Yep. Minor changes in shields, bone dyes, etc. Up until around 2008-2009 some knives lacked a pattern number on the knife so unless you have the box you might not even realize it the same knife pattern. If you’re going after every Sowbelly there were two releases of the Moonshiner Sowbelly. They look identical but the second release is a dark corn cob jigged bone. I would disagree with the red jigged and red-pick bone being an update. The red pick bone comes out of the old Colt line up yes they are both Sowbellies but in the case of the red jigged and Red Pick bone have a different heritage. This is why the number is different. If Rough Ryder uses a different bolster on a knife it will have new pattern number. If it has a different blade etch, same thing, new pattern number. And yes, all of the new knives with half stops will have new numbers. We will see if when the drop the big R from the bolster if that changes the pattern number. I suspect it will I like the older (non-half stops) over the newer (half stop) knives. Hopefully this will help you in your quest for all the Sowbellies Rough Ryder had multiple releases of Red jigged bone Amber jigged bone White smooth bone Tortoise shell Yellow comp. Sawcut bone Many of these are difficult to tell apart There are two releases of the moonshiner series that are nearly identical. Some of the older ones to look for Rifleman series Long rifle series Jim Bowie Once in a blue moon Outdoorsman (multiple) They also made numerous five blade Sowbelly.
Thanks for the info. My first priority is to pick up each of the different RR sowbelly releases, and then concentrate on the variants. I've attempted to catalog the ones I'm still in need of, but occasionaly I run across one I wasn't aware of. The Moonshiner (lighter color I believe) and Over The Moon are two of many upcoming reviews I plan to do. Thanks again.
Honestly the variation in the color on the corncob jig bone is probably slight enough that it would be hard to say it is from the second release. I've seen more color variation within the same releases on some of the newer releases. I wouldn't get too hung up on the Moonshiner 1st and 2nd releases. I just recall numerous people saying the second release was darker. I have the sowbelly from the first run and the canoe from the second. The second is suppose to be darker. What i can tell you is their is more variation in color between the front and back cover of my Sowbelly than that of the front of the Sowbelly and the covers on either side of my canoe. So yes it was released twice but in my opinion the variation of the bone in the two releases was people being nit-picky at the time of the second release. Both a golden dark yellow.
I just picked up the old 2005 version shown in the video. The jigging looks less uniform, which leads me to wonder whether they used to “hand-jig” the earlier models, like they do with Case knives. If so, that’s a nice, handmade touch. I should think it would promote collectibility.
Are you going after every RR stockman made? I wonder how many that is. Over a hundred, I bet. Have you looked at Blade Matrix for them? They tend to have old stock models.
No, that would be nuts and super expensive. I have some various stockmans, but no intention of trying to have all of any RR pattern except possibly the sowbelly 3.75" and 3.125". I do shop Blade Matrix quite a bit.
Traditionally , no stockman had half stops . I find it rather silly and somewhat sacrilege to add half stops to a traditional pattern where half stops never existed . These knives also go against the grain as in the fact that they don't crink the blades to make a pocket friendly folder which was always the tradition of the stockman pattern and why I will not own a Rough Rider stockman . They are just flat out too wide for what you get . I'd rather seek out vintage Schrade stockman patters and have that pattern be true to what's it's supposed to be . Rough Rider makes a nice Trapper and Toothpick and Camoe , but they can keep their Stockmans . As far as tang stamps go , every company changes their tang stamps as time goes by and can give some way of dating the piece by the tang stamp used . Some companies did a better job of being able to date the knives than other companies did to where you might only be able to narrow things Dow tho a couple decade time frame .
Yep. Minor changes in shields, bone dyes, etc. Up until around 2008-2009 some knives lacked a pattern number on the knife so unless you have the box you might not even realize it the same knife pattern.
If you’re going after every Sowbelly there were two releases of the Moonshiner Sowbelly. They look identical but the second release is a dark corn cob jigged bone.
I would disagree with the red jigged and red-pick bone being an update.
The red pick bone comes out of the old Colt line up yes they are both Sowbellies but in the case of the red jigged and Red Pick bone have a different heritage. This is why the number is different.
If Rough Ryder uses a different bolster on a knife it will have new pattern number. If it has a different blade etch, same thing, new pattern number. And yes, all of the new knives with half stops will have new numbers.
We will see if when the drop the big R from the bolster if that changes the pattern number. I suspect it will
I like the older (non-half stops) over the newer (half stop) knives.
Hopefully this will help you in your quest for all the Sowbellies
Rough Ryder had multiple releases of
Red jigged bone
Amber jigged bone
White smooth bone
Tortoise shell
Yellow comp.
Sawcut bone
Many of these are difficult to tell apart
There are two releases of the moonshiner series that are nearly identical.
Some of the older ones to look for
Rifleman series
Long rifle series
Jim Bowie
Once in a blue moon
Outdoorsman (multiple)
They also made numerous five blade Sowbelly.
Thanks for the info. My first priority is to pick up each of the different RR sowbelly releases, and then concentrate on the variants. I've attempted to catalog the ones I'm still in need of, but occasionaly I run across one I wasn't aware of. The Moonshiner (lighter color I believe) and Over The Moon are two of many upcoming reviews I plan to do. Thanks again.
Honestly the variation in the color on the corncob jig bone is probably slight enough that it would be hard to say it is from the second release. I've seen more color variation within the same releases on some of the newer releases. I wouldn't get too hung up on the Moonshiner 1st and 2nd releases. I just recall numerous people saying the second release was darker. I have the sowbelly from the first run and the canoe from the second. The second is suppose to be darker. What i can tell you is their is more variation in color between the front and back cover of my Sowbelly than that of the front of the Sowbelly and the covers on either side of my canoe. So yes it was released twice but in my opinion the variation of the bone in the two releases was people being nit-picky at the time of the second release. Both a golden dark yellow.
I noticed on those first two knives that the jigging was also different with the newer one having smaller divots taken out.
Yes, it's cut a little different. I noticed it more watching the video than I did during the making of the video. Thanks for pointing it out.
I just picked up the old 2005 version shown in the video. The jigging looks less uniform, which leads me to wonder whether they used to “hand-jig” the earlier models, like they do with Case knives. If so, that’s a nice, handmade touch. I should think it would promote collectibility.
Are you going after every RR stockman made? I wonder how many that is. Over a hundred, I bet. Have you looked at Blade Matrix for them? They tend to have old stock models.
No, that would be nuts and super expensive. I have some various stockmans, but no intention of trying to have all of any RR pattern except possibly the sowbelly 3.75" and 3.125". I do shop Blade Matrix quite a bit.
@@ThriftyKaniffy well…I wasn’t going to say nuts. A bit obsessive, though. :)
The "Double-headed Squirrel" appears to have a recurved bolster at the spey blade end that the other does not have.
I'll have to look it over again. Thanks Jimmy.
Does the new amber bone ver. have half stops? Could not find the info! Thanks!
No, neither of these versions of RR080 have half-stops.
the jigging is not the same on both knives
Thanks Buzz.
Traditionally , no stockman had half stops . I find it rather silly and somewhat sacrilege to add half stops to a traditional pattern where half stops never existed . These knives also go against the grain as in the fact that they don't crink the blades to make a pocket friendly folder which was always the tradition of the stockman pattern and why I will not own a Rough Rider stockman . They are just flat out too wide for what you get . I'd rather seek out vintage Schrade stockman patters and have that pattern be true to what's it's supposed to be . Rough Rider makes a nice Trapper and Toothpick and Camoe , but they can keep their Stockmans .
As far as tang stamps go , every company changes their tang stamps as time goes by and can give some way of dating the piece by the tang stamp used . Some companies did a better job of being able to date the knives than other companies did to where you might only be able to narrow things Dow tho a couple decade time frame .