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We had a guy join our 4E D&D game and one character was poisoned and the DM was describing the affected character's stomach churning when the new guy interjects "Pleeeease don't talk about puking, I have emitophobia." So the DM deftly changed the scene slightly, the new guy was relieved, and no one else minded. See, it's not that hard to be empathetic to your fellow players, people. I don't see why the dude in this video has an issue with common courtesy.
See I had something like this happen and it was the fault of the guy because he didn’t want sick people in a campaign called plague wardens. So I was like “Well that’s kind of dumb?” And he was just kind of agreed and went off from the group. But I wasn’t mad he just did a dumb thing, he played a game called plague wardens and wanted to avoid the plague.
It is the belief that respecting other people by avoiding stuff that makes them uncomfortable is coddling them. It's not even a really an antiwoke thing, if you see yourself as a resilient truth teller tough guy, then respecting what you see as thin skinned behavior will rankle you. (also probably a bit paternalistic)
@@rustkitty sort of, for the subject of this video it definitely is. There is a major difference in just not wanting people he is describing at your table and just not wanting them to exist entirely. People like this are often not creative and the only reason why they need the dark subjects are because that is how they are “creative” the disturbance doesn’t come from creative ideas being disturbing is the creative idea. For instance having something horrible happen to someone because they have been a religious tyrant and their capital city fell to goblin anarchs is a going to be way more fun than something horrible just happening because someone guy finds horrible stuff creative.
See I don’t allow this kind of thing at my table but… that’s my table. If you want to do that’s fine. But I also only play games with 21+ and we all act like total freaks. I’m just not good with it but I would use this if there are kids under eighteen at the table.
@@n0etic_f0x I mean, its always good to have some like "hey this has crossed a line for me can we slow down now" kinda stuff, just in general. be freaky in a safe way with a proper understanding between everyone ya know. and seek to be accomadating and dont be rude if someone does bring up, hey this crossed line can we avoid this. its what every dm should honestly do, if you want to run a game thats dark and heavy then everyone should understand that but put forward where their limits lie, like if you dont like seeing children burnt alive, then the dm could work with that player to be like "hey yeah okay i will keep that in mind "
@@sadpotatohours4846 I mean I try but you know how the guy talks about Veils? Okay here play with “Assault and blood” yeah you can’t have those in your game being attacked unprovoked and blood must be avoided. The good thing is if you just say no people with such tight veils tend to just move on. I do require people make an anonymous report at the end of the game. That’s how I find problems and it works. People can also always just stop for instance I had a person join a game called plague wardens and want to avoid drastic illness. Well the game has that, but I just let them quit and it was not upsetting.
I mean, you can, just have some tags to say that that's what you want to do and offer players without reservation. Still, there's no need to be a dick about those tags like this guy
It is literally as easy as "Hi so my game is going to have these elements and I want to run it with these things" "Is there any way you can accommodate me and some of my preferences?" And either go: "I would rather keep the themes I want in the game, I'm sorry if it doesn't appeal to you" "Understandable, have a nice day, I won't be playing, thank you" or "Actually, okay, we can work out a few things to make it more comfortable" "Thank you, I appreciate it and can't wait to play"
Exactly, I refuse most safety tools but that’s a me thing. I have heard of people who have a Veil of “assault, death, and blood” but that doesn’t make me mad I just say okay well move on then. I don’t care about them because… yeah I have a brutal table. Heck I often restrict people who are religious from my game because well… I often mean to made up religions that are often very clearly alluding to Christianity.
So true. You don't even have to change the game, all you need to do is acknowledge what type of game you want to run and be cool about it if people aren't into it. The point is to have an enjoyable experience, NOT to "trigger as many snowflakes as possible" or whatever.
So he's upset that the actors getting together to play the math rocks game use their acting abilities to entertain a tad? Wait until he finds out people fake accents IN FILM.
“Conan the Barbarian, Warhammer the Old World, and Dishonored.” So, sword and sandal time of the ancients, medieval to early renaissance fantasy, to dieselpunk… Sounds like a setting that’s disjointed and with no overarching sense of place buddy.
Assuming it takes the quasi-RL geography of WHF, you could make the setting's Old World be a devastated wasteland (a la Pandyssia/Nehekhara/Sylvania), so civilization now rests on former colonies established in the New World before the disaster. The Conan bits come from fighting nefarious sorcerers and cults trying to invoke the same forces (Old Night/Great Old Ones) which destroyed the Old World, and/or having some kind of remnant cultures in the Old World modeled on Cimmeria and other Robert E. Howard "barbarians" which interact with the New World city-states. Then you mix in the clockpunk/gaslamp fantasy of Dishonored through the New World relying on slightly dubious technology as a tool against the supernatural evils of their world - maybe expanding on the ideas of occult mathematics behind the Abbey of the Everyman's "Music Boxes"? A bit _Symbaroum,_ a bit _Knives in the Dark._ (I have put entirely too much thought into this.)
I usually do something similar in my world, with different people groups having different levels of tech at different times. Example: Humans, which I added when adjusting my world to DnD, are not native to my world. They are literally the aliens that invaded a high fantasy planet, with spaceships and laser guns. They caused a civilizational collapse creating a worldwide dark age (even for themselves) and rebuilding into a low-mid fantasy depending on the group and place. The during the time most of my campaigns are set when the humans are at it again with forming an empire who is aiming to colonize the entire continent while not caring or noticing that the stars are literally being stuffed out of the sky because they are a short lives race that refuses to learn to straighten out their priorities.
One time when I did D&D I specifically played a female gnome because in real life I'm a 6'3" guy so I went for the absolute opposite. I actually spent a day going around my house at my character's height to see what it would be like to be as short as her (I specifically requested to be as short as possible). It was so much fun exploring a world like that and she became my favorite character beyond any super masculine character I played before. This guy complaining is a nerd. The bad kind of nerd.
Safety tools are super great especially for games with new groups, my current group has a living consent document and we use color coded cards. Part of the reason for safety tools is also to let perspective players know if a game isn't for them, but asshats like this would probably also get pissy about content warnings(which are also a valid safety tool)
I mean you kind of have a point. If a group pulled out a "safety tool" chart, I'd probably leave immediately. Saves me the hassle of having to play with a bunch of wokes. I'd unironically rather play with a pervert, a murderhobo, or a lawful stupid.
critical role is a bunch of really close friends that respect eachothers boundaries and knows them, the saftey guidlines didnt come from them, if anything it came from dnd horror stories and the covid era where many ppl had to do ttrpgs online with strangers or less known people
Most of the people who bitch about Critical Role seem to also just hate new players, that’s what most of the CR related horror stories come across to me as at least. They don’t have the patience to teach a new player but instead of owning up to it they blame Matt Mercer
I only dislike critical role because they set bad precidents for new players when it comes to boundries and the rules, and people expect every DM to be Matt Mercer. To me as a DM and player, I like how TTRPGs are both roleplaying and a game, and while Matt gets the roleplaying done very well, he doesn't do the game part as well. Of course, I respect that he runs games differently, I just don't like when new people show up and expect it to be just like critical role.
It's weird how the people who are most likely to hate these cards are the most likely to be the reason for them 😅 This guy sounds like he got stuck in 2016 lmao
This guy saying he only plays with greybeard dudes tells me that women don't feel safe at his table. 😂 People like him are why I don't join random tables.
I’m willing to bet the man is a 5 by 5 neckbeard who frowns all the time and you just immediately get the bad vibes from. And he’s surprised that peoples first reaction to him is to make sure he’s not about to do some fuck shit to them and their characters.
My DM asked us recently if anyone was opposed to references to r*pe and m*tilation cause he was wanting to describe a horrid scene. We all gave him consent, and it was fine. But if one of us felt uneased and revoked consent, he would have stopped. Chuds just don't understand consent.
Or we wanna be able to play a game without having to sit through Title IX training with a side of DEI. You people think you can just virtue signal about consent and nobody is supposed to question you. Sorry but some snowflake getting triggered by racism towards fictional species ain't the same as a random 🍇scene.
@@seto_kaiba_ If you want to play a game involving stamp collecting then find people who are into stamp collecting. The way you find such people is asking if they're interested. If you push your eccentric personal interests on random people and they push back, that doesn't mean they're snowflakes, it just means you made a mistake and need to learn from it. Hope this helps.
sent by Session 0, where players and DM discuss boundaries. he's also upset by Rule 0, which is 'we are playing a game meant for fun, so be flexible with the rules. evidently not fit for playing with others
Isnt this just optional? There's no DnD police to put you in jail for playing how you want, is it really that hard to just ignore the cards? Or maybe just play with people you already know and they don't have problems with your story, I dont see the issue here.
There is a very vocal contingent of the TTRPG space that doesn't quite understand that people can do whatever they like at their own tables, even though they practice that approach. Its why there is so much vitriol surrounding everything WotC does with 5e, beyond just not liking their products. They think any suggestions they don't agree with are anathema to the hobby and will somehw cause their books to spontaneously combust. They're also usually the types of people no one wants to game with, and they believe the cause is anything other than their own behavior.
@@lyudmilapavlichenko7551 I'm slightly on the left, but I'd MUCH rather play with right wingers than left wingers at this point. Leftists have become the new puritanical types. Like the Evangelicals but at least they had the good sense to hate the game from afar and not infiltrate it.
Something tells me he’s one of those guys who feels weirdly threatened by Matt Mercer. But instead of taking inspiration from him to create an open and welcoming table, he scares newbies away then bitches on Reddit about the Matt Mercer effect.
I have to point out that VtM is well-known as a huge LARP game where people dress the fuck up and literally spend whole weekends immersed in pretending to be their character. It has been this way since nearly its inception. He just showed how little he actually knows about the system and its history because he only plays with a narrow subset of gamers.
Oh man…I enjoy northern exile but holy shit is he dumb on some stuff. Seems rather red-pilled which gets cringe…also it’s rich that he’s all about “it’s your hobby space. Do the hobby how you like”…but oh damn if u do a female space marine army he’s gonna throw a shit fit. Anyhoot…I avoid these rant video of his cause they’re pretty much always wrong.
When your opinions are bad and your beliefs are bad, when you lose your shit because people don’t like you being gross or racist or what have you… maybe don’t watch the stuff where you have missed those aspects of their personality. Because guess what, they’re there.
My setting is a mash-up of an Ancient Greek-inspired nation bordering a Medieval China-inspired one. The adventures are wuxia meets Ray Harryhausen creature features. Eight-headed hydra? Leap over it with grace as you sprint for your goal! I'm sure this setting would just make this "Conan/Warhammer/Dishonored" guy cry.
Edit: Page 25 of Vampire the Mascaraed 1e had "Safeguards" 🙄 It also seems like the intent is to literally dress up like vampires (fangs, makeup, capes and all) so I really don't know what this dude is on about... The argument "we shouldn't need this so we won't include it" sounds very anti-consent... 😬🤢 To be clear not Jake saying that they just speak up if a player has an issue but all the videos I've seen hating on safety tools use that argument. These people are so weird! Just go play F.A.T.A.L. or something 🙄 Dude is so weird... I'm not a fan of Candelabra Obscura but it *IS* a full rule set! He didn't even bother to read it! Who TF gets so salty over the "rule of cool" 🤣
I need to speak up about World of Darkness and Vampire the Masquerade. Originally it was extremely ethnocentric and used other cultures more as flavor. While they did their best even in the 90s, it was still a different time. And this effects the loee in the best of ways. Instead of having ALL ideginous people grouped in a single category, they now have separate classes and categories and are adapting to a more global scale allowing for MORE content. He is literally upset that MORE content is being added to the game for free along with an apology for limiting the potential game because the 90s were a different time and back then who would have understood what Romani meant let alone how diverse their cultural heritage is.
I think Jake is implying doing a voice makes it easier for someone less likely to roleplay to loosen up and roleplay more. It's just an optional tool that not everyone needs to use.
@@legndofphoenix I disagree. Pretty vocally. Every table is different, and doing a voice is not "high level roleplay". What does that even mean? I refer to Matt Coleville's excellent video on roleplaying.
@@MRdaBakkle Definitely agree with this. Usually I give characters a distinct cadence, or vocabulary, and that is more often than not enough to sell it.
it is possible to beat both Dishonored 1 and 2 without killing anyone, as the games are designed to allow for a non-lethal playstyle with options like tranquilizer darts, chokeholds, and environmental hazards to subdue enemies instead of killing them. That is a videogame about the main player being an assassin.
Safety tools are important. I played a game without them once, and with absolutely no warning whatsoever, my DM at the time subjected my character to sexual assault and humiliation during the fight with her family's killer, just for the sake of intensifying the scene or upping the perceived stakes or something. That was the last session I ever played with that group, and if we'd had a proper Session 0 then the DM would've known that I'd leave if he did that, but on the other hand I don't think it was unreasonable of me to assume that I was safe from getting molested by proxy in a beer & pretzels sandbox adventure.
To be fair, the compliment thing is fairly common for autistic people. We often feel awkward about receiving praise, for various reasons but ultimately they come down to our social difficulties and the history of being misunderstood or mistreated that many of us are weighed down by as a result of them. That being said, everything else about this guy is just bananas.
Yeah this dude definitely was bullied in whatever the British version of high school was and only has this tough guy persona online. The man probably crinkles like a rag if he had to talk to a woman for more than 3 seconds.
It’s so clear these guys don’t know what role play means. I joined a RP discord to find novella. One guy asked my RP experience and I said I did a lot of DnD and he flat out told me, DnD is not role playing… Because according to him, it’s a game where you roll dice and do combat. There is no story telling and no role play…. Same dude who told me I couldn’t have my female character be a blacksmith because she is took weak to hold a hammer. But her using magic. Okay. His character who never needs to eat, sleep, drink, rest, or has to use the bathroom. Okay. His character was allowed to be unrealistically powerful and never had to remove his armor. Okay. 😒
Im kind of interested of your both characters. What kind of lady smithie she was/is? I also played a Lady blacksmith but she was just huge lizardperson who sung happily at her forge while crafting blades in name of her goddess. Doesn't eat, drink, sleep or remove his armour sounds like a Warforged bur it cant be since guy hated d&d.
And just like that guy I bet you his nerd hole is filled top to bottom with the “woke properties” that he hates so much. Yes buy the 2000$ mandolorian helmet that will definitely make you a likable person.
Meanwhile, Vampire 5th ED and Werewolf 5th ED (don't know about the others because I haven't seen them yet) have literal sections of their book on how to deal with difficult topics, how to set up a safe table (various ways to pause game to check in with players, recognizing bleed, taking breaks, discussing consent), and the Exalted system made the Red Rule official (CONSENT IS KEY FOR ALL). Side note, one of the cited articles from the V:tM and W:tA books for bleed for anyone who doesn't know what it is is titled, "Bleed: The Spillover Between Player and Character"
and arguably they are the ones that really should have thoses. there's blood and mention of it everywhere, it's often gory, they mostly only exist in the night and have powers designed to attract, manipulate and control anyone they want to. You are always an interaction away from not having control over your character. Very often a vampire bite is akin to SA in media. if any ttrpg is gonna explicitaly talk about consent and how to run the game without breaking any boundaries, it should be them.
Safety Tool discourse is so dumb because the only way you can be against it is if you don't think people with traumas exist. Like, honestly, even outside of that, some people are just unconfortable around specific things, you know? I once had my elephant man hallucinate falling for an elephant woman. I didn't realize it at the time, but I'm Trans, so the whole fun scene just hit me super wrong and I just had to deal with it as the DM awkwardly played it out despite me being VERY audibly uncomfortable with things in the Discord call. If I had a thing I could do to tell him I'm not okay with this without directly interrupting the game, like a panic button, then that would have been fantastic! Shit happens, you know? The best you can do is either stop problems in session 0 by having people hand in quick easy cards or by giving them an out at the table. You're all there to have fun and the player experience should matter because one person feeling down is going to effect the entire mood at the table and can ruin things for everyone else, as well.
How tf is not playing a role somehow better role playing??? I'm so befuddled how this guy keeps complaining about role playing and then says "I'm here for roleplaying" like are you??? For someone who says they want roleplaying they don't seem to like roleplaying
Your comment about a bloodborne module being possible, Monkey DM ran a kickstarter a while back for Steinhardt's Guide to the Eldritch Hunt, and it's in the final stages of production. Its really high quality if anyone's interested in taking a look at it
"veil" means it can happen in the setting, but let's not describe it in detail. So the guy asking to veil murder didnt want drawn out descriptions of death, and I think that's reasonable
My strategy is: Communication. Not everything can be covered in a session 0, if something comes up we didn't think about, tell me then and there so we can not do it going forward.
I may be OSR head and WoD fan, but roleplaying games are supposed to be fun for ALL PARTIES, so just saying "hey can we not talk about X-phobia" and the ref just going "no" is beyond Asshole Ref Mechanics and is just the ref being a normal asshole.
So basically this dude is just angry that his nieche hobby has become popular with normies. I don't honestly think he ACTUALLY cares about the rules or roleplay suggestions, bc he's constantly contradicting himself. I like the appeal of accessibility options. He doesn't. That's weird. If he doesn't like using the option, then he can choose not to. And he throws a fit that not everyone HAS to play how HE wants to when they aren't playing with him. What a Pathetic DM.
I’d hope the setting called Grimblade would be self-aware in its over-the-top edginess and would lean into it intentionally for levity, but considering it’s this guy talking, I really doubt it.
He's mad because all his campaigns are probably Beserk levels of edgy dark, and he only plays a super cool and dark, moody Rogue who ONLY kills ADS/NPCs in the coolest edgiest ways.
It’s impossible to ruin a ttrpg. Imposible. Every rule ever all of them are entirely optional. If you don’t like tieflings? Don’t have them. If you don’t like critical hits? Don’t Alnowledge them. That’s why the benefit of the gm being your computer. They’re reasonable. Any type you like. Include. Any rule you don’t? Ignore. Have a session zero where you discuss this with your group before playing the actual game. It’s not possible to ruin please game responsibly.
My parents have played since 1E. Some do voices. Some don't. This dude's just trying to complain as much as possible about people not playing *like he does.* You know, the "objectively right way to play." 🙄
I think RPG saftey tools are kind of silly from an aesthetic stance but they are necessary if playing in a public game with people you dont know. Personally id just say if anyone is uncomfortable with something going on in the game just say stop and let me know whats going on in this scene so i can avoid it in the future, also id make the themes of the game clear in the advert such as "Hey this game is gonna be pretty gnarly such as violence and suffering if you arent cool with that I reccomend not joining this game.
Just putting it out there: This, too, is a safety tool. If a prospective player is going to flake out over the explicit demarcation of boundaries and mechanisms of avoiding and/or assuaging inter-player conflict, he's straight-up telling you out loud that he is a problem player upon whom you will need to apply these mechanisms or their more potent counterparts.
Wasn't one of the first lines in the 3rd ed DnD DMG saying that you shouldn't use or follow rules or lore if you didn't like them? Also old WoD had some REAL racist shit in it
Well, let me put it this way: It's not a whole lot of fun to see a player enter a dissociative state and be unable to interact with the outside world for almost half an hour because the game stepped on one of their triggers. I've seen it before safety tools were a thing, in the "good old days". Give me 2 sessions 0s and 4 X cards a night over that. And I was the one watching, not the one suffering it.
I'm running a game for my poly group that was first written as a weird fiction horror. However, life stuff happened, and the group really was not in the headspace for something dark, so I reworked it into much more of a leverage-like game and added more comedy scenes. Everyone is having fun, and I'm having fun with it, too. It's almost like a social game works better when people are enjoying it.
I recently dropped content warnings when I invited new players to a game. The only effect it had was to advise the players of the anticipated parameters of the game.
I'd call bullshit on him not even knowing what TTRPG safety tools are. A person would need to be very out of touch, extremely insular within the hobby to not even know what they are, which is dubious for a person with a YT channel covering TTRPGs, even just restricted to D&D.
One thing people forget is the red card is also for the GM. I could use it as a way to shut down a players weird sex tangent or murder hobo pvp derailment. Also as a GM I am always craving feedback about my gming.
His problem is he doesn't want to know the players that he doesn't want at his table. If a player has limits that conflict with the campaign the worst thing is that you find out beforehand that it's not going to work
I was a bit surprised to hear this creep bring up Vampire the Masquerade and accuse it of being woke given 5th edition's PR messes. Going by my experience with that player base, its also not the best at using safety tools.
If this guy had even a modicum of the empathy he needs as a prospective DM, he would have realized just how embarrassing it was for him to post this online.
So multiple people messaged him before the game asking to use safety tools I'm guessing the guy probably had a reputation for deliberately upsetting players
It's funny because literally the first thing I thought when he mentioned Vampire the Masquerade was: gay. Not anything derogative, but that's just what I remember from the people who played it at the gaming shop I used to hang out at when I was younger. But what's the point in playing a role-playing game if you're going to get this upset at the idea of people...role-playing? Just play a board game, or Warhammer, or something.
There is a good chunk like 75% of stuff this guy says is good. Everything he says about safety tools is bunk though. People should use those tools if they want to and they are not ruining the hobby. But I agree that roleplayers are not actors, and to play this game you should not have to speak in character, do a voice, or dress in character. Each person should perform to the level that they are comfortable with. Also it shouldn't be looked down to play the rules as written and want an FAQ or clarification released. I play mostly non DnD games, and houserule a bit as I see fit. The internet has made it so easy to chitchat with designers though and get rulings. That doesn't mean at the table you don't make subjective rulings, but after the fact you might want to know if you played as intended. Especially if a rule was worded poorly. Indie designers should be ready to make updates on what they intended for the game. I haven't read Candlebra Obsucura, so it is possible this guy is reading in bad faith.
Yeah but at the same time I don't think most dnd players in general think you *need* to do voices and speak in character or, god forbid dressing up as their characters. If you're not into that then there's plenty of campaigns you can find that don't put a ton of focus in those areas.
@@KalinTheZola I'm just put off at the comment Jake made about "high level roleplay" honestly it sounds just as dumb as this guy complaining about safety tools. Like what is high level roleplay even mean? And why is it specifically just doing a voice. What the guy said about roleplaying as thinking about your character's actions and thoughts is not wrong. That is roleplay and in my opinion it is more important than just doing the voice.
@@MRdaBakkle I can see what you mean. I viewed it as meaning more "high intensity" which I feel would be pretty undeniable, but I can see where the framing could be an insinuation that one is inherently superior.
@@KalinTheZola I also disagree that it is "more intense". What makes the roleplay "better" (subjectively speaking) is when all the players feel connected through real choices that are different than the choices they would have made. This can all be done without a a voice. The voice is just a costume that is added. Roleplay =/= acting and being able to put on different voices isn't needed.
@@MRdaBakkle actually nvm apparently I said high intensity when I meant intensiveness that's my bad Intensity/intense is different from something being intensive but I can see the misunderstanding given it's a fairly subtle difference Edit: actually I think I'm the idiot here because after looking up intensiveness is associated with intensity rather than intensive because they are connected terms even if there's differences. So even me saying that would probably not convey what I actually meant, which is that highly "intensive" roleplay would be something that I imagine would need a lot of practice and focus to do. That doesn't mean something that isn't as heavy in roleplay like that is inferior in any way though
These types of dudes are just upset that even after high school they're still not the cool kids. They believed that if they're uncaring of people that it would make them cool and likable. But are just upset that it's not the truth. And that "normal" people could like something they like without being antisocial losers
The best thing about talking about safety tools is that it keeps guys like this away. Second best thing about them is that if you are in a group that actually enjoys going right up to their limits. This guy gives the same kind of vibes as a dom who 'doesnt do safewords'.
Why is this ostensibly brit's accent linked to so many pretentious SJW gamers? I'm averse to compliments myself, and I believe this is a side effect of being raised by a narcissistic parent who only utilizes positive feedback as a means of control. I am, however, an adult who goes to therapy because it makes you a stronger person.
Gonna be honest, his whole “I started a grim dark game called Grimblade and all these players wanted to talk about was safety tools in my gritty grim dark game!” story sounds super made up.
I think he did. He is upset that players can revoke their consent and that they want safety tools to make that easier/unambiguous. Also he is upset that the book is talking down to him by saying trivial things like don't be mean... even though he made it painfully clear that he wants to be mean.
I've never really been a voice or accent person as much as syntax and tone because I'm terrible at sticking to a voice/accent (I had a session where my New Jersey accent morphed through the one shot to a New Yorker, Italian-American, and Texan accent) and worse at modulating it to express varied emotions (and I do think that it being closer to my own voice lets me more readily alter it to the emotion as someone that isn't a voice actor) but I really don't see the problem with accents. Our group has two gms and one of them has a treasure trove of accents and it's always a pleasure and one of our players has some strongly distinct accents that are a joy too.
We had a guy join our 4E D&D game and one character was poisoned and the DM was describing the affected character's stomach churning when the new guy interjects "Pleeeease don't talk about puking, I have emitophobia." So the DM deftly changed the scene slightly, the new guy was relieved, and no one else minded. See, it's not that hard to be empathetic to your fellow players, people. I don't see why the dude in this video has an issue with common courtesy.
See I had something like this happen and it was the fault of the guy because he didn’t want sick people in a campaign called plague wardens.
So I was like “Well that’s kind of dumb?” And he was just kind of agreed and went off from the group. But I wasn’t mad he just did a dumb thing, he played a game called plague wardens and wanted to avoid the plague.
In a world where cruelty is the point, common courtesy is woke.
Woke has gone too far.
It is the belief that respecting other people by avoiding stuff that makes them uncomfortable is coddling them. It's not even a really an antiwoke thing, if you see yourself as a resilient truth teller tough guy, then respecting what you see as thin skinned behavior will rankle you. (also probably a bit paternalistic)
@@rustkitty sort of, for the subject of this video it definitely is. There is a major difference in just not wanting people he is describing at your table and just not wanting them to exist entirely.
People like this are often not creative and the only reason why they need the dark subjects are because that is how they are “creative” the disturbance doesn’t come from creative ideas being disturbing is the creative idea.
For instance having something horrible happen to someone because they have been a religious tyrant and their capital city fell to goblin anarchs is a going to be way more fun than something horrible just happening because someone guy finds horrible stuff creative.
if you can't host a tabletop campaign without intentionally triggering your players... you can't host a tabletop campaign.
See I don’t allow this kind of thing at my table but… that’s my table. If you want to do that’s fine.
But I also only play games with 21+ and we all act like total freaks. I’m just not good with it but I would use this if there are kids under eighteen at the table.
@@n0etic_f0x I mean, its always good to have some like "hey this has crossed a line for me can we slow down now" kinda stuff, just in general. be freaky in a safe way with a proper understanding between everyone ya know. and seek to be accomadating and dont be rude if someone does bring up, hey this crossed line can we avoid this. its what every dm should honestly do, if you want to run a game thats dark and heavy then everyone should understand that but put forward where their limits lie, like if you dont like seeing children burnt alive, then the dm could work with that player to be like "hey yeah okay i will keep that in mind "
@@sadpotatohours4846 I mean I try but you know how the guy talks about Veils? Okay here play with “Assault and blood” yeah you can’t have those in your game being attacked unprovoked and blood must be avoided.
The good thing is if you just say no people with such tight veils tend to just move on. I do require people make an anonymous report at the end of the game. That’s how I find problems and it works. People can also always just stop for instance I had a person join a game called plague wardens and want to avoid drastic illness. Well the game has that, but I just let them quit and it was not upsetting.
I mean, you can, just have some tags to say that that's what you want to do and offer players without reservation. Still, there's no need to be a dick about those tags like this guy
Well said!
It is literally as easy as
"Hi so my game is going to have these elements and I want to run it with these things"
"Is there any way you can accommodate me and some of my preferences?"
And either go:
"I would rather keep the themes I want in the game, I'm sorry if it doesn't appeal to you"
"Understandable, have a nice day, I won't be playing, thank you"
or
"Actually, okay, we can work out a few things to make it more comfortable"
"Thank you, I appreciate it and can't wait to play"
That is how human interaction works. But that doesn't get views on RUclips and outrage for your culture war take and virtual signaling.
Exactly, I refuse most safety tools but that’s a me thing. I have heard of people who have a Veil of “assault, death, and blood” but that doesn’t make me mad I just say okay well move on then.
I don’t care about them because… yeah I have a brutal table. Heck I often restrict people who are religious from my game because well… I often mean to made up religions that are often very clearly alluding to Christianity.
These people don’t believe in communication. It’s either the way they want it to be or you’re pathetic in their eyes.
It's amazing how many things can be solved by talking to each other when playing a game where people talk to each other.
So true. You don't even have to change the game, all you need to do is acknowledge what type of game you want to run and be cool about it if people aren't into it. The point is to have an enjoyable experience, NOT to "trigger as many snowflakes as possible" or whatever.
So he's upset that the actors getting together to play the math rocks game use their acting abilities to entertain a tad?
Wait until he finds out people fake accents IN FILM.
Emerging from the shadows, he appears
"Fuck you mom, I ain't goin' to church!"
*gasp* It's him! It's GrimBlade*
*oregano character do not stel
“Conan the Barbarian, Warhammer the Old World, and Dishonored.”
So, sword and sandal time of the ancients, medieval to early renaissance fantasy, to dieselpunk…
Sounds like a setting that’s disjointed and with no overarching sense of place buddy.
Assuming it takes the quasi-RL geography of WHF, you could make the setting's Old World be a devastated wasteland (a la Pandyssia/Nehekhara/Sylvania), so civilization now rests on former colonies established in the New World before the disaster. The Conan bits come from fighting nefarious sorcerers and cults trying to invoke the same forces (Old Night/Great Old Ones) which destroyed the Old World, and/or having some kind of remnant cultures in the Old World modeled on Cimmeria and other Robert E. Howard "barbarians" which interact with the New World city-states.
Then you mix in the clockpunk/gaslamp fantasy of Dishonored through the New World relying on slightly dubious technology as a tool against the supernatural evils of their world - maybe expanding on the ideas of occult mathematics behind the Abbey of the Everyman's "Music Boxes"?
A bit _Symbaroum,_ a bit _Knives in the Dark._
(I have put entirely too much thought into this.)
@@dand1253 That just shows you're a creative who enjoys worldbuilding. Nothing to be ashamed of.
Dishonored is pretty great, because it uses deiselpunk to its full potential, imo. If you disagree, I can see where you're coming from.
@@dand1253 you certainly put far more thought into it than the "trigger warnings killed roleplaying" guy ever did
I usually do something similar in my world, with different people groups having different levels of tech at different times.
Example: Humans, which I added when adjusting my world to DnD, are not native to my world. They are literally the aliens that invaded a high fantasy planet, with spaceships and laser guns. They caused a civilizational collapse creating a worldwide dark age (even for themselves) and rebuilding into a low-mid fantasy depending on the group and place.
The during the time most of my campaigns are set when the humans are at it again with forming an empire who is aiming to colonize the entire continent while not caring or noticing that the stars are literally being stuffed out of the sky because they are a short lives race that refuses to learn to straighten out their priorities.
One time when I did D&D I specifically played a female gnome because in real life I'm a 6'3" guy so I went for the absolute opposite. I actually spent a day going around my house at my character's height to see what it would be like to be as short as her (I specifically requested to be as short as possible). It was so much fun exploring a world like that and she became my favorite character beyond any super masculine character I played before.
This guy complaining is a nerd. The bad kind of nerd.
I love playing short characters haha it’s so fun to be both able to fit in the weirdest places and then not be able to use windows
Chuds can't RP good cuz it involves being silly or embarrassing to an outside observer and that's too much for their egos to bare
Which is weird cuz they seem to love LARP-ing.
Too much to bear, or to bare. Both.
Safety tools are super great especially for games with new groups, my current group has a living consent document and we use color coded cards. Part of the reason for safety tools is also to let perspective players know if a game isn't for them, but asshats like this would probably also get pissy about content warnings(which are also a valid safety tool)
They want content warnings when a game has anti-nazi messaging though lmao
I mean you kind of have a point. If a group pulled out a "safety tool" chart, I'd probably leave immediately. Saves me the hassle of having to play with a bunch of wokes. I'd unironically rather play with a pervert, a murderhobo, or a lawful stupid.
critical role is a bunch of really close friends that respect eachothers boundaries and knows them, the saftey guidlines didnt come from them, if anything it came from dnd horror stories and the covid era where many ppl had to do ttrpgs online with strangers or less known people
And the one guy that was a creep got outed from the group.
Most of the people who bitch about Critical Role seem to also just hate new players, that’s what most of the CR related horror stories come across to me as at least. They don’t have the patience to teach a new player but instead of owning up to it they blame Matt Mercer
I'm guessing this guy was involved in one of those horror stories. I specifically remember a few that involved warhammer
@@ridjenite nahhh Tiberius Stormwind 💀
I only dislike critical role because they set bad precidents for new players when it comes to boundries and the rules, and people expect every DM to be Matt Mercer. To me as a DM and player, I like how TTRPGs are both roleplaying and a game, and while Matt gets the roleplaying done very well, he doesn't do the game part as well. Of course, I respect that he runs games differently, I just don't like when new people show up and expect it to be just like critical role.
It's weird how the people who are most likely to hate these cards are the most likely to be the reason for them 😅
This guy sounds like he got stuck in 2016 lmao
That's the point, I think. They want to have that power over people. And they think you should let them.
Dude some of these guys are so mad that their hobby’s have gone mainstream and now people are not in favor of the weird dweeb shit.
Can you chuds just create your own woke TTRPG and leave the rest of us alone? You're more insufferable than the Evangelicals at this point.
This guy saying he only plays with greybeard dudes tells me that women don't feel safe at his table. 😂 People like him are why I don't join random tables.
I’m willing to bet the man is a 5 by 5 neckbeard who frowns all the time and you just immediately get the bad vibes from. And he’s surprised that peoples first reaction to him is to make sure he’s not about to do some fuck shit to them and their characters.
Nono no, it's just because women can't play dnd the correct way gigax intended.
Which is without women at the table.
@@azncisg Ah! You're right. I belong in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant.
My DM asked us recently if anyone was opposed to references to r*pe and m*tilation cause he was wanting to describe a horrid scene. We all gave him consent, and it was fine.
But if one of us felt uneased and revoked consent, he would have stopped.
Chuds just don't understand consent.
Or we wanna be able to play a game without having to sit through Title IX training with a side of DEI. You people think you can just virtue signal about consent and nobody is supposed to question you. Sorry but some snowflake getting triggered by racism towards fictional species ain't the same as a random 🍇scene.
Totally not a predator above me.
@@seto_kaiba_Literally complaining about consent...
Maybe you specifically need Title IX training.
@@seto_kaiba_ If you want to play a game involving stamp collecting then find people who are into stamp collecting. The way you find such people is asking if they're interested. If you push your eccentric personal interests on random people and they push back, that doesn't mean they're snowflakes, it just means you made a mistake and need to learn from it.
Hope this helps.
@@vaskovallidis552 No, I'm complaining specifically about how you people weaponize the concept of consent to shut down any pushback.
Jesus Christ. These dorks can just keep using their old materials. They can play whatever edition they want
It's not about using old materials, its about gatekeeping.
sent by Session 0, where players and DM discuss boundaries. he's also upset by Rule 0, which is 'we are playing a game meant for fun, so be flexible with the rules.
evidently not fit for playing with others
It seems to me that if we have a 3-18 scale a la D&D, he'd have INT, WIS and CHA all at 0.
Isnt this just optional? There's no DnD police to put you in jail for playing how you want, is it really that hard to just ignore the cards? Or maybe just play with people you already know and they don't have problems with your story, I dont see the issue here.
You're correct. He's just angry no one wants to put up with his right wing tinted game.
There is a very vocal contingent of the TTRPG space that doesn't quite understand that people can do whatever they like at their own tables, even though they practice that approach. Its why there is so much vitriol surrounding everything WotC does with 5e, beyond just not liking their products. They think any suggestions they don't agree with are anathema to the hobby and will somehw cause their books to spontaneously combust.
They're also usually the types of people no one wants to game with, and they believe the cause is anything other than their own behavior.
@@lyudmilapavlichenko7551 I'm slightly on the left, but I'd MUCH rather play with right wingers than left wingers at this point. Leftists have become the new puritanical types. Like the Evangelicals but at least they had the good sense to hate the game from afar and not infiltrate it.
this guy GM-ing must be like “this is a human man”
No, it's bilbo
With a Crystal flute!
@@jasonfuller2734 THAT’S IN THE BIBLE!!
@@jasonfuller2734 THAT’S IN THE BIBLE!!
Muscular class in session
The very first edition of dungeons and dragons recommended house rules and homebrew
Imagine me playing Hoss Roughjaw, my Half-Orc Cowboy without doing an Arthur Morgan impression.
I’m not even into ttrpgs but all I’m hearing is “I don’t like to rp in my ttrpg
I played a bit of Vampire the masquerade in the early 2000s and it was all about about roleplay and social drama, especially if you do LARPing.
Something tells me he’s one of those guys who feels weirdly threatened by Matt Mercer. But instead of taking inspiration from him to create an open and welcoming table, he scares newbies away then bitches on Reddit about the Matt Mercer effect.
I get a feeling angy man has never seen a Vampire the Masquerade lamp before
"Grimblade" sounds like a wicked name for a Decepticon
Starscream! Activite the Grimblade!
As you wish Megatron!
@@Izrek "You fool Megatron! With the Grimblade under my control, I shall lead the Decepticons!"
Bro literally got mad that they "handhold too much" and then threw a shit fit because they said you can make your own rules if you want 💀
I have to point out that VtM is well-known as a huge LARP game where people dress the fuck up and literally spend whole weekends immersed in pretending to be their character. It has been this way since nearly its inception. He just showed how little he actually knows about the system and its history because he only plays with a narrow subset of gamers.
What does this guy think roleplaying is? I genuinely don't understand.
Hack and slash. Gore and SA fantasy.
Oh man…I enjoy northern exile but holy shit is he dumb on some stuff. Seems rather red-pilled which gets cringe…also it’s rich that he’s all about “it’s your hobby space. Do the hobby how you like”…but oh damn if u do a female space marine army he’s gonna throw a shit fit. Anyhoot…I avoid these rant video of his cause they’re pretty much always wrong.
When your opinions are bad and your beliefs are bad, when you lose your shit because people don’t like you being gross or racist or what have you…
maybe don’t watch the stuff where you have missed those aspects of their personality. Because guess what, they’re there.
My setting is a mash-up of an Ancient Greek-inspired nation bordering a Medieval China-inspired one. The adventures are wuxia meets Ray Harryhausen creature features. Eight-headed hydra? Leap over it with grace as you sprint for your goal!
I'm sure this setting would just make this "Conan/Warhammer/Dishonored" guy cry.
Edit: Page 25 of Vampire the Mascaraed 1e had "Safeguards" 🙄
It also seems like the intent is to literally dress up like vampires (fangs, makeup, capes and all) so I really don't know what this dude is on about...
The argument "we shouldn't need this so we won't include it" sounds very anti-consent... 😬🤢
To be clear not Jake saying that they just speak up if a player has an issue but all the videos I've seen hating on safety tools use that argument.
These people are so weird! Just go play F.A.T.A.L. or something 🙄
Dude is so weird... I'm not a fan of Candelabra Obscura but it *IS* a full rule set! He didn't even bother to read it! Who TF gets so salty over the "rule of cool" 🤣
"No roleplaying at my table! That's not what rpgs are about!" What planet is this guy on? Do all of his players just play themselves in his games?
I need to speak up about World of Darkness and Vampire the Masquerade. Originally it was extremely ethnocentric and used other cultures more as flavor. While they did their best even in the 90s, it was still a different time.
And this effects the loee in the best of ways. Instead of having ALL ideginous people grouped in a single category, they now have separate classes and categories and are adapting to a more global scale allowing for MORE content.
He is literally upset that MORE content is being added to the game for free along with an apology for limiting the potential game because the 90s were a different time and back then who would have understood what Romani meant let alone how diverse their cultural heritage is.
Grown man complains that people are having fun for 15+ minutes
Gets mad at people "not role playing" then proceeds to describe them doing roleplaying things lol
If people feel greatly restricted by safety tools, then they don't have a good imagination
"Doing the voice" is not roleplay. Jake is 100% wrong on this. I have sat at tables with great, fun roleplay without anyone doing a voice.
But its also boring. Doing a voice always makes it better.
I think Jake is implying doing a voice makes it easier for someone less likely to roleplay to loosen up and roleplay more. It's just an optional tool that not everyone needs to use.
@@legndofphoenix I disagree. Pretty vocally. Every table is different, and doing a voice is not "high level roleplay". What does that even mean? I refer to Matt Coleville's excellent video on roleplaying.
@@MRdaBakkle
Definitely agree with this. Usually I give characters a distinct cadence, or vocabulary, and that is more often than not enough to sell it.
Well, it's a cool neat part of roleplay, but not every one of us is a voice actor
it is possible to beat both Dishonored 1 and 2 without killing anyone, as the games are designed to allow for a non-lethal playstyle with options like tranquilizer darts, chokeholds, and environmental hazards to subdue enemies instead of killing them. That is a videogame about the main player being an assassin.
Safety tools are important. I played a game without them once, and with absolutely no warning whatsoever, my DM at the time subjected my character to sexual assault and humiliation during the fight with her family's killer, just for the sake of intensifying the scene or upping the perceived stakes or something.
That was the last session I ever played with that group, and if we'd had a proper Session 0 then the DM would've known that I'd leave if he did that, but on the other hand I don't think it was unreasonable of me to assume that I was safe from getting molested by proxy in a beer & pretzels sandbox adventure.
the whiniest man in the universe, jake has found him and documented his meltdown for us all.
To be fair, the compliment thing is fairly common for autistic people. We often feel awkward about receiving praise, for various reasons but ultimately they come down to our social difficulties and the history of being misunderstood or mistreated that many of us are weighed down by as a result of them. That being said, everything else about this guy is just bananas.
Yeah this dude definitely was bullied in whatever the British version of high school was and only has this tough guy persona online. The man probably crinkles like a rag if he had to talk to a woman for more than 3 seconds.
😂 I've been hoping someone would cover this guy for a while now.
It’s so clear these guys don’t know what role play means. I joined a RP discord to find novella. One guy asked my RP experience and I said I did a lot of DnD and he flat out told me, DnD is not role playing… Because according to him, it’s a game where you roll dice and do combat. There is no story telling and no role play…. Same dude who told me I couldn’t have my female character be a blacksmith because she is took weak to hold a hammer. But her using magic. Okay. His character who never needs to eat, sleep, drink, rest, or has to use the bathroom. Okay. His character was allowed to be unrealistically powerful and never had to remove his armor. Okay. 😒
Im kind of interested of your both characters. What kind of lady smithie she was/is?
I also played a Lady blacksmith but she was just huge lizardperson who sung happily at her forge while crafting blades in name of her goddess.
Doesn't eat, drink, sleep or remove his armour sounds like a Warforged bur it cant be since guy hated d&d.
This guy is literally just the effing pronouns guy
And just like that guy I bet you his nerd hole is filled top to bottom with the “woke properties” that he hates so much. Yes buy the 2000$ mandolorian helmet that will definitely make you a likable person.
Meanwhile, Vampire 5th ED and Werewolf 5th ED (don't know about the others because I haven't seen them yet) have literal sections of their book on how to deal with difficult topics, how to set up a safe table (various ways to pause game to check in with players, recognizing bleed, taking breaks, discussing consent), and the Exalted system made the Red Rule official (CONSENT IS KEY FOR ALL).
Side note, one of the cited articles from the V:tM and W:tA books for bleed for anyone who doesn't know what it is is titled, "Bleed: The Spillover Between Player and Character"
and arguably they are the ones that really should have thoses.
there's blood and mention of it everywhere, it's often gory, they mostly only exist in the night and have powers designed to attract, manipulate and control anyone they want to. You are always an interaction away from not having control over your character. Very often a vampire bite is akin to SA in media.
if any ttrpg is gonna explicitaly talk about consent and how to run the game without breaking any boundaries, it should be them.
Safety Tool discourse is so dumb because the only way you can be against it is if you don't think people with traumas exist. Like, honestly, even outside of that, some people are just unconfortable around specific things, you know?
I once had my elephant man hallucinate falling for an elephant woman. I didn't realize it at the time, but I'm Trans, so the whole fun scene just hit me super wrong and I just had to deal with it as the DM awkwardly played it out despite me being VERY audibly uncomfortable with things in the Discord call. If I had a thing I could do to tell him I'm not okay with this without directly interrupting the game, like a panic button, then that would have been fantastic!
Shit happens, you know? The best you can do is either stop problems in session 0 by having people hand in quick easy cards or by giving them an out at the table. You're all there to have fun and the player experience should matter because one person feeling down is going to effect the entire mood at the table and can ruin things for everyone else, as well.
How tf is not playing a role somehow better role playing???
I'm so befuddled how this guy keeps complaining about role playing and then says "I'm here for roleplaying" like are you??? For someone who says they want roleplaying they don't seem to like roleplaying
Your comment about a bloodborne module being possible, Monkey DM ran a kickstarter a while back for Steinhardt's Guide to the Eldritch Hunt, and it's in the final stages of production. Its really high quality if anyone's interested in taking a look at it
Ooooh, I know exactly the type of guy this is.
He's that type that thinks "grimdark" means "everyone is racist"
"veil" means it can happen in the setting, but let's not describe it in detail.
So the guy asking to veil murder didnt want drawn out descriptions of death, and I think that's reasonable
So like an action movie as opposed to a horror or war movie.
My strategy is: Communication. Not everything can be covered in a session 0, if something comes up we didn't think about, tell me then and there so we can not do it going forward.
I may be OSR head and WoD fan, but roleplaying games are supposed to be fun for ALL PARTIES, so just saying "hey can we not talk about X-phobia" and the ref just going "no" is beyond Asshole Ref Mechanics and is just the ref being a normal asshole.
dude is shook that VOICE ACTOR LED CRITICAL ROLE would make a game with a focus on ACTING...
whining about these safety tools as a DM is like whining about safe words as a dom: A good way to get on your local Do Not Play list.
He'd absolutely get banned. "What do you mean 'consent'? BDSM means I get to do whatever I want!"
Doesn't like 90 % of TTRPG talk about ignoring rules or modify rules to fit your table ? The guy is looking for something to be mad.
So basically this dude is just angry that his nieche hobby has become popular with normies. I don't honestly think he ACTUALLY cares about the rules or roleplay suggestions, bc he's constantly contradicting himself.
I like the appeal of accessibility options. He doesn't. That's weird. If he doesn't like using the option, then he can choose not to. And he throws a fit that not everyone HAS to play how HE wants to when they aren't playing with him. What a Pathetic DM.
Say the line Bart!
"So we were playing this grim and dark setting."
Yayyyyyyyyy
5e literally has "you can change or make up rules as you need" in its DM guide. This guy is such a nerd he can't even nerd right.
I refuse a VtM group not speaking with accents and/or a "vampire voice"
I’d hope the setting called Grimblade would be self-aware in its over-the-top edginess and would lean into it intentionally for levity, but considering it’s this guy talking, I really doubt it.
He's mad because all his campaigns are probably Beserk levels of edgy dark, and he only plays a super cool and dark, moody Rogue who ONLY kills ADS/NPCs in the coolest edgiest ways.
What does ADS stand for?
@@landonwyndham979
Additional/ Added mobs or monsters.
"role playing is dead because you have to play a role"
It’s impossible to ruin a ttrpg. Imposible. Every rule ever all of them are entirely optional. If you don’t like tieflings? Don’t have them. If you don’t like critical hits? Don’t Alnowledge them. That’s why the benefit of the gm being your computer. They’re reasonable.
Any type you like. Include. Any rule you don’t? Ignore. Have a session zero where you discuss this with your group before playing the actual game. It’s not possible to ruin please game responsibly.
My parents have played since 1E. Some do voices. Some don't. This dude's just trying to complain as much as possible about people not playing *like he does.* You know, the "objectively right way to play." 🙄
he wants roleplay without the roleplay methinks he just wants a videogame
I think RPG saftey tools are kind of silly from an aesthetic stance but they are necessary if playing in a public game with people you dont know. Personally id just say if anyone is uncomfortable with something going on in the game just say stop and let me know whats going on in this scene so i can avoid it in the future, also id make the themes of the game clear in the advert such as "Hey this game is gonna be pretty gnarly such as violence and suffering if you arent cool with that I reccomend not joining this game.
Every time there's a superchat that has the "fuck bicycles" 😂
Just putting it out there: This, too, is a safety tool. If a prospective player is going to flake out over the explicit demarcation of boundaries and mechanisms of avoiding and/or assuaging inter-player conflict, he's straight-up telling you out loud that he is a problem player upon whom you will need to apply these mechanisms or their more potent counterparts.
Wasn't one of the first lines in the 3rd ed DnD DMG saying that you shouldn't use or follow rules or lore if you didn't like them?
Also old WoD had some REAL racist shit in it
Well, let me put it this way: It's not a whole lot of fun to see a player enter a dissociative state and be unable to interact with the outside world for almost half an hour because the game stepped on one of their triggers.
I've seen it before safety tools were a thing, in the "good old days". Give me 2 sessions 0s and 4 X cards a night over that. And I was the one watching, not the one suffering it.
I'm running a game for my poly group that was first written as a weird fiction horror. However, life stuff happened, and the group really was not in the headspace for something dark, so I reworked it into much more of a leverage-like game and added more comedy scenes. Everyone is having fun, and I'm having fun with it, too. It's almost like a social game works better when people are enjoying it.
I recently dropped content warnings when I invited new players to a game. The only effect it had was to advise the players of the anticipated parameters of the game.
This dude discourages voice acting your character? Literally worst rp advice ever
This fucking guy. Warhammer's Old World and Conan are a bit more then just video games.
I played a fairy and all I did was just imagine what my voice would sound like if I got hit by a sci-fi shrink ray. Had a great time!
I'd call bullshit on him not even knowing what TTRPG safety tools are. A person would need to be very out of touch, extremely insular within the hobby to not even know what they are, which is dubious for a person with a YT channel covering TTRPGs, even just restricted to D&D.
He's too humble for compliments.
I hate people like that
One thing people forget is the red card is also for the GM. I could use it as a way to shut down a players weird sex tangent or murder hobo pvp derailment. Also as a GM I am always craving feedback about my gming.
His problem is he doesn't want to know the players that he doesn't want at his table. If a player has limits that conflict with the campaign the worst thing is that you find out beforehand that it's not going to work
I was a bit surprised to hear this creep bring up Vampire the Masquerade and accuse it of being woke given 5th edition's PR messes. Going by my experience with that player base, its also not the best at using safety tools.
If this guy had even a modicum of the empathy he needs as a prospective DM, he would have realized just how embarrassing it was for him to post this online.
“me such good dm I just throw together three separate concepts and force them to fit together”
It ruins the imerssion said in the whinest voice imaginable
So multiple people messaged him before the game asking to use safety tools
I'm guessing the guy probably had a reputation for deliberately upsetting players
It's funny because literally the first thing I thought when he mentioned Vampire the Masquerade was: gay. Not anything derogative, but that's just what I remember from the people who played it at the gaming shop I used to hang out at when I was younger.
But what's the point in playing a role-playing game if you're going to get this upset at the idea of people...role-playing? Just play a board game, or Warhammer, or something.
One of my favourite parts of GMing is doing stupid voices, its so much fun.
There is a good chunk like 75% of stuff this guy says is good. Everything he says about safety tools is bunk though. People should use those tools if they want to and they are not ruining the hobby. But I agree that roleplayers are not actors, and to play this game you should not have to speak in character, do a voice, or dress in character. Each person should perform to the level that they are comfortable with. Also it shouldn't be looked down to play the rules as written and want an FAQ or clarification released. I play mostly non DnD games, and houserule a bit as I see fit. The internet has made it so easy to chitchat with designers though and get rulings. That doesn't mean at the table you don't make subjective rulings, but after the fact you might want to know if you played as intended. Especially if a rule was worded poorly. Indie designers should be ready to make updates on what they intended for the game. I haven't read Candlebra Obsucura, so it is possible this guy is reading in bad faith.
Yeah but at the same time I don't think most dnd players in general think you *need* to do voices and speak in character or, god forbid dressing up as their characters. If you're not into that then there's plenty of campaigns you can find that don't put a ton of focus in those areas.
@@KalinTheZola I'm just put off at the comment Jake made about "high level roleplay" honestly it sounds just as dumb as this guy complaining about safety tools. Like what is high level roleplay even mean? And why is it specifically just doing a voice. What the guy said about roleplaying as thinking about your character's actions and thoughts is not wrong. That is roleplay and in my opinion it is more important than just doing the voice.
@@MRdaBakkle I can see what you mean. I viewed it as meaning more "high intensity" which I feel would be pretty undeniable, but I can see where the framing could be an insinuation that one is inherently superior.
@@KalinTheZola I also disagree that it is "more intense". What makes the roleplay "better" (subjectively speaking) is when all the players feel connected through real choices that are different than the choices they would have made. This can all be done without a a voice. The voice is just a costume that is added. Roleplay =/= acting and being able to put on different voices isn't needed.
@@MRdaBakkle actually nvm apparently I said high intensity when I meant intensiveness that's my bad Intensity/intense is different from something being intensive but I can see the misunderstanding given it's a fairly subtle difference
Edit: actually I think I'm the idiot here because after looking up intensiveness is associated with intensity rather than intensive because they are connected terms even if there's differences. So even me saying that would probably not convey what I actually meant, which is that highly "intensive" roleplay would be something that I imagine would need a lot of practice and focus to do. That doesn't mean something that isn't as heavy in roleplay like that is inferior in any way though
These types of dudes are just upset that even after high school they're still not the cool kids. They believed that if they're uncaring of people that it would make them cool and likable. But are just upset that it's not the truth. And that "normal" people could like something they like without being antisocial losers
I was not even planning on looking into Candela Obscura, but this limey 100% convinced me I need this game.
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The best thing about talking about safety tools is that it keeps guys like this away. Second best thing about them is that if you are in a group that actually enjoys going right up to their limits. This guy gives the same kind of vibes as a dom who 'doesnt do safewords'.
This dude sounds like the kind of guy who would DESPISE Blades in the Dark
this is slander against anti social people, we are not all like this >:c
Why is this ostensibly brit's accent linked to so many pretentious SJW gamers?
I'm averse to compliments myself, and I believe this is a side effect of being raised by a narcissistic parent who only utilizes positive feedback as a means of control. I am, however, an adult who goes to therapy because it makes you a stronger person.
Sounds like the subject is more old school AD&D, when it was mostly a hack-and-slash wargame.
Gonna be honest, his whole “I started a grim dark game called Grimblade and all these players wanted to talk about was safety tools in my gritty grim dark game!” story sounds super made up.
This man never explained what his actual problem with tabletop games is.
I think he did. He is upset that players can revoke their consent and that they want safety tools to make that easier/unambiguous. Also he is upset that the book is talking down to him by saying trivial things like don't be mean... even though he made it painfully clear that he wants to be mean.
I've never really been a voice or accent person as much as syntax and tone because I'm terrible at sticking to a voice/accent (I had a session where my New Jersey accent morphed through the one shot to a New Yorker, Italian-American, and Texan accent) and worse at modulating it to express varied emotions (and I do think that it being closer to my own voice lets me more readily alter it to the emotion as someone that isn't a voice actor) but I really don't see the problem with accents. Our group has two gms and one of them has a treasure trove of accents and it's always a pleasure and one of our players has some strongly distinct accents that are a joy too.
X-cards are cool. They allow you to react to unfolding problems you might not have even thought might be problems.
It sounded like he thinks role playing refers to rolling dice.
So his problem with new VtM material is white wolf saying they dont want to be racist with it anymore
yeah cause not making players so uncomfortable they go silent or want to leave ruins a ttrpg apparently?