Sydney’s Future Tramway? - Trams to Bondi Beach!
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- Sydney's famous Bondi Beach has been left without any sort of rail line, with only slow, and delayed buses connecting Bondi to the rest of Sydney. This ends today - in this video I discuss the potential idea to have trams run from Moore Park or Central via Bondi Junction towards Sydney's Bondi Beach.
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Honestly the government should just ignore the residents of Bondi at this point, it should be up to the council/government if they should build the line as Bondi gets more popular, access to Bondi beach for tourists and just people wanting to have a day trip gets harder. Not to mention how packed the 333 route is and how big the line is for it. Residents should just suck it up and get over it. Just my opinion on what I think the government should do.
This would benefit lots of people. Unfortunately the locals want the beach to themselves and want to be “isolated from the rest of Sydney” i remember one local saying. And thus preventing any direct public transportation to bondi beach. Aside from that, i would love if this became a reality.
They lawyer up, so the govt needs to lawyer up too. It will happen once a number of people who are NIMBYs stop the life thing
I think you have Bondi mixed up with Northern Beaches, and you're talking about back in the 70's when the train didn't make it to the beach.
I know so many Bondi locals that would be over the moon to get to work faster, it has nothing to do with keeping others out.
@@ginagriffith2846There was some nimby opposition to trains to Bondi Beach but as Tsets was that was not the reason it was canned, but unfortunately the 'can't do it because the locals don't want it' has become received wisdom. Lots of locals supported it because as you say it would make travel better for them, and would also stop the weekend traffic and parking nightmare.
I do stand with the locals but that doesn’t mean I don’t support public transport! Just not to bondi!
Do they think people don't own cars?
Couple of things:
1. The bit of Oxford Street towards the city from Moore Park that this alignment missed is one of the busiest arterial bus corridors in the whole country and in bad need of urban renewal and streetscape transformation, it would absolutely make more sense to continue along the rest of Oxford Street if you did build LR, you might still want to build a connection to Moore Park for events and maintenance though and you could run a cross-country service.
2. From Bondi Junction I really think it will be better to just tunnel the heavy rail line than deal with the surface roads and steep gradients trying to squeeze a light rail line in.
3. A T4 extension will have more capacity, be much faster and less prone to disruption and is more attractive journey times for most users who will almost certainly be transferring to the T4 at BJ for most of their trips anyway. T4 can also be extended further to North Bondi and Rose Bay if desired for more development and upzoning (I have even seen a suggestion it could be extended to Manly).
3. The roads are fairly narrow and slow plus you will cause a ton of disruption Transport for NSW has already ruled out using Bondi Road for surface LR as it is too narrow and steep and the old tram network alignment has been sold off anyway.
So your going to pull trees down to put a light rail in. Just start it at the junction and take it down to the beach using pretty much the same path as before it was closed down.
there are too many tops (drop Westfield stop as the Bondi Junction stop is already adjacent to the mall, also drop any stops that are less than 700 metres apart) and there is nothing about connecting it to the CBD (if it is, as it implies that the line would share tracks on the already congested L2/3 lines). Also, it runs on streets that are too narrow, thus being the project would be more expensive due to land acquisitions. If the line followed a modified version of the existing 333, it could utilise existing bus lanes and already runs on wide roads possibly allowing higher speeds.
Interesting video. It is a pity that the land was sold where the former Bondi trams used to use, especially the off road cutting and reservation just before arriving at Bondi. Once at Bondi, the old trams used to use the centre part of the road, currently used for parking cars, and then head on to North Bondi where they terminated. For a new light rail tram line, I believe they could easily reuse that same centre area for the new trams, without too much expense.
I'd love a video about transitioning the Tway between Liverpool and Parramatta into a Light Rail project
That will come into play once the Metro West is extended to a planned T-Way interchange at Prairiewood for sure, and will be a very attractive corridor, hopefully they done a few grade separations allowing the trams to run faster than the buses can right now along the most important part of the corridor (from Miller to Bonnyrigg to Prairiewood).
A video about converting the norwest T-Way from Parra to Rouse Hill and Blacktown into light rail would be interestesting too
I think this is generally a good proposal, although I would run the line to Central Chalmers St rather than Moore Park.
By running it to Central, it's basically a two-seat trip to anywhere on the Sydney train network. By only running it to Moore Park, you're turning it into a three-seat journey for most commuters.
You have it going the long way around Bondi Junction down to Bondi Beach. It should just go straight down Bondi Road after Oxford Street, where the buses go now on their way to the Beach.
The whole point of this line is to service the community, not to take people from the city to Bondi as fast as possible.
I would suggest to extend from Moore Park to Zetland and Green Square.
Would love for an extension through to Broadway. Really make that whole street into a walker's paradise.
What about extending the rail to Bondi Beach and Converting the Eastern Suburbs line to Hurstville to Metro
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Download the line diagram here:
file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/Sydney%20Indicator%20Screens.pdf
thats a local file link...
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I like all this… but as per my comment, do a loop on Elizabeth st to connect central and CQ and it’s can do random route numbers (like Melbourne) and have random route combinations
This is extremely well-detailed. Is this for a uni project by any chance or is this for your own project? Either way this is super impressive. Well done
1. Tram from Museum Station to Bondi with a non revenue transfer link to George St for stable access at Randwick or Rozelle
2. Metro West extended with stops near Art Gallery, Australian Museum and cnr. Oxford & Flinders st for tram transfer. Further stops at Moore Park sports precinct, UNSW/ PofW Hospital & Randwick racecourse combined. with extra platforms at Moore Park and Randwick UNSW for Sports Specials.Termination stop at 7 ways Kingsford for tram interchange. 3. Extend T4 to Bondi a couple of blocks back from the beach but with easy access to tram stop.
Great proposal however 1 issue may be the scheduling with the L2and L3 if you want to continue it to circular quay
Instead of starting at Moore Park I would start the new light rail line at Circular Quay (Macquarie Street) and call the stop Opera House then down Macquarie Street passing by the Royal Botanical Gardens, the State Library of New South Wales, with a stop at Parliament House (allowing for interchange to Martin Place Metro Station), passing by the Mint, Hyde Park
Barracks, Queens Square, then down College Street, passing by St Mary’s Cathedral, the Australian Museum, then along Oxford Street (revitalising the tired and run down strip), then along Paddington, Woollahra, then to Moore Park and then along the route suggested on your video to Bondi Beach.
So it will be a Opera House to Bondi Beach light rail line with the route going through some of Sydney’s most significant colonial and historic sites and also allows for urban renewal and revitalisation of the currently run-down Oxford Street full of horrible traffic.
What about having light rail along the original railway to Milsons Point?
I really like this idea and I would like to see it extended to the city via Moore Park and Chalmers Street, then directly up Elizabeth Street, turning right into St James Rd and left into Macquarie Street to terminate at the Opera House.
Where is your tram depot on this route?
I think the current Randwick depot could suffice.
Your proposal to the Bondi Beach light rail solution is almost identical to the ALTRAC Light Rail solution, but with one difference: your proposal starts at Moore Park, but ALTRAC starts at Central, continuing to Bondi Junction via Oxford Street.
I wont hold my breath for this to happen
The thing is having some of it street running is bad because the trams are 5-10 cars long, also you could have it all underground and it could run directly under Westfield Bondi meaning people won’t have to exit the shops to get on a tram
Could have the line continue beyond Bondi tmaroubra/cooge or up towards Watson and Rose bay or even a loop Watsons bay trough Rose bay,Parsley bay valcluse into the city or edgecliff
The lady was changing the destination sign on the tram, I think.
I dunno how much more public transit the rich eastern suburbs need - I think it would be better spent extending the current Bondi Junction line to the beach. Would probably end up costing more cuz they'd need a tunnel boarding machine
My only problem with this is being a local of the Eastern Subs and it not going to Edgecliff. There’s no tram/train interchange! 😡
Edgecliff to Watsons Bay will be L6 😂
I think Birriga Rd would be a better option over old south head road... The old tram route!
All good to propose something like this, but really at what cost to the local community and road users. This just wouldn't work, reintroducing double track.tram system in those narrow suburban roads. What would be the outcome, traffic banned and roads turned in to pedestrian thoroughfares? If that were to happen, then the speed of the trams would be knocked back to 40kmh. If not then a shared roadway, trams would have to jostle with road traffic, as in Melbourne. If one lane either way was removed in the centre of the roadway and trams separed, the traffic jams would be a major headache. As it is Sydney's light rail is slow, can you imagine how long it would take to cover 5 kms, reckon over half an hour.
Nice proposition but antiquated, just regurgitating the old system that was replaced.
Basically the options are something like this, a $trillion metro, more of the same gridlock, or we all stay home.
Plenty of disruptions during construction that the locals won't like. 😬
the residences will object
The govt is not going to allow any further tram lines in sydney apart from the ones they are already planning to build.
Their was a tram to Bondi beach back in the day
What about have a tunnel built
All the stations are great except one. Bondi town centre. Although this would be a good station, Seven Ways would be better.
Forget about thelocals ,tey should just build it. It did haves trams before so let them be there again.
tram way to bondi but no train lines or anything to northern beaches
A good idea, way too late though.
love the idea but never going to happen
What a pity my comment keeps disappearing. I commented the moment this video uploaded
That’s weird maybe try commenting half at once?
billion with a B!?
a reason why they might not extend it is because most wealthy people live in the east, and don’t want too many people there, which why is the east of syd does not have any trains. They probably want to be more isolated so less poor people and beggars to access it and therefore cleaner and richer.
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