I look at it this way: My Domino replaces a benchtop mortiser. Those run $400-500 for a decent one right up to almost $800 for a Powermatic. They take up a considerable amount of space. They're heavy and moving them around is no fun. I have to bring the work to the mortiser while I can take my Domino to the work and the mortiser only does half the job. I need another tool to cut the tenon. I can cut beautiful mortises with my router, but I need a jig and there is a fair amount of set-up time required for each mortise. I can cut 10-12 mortises with a Domino in the time it takes to cut one with a router. I recently made a 7' tall garden trellis for my wife that had a rung every foot. That's 28 mortises in total and they took me about 10 minutes. It took longer to mark the boards than to mortise them. Lastly, dust collection is awesome. I have a two-stage dust extractor and my bench is spotless even after cutting dozens of mortises.
As a small shop owner I found that hand cut mortice & tenons were just fine for what I was doing. But as demand increased, the speed that the loose tenon method the Domino gives just made sense. I only have the 500 as I still use hand cut for large (over 2") tenons in big pieces like dining tables, so the 500 fits my need perfectly. I wouldn't be without it now. The lack of true competitor is where Festool hit you, but once that patent expires, expect to see Makita et al producing clones at more competitive pricing. TL/DR: If you are making lots of things and making any money from it, the Domino is a great friend to have. If a hobbyist, maybe just a luxury.
It's important to note that the reason there isn't a true competitor to the Festool Domino is because they have a patent on it, just like they had on the Track saw. However, their patent on the track saw expired and this you see a bunch of competitors like Makita, Milwaukee, Kreg, etc. Out there now for much cheaper too. The patent on the Domino is set to expire at the end of 2024, so I'd expect big manufacturers to have their own version ready to go in 2025. If you're willing to wait, it could be a substantial savings, but it's still not a Festool.
The patents MIGHT end in 2024. From my understanding there could have been tweaks to the design that would have required patent updates, and thus patents would have gotten extended. At least from the research I've done. So it may or may not end at that time. I'm going to assume it will probably be past 2024 only because the Domino XL came out a few years after the original Domino, and I think there are a couple of design changes along with that.
@@DESX312 You can't extend a patent beyond 20 years. If they patent any changes, only the changes will still have patent protection. The protection for all the features of the original Domino will expire after 20 years.
Yeah, someone might come out with a well built one. Look at Ave's review of the saw. These guys do have great ideas, but the execution is such that if a part needs high end, they won't skimp, but they will skimp where they can. Logical, but not inspirational. I guess so long as they make it last till the patent expires, they have done god's work. Thanks for the lead on the 2024 patent expiry. When it is market priced, it will be an worthwhile addition.
I'm a DIYer/Hobbyist and rationalized my purchase of a DF500 with this thought. My enjoyment when woodworking comes from the design element and seeing those designs come to life, more than from perfecting technical skills like hand cut mortice & tenons, dovetails, etc. If the Domino enables me that enjoyment and the ability to produce professional quality joinery, then it's worth it for me.
100% agree. I justified purchase for the same reasons. The more honey do items checked off the list the better. Allows me to develop adjacent skills and when I have time, I’ll go down the traditional joinery rabbit hole .
That just perfectly put into words how I justified mine recently, better than I've managed to express it myself, thank you. Seeing my designs come to life, beautiful 👍
The hip thrust bit had me roll on the floor laughing. Thanks for that. One other down side of the dowel jointer is that it doesn't have an option to make over width holes to make alignment easier. FYI although I don't own either a triton dowel or festool domino but I watched alot of RUclips videos, so I am basically a pro on both tools
The domino saves lumber, eliminates mistakes, and reduces design time, too. Have you ever cut tendons on a piece to later find out the piece is too short, that’s a mistake I would make. If you are building with mortises and tendons, you must add the length of your tendons to the pieces that will have tendons. I design my projects in Sketchup and I have a library of dominos to use so all I have to do is place them on the joint and check for clearances and determine the number of dominos required. I would hate to model each mortise and each tendon that the pieces of the project requires
Great video, informative, very funny, and love all the other content makers participating. You kind of short changed the dowel concept. Sure that machine drilling just two dowel holes has lots of limitations. But dowel joinery can be done with simpler tools such as DowelMax which allows you to drill as deep as you like and with as many dowel holes as you like, anywhere you want., using 1/4” to 1/2” dowels. Tests show multiple dowels joints can be stronger than domino joints. So as a DYI guy, I’m sticking with dowel joints.
I felt the same way. I mean, to defend his video, he is only comparing joining 'machines' and not joining 'techniques' so I can understand why jigs like Dowelmax or Jessem didn't make it on the list. But yeah, for a hobbyist like me that isn't pumping out work on a daily basis trying to turn a profit, using a jig that costs a fraction of the price is definitely worth it even if the set up is a bit longer.
Great video! You can always use the Triton Dowelling Jointer to drill the holes initially, and then increase the depth with a drill. This allows you to increase the depth equal to or deeper than the Festool Domino. ☺️
@@Adierit the jointer positions your holes correctly and then the holes act as a guide for more depth. Yeah, it can be done with just a drill but it’ll take more time to get it right.
Awesome timing. I just got my Domino 700 XL (first Festool tool) just over 2 weeks ago, and I was utterly amazed and absolutely ENJOY using the thing. This honestly kind of made me angry as I had brought it thinking that I would take it back if it didn't knock my socks off. I said it HAD TO to justify the price! Needless to say I am already about $600+ extra in with the 4 cutter heads + dominos + Seneca accessories + TSO big foot accessory, etc.... Damn you Festool! You got me!
Here you can even buy a 16mm domino (0,63 inches), not from Festool, but aftermarket one. It is primarily used for doors and other large pieces. And my local domino producer also makes oak dominos usually for outdoor furniture. Or extra wide 14mm tenons, these ones are indestructible! (You make a regular hole and then use the first pin to enlarge it to 40mm width, clever and fast)
The hip thrust montage alone made this video worth it. One thing i'm curious about, I've heard that the Festool patent for the Domino is set to expire soon which will allow other manufacturers to build their own version. Just wondering if there's something to that?
Hello Jason, I am not a wood work enthusiast but out of curiosity in learning how kitchen cabinets are made and installed I stumbled on your channel back in June 2022 and I must say, its your sense of humor that got me even more interested in learning wood work from your many videos. Thanks for making your videos fun and worthwhile to watch. Your instructions couldn't be even more crystal clear. Maybe one day I will start my little back-of-the-house workshop😄
Jason, you spoke the truth when you mentioned “whenever a RUclipsr whips out a ---“. That is what I call integrity….well done sir. I know you have a lot of Festool stuff and I don’t begrudge that but there are, frankly, a lot of excellent quality alternatives to many Festool products. I simply won’t spend the money if excellence is available at a fraction of the price. As for the domino joiner….there no real alternatives short of a massive increase in my skill level. I finally made the plunge and bought the 500 domino joiner. I agonized for months but I finally came down to the fact that my aspiration was to build furniture and my first piece would have retailed for over $10.000…..so, yeah I justified the purchase. My conclusion? A total game changer and worth the money. I have a biscuit joiner and it is fine to a point but it just does not have the shear strength that the mortise and tenon joint offers. I hate to say it but the German engineering comes through loud and clear. If I didn’t think I would be building the projects that I am I never would have made the purchase. Nice job Jason.
I can't afford a Porsche 911 Turbo S, but that doesn't mean I bitch about other people driving one. Luckily I can afford a Domino and have had one for 15+ years and never regretted buying it. I'm so tired of people bitching about the Domino. If you feel like doing everything with handtools in candle light, kudos to you.
Really glad you mentioned Triton's Doweling Joiner - I have Grizzly's version and it really makes joinery easier. I'm a hobbiest - I cannot justify the cost of a Domino Joiner - but I really like the convenience and especially the speed of a joiner tool like the Doweler or Domino. I think it's the best alternative to a domino unless you are flushed with cash or making furniture full time.
Thank you for the info and demonstration. I'm in the process of purchasing one but had no way of knowing the difference without an expensive purchase but you have made my decision easier. Thank you again
I tried Kreg pocket screw jigs, handheld doweling jigs, self-centering clamping doweling jigs, and then settled on the immaculate Dowelmax jig. But by the time I went through all those iterations, including wasted wood, I was about three quarters of the way to the Domino 500. The lesson I keep learning over and over is that saving up and getting the good tool is always better (and maybe even cheaper) than trying to find less-expensive ways of doing the same thing.
Exactly this. I spent months debating on whether or not to spend the money on one or try and build a jig with a router. In the end the amount of additional time and effort required on an inferior manual product would far exceed the initial cost of just getting the right tool in the first place. Can't wait to start using the 500 I just picked up the other day.
Dows are ok and can be easier than a Domino if you use dowel pointers to mark your holes. I kind of think the dowel jigs are faster than Domino but not as glue surface
I haven't had any luck with dowel jigs, seems my alignments are always off just enough to be aggravating. I haven't tried a domino joiner yet, I want to try a dual dowler but I'm still skeptical on them also.
@@TheWayne660 yes to me dowels and Dominos are the same principle with lining up and carefully marking and labeling each piece. To me dowels have a slight advantage over Domino's Lookup dowel pointers Can get at harbor freight, Amazon etc I have a vid on them ruclips.net/video/kAfiH2XOkWI/видео.html
Love watching people, like you, utilize the best tools available to fine tune your craft. Me... I'm a hobbyist woodworker and while I'd love to own a Domino or Origin router, but they are way out of my price range and only a dream. I'd never be able to justify their purchase, so I'll be sticking with biscuits & doweling jig and my manual routers. ;) Keep up the great content!
@@ericw9655 Agreed, they work very well. I also had a hard time parting with $400 on a decent track saw (Makita, not Festool)... but it will get plenty of use.
No reason not to use free tenons if you want to, easy to make your own tenons to fit whatever size mortice you want to cut, using only a router, router table and table saw…, I just did it on my first ever furniture project, a red oak K.S. Bed
Arguably by far a better purchase to a Festool's Domino Jointer is a Panto Router. About 200 bucks cheaper if you already have a compatible router. If not then approximately the same cost for way more functionality. Its even possible to source and build your own since its mostly aluminum extrusions and bearings. Obvious alternatives are dowl jigs and domino jigs for routers and drill. They can be purchased or better yet 3D printed.
Thanks for the response. I'm an 'old timer' that has no interest in "social media". I guess that's why I like the solitude and the creativeness of woodworking. When I first started, (in woodworking) a friend (who owns Eagle Tools in Los Angeles) told me about this company, Festool. With limited work space, he suggested their Track Saw over a space consuming table saw. Best move I ever could have made. Combined with the dust extraction system, my shop saw dust is very limited. You guessed it! From there came the Domino, and the Rotex Sanders. The dust extraction system and my health make them worth every penny.
11:34, LOL!!! I have a domino 500 (for about a month). I LOVE IT! I had a ryobi biscuit joiner for about 15 years and hardly used it. I have used the domino more in a month, and the biscuit joiner in 15 years... I'm making a lot of display cases/boxes and need it for bevels and miters. It's great, and easy to use. Yeah, I've had a couple times where it twisted, and yeah, it was because I wasn't bracing it well enough. I will for sure be trying the "hip thrust technique".
I’ve had one for years and am torn. They are great at what they do but what they do is largely replace what I love/hate about woodworking: joinery. I say if you do a lot a casework and can afford it, get it. Tools are cool. If you don’t do a lot of large scale work, don’t bother.
I know very few people who drop money on expensive things (like Festool tools) who then are able to objectively critique it. Kudos to you. It seems most people who spend this much money convince themselves it was worth it at all cost. I like it when a person can still say, "Yeah, it's got some pros and cons."
If youre working in a shop that has no tablesaw and no chisels and you specialize in fragile furniture you absolutely need a domino tool. If thats you the path of greatest resistance is to buy the festool. Its outlandishly expensive. If you go with the festool and your fellow woodworkers say the emperor wears no clothes yeah, thats you.
I got the small Domino from my wife and my daughters to my 50th birthday and I love it. But I'm afraid I have to wait for my 60th to get the XL ;-) There are so many other possibilites I build a printer stand for my brother. It was only a box. (boring) Then I cut it off-center in two pieces and connected it with (many) dominos, but the dominos are visible (1,5cm). It looks like ribs. I think it looks really cool. ;-)
I've said the same on other "Is the Domino Worth It?" videos: Even as a hobbyist, it absolutely is a game changer and is well worth the asking price, with a caveat. It's fast, accurate, and creates very strong joints. There's tons of ways to make the same joints, but most other methods won't be as versatile, fast or easy to setup and use. The one exception, and caveat I mentioned, and the one I use, is the dowelmax. It's not as fast as the domino, but still fairly quick once you get used to the checkmark system. Joints are equally strong (ever more so in some tests, but honestly, you're already well past the point of strength needed for long lasting projects by the time you hit the point of failure), it's extremely accurate and well made, and is 1/4 the price of the domino. Jessem makes an equally amazing doweling jig, but I chose the dowelmax because it has integrated clamping. That triton double doweler is absolute trash. Don't waste money on that thing. Its failings and shortcomings are well documented. The same money would get you a dowelmax or jessem.
Agree. I recently took delivery of the 500 and can't wait to start using it. Right tool for the right job. The cost of the proper tool is negligible in the long run when you factor in how much time it saves you per peice.
Can I chisel or route mortise tenon joints? Yes. Do I want to? No. Not unless its architectural or massive draw bored joint (like a roubo bench). For me the DF500 was about time in the shop. I have limited time in the shop and I can make knock out a days worth of joints in an hour. Accurate, fast, and strong. Took me a while to save up, but it was worth it. Everyone criticizes the domino, but I guarantee if Roubo had a domino in his time, he’d be using it.
I don't need a $1600 domino joiner, biscuits have been good enough. I will wait for Festools patent to expire and then buy a Makita or Milwaukee domino joiner for $300.
counter-point to the downside of the shallowness of the doweling tool, is that you can grab a matching drillbit and drill and just drill the holes deeper now that you have them already aligned and so on, so you can drill it as deep as you want it to be with your dowel...
The Festool Domino is the best machine you can own in your workshop. You can use it for almost every project, it saves a lot of time and is totally worth the money.
good video. I prebought and waited on the original. Loved it, but that inconsistency was a huge issue. Second if you have small thin pieces you were always having to do jigs. I developed a method where i stabilized the top as you with one hand and only used my thumb and forefinger to apply fwd pressure. That provided stable results. I used it for about a year and a half. I finally sold it for what i paid for it and bought the powermatic virticle mortising machine (at the time 900 bucks). I don't regret it and use it all the time.. It solved the slop issue, and allowed for monster mortises. Cheers.
The hip thrust segment was great, but... The reason for the slanted cuts is NOT due to not holding it with two hands. It is due to plunging too fast so that the cutter is essentially doing a climb cut in the slot. Plunging slowly (or slow hip thrusts) will make a proper cut.
Got the Triton and the Grizzly dowel joiner. They are the exact same tool - except the power button on the Grizzly has the power button further up on the handle which is way safer than the Triton.
Funny, in germany is it half the price. I have bothe domino from festool and the lamello zeta, and its not expensive in germany. Milwaukee and dewalt are the same price here as festool but not as near the quality Tools as festool mafell or lamello (made in germany). For us are milwaukee dewalt makita overprized made in China Tools😅
All though it would be nice to add a domino to my collection of tools, as stated by others, I can't see one in my shop. Most of my work is done for my home, wife, and family. I'll stick with dowels. It's all about the dollars and cents. If you don't have the dollars, it doesn't make any since. Great video though, Thanks!
You do awesome work, no doubt about it. But I'm pretty sure I just watched an infomercial. And, like you said, if someone is making money from their woodworking, it might be a justifiable expense. For most of us, a doweling jointer will do an almost equal job for a fraction of the cost. For the hobbyist, a simple doweling jig might be all they need to get very good results.
When you were hanging the picture, is there any reason you weren’t using a dust extractor? Also what kind of glue do you recommend? I did a quick google search and didn’t find any definitive answers. One finial thought, seems like it would be a good idea to notch the domino so that the picture wire would be less likely to slip off.
You can do the same thing cheaper with a dowel jig, except I can go 10+ inches into both sides (longest drill bit) putting 4 dowels and achieve a really strong joint.
beyond a certain point does the length of the domino/dowel really increase the joint strength? the 'weak' (something something glue is stronger than wood) point will be at the joint also a series of dowels where dominos would be have more glue surface area than dominos
I bought the 500 I went to hartville hardware they did the demonstration talked about needs and bought it it’s great to use if you’re off during your dry fit you can move it over 1mm to give yourself some play
I just got another notification about this video while I was watching this video. RUclips algorithm hard at work recommending stuff I’ve already seen… and people are worried about AI. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I don't have a YT channel or sponsors to throw money and cool tools at me, but I bit the bullet and bought one, I can say yes, it is worth it, I dont use it everyday, but when I do use it, it saves a hell of alot of time. It's very well made and packed with features. for all the h8rs who dont have one...decided what your time is worth. if it isnt worth it to you, well quit hating on those that have one. Right now i only have the small one, but would like to get the XL at some point. PS..thanks for the gardening tip...
On the Triton: they've had bad reviews in the past but the latest iteration seems to have addressed the main problems. But the old comments hold - if they'd pitched at about £100 ($100) higher price, it would still have been a good buy but could have been so much better. Modern glues render depth of dowel or biscuit or domino almost irrelevant - the breaks happen in the material, not along the joint
Great vid, like you say though its not for the average diy person and yes there are cheaper alternatives like the triton but that comes with a whole host of problems which include off centre holes which means they dont always line up
I want everyone to pay close attention to the wording in the beginning: "to prove that it's unbiased and that this video is not JUST sponsored by Festool, we went out and got ANOTHER sponsor." This video is sponsored by Festool.
I’ve been woodworking for over 45 years and, as you may imagine, have seen enormous developments within that time. The current glues are an obvious example of new products which represent a huge leap over what was available in the 1970’s. Other new products, frankly, are just gimmicks and seem to solve problems that don’t exist. I fly fish and there is saying that new (to the market) flies are there to catch the angle and not the fish. I have a very nice floor stand morticer- and I have both domino models. Over the last year or so, I have rarely used the morticer. The main reason is that my shoulders and back will no longer take the strain of pulling down the morticer handle repeatedly. I can do one mortise - but any more, results in long lasting pain. The domino makes tenon joinery very much easier and, indeed, there is nothing that the morticer can do that a domino can’t do better. Cost is always an issue. The domino machines are expensive to buy and, if I could not have afforded them, then I would find other ways to make those joints. I am very happy to make my own dominos and, in fact, my most used tenon joint is in joining stiles and rails on doors and gates. I use overlapping domino mortices, making my own mega dominos to fit. I don’t begrudge buying high quality tools, even though I think the domino is now overpriced; it’s my hobby just as, for others, having expensive cars is theirs. We do have a choice of how to spend whatever free money we might have. In virtually every situation in woodworking, there are several equally acceptable safe ways of achieving a result. Which one you use is often defined by knowledge, time and available tools. Not having a domino won’t stop you making something; it just makes it easier. For me.
To get the added strength with the Triton dowel joiner by going deeper, use the Triton to set the location of the dowel holes, then drill them to any depth you want.
The Jessem jig is indeed extremely nice. Super flexible in application, very precise, several size options. Best thing about any Jessem gear in my opinion is that in terms of quality, you're just never disappointed.
I built my 8 foot roubo workbench with the 14 mm , 140 mm domino’s! I used 4 per joint and let me tell you , it’s a tank! Not to mention, I had the base put together in an hour!
The reason domino gets so much hate is it bloody brilliant, fast accurate and nothing else like it. Meaning Festool can proper Festool on the price. Credit card melting brilliance. Like many German engineering products Edit: Thinking about it if people believe that any of the major brand brands are going to bring out a Domino killer once the patents run out for a fraction of the price think again. Look at track saws from all the major brands especially battery ones very little difference in price to Festool
I love my Domino! Just a thought on the Lemello doweler. After drilling the dowel holes, you could quickly and easily deepen them with a drill. It would only take a few seconds. Then use longer dowels.
I don't know if this is the most hilarious or disturbing video you've done. The hip thrust montage or the costumes. You are one of a kind. 🤣 Fortunately, I have access to a Domino if i really need one for a project, but im not a pro and cant justify (write off) the cost. Maybe when I retire and do more...
While that was a fun and informative video on a pro level tool, I'm disappointed that you didn't even mention what for many will be game changer - the Domino system includes special anchors/bolts that allow you to make tight connections that can be separated. If you're making large furniture, this can allow you to break it down for shipping and reassembled at the destination. I watched this used once on another YT channel, and it blew my mind. I don't yet have a Domino, but it is on my wish list, in large part because it does more than just wood tenons. I have no idea if other joinery solutions also include similar knock-down hardware, but that could make an awesome follow-up video, since Festools stuff is crazy expensive.
You are absolutely right! I do hate you for using a Domino. It is a great tool, but one that I will never be able to afford, until the knock-offs arrive.
You forgot the Grizzly dual dowel jointer. Less then 100 bucks, a little hit and miss on accuracy, but Grizzly backs up their machine (don't ask how I know). I get great 2 dowel (or single dowel if preferred) joint with a very inexpensive machine and very inexpensive joiners (dowels). Made a chest of drawers from solid wood floating panel panels for the material (just to see). Perfect fit and alignment. Just a heads up! :) Love your content and craftsmanship!👍
Love your sense of humour man. One thing is the DF500 should never turn the domino size with out the machine running as it will break the locking mechanism.
I really appreciate the effort, but I'm still not convinced a Domino is worth it. I have used the Model 500 a few times and it feels just like using my biscuit joiner and/or "doweller", except it is harder to hang onto. Unfortunately, I've never been a dancer (hip thrust). For longer, beefy dowel joints, I dowel out 1/2" diameter holes and then use those holes as guides to drill as deep as needed. It adds approx 30 seconds per joint. I don't see a $1000 advantage using Dominos over dowels for fitting a shelf in the center of a wide board. Nor is there an advantage over using biscuit slots for "Z" clips. Still love ya, mean it. Thanks.
The Triten can be used wit a regular second drill bit to make the holes deeper to allow for longer dowels. Also, more dowels can be added on a larger joint
Look, I know not everyone takes Engineering Mechanics courses in school and learns how to calculate moment forces, but I had to do that. The dowel rig will work, even for the larger items, especially if you're also utilizing glue.
I’m interested to hear if you calculated the shear strength. I can see how the thickness of the domino would lead to greater shear strength but I’m failing to grasp his statement that length of the domino strengthens the joint. Once glued in place it acts like all of the surrounding wood. I don’t believe a 70 mm length domino would be any stronger than a shorter domino in shear.
A few years ago we made a test 90 degree joint for some big doors, in 6"x2" merbau hardwood, we used two rows of 3 large dominoes and glued it with epoxy. We took it to an engineering shop and the put it in a press and tested the joint, it broke the timber with 6 tonnes of pressure. Dominoes are strong.
I’ve nearly viewed all BM content so you got to make something otherwise I’m back to watching paint dry, my favourite channel. I love the whisky cabinet best
I've had the domino for years and have never regretted buying it. I haven't used my mortiser since I bought it. I'll have to give the hip thrust technique a try.
For everything there is a work around you just have to look outside of America and when I want a deep hole mortising chisel and a piece of milled wood. Pre cutting your own domino to any size and have them ready
I look at it this way: My Domino replaces a benchtop mortiser. Those run $400-500 for a decent one right up to almost $800 for a Powermatic. They take up a considerable amount of space. They're heavy and moving them around is no fun. I have to bring the work to the mortiser while I can take my Domino to the work and the mortiser only does half the job. I need another tool to cut the tenon.
I can cut beautiful mortises with my router, but I need a jig and there is a fair amount of set-up time required for each mortise. I can cut 10-12 mortises with a Domino in the time it takes to cut one with a router. I recently made a 7' tall garden trellis for my wife that had a rung every foot. That's 28 mortises in total and they took me about 10 minutes. It took longer to mark the boards than to mortise them.
Lastly, dust collection is awesome. I have a two-stage dust extractor and my bench is spotless even after cutting dozens of mortises.
I love that you got other content creators to colab for this video. I enjoy the balance of instruction and humor, keep up the great work!
Agreed, but we need links to all of them! I only follow a few of the ones who cameoed.
As a small shop owner I found that hand cut mortice & tenons were just fine for what I was doing. But as demand increased, the speed that the loose tenon method the Domino gives just made sense. I only have the 500 as I still use hand cut for large (over 2") tenons in big pieces like dining tables, so the 500 fits my need perfectly. I wouldn't be without it now. The lack of true competitor is where Festool hit you, but once that patent expires, expect to see Makita et al producing clones at more competitive pricing.
TL/DR: If you are making lots of things and making any money from it, the Domino is a great friend to have. If a hobbyist, maybe just a luxury.
It's important to note that the reason there isn't a true competitor to the Festool Domino is because they have a patent on it, just like they had on the Track saw. However, their patent on the track saw expired and this you see a bunch of competitors like Makita, Milwaukee, Kreg, etc. Out there now for much cheaper too. The patent on the Domino is set to expire at the end of 2024, so I'd expect big manufacturers to have their own version ready to go in 2025. If you're willing to wait, it could be a substantial savings, but it's still not a Festool.
There's nothing really special about festool. Only pinheaded brand loyal weiners think so.
Biscuits
The patents MIGHT end in 2024.
From my understanding there could have been tweaks to the design that would have required patent updates, and thus patents would have gotten extended. At least from the research I've done.
So it may or may not end at that time.
I'm going to assume it will probably be past 2024 only because the Domino XL came out a few years after the original Domino, and I think there are a couple of design changes along with that.
@@DESX312 You can't extend a patent beyond 20 years. If they patent any changes, only the changes will still have patent protection. The protection for all the features of the original Domino will expire after 20 years.
Yeah, someone might come out with a well built one. Look at Ave's review of the saw. These guys do have great ideas, but the execution is such that if a part needs high end, they won't skimp, but they will skimp where they can. Logical, but not inspirational. I guess so long as they make it last till the patent expires, they have done god's work.
Thanks for the lead on the 2024 patent expiry. When it is market priced, it will be an worthwhile addition.
I'm a DIYer/Hobbyist and rationalized my purchase of a DF500 with this thought.
My enjoyment when woodworking comes from the design element and seeing those designs come to life, more than from perfecting technical skills like hand cut mortice & tenons, dovetails, etc.
If the Domino enables me that enjoyment and the ability to produce professional quality joinery, then it's worth it for me.
100% agree. I justified purchase for the same reasons. The more honey do items checked off the list the better. Allows me to develop adjacent skills and when I have time, I’ll go down the traditional joinery rabbit hole .
That just perfectly put into words how I justified mine recently, better than I've managed to express it myself, thank you. Seeing my designs come to life, beautiful 👍
I think we’re all in the same boat here. I felt the same way and have done the same. Thanks for your thoughts!
The hip thrust bit had me roll on the floor laughing. Thanks for that.
One other down side of the dowel jointer is that it doesn't have an option to make over width holes to make alignment easier.
FYI although I don't own either a triton dowel or festool domino but I watched alot of RUclips videos, so I am basically a pro on both tools
The domino saves lumber, eliminates mistakes, and reduces design time, too. Have you ever cut tendons on a piece to later find out the piece is too short, that’s a mistake I would make. If you are building with mortises and tendons, you must add the length of your tendons to the pieces that will have tendons.
I design my projects in Sketchup and I have a library of dominos to use so all I have to do is place them on the joint and check for clearances and determine the number of dominos required. I would hate to model each mortise and each tendon that the pieces of the project requires
Great video, informative, very funny, and love all the other content makers participating. You kind of short changed the dowel concept. Sure that machine drilling just two dowel holes has lots of limitations. But dowel joinery can be done with simpler tools such as DowelMax which allows you to drill as deep as you like and with as many dowel holes as you like, anywhere you want., using 1/4” to 1/2” dowels. Tests show multiple dowels joints can be stronger than domino joints. So as a DYI guy, I’m sticking with dowel joints.
I felt the same way. I mean, to defend his video, he is only comparing joining 'machines' and not joining 'techniques' so I can understand why jigs like Dowelmax or Jessem didn't make it on the list. But yeah, for a hobbyist like me that isn't pumping out work on a daily basis trying to turn a profit, using a jig that costs a fraction of the price is definitely worth it even if the set up is a bit longer.
Great video! You can always use the Triton Dowelling Jointer to drill the holes initially, and then increase the depth with a drill. This allows you to increase the depth equal to or deeper than the Festool Domino. ☺️
Great idea!
Came in to make this very comment
Comment thief! LOL!
For $1200 it’s probably worth the time!
Or just skip the jointer and use the drill to begin with.
@@Adierit the jointer positions your holes correctly and then the holes act as a guide for more depth.
Yeah, it can be done with just a drill but it’ll take more time to get it right.
Awesome timing. I just got my Domino 700 XL (first Festool tool) just over 2 weeks ago, and I was utterly amazed and absolutely ENJOY using the thing.
This honestly kind of made me angry as I had brought it thinking that I would take it back if it didn't knock my socks off. I said it HAD TO to justify the price!
Needless to say I am already about $600+ extra in with the 4 cutter heads + dominos + Seneca accessories + TSO big foot accessory, etc....
Damn you Festool! You got me!
Here you can even buy a 16mm domino (0,63 inches), not from Festool, but aftermarket one. It is primarily used for doors and other large pieces. And my local domino producer also makes oak dominos usually for outdoor furniture. Or extra wide 14mm tenons, these ones are indestructible! (You make a regular hole and then use the first pin to enlarge it to 40mm width, clever and fast)
Would love a link or manufacture name for the 16mm cutters. Thanks.
The hip thrust montage alone made this video worth it.
One thing i'm curious about, I've heard that the Festool patent for the Domino is set to expire soon which will allow other manufacturers to build their own version. Just wondering if there's something to that?
Hello Jason, I am not a wood work enthusiast but out of curiosity in learning how kitchen cabinets are made and installed I stumbled on your channel back in June 2022 and I must say, its your sense of humor that got me even more interested in learning wood work from your many videos. Thanks for making your videos fun and worthwhile to watch. Your instructions couldn't be even more crystal clear. Maybe one day I will start my little back-of-the-house workshop😄
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Jason, you spoke the truth when you mentioned “whenever a RUclipsr whips out a ---“. That is what I call integrity….well done sir.
I know you have a lot of Festool stuff and I don’t begrudge that but there are, frankly, a lot of excellent quality alternatives to many Festool products. I simply won’t spend the money if excellence is available at a fraction of the price. As for the domino joiner….there no real alternatives short of a massive increase in my skill level.
I finally made the plunge and bought the 500 domino joiner. I agonized for months but I finally came down to the fact that my aspiration was to build furniture and my first piece would have retailed for over $10.000…..so, yeah I justified the purchase. My conclusion? A total game changer and worth the money. I have a biscuit joiner and it is fine to a point but it just does not have the shear strength that the mortise and tenon joint offers. I hate to say it but the German engineering comes through loud and clear. If I didn’t think I would be building the projects that I am I never would have made the purchase.
Nice job Jason.
I can't afford a Porsche 911 Turbo S, but that doesn't mean I bitch about other people driving one. Luckily I can afford a Domino and have had one for 15+ years and never regretted buying it. I'm so tired of people bitching about the Domino. If you feel like doing everything with handtools in candle light, kudos to you.
Really glad you mentioned Triton's Doweling Joiner - I have Grizzly's version and it really makes joinery easier. I'm a hobbiest - I cannot justify the cost of a Domino Joiner - but I really like the convenience and especially the speed of a joiner tool like the Doweler or Domino. I think it's the best alternative to a domino unless you are flushed with cash or making furniture full time.
Thank you for the info and demonstration. I'm in the process of purchasing one but had no way of knowing the difference without an expensive purchase but you have made my decision easier. Thank you again
I tried Kreg pocket screw jigs, handheld doweling jigs, self-centering clamping doweling jigs, and then settled on the immaculate Dowelmax jig. But by the time I went through all those iterations, including wasted wood, I was about three quarters of the way to the Domino 500. The lesson I keep learning over and over is that saving up and getting the good tool is always better (and maybe even cheaper) than trying to find less-expensive ways of doing the same thing.
Exactly this. I spent months debating on whether or not to spend the money on one or try and build a jig with a router. In the end the amount of additional time and effort required on an inferior manual product would far exceed the initial cost of just getting the right tool in the first place. Can't wait to start using the 500 I just picked up the other day.
Dows are ok and can be easier than a Domino if you use dowel pointers to mark your holes.
I kind of think the dowel jigs are faster than Domino but not as glue surface
I haven't had any luck with dowel jigs, seems my alignments are always off just enough to be aggravating. I haven't tried a domino joiner yet, I want to try a dual dowler but I'm still skeptical on them also.
@@TheWayne660 yes to me dowels and Dominos are the same principle with lining up and carefully marking and labeling each piece.
To me dowels have a slight advantage over Domino's
Lookup dowel pointers
Can get at harbor freight, Amazon etc
I have a vid on them
ruclips.net/video/kAfiH2XOkWI/видео.html
@@TheWayne660 Dowelmax or Jessem are very accurate. Others are junk, I have multiple cheap ones collecting dust and only use Dowelmax.
Love watching people, like you, utilize the best tools available to fine tune your craft. Me... I'm a hobbyist woodworker and while I'd love to own a Domino or Origin router, but they are way out of my price range and only a dream. I'd never be able to justify their purchase, so I'll be sticking with biscuits & doweling jig and my manual routers. ;)
Keep up the great content!
Same here although I did build a horizontal mortiser
It’s hard to beat a doweling jig when you’re outside of a production setting.
@@ericw9655 Agreed, they work very well.
I also had a hard time parting with $400 on a decent track saw (Makita, not Festool)... but it will get plenty of use.
No reason not to use free tenons if you want to, easy to make your own tenons to fit whatever size mortice you want to cut, using only a router, router table and table saw…, I just did it on my first ever furniture project, a red oak K.S. Bed
Who knew the patented hip thrust was both practical and sensual. Stupendous.
Arguably by far a better purchase to a Festool's Domino Jointer is a Panto Router. About 200 bucks cheaper if you already have a compatible router. If not then approximately the same cost for way more functionality. Its even possible to source and build your own since its mostly aluminum extrusions and bearings.
Obvious alternatives are dowl jigs and domino jigs for routers and drill. They can be purchased or better yet 3D printed.
Thanks for the response. I'm an 'old timer' that has no interest in "social media". I guess that's why I like the solitude and the creativeness of woodworking. When I first started, (in woodworking) a friend (who owns Eagle Tools in Los Angeles) told me about this company, Festool. With limited work space, he suggested their Track Saw over a space consuming table saw. Best move I ever could have made. Combined with the dust extraction system, my shop saw dust is very limited. You guessed it! From there came the Domino, and the Rotex Sanders. The dust extraction system and my health make them worth every penny.
Definitely not trash. 👌
I've been working with both of them for four years now.
Very versatile machines.
11:34, LOL!!! I have a domino 500 (for about a month). I LOVE IT! I had a ryobi biscuit joiner for about 15 years and hardly used it. I have used the domino more in a month, and the biscuit joiner in 15 years... I'm making a lot of display cases/boxes and need it for bevels and miters. It's great, and easy to use. Yeah, I've had a couple times where it twisted, and yeah, it was because I wasn't bracing it well enough. I will for sure be trying the "hip thrust technique".
I’ve had one for years and am torn. They are great at what they do but what they do is largely replace what I love/hate about woodworking: joinery. I say if you do a lot a casework and can afford it, get it. Tools are cool. If you don’t do a lot of large scale work, don’t bother.
I know very few people who drop money on expensive things (like Festool tools) who then are able to objectively critique it. Kudos to you. It seems most people who spend this much money convince themselves it was worth it at all cost. I like it when a person can still say, "Yeah, it's got some pros and cons."
If youre working in a shop that has no tablesaw and no chisels and you specialize in fragile furniture you absolutely need a domino tool. If thats you the path of greatest resistance is to buy the festool. Its outlandishly expensive. If you go with the festool and your fellow woodworkers say the emperor wears no clothes yeah, thats you.
You sure do make things a LOT more fun. Thanks for the run-down on the benefits as well as showing the competitors.
I got the small Domino from my wife and my daughters to my 50th birthday and I love it. But I'm afraid I have to wait for my 60th to get the XL ;-)
There are so many other possibilites I build a printer stand for my brother. It was only a box. (boring) Then I cut it off-center in two pieces and connected it with (many) dominos, but the dominos are visible (1,5cm). It looks like ribs. I think it looks really cool. ;-)
I've said the same on other "Is the Domino Worth It?" videos: Even as a hobbyist, it absolutely is a game changer and is well worth the asking price, with a caveat. It's fast, accurate, and creates very strong joints. There's tons of ways to make the same joints, but most other methods won't be as versatile, fast or easy to setup and use. The one exception, and caveat I mentioned, and the one I use, is the dowelmax. It's not as fast as the domino, but still fairly quick once you get used to the checkmark system. Joints are equally strong (ever more so in some tests, but honestly, you're already well past the point of strength needed for long lasting projects by the time you hit the point of failure), it's extremely accurate and well made, and is 1/4 the price of the domino. Jessem makes an equally amazing doweling jig, but I chose the dowelmax because it has integrated clamping.
That triton double doweler is absolute trash. Don't waste money on that thing. Its failings and shortcomings are well documented. The same money would get you a dowelmax or jessem.
Agree. I recently took delivery of the 500 and can't wait to start using it. Right tool for the right job. The cost of the proper tool is negligible in the long run when you factor in how much time it saves you per peice.
Hands down one of my favorite Festool products. I have the 500 and looking forward to getting the 700. Outstanding video!
Got both, they are fantastic, quick and accurate. Bloody expensive. Reason there is some much noise around them nothing comes close to being as good
Can I chisel or route mortise tenon joints? Yes. Do I want to? No. Not unless its architectural or massive draw bored joint (like a roubo bench). For me the DF500 was about time in the shop. I have limited time in the shop and I can make knock out a days worth of joints in an hour. Accurate, fast, and strong. Took me a while to save up, but it was worth it. Everyone criticizes the domino, but I guarantee if Roubo had a domino in his time, he’d be using it.
I don't understand. Why is a deeper better. Is it not the shear strength that matters, so long as the glue holds? What am I missing?
This guy is the most entertaining woodworker on youtube.
I don't need a $1600 domino joiner, biscuits have been good enough. I will wait for Festools patent to expire and then buy a Makita or Milwaukee domino joiner for $300.
I feel the same way. I can't wait for that patent to end.
Good luck with that!!!
Supposedly they expire somewhere by the end of this year yet, I'm hesitant to just buy a festool joiner rn.
How does a joint using the Rockler Beadlock Pro Jig compare to the others?? It seems very similar.
counter-point to the downside of the shallowness of the doweling tool, is that you can grab a matching drillbit and drill and just drill the holes deeper now that you have them already aligned and so on, so you can drill it as deep as you want it to be with your dowel...
With the dowel joiner, you can always just follow it up with a standard drill to make it deeper. Just an extra step.
The hip thrust was funny enough, bet then everyone joining in absolutely made my day. My goodness, you guys are hilarious!
The Festool Domino is the best machine you can own in your workshop. You can use it for almost every project, it saves a lot of time and is totally worth the money.
good video. I prebought and waited on the original. Loved it, but that inconsistency was a huge issue. Second if you have small thin pieces you were always having to do jigs. I developed a method where i stabilized the top as you with one hand and only used my thumb and forefinger to apply fwd pressure. That provided stable results. I used it for about a year and a half. I finally sold it for what i paid for it and bought the powermatic virticle mortising machine (at the time 900 bucks). I don't regret it and use it all the time.. It solved the slop issue, and allowed for monster mortises. Cheers.
Erik with the direct eye contact, that's professional experience right there!
The hip thrust segment was great, but... The reason for the slanted cuts is NOT due to not holding it with two hands. It is due to plunging too fast so that the cutter is essentially doing a climb cut in the slot. Plunging slowly (or slow hip thrusts) will make a proper cut.
Got the Triton and the Grizzly dowel joiner. They are the exact same tool - except the power button on the Grizzly has the power button further up on the handle which is way safer than the Triton.
Funny, in germany is it half the price. I have bothe domino from festool and the lamello zeta, and its not expensive in germany. Milwaukee and dewalt are the same price here as festool but not as near the quality Tools as festool mafell or lamello (made in germany). For us are milwaukee dewalt makita overprized made in China Tools😅
That was a great video. Humor. Instruction. Guest appearances. Detailed but not boring. 💪
I'll probably never be able to make half the projects you do, but still love watching! Keep it up.
All though it would be nice to add a domino to my collection of tools, as stated by others, I can't see one in my shop. Most of my work is done for my home, wife, and family. I'll stick with dowels. It's all about the dollars and cents. If you don't have the dollars, it doesn't make any since.
Great video though, Thanks!
I love your commentary and the collaborations with other makers.
The direct eye contact while repeating "hip thrust" multiple times .... perfection
Thanks for all the great info; also, that table base you had in this video was beautiful…did you do a video of that build? Thx!
You do awesome work, no doubt about it. But I'm pretty sure I just watched an infomercial. And, like you said, if someone is making money from their woodworking, it might be a justifiable expense. For most of us, a doweling jointer will do an almost equal job for a fraction of the cost. For the hobbyist, a simple doweling jig might be all they need to get very good results.
I have to say I love your content and you always have me laughing.
Laugh and learn is the best combo!!
Great work!!
20:49
One dowel to the other: Hey baby, do you come here often? Let's get hammered tonight!
When you were hanging the picture, is there any reason you weren’t using a dust extractor? Also what kind of glue do you recommend? I did a quick google search and didn’t find any definitive answers. One finial thought, seems like it would be a good idea to notch the domino so that the picture wire would be less likely to slip off.
You can do the same thing cheaper with a dowel jig, except I can go 10+ inches into both sides (longest drill bit) putting 4 dowels and achieve a really strong joint.
though not the same form factor, would you consider Rockler's BeadLock system a competitor?
beyond a certain point does the length of the domino/dowel really increase the joint strength? the 'weak' (something something glue is stronger than wood) point will be at the joint
also a series of dowels where dominos would be have more glue surface area than dominos
I bought the 500 I went to hartville hardware they did the demonstration talked about needs and bought it it’s great to use if you’re off during your dry fit you can move it over 1mm to give yourself some play
Great video. The “Moth Makes” segment was hilarious.
I just got another notification about this video while I was watching this video. RUclips algorithm hard at work recommending stuff I’ve already seen… and people are worried about AI. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I don't have a YT channel or sponsors to throw money and cool tools at me, but I bit the bullet and bought one, I can say yes, it is worth it, I dont use it everyday, but when I do use it, it saves a hell of alot of time. It's very well made and packed with features. for all the h8rs who dont have one...decided what your time is worth. if it isnt worth it to you, well quit hating on those that have one.
Right now i only have the small one, but would like to get the XL at some point. PS..thanks for the gardening tip...
The domino coat/hat rack is actually a pretty good idea.
On the Triton: they've had bad reviews in the past but the latest iteration seems to have addressed the main problems. But the old comments hold - if they'd pitched at about £100 ($100) higher price, it would still have been a good buy but could have been so much better. Modern glues render depth of dowel or biscuit or domino almost irrelevant - the breaks happen in the material, not along the joint
Great vid, like you say though its not for the average diy person and yes there are cheaper alternatives like the triton but that comes with a whole host of problems which include off centre holes which means they dont always line up
The hip thrust. I was laughing so hard my wife came in to the living room to check on me. That was amazing.
I LOVE your sense of humor, and your videos.
I want everyone to pay close attention to the wording in the beginning: "to prove that it's unbiased and that this video is not JUST sponsored by Festool, we went out and got ANOTHER sponsor." This video is sponsored by Festool.
I’ve been woodworking for over 45 years and, as you may imagine, have seen enormous developments within that time. The current glues are an obvious example of new products which represent a huge leap over what was available in the 1970’s. Other new products, frankly, are just gimmicks and seem to solve problems that don’t exist.
I fly fish and there is saying that new (to the market) flies are there to catch the angle and not the fish.
I have a very nice floor stand morticer- and I have both domino models. Over the last year or so, I have rarely used the morticer. The main reason is that my shoulders and back will no longer take the strain of pulling down the morticer handle repeatedly. I can do one mortise - but any more, results in long lasting pain.
The domino makes tenon joinery very much easier and, indeed, there is nothing that the morticer can do that a domino can’t do better.
Cost is always an issue. The domino machines are expensive to buy and, if I could not have afforded them, then I would find other ways to make those joints. I am very happy to make my own dominos and, in fact, my most used tenon joint is in joining stiles and rails on doors and gates. I use overlapping domino mortices, making my own mega dominos to fit.
I don’t begrudge buying high quality tools, even though I think the domino is now overpriced; it’s my hobby just as, for others, having expensive cars is theirs. We do have a choice of how to spend whatever free money we might have.
In virtually every situation in woodworking, there are several equally acceptable safe ways of achieving a result. Which one you use is often defined by knowledge, time and available tools. Not having a domino won’t stop you making something; it just makes it easier. For me.
To get the added strength with the Triton dowel joiner by going deeper, use the Triton to set the location of the dowel holes, then drill them to any depth you want.
Wife walked in and asked what I was watching just as it got to the hip thrust montage. Sleeping in the woodshop tonight.
I am all for dowels. I have used a number of doweling jigs - homemade and commercial. Currently, I like the Jessem doweling jig.
The Jessem jig is indeed extremely nice. Super flexible in application, very precise, several size options. Best thing about any Jessem gear in my opinion is that in terms of quality, you're just never disappointed.
I built my 8 foot roubo workbench with the 14 mm , 140 mm domino’s! I used 4 per joint and let me tell you , it’s a tank! Not to mention, I had the base put together in an hour!
The reason domino gets so much hate is it bloody brilliant, fast accurate and nothing else like it. Meaning Festool can proper Festool on the price. Credit card melting brilliance. Like many German engineering products
Edit: Thinking about it if people believe that any of the major brand brands are going to bring out a Domino killer once the patents run out for a fraction of the price think again. Look at track saws from all the major brands especially battery ones very little difference in price to Festool
Been using a $50 doweling jig for years works great
I love my Domino! Just a thought on the Lemello doweler. After drilling the dowel holes, you could quickly and easily deepen them with a drill. It would only take a few seconds. Then use longer dowels.
I don't know if this is the most hilarious or disturbing video you've done. The hip thrust montage or the costumes. You are one of a kind. 🤣 Fortunately, I have access to a Domino if i really need one for a project, but im not a pro and cant justify (write off) the cost. Maybe when I retire and do more...
While that was a fun and informative video on a pro level tool, I'm disappointed that you didn't even mention what for many will be game changer - the Domino system includes special anchors/bolts that allow you to make tight connections that can be separated. If you're making large furniture, this can allow you to break it down for shipping and reassembled at the destination. I watched this used once on another YT channel, and it blew my mind. I don't yet have a Domino, but it is on my wish list, in large part because it does more than just wood tenons. I have no idea if other joinery solutions also include similar knock-down hardware, but that could make an awesome follow-up video, since Festools stuff is crazy expensive.
The hip thrust segment made me feel dirty.... and laugh. The two things I'm subscribed for👍🏻
You are absolutely right! I do hate you for using a Domino. It is a great tool, but one that I will never be able to afford, until the knock-offs arrive.
Knock offs are incoming as the patent expires soon.
@@michaelwillson6847 not a biscuit joiner at all did you just not watch the video?
Love the Cameos that was unexpected, glad to see your fellow content creators get in on the fun!
The leigh fmt comes close to a festool domino. You cut the mortise with a plunge router. The loose tenon is cut on the tablesaw and router table.
You forgot the Grizzly dual dowel jointer. Less then 100 bucks, a little hit and miss on accuracy, but Grizzly backs up their machine (don't ask how I know). I get great 2 dowel (or single dowel if preferred) joint with a very inexpensive machine and very inexpensive joiners (dowels). Made a chest of drawers from solid wood floating panel panels for the material (just to see). Perfect fit and alignment. Just a heads up! :)
Love your content and craftsmanship!👍
Love your sense of humour man. One thing is the DF500 should never turn the domino size with out the machine running as it will break the locking mechanism.
I really appreciate the effort, but I'm still not convinced a Domino is worth it. I have used the Model 500 a few times and it feels just like using my biscuit joiner and/or "doweller", except it is harder to hang onto. Unfortunately, I've never been a dancer (hip thrust). For longer, beefy dowel joints, I dowel out 1/2" diameter holes and then use those holes as guides to drill as deep as needed. It adds approx 30 seconds per joint. I don't see a $1000 advantage using Dominos over dowels for fitting a shelf in the center of a wide board. Nor is there an advantage over using biscuit slots for "Z" clips. Still love ya, mean it. Thanks.
Hey, you forgot to mention the ROUTER. A router with a good and easy to build DIY jig is a very good alternativ to the Festool Domino.
Well…I’ve never laughed out loud at a woodworking vid before but the hip thrust segment did it. Thanks. I needed that.
The Triten can be used wit a regular second drill bit to make the holes deeper to allow for longer dowels. Also, more dowels can be added on a larger joint
Great tool for a professional saves lots of time
For me using dowels and cutting mortises by hand wil do fine.
No hurry just fun
I'd have loved to have heard the chats with all the RUclipsrs asking them to hump their Domino 🤣🤣
Look, I know not everyone takes Engineering Mechanics courses in school and learns how to calculate moment forces, but I had to do that. The dowel rig will work, even for the larger items, especially if you're also utilizing glue.
I’m interested to hear if you calculated the shear strength. I can see how the thickness of the domino would lead to greater shear strength but I’m failing to grasp his statement that length of the domino strengthens the joint. Once glued in place it acts like all of the surrounding wood. I don’t believe a 70 mm length domino would be any stronger than a shorter domino in shear.
One of my favorite woodworkers. Thanks for keeping it fun and informative.
A few years ago we made a test 90 degree joint for some big doors, in 6"x2" merbau hardwood, we used two rows of 3 large dominoes and glued it with epoxy. We took it to an engineering shop and the put it in a press and tested the joint, it broke the timber with 6 tonnes of pressure. Dominoes are strong.
I’ve nearly viewed all BM content so you got to make something otherwise I’m back to watching paint dry, my favourite channel. I love the whisky cabinet best
Jason I laughed so loud when the patented hip thrust compilation played. Too awesome but I will stay domino-less.
Jessem came out with a domino joiner that uses your drill for about $1000 less.
I've had the domino for years and have never regretted buying it. I haven't used my mortiser since I bought it. I'll have to give the hip thrust technique a try.
Jason, you're a gem. Don't change dude
We didn't ask for a hip thrust montage, but we certainly received one. Great demonstration of the technique.
For everything there is a work around you just have to look outside of America and when I want a deep hole mortising chisel and a piece of milled wood. Pre cutting your own domino to any size and have them ready
I have been doing the same with a plunge router and a homemade jig to make the slots and make my own domino's to fit