at the thought.
Now in the utopia state finally connect Mona Vale to North Ryde via Ingleside, Terrey Hills, Belrose, St Ives, Pymble (or Gordon), West Pymble. THEN you are finally done, as you have essentially a continuous Mona Vale to Hurstville line.
One more missing line. Bankstown directly south. Which is technically south east cos of the map design. I propose Bankstown, Revesby, Menai, Engadine. That way that hits 3 different train lines too.
Love your videos Sharath! If only what you proposed would actually be done! How awesome would our city be? small note: Marayong station not Marayoung :)
To be honest, given the number of pronunciation mistakes I normally make in a video, I'll take making one minor typo in a station I didn't even mention :) Thank you for watching!
Amazing video! One thing I (personally) would change is the Norwest to Kogarah line. I would say that instead of Kogarah, it should instead go into Hurstville. As it would interchange with the T4 and the metro line you metioned: Hurstville to Maquarie Park. Also, the link between Tallawong and Schofields is a bit more difficult because going above ground would mean it would crash into a bus interchange and carpark. I would tunnel it past Tallawong. But, all other things I agree with.
Hurstville is nice. Tallawong, not so. In order to avoid carparks that absorb valuable land near stations, tunneling (super expensive) is not a good idea
@@aaravyadav3748 Thats true. But, if there would be a sky bridge, the metro platforms part would be further away from the train platforms because carparks are on both sides
Disagree, Kogarah is a massive suburb with a hooming population on the eastern suburbs, to ignore it would only cause massive headaches for the locals who live there, also it would be much easier to connect at Kogarah from Bankstown then from hurtstville.
I wish the Shire wasn't always left out with these concept maps. I live near Sutherland but often have to commute to Penrith and it takes exactly twice as long on train than driving - really wish there was some sort of link connecting south east to south west, could also benefit Wollongong commuters going to Western Sydney as they suffer even more.
This is absolutely amazing Sharath! Do you mind if I start making videos on my channel similar to this? Also what do you use to edit? And what do you use to animate (eg. Sydney Metro & Trains Map Proposals) Anyways, congrats on 10K! 😊
Haha you're more than welcome to, it would be amazing to see more Sydney content which really has been the main aim of this channel. I use After Effects; steep learning curve but rewarding results!
Sharath, Well Done.. Your plans are exactly what Sydney needs.. Infact, its what a lot of Australia's major cities need.. Congratulations.. I hope someone in power sees this and enacts at least part of it.
Who's paying for all this? Public Transport is a money sink. Metro Stations are circa $350-$500m each, putting train station in arbitrary low density places may make for nice maps, but it's completely unrealistic. Parramatta to Epping makes much more sense for a Metro. Nobody in the CBD is going to by flying out of Western Sydney Airport. This Airport is for air freight and westies flying to Bali, Gold Coast and other such places.
There are some sensible lines in this video. But most of these suburbs will never need metro. Connecting parts of the west makes sense, as does bridging gaps.
You are brilliant. Next time i'm in sydney i'd love to buy you a coffee and explain my dreams when I was a kid. I'm 56 and run a very successful business in Melbourne. I'll pass this on to all my sydney freinds.
But what culture is in Parramatta (ok maybe Riverside theatre) what culture is in Chatswood? European cities you can head out 10-20km and find galleries, museums, a live music scene. Sydney needs to calm down pumping people into it and spend 10 years or so letting the facilities catch up All I'd like to see is an underground metro from Kings Cross to Newtown stopping at Art Gallery, CBD, Pyrmont, Glebe
While I very much agree with the Northern Beaches Line proposal, I would add some extra length to the beginning and end of the line. I would start from Chatswood, head south through Crows Nest and Victoria Cross, and then turn northeast onto your proposed line -- then, at Mona Vale, I would have the line turn west, with stops at Terrey Hills and St Ives (plus more stops in between) before heading back to Chatswood again. You could run the line as a pure loop service from Chatswood around, or as a balloon loop with trains starting at the city and heading either clockwise or counterclockwise from Victoria Cross. Also, to supplement this service, I would build a light rail line from Chatswood to Manly, roughly following Boundary Street and Warringah Road, turning southeast at Beacon Hill Road to interchange with the metro at Brookvale, and then following Pittwater Road all the way down to the Manly ferry wharf. Yes, the Northern Beaches NIMBYs would be apoplectic, but making NIMBYs' brains explode is usually fun and useful.
As someone who lives on the Northern Beaches, I love this idea. I’m incredibly sick of the lack of transport connections here (and almost everyone my age agrees). I’m a little concerned about the Light Rail line though. While it sounds good in practice, getting it down/up the hills on either side of the Roseville Bridge is going to be difficult - especially since it has a tendency to flood when it really pours.
@@macan94126 My plan there is basically to build a new bridge. Somewhere around the Ormonde Road Bridge, the light rail would break off from the centre of Warringah Rd and into a side alignment on the north side of the road. It would get its own dedicated bridge over Middle Harbour, much higher up than the Roseville Bridge (so no flooding risk and less height change), and then rejoin the Warringah Road centre alignment around the Valley Road intersection. This new bridge could also be straighter than the existing Roseville Bridge, so odds are good that some people might look at the plans and demand a new combined road/tram bridge instead of keeping cars on the Roseville Bridge. I'm not 100% against the idea but having the tram route be more direct than the car route is a wonderful way of convincing people to ride the tram.
We need at least connection between the Carlingford light rail station and the Epping rail and metro stations. Also a connection between the Parramatta light rail and Bella Vista metro stations, perhaps via the current bus transit lane
This plan is missing the massive rises of Rosebery particularly near Dalmeny Avenue which is too far for Mascot or Green Square, West Eastlakes, Daceyville, Pagewood, Botany. People I guess assume the South Eastern suburbs are small but with the rise of Rosebery particularly near Dalmeny (might be the most over density area in Sydney over m2 in 5 years time) the need.
The A3 is the perfect circumferential route, although I would extend it north east along A3 to stop at Gordon (interchange with T1), St Ives, Terrey Hills and Mona Vale
I wouldn’t be surprised if transurban had an input in not pushing the rail network to be circumferential as building this would take away from people using tolls to take the M2, M5 and M7 Also a metro from Sutherland to MacArthur would be nice as well
PDF TO OFFICIAL MAP: drive.google.com/file/d/1uiKVwWXw6__XhT6O798S_fLdKsKynP0u/view
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Hey! Took me a long time to make this video, I've been working on it on and off since October, but it's finally done. Hope you all enjoy it.
Just to mention how I didn't put the T3 line in, because the T3 line east of Bankstown is being converted to metro as part of the Sydney Metro Southwest, and the T3 west of Bankstown will join the T2 line. A new service will run between Liverpool and the City Circle via Regents Park, as well as and shuttle services between Bankstown and Lidcombe. Honestly, not a big fan of how the T3 line's conversion has been handled; strongly considering making a video about that sometime.
Anyways, hope you enjoyed the proposal :))
I'd be keen to hear your thoughts about the T3 conversion and what they should've done instead. On the Western Sydney Airport line, I remember being surprised to read that they're using 25 kV AC instead of 1500 V DC they're using everywhere else. Do you know why they chose 25 kV AC and whether they'd be using that for newer Metro lines? It seems weird they didn't go with that for the other Metro lines, my suspicion is the T3 conversion meant they went with 1500 V DC for the City & Southwest line, but that doesn't explain why they chose 1500 V DC for Metro West.
please make a vid about t3. i hate the conversion
What software did you use to make the maps? It's really professional!
Amazing video, what did you use to make the map?
Yes, I'd really like to go into the T3 conversion. Not sure about the electrification decisions unfortunately!
Whether all is realistic or not, it doesn't take away the fact that I have just spent 20 very exciting minutes watching your video. You put a lot of effort into it, and your enthusiasm is highly contagious!!!!
Awesome video Sharath, I'll vote for you to be the NSW Transport Minister any day!
Great suggestions to expand the network and plug some critical gaps in coverage. The Victoria Road & Bondi Line isn't one I'd considered before but really should be the next line constructed, plugging gaps in the Western Sydney Metro line such as Camellia and addressing a lot of highly dense suburbs which are close to the city and plagued by terrible traffic clogged routes, such as Gladesville, Drummoyne, Rozelle Broadway (U-SYD) and Glebe).
One suggestion on the Macquarie Park to Hurstville line, would it perhaps be better to go from South Strathfield to Strathfield (connection with the Western, Northern and Newcastle/Central Coast lines) then Concord, Mortlake, Putney and Ryde. The Concord peninsula is screaming out for better transport option, to me this alternate route provides better additional metro coverage than Flemington (already has a train station and Strathfield is a better alternative to transfer lines), Olympic Park (already served and getting better) and Wentworth Point (will get the Parramatta Light Rail Stage 2 - yeah I know).
I didn't choose Strathfield as it was a little out of the way to get to, although logistically speaking it would make more sense for sure. The route I chose was just more direct. Anyways, that's just my thoughts but your proposal definitely sounds great too. Thanks for watching!
I agree with you on that too.
Sharath, you'd get my vote for Transport minister any day too.
Yeah, I guess we have never had any ministers who gave a crap about anything other than Metro rail anyway, so what is another reject in the job who doesn't understand where the real economic engine of the state is.
@@facta-non-verba Incorrect and silly. You believe what’s wants done by their actions not their words. If they wanted people to move out there then they would build services out there. I mean yes, in theory they want people to leave those areas. But aren’t willing to do anything about it. And the attitude of the people in those areas do help. The government says they want people to stop smoking, so you believe them? Actions tell you who people/governments are, not worlds.
@UCaeePiZ7ybc95UGHtu-LiEw what a load of rubbish. The only reason it has taken so long to establish regional communities is because of the refusal to build transport. Do you think the United Stated built the railroads for their cities? That is wrong. The US prospered because large populations grew along the train line. If there is no train line regional areas die. Everyone except farmers move to the city, house prices explode and everything crashes. Sound familiar? This could have been fixed. Could still be, it will not. Because politician own investment properties in capital cities and do no want house prices to fall.
it's a real pity how Sydney hasn't built many new railway lines since the early 20th century.
and the current government is just building and proposing more Metro lines, nothing new for standard heavy rail.
Typical for former English colonies
@@qjtvaddict its getting bigger
There was a shift in mentality. The private car took over in the 1950s when there was a growing middle class who could afford it. Along with that typically came lower density housing as people were able to live further away from the CBD. Ridership on public transport typically went down. Of course ridership has gone back up since the early 90s but that's only because population growth has made driving unattractive now. The problem today is that we're all wishing that we had more rail, but most of us still want to live in low density urban sprawl. It just doesn't work that way.
I think a real problem is that the state government hates the train unions, and so they want metro lines that are separate so they can force down costs for train salaries.
They also know that the city loop and harbour crossings are congested, and so extra separation is nessicary, and metro tunnels are cheaper to bore.
Sharath, I love your passion and your ambition.
Transport in general and public transport in particular are so difficult to retro-fit into any city, especially a sprawling and growing city like Sydney. It seems as though transport is always playing catch-up with urban development. Transport corridors are rarely set aside and we often find public transport is being squeezed into and onto the road network.
Future city planning should ideally incorporate plans for future public transport and set aside the necessary transport corridors.
Trying to fix existing problems is almost impossible and too expensive.
Andrew I agree wholeheartedly with your comments. The main problem is that Sharath's proposals would be too costly or expensive as you have said
Yeah, I agree a lot of these proposals are difficult to build. Truly, this system was meant to be sort of like an absolute best-case scenario; they're all possible to build, even though they are expensive. But the good news that you'd be happy to hear is that the corridor from Aerotropolis to Macarthur has been reserved. The government seems to be learning from its mistakes to some extent, although it remains to be seen what the future holds.
@@frankbanner8572 not too expensive, frankly, it would be impossible or take at least a 100 years for all the lines to be constructed from the money which needs to be allowed for one line from design to execution and then not to mention labour, distances involved, political will, unnecessary stops and lines and geographical obstacles. Its a well made video and proposal but entirely fantastical.
Of all the lines, the South-East line strikes me as poor planning. The stops after Moore Park to Kingsford are already serviced by the light rail which continue into the CBD but would also make logistical sense to continue on to little bay instead of a whole new metro line, A stop at the Art Gallery would be highly unlikely due to the surround area either bring housing or parks neither of which would be destroyed for a stop at an art gallery. Conversely, the continuation of the line from Bondi down through bronte, clovelly, coogee, randwick, kingsford, eastlakes, mascot and then linking back to the new metro at sydenham makes more sense to me personally.
@@murraykitson1436 For some time there has been an open secret that the current Kingston (Canberra) Railway Station is to be demolished and a new station built further to the east at Fyshwick so that more housing can be built over the then vacated station and rail yard area. This would also include the removal of the railway museum as well!
@@steam4eva How typical! Two possible solutions to this situation present themselves: 1 A light rail link from whatever heavy rail station eventuates to the city.2 The construction of the much anticipated high speed railway which, if electrified, could run through a tunnel into the CBD without the problem of diesel fume pollution in a confined space.
There is too much American style development (strip malls and housing estates) going on in Western Sydney and even Central Coast. They don’t care about building nice cities, or the people that end up living there, just making money.
This is why this city is like it is.
The planners have lost control and the money is not there for huge infrastructure, only toll roads and the odd metro line.
I like your ideas and hope someone works out how to change how our city is run, as it clearly hasn’t been run properly for decades, only small sections run by local mayors.
It needs a larger vision, or at least better conversation with us about short, medium and long term plans.
Went for a drive to Marsden Park, and it reminded me of suburbs in America where I lived for 2 years - concrete, asphalt and square blocks with no rail or Metro connection. Modern and nice, but not pretty and convenient.
Nice, informative, well thought out and presented. Let's hope it gets visibility to those within TfNSW
Couple of fun things for you:
- Currently Sydney Metro WSA and Sydney Metro North West won't be compatible. The only reason that Sydney Metro North West isn't 25kV/AC is because of the ECRL - they looked at doing that, but the tunnel linings were never designed to take AC current, and as a result would corrode badly.
- The Department of Planning has reserved a corridor to take Sydney Metro North West to Marsden Park as you noted, but no further, due to major issues. Shane's park will be incredibly unlikely to get a rail service, because it is expected to be so low density, because of flooding and other issues.
- Taking over the GLRL is not confirmed - that only occured because of a Federal Government commitment under the Morrison Government. With a new Federal Government who knows?
- Sydney's rail network isn't actually that radial - as there are so many connections between lines in the suburbs (albeit most do go to the city) - and it is also why Sydney has the highest amount of non-cbd trips by rail in ANZ.
- Your comment about Chatswood to Parramatta - the 545 between Chatswood and Parramatta gets significant patronage for this link, and is faster than going into the CBD. yes, rail would be faster, but at a significant price... As a side note you really do seem to be missing the idea of high frequency, high speed bus services - the only reason i mention this is that there are cities overseas, which move more than 50,000 passengers per day by a single high frequency bus route. As a fun fact, some years (pre covid) the Sydney Harbour Bridge bus lane in the AM peak, actually moved more commuters than the adjacent North Shore Line - which actually does show a proper bus service with high frequency can be utilised at a higher rate than the rail network. Brisbane also has this with the South-Eastern Busway. That busway moves far more passengers than the generally parallel Beenleigh line.
- Some of the routings you have proposed aren't quite feasible, even with Metro able to do 1:25 grades (which standard rail can also do but digression)
- With slight modifications and changes to operational practices, you could get from Parramatta to Central on the existing Sydney Trains alignment in 15minutes.
- Lurnea, Hoxton Park, and Austral actually have quite high density zonings along Hoxton Park Road... - Some apartment buildings have already been built in this corridor.
- The Northern Beaches actually has one of the highest job containments in Sydney. Pre Covid it was hovering around 75% of all people in the Northern Beaches, worked in the Northern Beaches region...
- Going via The Spit for a railway line is incredibly challenging - Bradfield originally had a line through this area. It had a spiral on the Mosman side to get acceptable grades, and ironically a zig zag on the Seaforth side. Given the horrific blowback from even replacing The Spit bridge with a higher level bridge, it is very unlikely that you could ever get a railway line through this area. It's even why the Christie report went from Chatswood...
- Final thing i will say about the proposal, is that you are looking at about 100-200 billion worth of new rail lines (Sydney - Parramatta metro currently is far beyond the proposed budget).
All of the things that you have said are very worthwhile and i agree with the lot - but whether the NSW Government would ever have the fortitude to replicate what the current Victorian Government is doing is very questionable... Don't take this as criticism as i agree with the lot - but whether it happens is another matter.
the northern beaches line is going to be an challange. their is going to be changes to the area adn yes it is good but i think the line really needs to stop at dee why. collorary have problems and then where is an station going to be built and we have the park near the beach and people will opposed the line on the northern beaches.
@@beckster3388 It is why the Christie Report had the line go via Chatswood as it was more viable...
@@rogue265 agree but they need something for the north shore to the northern beaches
@@beckster3388 I'll bite..?
Why do they need more than buses with decent priority - or even bringing back a light rail.
Low patronage demand. And let's be honest, if you got a decent high capacity ferry (say 2,000) which does the trip manly to circular Quay in 20 min, which runs every 10 min 0600-2200 - the capacity issue is solved.
Those who want a train can go via Chatswood. Those who want a quick trip can go by the ferry. Those who don't want to go on water can take a slower bus to North Sydney or track up to the result link to Chatswood
Very intelligent comment, not just someone connecting dots on a map
“Underplan today, tunnel tomorrow”
The focus on hub and spoke is the biggest problem. Our big CBD being on the east means every line ends there, but Parramatta is a much more feasible hub for the CBD with its actually central location.
Making it possible for Westies to catch the train right into the Northern Beaches is the most beautiful proposal I have ever heard 😂😍
Lol
Will. Never. Happen.
Sure! Just like how Cronulla loves its 'Westie' line coming straight to the beach... lol
Yep but to many NIMBY will cry and moan.
@originalsusser it's not west but. That's the thing as a cronulla resident I welcome more people to have easier access to my beautiful suburb... why wouldn't I want to share it with everyone.
As someone on The Northern Beaches, any metro would likely run through Frenchs Forest via Northern Beaches Hospital to Chatswood from Dee Why and Brookvale. I suggest this as it would follow a rocky ridge and there will be enough people in Frenchs Forest, Dee Why and Brookvale to consider it. FYI there is a rezoning happening in Brookvale to increase the residential density along Pittwater Road at the moment. Some of the worst NIMBYs are frankly dying but metro from Dee Why through Narrabeen to Mona Vale won't happen because it's a sandbar, so would be way too expensive to build.
I was screaming at the computer for Chatswood. Makes more sense as there's much more connectivity at Chatswood (Metro and regular Sydney trains services)
There is a "Nimbey" Avenue at Narraweena off Warringah Rd which will probably never die out !!!
No problem build elevated
As a fellow geography nerd, videos like this warm my heart. I hope to see a functional Sydney someday with a world class urban transit system... but for now I am happier living away from it!
Same for me. I left Sydney way back in 1981, though I still have fond memories of my life there when growing up.
Heya, have you thought to send this to TfNSW/your state rep/the local council? Would love to get some official eyes on it and see what could happen! In fact, a call-to-action in the pinned comment to share with local state reps might be worthwhile!
Edit: Have emailed to my state rep. Hopefully somebody in her office will see it, or at minimum checks a box that says "constituent wants more rail infrastructure"
I was going to say the same thing! I've done this once, but I'm going to ask my state rep again. This time, for some improvement with Parramatta Road, which is currently a stroad (something covered in Sharath's later video). Once I am done, I can send that to you as a template of what I've written.
We need a fast train connecting the two airports. Imagine all the connections between people flying into and connecting out of another airport. Also a stop at Liverpool is a must as it is Sydney's third CBD and exactly between the two airports. Lots of hotels are being constructed there right now which will also give options.
That would actually be super helpful..
"and then we'll put a station in Collaroy, quite close to the beach. This would really open it up to tourism"
and this is exactly why locals would not want this line :')
also the production on this video is incredible
That’s the entire reason there’s no Northern Beaches Line.
Haha when I said that line I knew I sounded ridiculous...any local will hate that I said it! But hey, it's true 👀
why would the locals not want it? genuine question btw. wouldnt it be better with a rail way cuz more tourism? not like many people new will move there because it costs more than west syd
@@steveny32 because they don’t want their precious beaches to have more people.
@@steveny32 NIMBY attitude.
Unfortunately for any of these routes to be built, will require massive funding. This is something that a relatively small population (compared to London, NYC, Paris etc) can't afford. The One route that is needed more than any other, is a high speed direct rail between the Airports of Western Sydney and Mascot. To truly capitalize on having two international airports we need this connection, otherwise we end up a long slow transfer between the two, similar to Melbourne's Avalon to Tullamarine (approx 2.5hrs for 52kms) and more than likely congested trains and buses to shuffle your luggage around on
Wow - you have put so much energy and effort into completely fixing Sydney's transport system and doing it properly! Amazing work - Urban Planner Extrordinaire! It is a lot of fixes, but over time it's doable, we just need to find successive Govts who have forethought and a will to make a difference.
Thank you!
Yeah think we're all sick of pollies playing politics with the state of transport these days.
Sharath. You really deserve a holiday in Tasmania after all the work you did on this epic video.
Hahaha thank you, it was a great holiday for sure!
Fortunately, TAS has neither regular passenger train service nor tram.
Firstly I congratulate Sharath on his excellent presentation and visions for Sydney Transport Network. As an ex-Sydney sider (now in residing in the worst city on earth for public transport, Houston Texas), I still have my heart and home still in Redfern and love travelling the world's train networks. I also agree on having connectivity to satellite growth cities and currently, Australia lacks this in a huge way. It is critical to the economy, growth and preserving a better lifestyle that a High-Speed Rail network connects Newcastle to Sydney / Parramatta /Wollongong and the Airports are more critical and are financially more sustainable for the future. Yes filling the gaps in the Sydney network is obviously for the future and Sharath has done a fantastic job in this presentation which I would hope comes to fruition when Sydney becomes as densely populated as London, Paris or Hong Kong. Following the Asian model of building hubs and having business and Residential centres above the station boxes is an excellent way to finance these projects. Sydney's geology and topography are challenging and tunnelling is not always beneficial, incorporating light rail as the Dulwich line is an excellent example and extending this say on the Northern Beaches from Chatswood via a loop to Hornsby and again from Bondi to La Perouse back via the current Randwick line would be far better in reality. Still, so many fantastic suggestions from this presentation and most are a no-brainer for Western Sydney and the growth centres, perhaps the inner suburbs would may be better suited to fast light rail through the hills, bays and awkward terrain. The Metro is more viable to link High-Density centres Like Hurstville to Parramatta for example, non the less, your wonderful vision has to be financed.
Like Japan
Sydney's Northern beaches can be more easily serviced by rail by taking a spur line from Gordon generally by tunnels/overhead viaducts following the Lane Cove Road & Mona Vale Roads . These are the areas now ear-marked for future residential development. This would help minimise the number of additional cars on the local roads.Mona Vale would be the main terminus, with possible extension north towards Palm Beach & south towards Narrabeen & Collaroy, then onto Brookvale, Frenchs Forest, Roseville, Chastwood.
There is nothing wrong in using commuter bus links to service other areas off this loop.
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Sydney Tram network was far bigger than what are L1 L2 & L3 now. Northern Beaches had trams in last century but 1 day NSW decided to burn trams to make it NO WAY BACK. Wynyard Station had space for trams to go on now CaHill Expressway on Syd Harbour Bridge.
Gold Coast used to have 'South Coast Line' of QLD too.
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Right in front of both side Syd Harbour National Park, which are Manly & Watsons Bay, had trams but unfortunately all became charcoal & scrap metal.
As a USYD student The Victoria Road & Bondi Line is the most beautiful thing I've ever heard of
There's no doubt this would be the ultimate upgrade to transport (and commerce) for our city. Just one problem $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. It's politics vs policy. When it's something that takes this long to build, politics wins out 99% of the time. Govts don't generally fork out the mega-dosh for things that won't be completed for decades after they were in power. I've mulled over such things for decades whilst looking at maps of Sydney - but you've got the intelligence, the wherewithal and the motivation to make such an excellent presentation. Great video.
So much effort has gone into this extensive plan. Even if it took a hundred years to complete, line by line Sydney would be transformed into a city of the future.
I believe that we could (COULD!) build it in, say, 30 years. But you are absolutely right. What it takes is to have a plan, and then to START implementing that plan ... and stick to it! (I hesitate to say 'no matter how long it takes', because that just allows pollies an 'out' to just keep pushing it back).
We have had plans in the past (not necessarily good plans, but plans none the less), but the govt of the day keeps wanting to change them, and eventually just drops them. End result? Nothing happens.
But, the rampant NIMBYism that is so much part of our society, unfortunately means that, 30 years from now, a new generation will be facing exactly the same problems that we are today.
So, Gen Z voters, it is over to you ... 'cause us oldies aren't going to be alive long enough to see the change, and therefore make the change.
I've had a look at this in the PDF and just what we need. Not sure where your Schofields to Macarthur line runs but surely we need more around St Clair it's a massive suburb both residential and with the industrial at Erskine Park. I love how you have done the Metro past Bankstown to the new Airport.
I really believe the new Airport can define Chris Minns as a Premier and define his legacy. This is his chance under the Airport guise to finally get our Rail and Motorway systems right. Rail in terms of Sydney and even exiting Sydney. I read on another platform & page someone commenting about the lack of trains to popular tourist spot Mudgee and most people who travel there go to drink wine. So there's another on the trains front to look at.
You have covered the trains so beautifully now let me get to my passion - motorways connecting Sydney and connecting regional towns/areas either side of Sydney. Newcastle our 7th biggest city in Australia has one road that links it to our 2nd biggest city in Sydney and no clear link to Wollongong our 11th biggest. Central Coast in between Sydney and Newcastle is our 11th biggest city. Sydney to Newcastle has an M11 link that's more designed for Newcastle to Western Sydney and Canberra in an 80km zone. We can do better than just one that's a band aid job.
- the proposed M9 should be starting from the F6 (Princes Motorway), going in line with Appin & Picton Roads to the new Airport, working northwards past Penrith, towards Windsor and continue along the Putty Road linking with the Hunter Expressway (M15), proposed Singleton Bypass and Golden Highway. This gives Western commuters another way of getting to Newcastle, Hunter and New England taking the pressure off the F3 (now M1). Golden Highway to be upgraded to motorway standard between M15 and 1-3km past the M9 interchange, the M15 to continue onwards to the Singleton Bypass. An upgrade if it hasn't been done to John Renshaw Drive allowing a dual carriage way between M15 and M1 for Taree bound commute.
- look at the original M7 Orbital proposal that had the M7 joining the F3 at Mt White. This pushes the new Airport traffic away from the worst part of the F3, M2 and M11 freeing them up. Allows a better commute to Gosford and Newcastle from all parts of Sydney & surrounds.
- extending the M2 to the M9 as part of a proposal decades ago and land is there.
- linking Bells Line of Road to the M9 and M7 covering the growth in North-West and better links to the Blue Mountains region. Upgrade Bells Line of Road to take pressure off the Highway that goes through Springwood, Katoomba and Blackheath.
- extend the M11 to the A6 Silverwater Road the tunnel is an easy thing to do this makes the M11 not a white elephant but a key road for Sydney Olympic Park for the major events it holds. Even though it's not a full motorway to the M4 does provide a key link to get to both airports. Upgrade the Heathcote Road side of the A6 which can in some areas be motorway conditions until Padstow again a key link to the M5 that provides connection to both airports.
- not sure on the best route but the F3 north of Wahronga and the F6 at Waterfall needs to be connected whether this is one mega expressway with lots of tunnel features or connecting to various major roads turning them into motorways and connecting to roads like the Harbour Tunnel, the new M6 and all that is one for better minds than me this. With the Pacific & Princes M1's linking (F3-F6) and the M7/M9 this now gives two connections from Newcastle/Central Coast to Wollongong/South Coast.
Some out of Sydney options:
- Upgrade of Bells Line of Road to allow another passage way to areas like Lithgow, Bathurst and Mudgee bypassing Katoomba.
- Duplication of the Great Western Highway from Katoomba to Bathurst.
- Newcastle Inner City Bypass to better link to the Hunter Expressway M15, new M1 at Hexham, the Nelson Bay turn off via Stockton the upgrade from Swansea to F3 at Doyalson Interchange the framework is there for it to be done. Nothing can be done from Caves Beach to Belmont.
- Another link from the Princes to Hume motorways this time south of Wollongong probably around Albion Park or Dapto areas take pressure off the Wollongong and Bulli areas and can be used as a key link to both the Airport and Canberra.
- Riverina to South Coast via Canberra - Wagga Wagga is the states largest inland city (not including Canberra) and needs to be further encouraged as the unofficial NSW/VIC border. Canberra is Australia's biggest bubble and every side of it is NSW with only a link to Yass (currently under development) and a great road to Goulburn, Southern Highlands, M5 & M7. Canberra people would leave the ACT for a weekend in a heartbeat if it had better roads in NSW to venture onto.
Bring all our tolls under the one umbrella and one pricing structure that it's consistent across all of NSW. Doesn't matter what motorway we are on we have the one pricing structure designed by KM's driven as the M7 once was. Doesn't matter if you cross between M7 to M2 to M11 etc. This can be achieved with how the tags are now done. Have a daily max limit and and weekly max limit. Eg $13 daily, $60 weekly.
When I visited Mt York near Blackheath. I read an interesting sign. It took just 28 men to build a road from Emu Plains to Bathurst in only 6 months without the technology we have today. We barely get a map proposal done within 6 months today despite everything at our disposal.
We can turn NSW into a mega hub where City-West-South-North-Newcastle-Wollongong-Canberra all link with such ease and out of regions like South Coast, Blue Mountains, Central Tablelands and New England.
I think this had a lot of information about improving the rail networks to new areas, but some more existing areas needed more connections such as the International Airport, Liverpool and City Circle. Every other proposal is spot on!
Fair point. Thank you for watching!
Potentially a direct airport to airport purely built around allowing transfers
Totally agree, there are still existing sections we could improve on. We should have Clearways 2.0.
1. A third pair of tracks between Lidcombe/Flemington and Blacktown via Parra/Westmead, and completely separate Inner West/South/Cumberland, Western, and Intercity services. I also say extend Inner West services to Blacktown and rename it as Western Local. Most likely, this would be a new tunnel (unless if we can make use of compulsory acquisition) and would be for Western or Blue Mountains Lines to eliminate station building.
2. I'd either extend T4 Eastern Suburbs to Bondi (Beach), or revisit the original plan and extend to Coogee and Five Ways. If water pressure and crowding near Bondi Beach is a problem, just place the station a couple of streets further away.
3. Totally agree with extending the Metro from Bankstown to Liverpool. I think Liverpool should be another mini-CBD. On a related note, I also wouldn't mind extending the quadding from Revesby to Holsworthy, and extend local services to Casula/Liverpool. (Exp would still go to Glenfield/Macarthur.)
Definitely on the money with some of these proposed routes. Bear in mind that Sydney Metro is meant to operate as a rapid/efficient service so the chances of getting as many stations along some of these routes as you propose is very unlikely. The idea is that Sydney Metro stations each serve as a transport interchange in their own right, meaning there is a greater focus on multi-modal transfers and interchange to connect each station to the surrounding residential areas, rather than having a literal station in every residential neighbourhood possible.
Fantastic video! I believe you have touched on much of the pain points of rail access in Sydney. Those orbital routes are very important!
Thank you!
2 changes. The Parramatta to Aerotropolis line should take over the Glenfield branch in lieu of the st Mary’s to Glenfield option, so that you can have separation of lines. Second, the northern beaches should be an extension of the Hurstville to Macquarie Park line, and include the French’s Forest Austlink, area to Dee Why, then head south with a branch to Manly from Brookvale. The line should continue toward Victoria Cross but interchange, not join. This would eliminate the direct train line fears but still provide access.
Hi u might want to look at linking macarthur to wollongong for faster access to the west from the gong. Plus theres soooo many curves after curves at helensburgh which they need to build tunnel or reroute to save lots of minutes on waterfall to wollongong line
would a macarthur to wollongong line use the incomplete corridor to donbarton? it seems to not be very winding, which is good since you don't want to go too slowly through the bush where the rail serves no stations. It would be cool if they did make one station in the middle of the bush for that wondabyne charm.
This video is so great! I’m from Victoria and even this is so great to see! Sydneys definentally needs these new transport routes.
Amazing video mate! I used to draw maps of fixing Sydney as a kid but this is next level. Really well thought out and presented!
Sharath, I have ALWAYS thought, from the moment I heard about the Parramatta Metro, that it should've followed your Victoria Rd route, as as crowded as it maybe, Parramatta is adequately served by the existing heavy rail.
Just a heads up in March I am planning to ride the entire rail network stopping at every station in a day. Let me know if you are interested in doing something around that.
A bit of a missed opportunity on the SE line- you could have looped it back around through Botany and Eastlakes, ending with an interchange at Mascot. I used to live in Botany and it was so frustrating getting into the city, or to other areas of the Eastern Suburbs. There was only 2 bus routes through the area. It is becoming a very high density area and would benefit greatly from a rail link to the city.
i really wish Transport for NSW did more with regional trains, as it stands they are not very good.
Tell me about it, I grew up in the blue mountains. While it’s nice to have the line we have, regional services need to get better. Especially places like Newcastle, they need their light rail expanded and a line connecting nearby towns like Cessnock across to Raymond Terrace, airport and then Medowie
16:23 I can confirm. I took the 410 from Rhodes to Hurstville once and it took a century.
i took it when it was the m41 from hurstville into top ryde and yeah it was a day trip. bit like the frequent trips i used to take on the m92 from padstow to parramatta, or the even slower m91. in some cases it is actually quicker to take a train all the way into the city and then another one back out. these routes would be a good candidate for improving the road network for buses as a cheaper alternative to building metros (there just isnt enough demand atm). extra bus lanes, priority traffic lights etc would all improve these routes.
19:58 you have no idea how much I want a train station at cecil hills. It takes over 2 hours to get into the city with a 40 minute bus ride to the closest station.
21:40 Liverpool *town* centre?
Liverpool has been a CITY for more than 150 years, with a population similar to Parramatta, covering an area (305 km2), significantly larger than Parramatta, having more room to grow in the future. So it deserves rail access probably more than anywhere else in Western Sydney.
Hey Sharath thanks for the big effort put in this video! Really loved the ideas of building metro lines around roads that I usually use (A3 and Victoria Road), and I very much agree that Ryde (and Top Ryde City) should be connected with rail
For me another potential proposal would be from Camden to Sutherland Shire via Macarthur, which would be going under and bypassing the Holsworthy military area, I think this would shorten a lot of time used between the Shire and Campbelltown Camden regions
Also there can be a line from North Ryde (or Macquarie Park) to Manly via Lane Cove, Chatswood, Willoughby and Balgowlah, to get Lane Cove, Willoughby, Manly and the famous Manly Beach rail stops
I don't imagine the military would like that hahaha. In theory a good idea, but I can't really see it being built because it's such a long distance to go without any stations. I did consider extending my A3 line, but I cut it short because I think it's already a bold enough proposal without making it too long and implausible!
Local resistance isn't the biggest barrier to development in the Northern Beaches. Take your route from Mosman to Seaforth, unless you want to build Australia's deepest tunnel or tallest bridge you'll have to navigate metro trains from Mosman ridge (~60m elevation), down across Manly spit, and back up to Seaforth (also ~60m elevation), a grade of ~ 1:15 / 1:10. The route is pushing the limits of road gradients let alone railway ones. The geography of the area would make rail infrastructure crazy expensive, which is why a rail route across Middle Harbour has never been seriously considered.
Interesting video. I used to live in Sydney and now live in Melbourne. Your suggestions are quite impressive and I really hope someone in the Sydney transport takes notice. Incidentally, one other area that badly needs heavy rail is Belfield, which seems to have been completely forgotten. Also, reopening the area on the eastern side of the Harbour Bridge with either heavy or light rail, using the former tramway corridor across the bridge through to Wynyard (Platforms 1 and 2) would really make a difference. Then, there is a corridor, that was previously used by trams to La Perouse and most of the reservation is still there. This could easily be used by heavy or light rail. Anyway, I hope the right people up there see your videos and use your suggestions, which could really improve Sydney's transport dramatically. Wishing you all the very best.
Great video with a vision Sharath. Planning from whole to the part. It is not hard to see the time and effort that has gone into making this comprehensive video. Keep up the good work.
I must say. I love your videos. You do such a professional job and presentation. You do Sydneysiders proud. State Rail should offer you a job. ;)
Haha thank you!
Well thought out proposal. Also good work on seamlessly editing together a very clean topological map - keep up the good work!
i reckon the existing sydney trains leppington lines being extended to the new airport would work better cus it would be a direct line to central or parra from the airport without having to interchange
Can't believe I've only just discovered your channel now! I've never subscribed so fast!
Great to see some love for the South West. Having a line between the new airport all the way through to Macarthur would completely change the dynamic and stress of main roads like Camden Valley Way and Narellan Road, while giving far better access to Oran Park Town Centre, Narellan Town Centre and the Australian Botanical Gardens in Mount Annan.
I now live overseas, but to one day see a world where this region has your proposed line, brings warmth to my heart.
Love your visions! I have always wondered why the rail network is so lacking in Sydney and you’ve answered my question!
While your proposals look great in theory, you probably already know that so many factors go into creating transport solutions, topography being one of the main ones (along with resources, finance etc etc) as l said, love your ideas and would be great to see them come to life one day!
Have you forgotten the MAIN FACTOR??
The MASSIVE COST ??
While his proposals are certainly comprehensive, he has given NO CONSIDERATION to the cost!!
These metro lines and their stations cost an absolute FORTUNE, as we are finding out with the cost of the current 2 Sydney Metro lines under construction. The stations themselves are particularly expensive, which is why the new Metro lines have so few, compared with the old stations on the heavy rail network.
The total cost for all his proposed lines and stations would be in the order of $100-200 billion!!!!! Mind boggling!!
And take 60-80 yrs to build!!
By the time you are my age (73) you have a chance of getting most of this proposal done. You also missed Dee Why, French's Forest, Chatswood, Macquarie University, Epping, part of the Epping to Parramatta railway line.
Excellent.
I remember the old "red rattlers" in Sydney they were hot noisy and slow the network may have expanded and the rollingstock updated but Sydney suburban trains are still like slow motion.
They used to be quick as in the early/mid 1990's but thanks to the Glenbrook disaster the state government turned them into tortoise trains.
The Illawarra Line needs some attention. It's only two tracks until you reach Hurstville leaving it vulnerable to disruption (as it is notorious for) and having to work with freight trains coming up from Port Kembla.
Excellent video Sharath. Anyone who has lived in Sydney for long enough will attest, the biggest issue with your plan, or any decent public transport plan, is politics. It's bad enough that the NSW Govt keeps bringing Brits in to run the network, a nation whose network is somewhat worse than Sydney's, especially in London itself, but we have successive governments in NSW, govts of all stripes, obsessed with toll roads, roads that actually bring income into the govt, whereas rail just costs the govt.
Yes you're exactly right. Our government need to focus far more on rail than they do on roads. I really hope we turn a corner on that soon, especially with the WestConnex finally nearly done.
an additional line that makes tonnes of sense is a norwest-blacktown-western airport line, the metro curves at norwest like its jsut begging for an extension through there
Something to note is the T9 will most likely be reintegrated into the T1 once the Metro reaches the city from Chatswood. As currently T9 trains may not terminate at Gordon and sometimes travel through from Gordon back to Hornsby the quick way.
One of the other problems with radial networks is the reliance on shared lines and the continuance from one line to another via the city circle, so a major disruption at say Strathfield massively impacts not only every line going through there but other lines that eventually feed off of there as well.
Lots of great ideas, particularly my pet peeve of the lack of North-South lines. Unfortunately it would cost half a trillion dollars to build it all.
Great video. As a Wollongong resident the Illawara line REALLY needs a tunnel from Stanwell Park to Helensburgh/Waterfall. The current service limit due to the single line stretches and dual use with freight/coal need to be addressed.
Lots of this feels copy and paste from the 2056 plan, and faces alot of the same problems:
-Needs a direct line from Nancy Bird to Kingsford, it doesnt make sense to require multiple changes to get between airports.
-Requires an interchange to get from the city to Bondi beach. Why can't the ESL be extended instead? (its literally the busiest bus route in the city)
Also your M1 line has 3 north branches, and 1 southern branch, that doesn't look right.
But i do really like the Victoria and Beaches lines as ideas, especially as it doesnt require another metro harbour tunnel.
(Also the 197 does the north section of the A3, and you forgot the grey interchange cirle at Chatswood 😉)
Thanks for the info. Very useful
The different voltages on the Western Airport Metro and the Sydenham to Tallawong Metro is unconscionable. It virtually GUARANTEES problems in running a unified system, or even expanding it in the way you sensibly suggest. I think it shows far more of an ideology of semi/total privatisation and setting up commercial patches for the operators, than actually making a system that serves its USERS. The only way around this would be dual-voltage metros (certainly possible, but added complication). But it does NOT have to be this way. There is not even the excuse of inheriting or using private Metros from different companies (as in somewhere like Tokyo). This is the same government authority that has approved both (and would approve a 3rd joining line ) BEFORE the fact. These are meant to be run FOR the government, which is meant to serve the people and which supposedly will take them over (or something) eventually. There is simply no excuse for it.
Ditto for the nonsensical proposal to run Metro from Glenfield to the WS airport. It would make far more sense to continue the TRAIN line to the WS Airport and interchange with the Metro there. This would allow convenient inter-airport traffic, which will certainly be necessary. Nobody wants to be lugubriously lugging luggage at Glenfield for an unnecessary change.
Mr Bradfield the namesake for part of the airport development, would be sick at the sight of such nonsense.
The voltage issue might not be an absolute killer. Consider the Tsukuba Express which uses dual-voltage trains.
Agree that the airports should absolutely be linked by a single service.
@@darrenbellion7320 Yes that's true, and some HSTs in Europe use *3* voltages/pickups. That would just leave the issue if different door spacings, which have to be accommodated NY platform doors. I dunno if they would / could match.
I've never seen a comment on RUclips I agree with more until I've seen this.
Comment: 25KvAC systems are significantly cheaper to build and maintain than 1500vDC systems. It is unconscionable to keep building old expensive systems when there are better alternatives, especially on separate lines where inconsistency does not arise as an issue.
Excellent video Sharath! Thanks for the huge effort!
Thank you!
You have a flaw in this. Major parts of Sydney would be the city, Parramatta, Chatswood, Liverpool, Campbelltown, and Penrith. You left out Penrith as Penrith will be what Parramatta is now. Parramatta is the central point which will be shopping based sort of city. The city it self is more based on the economic side. The government should of put a line from Richmond to Penrith to the new airport and then to Campbelltown.
CBD, Parramatta, Chatswood, Macquarie Park, Norwest, Bankstown, Liverpool, Hurstville/Kogarah, Aerotropolis/Bradfield, are the big future hubs.
Penrith won't grow as much as these areas because there isn't as much potential for development due to the floodplain and more focus on the new Aerotropolis which is in a better location to be a future centre. Richmond/Windsor is an example of a part of Sydney that has effectively peaked already, again due to the floodplain.
Penrith is already well-deserved by heavy rail. The most it will get is more bus services, or a light rail line (that's really pushing it).
I reckon don’t turn the Leppington line into metro but extend the heavy rail from Leppington to the new Airport since the T2 line won’t agree with changing it into metro plus the Melbourne XPT borrows the T2 line at Glenfield station so it can overtake the T8 train at Glenfield and if it gets turned into metro the XPT will be stuck behind the T8 train.
This Is The Greatest Idea For The Metro I've Ever Seen But If I Designed It I Would Make Denistone Useful By Making It A Metro Hub
Not sure if residents will accept that😂
Lol
Denistone has multiple unused platforms
@@celticchris That's Why It Would Be Useful
I believe that Australias' capitol should be moved to Denistone.
Hurstville or Kogarah to Parramatta (via Bankstown) is a massive no brainer. Then extend the line north further to link up at Castle Hill. It will connect south, west, and north west and make Western Sydney finally navigable.
Love your ambition! Support a lot of these initiatives - but would truly love signal system upgrades on the heavy rail system to support increased frequencies 1st. Best bang for buck.
The signal upgrade is beyond essential at this point.
It would finally be almost as good as London's rail network. London transport is the standard we all need to aspire to.
I would add a Mona Vale to Chatswood line.
I'd say it fixes a lot of the West but it may have been a bit myopic in that regard, the south east metro line could easily be terminated at La Perouse instead of Little Bay at which point a ferry can service between Kurnell and La Perouse as is seen in the government's proposal, additionally, the East would be significantly better connected to the rest of Sydney with a line between Malabar on the video's proposal and proceeding to the airport with likely stops at Matraville, and somewhere inbetween Pagewood and Botany.
This is beautiful. I am mentally laying a loving hand on this rail plan through the glass of the shop.
I think your okanning was thorough and your placement and route ideas are excellent, but at a (conservative) pricetag of 500 billion dollars, it's never going to happen.
As someone who lives in Ryde, getting home from the T9 line from the city is absolutely hell when deciding at which station to get off to catch a bus home. Your proposed M5 and M6 lines would do absolute wonders for transport from the T9 line, as well as connecting Ryde to the current Tallawong to Chatswood metro, and connecting Ryde to Sydney Olympic Park. Access to Sydney's inner west would also be greatly improved.
I've been a fan of your channel for a little while as the Sydney train network is something that I have always found interesting and if you're putting a petition forward for this, I am in 100% support. Sydney would definitely benefit from a more train and metro focus. Big fan man!
Unfortunately, I'll probably be past retirement before we would see many major completions of future plans (confirmed or not), by government standards anyway haha.
Good video, and one that I have many opinions on (I've been working on a fantasy Sydney railway proposal for years). If you don't mind some criticism of your network, here are some thoughts I have:
You haven't talked much about converting existing train lines to automated metro lines. The one line in your plan that is converted is the South West Rail Link, but this is not a very good candidate considering the platforms at Leppington and Edmondson Park are built for 8-car trains and not the 4-car trains that would operate on the Western Sydney Airport line, plus the way it has a good grade-separated interchange at Glenfield. It would be better to extend this Sydney Trains line to Bradfield where it would meet the line from Parramatta, which would also avoid branching on the main Western Sydney Airport line. There are other train lines in Sydney that it would be more possible to convert to Metro operation though; lines discussed include the Airport Line between Revesby and Central, and the Eastern Suburbs and Illawarra line north of Hurstville. While there are advantages and disadvantages of those conversions, they are worth thinking about.
You need to consider more how different modes of transport complement eachother. Building two lines to cover the same corridor can be pretty wasteful if they don't cover significantly different kinds of trips. Some of your lines are very similar to existing or under-construction light rail lines, and in those situations, there needs to be a reason you'd take the tram and a reason you'd take the train. If there isn't, then an alternate route should be chosen to expand coverage.
Interchange stations are especially important for connectivity and development, and some on your network are oddly placed, particularly on the Macquarie Park to Hurstville line.
I like the frequency of stations in the low-density Western Sydney suburbs, but it's more likely the government would have the line skip those areas and just run feeder buses into more major Metro stations.
The Marsden Park development is planned to extend further south with higher-density development, so the line there doesn't need to go so far north.
Consider how branching affects service levels. Your M1 line has 3 branches in the north but only 1 in the south. This would make the northern branches have relatively infrequent service, while the Bankstown Line would get loads of trains. If there are branches they shouldn't come at the expense of good frequency.
I really like the diagram; your graphic design skills are great!
Yes, those are all excellent points. Thank you for making them. The reason some interchange stations are probably not well chosen is I focused more on providing a direct route than logical interchanges; certainly with more research it could be determined which one is more important. The government will probably skip a lot of the Western Sydney stations I've chosen, but I really think they shouldn't; big gaps between stations aren't something I really like, and they should try to build more to provide as much access as possible. But so long as we don't have a repeat of 7km gaps like the Metro West I'll be happy. Yes, the branches were far from elegant; I just didn't know how else to incorporate the Epping-Parramatta and Northern Beaches Lines into the map. But you're right; an alternate solution would need to be found. I reckon the Northern Beaches Line could be its own line, maybe extending somewhere that I haven't thought of, like Sydney Airport. And yes, you're right about the light rail; my South-East Line does overlap a lot with their light rail. Something for me to consider next time! Anyways, thank you for your points and thank you for watching! Part of what will make this proposal even better is constructive feedback like yours :))
Quite an interesting (albeit ambitious) proposition. I like the effort that was put into this.
If I was in charge of this project, here is how I would do it:
Part 1: Tallawong to St Marys:
- Given the differences in electrification between the two lines, I would make the interchange at Schofields as shown in the video.
Part 2: Aerotropolis to Glenfield/Macarthur:
- Given the area around Bringelly has its rail corridor already allocated for the land management in the area, I propose the Aerotropolis to Glenfield route to be covered by expanding the existing Sydney Trains Leppington line.
- Aerotropolis to Macarthur by Metro and I would even go on to extend that Metro one stop north to Campbelltown on its own line as NSW TrainLink southern regional services stop at Campbelltown.
Part 3: South-East:
- T4 Line expansion to Bondi Beach.
- Hunter Street to Little Bay Metro being the same as described.
Parts 4 to 8: Epping-Parramatta, Norwest-Kogarah, Macquarie Park-Hurstville, Westmead-Aerotropolis & Bankstown-Aerotropolis:
- Same as described in the video.
Part 9: Victoria Park to Bondi:
- The same T4 Line expansion I suggested for the South-East in Part 3 of my comment, the rest of it being identical to what’s described in the video.
Part 10: Northern Beaches
- Same as described.
A dream train map. I would have also included a link between Chatswood and Dee Why to accomodate the suburbs along Warringah Road like Frenchs Forest, which is basically inaccessible without a car.
That one might be better as light rail.
Yes, that's a fair idea. I meant to say that the A3 line could be extended north to Mona Vale/Dee Why and south to Miranda, but forgot to add it in.
I’d agree with the premise that there is a problem with Sydney’s rail network - getting into and out of the city isn’t an issue as u state, but I don’t agree with ur solution. Looks good on paper but many of the stations u suggest could in no way accomodate metro stations due to the lack of available and suitable space. Travel times wouldnt be much different to travelling by car and the cost of such a metro would be enormous. Also the usage of such a network could never justify the cost - Sydney rail, like most rail networks around the world are run at a loss and would need further subsidies to keep it running. That said, like u, I have always lamented that travelling across Sydney’s vast metro area is difficult by train because a commute involves heading towards the city first before being able to change lines and travel to the desired station. My solution would be to create a single additional rail line that joins all the existing lines at their midpoint in a “ring” around the city. The new rail line would connect at approximately the middle of each existing rail line starting at Hurstville, to Beverly Hills, then connecting to Bankstown, Cabramatta, Prairiewood, Blacktown, Carlingford, Epping and ending at Gordon. So that would involve the creation of one new station only, Prairiewood. This proposal means that it would be feasible to travel to and from outer suburbs in Sydney - in any direction- without having to travel towards the city first. It wouldn’t solve all the rail networks problems but it sure would be the best bang for your buck.
Love it. Except the issue with the Northern Beaches line is the geography between your Mosman and Seaforth stations. You'll need a helix on each side of middle harbour just to get down far enough to go under the water and back up the other side. Alternately, they could build a mega structure suspension bridge and include a road way too. Also there are other improvements too, like quad tracking the Parramatta River crossing, (the bridge abutments already exist), quad tracking St. Marys to Penrith plus add a new station for WSU. And a new direct fast rail from Emu Plains/St Marys thru the mountains to Lithgow and this would be double container height support and not necessarily electrified.
I am very Impressed with the Parramatta proposals especially the Epping connection, however even if such lines were built, I would be unlikely to see them without some miraculous life extending medical breakthrough!
I feel like people in the Northern beaches like the secluded waterfront living
I dunno about this whole metro-only thing. From my experience of using the MRT in Singapore over 13 years, you can never get seats on the bloody thing, especially in rush hour. Imagine standing all the way from Central to Bankstown, my knees shudder at the thought.
Now in the utopia state finally connect Mona Vale to North Ryde via Ingleside, Terrey Hills, Belrose, St Ives, Pymble (or Gordon), West Pymble. THEN you are finally done, as you have essentially a continuous Mona Vale to Hurstville line.
How about a line from Mona Vale to Hornsby then west onto Windsor. And a line from Windsor/Richmond down to Penrith onto Macarthur/Campbelltown
One more missing line. Bankstown directly south. Which is technically south east cos of the map design. I propose Bankstown, Revesby, Menai, Engadine. That way that hits 3 different train lines too.
Love your videos Sharath! If only what you proposed would actually be done! How awesome would our city be?
small note: Marayong station not Marayoung :)
To be honest, given the number of pronunciation mistakes I normally make in a video, I'll take making one minor typo in a station I didn't even mention :) Thank you for watching!
This is the greatest channel about Sydney. I also live in Sydney
Can someone send this to the Sydney Trains CEO?
U mean Jo Haylen?
dude you're a beast, your passion is infectious.
Amazing video! One thing I (personally) would change is the Norwest to Kogarah line. I would say that instead of Kogarah, it should instead go into Hurstville. As it would interchange with the T4 and the metro line you metioned: Hurstville to Maquarie Park. Also, the link between Tallawong and Schofields is a bit more difficult because going above ground would mean it would crash into a bus interchange and carpark. I would tunnel it past Tallawong. But, all other things I agree with.
Hurstville is nice. Tallawong, not so.
In order to avoid carparks that absorb valuable land near stations, tunneling (super expensive) is not a good idea
@@aaravyadav3748 Thats true. But, if there would be a sky bridge, the metro platforms part would be further away from the train platforms because carparks are on both sides
@@DuckTrains hmmm. Remove the Carparks, add Tod or maybe just trees. The world can do better than Asphalt
Just remove whatever part of carparks that is in the way and relocate the bus stops.
Disagree, Kogarah is a massive suburb with a hooming population on the eastern suburbs, to ignore it would only cause massive headaches for the locals who live there, also it would be much easier to connect at Kogarah from Bankstown then from hurtstville.
I wish the Shire wasn't always left out with these concept maps. I live near Sutherland but often have to commute to Penrith and it takes exactly twice as long on train than driving - really wish there was some sort of link connecting south east to south west, could also benefit Wollongong commuters going to Western Sydney as they suffer even more.
This is absolutely amazing Sharath! Do you mind if I start making videos on my channel similar to this?
Also what do you use to edit? And what do you use to animate (eg. Sydney Metro & Trains Map Proposals)
Anyways, congrats on 10K! 😊
Haha you're more than welcome to, it would be amazing to see more Sydney content which really has been the main aim of this channel. I use After Effects; steep learning curve but rewarding results!
@@BuildingBeautifully Great! 😊 Thank you! Merry Christmas :)
@@BuildingBeautifully I use Adobe Illustrator, is it similar in learning curve to that? Nice work btw
Sharath, Well Done.. Your plans are exactly what Sydney needs.. Infact, its what a lot of Australia's major cities need.. Congratulations.. I hope someone in power sees this and enacts at least part of it.
Who's paying for all this? Public Transport is a money sink. Metro Stations are circa $350-$500m each, putting train station in arbitrary low density places may make for nice maps, but it's completely unrealistic.
Parramatta to Epping makes much more sense for a Metro.
Nobody in the CBD is going to by flying out of Western Sydney Airport. This Airport is for air freight and westies flying to Bali, Gold Coast and other such places.
There are some sensible lines in this video. But most of these suburbs will never need metro. Connecting parts of the west makes sense, as does bridging gaps.
You are brilliant. Next time i'm in sydney i'd love to buy you a coffee and explain my dreams when I was a kid. I'm 56 and run a very successful business in Melbourne. I'll pass this on to all my sydney freinds.
But what culture is in Parramatta (ok maybe Riverside theatre) what culture is in Chatswood?
European cities you can head out 10-20km and find galleries, museums, a live music scene.
Sydney needs to calm down pumping people into it and spend 10 years or so letting the facilities catch up
All I'd like to see is an underground metro from Kings Cross to Newtown stopping at Art Gallery, CBD, Pyrmont, Glebe
While I very much agree with the Northern Beaches Line proposal, I would add some extra length to the beginning and end of the line. I would start from Chatswood, head south through Crows Nest and Victoria Cross, and then turn northeast onto your proposed line -- then, at Mona Vale, I would have the line turn west, with stops at Terrey Hills and St Ives (plus more stops in between) before heading back to Chatswood again. You could run the line as a pure loop service from Chatswood around, or as a balloon loop with trains starting at the city and heading either clockwise or counterclockwise from Victoria Cross.
Also, to supplement this service, I would build a light rail line from Chatswood to Manly, roughly following Boundary Street and Warringah Road, turning southeast at Beacon Hill Road to interchange with the metro at Brookvale, and then following Pittwater Road all the way down to the Manly ferry wharf. Yes, the Northern Beaches NIMBYs would be apoplectic, but making NIMBYs' brains explode is usually fun and useful.
As someone who lives on the Northern Beaches, I love this idea. I’m incredibly sick of the lack of transport connections here (and almost everyone my age agrees).
I’m a little concerned about the Light Rail line though. While it sounds good in practice, getting it down/up the hills on either side of the Roseville Bridge is going to be difficult - especially since it has a tendency to flood when it really pours.
@@macan94126 My plan there is basically to build a new bridge. Somewhere around the Ormonde Road Bridge, the light rail would break off from the centre of Warringah Rd and into a side alignment on the north side of the road. It would get its own dedicated bridge over Middle Harbour, much higher up than the Roseville Bridge (so no flooding risk and less height change), and then rejoin the Warringah Road centre alignment around the Valley Road intersection.
This new bridge could also be straighter than the existing Roseville Bridge, so odds are good that some people might look at the plans and demand a new combined road/tram bridge instead of keeping cars on the Roseville Bridge. I'm not 100% against the idea but having the tram route be more direct than the car route is a wonderful way of convincing people to ride the tram.
Where's the money coming from to enable this dream?
Hello nimby
Great video man, these are such good ideas. The NSW government and Transport for NSW need to see this video and take some notes.
Melbourne is way better👍
We need at least connection between the Carlingford light rail station and the Epping rail and metro stations.
Also a connection between the Parramatta light rail and Bella Vista metro stations, perhaps via the current bus transit lane
all of these are just westie issues. why dont you just move to the actual city
Great video!
You’ll also want to link Mona Vale with Chatswood too.
This is wonderful and well articulated Sharath. Love it 💚❤👍😊
This plan is missing the massive rises of Rosebery particularly near Dalmeny Avenue which is too far for Mascot or Green Square, West Eastlakes, Daceyville, Pagewood, Botany. People I guess assume the South Eastern suburbs are small but with the rise of Rosebery particularly near Dalmeny (might be the most over density area in Sydney over m2 in 5 years time) the need.
The A3 is the perfect circumferential route, although I would extend it north east along A3 to stop at Gordon (interchange with T1), St Ives, Terrey Hills and Mona Vale
I wouldn’t be surprised if transurban had an input in not pushing the rail network to be circumferential as building this would take away from people using tolls to take the M2, M5 and M7
Also a metro from Sutherland to MacArthur would be nice as well
Fantastic video. Now you've got me thinking about the paucity of radial lines here in Melbourne.