Great Video Jason! Thank you for the mention! Regarding the issue of Festool's warranty: We designed our cutter adapter with the help of a former Festool engineer. Similar to using an aftermarket sawblade on a saw or drill bit in a drill, the Magnuson Moss warranty act prevents a manufacturer from voiding a warranty because aftermarket parts are used. Making 4mm/5mm/6mm mortises of a shallower depth with smaller cutters subjects the Domino XL to less physical stress than it was designed for, and after selling thousands of cutter adapters over the last eight years, we're not aware of any instances where one has caused damage to the Festool Domino. Similar to how you can feed a drill or saw too fast and stall the bit or blade....or damage the drill or saw.... how the Domino XL is used (how fast it is plunged) is more of an issue than cutter size when wear is a concern.
It is unfortunate that Seneca is out of stock on the small mortise kit. These things happen; but it really puts doubts in my mind when I reach out to a company and they don’t respond.
The Small Mortise Kit is expected to be back in stock later this month! ETA is listed on the product page and will be updated if it changes. We feel your pain though on the whole 'lack of response' thing... that frustrates us too. So what company isn't responding to you? @@Markdoubts
We'll have more small mortise kits later in the month; the product page on our website has an estimated restock date and we'll update that if the timeline changes. @@Markdoubts
I bought a 500 not long after the machine was introduced and have been using it for over 10 years. I also struggled when the 700 came out trying to decide if I really needed to spend the money on a second machine. I've built over 40 chairs, numerous tables, and many other projects with my 500. I've yet to encounter a situation where only the 700 would have worked. As you say, unless you're building very large projects like entry doors, the 500 is all you really need. I'd also add that buying the 500 was the best tool purchase I've made in over 50 years of woodworking. I recently donated my old hollow chisel mortise machine to a charity tool auction because since I've owned the 500, I simply never used it. Thanks for a great video and confirming my own personal experience.
Hi, new viewer here (and now subscriber). I just wanted to say thank you. I came into this video set on the 700, for all the reasons you listed, but after thinking about it, and taking all of the information and opinions you provided I realize now that I will be absolutely set with the 500 for the foreseeable future. Thank you so much, you literally saved me a thousand Canadian dollars!
Jason, Excellent presentation. I have both. I've had the 500 for years because I was a tool tester for the North American release of the product. It truly is a revolutionary tool. My wife and I purchased the 700 because we're building 16 interior doors to replace the junk that came with the house and the 700 is irreplaceable for this task. The size is definitely the determining factor. The 700 is really cumbersome for the day-to-day projects as you have said. I think every woodworker should have a 500 and watch Sedge from festool (and you of course) to learn how to use it properly
Thank you! Yes I have been struggling trying to decide which one to get and then going back to my dowelmax. But I am in the festool family with a sander and dust collector . And I have made plenty of goofs with dowelmax
Excellent info. Exactly what I was looking to hear from some who has both tools. My take as I get ready order the 500 for an oak entry door project, I can double the a smaller domino for very large glue surfaces like 1-3/8 stock 6" long, in other words use 4 dominos.
very good summary. I did still end up with the 700 because someone was selling one virtually new with all the acessories and both starter packs for the proce of a 500. some good negotiation from my end and a little urgency on theirs meant i walked away with a new 700 for less than half of what it would normally have cost
The 700 for me as I build a lot of driveway & pedestrian gates with it - it is fantastic for large structural applications. If I were just building cabinets etc, I would definitely go for the 500. Brilliant machines that once you own them, you never knew how you managed without them.
I own both, and reach for the 700 almost every time. The ergonomics are so much nicer, and the heft of the machine keeps the cut more consistent and accurate without me having to exert myself to keep it stationary, especially into endgrain.
I have had the 700 for over ten years and have used for everything you can imagine, love it. My son has the 500 and uses mine quite a bit for contracting, when I build outdoor furniture with thicker lumber I use the 14mm dominos and they are great.
Hey Jason. Another great video - Thanks for posting. I bought the 700 (when it was much less expensive). I've since added the Seneca adapter for the smaller cutters and of course use these quite a bit. The 700 is a beast and although I've gotten used to it, I wouldn't mind having the 500. I think the 500 is a great way to go for most first time buyers.
This is some excellent advice. I've started with the DF 700 XL since I was making large furniture and outdoor pieces. Also, I love the connectors (knock-down fasteners). The big model is a a perfect choice for what I was doing. I soon bought the Seneca adapter and have made do ever since. For the past year or more, I've been thinking of buying the DF 500 (for all the reasons given in this video).
I bought the 500 before I saw your video, but I agree totally with you. It's also nice that Festool throws in the complete cutter set if you buy the complete tenon set. It's around $365, but it pays for itself when you're always needing a certain size of tenon for varying projects.
I have the small one (DF 500) and it has worked great for every project I have ever done. The Domino is expensive, but it is able to create high quality, perfectly aligned, really strong joints super fast.
Thank you for the review. I have been considering and really trying to justify buying one of these. I watched your video because I couldn’t decide which one to get so I was just gonna buy the more expensive one because “bigger & more expensive is better right?” Your truthful comparison answered all the questions I had plus the ones I didn’t even know i had yet. Lol I’m definitely going with the 500 and if I ever have a job for the 700 I’m confident I can find a work around! Thx again
Good discussion. Good advice. My Domino was bought used from a Craigslisting. A machining table for using that big moma needs to be at a low hip height , 3 or 4 inches lower than my hand tool bench for best control. The solution is to stack two 1-3/4" pads cut from a junk solid core door to jack my heinie up where it needs to be. That way I can still use the stops, vises, and hold downs on that bench.
Thanks for taking the time to put together a comparison. I reckon it really depends what you tend to make and therefore where you can save time. The 700 is a heavy tool but it’s way easier than cutting mortice and tenon joints for gates and doors, so it’s worth the investment. Thanks again.
I have both the DF500 and the DF700. The advantages of the DF700 are the new register Pins, the two settings for depth, flexibility with the adapter and the more powerful motor. The DF700 is clearly the better machine when you have the adapter bit - except for its size, weight and price. That’s why I find myself using DF500 more often just for convenience. I am just starting to appreciate the KV-SYS D8 system as I like furniture to be easy to install and to remove while retaining the strength of the Domino. I find myself mixing it with the Duo-Dowler from Mafell for cheap stabilizing dowels and the 32mm system holes.
Excellent points. After purchasing my Sawstop next year, my next investment will be a Festool 500. What sold me is when you basically said you have to think about how often you would be using the 700. You are correct, I have no intention of building huge tables that would take 4 people to move. My builds are things like TV stands, book shelves and cabinets. There would be no need for those huge dominoes cut into the wood. Thanks!
Sawstop is made by Festool so you're already in the family. Also with the 700, you can build stairs. My step father did that. And I agree, for regular furniture, the 500 is the best choice. The 700 just weighs a ton on top of being more expensive.
@@MrTresto people have been building stairs without festool for thousands of years, plus if you're building a set of stairs and for some reason WANT to use a domino, borrow one somehow just for that project.
I've had the 700 for a few years and like you there isn't a job I've done that couldn't be done with the 500. I have now got the lamello zeta p2 and I totally love it and I think it in conjunction with the 500 would suit me working on cabinets and other interior work. I'd only get the 700 if I was working on very big timbers. I couldn't contemplate working in small rooms with the 700 so it's now almost redundant. However the 500 in conjunction with the zeta p2 would keep the expense of the lamello fittings down.
The 700,even with seneca adapters is cumbersome for smaller work. I have and use both 700 and 500.Regularly. The stationary mortiser is gathering dust. Being able to take the machine to the work is the thing along with speed and accuracy and very large work is easy.
I have the 700, it's great for making household doors and joining slabs. I've purchased the 8mm cutter and have made cabinet doors and faces. Alignment is tough on the 3/4" materials.
I use the 700 !! I don't use the 500 because for small pieces I prefer Lamello/biscuit joiner With the 700 I make shelves, balcony railing, another larger things. Most of the time 10mm bit, and 12mm for balcony for example.
I own the 700. Made the decision to get the 700 instead of the 500 because there are aftermarket accessories you can buy for the 700 to do things you can with the 500. But if you own the 500 you can’t do the opposite because there are limits. May still buy a 500 later on though. You made some valid points too.
I respect your opinions I bought the 500 on your advice it’s been about a year since I bought the 500 I was needing the 700 a lot more in my shop than the 500 so I bought the 700 I feel I need to throw my opinion in for other people trying to decide maybe help them for there needs it was a instant wow for me I really like the feel the balance ergonomics extra adjustments the extra pins on the 700 is awesome I don’t even notice the extra weight because of the design seems more natural for straight plunges I am glad I have both but I have to say if you can only have one get the 700 but on the flip side having both is nice too ! But a luxury not needed this my opinion for my shop keep up the good work I enjoy what you do thnx !
I have both of these machines and agree completely. My first project, an oversized walnut door and frame, would not really have been possible with the 500 only. I used both on this project. A $20,000 door, and it came out beautiful. If you plan to use 8/4 lumber and above, then you really need the large tenons on something like a door. If you are building cabinets (my next project) then the 500 is best. I bought both, and don’t regret it.
@@Wimpyking17 the longer tenons actually do add strength, especially the larger domino XL tenons. For 4/4 lumber I use the Domino. For 8/4 or 12/4 I pull out the XL. The tenon I usually run out of is 14x100. The tenons themselves are European beech, which means they are very hard and rigid. They add a very large long grain to long grain surface for glue ups.
I have the 500. When I've built larger furniture in the past, I used a router to cut the mortices. It really didn't take all that long. I built my workbench and my kitchen table using a router. There tend to be very few large mortices on furniture; there are many more smaller mortices, so thats were the real time saving is. I got my 500 because I'm planning building cabinets for my new kitchen. I wanted to say thanks for both your kitchen cabinet video from a while ago, and your more recent kitchen island video.
Great video! I'm sure this will answer a lot of questions about the Domino! Also, I have had one project in my shop where I've said I can't do it without the Domino 700. It is was a solid ash conference table, 8 ft wide x 20 ft long, 2 inches thick, built in 4 sections using the Domino XL connectors, to be shipped across the country. I was lucky to be able to borrow a ds700 from a friend, who, incidentally, had it for 2 years and only used it once!
Jason great video sir. You just helped me out and saved me $500. Im still another project away from pulling the trigger but I’m definitely going with the 500. Thanks again fir another great video.
I had the 700 for a few years and struggled using it for small jobs even with the Seneca adapter. About 6 months ago I bought the 500 and just like you I find I use the 500 most of the time. Now I have stopped using pocket holes for a lot of my jobs (especially cabinetry) and now use 4mm or 5mm dominos. Expensive, but meh.
When I went to buy a Domino, the salesman told me the exact same thing you say in the video and I chose the 500 and I can't get enough of it. I've also spliced thicker materials using 8x40 pins and totally fine. I'm not saying I'd use it to build a patio but a bed for an acquaintance was a blast.
just ordered the 500 today. Halfway through this video I was about to cancel my order and go for the 700. But now I will stick with the 500. I normally do not go above 1 1/2" on my stock thickness. Thanks for the video great content! Would still love to have both someday though! My wife calls me a tool hoarder... The truth hurts sometimes!
I have the df500 and it really is a game changer for casework. The additional connector system even gets you into lamello territory. I can see the appeal of the 700 , but for me i think id rather have a hollow chisel mortiser for that price. However, if you need portability and additional size capability that fits in a systainer the 700 is probably worth it.
I have the DF700 & the Seneca adaptor for use with the 500 bits. Works for me & gives me a universal tool. I've built large gates & small cupboards with one Domino machine. I don't regret going the DF700 route.
I was thinking the same thing. This would have saved me days in labor when building doors. He should have been more focused on the uses of each. I am mainly concerned for doors someone else is small furniture. I believe i would push the limits of the 500 Dominos on many of my doors. I actually stopped making them because of the time it took and the lack of help who could do the same work. Either i was doing it or it wasn't getting done.
Was shopping for a biscuit cutter when I learned about the Domino tools. The first job for the tool is making a lot of joints in 1.5” bamboo countertops and like the idea of a dry joint after seeing the Domino connectors. The 500 doesn’t have a flat panel connector, but the corner connector could probably do it. I’m just unsure that it would have enough strength for such a large joint to keep it tight?
Thank you for the informative video Mr. Bent! I was vacillating between the 500 and 700. I join mostly 4/4 and 5/4 material and occasionally 8/4 and realized I could just do a stacked or twin mortise for the thicker material. I think I owe you 5 hundo! $5
There is one thing that I noticed when I received my 500, it's weight. It's not so heavy that it would wear you out, but it isn't a feather either. It is definitely a solid little machine. I would say it weighs about as much as my mid-sized router (Dewalt 621). Since I just saw that it is around seven pounds, I couldn't imagine working with the bigger one at almost twice the weight. This is one of my favorite joining tools. I now have to force myself to experiment with some more fancier joints like dove tails and finger joints. The Domino just makes it so quick and easy to put things together.
Great info, Jason~! I'm just now seeing this video, but I picked up a 500 last weekend. I had a pretty good idea that the 700 would have been too much for the projects that I do (1 1/2" thick wood or less, like you mentioned), so my choice was pretty clear going into it. Had I known about the adapter before purchasing, then I might have been tempted by the 700, but when handling it at the store I realized that it was a bit unwieldy, so I stayed strong. ;-) I've not used it yet, but I'm anxious to to do so on my next build. Thanks for the video~!
I deal with 8/4 and up mostly. I’ve seen the 500 do everything. I also think due to the tenon, if it’s longer it’s still weakest at the joint and that’s it’s break point. I would just use it for alignment. I just built a walnut table top , apron and legs. The tenons really could have helped me during clamping :)
I am assuming you used the largest domino the 500 can make for the table legs and apron. There wasn’t a point where that the bigger dominos would make the table stronger? I look at that 1 inch or so depth of the domino (one. Inch into each piece) and just wonder if that will hold up to downward sheer pressure. I am not about to cut my own M and Ts. I use the dowelmax in the place of those joints but it’s just a little to fussy for me to get the edges flush and so on. My wife wants me to build a table that will sit under our patio and I could use dowels but I’m thinking the domino would be faster and a good reason to get one too.
@@rw7532 Tabletop is its own structure. The apron attaches to the table with 1 screw on each end in the middle and 1 screw on each side in the middle - to allow expansion. The apron hangs off the table basically. The legs are attached to a frame underneath which just the table and apron simply sit on top of via 2 loose dowels. Think of it as I place the top on top of the frame and slip the dowels into the hole. It's so dang heavy it's not going anywhere. For the domino question - I think it's great? Ish. For alignment, it's great. I am a purist mostly, I do large panel glue ups with no dominos, no biscuits, no dowels on the tabletop. Only reason the domino even gets considered is when I'm trying to line up miters or something where I really don't feel like sanding a little lip because I was off a 1/16". I could easily just do a dowel, and honestly that's what I do most of the time. Patio table outside, make sure to use the right glue :) no titebond 1 or 2 I'd go III, since it's made for exterior. Long answer for something but It is what it is haha.
Good Video. I was going back and forth between choosing the 700 or 500. In the end i went with the 700 mainly due to a hue special price which ended up less than the 500. I did buy the Seneca adapter. What i build usually requires the 700, but often wish i had both mainly for the weight topic for smaller tasks. I will hang in there until there is a really good deal on the 500. Don’t really need it but would like to have it. Again for me its a want not a need. Great content from you as usual. Thanks again
I have the 500 most of m work is 1 1/2 inches or less but if I am making a table 2 inches or greater I double up the dominos side by side and it works great better than just one larger domino.
Have to admit that I had the 700 with the kit from Seneca. I live in New Zealand So add shipping costs to. I used it alot but you are right it's big tool for those smaller jobs! And I found that I was really only using it for small jobs. So I sold it and with the money I got a new 500 with all the cutters and dominoes. Very happy. BUT, I also own a Lamello and since that purchase the 500 barely sees the light of day! Truth!
This was a very helpful video! For the odd super sized project I think that a plunge router will also work for a tenon hole or a drill press with a mortice cutter (which i already own) I am going to go for the 500! Thank you for making the video!
@@fishontv6834Thank you for your reply - Festool have great designers - they have done a great job of not providing a mid-sized Festool 600 which would probably satisfy 100% of all users. I blame Festool for the problem of choosing a machine and only 2 choices! In Canada a new 700 with a few cutters will set you back about $3000. The 500 is about $2000. At the end of the day I just want an option to pocket screws and the 500 should provide that. For bigger stuff I prefer traditional time tested mortise and tenon.
Super helpful. I'm looking to buy one for my daughter, Matilde, who is training to be a furniture designer/maker. She raves about the 500 and how useful it is, but I wanted to double check that the 700 wasn't a better option. Seems like, based on the kind of work she is doing, the 500 will be perfect. If in the future she takes on bigger builds, she can invest in a 700. Thanks so much for the well-balanced advice. Andy (UK)
I wish I had watched this video when it came out. I bought the 700. I bought the Seneca adapter kit. and it does work well. However the thought of a multi-purpose tool is offset by trying to cut dominos in smaller work pieces with that bulky tool. The Seneca adapter works, but I believe the length of the shaft lends itself to a bit more sloppiness in the cut of the tenon. It works, but you really have to hold things tightly to keep that bohemoth of a tool from moving and the small work pieces are a challenge. So, now I own both. I use the 700 for larger projects and pull out the 500 for everyday furniture and most of my cabinet stuff.
Ymmv, I build gates, doors, beds and large tables more that join sheet goods - I had the DF500 it got stolen, I replaced it with a DF700 + seneca adapter + df500 cutters and I am very happy with that setup. Not that I have done it, cause I have not, but limiting you df500 cuts to 28 mm is important to not stress the adapter and cutters. You could do deeper, but realize you are stressing parts beyond their design.
Nice comparison. I bought the 700 because I was making shaker t-panel interior doors and was perfect for the job. I have entertained the idea of having both though.
Thank You! Your review and opinion for either are extremely helpful and by far most practical to weigh options. Think I’m going 500 since I won’t really do much heavy stuff anyway.
One thing I found when choosing the 700 first, was that the ergonomics of the 700 are better. It has a much better hand grip and is well balanced, whereas I found the size of the barrel of the 500 too large and uncomfortable. That is, until I realised that if you grip the electric connector at the back of the 500 it was much better and more controllable. I'm surprised that Festool haven't upgraded the 500 but I guess if it ain't broke...
Good video. Yeah, the df700 is definitely a beast, so the weight difference was a factor for me. I am happy with my df500 and agree that it is the best option for most woodworkers. Thanks Jason.
Thanks for this video man. I'm "in talks" with the wife about getting a domino and I was a little worried that I might be selling myself short by only getting the 500. Thanks for clearing up the misconceptions I had. 500 it is.
I've just bought the 500. Even before I viewed this video review, I looked at the website to look at the domino sizes. Simple logic, the bigger the domino, the heavier the construction. Logic defines that unless I'm creating large items such as door carcases or other major construction - then I would consider alternative joints such as lap joints. I can't wait to get it out the sustainer but still require a few more items from Festool as a convert from Triton and JCB.
Great video. I agree with you completely. Unfortunately when I was in the market to buy on in early April this year both were sold out with nothing in the near future. Finally came across a 700 and pulled the trigger. Do I wish I had the 500 ya but happy to just have one
Thank you. Great advise that's is how I looked it also. The 700 turned out to be $2500 if you relised you wanted to do smaller jobs. I bought the 500 just 2 months ago and after all the extras I was well into $1600
Good annalisys. I mentioned on anouthe one of your Domino videos that my 500 is about 14 years old. I design and build custom furniture. And I will restate that I have probably cut 15,000 mortices with the 500. If you are trying to decide which one to buy, get the 500. You will know if you need the 700. The 700 will be for things largert than almost all furniture. Think heavy entry doors, gates, very heavy beams, etc. The 500 pretty much handles anything smaller. And in the off chance you might once or twice need the capacity of bigger 700, cut the mortices and tenons like they were cut up until 15 years ago. If money is no object and you get the 700 you will likely want to get the 500 in addition as that one is going to be easier to use on furniture and smaller projects. While there are adapters to make the 700 work like a 500 it will be cumbersome for smaller detail work and it is going to be very heavy by comparison. I wil admit that I some times to get tired using the 500, it is not unsusual for me to cut 200 mortises in an afternoon. The 500 isself is not a feather either. I would not wnat to be cutting 200 mortises with the 700 in a single session unless I just had to do that.
Честный чувак! Я ровно к тому же пришел. Взял от жадности 700 машинку, но попользовшишь понимаю, что можно было смело брать легкую 500. Низерное количество дел, где нужны длинные настолько шипы. Но громоздкая она прилично.
500 for me - cabinets, panels, material to 40mm max. Double rows of dominoes for thicker joints, eg coffee tables legs. If doing joinery/carpentry, eg doors, gates, outdoor planters, kitchen islands, chicken runs, beehives, Peter Millard has jigs and ideas for budget routers to do what 700 does. Otherwise, a morticer or drill press attachment or simply use hand tools like I've done for 50 years since at school. 700 if the heavier jobs become regular paying jobs that require tax returns instead of for friends and family at cost
Really nice review, but that intro comment on the Domino the most revolutionary machine in recent times we could argue that . In my opinion it’s the Lamello with the Tenso connectors (Time saver times 1000)
So, if the thinnest stock I ever need jointed it’s no less than 3/4 of an inch and up. The 700 will be everything I need? I mainly want to build chairs. That’s really it.
Thanks for taking the time to compare these two machines, Jason. Like many folks, larger purchases can be a difficult process to evaluate for me without enough information. Your examples of which machine is better suited to which types of work is a huge help. A person can focus on the size and cost of the machines solely due to the prices. The real focus should be on what type of work I do most and how each tool would handle the task. I have many home renovation projects to consider from solid entry doors to cabinets to general construction. I feel I could make better use of the 500 for most tasks and when it comes to the larger projects like doors I can put my router to work to create the loose tenon joints as it's not something I will be doing as ongoing work. I can always add the 700 later if the need arises, but not likely to happen.
I will say it all depends on what you are going to use that machine for. I have a DF 500. I seriously looked at getting the DF 700, but just don't do enough large scale work that would require the larger machine but that is just me. I make more cabinet, small tables than larger furniture such as large tables or entry doors.
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Great Video Jason! Thank you for the mention! Regarding the issue of Festool's warranty: We designed our cutter adapter with the help of a former Festool engineer. Similar to using an aftermarket sawblade on a saw or drill bit in a drill, the Magnuson Moss warranty act prevents a manufacturer from voiding a warranty because aftermarket parts are used. Making 4mm/5mm/6mm mortises of a shallower depth with smaller cutters subjects the Domino XL to less physical stress than it was designed for, and after selling thousands of cutter adapters over the last eight years, we're not aware of any instances where one has caused damage to the Festool Domino. Similar to how you can feed a drill or saw too fast and stall the bit or blade....or damage the drill or saw.... how the Domino XL is used (how fast it is plunged) is more of an issue than cutter size when wear is a concern.
This is great to know and I’ll be sure to pin this comments so other can see as well!
It is unfortunate that Seneca is out of stock on the small mortise kit. These things happen; but it really puts doubts in my mind when I reach out to a company and they don’t respond.
The Small Mortise Kit is expected to be back in stock later this month! ETA is listed on the product page and will be updated if it changes. We feel your pain though on the whole 'lack of response' thing... that frustrates us too. So what company isn't responding to you? @@Markdoubts
We'll have more small mortise kits later in the month; the product page on our website has an estimated restock date and we'll update that if the timeline changes. @@Markdoubts
Still waiting for Seneca’s small mortise kit.
I bought a 500 not long after the machine was introduced and have been using it for over 10 years. I also struggled when the 700 came out trying to decide if I really needed to spend the money on a second machine. I've built over 40 chairs, numerous tables, and many other projects with my 500. I've yet to encounter a situation where only the 700 would have worked. As you say, unless you're building very large projects like entry doors, the 500 is all you really need. I'd also add that buying the 500 was the best tool purchase I've made in over 50 years of woodworking. I recently donated my old hollow chisel mortise machine to a charity tool auction because since I've owned the 500, I simply never used it. Thanks for a great video and confirming my own personal experience.
Thank you for this video!! I've ben hemming and hawing about which to get and now I feel confident about the 500.
Hi, new viewer here (and now subscriber). I just wanted to say thank you. I came into this video set on the 700, for all the reasons you listed, but after thinking about it, and taking all of the information and opinions you provided I realize now that I will be absolutely set with the 500 for the foreseeable future. Thank you so much, you literally saved me a thousand Canadian dollars!
Glad you found it helpful and welcome!
Jason, Excellent presentation. I have both. I've had the 500 for years because I was a tool tester for the North American release of the product. It truly is a revolutionary tool. My wife and I purchased the 700 because we're building 16 interior doors to replace the junk that came with the house and the 700 is irreplaceable for this task. The size is definitely the determining factor. The 700 is really cumbersome for the day-to-day projects as you have said. I think every woodworker should have a 500 and watch Sedge from festool (and you of course) to learn how to use it properly
Doors is actually one of the reasons I wanted the larger as well
I’ve had my 500 for about 5 years. Absolutely love it. I watched Sedge and learned something new about the tool even after all this time.
I only found this AFTER I'd ordered the DF500....but had been wondering if I'd made the right choice, so very helpful to see this!! Thanks!
This video has helped me big time. I was going back and forth but now I know the 500 is for me. Great Video 👍🏼
Glad you found it helpful 👍
Thank you! Yes I have been struggling trying to decide which one to get and then going back to my dowelmax. But I am in the festool family with a sander and dust collector . And I have made plenty of goofs with dowelmax
Excellent info. Exactly what I was looking to hear from some who has both tools. My take as I get ready order the 500 for an oak entry door project, I can double the a smaller domino for very large glue surfaces like 1-3/8 stock 6" long, in other words use 4 dominos.
I have a 500 and get along well with it. Your video was very informative and useful.
Great to hear!
very good summary. I did still end up with the 700 because someone was selling one virtually new with all the acessories and both starter packs for the proce of a 500. some good negotiation from my end and a little urgency on theirs meant i walked away with a new 700 for less than half of what it would normally have cost
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The 700 for me as I build a lot of driveway & pedestrian gates with it - it is fantastic for large structural applications. If I were just building cabinets etc, I would definitely go for the 500. Brilliant machines that once you own them, you never knew how you managed without them.
Totally agree!
I own both, and reach for the 700 almost every time. The ergonomics are so much nicer, and the heft of the machine keeps the cut more consistent and accurate without me having to exert myself to keep it stationary, especially into endgrain.
I was about to make this same comment. I find the 700 more stable and seems more consistent in getting good alignment.
thankyou very much for this advice.
Send time this week one of your videos helped me make a purchase decision! Just ordered the 500!
Happy to hear that!!
I have had the 700 for over ten years and have used for everything you can imagine, love it.
My son has the 500 and uses mine quite a bit for contracting, when I build outdoor furniture with thicker lumber I use the 14mm dominos and they are great.
Hey Jason. Another great video - Thanks for posting. I bought the 700 (when it was much less expensive). I've since added the Seneca adapter for the smaller cutters and of course use these quite a bit. The 700 is a beast and although I've gotten used to it, I wouldn't mind having the 500. I think the 500 is a great way to go for most first time buyers.
I’m glad you enjoyed it!! 👍👍
This is some excellent advice. I've started with the DF 700 XL since I was making large furniture and outdoor pieces. Also, I love the connectors (knock-down fasteners). The big model is a a perfect choice for what I was doing. I soon bought the Seneca adapter and have made do ever since. For the past year or more, I've been thinking of buying the DF 500 (for all the reasons given in this video).
I bought the 500 before I saw your video, but I agree totally with you. It's also nice that Festool throws in the complete cutter set if you buy the complete tenon set. It's around $365, but it pays for itself when you're always needing a certain size of tenon for varying projects.
I have the small one (DF 500) and it has worked great for every project I have ever done. The Domino is expensive, but it is able to create high quality, perfectly aligned, really strong joints super fast.
Thank you for the review. I have been considering and really trying to justify buying one of these. I watched your video because I couldn’t decide which one to get so I was just gonna buy the more expensive one because “bigger & more expensive is better right?” Your truthful comparison answered all the questions I had plus the ones I didn’t even know i had yet. Lol I’m definitely going with the 500 and if I ever have a job for the 700 I’m confident I can find a work around! Thx again
Good discussion. Good advice. My Domino was bought used from a Craigslisting. A machining table for using that big moma needs to be at a low hip height , 3 or 4 inches lower than my hand tool bench for best control. The solution is to stack two 1-3/4" pads cut from a junk solid core door to jack my heinie up where it needs to be. That way I can still use the stops, vises, and hold downs on that bench.
Your videos are precise and informative. I really appreciate that. Thank you
Thanks for taking the time to put together a comparison. I reckon it really depends what you tend to make and therefore where you can save time. The 700 is a heavy tool but it’s way easier than cutting mortice and tenon joints for gates and doors, so it’s worth the investment. Thanks again.
You’re welcome
I have both the DF500 and the DF700. The advantages of the DF700 are the new register Pins, the two settings for depth, flexibility with the adapter and the more powerful motor. The DF700 is clearly the better machine when you have the adapter bit - except for its size, weight and price. That’s why I find myself using DF500 more often just for convenience. I am just starting to appreciate the KV-SYS D8 system as I like furniture to be easy to install and to remove while retaining the strength of the Domino. I find myself mixing it with the Duo-Dowler from Mafell for cheap stabilizing dowels and the 32mm system holes.
Both! I ended up buying the df700 after having the df500 for a year. For larger projects like tables
Both is great in a perfect world
Excellent points. After purchasing my Sawstop next year, my next investment will be a Festool 500. What sold me is when you basically said you have to think about how often you would be using the 700. You are correct, I have no intention of building huge tables that would take 4 people to move. My builds are things like TV stands, book shelves and cabinets. There would be no need for those huge dominoes cut into the wood. Thanks!
Sawstop is made by Festool so you're already in the family. Also with the 700, you can build stairs. My step father did that. And I agree, for regular furniture, the 500 is the best choice. The 700 just weighs a ton on top of being more expensive.
@@MrTresto people have been building stairs without festool for thousands of years, plus if you're building a set of stairs and for some reason WANT to use a domino, borrow one somehow just for that project.
I've had the 700 for a few years and like you there isn't a job I've done that couldn't be done with the 500. I have now got the lamello zeta p2 and I totally love it and I think it in conjunction with the 500 would suit me working on cabinets and other interior work. I'd only get the 700 if I was working on very big timbers. I couldn't contemplate working in small rooms with the 700 so it's now almost redundant.
However the 500 in conjunction with the zeta p2 would keep the expense of the lamello fittings down.
I would love to try out the lamello
The 700,even with seneca adapters is cumbersome for smaller work.
I have and use both 700 and 500.Regularly.
The stationary mortiser is gathering dust.
Being able to take the machine to the work is the thing along with speed and accuracy and very large work is easy.
It’s definitely a different using experience between the two
Hands down the best explanation of differences between these two sizes. Bravo!
I have the 700, it's great for making household doors and joining slabs. I've purchased the 8mm cutter and have made cabinet doors and faces. Alignment is tough on the 3/4" materials.
Yeah large stuff like that it’s great
I use the 700 !! I don't use the 500 because for small pieces I prefer Lamello/biscuit joiner
With the 700 I make shelves, balcony railing, another larger things. Most of the time 10mm bit, and 12mm for balcony for example.
I own the 700. Made the decision to get the 700 instead of the 500 because there are aftermarket accessories you can buy for the 700 to do things you can with the 500. But if you own the 500 you can’t do the opposite because there are limits. May still buy a 500 later on though. You made some valid points too.
I respect your opinions I bought the 500 on your advice it’s been about a year since I bought the 500 I was needing the 700 a lot more in my shop than the 500 so I bought the 700 I feel I need to throw my opinion in for other people trying to decide maybe help them for there needs it was a instant wow for me I really like the feel the balance ergonomics extra adjustments the extra pins on the 700 is awesome I don’t even notice the extra weight because of the design seems more natural for straight plunges I am glad I have both but I have to say if you can only have one get the 700 but on the flip side having both is nice too ! But a luxury not needed this my opinion for my shop keep up the good work I enjoy what you do thnx !
Thank you!!
Thanks for a great video! And to your point regarding thicker material, double stack the dominoes if more strength or glue surface is needed! Thanks!
You are good. Just a thank you for all your input.
You’re welcome
The instant You shoved the dominos I knew that the 799 will be to big for me. Thank You for this honest video!
You’re welcome
I have both of these machines and agree completely. My first project, an oversized walnut door and frame, would not really have been possible with the 500 only.
I used both on this project. A $20,000 door, and it came out beautiful.
If you plan to use 8/4 lumber and above, then you really need the large tenons on something like a door.
If you are building cabinets (my next project) then the 500 is best.
I bought both, and don’t regret it.
I’m curious. Since dominos/dowels/biscuits aren’t really used to add strength, what’s the need for the longer tenons? Extra stability?
@@Wimpyking17 the longer tenons actually do add strength, especially the larger domino XL tenons. For 4/4 lumber I use the Domino. For 8/4 or 12/4 I pull out the XL. The tenon I usually run out of is 14x100. The tenons themselves are European beech, which means they are very hard and rigid. They add a very large long grain to long grain surface for glue ups.
I have the 500. When I've built larger furniture in the past, I used a router to cut the mortices. It really didn't take all that long.
I built my workbench and my kitchen table using a router. There tend to be very few large mortices on furniture; there are many more smaller mortices, so thats were the real time saving is.
I got my 500 because I'm planning building cabinets for my new kitchen. I wanted to say thanks for both your kitchen cabinet video from a while ago, and your more recent kitchen island video.
Great video! I'm sure this will answer a lot of questions about the Domino!
Also, I have had one project in my shop where I've said I can't do it without the Domino 700. It is was a solid ash conference table, 8 ft wide x 20 ft long, 2 inches thick, built in 4 sections using the Domino XL connectors, to be shipped across the country.
I was lucky to be able to borrow a ds700 from a friend, who, incidentally, had it for 2 years and only used it once!
Yeah I think that’s a great example of when the larger is needed.
That was really well explained. I have the 500 and love it. Like you I don’t use large thick materials.
Glad you found it helpful
Jason great video sir. You just helped me out and saved me $500. Im still another project away from pulling the trigger but I’m definitely going with the 500. Thanks again fir another great video.
You’re welcome
I had the 700 for a few years and struggled using it for small jobs even with the Seneca adapter. About 6 months ago I bought the 500 and just like you I find I use the 500 most of the time. Now I have stopped using pocket holes for a lot of my jobs (especially cabinetry) and now use 4mm or 5mm dominos. Expensive, but meh.
I’m sure the cost difference using the dominos vs the pocket screws is negligible. Now you don’t have to but the screws so that’s a plus 👍
When I went to buy a Domino, the salesman told me the exact same thing you say in the video and I chose the 500 and I can't get enough of it. I've also spliced thicker materials using 8x40 pins and totally fine. I'm not saying I'd use it to build a patio but a bed for an acquaintance was a blast.
You just saved me hundreds of dollars. Looks like all is need is the 500. Thanks!
You’re welcome
Very helpful video, thanks Jason! I know a lot of people have a "bigger is always better" mentality but i think practicality is more important.
Glad you found it helpful
just ordered the 500 today. Halfway through this video I was about to cancel my order and go for the 700. But now I will stick with the 500. I normally do not go above 1 1/2" on my stock thickness. Thanks for the video great content! Would still love to have both someday though! My wife calls me a tool hoarder... The truth hurts sometimes!
You will be happy with either I’m sure.
I have the df500 and it really is a game changer for casework. The additional connector system even gets you into lamello territory. I can see the appeal of the 700 , but for me i think id rather have a hollow chisel mortiser for that price. However, if you need portability and additional size capability that fits in a systainer the 700 is probably worth it.
Great points!
I have the DF700 & the Seneca adaptor for use with the 500 bits. Works for me & gives me a universal tool. I've built large gates & small cupboards with one Domino machine. I don't regret going the DF700 route.
I was thinking the same thing. This would have saved me days in labor when building doors. He should have been more focused on the uses of each. I am mainly concerned for doors someone else is small furniture. I believe i would push the limits of the 500 Dominos on many of my doors. I actually stopped making them because of the time it took and the lack of help who could do the same work. Either i was doing it or it wasn't getting done.
Was shopping for a biscuit cutter when I learned about the Domino tools. The first job for the tool is making a lot of joints in 1.5” bamboo countertops and like the idea of a dry joint after seeing the Domino connectors. The 500 doesn’t have a flat panel connector, but the corner connector could probably do it. I’m just unsure that it would have enough strength for such a large joint to keep it tight?
Thank you for the informative video Mr. Bent! I was vacillating between the 500 and 700. I join mostly 4/4 and 5/4 material and occasionally 8/4 and realized I could just do a stacked or twin mortise for the thicker material.
I think I owe you 5 hundo!
$5
Glad it was helpful!
There is one thing that I noticed when I received my 500, it's weight. It's not so heavy that it would wear you out, but it isn't a feather either. It is definitely a solid little machine. I would say it weighs about as much as my mid-sized router (Dewalt 621). Since I just saw that it is around seven pounds, I couldn't imagine working with the bigger one at almost twice the weight. This is one of my favorite joining tools. I now have to force myself to experiment with some more fancier joints like dove tails and finger joints. The Domino just makes it so quick and easy to put things together.
Yeah it definitely makes the process much faster 👍
Great info, Jason~! I'm just now seeing this video, but I picked up a 500 last weekend. I had a pretty good idea that the 700 would have been too much for the projects that I do (1 1/2" thick wood or less, like you mentioned), so my choice was pretty clear going into it. Had I known about the adapter before purchasing, then I might have been tempted by the 700, but when handling it at the store I realized that it was a bit unwieldy, so I stayed strong. ;-) I've not used it yet, but I'm anxious to to do so on my next build. Thanks for the video~!
Glad you found it helpful
I deal with 8/4 and up mostly. I’ve seen the 500 do everything. I also think due to the tenon, if it’s longer it’s still weakest at the joint and that’s it’s break point. I would just use it for alignment. I just built a walnut table top , apron and legs. The tenons really could have helped me during clamping :)
I am assuming you used the largest domino the 500 can make for the table legs and apron. There wasn’t a point where that the bigger dominos would make the table stronger? I look at that 1 inch or so depth of the domino (one. Inch into each piece) and just wonder if that will hold up to downward sheer pressure. I am not about to cut my own M and Ts. I use the dowelmax in the place of those joints but it’s just a little to fussy for me to get the edges flush and so on. My wife wants me to build a table that will sit under our patio and I could use dowels but I’m thinking the domino would be faster and a good reason to get one too.
@@rw7532 Tabletop is its own structure. The apron attaches to the table with 1 screw on each end in the middle and 1 screw on each side in the middle - to allow expansion. The apron hangs off the table basically. The legs are attached to a frame underneath which just the table and apron simply sit on top of via 2 loose dowels. Think of it as I place the top on top of the frame and slip the dowels into the hole. It's so dang heavy it's not going anywhere.
For the domino question - I think it's great? Ish. For alignment, it's great. I am a purist mostly, I do large panel glue ups with no dominos, no biscuits, no dowels on the tabletop. Only reason the domino even gets considered is when I'm trying to line up miters or something where I really don't feel like sanding a little lip because I was off a 1/16". I could easily just do a dowel, and honestly that's what I do most of the time.
Patio table outside, make sure to use the right glue :) no titebond 1 or 2 I'd go III, since it's made for exterior.
Long answer for something but It is what it is haha.
Good Video. I was going back and forth between choosing the 700 or 500. In the end i went with the 700 mainly due to a hue special price which ended up less than the 500. I did buy the Seneca adapter. What i build usually requires the 700, but often wish i had both mainly for the weight topic for smaller tasks. I will hang in there until there is a really good deal on the 500. Don’t really need it but would like to have it. Again for me its a want not a need. Great content from you as usual. Thanks again
Both machines are amazing. It’s definitely nice to have both for sure.
Thanks so much. I have both. This will help so many.
Glad you found it helpful
I have the 500 most of m work is 1 1/2 inches or less but if I am making a table 2 inches or greater I double up the dominos side by side and it works great better than just one larger domino.
Have to admit that I had the 700 with the kit from Seneca. I live in New Zealand So add shipping costs to. I used it alot but you are right it's big tool for those smaller jobs! And I found that I was really only using it for small jobs. So I sold it and with the money I got a new 500 with all the cutters and dominoes. Very happy. BUT, I also own a Lamello and since that purchase the 500 barely sees the light of day! Truth!
I would like to try the lamello
very good video. I have been looking for someone to do a no nonsense video comparing the two.
Glad you found it helpful
Great video. Agree that most will be fine with the 500. I also own both and have barely used the 700 while the 500 is used on every project.
This was a very helpful video! For the odd super sized project I think that a plunge router will also work for a tenon hole or a drill press with a mortice cutter (which i already own) I am going to go for the 500! Thank you for making the video!
You're limiting yourself with the 500. Good luck.
@@fishontv6834Thank you for your reply - Festool have great designers - they have done a great job of not providing a mid-sized Festool 600 which would probably satisfy 100% of all users. I blame Festool for the problem of choosing a machine and only 2 choices!
In Canada a new 700 with a few cutters will set you back about $3000. The 500 is about $2000.
At the end of the day I just want an option to pocket screws and the 500 should provide that.
For bigger stuff I prefer traditional time tested mortise and tenon.
Super helpful. I'm looking to buy one for my daughter, Matilde, who is training to be a furniture designer/maker. She raves about the 500 and how useful it is, but I wanted to double check that the 700 wasn't a better option. Seems like, based on the kind of work she is doing, the 500 will be perfect. If in the future she takes on bigger builds, she can invest in a 700. Thanks so much for the well-balanced advice. Andy (UK)
Glad it was helpful!
Really appreciate this video. It solidifies my original want of having both
In a perfect world both is nice!
I wish I had watched this video when it came out. I bought the 700. I bought the Seneca adapter kit. and it does work well. However the thought of a multi-purpose tool is offset by trying to cut dominos in smaller work pieces with that bulky tool. The Seneca adapter works, but I believe the length of the shaft lends itself to a bit more sloppiness in the cut of the tenon. It works, but you really have to hold things tightly to keep that bohemoth of a tool from moving and the small work pieces are a challenge. So, now I own both. I use the 700 for larger projects and pull out the 500 for everyday furniture and most of my cabinet stuff.
Wow, excellent presentation, Jason. Thanks for sharing. Scott
Thank you and you’re welcome
@@bentswoodworking I’m currently watching your WorkbenchCon presentation. I was there, but somehow missed it.
Well at least you still get to see it 👍
@@bentswoodworking Yes, I was thrilled to see it listed among your vids.
Ymmv, I build gates, doors, beds and large tables more that join sheet goods - I had the DF500 it got stolen, I replaced it with a DF700 + seneca adapter + df500 cutters and I am very happy with that setup. Not that I have done it, cause I have not, but limiting you df500 cuts to 28 mm is important to not stress the adapter and cutters. You could do deeper, but realize you are stressing parts beyond their design.
Nice comparison. I bought the 700 because I was making shaker t-panel interior doors and was perfect for the job. I have entertained the idea of having both though.
Yeah big doors like that, the 700 is perfect!
Thank You! Your review and opinion for either are extremely helpful and by far most practical to weigh options. Think I’m going 500 since I won’t really do much heavy stuff anyway.
Glad you found it helpful
Thanks this really helped me understand the differences between the too machines, it helped with my purchase decision.
One thing I found when choosing the 700 first, was that the ergonomics of the 700 are better. It has a much better hand grip and is well balanced, whereas I found the size of the barrel of the 500 too large and uncomfortable. That is, until I realised that if you grip the electric connector at the back of the 500 it was much better and more controllable. I'm surprised that Festool haven't upgraded the 500 but I guess if it ain't broke...
I love the 500 and have yet to run into a project where i needed anything more.
Same with me 👍
Agree
Good video. Yeah, the df700 is definitely a beast, so the weight difference was a factor for me. I am happy with my df500 and agree that it is the best option for most woodworkers. Thanks Jason.
Glad you enjoyed it!
The ultimate question. Great video, thanks for the shoutout, Jason!
You’re very welcome!
Thanks for this video man. I'm "in talks" with the wife about getting a domino and I was a little worried that I might be selling myself short by only getting the 500. Thanks for clearing up the misconceptions I had. 500 it is.
I've just bought the 500. Even before I viewed this video review, I looked at the website to look at the domino sizes. Simple logic, the bigger the domino, the heavier the construction. Logic defines that unless I'm creating large items such as door carcases or other major construction - then I would consider alternative joints such as lap joints. I can't wait to get it out the sustainer but still require a few more items from Festool as a convert from Triton and JCB.
Great video. I agree with you completely. Unfortunately when I was in the market to buy on in early April this year both were sold out with nothing in the near future. Finally came across a 700 and pulled the trigger. Do I wish I had the 500 ya but happy to just have one
Like I said in the video, either is a pleasure to use 👍👍
Thank you , you just helped me decide!
Glad I could help!
Thank you. Great advise that's is how I looked it also. The 700 turned out to be $2500 if you relised you wanted to do smaller jobs. I bought the 500 just 2 months ago and after all the extras I was well into $1600
I use the 500 99% of the time for sure.
Thanks for the info Jason! Another great video.
Thanks brother
I'm treating myself for Christmas and Buying a domino. I've went back and forth a bunch of times. Definitely going with the 500 based on this video.
Glad you found it helpful
Thank you for the info on both tools.
You’re welcome
Exactly the information that I needed! Thanks so much!
Glad it was helpful!
Absolutely love this video. Thank you Jason!
You’re welcome
Thank you for the big help!
Good annalisys. I mentioned on anouthe one of your Domino videos that my 500 is about 14 years old. I design and build custom furniture. And I will restate that I have probably cut 15,000 mortices with the 500. If you are trying to decide which one to buy, get the 500. You will know if you need the 700. The 700 will be for things largert than almost all furniture. Think heavy entry doors, gates, very heavy beams, etc. The 500 pretty much handles anything smaller. And in the off chance you might once or twice need the capacity of bigger 700, cut the mortices and tenons like they were cut up until 15 years ago. If money is no object and you get the 700 you will likely want to get the 500 in addition as that one is going to be easier to use on furniture and smaller projects. While there are adapters to make the 700 work like a 500 it will be cumbersome for smaller detail work and it is going to be very heavy by comparison. I wil admit that I some times to get tired using the 500, it is not unsusual for me to cut 200 mortises in an afternoon. The 500 isself is not a feather either. I would not wnat to be cutting 200 mortises with the 700 in a single session unless I just had to do that.
Bought the 500 on the recommendation of a friend. Definitely, the right tool for me. Blessings! BTW: enjoy your channel
Awesome! Thank you!
Честный чувак! Я ровно к тому же пришел. Взял от жадности 700 машинку, но попользовшишь понимаю, что можно было смело брать легкую 500. Низерное количество дел, где нужны длинные настолько шипы. Но громоздкая она прилично.
I own a 700 and bought an adapter that make it possible to use the 500 cutters.
500 for me - cabinets, panels, material to 40mm max. Double rows of dominoes for thicker joints, eg coffee tables legs. If doing joinery/carpentry, eg doors, gates, outdoor planters, kitchen islands, chicken runs, beehives, Peter Millard has jigs and ideas for budget routers to do what 700 does. Otherwise, a morticer or drill press attachment or simply use hand tools like I've done for 50 years since at school. 700 if the heavier jobs become regular paying jobs that require tax returns instead of for friends and family at cost
Really nice review, but that intro comment on the Domino the most revolutionary machine in recent times we could argue that . In my opinion it’s the Lamello with the Tenso connectors (Time saver times 1000)
Also an awesome machine
Thank you for the great presentation and honest review!
You’re welcome
Really appreciate your POV. It did help 👊
Glad to hear
My Domino DF 500 arrives tomorrow. =) looking forward to making use of it.
You will love it
This is super useful information- thanks so much. Off to get the 500. Don’t hate me internet.
great video,you answered all the questions i was looking at,thank you
You’re welcome!!
Good stuff. Thanks. I think I “need” both 😊😊
Yes you do 🤣
So, if the thinnest stock I ever need jointed it’s no less than 3/4 of an inch and up. The 700 will be everything I need? I mainly want to build chairs. That’s really it.
Got my 500 a few weeks ago. Best purchase I ever made.
Congratulations!!
Thanks for taking the time to compare these two machines, Jason. Like many folks, larger purchases can be a difficult process to evaluate for me without enough information. Your examples of which machine is better suited to which types of work is a huge help. A person can focus on the size and cost of the machines solely due to the prices. The real focus should be on what type of work I do most and how each tool would handle the task. I have many home renovation projects to consider from solid entry doors to cabinets to general construction. I feel I could make better use of the 500 for most tasks and when it comes to the larger projects like doors I can put my router to work to create the loose tenon joints as it's not something I will be doing as ongoing work. I can always add the 700 later if the need arises, but not likely to happen.
Well said. FYI: I have had the 500 for over a year. It’s Perfect for the average woodworker/hobbyist.
I will say it all depends on what you are going to use that machine for. I have a DF 500. I seriously looked at getting the DF 700, but just don't do enough large scale work that would require the larger machine but that is just me. I make more cabinet, small tables than larger furniture such as large tables or entry doors.
Agreed