TTRPGs Are RUINED Because of Safety Tools!?

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  • @kidcthulhufortney1320
    @kidcthulhufortney1320 21 день назад +147

    We had a guy join our 4E D&D game and one character was poisoned and the DM was describing the affected character's stomach churning when the new guy interjects "Pleeeease don't talk about puking, I have emitophobia." So the DM deftly changed the scene slightly, the new guy was relieved, and no one else minded. See, it's not that hard to be empathetic to your fellow players, people. I don't see why the dude in this video has an issue with common courtesy.

    • @n0etic_f0x
      @n0etic_f0x 20 дней назад +7

      See I had something like this happen and it was the fault of the guy because he didn’t want sick people in a campaign called plague wardens.
      So I was like “Well that’s kind of dumb?” And he was just kind of agreed and went off from the group. But I wasn’t mad he just did a dumb thing, he played a game called plague wardens and wanted to avoid the plague.

    • @tauoniclightning6697
      @tauoniclightning6697 20 дней назад +13

      In a world where cruelty is the point, common courtesy is woke.

    • @BenjaminGlatt
      @BenjaminGlatt 20 дней назад

      Woke has gone too far.

    • @rustkitty
      @rustkitty 20 дней назад +4

      It is the belief that respecting other people by avoiding stuff that makes them uncomfortable is coddling them. It's not even a really an antiwoke thing, if you see yourself as a resilient truth teller tough guy, then respecting what you see as thin skinned behavior will rankle you. (also probably a bit paternalistic)

    • @n0etic_f0x
      @n0etic_f0x 20 дней назад +1

      @@rustkitty sort of, for the subject of this video it definitely is. There is a major difference in just not wanting people he is describing at your table and just not wanting them to exist entirely.
      People like this are often not creative and the only reason why they need the dark subjects are because that is how they are “creative” the disturbance doesn’t come from creative ideas being disturbing is the creative idea.
      For instance having something horrible happen to someone because they have been a religious tyrant and their capital city fell to goblin anarchs is a going to be way more fun than something horrible just happening because someone guy finds horrible stuff creative.

  • @seraphonica
    @seraphonica 21 день назад +182

    if you can't host a tabletop campaign without intentionally triggering your players... you can't host a tabletop campaign.

    • @n0etic_f0x
      @n0etic_f0x 20 дней назад +3

      See I don’t allow this kind of thing at my table but… that’s my table. If you want to do that’s fine.
      But I also only play games with 21+ and we all act like total freaks. I’m just not good with it but I would use this if there are kids under eighteen at the table.

    • @sadpotatohours4846
      @sadpotatohours4846 20 дней назад +17

      @@n0etic_f0x I mean, its always good to have some like "hey this has crossed a line for me can we slow down now" kinda stuff, just in general. be freaky in a safe way with a proper understanding between everyone ya know. and seek to be accomadating and dont be rude if someone does bring up, hey this crossed line can we avoid this. its what every dm should honestly do, if you want to run a game thats dark and heavy then everyone should understand that but put forward where their limits lie, like if you dont like seeing children burnt alive, then the dm could work with that player to be like "hey yeah okay i will keep that in mind "

    • @n0etic_f0x
      @n0etic_f0x 20 дней назад

      @@sadpotatohours4846 I mean I try but you know how the guy talks about Veils? Okay here play with “Assault and blood” yeah you can’t have those in your game being attacked unprovoked and blood must be avoided.
      The good thing is if you just say no people with such tight veils tend to just move on. I do require people make an anonymous report at the end of the game. That’s how I find problems and it works. People can also always just stop for instance I had a person join a game called plague wardens and want to avoid drastic illness. Well the game has that, but I just let them quit and it was not upsetting.

    • @OpticalArxenal
      @OpticalArxenal 20 дней назад +2

      I mean, you can, just have some tags to say that that's what you want to do and offer players without reservation. Still, there's no need to be a dick about those tags like this guy

    • @nicolesouza8
      @nicolesouza8 20 дней назад

      Well said!

  • @EpicWinNoob
    @EpicWinNoob 21 день назад +113

    It is literally as easy as
    "Hi so my game is going to have these elements and I want to run it with these things"
    "Is there any way you can accommodate me and some of my preferences?"
    And either go:
    "I would rather keep the themes I want in the game, I'm sorry if it doesn't appeal to you"
    "Understandable, have a nice day, I won't be playing, thank you"
    or
    "Actually, okay, we can work out a few things to make it more comfortable"
    "Thank you, I appreciate it and can't wait to play"

    • @laeliuss7495
      @laeliuss7495 21 день назад +23

      That is how human interaction works. But that doesn't get views on RUclips and outrage for your culture war take and virtual signaling.

    • @n0etic_f0x
      @n0etic_f0x 20 дней назад +10

      Exactly, I refuse most safety tools but that’s a me thing. I have heard of people who have a Veil of “assault, death, and blood” but that doesn’t make me mad I just say okay well move on then.
      I don’t care about them because… yeah I have a brutal table. Heck I often restrict people who are religious from my game because well… I often mean to made up religions that are often very clearly alluding to Christianity.

    • @Koifin3
      @Koifin3 20 дней назад +4

      These people don’t believe in communication. It’s either the way they want it to be or you’re pathetic in their eyes.

    • @flazzorb
      @flazzorb 20 дней назад +2

      It's amazing how many things can be solved by talking to each other when playing a game where people talk to each other.

    • @dracocrusher
      @dracocrusher 20 дней назад +3

      So true. You don't even have to change the game, all you need to do is acknowledge what type of game you want to run and be cool about it if people aren't into it. The point is to have an enjoyable experience, NOT to "trigger as many snowflakes as possible" or whatever.

  • @tyrongkojy
    @tyrongkojy 20 дней назад +45

    So he's upset that the actors getting together to play the math rocks game use their acting abilities to entertain a tad?
    Wait until he finds out people fake accents IN FILM.

  • @PenguinEconomics-st2ws
    @PenguinEconomics-st2ws 21 день назад +37

    Emerging from the shadows, he appears
    "Fuck you mom, I ain't goin' to church!"
    *gasp* It's him! It's GrimBlade*
    *oregano character do not stel

  • @seansteele6532
    @seansteele6532 21 день назад +73

    “Conan the Barbarian, Warhammer the Old World, and Dishonored.”
    So, sword and sandal time of the ancients, medieval to early renaissance fantasy, to dieselpunk…
    Sounds like a setting that’s disjointed and with no overarching sense of place buddy.

    • @dand1253
      @dand1253 21 день назад +20

      Assuming it takes the quasi-RL geography of WHF, you could make the setting's Old World be a devastated wasteland (a la Pandyssia/Nehekhara/Sylvania), so civilization now rests on former colonies established in the New World before the disaster. The Conan bits come from fighting nefarious sorcerers and cults trying to invoke the same forces (Old Night/Great Old Ones) which destroyed the Old World, and/or having some kind of remnant cultures in the Old World modeled on Cimmeria and other Robert E. Howard "barbarians" which interact with the New World city-states.
      Then you mix in the clockpunk/gaslamp fantasy of Dishonored through the New World relying on slightly dubious technology as a tool against the supernatural evils of their world - maybe expanding on the ideas of occult mathematics behind the Abbey of the Everyman's "Music Boxes"?
      A bit _Symbaroum,_ a bit _Knives in the Dark._
      (I have put entirely too much thought into this.)

    • @josh-oo
      @josh-oo 20 дней назад +9

      ​@@dand1253 That just shows you're a creative who enjoys worldbuilding. Nothing to be ashamed of.

    • @slayerangel6597
      @slayerangel6597 20 дней назад +4

      Dishonored is pretty great, because it uses deiselpunk to its full potential, imo. If you disagree, I can see where you're coming from.

    • @TurbopropPuppy
      @TurbopropPuppy 20 дней назад +4

      @@dand1253 you certainly put far more thought into it than the "trigger warnings killed roleplaying" guy ever did

    • @molly2691
      @molly2691 19 дней назад

      I usually do something similar in my world, with different people groups having different levels of tech at different times.
      Example: Humans, which I added when adjusting my world to DnD, are not native to my world. They are literally the aliens that invaded a high fantasy planet, with spaceships and laser guns. They caused a civilizational collapse creating a worldwide dark age (even for themselves) and rebuilding into a low-mid fantasy depending on the group and place.
      The during the time most of my campaigns are set when the humans are at it again with forming an empire who is aiming to colonize the entire continent while not caring or noticing that the stars are literally being stuffed out of the sky because they are a short lives race that refuses to learn to straighten out their priorities.

  • @LaBlueSkuld
    @LaBlueSkuld 20 дней назад +25

    One time when I did D&D I specifically played a female gnome because in real life I'm a 6'3" guy so I went for the absolute opposite. I actually spent a day going around my house at my character's height to see what it would be like to be as short as her (I specifically requested to be as short as possible). It was so much fun exploring a world like that and she became my favorite character beyond any super masculine character I played before.
    This guy complaining is a nerd. The bad kind of nerd.

    • @beowylfen
      @beowylfen 16 дней назад +1

      I love playing short characters haha it’s so fun to be both able to fit in the weirdest places and then not be able to use windows

  • @Solstng
    @Solstng 20 дней назад +44

    Chuds can't RP good cuz it involves being silly or embarrassing to an outside observer and that's too much for their egos to bare

    • @-kurow-7113
      @-kurow-7113 20 дней назад +3

      Which is weird cuz they seem to love LARP-ing.

    • @DamienPalmer
      @DamienPalmer 20 дней назад +3

      Too much to bear, or to bare. Both.

  • @thechubbyatheist9913
    @thechubbyatheist9913 21 день назад +48

    Safety tools are super great especially for games with new groups, my current group has a living consent document and we use color coded cards. Part of the reason for safety tools is also to let perspective players know if a game isn't for them, but asshats like this would probably also get pissy about content warnings(which are also a valid safety tool)

    • @jankington216
      @jankington216 20 дней назад +5

      They want content warnings when a game has anti-nazi messaging though lmao

    • @seto_kaiba_
      @seto_kaiba_ 18 дней назад

      I mean you kind of have a point. If a group pulled out a "safety tool" chart, I'd probably leave immediately. Saves me the hassle of having to play with a bunch of wokes. I'd unironically rather play with a pervert, a murderhobo, or a lawful stupid.

  • @ErasMcras
    @ErasMcras 20 дней назад +36

    critical role is a bunch of really close friends that respect eachothers boundaries and knows them, the saftey guidlines didnt come from them, if anything it came from dnd horror stories and the covid era where many ppl had to do ttrpgs online with strangers or less known people

    • @ridjenite
      @ridjenite 20 дней назад +10

      And the one guy that was a creep got outed from the group.

    • @amethystimagination3332
      @amethystimagination3332 20 дней назад +11

      Most of the people who bitch about Critical Role seem to also just hate new players, that’s what most of the CR related horror stories come across to me as at least. They don’t have the patience to teach a new player but instead of owning up to it they blame Matt Mercer

    • @zenbear9952
      @zenbear9952 20 дней назад +6

      I'm guessing this guy was involved in one of those horror stories. I specifically remember a few that involved warhammer

    • @AmonTheWitch
      @AmonTheWitch 20 дней назад +1

      ​@@ridjenite nahhh Tiberius Stormwind 💀

    • @majormissile5596
      @majormissile5596 20 дней назад

      I only dislike critical role because they set bad precidents for new players when it comes to boundries and the rules, and people expect every DM to be Matt Mercer. To me as a DM and player, I like how TTRPGs are both roleplaying and a game, and while Matt gets the roleplaying done very well, he doesn't do the game part as well. Of course, I respect that he runs games differently, I just don't like when new people show up and expect it to be just like critical role.

  • @Froggsroxx
    @Froggsroxx 21 день назад +92

    It's weird how the people who are most likely to hate these cards are the most likely to be the reason for them 😅
    This guy sounds like he got stuck in 2016 lmao

    • @ridjenite
      @ridjenite 20 дней назад +14

      That's the point, I think. They want to have that power over people. And they think you should let them.

    • @thedude4840
      @thedude4840 20 дней назад

      Dude some of these guys are so mad that their hobby’s have gone mainstream and now people are not in favor of the weird dweeb shit.

    • @seto_kaiba_
      @seto_kaiba_ 18 дней назад

      Can you chuds just create your own woke TTRPG and leave the rest of us alone? You're more insufferable than the Evangelicals at this point.

  • @sherilynm9271
    @sherilynm9271 20 дней назад +24

    This guy saying he only plays with greybeard dudes tells me that women don't feel safe at his table. 😂 People like him are why I don't join random tables.

    • @thedude4840
      @thedude4840 20 дней назад

      I’m willing to bet the man is a 5 by 5 neckbeard who frowns all the time and you just immediately get the bad vibes from. And he’s surprised that peoples first reaction to him is to make sure he’s not about to do some fuck shit to them and their characters.

    • @azncisg
      @azncisg 20 дней назад +3

      Nono no, it's just because women can't play dnd the correct way gigax intended.
      Which is without women at the table.

    • @sherilynm9271
      @sherilynm9271 20 дней назад

      @@azncisg Ah! You're right. I belong in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant.

  • @Gamer_G33k
    @Gamer_G33k 20 дней назад +20

    My DM asked us recently if anyone was opposed to references to r*pe and m*tilation cause he was wanting to describe a horrid scene. We all gave him consent, and it was fine.
    But if one of us felt uneased and revoked consent, he would have stopped.
    Chuds just don't understand consent.

    • @seto_kaiba_
      @seto_kaiba_ 18 дней назад

      Or we wanna be able to play a game without having to sit through Title IX training with a side of DEI. You people think you can just virtue signal about consent and nobody is supposed to question you. Sorry but some snowflake getting triggered by racism towards fictional species ain't the same as a random 🍇scene.

    • @noahaustin-em5fj
      @noahaustin-em5fj 18 дней назад +5

      Totally not a predator above me.

    • @vaskovallidis552
      @vaskovallidis552 18 дней назад +5

      ​@@seto_kaiba_Literally complaining about consent...
      Maybe you specifically need Title IX training.

    • @clovernacknime6984
      @clovernacknime6984 18 дней назад +6

      @@seto_kaiba_ If you want to play a game involving stamp collecting then find people who are into stamp collecting. The way you find such people is asking if they're interested. If you push your eccentric personal interests on random people and they push back, that doesn't mean they're snowflakes, it just means you made a mistake and need to learn from it.
      Hope this helps.

    • @seto_kaiba_
      @seto_kaiba_ 18 дней назад

      @@vaskovallidis552 No, I'm complaining specifically about how you people weaponize the concept of consent to shut down any pushback.

  • @joshuaabe4832
    @joshuaabe4832 21 день назад +62

    Jesus Christ. These dorks can just keep using their old materials. They can play whatever edition they want

    • @slayerangel6597
      @slayerangel6597 20 дней назад +6

      It's not about using old materials, its about gatekeeping.

  • @Shadozcreeping
    @Shadozcreeping 21 день назад +27

    sent by Session 0, where players and DM discuss boundaries. he's also upset by Rule 0, which is 'we are playing a game meant for fun, so be flexible with the rules.
    evidently not fit for playing with others

    • @AdamLeisemann
      @AdamLeisemann 20 дней назад +7

      It seems to me that if we have a 3-18 scale a la D&D, he'd have INT, WIS and CHA all at 0.

  • @laeliuss7495
    @laeliuss7495 21 день назад +39

    Isnt this just optional? There's no DnD police to put you in jail for playing how you want, is it really that hard to just ignore the cards? Or maybe just play with people you already know and they don't have problems with your story, I dont see the issue here.

    • @lyudmilapavlichenko7551
      @lyudmilapavlichenko7551 20 дней назад +18

      You're correct. He's just angry no one wants to put up with his right wing tinted game.

    • @CheezMonsterCrazy
      @CheezMonsterCrazy 20 дней назад +5

      There is a very vocal contingent of the TTRPG space that doesn't quite understand that people can do whatever they like at their own tables, even though they practice that approach. Its why there is so much vitriol surrounding everything WotC does with 5e, beyond just not liking their products. They think any suggestions they don't agree with are anathema to the hobby and will somehw cause their books to spontaneously combust.
      They're also usually the types of people no one wants to game with, and they believe the cause is anything other than their own behavior.

    • @seto_kaiba_
      @seto_kaiba_ 18 дней назад

      @@lyudmilapavlichenko7551 I'm slightly on the left, but I'd MUCH rather play with right wingers than left wingers at this point. Leftists have become the new puritanical types. Like the Evangelicals but at least they had the good sense to hate the game from afar and not infiltrate it.

  • @JadeHarleyCoffeeMug
    @JadeHarleyCoffeeMug 21 день назад +25

    this guy GM-ing must be like “this is a human man”

  • @wfmacmillan
    @wfmacmillan 20 дней назад +14

    The very first edition of dungeons and dragons recommended house rules and homebrew

  • @seansteele6532
    @seansteele6532 20 дней назад +10

    Imagine me playing Hoss Roughjaw, my Half-Orc Cowboy without doing an Arthur Morgan impression.

  • @anubion42
    @anubion42 20 дней назад +15

    I’m not even into ttrpgs but all I’m hearing is “I don’t like to rp in my ttrpg

  • @Bleusilences
    @Bleusilences 20 дней назад +13

    I played a bit of Vampire the masquerade in the early 2000s and it was all about about roleplay and social drama, especially if you do LARPing.

  • @amethystimagination3332
    @amethystimagination3332 20 дней назад +11

    Something tells me he’s one of those guys who feels weirdly threatened by Matt Mercer. But instead of taking inspiration from him to create an open and welcoming table, he scares newbies away then bitches on Reddit about the Matt Mercer effect.

  • @Piterdeveirs333
    @Piterdeveirs333 21 день назад +11

    I get a feeling angy man has never seen a Vampire the Masquerade lamp before

  • @sophitiaofhyrule
    @sophitiaofhyrule 20 дней назад +8

    "Grimblade" sounds like a wicked name for a Decepticon

    • @Izrek
      @Izrek 20 дней назад +4

      Starscream! Activite the Grimblade!
      As you wish Megatron!

    • @deltahalo241
      @deltahalo241 11 дней назад +3

      @@Izrek "You fool Megatron! With the Grimblade under my control, I shall lead the Decepticons!"

  • @Popper_Drop
    @Popper_Drop 20 дней назад +6

    Bro literally got mad that they "handhold too much" and then threw a shit fit because they said you can make your own rules if you want 💀

  • @hellbreakfast1590
    @hellbreakfast1590 20 дней назад +7

    I have to point out that VtM is well-known as a huge LARP game where people dress the fuck up and literally spend whole weekends immersed in pretending to be their character. It has been this way since nearly its inception. He just showed how little he actually knows about the system and its history because he only plays with a narrow subset of gamers.

  • @Ephelle
    @Ephelle 21 день назад +10

    What does this guy think roleplaying is? I genuinely don't understand.

    • @ridjenite
      @ridjenite 20 дней назад +8

      Hack and slash. Gore and SA fantasy.

  • @penpointred
    @penpointred 21 день назад +15

    Oh man…I enjoy northern exile but holy shit is he dumb on some stuff. Seems rather red-pilled which gets cringe…also it’s rich that he’s all about “it’s your hobby space. Do the hobby how you like”…but oh damn if u do a female space marine army he’s gonna throw a shit fit. Anyhoot…I avoid these rant video of his cause they’re pretty much always wrong.

    • @joearnold6881
      @joearnold6881 20 дней назад +9

      When your opinions are bad and your beliefs are bad, when you lose your shit because people don’t like you being gross or racist or what have you…
      maybe don’t watch the stuff where you have missed those aspects of their personality. Because guess what, they’re there.

  • @generalsci3831
    @generalsci3831 21 день назад +7

    My setting is a mash-up of an Ancient Greek-inspired nation bordering a Medieval China-inspired one. The adventures are wuxia meets Ray Harryhausen creature features. Eight-headed hydra? Leap over it with grace as you sprint for your goal!
    I'm sure this setting would just make this "Conan/Warhammer/Dishonored" guy cry.

  • @PossumMedic
    @PossumMedic 20 дней назад +7

    Edit: Page 25 of Vampire the Mascaraed 1e had "Safeguards" 🙄
    It also seems like the intent is to literally dress up like vampires (fangs, makeup, capes and all) so I really don't know what this dude is on about...
    The argument "we shouldn't need this so we won't include it" sounds very anti-consent... 😬🤢
    To be clear not Jake saying that they just speak up if a player has an issue but all the videos I've seen hating on safety tools use that argument.
    These people are so weird! Just go play F.A.T.A.L. or something 🙄
    Dude is so weird... I'm not a fan of Candelabra Obscura but it *IS* a full rule set! He didn't even bother to read it! Who TF gets so salty over the "rule of cool" 🤣

  • @TheZombiemofo
    @TheZombiemofo 20 дней назад +5

    "No roleplaying at my table! That's not what rpgs are about!" What planet is this guy on? Do all of his players just play themselves in his games?

  • @JoelRiter
    @JoelRiter 20 дней назад +7

    I need to speak up about World of Darkness and Vampire the Masquerade. Originally it was extremely ethnocentric and used other cultures more as flavor. While they did their best even in the 90s, it was still a different time.
    And this effects the loee in the best of ways. Instead of having ALL ideginous people grouped in a single category, they now have separate classes and categories and are adapting to a more global scale allowing for MORE content.
    He is literally upset that MORE content is being added to the game for free along with an apology for limiting the potential game because the 90s were a different time and back then who would have understood what Romani meant let alone how diverse their cultural heritage is.

  • @SkulloMad
    @SkulloMad 21 день назад +6

    Grown man complains that people are having fun for 15+ minutes

  • @gazblackheart4596
    @gazblackheart4596 21 день назад +17

    Gets mad at people "not role playing" then proceeds to describe them doing roleplaying things lol

  • @kloa4219
    @kloa4219 20 дней назад +4

    If people feel greatly restricted by safety tools, then they don't have a good imagination

  • @MRdaBakkle
    @MRdaBakkle 21 день назад +13

    "Doing the voice" is not roleplay. Jake is 100% wrong on this. I have sat at tables with great, fun roleplay without anyone doing a voice.

    • @legndofphoenix
      @legndofphoenix 21 день назад +3

      But its also boring. Doing a voice always makes it better.

    • @kidcthulhufortney1320
      @kidcthulhufortney1320 21 день назад +7

      I think Jake is implying doing a voice makes it easier for someone less likely to roleplay to loosen up and roleplay more. It's just an optional tool that not everyone needs to use.

    • @MRdaBakkle
      @MRdaBakkle 21 день назад +5

      @@legndofphoenix I disagree. Pretty vocally. Every table is different, and doing a voice is not "high level roleplay". What does that even mean? I refer to Matt Coleville's excellent video on roleplaying.

    • @skylark5179
      @skylark5179 20 дней назад +1

      @@MRdaBakkle
      Definitely agree with this. Usually I give characters a distinct cadence, or vocabulary, and that is more often than not enough to sell it.

    • @Zoey_the_Rat
      @Zoey_the_Rat 20 дней назад

      Well, it's a cool neat part of roleplay, but not every one of us is a voice actor

  • @Leeyouno
    @Leeyouno 20 дней назад +3

    it is possible to beat both Dishonored 1 and 2 without killing anyone, as the games are designed to allow for a non-lethal playstyle with options like tranquilizer darts, chokeholds, and environmental hazards to subdue enemies instead of killing them. That is a videogame about the main player being an assassin.

  • @Unit-3D
    @Unit-3D 19 дней назад +2

    Safety tools are important. I played a game without them once, and with absolutely no warning whatsoever, my DM at the time subjected my character to sexual assault and humiliation during the fight with her family's killer, just for the sake of intensifying the scene or upping the perceived stakes or something.
    That was the last session I ever played with that group, and if we'd had a proper Session 0 then the DM would've known that I'd leave if he did that, but on the other hand I don't think it was unreasonable of me to assume that I was safe from getting molested by proxy in a beer & pretzels sandbox adventure.

  • @yellowbutterfly6796
    @yellowbutterfly6796 21 день назад +8

    the whiniest man in the universe, jake has found him and documented his meltdown for us all.

  • @tauoniclightning6697
    @tauoniclightning6697 20 дней назад +3

    To be fair, the compliment thing is fairly common for autistic people. We often feel awkward about receiving praise, for various reasons but ultimately they come down to our social difficulties and the history of being misunderstood or mistreated that many of us are weighed down by as a result of them. That being said, everything else about this guy is just bananas.

    • @thedude4840
      @thedude4840 20 дней назад

      Yeah this dude definitely was bullied in whatever the British version of high school was and only has this tough guy persona online. The man probably crinkles like a rag if he had to talk to a woman for more than 3 seconds.

  • @shawnvaljean9260
    @shawnvaljean9260 21 день назад +5

    😂 I've been hoping someone would cover this guy for a while now.

  • @klausd.6285
    @klausd.6285 20 дней назад +4

    It’s so clear these guys don’t know what role play means. I joined a RP discord to find novella. One guy asked my RP experience and I said I did a lot of DnD and he flat out told me, DnD is not role playing… Because according to him, it’s a game where you roll dice and do combat. There is no story telling and no role play…. Same dude who told me I couldn’t have my female character be a blacksmith because she is took weak to hold a hammer. But her using magic. Okay. His character who never needs to eat, sleep, drink, rest, or has to use the bathroom. Okay. His character was allowed to be unrealistically powerful and never had to remove his armor. Okay. 😒

    • @Izrek
      @Izrek 20 дней назад +1

      Im kind of interested of your both characters. What kind of lady smithie she was/is?
      I also played a Lady blacksmith but she was just huge lizardperson who sung happily at her forge while crafting blades in name of her goddess.
      Doesn't eat, drink, sleep or remove his armour sounds like a Warforged bur it cant be since guy hated d&d.

  • @Jakepearl13
    @Jakepearl13 20 дней назад +7

    This guy is literally just the effing pronouns guy

    • @thedude4840
      @thedude4840 20 дней назад

      And just like that guy I bet you his nerd hole is filled top to bottom with the “woke properties” that he hates so much. Yes buy the 2000$ mandolorian helmet that will definitely make you a likable person.

  • @RedHeadedAuthor
    @RedHeadedAuthor 20 дней назад +3

    Meanwhile, Vampire 5th ED and Werewolf 5th ED (don't know about the others because I haven't seen them yet) have literal sections of their book on how to deal with difficult topics, how to set up a safe table (various ways to pause game to check in with players, recognizing bleed, taking breaks, discussing consent), and the Exalted system made the Red Rule official (CONSENT IS KEY FOR ALL).
    Side note, one of the cited articles from the V:tM and W:tA books for bleed for anyone who doesn't know what it is is titled, "Bleed: The Spillover Between Player and Character"

    • @alicepbg2042
      @alicepbg2042 20 дней назад +1

      and arguably they are the ones that really should have thoses.
      there's blood and mention of it everywhere, it's often gory, they mostly only exist in the night and have powers designed to attract, manipulate and control anyone they want to. You are always an interaction away from not having control over your character. Very often a vampire bite is akin to SA in media.
      if any ttrpg is gonna explicitaly talk about consent and how to run the game without breaking any boundaries, it should be them.

  • @dracocrusher
    @dracocrusher 20 дней назад +2

    Safety Tool discourse is so dumb because the only way you can be against it is if you don't think people with traumas exist. Like, honestly, even outside of that, some people are just unconfortable around specific things, you know?
    I once had my elephant man hallucinate falling for an elephant woman. I didn't realize it at the time, but I'm Trans, so the whole fun scene just hit me super wrong and I just had to deal with it as the DM awkwardly played it out despite me being VERY audibly uncomfortable with things in the Discord call. If I had a thing I could do to tell him I'm not okay with this without directly interrupting the game, like a panic button, then that would have been fantastic!
    Shit happens, you know? The best you can do is either stop problems in session 0 by having people hand in quick easy cards or by giving them an out at the table. You're all there to have fun and the player experience should matter because one person feeling down is going to effect the entire mood at the table and can ruin things for everyone else, as well.

  • @RawketSushi
    @RawketSushi 20 дней назад +3

    How tf is not playing a role somehow better role playing???
    I'm so befuddled how this guy keeps complaining about role playing and then says "I'm here for roleplaying" like are you??? For someone who says they want roleplaying they don't seem to like roleplaying

  • @RedJake33
    @RedJake33 20 дней назад +2

    Your comment about a bloodborne module being possible, Monkey DM ran a kickstarter a while back for Steinhardt's Guide to the Eldritch Hunt, and it's in the final stages of production. Its really high quality if anyone's interested in taking a look at it

  • @chrisvisser-fee2631
    @chrisvisser-fee2631 18 дней назад +2

    Ooooh, I know exactly the type of guy this is.
    He's that type that thinks "grimdark" means "everyone is racist"

  • @LeafHasADHD
    @LeafHasADHD 20 дней назад +3

    "veil" means it can happen in the setting, but let's not describe it in detail.
    So the guy asking to veil murder didnt want drawn out descriptions of death, and I think that's reasonable

    • @totokekedile
      @totokekedile 20 дней назад +2

      So like an action movie as opposed to a horror or war movie.

  • @PizzaMineKing
    @PizzaMineKing 19 дней назад +1

    My strategy is: Communication. Not everything can be covered in a session 0, if something comes up we didn't think about, tell me then and there so we can not do it going forward.

  • @mistuh69420
    @mistuh69420 20 дней назад +1

    I may be OSR head and WoD fan, but roleplaying games are supposed to be fun for ALL PARTIES, so just saying "hey can we not talk about X-phobia" and the ref just going "no" is beyond Asshole Ref Mechanics and is just the ref being a normal asshole.

  • @lucario719
    @lucario719 20 дней назад +1

    dude is shook that VOICE ACTOR LED CRITICAL ROLE would make a game with a focus on ACTING...

  • @cheeto.burrito
    @cheeto.burrito 20 дней назад +2

    whining about these safety tools as a DM is like whining about safe words as a dom: A good way to get on your local Do Not Play list.

    • @totokekedile
      @totokekedile 20 дней назад +2

      He'd absolutely get banned. "What do you mean 'consent'? BDSM means I get to do whatever I want!"

  • @somik-i3x
    @somik-i3x 20 дней назад +1

    Doesn't like 90 % of TTRPG talk about ignoring rules or modify rules to fit your table ? The guy is looking for something to be mad.

  • @tibbind
    @tibbind 20 дней назад +2

    So basically this dude is just angry that his nieche hobby has become popular with normies. I don't honestly think he ACTUALLY cares about the rules or roleplay suggestions, bc he's constantly contradicting himself.
    I like the appeal of accessibility options. He doesn't. That's weird. If he doesn't like using the option, then he can choose not to. And he throws a fit that not everyone HAS to play how HE wants to when they aren't playing with him. What a Pathetic DM.

  • @JetSetFrett
    @JetSetFrett 19 дней назад +1

    Say the line Bart!
    "So we were playing this grim and dark setting."
    Yayyyyyyyyy

  • @NoHiro-qc4dv
    @NoHiro-qc4dv 20 дней назад +2

    5e literally has "you can change or make up rules as you need" in its DM guide. This guy is such a nerd he can't even nerd right.

  • @alicepbg2042
    @alicepbg2042 20 дней назад +2

    I refuse a VtM group not speaking with accents and/or a "vampire voice"

  • @brainypepper1621
    @brainypepper1621 20 дней назад +1

    I’d hope the setting called Grimblade would be self-aware in its over-the-top edginess and would lean into it intentionally for levity, but considering it’s this guy talking, I really doubt it.

  • @mvg5767
    @mvg5767 21 день назад +7

    He's mad because all his campaigns are probably Beserk levels of edgy dark, and he only plays a super cool and dark, moody Rogue who ONLY kills ADS/NPCs in the coolest edgiest ways.

    • @landonwyndham979
      @landonwyndham979 20 дней назад

      What does ADS stand for?

    • @J-manli
      @J-manli 20 дней назад

      @@landonwyndham979
      Additional/ Added mobs or monsters.

  • @corvusclones
    @corvusclones 19 дней назад +1

    "role playing is dead because you have to play a role"

  • @plagueCLUTCH
    @plagueCLUTCH 20 дней назад +1

    It’s impossible to ruin a ttrpg. Imposible. Every rule ever all of them are entirely optional. If you don’t like tieflings? Don’t have them. If you don’t like critical hits? Don’t Alnowledge them. That’s why the benefit of the gm being your computer. They’re reasonable.
    Any type you like. Include. Any rule you don’t? Ignore. Have a session zero where you discuss this with your group before playing the actual game. It’s not possible to ruin please game responsibly.

  • @Gaawachan
    @Gaawachan 20 дней назад +1

    My parents have played since 1E. Some do voices. Some don't. This dude's just trying to complain as much as possible about people not playing *like he does.* You know, the "objectively right way to play." 🙄

  • @ravani_
    @ravani_ 20 дней назад +2

    he wants roleplay without the roleplay methinks he just wants a videogame

  • @axtondragunov1784
    @axtondragunov1784 20 дней назад +1

    I think RPG saftey tools are kind of silly from an aesthetic stance but they are necessary if playing in a public game with people you dont know. Personally id just say if anyone is uncomfortable with something going on in the game just say stop and let me know whats going on in this scene so i can avoid it in the future, also id make the themes of the game clear in the advert such as "Hey this game is gonna be pretty gnarly such as violence and suffering if you arent cool with that I reccomend not joining this game.

  • @jadedtwin
    @jadedtwin 20 дней назад

    Every time there's a superchat that has the "fuck bicycles" 😂

  • @Amigo21189
    @Amigo21189 18 дней назад

    Just putting it out there: This, too, is a safety tool. If a prospective player is going to flake out over the explicit demarcation of boundaries and mechanisms of avoiding and/or assuaging inter-player conflict, he's straight-up telling you out loud that he is a problem player upon whom you will need to apply these mechanisms or their more potent counterparts.

  • @soistngcatstritchfavor
    @soistngcatstritchfavor 20 дней назад +3

    Wasn't one of the first lines in the 3rd ed DnD DMG saying that you shouldn't use or follow rules or lore if you didn't like them?
    Also old WoD had some REAL racist shit in it

  • @maskedinsanity2629
    @maskedinsanity2629 20 дней назад +2

    Well, let me put it this way: It's not a whole lot of fun to see a player enter a dissociative state and be unable to interact with the outside world for almost half an hour because the game stepped on one of their triggers.
    I've seen it before safety tools were a thing, in the "good old days". Give me 2 sessions 0s and 4 X cards a night over that. And I was the one watching, not the one suffering it.

  • @foxholecreations9842
    @foxholecreations9842 19 дней назад

    I'm running a game for my poly group that was first written as a weird fiction horror. However, life stuff happened, and the group really was not in the headspace for something dark, so I reworked it into much more of a leverage-like game and added more comedy scenes. Everyone is having fun, and I'm having fun with it, too. It's almost like a social game works better when people are enjoying it.

  • @ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos
    @ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos 12 дней назад

    I recently dropped content warnings when I invited new players to a game. The only effect it had was to advise the players of the anticipated parameters of the game.

  • @dankshellz
    @dankshellz 20 дней назад +1

    This dude discourages voice acting your character? Literally worst rp advice ever

  • @spookymcgee4927
    @spookymcgee4927 20 дней назад +1

    This fucking guy. Warhammer's Old World and Conan are a bit more then just video games.

  • @Salvanas42
    @Salvanas42 20 дней назад

    I played a fairy and all I did was just imagine what my voice would sound like if I got hit by a sci-fi shrink ray. Had a great time!

  • @Caitlin_TheGreat
    @Caitlin_TheGreat 15 дней назад

    I'd call bullshit on him not even knowing what TTRPG safety tools are. A person would need to be very out of touch, extremely insular within the hobby to not even know what they are, which is dubious for a person with a YT channel covering TTRPGs, even just restricted to D&D.

  • @kg4tnp
    @kg4tnp 18 дней назад

    He's too humble for compliments.
    I hate people like that

  • @Cointelpronoun
    @Cointelpronoun 18 дней назад

    One thing people forget is the red card is also for the GM. I could use it as a way to shut down a players weird sex tangent or murder hobo pvp derailment. Also as a GM I am always craving feedback about my gming.

  • @douglasphillips5870
    @douglasphillips5870 18 дней назад

    His problem is he doesn't want to know the players that he doesn't want at his table. If a player has limits that conflict with the campaign the worst thing is that you find out beforehand that it's not going to work

  • @Aerinndis
    @Aerinndis 20 дней назад

    I was a bit surprised to hear this creep bring up Vampire the Masquerade and accuse it of being woke given 5th edition's PR messes. Going by my experience with that player base, its also not the best at using safety tools.

  • @nebanzou
    @nebanzou 21 день назад +1

    If this guy had even a modicum of the empathy he needs as a prospective DM, he would have realized just how embarrassing it was for him to post this online.

  • @Koifin3
    @Koifin3 20 дней назад

    “me such good dm I just throw together three separate concepts and force them to fit together”

  • @oddduck2003
    @oddduck2003 21 день назад +4

    It ruins the imerssion said in the whinest voice imaginable

  • @MrGBH
    @MrGBH 20 дней назад

    So multiple people messaged him before the game asking to use safety tools
    I'm guessing the guy probably had a reputation for deliberately upsetting players

  • @sbushido5547
    @sbushido5547 20 дней назад +1

    It's funny because literally the first thing I thought when he mentioned Vampire the Masquerade was: gay. Not anything derogative, but that's just what I remember from the people who played it at the gaming shop I used to hang out at when I was younger.
    But what's the point in playing a role-playing game if you're going to get this upset at the idea of people...role-playing? Just play a board game, or Warhammer, or something.

  • @Gilledsnake
    @Gilledsnake 20 дней назад

    One of my favourite parts of GMing is doing stupid voices, its so much fun.

  • @MRdaBakkle
    @MRdaBakkle 21 день назад +6

    There is a good chunk like 75% of stuff this guy says is good. Everything he says about safety tools is bunk though. People should use those tools if they want to and they are not ruining the hobby. But I agree that roleplayers are not actors, and to play this game you should not have to speak in character, do a voice, or dress in character. Each person should perform to the level that they are comfortable with. Also it shouldn't be looked down to play the rules as written and want an FAQ or clarification released. I play mostly non DnD games, and houserule a bit as I see fit. The internet has made it so easy to chitchat with designers though and get rulings. That doesn't mean at the table you don't make subjective rulings, but after the fact you might want to know if you played as intended. Especially if a rule was worded poorly. Indie designers should be ready to make updates on what they intended for the game. I haven't read Candlebra Obsucura, so it is possible this guy is reading in bad faith.

    • @KalinTheZola
      @KalinTheZola 20 дней назад +1

      Yeah but at the same time I don't think most dnd players in general think you *need* to do voices and speak in character or, god forbid dressing up as their characters. If you're not into that then there's plenty of campaigns you can find that don't put a ton of focus in those areas.

    • @MRdaBakkle
      @MRdaBakkle 20 дней назад

      @@KalinTheZola I'm just put off at the comment Jake made about "high level roleplay" honestly it sounds just as dumb as this guy complaining about safety tools. Like what is high level roleplay even mean? And why is it specifically just doing a voice. What the guy said about roleplaying as thinking about your character's actions and thoughts is not wrong. That is roleplay and in my opinion it is more important than just doing the voice.

    • @KalinTheZola
      @KalinTheZola 20 дней назад

      @@MRdaBakkle I can see what you mean. I viewed it as meaning more "high intensity" which I feel would be pretty undeniable, but I can see where the framing could be an insinuation that one is inherently superior.

    • @MRdaBakkle
      @MRdaBakkle 20 дней назад

      @@KalinTheZola I also disagree that it is "more intense". What makes the roleplay "better" (subjectively speaking) is when all the players feel connected through real choices that are different than the choices they would have made. This can all be done without a a voice. The voice is just a costume that is added. Roleplay =/= acting and being able to put on different voices isn't needed.

    • @KalinTheZola
      @KalinTheZola 20 дней назад

      @@MRdaBakkle actually nvm apparently I said high intensity when I meant intensiveness that's my bad Intensity/intense is different from something being intensive but I can see the misunderstanding given it's a fairly subtle difference
      Edit: actually I think I'm the idiot here because after looking up intensiveness is associated with intensity rather than intensive because they are connected terms even if there's differences. So even me saying that would probably not convey what I actually meant, which is that highly "intensive" roleplay would be something that I imagine would need a lot of practice and focus to do. That doesn't mean something that isn't as heavy in roleplay like that is inferior in any way though

  • @TheMengoMango
    @TheMengoMango 18 дней назад

    These types of dudes are just upset that even after high school they're still not the cool kids. They believed that if they're uncaring of people that it would make them cool and likable. But are just upset that it's not the truth. And that "normal" people could like something they like without being antisocial losers

  • @Poisonfrogg
    @Poisonfrogg 20 дней назад

    I was not even planning on looking into Candela Obscura, but this limey 100% convinced me I need this game.
    Thanks!

  • @petoperceptum
    @petoperceptum 20 дней назад

    The best thing about talking about safety tools is that it keeps guys like this away. Second best thing about them is that if you are in a group that actually enjoys going right up to their limits. This guy gives the same kind of vibes as a dom who 'doesnt do safewords'.

  • @budlazer1450
    @budlazer1450 20 дней назад

    This dude sounds like the kind of guy who would DESPISE Blades in the Dark

  • @mizcs
    @mizcs 20 дней назад +1

    this is slander against anti social people, we are not all like this >:c

  • @AxelLeJeff
    @AxelLeJeff 20 дней назад +1

    Why is this ostensibly brit's accent linked to so many pretentious SJW gamers?
    I'm averse to compliments myself, and I believe this is a side effect of being raised by a narcissistic parent who only utilizes positive feedback as a means of control. I am, however, an adult who goes to therapy because it makes you a stronger person.

  • @warmachineuk
    @warmachineuk 20 дней назад

    Sounds like the subject is more old school AD&D, when it was mostly a hack-and-slash wargame.

  • @sameagain4968
    @sameagain4968 18 дней назад

    Gonna be honest, his whole “I started a grim dark game called Grimblade and all these players wanted to talk about was safety tools in my gritty grim dark game!” story sounds super made up.

  • @Spitfyre1011
    @Spitfyre1011 20 дней назад +1

    This man never explained what his actual problem with tabletop games is.

    • @rustkitty
      @rustkitty 20 дней назад

      I think he did. He is upset that players can revoke their consent and that they want safety tools to make that easier/unambiguous. Also he is upset that the book is talking down to him by saying trivial things like don't be mean... even though he made it painfully clear that he wants to be mean.

  • @brycejordan8987
    @brycejordan8987 20 дней назад

    I've never really been a voice or accent person as much as syntax and tone because I'm terrible at sticking to a voice/accent (I had a session where my New Jersey accent morphed through the one shot to a New Yorker, Italian-American, and Texan accent) and worse at modulating it to express varied emotions (and I do think that it being closer to my own voice lets me more readily alter it to the emotion as someone that isn't a voice actor) but I really don't see the problem with accents. Our group has two gms and one of them has a treasure trove of accents and it's always a pleasure and one of our players has some strongly distinct accents that are a joy too.

  • @harkonen1000000
    @harkonen1000000 20 дней назад

    X-cards are cool. They allow you to react to unfolding problems you might not have even thought might be problems.

  • @DuskyPredator
    @DuskyPredator 19 дней назад

    It sounded like he thinks role playing refers to rolling dice.

  • @ghidxrah2102
    @ghidxrah2102 11 дней назад

    So his problem with new VtM material is white wolf saying they dont want to be racist with it anymore

  • @ErasMcras
    @ErasMcras 20 дней назад +1

    yeah cause not making players so uncomfortable they go silent or want to leave ruins a ttrpg apparently?