What's this, a video on a Wednesday? Yes, I'm planning on making this my new regular upload day, let me know what you think! Although to be fair, I hope to get them out a little earlier in the day from now on. Survey results will be on the subreddit in a day or two.
Knowing Better people dress like "cowboys" because sometimes its prcatical. Denham jeans and a flanel shirt last a long time and there is reasons for the boots too. Cowboys are still a thing as hersing cattle on ranches is still in high demand. Im from down south and this known down here and when people put it like you did it just puts a bad name on the profession.
"The tale of the Mormons is... interesting, and probably deserves a video by itself" *Three year laters he adds the video suggestion once he does it, that's commitment*
Because cannibalism requires the death of a human. For what possible reason would you look down on people who only choose to do this very dark and terrible thing when the only other choice is everyone dies? Or were you trying to cast cannibalism in a better light? You fancy having some leg of Dan? Fried kiddie arms maybe? Or maybe granny's famous liver, pulled right out of the old bird herself?
By the way it’s worse, they probably all got sick and also didn’t really get anything out of eating human flesh (or even a raw ant is worth more than a cubic inch of human flesh)
That's what I thought. Even today our cars get stuck in mud. It's even worse w/ wagons & oxen & wheels with no tread. In fact, mud was one of MANY things they encountered on Hastings "cut-off" that slowed them down. They also had to cut down trees to go through miles and miles of dense forests, had to go up and down steep ravines (involving double hitching their oxen), and of course, had to cross the Salt Flats which was a disaster. Hastings really should have been tried for manslaughter. But this was the Wild West and you could sell "snake oil" that killed people w/o taking any responsibility for it.
With how he positioned his ferret during the bath at the end of the video, I'm getting flashbacks from this Kill la Kill scene (the infamous bath one from episode 16 where Ragyō molests her daughter Saksuki) in the link below instead... m.ruclips.net/video/TLl1AEqnJmQ/видео.html
Yeah timescale can be tricky. I live in a small Swedish town, which is young at it's 400 years age. I can drive about 40 minutes to the north and look at well preserved rock carvings just a few inches of the main road, in a farmers field. Those rock carvings are art showing feet, like a trail, of maybe 3-5 prehistoric humans walked. Those were carved 2000 bce. We live in a old world and we're a people with amnesia. Great video! Greetings from Sweden.
When I was in elementary school a huge portion of “computer class” was just playing Oregon Trail. There was always the jokey strategy of taking no food or ammo and, like, a dozen grandfather clocks and swing how far you could get. My husband has an Oregon Trail t-shirt that says “you have died of dysentery”. The game has become a significant cultural and historical icon separate from the original historical subject it is based on. I’m part of what’s sometimes called the “Oregon Trail Generation” (more popularly the hokey “Xennials”, and the too-specific “Generation Catalano”) a bridge between Gen X and the Millennials. Usually considered to include those of us born around 1977-1983, we don’t quite fit in with either the generation before and after because we came of age right alongside the Internet. We remember life without it, but it was a part of our development. I find it really fascinating. Smaller categorization for generations also just makes sense. It’s so much more relatable; 2 decades is a huge difference in cultural experience and huge number of people to try to group together in any meaningful measurement, while those born within a handful of years most likely attended school together and/or had older or younger siblings that brought experiences, milestones, and touchstones together. And one that stands out as being highly specific to my peers is Oregon Trail. I think it’s a brilliant marker. Just sayin’.
Hey, I've discovered that 3 years can be a significant cultural leap depending on the events involved. For example, 91-93, 94-96, and 97-99 could easily be mini-generations due to how massively different their experiences of Y2K and 9/11 were.
@@elijahpadilla5083 yeah I’m 28 and always am struck by how differently 25, 26 year olds describe those events. No nostalgia for the pre-millennium hype, no mourning of a lost future we were promised but was ultimately always going to be illusory. (Though I notice I was paying attention to the world and media earlier than some others the same age as me, I usually relate more to 31-35 year olds’ experiences of those times.)
5:00 Those kind of snow storms still happen. I lived near Lake Tahoe one winter. The night before I spent 6 hours working in intense snowfall to clear a path from the door to my car and my room mate's car, then from the cars to the road. I quit about midnight but woke up at 5:30 because I know I was going to have to dig the cars out. When I opened the door the entire door and found a wall of snow filling the entire door way. It had snowed 7 feet in 6 hours! With my roommates help we worked until about 7 and had not even cleared a path past the porch. I realized I wasn't going to make it into work that day, but when I called I was told to keep working on clearing a path. My bass still wanted me to come in.I worked until noon before I could get to my truck and it took me another hour just to reach the main road, which had been plowed. I finally got to work at about 1:30 but I was told to go on home. So few lift operators had made it to work the ski area simply could not open. Not that it mattered, everyone who would have come to ski were as snowed in as I was. I did get a full days pay for making it though, at time and a half! So at least all that effort wasn't wasted. It turned out the snow was so deep my other room mate's car was crushed.
Maybe, but he paid me for the whole day. I just look at it as I worked half a day and got a full days work. I also called him before I was due to show up. I didn't get there until 6 hours after I was due to show up, so at the time I called, he was still planing to open the resort.
I don't know why comments like this bother me. Good things take time and building a sub amount takes well done consistent videos, which he does. He is for sure on his way if he stay's impartial and avoids political rhetoric. I am sure the "Dog whistle" vid didn't help either. Almost made me unsub but I gave him a pass for the one mistake. I won't last through another though.
Smerkin A'merkin So you can't handle polarizing content if you don't agree with him? Fine. Dislike the video or whatever. But what does it have to do with any of his other videos?
My sister has a trail near her house in NJ that looks like those ruts, except not quite as deep. She’s in Egg Harbor Township. The trail is called “Indian Cabin Trail.” It was used for hundreds of year by the local tribe (primarily lenni Lenape, I believe) as they moved seasonally to the shore for fishing (and related food procurement--especially wild cranberries and other berries that COVER the forest floor and thrive in the shade produced by the pine and cedar treetops.) When Europeans started to settle, they used the trail like a highway. It saw its heaviest modern use when Europeans discovered there was a lot of iron that could be mined in the area. My sister’s family can still find remnants of iron slag when they go foraging for berries. It’s such a pretty area.
My family history stems back to the Mormons passage on the trails. We are mostly in southern Idaho and northern Utah to this day. I’m glad you shed some light on this easily forgotten history, it was a rough time back then and many died doing it.
They fled religious persecution because people thought it was a strange cult (it is) so they went to utah, started their own army and proceeded to forbid other religions. (I made that last part up, but I wouldn't doubt they did that)
I live in Reno, NV and grew up in a town near here. I graduated high school in June of this year. No matter what, the Donner Party was apart of my education and honestly, you sir did this historical event justice. I love your videos, please keep making badass videos! ❤
This video is tied for my favorite RUclips video about the Donner Party with on-location shots made by someone who grew up in Hawaii (the other one is Ask A Mortician’s)
Your videos are awesome! Most of the topics I feel like I already know about, but I always learn some new things. It's really the opposite of so many youtube videos where the smallest amout of info is stretched into a 10 minute video. Keep up the great work!
Just subscribed to you and I haven't even seen any of your videos yet; Ive saved two for watching later after I get home from work tonight. The topics you seem to cover are very interesting and I look forward to exploring them more!
American Experience's "The Donner Party" is probably the best documentary I've seen on this subject. All photos, modern video footage of the trail and voiceovers, but it's really haunting and gives you a good idea of the despair and hardship the settlers went through. The music is excellent as well.
The real question is why didn't they attempt to finish the trail, rather then wait it out? Perhaps I'm the fool, but waiting till you starve and turn Cannibal is clearly the wrong decision to me, maybe send someone who is good with trails out and have them look for help? I mean a football team in the arguable harsher south American mountains did it in like the 70's yet they couldn't? (to lazy to look up the mountain range)
Your comment is making the mistake with hindsight. You do not know how long the snow was going to last. Being caught on the trail during a blizzard would have killed them all. You're question implies cannibalism was part of a plan. The decisions made were very reasonable at the time. Then events kept getting worse. After the first few nights the trail would have been impassible. They stayed because they had no choice, there only hope was to ride it out, hoping that the snow would stop and they can plan from there. However the snow did not stop. Then the food runs out. Now the party is the harsh reality of survival. The two mistakes that damned the party were leaving Liberty Rock sight two weeks late, and trusting the charlatan's trail guide. These two together lead the party to their doom.
Actually, they did try to summit the mountain a few times, but the depths of the snow made it impossible. It was a freak year for snow drifts - there's a good chance they might have made it across the mountains had the snowfall/weather been normal.
7:32 very nice touch with the South Park sound bite. I enjoyed it thoroughly. Lol. Love your channel and videos. Keep it up. Good information with beautifully executed sarcasm and humor. Thank you
When I subscribed to you a couple of months ago I hesitated to press the button. But I have to say that this gets better and better. And I am happy that I subscribed.
I really appreciate you saying that... I must say that hitting the front of r/videos yesterday is a good sign towards the "blowing up" bit. I've been at this for over a year so you're free to see what else I've made :)
Knowing Better, I have watched 7 of your vids so far. Not a single one of them deserves any complaints. Well done and FULL of FACTS. I very much enjoy watching. You get a sub. Dude, you are so together mentally, I would sell you a wolfdog any day.
"..snow drifts 60 feet high" that sounds deliriously high. I found sources that said the deepest the snow got in Donner Pass that winter was around 25 feet but was in most places closer to 10 feet.
You must be from a warm climate. Snow drifts happen when snow blows against a surface and are often much taller than the surrounding area. I am from Minnesota and it’s not unheard of to have 3 feet of snow but a snow drift as tall as a one story building.
The Donner Party chose the wrong reindeer to lead them. If they had been the Blitzen Party, they would have zipped across the West like lightning and never gotten stuck in the Sierra Nevada and forced to eat each other.
To be fair, the trip by boat is thousands of miles, and by land you cut that much shorter already, and maps were much less common so people just had ideas about distances and geography. so the claim that hundreds of miles could still be saved wouldn't seem outlandish to many
I hope you're really fair to the Mormons and do the same level of investigation/research we've come to appreciate from your channel (a la Christoforo Colombo)
@bbonner422 Having read several chunks of the New Testament in the original Greek, I found that the KJV was the translation most faithful to the original text. I can't say how good the Hebrew translation is, as I don't know Hebrew. The KJV is widely misunderstood because the language is archaic. If you understand Early Modern English well, it's a great translation, hghly poetic, and one of the greatest works in the English language.
If i remember correctly sutter's mill isn't a town as you spoke of it its just a saw mill owned by John Sutter who also Owned a fort near the Sacremento it's where they took the donner party survivors. So you dont find Gold In sutte'r mill so much as near sutters mill. Today its in Coloma which i guess was named a year later. It's fairly close to Mariposa. the Locals are nicer then how fallout might portray them.
Can you do a video on the mountain meadows massacre? One of the weirdest and most messed up stories I've read from out west.(and fairly related to this video)
I had never heard of this, but after looking it up it is kind of hilarious and almost too good not to make a video about. There are a number of incidents like this in the old west and I'm sure I could find a way to compile them all and talk about them. Thanks for the suggestion!
I think he means because it was essentially a comedy of errors, with a group of people who had had horrible things done to them wanting to take it out on other people who were being jerks but being explicitly told not to by their leaders but not getting word until after they'd done it, so they were sitting there with a bunch of dead people going "whoops..."
David Lemon It's essentially dark comedy. There are some deaths that are not supposed to happen but they happen anyway because of the stupidity surrounding it and while it is sad that lives are lost, over time your sympathy for it gradually decreases because you remember how ridiculous the events that led up to it, so it slowly became funny in a twisted way. Almost like if a horror movie where people die done wrong, it became too comical to take seriously.
one of my ancestors was on the mormon trail, their party didn’t eat each other but they did set out late and apparently people froze to death and multiple ppl were in one grave bc so many people died and they had to keep moving
Your analysis of us history and it being talked a lot more even though it is only a small fraction of its history is very good. I have the same conviction about the US civil war. Look at people describing troop movements and intentions about individual commanders, luitenants or generals.
Please make a video about the Mormons. It would be awesome. The handcart trail that you mentioned was an interesting note in this history. Mormons gave european converts interest free loans in order to travel to Utah. They called it the "perpetual immigration fund". But they didn't give enough to afford the trip by rail. Hence, the handcarts.
Hmmmm.... this Donner Party explanation seemed a little oversimplified but maybe that's because I listened to a 3 hour and 15 min podcast on it from Last Podcast On The Left. The cannibalism definitely wasn't as straight forward as you made it sound here, though
Sports teams are often named for things that happened hundreds of years ago. The San Diego Padres baseball team gets there name from the Franciscan friars that helped establish San Diego in 1769. The Texas Rangers Law Enforcement Division was established in 1823. Nearly 150 years later, a Major League Baseball team in the Dallas-Fort Worth region would be named for it.
Are you coloring your hair? or is it the stress of witnessing peoples idiocy, and having to spell everything out, forcing you to age at an accelerated rate...🤔
On July 31, 1858 gold was discovered in Little Dry Creek near the confluence to the South Platte River, in what is now Englewood, Colorado. The Santa Fe trail would have been the route to those digs.
Thank you! I'm from 4 generations of ranchers and it literally says on my dad's paycheck "cowboy". Definitely still a thing, albeit a rarity in today's world. By the way, the "factory farming" methods are typically just used for the last few weeks of life to make processing/shipping/moving easier, faster, and more humane. A majority of cattle are raised free range (at least here in Arizona).
"Dressing like a cowboy like it's Halloween year-round" Is where I beg to differ. It isn't necessarily because we want to copy the style that was "only around for 14 years", The whole "cowboy" style, culture and lifestyle has persisted to the modern era and some of us continue to dress in this manner since it's the norm- it's what we grew up seeing on a daily basis. I do not know how prevalent it is in other states, but in Arizona, New Mexico and Texas, it's really not out of the question to have people in jeans, boots, button ups and the occasional sombrero / stetson. Although the style is becoming less popular due to the rise of urbanization, it shouldn't be called a "costume".
Human beings staving to death and eating their own/digging up bodies?.... Meh, it's not that bad. Booger hanging from dude's nose for the first minutes of the video?.... *SOMEONE CALL THE MILITARY AND THE CDC!!*
"The actual profession of cowboy only lasted 14 years..." How are you defining the "profession of cowboy"? It literally just refers to a "boy" who herds cattle.
@Hiro Takkan True, I guess the cowboy we all know and love never existed. You know, the revolver wielding hero chasing bandits with the fancy hat and boots, jeans, etc. Even the music we associate with cowboys, it's rock music, they didn't have that back then, or that rag time piano music we think they had in saloons, that didn't exist until the early 1900s. All that's probably real is the fact there were Native Americans, and that they were on horses in unpopulated, unspoiled areas of the Mid West. Even the cowboy hats weren't as cool and fancy as we think, they were just plain hats to block the sun.
@@ReddoFreddo What you're describing are criminal gunslingers/gangsters. They did exist in he early to mid 1800's, but were never referred to as "cowboys".
The definition of 'cowboy' makes me wonder too. If it means escorting large herds of cattle from one place to another on the way to market, perhaps. But cattle ranches exist to this day, and the traditional skills of cutting and roping are still as important as they ever were.
Thank you for linking to Patrick Breen’s diary, this was very informative. While reading this primary source, however, I found that there was no mention of cannibalism until late February, and that the travelers still had (meager) meat and hides long past Christmas. So according to this primary source, it seems that there was no “drawing straws” on Christmas Eve to determine who to eat first. It’s still a neat story though, even if it’s inaccurate.
Ummm, the actual profession of "Cowboy" is still around today. What I think you are referring to is the cattle drives, those lasted less than 20 years due to the rail road. But Professional Cowboys have been in existence for centuries and still are today.
2:25 Fun note: these boats were used to reclaim land for San Francisco, by sinking the ships and burying them under dirt and junk. If you dig under north San Francisco, you'll find a bunch of old ships. This land reclamation was highly profitable, and people would buy tracts of water in the bay with the intention to fill it.
My hometown was founded as an outpost on the Oregon Trailer and historians tracked the Oregon Trails path through the town about 20 miles away you can see ruts where the wagon wheels were and not only did the Oregon Trail go through my town it went through my school. I grew up having recess on the Oregon trail my history teacher taught us about the Oregon Trail literary right on top of it
I'm from Utah and almost all of my ancestors came across by wagon, by handcart or by train. My mother's ancestors came by wagon and handcart and my dad's came later after the transcontinental railroad was completed. As for the handcarts, you neglected to touch upon the Willie and Martin Handcart Company. They started out too late in the summer of 1856 and got caught in early October snowstorms in Wyoming. Before they were rescued later in the month, over 200 members from the companies died from starvation and cold.
A popular song from 1849 "Fools of Forty-Nine" has the lyric: "The people died on every route / They sickened and died like sheep / And those at sea before were dead / were launched into the deep / and those who died a-crossing the plains / fared not as well as that / for a hole was dug and they was dumped / along the terrible Platte"
samiamtheman 73 You can take from their hunting grounds and your animals can eat their vegetation, causing starvation, the latter being what really made the Natives angry during the Black Hills gold rush, and that is a form of trespass, as in commit a trespass against, in literary or Biblical terms. Wrongdoing, transgression, offense are synonyms. Intrusion, encroachment are legal synonyms. You can most certainly trespass on a reservation or land set aside by treaty even if those within the land do not believe in land ownership. You can also trespass on rented land, that is not owned by the tenant who calls the cops on you. Belief system is not what determines trespass. You could believe the moon is made of green cheese and it would be immaterial to the case that someone is moving in on land that your family has used and maintained for generations, which according to the settlers' own understanding of the law, made it yours. So according to the settlers' own definition, they were trespassing on Native land.
oh is that why they murdered religious pilgrims who had no means of defense, left the male children to die, and took the female children as slaves? yeah totally justifiable.
It's funny, I grew up in that area and I learned about that stuff in grade school. And I still remember playing the Oregon Trail game so much in the computer lab that I basically never lost. We even watched the documentary in about 4th grade. Yeah...it's not the best place to grow up.
What's this, a video on a Wednesday? Yes, I'm planning on making this my new regular upload day, let me know what you think! Although to be fair, I hope to get them out a little earlier in the day from now on.
Survey results will be on the subreddit in a day or two.
Odin's spear you're hot, you silver fox. Lol where are all the psycho comments like your other vids?
Knowing Better people dress like "cowboys" because sometimes its prcatical. Denham jeans and a flanel shirt last a long time and there is reasons for the boots too. Cowboys are still a thing as hersing cattle on ranches is still in high demand. Im from down south and this known down here and when people put it like you did it just puts a bad name on the profession.
Actually Natives had no land because they didn't believe in it and they didn't form any type of Federal Government.
I love the southpark reference faintly in the background.
I've noticed this channel has nothing on african history why is that
"The tale of the Mormons is... interesting, and probably deserves a video by itself"
*Three year laters he adds the video suggestion once he does it, that's commitment*
Read same time he said it lol
That's good marketing is what it is
@@Efishrocket102dude... same wtf
What if I don't have any fat friends. Oh crap... I just realized, I'm the fat friend.
Don't be silly. You're American, you're all fat.
@@binshuo Huh. Never thought of it that way. What would the anorexics be?
@@binshuo: i'm american and skinny with a bit of leg muscle
RIP you, I am glad I’m a skeleton xenomorph, so no one would eat me unless they wanted their face torn off.
Binshuo Hu, I’m American... then again I’m a cave dweller so technically I’m not American, I’m cavian.
“shorter than the war in afghanistan” i picked the perfect day to rewatch this considering the taliban took over kabul like 12 hours ago
Omg, it has been already a year since kabul
Cannibalism is so taboo, until you have to do it to survive. Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
Because cannibalism requires the death of a human. For what possible reason would you look down on people who only choose to do this very dark and terrible thing when the only other choice is everyone dies? Or were you trying to cast cannibalism in a better light? You fancy having some leg of Dan? Fried kiddie arms maybe? Or maybe granny's famous liver, pulled right out of the old bird herself?
You know you’re supposed to eat turkey on thanksgiving right?
@@limitedbreadstx4152 yeah, I don't like the implication that cannibalism is a Thanksgiving practice.
As it should be.
Wh...what are you implying?
Just remember if you options are to ford the river or pay for a ferry, ALWAYS pay for the ferry.
Being a banker from Boston also helps.
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Yeah, they were noobs to depart in May. Everyone knows you should go during March.
I would just caulk the wagon and float across
I once managed to win as a farmer without buying all of the equipment or paying to be ferried. My score was pretty high.
Gareth Baus how the _fuck_ did you do that
@@yorick22 God was on his side. Amen.
Worst cherimas ever
jonny pepperston criminally underrated comment
Cherimass*
By the way it’s worse, they probably all got sick and also didn’t really get anything out of eating human flesh (or even a raw ant is worth more than a cubic inch of human flesh)
'Gunna destroy this on yelp!'
@@silvertheelf That's some bullshit right there.
I HAVE A DEGREE IN HISTORY... WHY AREN'T YOU GETTING MORE EXPOSURE?! YOU'RE EXACTLY CORRECT!
Loud noises!
You answered your own question.
Because facts are not popular. You need lies to be a bit hit on YT
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might the answer to why they didn't take the "easier path" be mud? or soft ground? wagon wont sink into limestone and get stuck. just a thought.
Also constantly detouring around every little rock would potentially slow them down significantly.
That's what I thought. Even today our cars get stuck in mud. It's even worse w/ wagons & oxen & wheels with no tread. In fact, mud was one of MANY things they encountered on Hastings "cut-off" that slowed them down. They also had to cut down trees to go through miles and miles of dense forests, had to go up and down steep ravines (involving double hitching their oxen), and of course, had to cross the Salt Flats which was a disaster. Hastings really should have been tried for manslaughter. But this was the Wild West and you could sell "snake oil" that killed people w/o taking any responsibility for it.
keeping your elevation is a big thing, you don't want to go down and come back up.it's best to go around an arroyo if you can.
Did you ever think a hundred and fifty years ago it wasn't an open plain but a dense forest.
@@jamesmonahan1819 I've seen a bus station called arroyo somewhere.
8:32 "That's actually shorter than the War in Afghanistan (2001-20??)"
Oof. Well, we have an end date now.
2001-2021
Are you baptising your ferret at 8:50?
mormon catsnake
Not fully immersed, try again.
Make sure you put it in the microwave to dry😉
With how he positioned his ferret during the bath at the end of the video, I'm getting flashbacks from this Kill la Kill scene (the infamous bath one from episode 16 where Ragyō molests her daughter Saksuki) in the link below instead...
m.ruclips.net/video/TLl1AEqnJmQ/видео.html
This was weird 😵
Yeah timescale can be tricky.
I live in a small Swedish town, which is young at it's 400 years age.
I can drive about 40 minutes to the north and look at well preserved rock carvings just a few inches of the main road, in a farmers field.
Those rock carvings are art showing feet, like a trail, of maybe 3-5 prehistoric humans walked.
Those were carved 2000 bce.
We live in a old world and we're a people with amnesia.
Great video!
Greetings from Sweden.
Young at 400 years? Is that sarcasm?
When I was in elementary school a huge portion of “computer class” was just playing Oregon Trail. There was always the jokey strategy of taking no food or ammo and, like, a dozen grandfather clocks and swing how far you could get. My husband has an Oregon Trail t-shirt that says “you have died of dysentery”. The game has become a significant cultural and historical icon separate from the original historical subject it is based on.
I’m part of what’s sometimes called the “Oregon Trail Generation” (more popularly the hokey “Xennials”, and the too-specific “Generation Catalano”) a bridge between Gen X and the Millennials. Usually considered to include those of us born around 1977-1983, we don’t quite fit in with either the generation before and after because we came of age right alongside the Internet. We remember life without it, but it was a part of our development. I find it really fascinating.
Smaller categorization for generations also just makes sense. It’s so much more relatable; 2 decades is a huge difference in cultural experience and huge number of people to try to group together in any meaningful measurement, while those born within a handful of years most likely attended school together and/or had older or younger siblings that brought experiences, milestones, and touchstones together. And one that stands out as being highly specific to my peers is Oregon Trail. I think it’s a brilliant marker.
Just sayin’.
Hey, I've discovered that 3 years can be a significant cultural leap depending on the events involved. For example, 91-93, 94-96, and 97-99 could easily be mini-generations due to how massively different their experiences of Y2K and 9/11 were.
Xennials are the greatest generation. Xennials 4 pres.
@@elijahpadilla5083 yeah I’m 28 and always am struck by how differently 25, 26 year olds describe those events. No nostalgia for the pre-millennium hype, no mourning of a lost future we were promised but was ultimately always going to be illusory. (Though I notice I was paying attention to the world and media earlier than some others the same age as me, I usually relate more to 31-35 year olds’ experiences of those times.)
As a fat friend, the introduction has me slightly worried for my safety on this trail.
5:00 Those kind of snow storms still happen. I lived near Lake Tahoe one winter. The night before I spent 6 hours working in intense snowfall to clear a path from the door to my car and my room mate's car, then from the cars to the road. I quit about midnight but woke up at 5:30 because I know I was going to have to dig the cars out.
When I opened the door the entire door and found a wall of snow filling the entire door way. It had snowed 7 feet in 6 hours!
With my roommates help we worked until about 7 and had not even cleared a path past the porch. I realized I wasn't going to make it into work that day, but when I called I was told to keep working on clearing a path. My bass still wanted me to come in.I worked until noon before I could get to my truck and it took me another hour just to reach the main road, which had been plowed.
I finally got to work at about 1:30 but I was told to go on home. So few lift operators had made it to work the ski area simply could not open. Not that it mattered, everyone who would have come to ski were as snowed in as I was.
I did get a full days pay for making it though, at time and a half! So at least all that effort wasn't wasted.
It turned out the snow was so deep my other room mate's car was crushed.
Maybe, but he paid me for the whole day. I just look at it as I worked half a day and got a full days work. I also called him before I was due to show up. I didn't get there until 6 hours after I was due to show up, so at the time I called, he was still planing to open the resort.
That is some epic snow. I bet you get flash backs to it when the Stark's say, "Winter is coming."
@@erictaylor5462: and you averted having your car crushed, that counts for something!
That is California for you.
That's a very interesting story. Thank you kind sir.
I am floored that more people haven't found you yet and I'm going to do what I can to change that. Really fantastic video!!
+nick baldassare , I appreciate the enthusiasm! Helping to spread the word on Reddit and other platforms helps a lot. Thanks for the compliment :)
I don't know why comments like this bother me. Good things take time and building a sub amount takes well done consistent videos, which he does. He is for sure on his way if he stay's impartial and avoids political rhetoric. I am sure the "Dog whistle" vid didn't help either. Almost made me unsub but I gave him a pass for the one mistake. I won't last through another though.
Smerkin A'merkin
So you can't handle polarizing content if you don't agree with him? Fine. Dislike the video or whatever.
But what does it have to do with any of his other videos?
I just found him this morning...have a lot of videos to catch up on
My sister has a trail near her house in NJ that looks like those ruts, except not quite as deep. She’s in Egg Harbor Township. The trail is called “Indian Cabin Trail.” It was used for hundreds of year by the local tribe (primarily lenni Lenape, I believe) as they moved seasonally to the shore for fishing (and related food procurement--especially wild cranberries and other berries that COVER the forest floor and thrive in the shade produced by the pine and cedar treetops.)
When Europeans started to settle, they used the trail like a highway. It saw its heaviest modern use when Europeans discovered there was a lot of iron that could be mined in the area. My sister’s family can still find remnants of iron slag when they go foraging for berries. It’s such a pretty area.
My family history stems back to the Mormons passage on the trails. We are mostly in southern Idaho and northern Utah to this day.
I’m glad you shed some light on this easily forgotten history, it was a rough time back then and many died doing it.
This is really fascinating! Well done!
Such unprovoked hostility.
lol wtf
I'd love a video on Mormonism! That sounds interesting af.
I was just thinking about this earlier today... great... now I actually have to do it :P
Watch the musical
Taylor I'd be willing to do so if it would help.
They fled religious persecution because people thought it was a strange cult (it is) so they went to utah, started their own army and proceeded to forbid other religions. (I made that last part up, but I wouldn't doubt they did that)
Knowing Better you replied the same month as the comment was sent ... Nice bro *_NOICE_*
I live in Reno, NV and grew up in a town near here. I graduated high school in June of this year. No matter what, the Donner Party was apart of my education and honestly, you sir did this historical event justice. I love your videos, please keep making badass videos! ❤
This video is tied for my favorite RUclips video about the Donner Party with on-location shots made by someone who grew up in Hawaii (the other one is Ask A Mortician’s)
Your videos are awesome! Most of the topics I feel like I already know about, but I always learn some new things. It's really the opposite of so many youtube videos where the smallest amout of info is stretched into a 10 minute video. Keep up the great work!
Your videos are amazing! The way you present information and add 'footnotes' makes following along very easy to do.
Dear god you aged rapidly over the last 2 months of video content, wtf!
Did he start using blue rinse?
bashpr0mpt he’s a wizard....
Is he really grey or is it a joke
@@andrewross7256 he's in vogue ...vogue...vogue....
VOGUE!! 😀👏👏👏👏
Because of the color episode(?)
Just subscribed to you and I haven't even seen any of your videos yet; Ive saved two for watching later after I get home from work tonight. The topics you seem to cover are very interesting and I look forward to exploring them more!
You captivated my attention for the entire video. New sub, and glad I found your videos.
You must have killed a man for that name
“If anyone tries to cut your trip down by 500 miles, remember, u could turn into a cannibal”
American Experience's "The Donner Party" is probably the best documentary I've seen on this subject. All photos, modern video footage of the trail and voiceovers, but it's really haunting and gives you a good idea of the despair and hardship the settlers went through. The music is excellent as well.
The real question is why didn't they attempt to finish the trail, rather then wait it out? Perhaps I'm the fool, but waiting till you starve and turn Cannibal is clearly the wrong decision to me, maybe send someone who is good with trails out and have them look for help? I mean a football team in the arguable harsher south American mountains did it in like the 70's yet they couldn't? (to lazy to look up the mountain range)
Your comment is making the mistake with hindsight. You do not know how long the snow was going to last. Being caught on the trail during a blizzard would have killed them all. You're question implies cannibalism was part of a plan. The decisions made were very reasonable at the time. Then events kept getting worse. After the first few nights the trail would have been impassible. They stayed because they had no choice, there only hope was to ride it out, hoping that the snow would stop and they can plan from there. However the snow did not stop. Then the food runs out. Now the party is the harsh reality of survival. The two mistakes that damned the party were leaving Liberty Rock sight two weeks late, and trusting the charlatan's trail guide. These two together lead the party to their doom.
Actually, they did try to summit the mountain a few times, but the depths of the snow made it impossible. It was a freak year for snow drifts - there's a good chance they might have made it across the mountains had the snowfall/weather been normal.
“The take of the Mormons is...dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.”
I died
Is there a "doctors hate him!" joke but with the Oregon Trail Guide?
Eric Weng "Hairstylists HATE him! Local RUclipsr reveals HIDDEN TRICK to turn hair grey! Find out how!"
7:32 very nice touch with the South Park sound bite. I enjoyed it thoroughly. Lol.
Love your channel and videos. Keep it up. Good information with beautifully executed sarcasm and humor. Thank you
I was eating a ham sandwich the whole time I was watching this. It was made less pleasant by the subject matter haha.
Eggo Slayer sweet pork
I was more put off by the booger hanging in his nose for the first couple minutes of the video...
Apparently pork tastes alot like human
+yuuswho
internet?...
Xyzzy i
Well, it is legal to eat human if you don’t obtain it.. illegally. If someone offers you some of their flesh to eat you can legally accept.
When I subscribed to you a couple of months ago I hesitated to press the button. But I have to say that this gets better and better. And I am happy that I subscribed.
wow that war in Afghanistan bit really aged recently huh
Loved this video! Super interesting and no fluff. How are you not blowing up? Can't wait to see what else you make
I really appreciate you saying that... I must say that hitting the front of r/videos yesterday is a good sign towards the "blowing up" bit. I've been at this for over a year so you're free to see what else I've made :)
8:34 Commenting from August 2021 and idk if this joke hasn't aged well or it if aged perfectly?...
Knowing Better, I have watched 7 of your vids so far. Not a single one of them deserves any complaints. Well done and FULL of FACTS. I very much enjoy watching. You get a sub. Dude, you are so together mentally, I would sell you a wolfdog any day.
I live in Oregon and this is one of my favorite videos, thanks for making this.
I stumbled on your channel today and have been binging like a mo fo. Excellent content and presentation!
"The tale of the Mormons is... (Nope nope nope nope nope nope!) interesting and probably deserves a video itself."
LOL! 😂
1337w0n it’s dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
If you wanna know why they took the rocky path rather than the grassy one is because the wagons with their wooded wheels tend to get stuck in the mud
"..snow drifts 60 feet high" that sounds deliriously high. I found sources that said the deepest the snow got in Donner Pass that winter was around 25 feet but was in most places closer to 10 feet.
Snow fall doesn't equal drift height. When I lived in AK, 1-2 ft of snow could easily come up to your windows or even your eaves after a windy storm.
You do understand that "just" 10 feet is still more than four feet above the average human head at the time.
You must be from a warm climate. Snow drifts happen when snow blows against a surface and are often much taller than the surrounding area. I am from Minnesota and it’s not unheard of to have 3 feet of snow but a snow drift as tall as a one story building.
Yeah, I'm calling that a Pecos Bill story.
Your ferret looked so happy and i got the warm fuzzies of "Awww" but also "Omg be careful they could drown don't let them drown!" As well.
What blew my mind was when I learned that the Pony Express only really existed for 1 year.
The Donner Party chose the wrong reindeer to lead them. If they had been the Blitzen Party, they would have zipped across the West like lightning and never gotten stuck in the Sierra Nevada and forced to eat each other.
To be fair, the trip by boat is thousands of miles, and by land you cut that much shorter already, and maps were much less common so people just had ideas about distances and geography. so the claim that hundreds of miles could still be saved wouldn't seem outlandish to many
3:23
Wow bro you did it
with a car, safe drinking water, AND GPS!
the bravery of you
5:47 When someone says heck on your christian minecraft server
I like that you went outside and on location for this video. You're an excellent host. You should have your own cable show :-)
I hope you're really fair to the Mormons and do the same level of investigation/research we've come to appreciate from your channel (a la Christoforo Colombo)
@bbonner422 Having read several chunks of the New Testament in the original Greek, I found that the KJV was the translation most faithful to the original text. I can't say how good the Hebrew translation is, as I don't know Hebrew. The KJV is widely misunderstood because the language is archaic. If you understand Early Modern English well, it's a great translation, hghly poetic, and one of the greatest works in the English language.
Just found your channel and damn, your quality is top notch. Keep up the good work man, you earned a sub!
Hair surprised me! Love the video on Wednesday, nice midweek treat! :)
I'm very glad I stumbled across your channel. Appreciate the good content you put up! Subscribed!! PS Love the silver hair!!
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If i remember correctly sutter's mill isn't a town as you spoke of it its just a saw mill owned by John Sutter who also Owned a fort near the Sacremento it's where they took the donner party survivors. So you dont find Gold In sutte'r mill so much as near sutters mill. Today its in Coloma which i guess was named a year later. It's fairly close to Mariposa. the Locals are nicer then how fallout might portray them.
No strident, hysterical delivery? Subject researched?? Entertaining AND educational??? WTF is wrong with you??!! Subscribed.
Can you do a video on the mountain meadows massacre? One of the weirdest and most messed up stories I've read from out west.(and fairly related to this video)
I had never heard of this, but after looking it up it is kind of hilarious and almost too good not to make a video about. There are a number of incidents like this in the old west and I'm sure I could find a way to compile them all and talk about them. Thanks for the suggestion!
Knowing Better, wait, what? Did you just say that the Mountain Meadows Massacre was hilarious? Maybe I don't get the joke.
I think he means because it was essentially a comedy of errors, with a group of people who had had horrible things done to them wanting to take it out on other people who were being jerks but being explicitly told not to by their leaders but not getting word until after they'd done it, so they were sitting there with a bunch of dead people going "whoops..."
Virginia Hansen maybe. Still not funny though.
David Lemon It's essentially dark comedy. There are some deaths that are not supposed to happen but they happen anyway because of the stupidity surrounding it and while it is sad that lives are lost, over time your sympathy for it gradually decreases because you remember how ridiculous the events that led up to it, so it slowly became funny in a twisted way. Almost like if a horror movie where people die done wrong, it became too comical to take seriously.
one of my ancestors was on the mormon trail, their party didn’t eat each other but they did set out late and apparently people froze to death and multiple ppl were in one grave bc so many people died and they had to keep moving
Your analysis of us history and it being talked a lot more even though it is only a small fraction of its history is very good. I have the same conviction about the US civil war. Look at people describing troop movements and intentions about individual commanders, luitenants or generals.
That intro was brutally hilarious. I laughed my ass off :)
What's with the grey hair
He's in the middle of doing a video about the punk BDSM gay scene... and well... there you have it.
He's goin ghost
It's for the visual issues video.
Please make a video about the Mormons. It would be awesome. The handcart trail that you mentioned was an interesting note in this history. Mormons gave european converts interest free loans in order to travel to Utah. They called it the "perpetual immigration fund". But they didn't give enough to afford the trip by rail. Hence, the handcarts.
0:05 That one joke earned my sub.
Just discovered the channel this past week and love. FYI - My Uncle's 2nd wife claimed to be a descendant of one of the Donner survivors.
Hmmmm.... this Donner Party explanation seemed a little oversimplified but maybe that's because I listened to a 3 hour and 15 min podcast on it from Last Podcast On The Left. The cannibalism definitely wasn't as straight forward as you made it sound here, though
I mean, he had to fit it into a 9 minute video, so the oversimplification makes sense imo.
I paused this often because I simply couldn't keep up with all of the facts you were packing in there, buddy. Good show.
War in Afghanistan lasted 2001-2021 so around the same as Oregon trail so sorta strange to think?
Sports teams are often named for things that happened hundreds of years ago. The San Diego Padres baseball team gets there name from the Franciscan friars that helped establish San Diego in 1769. The Texas Rangers Law Enforcement Division was established in 1823. Nearly 150 years later, a Major League Baseball team in the Dallas-Fort Worth region would be named for it.
Are you coloring your hair?
or is it the stress of witnessing peoples idiocy, and having to spell everything out, forcing you to age at an accelerated rate...🤔
Now we only need to wait for the obligatory "That is NOT possible you FUCKING idiot!"
That is *NOT* possible you *FUCKING* idiot!
That really is NOT possible, you FUCKING idiot. 👍
Lol that's not how aging works fuckkjigng idiot
IQ increased to 900
On July 31, 1858 gold was discovered in Little Dry Creek near the confluence to the South Platte River, in what is now Englewood, Colorado. The Santa Fe trail would have been the route to those digs.
One thing I have to say to you is ranching is still big business therefore there are still Cowboys and some of them even use helicopters nowadays
Thank you! I'm from 4 generations of ranchers and it literally says on my dad's paycheck "cowboy". Definitely still a thing, albeit a rarity in today's world. By the way, the "factory farming" methods are typically just used for the last few weeks of life to make processing/shipping/moving easier, faster, and more humane. A majority of cattle are raised free range (at least here in Arizona).
The little ferret is SO CUTE!
I have now viewed just about all of your videos, and enjoyed them immensely. I'm baffled that you only have 6k subscribers!
I just love your videos. They make me think and laugh. Proud Oregonian here btw
"The actual profession of cowboy only lasted 14 years..."
You need to replace "profession of cowboy" with "long cattle drives".
Think Hollywood Cowboy would be better.
"Dressing like a cowboy like it's Halloween year-round"
Is where I beg to differ.
It isn't necessarily because we want to copy the style that was "only around for 14 years",
The whole "cowboy" style, culture and lifestyle has persisted to the modern era and some of us continue to dress in this manner since it's the norm- it's what we grew up seeing on a daily basis.
I do not know how prevalent it is in other states, but in Arizona, New Mexico and Texas, it's really not out of the question to have people in jeans, boots, button ups and the occasional sombrero / stetson.
Although the style is becoming less popular due to the rise of urbanization, it shouldn't be called a "costume".
Human beings staving to death and eating their own/digging up bodies?.... Meh, it's not that bad.
Booger hanging from dude's nose for the first minutes of the video?.... *SOMEONE CALL THE MILITARY AND THE CDC!!*
Shit, wtf, I can't pay attention to him now.
I just called, they're on their way.
It was James reed, the original party leader, who made the decision to take the “short cut.” Other than that little mistake, excellent vid!
"The actual profession of cowboy only lasted 14 years..."
How are you defining the "profession of cowboy"? It literally just refers to a "boy" who herds cattle.
Cowboys never existed though
@Hiro Takkan True, I guess the cowboy we all know and love never existed. You know, the revolver wielding hero chasing bandits with the fancy hat and boots, jeans, etc. Even the music we associate with cowboys, it's rock music, they didn't have that back then, or that rag time piano music we think they had in saloons, that didn't exist until the early 1900s. All that's probably real is the fact there were Native Americans, and that they were on horses in unpopulated, unspoiled areas of the Mid West. Even the cowboy hats weren't as cool and fancy as we think, they were just plain hats to block the sun.
@@ReddoFreddo What you're describing are criminal gunslingers/gangsters. They did exist in he early to mid 1800's, but were never referred to as "cowboys".
@Hiro Takkan how do you explain the cowboy culture in places like Montana or Wyoming then? They were never part of Mexico
The definition of 'cowboy' makes me wonder too. If it means escorting large herds of cattle from one place to another on the way to market, perhaps. But cattle ranches exist to this day, and the traditional skills of cutting and roping are still as important as they ever were.
“When they spelled Christmas like this”
Wait, are you saying the original name was a descriptive “Cheery Mass”!?
I AM A LEVEL 50 WAGON MASTER. BOW DOWN TO ME
Zeam Garcia that’s how mafia works
Thank you for linking to Patrick Breen’s diary, this was very informative. While reading this primary source, however, I found that there was no mention of cannibalism until late February, and that the travelers still had (meager) meat and hides long past Christmas. So according to this primary source, it seems that there was no “drawing straws” on Christmas Eve to determine who to eat first. It’s still a neat story though, even if it’s inaccurate.
Might I recommend:
Ordeal by Hunger: The Story of the Donner Party
by George R. Stewart
this book tells the complete story , far more complex than this explanation , read it if you want to hear a fantastic story
“Fuck man this map took us to Florida”
Every video I see you in, you look older.
Pretty sure that's how time works.
The chanell of Dorian Grey?
Dorian Grey's portrait maybe. Dorian Grey himself didn't appear to age.
Ummm, the actual profession of "Cowboy" is still around today. What I think you are referring to is the cattle drives, those lasted less than 20 years due to the rail road. But Professional Cowboys have been in existence for centuries and still are today.
They still have cowboys....
2:25 Fun note: these boats were used to reclaim land for San Francisco, by sinking the ships and burying them under dirt and junk. If you dig under north San Francisco, you'll find a bunch of old ships.
This land reclamation was highly profitable, and people would buy tracts of water in the bay with the intention to fill it.
Wagon master= UBER 1840
I really love your videos! Funny and intelligent in a mix! Love it! :-)
omg he's drowning that ferret
Or sunt??
7:35 at DUM DUM DUM DUM DUM I lost it :D your way of presentation is great
There, now we know how long the war in afghanistan lasted
My hometown was founded as an outpost on the Oregon Trailer and historians tracked the Oregon Trails path through the town about 20 miles away you can see ruts where the wagon wheels were and not only did the Oregon Trail go through my town it went through my school. I grew up having recess on the Oregon trail my history teacher taught us about the Oregon Trail literary right on top of it
Poor Dolan Dark
sad
I bet Grandayy made them draw the sticks
That's what he gets for stealing memes
I'm from Utah and almost all of my ancestors came across by wagon, by handcart or by train. My mother's ancestors came by wagon and handcart and my dad's came later after the transcontinental railroad was completed.
As for the handcarts, you neglected to touch upon the Willie and Martin Handcart Company. They started out too late in the summer of 1856 and got caught in early October snowstorms in Wyoming. Before they were rescued later in the month, over 200 members from the companies died from starvation and cold.
What happened to your hair?
I wonder if people were more likely to die on the 7 month boat trip or the the Oregon Trail.
A popular song from 1849 "Fools of Forty-Nine" has the lyric: "The people died on every route / They sickened and died like sheep / And those at sea before were dead / were launched into the deep / and those who died a-crossing the plains / fared not as well as that / for a hole was dug and they was dumped / along the terrible Platte"
You can't trespass on someone's land if the people living there don't believe in land ownership (insert that one meme picture here).
samiamtheman 73 You can take from their hunting grounds and your animals can eat their vegetation, causing starvation, the latter being what really made the Natives angry during the Black Hills gold rush, and that is a form of trespass, as in commit a trespass against, in literary or Biblical terms. Wrongdoing, transgression, offense are synonyms. Intrusion, encroachment are legal synonyms. You can most certainly trespass on a reservation or land set aside by treaty even if those within the land do not believe in land ownership. You can also trespass on rented land, that is not owned by the tenant who calls the cops on you. Belief system is not what determines trespass. You could believe the moon is made of green cheese and it would be immaterial to the case that someone is moving in on land that your family has used and maintained for generations, which according to the settlers' own understanding of the law, made it yours. So according to the settlers' own definition, they were trespassing on Native land.
oh is that why they murdered religious pilgrims who had no means of defense, left the male children to die, and took the female children as slaves?
yeah totally justifiable.
@Pink Topaz Whataboutism? What all our ancestors did was horrible the world was somehow worse than today. The world is different today.
Pink Topaz So because someone's ancestir did something their descendants can be punished? Welcome to the oppression olympics folks!
@Vilop 21 makes so much sense naow
It's funny, I grew up in that area and I learned about that stuff in grade school. And I still remember playing the Oregon Trail game so much in the computer lab that I basically never lost. We even watched the documentary in about 4th grade.
Yeah...it's not the best place to grow up.