Is This TRASH? || The Truth About Expensive Tools
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I love that you got other content creators to colab for this video. I enjoy the balance of instruction and humor, keep up the great work!
Agreed, but we need links to all of them! I only follow a few of the ones who cameoed.
As a small shop owner I found that hand cut mortice & tenons were just fine for what I was doing. But as demand increased, the speed that the loose tenon method the Domino gives just made sense. I only have the 500 as I still use hand cut for large (over 2") tenons in big pieces like dining tables, so the 500 fits my need perfectly. I wouldn't be without it now. The lack of true competitor is where Festool hit you, but once that patent expires, expect to see Makita et al producing clones at more competitive pricing.
TL/DR: If you are making lots of things and making any money from it, the Domino is a great friend to have. If a hobbyist, maybe just a luxury.
It's important to note that the reason there isn't a true competitor to the Festool Domino is because they have a patent on it, just like they had on the Track saw. However, their patent on the track saw expired and this you see a bunch of competitors like Makita, Milwaukee, Kreg, etc. Out there now for much cheaper too. The patent on the Domino is set to expire at the end of 2024, so I'd expect big manufacturers to have their own version ready to go in 2025. If you're willing to wait, it could be a substantial savings, but it's still not a Festool.
There's nothing really special about festool. Only pinheaded brand loyal weiners think so.
Biscuits
The patents MIGHT end in 2024.
From my understanding there could have been tweaks to the design that would have required patent updates, and thus patents would have gotten extended. At least from the research I've done.
So it may or may not end at that time.
I'm going to assume it will probably be past 2024 only because the Domino XL came out a few years after the original Domino, and I think there are a couple of design changes along with that.
@@DESX312 You can't extend a patent beyond 20 years. If they patent any changes, only the changes will still have patent protection. The protection for all the features of the original Domino will expire after 20 years.
Yeah, someone might come out with a well built one. Look at Ave's review of the saw. These guys do have great ideas, but the execution is such that if a part needs high end, they won't skimp, but they will skimp where they can. Logical, but not inspirational. I guess so long as they make it last till the patent expires, they have done god's work.
Thanks for the lead on the 2024 patent expiry. When it is market priced, it will be an worthwhile addition.
I'm a DIYer/Hobbyist and rationalized my purchase of a DF500 with this thought.
My enjoyment when woodworking comes from the design element and seeing those designs come to life, more than from perfecting technical skills like hand cut mortice & tenons, dovetails, etc.
If the Domino enables me that enjoyment and the ability to produce professional quality joinery, then it's worth it for me.
100% agree. I justified purchase for the same reasons. The more honey do items checked off the list the better. Allows me to develop adjacent skills and when I have time, I’ll go down the traditional joinery rabbit hole .
That just perfectly put into words how I justified mine recently, better than I've managed to express it myself, thank you. Seeing my designs come to life, beautiful 👍
I think we’re all in the same boat here. I felt the same way and have done the same. Thanks for your thoughts!
The domino saves lumber, eliminates mistakes, and reduces design time, too. Have you ever cut tendons on a piece to later find out the piece is too short, that’s a mistake I would make. If you are building with mortises and tendons, you must add the length of your tendons to the pieces that will have tendons.
I design my projects in Sketchup and I have a library of dominos to use so all I have to do is place them on the joint and check for clearances and determine the number of dominos required. I would hate to model each mortise and each tendon that the pieces of the project requires
Great video! You can always use the Triton Dowelling Jointer to drill the holes initially, and then increase the depth with a drill. This allows you to increase the depth equal to or deeper than the Festool Domino. ☺️
Great idea!
Came in to make this very comment
Comment thief! LOL!
For $1200 it’s probably worth the time!
Or just skip the jointer and use the drill to begin with.
@@Adierit the jointer positions your holes correctly and then the holes act as a guide for more depth.
Yeah, it can be done with just a drill but it’ll take more time to get it right.
Who knew the patented hip thrust was both practical and sensual. Stupendous.
20:49
One dowel to the other: Hey baby, do you come here often? Let's get hammered tonight!
The hip thrust bit had me roll on the floor laughing. Thanks for that.
One other down side of the dowel jointer is that it doesn't have an option to make over width holes to make alignment easier.
FYI although I don't own either a triton dowel or festool domino but I watched alot of RUclips videos, so I am basically a pro on both tools
Wife walked in and asked what I was watching just as it got to the hip thrust montage. Sleeping in the woodshop tonight.
I don't need a $1600 domino joiner, biscuits have been good enough. I will wait for Festools patent to expire and then buy a Makita or Milwaukee domino joiner for $300.
I feel the same way. I can't wait for that patent to end.
Good luck with that!!!
Great video, informative, very funny, and love all the other content makers participating. You kind of short changed the dowel concept. Sure that machine drilling just two dowel holes has lots of limitations. But dowel joinery can be done with simpler tools such as DowelMax which allows you to drill as deep as you like and with as many dowel holes as you like, anywhere you want., using 1/4” to 1/2” dowels. Tests show multiple dowels joints can be stronger than domino joints. So as a DYI guy, I’m sticking with dowel joints.
I felt the same way. I mean, to defend his video, he is only comparing joining 'machines' and not joining 'techniques' so I can understand why jigs like Dowelmax or Jessem didn't make it on the list. But yeah, for a hobbyist like me that isn't pumping out work on a daily basis trying to turn a profit, using a jig that costs a fraction of the price is definitely worth it even if the set up is a bit longer.
Awesome timing. I just got my Domino 700 XL (first Festool tool) just over 2 weeks ago, and I was utterly amazed and absolutely ENJOY using the thing.
This honestly kind of made me angry as I had brought it thinking that I would take it back if it didn't knock my socks off. I said it HAD TO to justify the price!
Needless to say I am already about $600+ extra in with the 4 cutter heads + dominos + Seneca accessories + TSO big foot accessory, etc....
Damn you Festool! You got me!
You sure do make things a LOT more fun. Thanks for the run-down on the benefits as well as showing the competitors.
Here you can even buy a 16mm domino (0,63 inches), not from Festool, but aftermarket one. It is primarily used for doors and other large pieces. And my local domino producer also makes oak dominos usually for outdoor furniture. Or extra wide 14mm tenons, these ones are indestructible! (You make a regular hole and then use the first pin to enlarge it to 40mm width, clever and fast)
Would love a link or manufacture name for the 16mm cutters. Thanks.
The hip thrust montage alone made this video worth it.
One thing i'm curious about, I've heard that the Festool patent for the Domino is set to expire soon which will allow other manufacturers to build their own version. Just wondering if there's something to that?
Jason, you spoke the truth when you mentioned “whenever a RUclipsr whips out a ---“. That is what I call integrity….well done sir.
I know you have a lot of Festool stuff and I don’t begrudge that but there are, frankly, a lot of excellent quality alternatives to many Festool products. I simply won’t spend the money if excellence is available at a fraction of the price. As for the domino joiner….there no real alternatives short of a massive increase in my skill level.
I finally made the plunge and bought the 500 domino joiner. I agonized for months but I finally came down to the fact that my aspiration was to build furniture and my first piece would have retailed for over $10.000…..so, yeah I justified the purchase. My conclusion? A total game changer and worth the money. I have a biscuit joiner and it is fine to a point but it just does not have the shear strength that the mortise and tenon joint offers. I hate to say it but the German engineering comes through loud and clear. If I didn’t think I would be building the projects that I am I never would have made the purchase.
Nice job Jason.
I'll probably never be able to make half the projects you do, but still love watching! Keep it up.
Always informative and fun to watch. Thank you!
I have to say I love your content and you always have me laughing.
Laugh and learn is the best combo!!
Great work!!
That was a great video. Humor. Instruction. Guest appearances. Detailed but not boring. 💪
I tried Kreg pocket screw jigs, handheld doweling jigs, self-centering clamping doweling jigs, and then settled on the immaculate Dowelmax jig. But by the time I went through all those iterations, including wasted wood, I was about three quarters of the way to the Domino 500. The lesson I keep learning over and over is that saving up and getting the good tool is always better (and maybe even cheaper) than trying to find less-expensive ways of doing the same thing.
Exactly this. I spent months debating on whether or not to spend the money on one or try and build a jig with a router. In the end the amount of additional time and effort required on an inferior manual product would far exceed the initial cost of just getting the right tool in the first place. Can't wait to start using the 500 I just picked up the other day.
Dows are ok and can be easier than a Domino if you use dowel pointers to mark your holes.
I kind of think the dowel jigs are faster than Domino but not as glue surface
I haven't had any luck with dowel jigs, seems my alignments are always off just enough to be aggravating. I haven't tried a domino joiner yet, I want to try a dual dowler but I'm still skeptical on them also.
@@TheWayne660 yes to me dowels and Dominos are the same principle with lining up and carefully marking and labeling each piece.
To me dowels have a slight advantage over Domino's
Lookup dowel pointers
Can get at harbor freight, Amazon etc
I have a vid on them
ruclips.net/video/kAfiH2XOkWI/видео.html
@@TheWayne660 Dowelmax or Jessem are very accurate. Others are junk, I have multiple cheap ones collecting dust and only use Dowelmax.
So much for "Family Friendly Content"!!! 🙂
I love your commentary and the collaborations with other makers.
Love the Cameos that was unexpected, glad to see your fellow content creators get in on the fun!
I have wondered about this for a long time. Even way back when Norm was doing biscuits. No one explained it, or pulled back the curtain, and I was too lazy to look into it. We're talking 20+ years here. 😂
I’ve had one for years and am torn. They are great at what they do but what they do is largely replace what I love/hate about woodworking: joinery. I say if you do a lot a casework and can afford it, get it. Tools are cool. If you don’t do a lot of large scale work, don’t bother.
I know very few people who drop money on expensive things (like Festool tools) who then are able to objectively critique it. Kudos to you. It seems most people who spend this much money convince themselves it was worth it at all cost. I like it when a person can still say, "Yeah, it's got some pros and cons."
Really glad you mentioned Triton's Doweling Joiner - I have Grizzly's version and it really makes joinery easier. I'm a hobbiest - I cannot justify the cost of a Domino Joiner - but I really like the convenience and especially the speed of a joiner tool like the Doweler or Domino. I think it's the best alternative to a domino unless you are flushed with cash or making furniture full time.
Love watching people, like you, utilize the best tools available to fine tune your craft. Me... I'm a hobbyist woodworker and while I'd love to own a Domino or Origin router, but they are way out of my price range and only a dream. I'd never be able to justify their purchase, so I'll be sticking with biscuits & doweling jig and my manual routers. ;)
Keep up the great content!
Same here although I did build a horizontal mortiser
It’s hard to beat a doweling jig when you’re outside of a production setting.
@@ericw9655 Agreed, they work very well.
I also had a hard time parting with $400 on a decent track saw (Makita, not Festool)... but it will get plenty of use.
No reason not to use free tenons if you want to, easy to make your own tenons to fit whatever size mortice you want to cut, using only a router, router table and table saw…, I just did it on my first ever furniture project, a red oak K.S. Bed
Best entertainment, and I always learn something! Thanks for sharing, Jason!
One of my favorite woodworkers. Thanks for keeping it fun and informative.
I got the small Domino from my wife and my daughters to my 50th birthday and I love it. But I'm afraid I have to wait for my 60th to get the XL ;-)
There are so many other possibilites I build a printer stand for my brother. It was only a box. (boring) Then I cut it off-center in two pieces and connected it with (many) dominos, but the dominos are visible (1,5cm). It looks like ribs. I think it looks really cool. ;-)
The direct eye contact while repeating "hip thrust" multiple times .... perfection
I LOVE your sense of humor, and your videos.
That made me laugh out loud. Love the cameos. Nice work again Jason!
Great video. The “Moth Makes” segment was hilarious.
Love your vids always - esp the treehouse ones!!
Hands down the funniest video so far Jason! 😂 loved the Cosplay. Keep the great content coming.
Hands down one of my favorite Festool products. I have the 500 and looking forward to getting the 700. Outstanding video!
Got both, they are fantastic, quick and accurate. Bloody expensive. Reason there is some much noise around them nothing comes close to being as good
OMG that hip thrust montage was hilarious.
Erik with the direct eye contact, that's professional experience right there!
A few years ago we made a test 90 degree joint for some big doors, in 6"x2" merbau hardwood, we used two rows of 3 large dominoes and glued it with epoxy. We took it to an engineering shop and the put it in a press and tested the joint, it broke the timber with 6 tonnes of pressure. Dominoes are strong.
Hello Jason, I am not a wood work enthusiast but out of curiosity in learning how kitchen cabinets are made and installed I stumbled on your channel back in June 2022 and I must say, its your sense of humor that got me even more interested in learning wood work from your many videos. Thanks for making your videos fun and worthwhile to watch. Your instructions couldn't be even more crystal clear. Maybe one day I will start my little back-of-the-house workshop😄
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The hip thrust was funny enough, bet then everyone joining in absolutely made my day. My goodness, you guys are hilarious!
Informative and entertaining, great combination.
This was the best of all your craziness, love it!
I can't afford a Porsche 911 Turbo S, but that doesn't mean I bitch about other people driving one. Luckily I can afford a Domino and have had one for 15+ years and never regretted buying it. I'm so tired of people bitching about the Domino. If you feel like doing everything with handtools in candle light, kudos to you.
Definitely not trash. 👌
I've been working with both of them for four years now.
Very versatile machines.
Ok...the hip thrust segment...PURE GOLD 🤣
Best comical skits ever plus some great info of course 🙌🏼
Thanks for all the great info; also, that table base you had in this video was beautiful…did you do a video of that build? Thx!
my cabinet shops been using the festool for years love it!
I just got another notification about this video while I was watching this video. RUclips algorithm hard at work recommending stuff I’ve already seen… and people are worried about AI. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
good video. I prebought and waited on the original. Loved it, but that inconsistency was a huge issue. Second if you have small thin pieces you were always having to do jigs. I developed a method where i stabilized the top as you with one hand and only used my thumb and forefinger to apply fwd pressure. That provided stable results. I used it for about a year and a half. I finally sold it for what i paid for it and bought the powermatic virticle mortising machine (at the time 900 bucks). I don't regret it and use it all the time.. It solved the slop issue, and allowed for monster mortises. Cheers.
The domino coat/hat rack is actually a pretty good idea.
Great vid, like you say though its not for the average diy person and yes there are cheaper alternatives like the triton but that comes with a whole host of problems which include off centre holes which means they dont always line up
I kept eye contact during the hip thrusts.
The Festool Domino is the best machine you can own in your workshop. You can use it for almost every project, it saves a lot of time and is totally worth the money.
Arguably by far a better purchase to a Festool's Domino Jointer is a Panto Router. About 200 bucks cheaper if you already have a compatible router. If not then approximately the same cost for way more functionality. Its even possible to source and build your own since its mostly aluminum extrusions and bearings.
Obvious alternatives are dowl jigs and domino jigs for routers and drill. They can be purchased or better yet 3D printed.
I've never been here before, but I love how the video gradually became more unhinged as it went 😅
Classic, hilarious and informative all at the same time. Per usual for you Bourbon moth. Love it!!
11:34, LOL!!! I have a domino 500 (for about a month). I LOVE IT! I had a ryobi biscuit joiner for about 15 years and hardly used it. I have used the domino more in a month, and the biscuit joiner in 15 years... I'm making a lot of display cases/boxes and need it for bevels and miters. It's great, and easy to use. Yeah, I've had a couple times where it twisted, and yeah, it was because I wasn't bracing it well enough. I will for sure be trying the "hip thrust technique".
The hip thrust!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
That was great!
You are such a great communicator and funny, thanks for your vidéos 🤩
counter-point to the downside of the shallowness of the doweling tool, is that you can grab a matching drillbit and drill and just drill the holes deeper now that you have them already aligned and so on, so you can drill it as deep as you want it to be with your dowel...
I bought the 500 I went to hartville hardware they did the demonstration talked about needs and bought it it’s great to use if you’re off during your dry fit you can move it over 1mm to give yourself some play
Got the Triton and the Grizzly dowel joiner. They are the exact same tool - except the power button on the Grizzly has the power button further up on the handle which is way safer than the Triton.
Thanks for the response. I'm an 'old timer' that has no interest in "social media". I guess that's why I like the solitude and the creativeness of woodworking. When I first started, (in woodworking) a friend (who owns Eagle Tools in Los Angeles) told me about this company, Festool. With limited work space, he suggested their Track Saw over a space consuming table saw. Best move I ever could have made. Combined with the dust extraction system, my shop saw dust is very limited. You guessed it! From there came the Domino, and the Rotex Sanders. The dust extraction system and my health make them worth every penny.
With the dowel joiner, you can always just follow it up with a standard drill to make it deeper. Just an extra step.
The hip thrust. I was laughing so hard my wife came in to the living room to check on me. That was amazing.
Loved the hip thrust montage!!!
OMG... those last tips are the bomb!
I love the sign ( don’t cut your fingers off) good advice for everyone! George Carlin used to say he would give “practical “ advice to people like “don’t get run over “😂🤣
The hip thrust segment made me feel dirty.... and laugh. The two things I'm subscribed for👍🏻
The pelvic thrust montage was gold!
I don't know if this is the most hilarious or disturbing video you've done. The hip thrust montage or the costumes. You are one of a kind. 🤣 Fortunately, I have access to a Domino if i really need one for a project, but im not a pro and cant justify (write off) the cost. Maybe when I retire and do more...
All though it would be nice to add a domino to my collection of tools, as stated by others, I can't see one in my shop. Most of my work is done for my home, wife, and family. I'll stick with dowels. It's all about the dollars and cents. If you don't have the dollars, it doesn't make any since.
Great video though, Thanks!
Well…I’ve never laughed out loud at a woodworking vid before but the hip thrust segment did it. Thanks. I needed that.
I have been doing the same with a plunge router and a homemade jig to make the slots and make my own domino's to fit
You are absolutely right! I do hate you for using a Domino. It is a great tool, but one that I will never be able to afford, until the knock-offs arrive.
Knock offs are incoming as the patent expires soon.
Same wish could afford it but to be honest a still maintain its just over priced and overrated biscuit jointer. 👍🏴
@@michaelwillson6847 not a biscuit joiner at all did you just not watch the video?
you had me at the eye contact with the hip thrust
I love my Domino! Just a thought on the Lemello doweler. After drilling the dowel holes, you could quickly and easily deepen them with a drill. It would only take a few seconds. Then use longer dowels.
The leigh fmt comes close to a festool domino. You cut the mortise with a plunge router. The loose tenon is cut on the tablesaw and router table.
To get the added strength with the Triton dowel joiner by going deeper, use the Triton to set the location of the dowel holes, then drill them to any depth you want.
I always learn so much, and you're hilarious!! Thanks for the laughs!
You have good friends Jason. Lol. The thrust montage was awesome.
Loved the video Jason!❤
The hip thrust montage was absolutely hilarious.
Jason, you're a gem. Don't change dude
There is an attachment for a router that makes domino slots.
Been using a $50 doweling jig for years works great
The hip thrust tech ..priceless :)
😂😂 The haters cut-scene was comedic gold!
That montage was awesome!!!
The hip thrust sequence is the best thing ever 😂
We didn't ask for a hip thrust montage, but we certainly received one. Great demonstration of the technique.
Hip thrust really got me 🤣
Jason I laughed so loud when the patented hip thrust compilation played. Too awesome but I will stay domino-less.
I appreciate the video and was LOL during the hip thrust bit. Cheers! I was wondering why you didn't mention beadlock or a simple jig on a plunge router. I have done m&t by hand and enjoy the process. Not quite ready for a Domino jointer
Domino seams prety comfortable, but it depends, where you are located. In my small town you won't be able to get the connectors, so i prefer maffel joiner. basicly the same thing, but i can make 8 mm, 5mm , 15mm holes, so i can use basic 8 x 40 connectors. Anyway, Greetings from Latvia! Love your videos!