I say this at the end of the video, but for those who are already commenting: Many of the arguments I use here are the same ones used to attack Columbus; and many of the defenses used for Gandhi are dismissed when talking about Columbus. These two videos are a pair, designed to get you thinking about historical good guys and bad guys and how we fictionalize them both.
I have a poster of Gandhi up on the wall in my classroom. Now I will be taking it down. I mean, it's not like I did not know Gandhi was racist or did extremely inappropriate things, but goodness I just realized I need to stop singling out individuals as if they need to be glorified. I need to have posters that glorify ideas/ideals, not people.
He was quite ahead of his time. It's not like he invented racism, and he did manage to unlearn his views evidenced from him taking up the cause of untouchability (leaps ahead of his time). He's definitely a better role model than other powerful men* of his time -- most of them tyrants. But you're right; we're not in that time anymore so let's bring out the new posters. I recommend Peter Singer. Ninja Edit: typo in my excuse
Read my comment to this "Knowing Better" fellow pinned above. The whole Racism charge against Gandhi for using the word "Kaffir" has been cooked up by the blacks. The truth about what the blacks and whites did to Indians over the last 300+ years will start coming out soon. This constant negative propaganda against Indians needs to end.
If you have any of Churchill you might want to take them down too, guy instituted a man made famine. Kind of lumps him in that rare famine club along with such illustrious individuals as Mao Zedong and Stalin.
@BARBATVS 89 Your problem is that you are taking the words too literally. When I say Bose liberated India, I do not mean he came charging and drove them out. I mean he acted as a catalyst. None other than the British themselves admit it in their letters that have been reproduced in the book I mentioned.
@iqbal sahibil A lot of people hated gay people due to not understanding what gay people are Most gay people grew up being homophobic until they admitted they were gay so. So, I don't agree that racism and homophobia should be compared. People hate black people because they hate them. People hate gay people because they believe it was a choice. Which it is not.
@@AownAli-xi8jq Because he helped India fuxk up the brits and motivated them (he wasn't the main reason I know but he was a big motivation) and brits colonized Canada and I don't think anybody likes being colonized.
@@SaraH-jn5db Not really, you gotta think of historical figures in the context that they lived in. Getting people to convert to Christianity was more important than healing them, because treating their spiritual ills was more important than treating their physical ills. If your view is that the soul last for eternity but the flesh lasts temporarily, and you have limited resources - then you yourself would try and tie these together; let me treat your spiritual woes and I'll treat your physical woes. She wasn't vile, she was just operating under a different moral preset than modern people.
Well you'll be surprised to see how many Indians, themselves, hate Gandhi. I'm Indian but born in England, and Gandhi was portrayed to me as this god-figure, the perfect human being. I went to India during my secondary education, and i always thought the last thing you should do here is speak negatively about the Father of the Nation, Gandhi. But surprisingly, when i questioned my friends about him, they all said they hated him! This was schocking to me. But it's true, Gandhi was not only creepy in his personal life (being racist against blacks, sleeping with teenagers), but he also halted India's independence, and his, and Nehru's role in the partition was terrible.
@BARBATVS 89 According to science, humans are considered as adults when their brain has fully developed which is 25 years old. Puberty is only the first step to adulthood.
BARBATVS 89 I was only correcting what you said. In science, puberty is not considered as adult yet. 25 years old is just the average age for people to fully grown their brain.
BARBATVS 89 Not really, I was adding the third sentence and you didn’t ask any question so how would I know you’re asking a question. And I wasn’t even saying what I personally believe or not believe. As I said, when you said according to science that humans are considered adults when they reach puberty, I corrected you. Nothing more nothing less.
Even I as a Pakistani didn't know he did this crap.our leader jinnah is portrayed as some new age borderline prophet but the dude drank alcohol owned dogs ,wore western clothes and couldn't even speak Urdu.admittedly he wasn't completely bag suit crazy like Gandhi.
He was most likely a freemasonic agent for the British. Just look at what’s happened to India (yes it probably wasn’t entirely him, but he was a key part). Of course the greatest manipulators don’t need violence. They’re more sinister and cunning than that.
I think he deserves all the dislikes one can get, but looking at the comment section it seems like he has been teaching to the choir. This video was trash and a literal abuse to Mahatma Gandhi's legacy.
@@CEO_Of_Racism-fk3qv It is Gandhi, not ghandhi. Plus, he achieved 100x times whatever anyone on this comment section did or would ever achieve. If you don't actually study history then please shut the fuck up.
@@ishanbajpai6940 actually u should learn history more than those learned from school. Wht u learned from school r pure shit... Do some research and then bark. Against others...just congress made him look better
In late May 2020, this information is incredibly relevant to the people who claim that Gandhi’s protests were non-violent and he was successful. It puts him and his movement into a new perspective. Thank you for making this video.
OMG what a genius with words you are NOT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA His joke was better then your comeback man. What's your problem anyway? Edit: Fixed after @kiwii was kind enough to point out mistakes
Every historical character should be evaluated in their original historical context. This aplies to Gandhi and Columbus. This point was kind of made in the video, but wanted to make it clear.
But you’re assuming everyone was like that. In the future more advanced people will probably look back and think overall that most of us were whiny, violent, twisted and backwards too. In reality, that’s just too many people that gain a lot of publicity and support as this is a cold world. Often the better you are, the more of a minority you are.
He said Ghandi spoke modern English so there isn't much room for interpretation. I do understand what you mean about historical context for a frame of reference.
@@Elite7555 Very true, if you are gonna make someone a hero or a role model, then you have to test him against modern morals. Which is not the same as demonising them, obviously.
@@SunnySide388 Really? You do know that he was active in the free India movement during the interwar period. Also, he had been championing Indian rights in the empire since before the late 1800s in South Africa and India, his work even reached the eye of the folks in the UK themselves. Also, if it hadn't been popular support for Indian independence that he helped formed, India will not gain independence in 1947. Yes, it is a shared effort, but if he had no influence, why is he well-regarded by the nation not only after independence, but during WW2 and before? And why is he the face of Indian independence from that same time period?
@@alexanderchristopher6237 oh God. India owes its independence largely to Subash Chandra Bose. And he never got credit for it because he disagreed with Gandhi's views on politics. I believe India would have gained independence a long long time ago if it had not been for Gandhi and his willingness to cooperate with the British. He definitely had influence, but is absolutely overrated.
No, the Indians held very little power in comparison to the the powers which were fighting the war for the cause, so if they didn't fight for the British other powers might had invaded them.
No lie, I was watching this video as I walked into my apartment building, and the guy in front of me recognized your voice and said "hey, I know that guy. Knowing better?" And I replied with "yeah, I just found his channel today!" And we exchanged a high five. :)
"All of his pent up... power." 🤣 I just started watching your videos and I can't get enough. So informative, comical and fundamentally memorable. Thank you so much for everything you post for us, your viewers!
Regarding Gandhi's racism vs. Columbus' racism: Our modern concept of race wasn't nearly as 'developed' in Europe during the Renaissance. I believe it was well into the colonial period, when countries relied more heavily on black African slave labor, that people saw race as more "important". I'd argue that western society was more racist in the year 1900 than it was in the year 1500.
@@Jake007123 Kinda? It was weird. At the very least, slavery was a very different concept during the Classical Period. There wasn't nearly as muhc of a racial connotation when it came to slavery or forced servitude as there was back then.
I'm Indian and I have been binge-watching your content over the last couple of days. I like your channel. About Gandhi: Your fear of a billion dislikes is unfounded. There is size-able and growing rabid anti-Gandhi sentiment in India (Especially the younger generation and the current establishment). But not for reasons you might think. He is perceived as having acquiesced to Muslim demands for a separate homeland without putting forth strong resistance. And I can't say that that perception is baseless. (In fact, that was the reason for his assassination at the hands of a fellow-Hindu)
Yes, I totally agree. An additional point would be his notorious Poona pact in which he forced Dr B R Ambedkar to not take the communal awards for dalits
Sai J, very true. The younger generation of india understands and can sort out its own priorities. Gandhism forces us to act like cripples although we r not and undergo 'sanyas' although we don't want to. Thats why there is opposition otherwise who don't want peace ? Bloody gandhians like nehru hv supressed the expanse of our national honour by limiting india into an anti martial and all tolerant state. How countries like pak and bdesh and china dare to try offend india now ? Its bcoz of us sticking to the gandhian ideology and not trying to deviate from it. Extreme violence or extreme tolerance is not an option for india and it never was.
Sai J All agreed! But somewhere, we fail to realise that inspite of all his flaws and mistakes, the people of India got something that kept them united. Even if it was a tainted person like Gandhi, he was the binding force of the millions of oppressed people of India which lead to our independence. We can speak and debate as much as we want regarding his misdoings and perverted views, but all we will be doing is giving one less reason for our people to unite as a whole.
@@akashekhar arya just means people with high morals, great scientific knowledge, and who are in the path of truth aka dharma. Bharatvarsh called aryavarta because of that. Arya isn't any race as told by false western historians.
He says the Aryans he's talking about are also known as the Indo-Europeans. We now know these people as the Yamaya. These people spoke the common ancestor language of English, Hindi, Latin, Greek, Persian, Russian, Gaelic etc. (known as Proto-Indo-European). Around 1900, people thought that this also meant people from Ireland to (northern) India were largely descended from these people. With modern genetics, we now know that the Yamnaya account for about 10% of our DNA.
The younger generation in India increasingly identifies with nationalists like Subhas Chandra Bose and great economists and social reformers like Dr. B R Ambedkar, who was once a student at Columbia University.
WRONG!! They identify with mass murderer and human rights abuser narinder modi, who is hindu extremist and nazi sympathizer Please stop spreading lies.
Subhas Chandra Bose was also flawed, he actually allied with Nazi troops against the British rule. Moral is to not idolize anybody and be your own person.
Dude you do not get enough views. Tremendous editing, calm voice, relaxing background music that isnt too high, and insane attention to detail. You also explain everything so well. I wish I had you as a history teacher in school
Your comment about how ‘starting an independence movement during wartime is ridiculous’ makes sense out of context but it’s important to note that the British declared martial law in the Raj on the 29th of September 1939 and stripped all power away from the elected provincial governments to give power back to the British government in India. This was justified as a necessary measure to ensure the colony contributed the maximum amount to the war effort, however this did not sit well with the people. The British government’s detached way of running the nation led to famines in the past, and many other problems, and their mismanagement of food supplies would be a major factor in how devastating the Japanese invasion of Burma was to the Bengal region. Also, you said the British promised independence during the war and that was just a lie. They did send the Cripps mission in which a representative (Stafford Cripps) gave vague promises of future dominion status, but that was all, and this was really only to appease the Americans who were anti imperialism. To Indian officials in the 1940’s, fighting a war against fascists to uphold the dominance of the imperialists simply wasn’t justifiable. That was the reason for Quit India, and I will add that Quit India was not led by Gandhi or the Congress. It was so massive in scale that it was pretty much just led by whoever was around at a particular protest. It grew out of the control of Gandhi’s political group. The final decision to leave India was also only taken because the British literally couldn’t afford to pay the people they needed to run the country after being bankrupt by the war. Also, most of what you said about the All-India Muslim League wasn’t really that accurate and could definitely mislead some people.
True man . Also , some points didn't make sense to me. Historically, form what I know, aren't untouchables basically a part of shudras ?The ones who cleaned and stuff. That's why they were "untouchables" because they were too "dirty" to touch or socialise
Great video! One thing I found especially interesting is the fact that 'Kaffir' was apparently an Indian slur for black people. In Afrikaans (That Dutch daughter language in South Africa) the most common racial slur for black people is (or was) "Kaffer", which also found its way to The Netherlands, where some have used the word "Kaffer" as the closest thing to "the N-word" in Dutch. Never knew that word had its origins in the Indian communities of South Africa. Edit: forgot to add, the word is also used as a non-racial insult in some regions. I didn't originally explain this because I didn't think of it as relevant.
Ghipoli, This kind of media propaganda is nothing short of a criminal behavior and needs to be addressed. These videos are being made to pull in Indians to these videos and increase the number of hits. We have taken this up with Google to see how they are allowing such videos to monetize on such blatantly wrong propaganda. I have written a rebuttal to this moron to his pinned comment above. Its time to expose the reality of how Indians were treated by both Blacks and Whites. Read my comment above addressed to "Knowing Better" who ironically doesn't know any better.
@@rohittantia4020 All he said was very true. But we should never forget that he had a lot of positive sides too. Instead of either idolizing Mahatma Gandhi or throwing him in a ditch, keep him just as other freedom fighters...
Thank you for this video. I used to idolize Gandhi. My first introduction to him was through Richard Attenborough's 1982 film "Gandhi" which completed sanitized Gandhi and made him appear to be a saint. It made it seem as if he stood for civil rights for all and was always kind and considerate. In recent years I found out that was not true. He truly was racist and was also manipulative and arrogant. I can still admire him for pushing for non-violent solutions but I no longer consider him a role model.
I have long ago came to the conclusion that there is no such thing as a Good Guy and a Bad Guy...just people that are generally better or worse than others. All the heroes have an alterior motive, and all the villains have honest motivations. So we can't ever catagorize anyone as being one or the other, but we can judge for ourselves whether we are willing to love them for their qualities or hate them for their flaws.
I was watching a video on the origin of Civilization's nuke-happy version of Gandhi. There was a comment war on whether Gandhi was a racist pervert or a saintly man. There was a lot of rage. I think someone called someone else a heretic over this.
it's youtube comments, what do you expect? In fact, if "heretic" is the worst thing someone said to someone else then that comment section is one of the nicest political debate comment sections on this website.
This channel is amazing! I always thought I was at the very least semi-educated but here I am learning a metric fuck ton of new information in just a day of learning of this channels existence.
The worst bit about the "Aryan Brotherhood" thing is that it's actually half-right, since English and Hindi are both Indo-European languages. However this doesn't work on a more general racial level (because race as an idea is a crock of shit), and doesn't work for all Indians (because southern Indians such as Tamils and Malayalees are Dravidian-speakers, and there are loads of non-Indo-European speakers in the north-east).
I agree with this video but it does have one flaw . And that’s you can’t be racist against Muslims because Muslim isn’t a race idk how you can put that against him, he was just being critical of Islam
There's also a super complex perception of Gandhi in India. There's a faction of centrist-ish liberals who view him pretty highly and might defend/disregard valid criticism. Then, there's the right wing that hates him - not because of the valid criticism, but because of his affiliation with the Nehru family and his centrist-liberal political stance. And finally, there's the faction I agree with, which strongly dislikes him for all the critique, especially his stance on the caste system and the role of liberal caste-privileged Hindus in the continuation of the caste system in direct and indirect ways. Personally, I'd much rather see a pan-national lauding of figures like Dr. B R Ambedkar, rather than just Gandhi and other caste Hindus actively interested in perpetuating caste.
As a citizen of India, I fully endorse what was said in this video, Gandhi was a shrewd man who only brought disaster whereever he went. We can all see the current state of Africa, that was only because people failed to criticize his viewpoints there but India is recovering for the nationalist didn't buy into his false ideals of non-violence which led to the death of millions of Dharmic people and resorted to just violence or else our current state would have been despicable.
14:45 The George Washington and the cherry tree business is not a complete lie. As we see in the final episode of Ben 10 Omniverse, the cherry tree was an analogy for Vilgax's spaceship, so it has basis in truth.
I haven't even watched it yet, but thank you! I'm tired of being the only jackass in the room willing to say that Ghandi was a creepy dude. Now I have somewhere to send people who argue with me.
As an Indian i already know some of this..he was never my idol (not for a lot of Indians actually) I was rather surprised that he is famous outside of India. We all know he did almost nothing for freedom from Britain...he was just a bit smarter and educated than most people back then and played his game well
Well, Gandhi did a lot but he was a politician more than anything. The stabilisation of India also depended on him and other intellectuals. Independence could have been delayed even longer, the country could have been fractured and India could have become much more nationalistic.
Bro the intro to this video really stuck with me and it's so true. We believe we're so 3d but take everyone else at face value disregarding all reason so we can place them into the box we want to fit them into
As an Indian we are taught in school to consider Gandhi as our idol and he is almost SOLELY credited for India’s independence. Although we learn about non-Gandhi lead movements, they were “violent” and hence were not taught with half the importance given to that man’s “non-violent” movements. Yes it’s true the father of our nation was helped in achieving independence but they should also teach and show the dark side of him, thus making him more human, because he is described as nearly a saint in Indian history textbooks. Time for other Indian freedom fighters to take the podium. Thank you for this video!
While one might find his statements on Muslims racist-ish, I was surprised by your surprise at the fact that he wrote those things in a “pre 9/11” world “before the first suicide bombing,” that’s an agonisingly America centric view of an Indian figure. Muslims have lived here much before even Colombus’s voyage to America. There is no doubt that compared to the Indian religions, Islam is more aggressive and warlike. I’d like to clarify I’m talking about the values and doctrines, not individual Muslims. In that context, and the fact that the Muslim elite of that time had started to view themselves as closer to the Arabs, Persians or Turks because of the so-called ‘common Islamic connection’ being stronger than centuries of being part of Indian civilisation, his comments are not racist but criticism of a religion and the views held by the religious elite-as is acceptable in any modern society…I hope. The man was literally assassinated for being too pro-Muslim. He held prayer meetings where gods of all religions were prayed to, but that can only work so well when one religion recognises many gods and the other believes their god is The Only True God. So that went as well for Hindu-Muslim unity as you’d think.
The religious Indian "Caliphate Movement" DID NOT want a separation, they were for unification. But, they collapsed and gave way to the All India Muslim League, which was secular and for separation (ironically) and for the creation of Pakistan.
@@psi9899 this guy made the same video as "you don't see in 4k" his channel is based on talking trash while sounding really smart. He does research equivalent to a 4th grader searching for how to overclock a GPU. His content is trash.
Gandhi is human as we all are, he was born into a super rich minister family but he became something else and he had his ups and downs both as a person and as a politician or leader.. All our leaders across the world are presented towards us as polished good deed generators but thats not true. Just good examples.. And i have to admit this video has some truth to it but be wise not to completely ignore the greatness of Gandhi. Nobody is born great not even the gods
Sleeping with underage girls, bathing with them .... Yeah that's human isn't it? Forbidding his ailing wife to use penicillin as treatment, causing her death, and then using penicillin himself when he was sick, yeah of course that's so human. Leaving his father's funeral to have fornicate with his wife, yeah, of course that's normal and human. Gandhi was a sick man, who disguised himself as a simple beautiful person. Period.
My first game of Civ. 6, I was going for a religous victory (as Saladin), India spammed apostles, I did the next best thing and went crusading, needless to say, I didn't have friends afterwards.
I just wanted to say, I appreciate the nonpartisan view of history you offer on your channel. I haven’t seen a lot of history teachers who are successful in keeping their opinions out of their retellings of history, so I appreciate that you aren’t intentionally villainizing or elevating any historical figures 😅
These videos make me want to look my self in a room on my off and listen to how my history classes in school should have been taught, it's unbiased and factual and makes me see things in a better light . Keep up the good work!!!
Che Guevara was an overrated one hit wonder. Helped overthrow Batista in Cuba, and it was downhill from there. Tried to help overthrow several other governments and failed. He was a smart and photogenic pretty boy who took a great pic that made the girls wet their panties. I believed his so called buddy Fidel sold him out in Bolivia, after Che mouthed off about the Russians.
Shubham Bhushan In addition to suppressing free speech and executing hundreds of people without trial during the Cuban Revolution, and that's not to mention the hard-on he got for nuclear weapons. Che Guevara was trash.
16:57 Not me, I like my history to be nuanced and multilayered. Through some research of my own, I had doubts that Mohandas Gandhi was as good as many people think.
He is Clueless and Biased about Gandhi. Columbus pushed 10-11 years old girls into Sex Slavery, Killed & Enslaved 10000s, Wiped of Natives from their own Lands and Exploited their Resources. Black & Indian people are still facing Racism and inequality even after 500 years. You Underplay & Justify what Columbus did and expect us to believe that you care about Racism by Comparing a Mass-Murderer, Slave-Owner, tyrant with Gandhi??? World doesn't Respect Some 20 year old Boy but Mahatma Gandhi who fought against Oppression throughout his life, when Gandhi Reached Africa he was in his 20s. In India we don't have Black People, now Imagine being aware about Black Community and their Suffering in a world without TV, Radio, Internet or such Modern Inventions of Information. Gandhi and most Indian were clueless about Black People at that time, for them they were Tribals or just savages who lived in Jungles or just totally Clueless about their Existence. Gandhi Reached their and saw Black People with eyes of Whites who were ruling half of the world. Indians in Africa were Educated, Civilised and Wealthy compared to Oppressed & Enslaved Black People who were illiterate and Extremely Poor. Of Course they were not equal, not equal in a country where people were divided by Whites based on Racial characters. Gandhi's views on Black Community in his earlier years were Indeed Problematic, but he was neither a Slave Owner nor a Associate or advocate of people who Discriminated. You Expected him to fight for Indians as well as Black South Africans at the Same Time? You are Criticising him because he Fought for Rights of Brown Indians but didn't fight for 4 Centuries Old Institutionalised Discrimination? Sorry, a Person has some Limitations... But this Movement later Motivated and Inspired Black leaders or anyone who was Opreesed. Indian followers of Gandhi were marching Along Side Mandela when he was leading the movement in Africa. 'Harijan' do you even know what this word means? Did you even bother to Research? Untouchability was pretty much relevant 100 years ago, Untouchables were called with highly racists and insulting words; instead Gandhi started using 'Harijan' , which literally means People-Of-God. You talked about Untouchables and used a trimmed clip from Kee & Peele but you didn't talk about how he was Always Against Untouchability from the very first day. He was in support of Cast System in begining but over the years his views changed when he saw their suffering and inequality. He made a real change in life of millions of intouchables, he tought common Indians that they are just like them, you would know this if you actually Researched. You talked about his Vow of Celibacy, belief in power of Maintaining & Controlling Sexual Desire and sensationalised the whole thing. There are books of no nutting and people who claim that they Achieved Success & Greater Discipline by simply doing the same. Yes, his Sexual Experiments were weird af. "I learnt from Hussain how to achieve Victory while Opreesed" - Gandhi . You are Clueless about Gandhi, his Values, Politics & History of India. That 'Sacrifice' Quote was incomplete and that was said after only 16 Sikhs could reach Delhi Alive out of 1000 Sikhs who started Journey from Pakistani side of Punjab after Partition. Just google about Condition of Minorities in Pakistan in 21st century you Clueless immature man. Gandhi was a Secular leader , he always Criticised Radical Hindus and Muslims both, you can Cherry pick his Criticism of Radical islam and try to make him sound an Islamophobic. He advocated Brotherhood between Hindus & Muslims throughout his life and anyone who is aware about India know this very well. India was ruled by Muslims kings for more 6 Centuries and at least half of them were Pretty unfair with Native Hindus, also the endless Invasion and Loots over the Centuries. Radical Islamists still Kill & Behead people over Criticism of Islam, do you think it's fine? Hindus are better with this, we Criticise and Question our own Gods and Scriptures, even watch movies who Mocks our own Gods, you are Fcking Clueless about India or anything you are talking about. 'Communal Award' Advocated for Separate Electorate based on Castes and Religion; Sorry, that we didn't accepted Proposal of Further more Division of our Country by British. 'Freedom in the middle of War' Whose War Exactly ? it was certainly not India's War, Indians Sacrificed Themselves for British in two World Wars.You say "Political pressure of Imperial Rule was Built" after 200 years of Total Exploitation , Drainage of Wealth & Heritage, Division of India, and Torture & Murders of Millions of Indians..... Just White Colonial Stuff
It is in the habit of people to glorify those who liberated their country. In a sense this is what Gandhi did but without starting a war. I actually recall hearing this story in a book about the Gandhi movie where one of his followers wanted them to include the darker aspects of his nature simply to keep it from glorifying him because he preferred it that way. In a sense it is better to include these things because we need to remind people that you don't need to be a saint to do a great good or to help people. Incidentally I think the Indian/African racism went both ways. In Uganda at one point Idi Amin deported everyone of Indian descent from his country and seized their property - an act of genocide - which I believe had great support at the time in Uganda. It didn't help matters in the country but these things are not uncommon as we might believe.
Out of interest, who (if anyone) do you consider it to be? I'd put Nehru at the top of the list, but of course there were other important players such as Jinnah and even Cripps, though neither were Indians at their time of death.
The Pirate Persian India was always a hindhu nation, why else do everyone convert to Christianity and Islam in India to gain minority benefits. Cuz it's a hindhu majority country. And past Congress members weren't all bad it's just a few that ruined it's reputation. Lal bahadhur sastry was a Congress party member and we ain't bashing on him. It's just a few that screwed up big time just like other members of other parties. Why do you have to involve religion into this, us hindhus don't care about other religions as long as they stop converting our people. We are cool with sharing our space with everyone.
As an Indian, a few points on the video: Good: 1. Thanks for covering the "dark" bits of Gandhi. In our history books, he is portrayed as a saint who could do no wrong. His racist sentiments towards Africans is totally glossed over in India. 3. His weird fetishes are also never mentioned in our books 2. Gandhi was a transparent man. His writings are exhaustive and available freely online. 3. His role in our freedom movement is exaggerated due to whitewashing of our history books by the Congress Party (his old party) 4. His ideals for a modern India were antiquated and called for a return to the old Vedic ages. Bad: 1. He was soft towards Muslims. He was even killed by a Hindu extremist because of the same perceptions. His "criticism" of Islam was that it takes itself too seriously, which is not Islamophobia. In a modern society, nothing is above criticism,. 2. Muslim league was a minor player in Indian politics of the time. The two state theory was advocated by both Hindu and Muslim extremists and was seen as the best way to avoid a massive civil war. Even so, the partition of India was a brutal time, involving displacement of millions of people. 3. He never directly advocated violence. In 1921, he called off the Non-Cooperation movement precisely because people burned policemen for firing at them. His snake-oil of Satyagraha led to several thousand Hindus being killed by Moplas (muslims) in Kerala. 4. What is not mentioned in the video is that he was an incredibly populist figure throughout the India of 1930-1940s. This was why the Brits were cautious in dealing with him. His words could sway people regardless of religion. PS: If you want a billion dislikes, do a video critical on Narendra Modi, our current PM :P He is being propped up into a demi-god just like Gandhi was.
A Hindu Indian hating on Muslim Indians isn't racism because they're the exact same race. It's religion-based bigotry (I hate the term "Islamophobe" because it's far too ill-defined to be used in intellectual discourse).
Shuaib Ahmed Syed Gilani I'm not sure you understand what a 'race' is. Then again, the term 'race' is extremely ill-defined, so I'm not sure I understand it either. But I know enough to know that Indians are all the same race. There are many ethnicities and even a variety of skin tones, but they're all the same race. In fact, I'm pretty sure Indians and Europeans are the same race. Africa is the same way--the Koi-San people of South Africa, for example, are much lighter-skinned than the Bantus of east Africa, but they're also considered to be the same race.
As far as I know, there are three races in the world: African, Asian, and White. As I said, that's a bad definition for race, since it doesn't account for, what, 2 or 3 billion people? If you're using a different definition from the one most people think of that's fine, but maybe you should lead with that. That said, I still don't see what any of that has to do with the main point of my original comment. Hating someone because of their religion is not racist. Even if the two people are different races. Although in that case, racism could be a part of it.
@@gabrielfraser2109 that single thing keeps him in the grey area as well. In his mind he never wanted bad things for his people but all these don't justify or rationalize his actions.
after the 5year survey, I go back to watch a bunch of videos I missed (or ones that I didnt watch since I found you not *too* long ago) Old intro baby! that is what I wanted to say...
I’ve recently found your channel and I think it’s absolutely stellar. Do you think you would be interested in looking into MLK? I’ve seen other videos on him but I would like to see your input on the topic.
Yeah man,some of his points like "having independence movement during war" and saying stuff like he wanted all castes to be equal is bullshit. But hey, what do I know ? I am just a nationalist right? The only credible points are his experiments with his niece which should be criticised by all means . Also,are we seriously comparing colombus to Gandhi ? What next, my online raicst friend to Hitler?
I really dig your channel, it shocks me that it doesn't have more subs when so many of the topics are current and relevant :/ Do you have any help making them?
I do not, it's all me. I bounce ideas off of friends and other creators of course, but all the research, writing, filming, and editing is me. Which is why it's been taking a bit longer than usual to put out content. Occasionally I'll have a friend draw something for me (my channel art for example) but that's it.
I'm of the Christian race myself, sub-race Protestant of the family Calvinist. I find most youtubers and commenters to be extremely racist against my people.
Please add Chinese subtitles, the Chinese or pther East Asian audiences should expand their knowledge of modern India and Mahatama Ghandhi in particular.
I say this at the end of the video, but for those who are already commenting: Many of the arguments I use here are the same ones used to attack Columbus; and many of the defenses used for Gandhi are dismissed when talking about Columbus. These two videos are a pair, designed to get you thinking about historical good guys and bad guys and how we fictionalize them both.
Thanks paul, really makes me think.
Do you have any more sources regarding Gandhi's hate for muslims/Islamophobia?
Why is Gandhi wrong in his observations? Is it because you feel that he is wrong?
PS people can tell when you delete comments. You intellectual coward ahahaha
Genghis Khan would be a great topic for future videos
I have a poster of Gandhi up on the wall in my classroom. Now I will be taking it down. I mean, it's not like I did not know Gandhi was racist or did extremely inappropriate things, but goodness I just realized I need to stop singling out individuals as if they need to be glorified. I need to have posters that glorify ideas/ideals, not people.
He was quite ahead of his time. It's not like he invented racism, and he did manage to unlearn his views evidenced from him taking up the cause of untouchability (leaps ahead of his time). He's definitely a better role model than other powerful men* of his time -- most of them tyrants. But you're right; we're not in that time anymore so let's bring out the new posters. I recommend Peter Singer.
Ninja Edit: typo in my excuse
+Atul Sharma
You're completely ignoring his point because you're mad.
Read my comment to this "Knowing Better" fellow pinned above. The whole Racism charge against Gandhi for using the word "Kaffir" has been cooked up by the blacks. The truth about what the blacks and whites did to Indians over the last 300+ years will start coming out soon. This constant negative propaganda against Indians needs to end.
If you have any of Churchill you might want to take them down too, guy instituted a man made famine. Kind of lumps him in that rare famine club along with such illustrious individuals as Mao Zedong and Stalin.
Jan Sprat "the blacks" wow you're pretty dumb. Gandhi said it himself,. He's Arian. lol
I understand Gandhi having monuments in India since he was a political giant for the nation, but having them in South Africa is absolutely absurd
There's a ghandi's statue in GHANA
@BARBATVS 89 Hitler didn't. Subhas Chandra Bose did, by being the final nail in the coffin.
@BARBATVS 89 Not directly. Indirectly.
Read "Bose or Gandhi: Who Got India Her Freedom?" by Major General G D Bakshi. You'll get my point.
@BARBATVS 89 Your problem is that you are taking the words too literally. When I say Bose liberated India, I do not mean he came charging and drove them out. I mean he acted as a catalyst.
None other than the British themselves admit it in their letters that have been reproduced in the book I mentioned.
@BARBATVS 89 It was surely a multitude of factors.
Bro I am an Indian and u made a Great Video on the sides of Gandhi kept away from us in History textbooks .... U deserve 1.3 Billion likes
You can condemn me for this poor excuse of a joke
Will that give him enough karma to become a Brahmin caste?
He was racist first, cause he was educated from western University. Then he changed after the train incident. It opened his eyes
This kind of comment is rare to find outside Eastern Europe
@@hyhena-gaming9986lol i hope thats only a joke and that u know that it isn't how it workd
I saw a school art project once that had Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. shaking hands... it’s really awkward walking past that now. 😬
BARBATVS 89 tie? What does that have to do with what I said?
BARBATVS 89
Wat?
They’re both pretty flawed characters. Ones a racist ones a sexist.
@iqbal sahibil A lot of people hated gay people due to not understanding what gay people are Most gay people grew up being homophobic until they admitted they were gay so. So, I don't agree that racism and homophobia should be compared. People hate black people because they hate them. People hate gay people because they believe it was a choice. Which it is not.
Spektre X Shut the fuck up you dirt bag piece of shit
Dat hair though
Suibhne great videos.
milo yiannopoulos hair
Suibhne love your vids
I paused at "People love..." and can only imagine that he's going to say "Blue hair" when I un-pause.
Is it bluish grey or greyish blue..🤔
This was an eye-opener. As an Indian, I always felt there was something really off about him. Now I know why.
You shoulda said, Now I know better ! :P
Well as a Canadian, I like him even more now.
@@AownAli-xi8jq Because he helped India fuxk up the brits and motivated them (he wasn't the main reason I know but he was a big motivation) and brits colonized Canada and I don't think anybody likes being colonized.
@@BatCostumeGuy lmao come to india and ask for yourself what a lot of people think about the dude
@@g.w.f.212 Your point?
Can you cover mother Theresa in a similar manner? I've read...unsavory things regarding her patient care.
@@SaraH-jn5db Your sources?
@@SaraH-jn5db She wasn't vile per say; she just cared only for the Church and it's "mission".
@@SaraH-jn5db Not really, you gotta think of historical figures in the context that they lived in. Getting people to convert to Christianity was more important than healing them, because treating their spiritual ills was more important than treating their physical ills.
If your view is that the soul last for eternity but the flesh lasts temporarily, and you have limited resources - then you yourself would try and tie these together; let me treat your spiritual woes and I'll treat your physical woes.
She wasn't vile, she was just operating under a different moral preset than modern people.
@@sambeck2510 *some modern people
@@petertomov5728 most modern people
There's no moral grey area about that hair.
More of a case of orange and blue morality.
The parting is what bothers me but I have no suggestion as to how to improve it.
He lost a bet.
Got em
Well you'll be surprised to see how many Indians, themselves, hate Gandhi.
I'm Indian but born in England, and Gandhi was portrayed to me as this god-figure, the perfect human being.
I went to India during my secondary education, and i always thought the last thing you should do here is speak negatively about the Father of the Nation, Gandhi. But surprisingly, when i questioned my friends about him, they all said they hated him! This was schocking to me.
But it's true, Gandhi was not only creepy in his personal life (being racist against blacks, sleeping with teenagers), but he also halted India's independence, and his, and Nehru's role in the partition was terrible.
@BARBATVS 89 According to science, humans are considered as adults when their brain has fully developed which is 25 years old.
Puberty is only the first step to adulthood.
BARBATVS 89 I was only correcting what you said.
In science, puberty is not considered as adult yet.
25 years old is just the average age for people to fully grown their brain.
BARBATVS 89 Not really, I was adding the third sentence and you didn’t ask any question so how would I know you’re asking a question.
And I wasn’t even saying what I personally believe or not believe.
As I said, when you said according to science that humans are considered adults when they reach puberty, I corrected you.
Nothing more nothing less.
BARBATVS 89 I wasn’t even talking or ever thought about the brain being a thinker or whatever the hell that means.
@BARBATVS 89 are you talking about aisha ??
The "K-word" comes from Islamic Arabic; it means "infidel." It later became a loan word in Afrikaans as a racial slur.
Thought I'd heard that word used by Islamists too.
First sensible person found
@@alexwright4930 Islamists? it's a normal word mostly used for nonbelievers.
I have a friend who is an Arab Muslim and he used the word "Ab'd" which he didn't know I know what it means. Look it up
PS he still doesn't XP
PlainsPup yea I know that word very well as I was called that all the time by my fellow friendly Muslims
I learnt about Gandhi in school, now I realise that i didn’t actually learn anything!
thats why history books should neber be taken seriously thary are always written by those who were powerful at that time
I commend you on your research and objective narrative
We are all fed up with the glorification of Gandhi and Nehru in Indian histrory
IKR
Even I as a Pakistani didn't know he did this crap.our leader jinnah is portrayed as some new age borderline prophet but the dude drank alcohol owned dogs ,wore western clothes and couldn't even speak Urdu.admittedly he wasn't completely bag suit crazy like Gandhi.
@@arhamshahid5015 Gandhi was a conservative politician. Nothing more.
He was most likely a freemasonic agent for the British. Just look at what’s happened to India (yes it probably wasn’t entirely him, but he was a key part). Of course the greatest manipulators don’t need violence. They’re more sinister and cunning than that.
@@arhamshahid5015
what's wrong with owning dogs? Also, what's wrong about not being able to speak Urdu?
1.3 bn dislikes? Seriously? You think Indians dont know their own history?
Well you think right :/
I think he deserves all the dislikes one can get, but looking at the comment section it seems like he has been teaching to the choir. This video was trash and a literal abuse to Mahatma Gandhi's legacy.
@@ishanbajpai6940 how so
@@ishanbajpai6940 Ghandhi was a racist and didnt even acheive his goals
@@CEO_Of_Racism-fk3qv It is Gandhi, not ghandhi.
Plus, he achieved 100x times whatever anyone on this comment section did or would ever achieve.
If you don't actually study history then please shut the fuck up.
@@ishanbajpai6940 actually u should learn history more than those learned from school. Wht u learned from school r pure shit... Do some research and then bark. Against others...just congress made him look better
In late May 2020, this information is incredibly relevant to the people who claim that Gandhi’s protests were non-violent and he was successful. It puts him and his movement into a new perspective. Thank you for making this video.
Totally laid down naked next to the subscribe button, but I couldn't resist touching it...RIP vital fluids
BokehDon haha this joke was masterful
OMG what a genius with words you are NOT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
His joke was better then your comeback man. What's your problem anyway?
Edit: Fixed after @kiwii was kind enough to point out mistakes
Perhaps he was touched by Ghandi as a child.
@@IamJenJen101 His* joke, your* comeback 🤦🏻
@kiwii oops, gotcha. Anything else lead editor?
I live in South Africa and we've covered Gandhi in history class many times, yet this video was wayy more informative :)
Fax my guy
In school they only teach you what they want you to know.. not the important facts
@@TAYLORGANG116 Except AB apparently.
Normies: No nut November
Gandhi: hold my fluids
@@googleaccount93 oh yeah yeah yeah yeah
*SUPER fluids
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Your boy Max was demolished by Moist.
Every historical character should be evaluated in their original historical context. This aplies to Gandhi and Columbus. This point was kind of made in the video, but wanted to make it clear.
But you’re assuming everyone was like that. In the future more advanced people will probably look back and think overall that most of us were whiny, violent, twisted and backwards too. In reality, that’s just too many people that gain a lot of publicity and support as this is a cold world. Often the better you are, the more of a minority you are.
He said Ghandi spoke modern English so there isn't much room for interpretation. I do understand what you mean about historical context for a frame of reference.
Why did the Indians not burn the hedge down that separated them from the salt?
That is okay in study. But when worshipping somebody as a hero today then you also have to judge him by today standards.
@@Elite7555 Very true, if you are gonna make someone a hero or a role model, then you have to test him against modern morals. Which is not the same as demonising them, obviously.
Gandhi was a very complex individual. If it wasn't for his help in freeing india, he would have been just a very strange mentally disturbed guru.
Ghandi didn't free India lol go do some research. Ww2 get a clue?
Thomas Ridley
That's just something Indians spread, he had nothing to do with India's independence.
@@SunnySide388 Really? You do know that he was active in the free India movement during the interwar period. Also, he had been championing Indian rights in the empire since before the late 1800s in South Africa and India, his work even reached the eye of the folks in the UK themselves.
Also, if it hadn't been popular support for Indian independence that he helped formed, India will not gain independence in 1947. Yes, it is a shared effort, but if he had no influence, why is he well-regarded by the nation not only after independence, but during WW2 and before? And why is he the face of Indian independence from that same time period?
@@alexanderchristopher6237 oh God. India owes its independence largely to Subash Chandra Bose. And he never got credit for it because he disagreed with Gandhi's views on politics. I believe India would have gained independence a long long time ago if it had not been for Gandhi and his willingness to cooperate with the British. He definitely had influence, but is absolutely overrated.
@@HSingh-rw1eg Bose didn't do shit
asking for independence during a war is a great idea, when the super power is occupied, they cant stop you.
Exactly
Say that to an Indian liberal lol
@@prashuram8135 No wonder the liberals hate Subhas Chandra Bose.
Asking for independence not demanding it is a bad idea
No, the Indians held very little power in comparison to the the powers which were fighting the war for the cause, so if they didn't fight for the British other powers might had invaded them.
No lie, I was watching this video as I walked into my apartment building, and the guy in front of me recognized your voice and said "hey, I know that guy. Knowing better?" And I replied with "yeah, I just found his channel today!" And we exchanged a high five. :)
...And then everyone clapped
@@rey4059This isn't that crazy of a story
I love that you pointed out Ghandi’s nuclear inclination in Civ 😂
I honestly believe that it's actually impossible to talk about Gandhi and not at least mention his CIV self
what does civ mean??
"All of his pent up... power." 🤣 I just started watching your videos and I can't get enough. So informative, comical and fundamentally memorable. Thank you so much for everything you post for us, your viewers!
Regarding Gandhi's racism vs. Columbus' racism:
Our modern concept of race wasn't nearly as 'developed' in Europe during the Renaissance. I believe it was well into the colonial period, when countries relied more heavily on black African slave labor, that people saw race as more "important". I'd argue that western society was more racist in the year 1900 than it was in the year 1500.
Pretty sure ancient Romans, Greeks and others examples were very racist (although Romans not as much as anyone would think), but still well said.
@@Jake007123 Kinda? It was weird. At the very least, slavery was a very different concept during the Classical Period. There wasn't nearly as muhc of a racial connotation when it came to slavery or forced servitude as there was back then.
BARBATVS 89 👏 👏 👏
If you can’t tell, I’m slow clapping
@BARBATVS 89 no british empire lmao didnt we kick your arses? Oh yeah we did 😂😂
@lelennyfox34 how did the Catholic church do this?
I'm Indian and I have been binge-watching your content over the last couple of days. I like your channel.
About Gandhi: Your fear of a billion dislikes is unfounded. There is size-able and growing rabid anti-Gandhi sentiment in India (Especially the younger generation and the current establishment). But not for reasons you might think. He is perceived as having acquiesced to Muslim demands for a separate homeland without putting forth strong resistance. And I can't say that that perception is baseless. (In fact, that was the reason for his assassination at the hands of a fellow-Hindu)
Yes I think this is the true reason.
Yes, I totally agree. An additional point would be his notorious Poona pact in which he forced Dr B R Ambedkar to not take the communal awards for dalits
Sai J, very true. The younger generation of india understands and can sort out its own priorities. Gandhism forces us to act like cripples although we r not and undergo 'sanyas' although we don't want to. Thats why there is opposition otherwise who don't want peace ?
Bloody gandhians like nehru hv supressed the expanse of our national honour by limiting india into an anti martial and all tolerant state. How countries like pak and bdesh and china dare to try offend india now ?
Its bcoz of us sticking to the gandhian ideology and not trying to deviate from it.
Extreme violence or extreme tolerance is not an option for india and it never was.
Sai J All agreed! But somewhere, we fail to realise that inspite of all his flaws and mistakes, the people of India got something that kept them united. Even if it was a tainted person like Gandhi, he was the binding force of the millions of oppressed people of India which lead to our independence.
We can speak and debate as much as we want regarding his misdoings and perverted views, but all we will be doing is giving one less reason for our people to unite as a whole.
Gandhi didn't unite India for shit. The real credit for consolidation goes to The Iron Man of India
Aryan in Sanskrit means "intellectual society" (close but not accurate) not white brotherhood.
@Stellvia Hoenheim Excuse me but can you tell me I am racist towards which race ?😂😂😂
Aryan literally means those who belong to Arya-varta, which was what India (before any partitions, of course) was called back in the ancient days.
@@akashekhar arya just means people with high morals, great scientific knowledge, and who are in the path of truth aka dharma. Bharatvarsh called aryavarta because of that. Arya isn't any race as told by false western historians.
Ya but I think this video is saying that he implied Aryan in the way that European thought of it since he was writing to one
He says the Aryans he's talking about are also known as the Indo-Europeans. We now know these people as the Yamaya.
These people spoke the common ancestor language of English, Hindi, Latin, Greek, Persian, Russian, Gaelic etc. (known as Proto-Indo-European). Around 1900, people thought that this also meant people from Ireland to (northern) India were largely descended from these people. With modern genetics, we now know that the Yamnaya account for about 10% of our DNA.
“history is written by the victors” - Winston Churchill
Kevin LaRocque Winston Churchill was a racist, drunk, and a fraud.
Napoleon Bonaparte I'd expect to hear that from Napoleon.
Napoleon Bonaparte Ad hominem
Napoleon Bonaparte thats a lie and he even made a video
It's not a lie. Churchill killed thousands of Indians. That's a fact.
Who was it who said "There are no great men who are also good men?"
@@nikhilmannava22 i dont think that's the intended quote but still, the one you provided is a good one :)
Honestly, Tolkien fulfills both!
The younger generation in India increasingly identifies with nationalists like Subhas Chandra Bose and great economists and social reformers like Dr. B R Ambedkar, who was once a student at Columbia University.
Oh, the hypocrisy here
@@barathivaasan5876 what's the hypocrisy?
WRONG!! They identify with mass murderer and human rights abuser narinder modi, who is hindu extremist and nazi sympathizer
Please stop spreading lies.
Hey,aren't you a writer on Quora?
Subhas Chandra Bose was also flawed, he actually allied with Nazi troops against the British rule. Moral is to not idolize anybody and be your own person.
Dude you do not get enough views. Tremendous editing, calm voice, relaxing background music that isnt too high, and insane attention to detail. You also explain everything so well. I wish I had you as a history teacher in school
Your comment about how ‘starting an independence movement during wartime is ridiculous’ makes sense out of context but it’s important to note that the British declared martial law in the Raj on the 29th of September 1939 and stripped all power away from the elected provincial governments to give power back to the British government in India. This was justified as a necessary measure to ensure the colony contributed the maximum amount to the war effort, however this did not sit well with the people. The British government’s detached way of running the nation led to famines in the past, and many other problems, and their mismanagement of food supplies would be a major factor in how devastating the Japanese invasion of Burma was to the Bengal region.
Also, you said the British promised independence during the war and that was just a lie. They did send the Cripps mission in which a representative (Stafford Cripps) gave vague promises of future dominion status, but that was all, and this was really only to appease the Americans who were anti imperialism. To Indian officials in the 1940’s, fighting a war against fascists to uphold the dominance of the imperialists simply wasn’t justifiable. That was the reason for Quit India, and I will add that Quit India was not led by Gandhi or the Congress. It was so massive in scale that it was pretty much just led by whoever was around at a particular protest. It grew out of the control of Gandhi’s political group.
The final decision to leave India was also only taken because the British literally couldn’t afford to pay the people they needed to run the country after being bankrupt by the war.
Also, most of what you said about the All-India Muslim League wasn’t really that accurate and could definitely mislead some people.
True man . Also , some points didn't make sense to me. Historically, form what I know, aren't untouchables basically a part of shudras ?The ones who cleaned and stuff. That's why they were "untouchables" because they were too "dirty" to touch or socialise
Wow. This was an eye-opener indeed! Thanks for this well-researched video.
Great video!
One thing I found especially interesting is the fact that 'Kaffir' was apparently an Indian slur for black people. In Afrikaans (That Dutch daughter language in South Africa) the most common racial slur for black people is (or was) "Kaffer", which also found its way to The Netherlands, where some have used the word "Kaffer" as the closest thing to "the N-word" in Dutch. Never knew that word had its origins in the Indian communities of South Africa.
Edit: forgot to add, the word is also used as a non-racial insult in some regions. I didn't originally explain this because I didn't think of it as relevant.
So the word went from Arabic to Hindi to Afrikaans to Dutch... Damn.
Kafir in india is a term used by muslims to insult others you idiot
Ghipoli, This kind of media propaganda is nothing short of a criminal behavior and needs to be addressed. These videos are being made to pull in Indians to these videos and increase the number of hits. We have taken this up with Google to see how they are allowing such videos to monetize on such blatantly wrong propaganda. I have written a rebuttal to this moron to his pinned comment above. Its time to expose the reality of how Indians were treated by both Blacks and Whites. Read my comment above addressed to "Knowing Better" who ironically doesn't know any better.
Ghipoli Of course the dude talking about the Netherlands has a windmill profile picture.
Im Dutch and we definitely dont use that word.
He can't be as bad as your hair style lol
Frankie Coto he's blue ....dabba dee dabba do..... lol
Danial Howe it’s actually (Im blue, if i was green I would die)
Looks kinda hot to me, though I cant be sure if ist blue or grey?
@@TheTemper-King nope
Harsh
This is eye opening. And people love this man. What a world we live in.
They don't love him in India also anymore. His political party is finished.
yes he was a bloody racist and rapist
This video is excellent :)
Up and Atom eyy
Except it has almost all the points half cooked, check my comment in the main thread if you want details
He is lying, He is Biased, He is Clueless
@@rohittantia4020
All he said was very true. But we should never forget that he had a lot of positive sides too. Instead of either idolizing Mahatma Gandhi or throwing him in a ditch, keep him just as other freedom fighters...
Thank you for this video. I used to idolize Gandhi. My first introduction to him was through Richard Attenborough's 1982 film "Gandhi" which completed sanitized Gandhi and made him appear to be a saint. It made it seem as if he stood for civil rights for all and was always kind and considerate. In recent years I found out that was not true. He truly was racist and was also manipulative and arrogant. I can still admire him for pushing for non-violent solutions but I no longer consider him a role model.
Why should India care if the protest was in the middle of the war? It would make more sense to protest at that time anyways.
Good work. Thank you for going places others shy from.
I have long ago came to the conclusion that there is no such thing as a Good Guy and a Bad Guy...just people that are generally better or worse than others. All the heroes have an alterior motive, and all the villains have honest motivations. So we can't ever catagorize anyone as being one or the other, but we can judge for ourselves whether we are willing to love them for their qualities or hate them for their flaws.
Except Anna Pavlova; She's a plain good girl.
6:51 I see why ghandi would start at 0 aggression and then halfway into the game he would go nuclear by declaring war on everyone.
It's Gandhi not Ghandi. Are you that visually challenged?
@@mydearfriend007 Its, who cares. He's a pervy racist.
@@mydearfriend007A minor typo is somehow a bad thing?
I was watching a video on the origin of Civilization's nuke-happy version of Gandhi.
There was a comment war on whether Gandhi was a racist pervert or a saintly man. There was a lot of rage. I think someone called someone else a heretic over this.
WHO WENT AGAINST THE WORD OF THE EMPEROR
it's youtube comments, what do you expect? In fact, if "heretic" is the worst thing someone said to someone else then that comment section is one of the nicest political debate comment sections on this website.
This channel is amazing! I always thought I was at the very least semi-educated but here I am learning a metric fuck ton of new information in just a day of learning of this channels existence.
Wendover: planes
Polymater: China
Knowing Better: Columbus
knowing better: genocides
@@venicedreamway hotel: trivago
The worst bit about the "Aryan Brotherhood" thing is that it's actually half-right, since English and Hindi are both Indo-European languages. However this doesn't work on a more general racial level (because race as an idea is a crock of shit), and doesn't work for all Indians (because southern Indians such as Tamils and Malayalees are Dravidian-speakers, and there are loads of non-Indo-European speakers in the north-east).
And not all white people speak indo-european languages, like Hungarian, Finnish, or Basque people
"I'm starting to think that your only purpose in this script is to set up my next argument" *mysterious music plays*
great work! keep making these videos.
I agree with this video but it does have one flaw . And that’s you can’t be racist against Muslims because Muslim isn’t a race idk how you can put that against him, he was just being critical of Islam
Yeah Islam deserves a lot of criticism but there's a difference between criticism and bigotry.
@@karlazeen any criticism of Islam is seen as bigotry
@werid person Yeah that's good
@werid person criticism of a groups practices is good
There's also a super complex perception of Gandhi in India. There's a faction of centrist-ish liberals who view him pretty highly and might defend/disregard valid criticism. Then, there's the right wing that hates him - not because of the valid criticism, but because of his affiliation with the Nehru family and his centrist-liberal political stance. And finally, there's the faction I agree with, which strongly dislikes him for all the critique, especially his stance on the caste system and the role of liberal caste-privileged Hindus in the continuation of the caste system in direct and indirect ways.
Personally, I'd much rather see a pan-national lauding of figures like Dr. B R Ambedkar, rather than just Gandhi and other caste Hindus actively interested in perpetuating caste.
I'd say now he's like hated by atleast 30% of the population
40% don't care at all
The remaining 30% defend him
As a citizen of India, I fully endorse what was said in this video, Gandhi was a shrewd man who only brought disaster whereever he went. We can all see the current state of Africa, that was only because people failed to criticize his viewpoints there but India is recovering for the nationalist didn't buy into his false ideals of non-violence which led to the death of millions of Dharmic people and resorted to just violence or else our current state would have been despicable.
Thank you for being Honest and objective and not letting nationalism cloud your judgment sir ✅
14:45 The George Washington and the cherry tree business is not a complete lie. As we see in the final episode of Ben 10 Omniverse, the cherry tree was an analogy for Vilgax's spaceship, so it has basis in truth.
I haven't even watched it yet, but thank you! I'm tired of being the only jackass in the room willing to say that Ghandi was a creepy dude. Now I have somewhere to send people who argue with me.
Great video. Minor quibble, Islam is a religion not a race.
Splendid!!
Fancy doing a similar piece on Mother Theresa?
0:27 Most of the Indians hate Gandhi
At least we still have Fred Rogers in the "genuinely good person" category...for now.
Neverhoodian Mr. rogers will always be amazing
Well, Gandhi is still a very good person...just more complicated than we may have originally realized. :-)
There is no for now. To be mentally stable:
1. Take your paranoia and drop it.
2. Crush it underfoot.
3. Scatter it to the winds.
4. ???
5. Profit.
That Civ meme gets me every time
I was scrolling through the old videos and never knew this one existed until now
As an Indian i already know some of this..he was never my idol (not for a lot of Indians actually)
I was rather surprised that he is famous outside of India. We all know he did almost nothing for freedom from Britain...he was just a bit smarter and educated than most people back then and played his game well
He was Britains B team
Well, Gandhi did a lot but he was a politician more than anything. The stabilisation of India also depended on him and other intellectuals. Independence could have been delayed even longer, the country could have been fractured and India could have become much more nationalistic.
@@manasjain2034 but all the credit of independence is given to him which laughable. Cause at taht time conhress was in power
Bro the intro to this video really stuck with me and it's so true. We believe we're so 3d but take everyone else at face value disregarding all reason so we can place them into the box we want to fit them into
As an Indian we are taught in school to consider Gandhi as our idol and he is almost SOLELY credited for India’s independence. Although we learn about non-Gandhi lead movements, they were “violent” and hence were not taught with half the importance given to that man’s “non-violent” movements.
Yes it’s true the father of our nation was helped in achieving independence but they should also teach and show the dark side of him, thus making him more human, because he is described as nearly a saint in Indian history textbooks.
Time for other Indian freedom fighters to take the podium.
Thank you for this video!
Great video as always !
While one might find his statements on Muslims racist-ish, I was surprised by your surprise at the fact that he wrote those things in a “pre 9/11” world “before the first suicide bombing,” that’s an agonisingly America centric view of an Indian figure.
Muslims have lived here much before even Colombus’s voyage to America. There is no doubt that compared to the Indian religions, Islam is more aggressive and warlike. I’d like to clarify I’m talking about the values and doctrines, not individual Muslims.
In that context, and the fact that the Muslim elite of that time had started to view themselves as closer to the Arabs, Persians or Turks because of the so-called ‘common Islamic connection’ being stronger than centuries of being part of Indian civilisation, his comments are not racist but criticism of a religion and the views held by the religious elite-as is acceptable in any modern society…I hope.
The man was literally assassinated for being too pro-Muslim. He held prayer meetings where gods of all religions were prayed to, but that can only work so well when one religion recognises many gods and the other believes their god is The Only True God. So that went as well for Hindu-Muslim unity as you’d think.
Agreed, as an Arab
The religious Indian "Caliphate Movement" DID NOT want a separation, they were for unification. But, they collapsed and gave way to the All India Muslim League, which was secular and for separation (ironically) and for the creation of Pakistan.
As an Indian thank you. We are all complex even “saints” like Ghandi aren’t perfect.
Normal people aren't perfect, he's not even close to be a normal good human being, he's a sick racist homophobic
@@TheGuideCenter lol, racist? Have you even read his autobiography?
@@subaruyagami2327 did you see the video?
@@subaruyagami2327 Are you blind? Yess he's racist af
@@psi9899 this guy made the same video as "you don't see in 4k" his channel is based on talking trash while sounding really smart. He does research equivalent to a 4th grader searching for how to overclock a GPU. His content is trash.
You opened my mind to Gandhi, I'm just now realizing how bad my high school education was. Thanks
Gandhi is human as we all are, he was born into a super rich minister family but he became something else and he had his ups and downs both as a person and as a politician or leader.. All our leaders across the world are presented towards us as polished good deed generators but thats not true. Just good examples.. And i have to admit this video has some truth to it but be wise not to completely ignore the greatness of Gandhi.
Nobody is born great not even the gods
Sleeping with underage girls, bathing with them .... Yeah that's human isn't it? Forbidding his ailing wife to use penicillin as treatment, causing her death, and then using penicillin himself when he was sick, yeah of course that's so human. Leaving his father's funeral to have fornicate with his wife, yeah, of course that's normal and human.
Gandhi was a sick man, who disguised himself as a simple beautiful person. Period.
He’s not great he basically backdoored his own people as well as had hate in his heart
Calling for Independence during a World War is exactly what Ireland did and managed to succeed.
Ireland became independent in 1922. WW1 ended in 1918
Not to mention, they were supported by Germany, while Irish Soldiers died in trenches on the continent as well. What a glorious effort...
The Easter Rising by Irish nationalist insurgents was in 1916 during WWI, and it was crushed.
My first game of Civ. 6, I was going for a religous victory (as Saladin), India spammed apostles, I did the next best thing and went crusading, needless to say, I didn't have friends afterwards.
2:00 Yeah that word is like the N word in South Africa, but far worse because it was never given a new connotation and exists purely as a slur.
TEACH US THAT HISTORY DADDY
The whole thing about Muslim not taking criticism well has now become true for a good number of Hindu’s in India too now.
I just wanted to say, I appreciate the nonpartisan view of history you offer on your channel. I haven’t seen a lot of history teachers who are successful in keeping their opinions out of their retellings of history, so I appreciate that you aren’t intentionally villainizing or elevating any historical figures 😅
Tyler “Ninja” Blevins 30 years after leaving twitch
He died of Ligma though
Superb presentation. Interesting, nicely edited, entertaining and informative, Well done! you have another follower.
These videos make me want to look my self in a room on my off and listen to how my history classes in school should have been taught, it's unbiased and factual and makes me see things in a better light . Keep up the good work!!!
Will you do one on Hitler, Stalin, or Che Guevara?
Alexander Chippel Che Guevara murdered tyrants. I am okay with it
Che Guevara was an overrated one hit wonder. Helped overthrow Batista in Cuba, and it was downhill from there. Tried to help overthrow several other governments and failed. He was a smart and photogenic pretty boy who took a great pic that made the girls wet their panties. I believed his so called buddy Fidel sold him out in Bolivia, after Che mouthed off about the Russians.
Shubham Bhushan In addition to suppressing free speech and executing hundreds of people without trial during the Cuban Revolution, and that's not to mention the hard-on he got for nuclear weapons. Che Guevara was trash.
Not to mention he went all-out racist when his campaign in the Congo failed miserably.
The problem is that while they each had some good aspects, calling them villians is fair.
16:57 Not me, I like my history to be nuanced and multilayered. Through some research of my own, I had doubts that Mohandas Gandhi was as good as many people think.
He is Clueless and Biased about Gandhi.
Columbus pushed 10-11 years old girls into Sex Slavery, Killed & Enslaved 10000s, Wiped of Natives from their own Lands and Exploited their Resources. Black & Indian people are still facing Racism and inequality even after 500 years. You Underplay & Justify what Columbus did and expect us to believe that you care about Racism by Comparing a Mass-Murderer, Slave-Owner, tyrant with Gandhi???
World doesn't Respect Some 20 year old Boy but Mahatma Gandhi who fought against Oppression throughout his life, when Gandhi Reached Africa he was in his 20s. In India we don't have Black People, now Imagine being aware about Black Community and their Suffering in a world without TV, Radio, Internet or such Modern Inventions of Information. Gandhi and most Indian were clueless about Black People at that time, for them they were Tribals or just savages who lived in Jungles or just totally Clueless about their Existence. Gandhi Reached their and saw Black People with eyes of Whites who were ruling half of the world. Indians in Africa were Educated, Civilised and Wealthy compared to Oppressed & Enslaved Black People who were illiterate and Extremely Poor. Of Course they were not equal, not equal in a country where people were divided by Whites based on Racial characters. Gandhi's views on Black Community in his earlier years were Indeed Problematic, but he was neither a Slave Owner nor a Associate or advocate of people who Discriminated. You Expected him to fight for Indians as well as Black South Africans at the Same Time? You are Criticising him because he Fought for Rights of Brown Indians but didn't fight for 4 Centuries Old Institutionalised Discrimination? Sorry, a Person has some Limitations... But this Movement later Motivated and Inspired Black leaders or anyone who was Opreesed. Indian followers of Gandhi were marching Along Side Mandela when he was leading the movement in Africa.
'Harijan' do you even know what this word means? Did you even bother to Research? Untouchability was pretty much relevant 100 years ago, Untouchables were called with highly racists and insulting words; instead Gandhi started using 'Harijan' , which literally means People-Of-God. You talked about Untouchables and used a trimmed clip from Kee & Peele but you didn't talk about how he was Always Against Untouchability from the very first day. He was in support of Cast System in begining but over the years his views changed when he saw their suffering and inequality. He made a real change in life of millions of intouchables, he tought common Indians that they are just like them, you would know this if you actually Researched.
You talked about his Vow of Celibacy, belief in power of Maintaining & Controlling Sexual Desire and sensationalised the whole thing. There are books of no nutting and people who claim that they Achieved Success & Greater Discipline by simply doing the same. Yes, his Sexual Experiments were weird af.
"I learnt from Hussain how to achieve Victory while Opreesed" - Gandhi . You are Clueless about Gandhi, his Values, Politics & History of India. That 'Sacrifice' Quote was incomplete and that was said after only 16 Sikhs could reach Delhi Alive out of 1000 Sikhs who started Journey from Pakistani side of Punjab after Partition. Just google about Condition of Minorities in Pakistan in 21st century you Clueless immature man. Gandhi was a Secular leader , he always Criticised Radical Hindus and Muslims both, you can Cherry pick his Criticism of Radical islam and try to make him sound an Islamophobic. He advocated Brotherhood between Hindus & Muslims throughout his life and anyone who is aware about India know this very well. India was ruled by Muslims kings for more 6 Centuries and at least half of them were Pretty unfair with Native Hindus, also the endless Invasion and Loots over the Centuries. Radical Islamists still Kill & Behead people over Criticism of Islam, do you think it's fine? Hindus are better with this, we Criticise and Question our own Gods and Scriptures, even watch movies who Mocks our own Gods, you are Fcking Clueless about India or anything you are talking about.
'Communal Award' Advocated for Separate Electorate based on Castes and Religion; Sorry, that we didn't accepted Proposal of Further more Division of our Country by British.
'Freedom in the middle of War' Whose War Exactly ? it was certainly not India's War, Indians Sacrificed Themselves for British in two World Wars.You say "Political pressure of Imperial Rule was Built" after 200 years of Total Exploitation , Drainage of Wealth & Heritage, Division of India, and Torture & Murders of Millions of Indians..... Just White Colonial Stuff
Cows, a wife and running around naked sounds like the life
Trueeeeeee
Sounds like the life he was hating on
It is in the habit of people to glorify those who liberated their country. In a sense this is what Gandhi did but without starting a war. I actually recall hearing this story in a book about the Gandhi movie where one of his followers wanted them to include the darker aspects of his nature simply to keep it from glorifying him because he preferred it that way. In a sense it is better to include these things because we need to remind people that you don't need to be a saint to do a great good or to help people. Incidentally I think the Indian/African racism went both ways. In Uganda at one point Idi Amin deported everyone of Indian descent from his country and seized their property - an act of genocide - which I believe had great support at the time in Uganda. It didn't help matters in the country but these things are not uncommon as we might believe.
I am an Indian and I don't think gandhi as "Father of the nation"
Out of interest, who (if anyone) do you consider it to be? I'd put Nehru at the top of the list, but of course there were other important players such as Jinnah and even Cripps, though neither were Indians at their time of death.
Chandra gupta
Nehru was also a horrible person who was just trying to gain wealth and fame.
Bose
The Pirate Persian India was always a hindhu nation, why else do everyone convert to Christianity and Islam in India to gain minority benefits. Cuz it's a hindhu majority country. And past Congress members weren't all bad it's just a few that ruined it's reputation. Lal bahadhur sastry was a Congress party member and we ain't bashing on him. It's just a few that screwed up big time just like other members of other parties. Why do you have to involve religion into this, us hindhus don't care about other religions as long as they stop converting our people. We are cool with sharing our space with everyone.
As an indian , I really hope we remove his photo from Indian currency.
You Gandhi be kidding me
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As an Indian, a few points on the video:
Good:
1. Thanks for covering the "dark" bits of Gandhi. In our history books, he is portrayed as a saint who could do no wrong. His racist sentiments towards Africans is totally glossed over in India. 3. His weird fetishes are also never mentioned in our books
2. Gandhi was a transparent man. His writings are exhaustive and available freely online.
3. His role in our freedom movement is exaggerated due to whitewashing of our history books by the Congress Party (his old party)
4. His ideals for a modern India were antiquated and called for a return to the old Vedic ages.
Bad:
1. He was soft towards Muslims. He was even killed by a Hindu extremist because of the same perceptions. His "criticism" of Islam was that it takes itself too seriously, which is not Islamophobia. In a modern society, nothing is above criticism,.
2. Muslim league was a minor player in Indian politics of the time. The two state theory was advocated by both Hindu and Muslim extremists and was seen as the best way to avoid a massive civil war. Even so, the partition of India was a brutal time, involving displacement of millions of people.
3. He never directly advocated violence. In 1921, he called off the Non-Cooperation movement precisely because people burned policemen for firing at them. His snake-oil of Satyagraha led to several thousand Hindus being killed by Moplas (muslims) in Kerala.
4. What is not mentioned in the video is that he was an incredibly populist figure throughout the India of 1930-1940s. This was why the Brits were cautious in dealing with him. His words could sway people regardless of religion.
PS: If you want a billion dislikes, do a video critical on Narendra Modi, our current PM :P He is being propped up into a demi-god just like Gandhi was.
As someone ignorant about this, thank you for educating us.
A Hindu Indian hating on Muslim Indians isn't racism because they're the exact same race. It's religion-based bigotry (I hate the term "Islamophobe" because it's far too ill-defined to be used in intellectual discourse).
doesn't really change the point of the video though
Shuaib Ahmed Syed Gilani
I'm not sure you understand what a 'race' is. Then again, the term 'race' is extremely ill-defined, so I'm not sure I understand it either. But I know enough to know that Indians are all the same race. There are many ethnicities and even a variety of skin tones, but they're all the same race. In fact, I'm pretty sure Indians and Europeans are the same race. Africa is the same way--the Koi-San people of South Africa, for example, are much lighter-skinned than the Bantus of east Africa, but they're also considered to be the same race.
As far as I know, there are three races in the world: African, Asian, and White. As I said, that's a bad definition for race, since it doesn't account for, what, 2 or 3 billion people? If you're using a different definition from the one most people think of that's fine, but maybe you should lead with that.
That said, I still don't see what any of that has to do with the main point of my original comment. Hating someone because of their religion is not racist. Even if the two people are different races. Although in that case, racism could be a part of it.
There's also the issue of Islamic terrorism and genocide. The prophet Mohammad was a pedophile as well.
At 11:35, it is discovered that Ghandi invented No Nut November
What a mind-bomb! I knew Ghandi was a racist, but I didn't know how deep it ran. Man! #knowingbetter Thank you for all the great content!
I've known Ghandi was pure, untethered evil since he nuked half the planet in a CIV IV game I played as a kid.
You can tell exactly to the second how far I made it into the video before commenting.
Literally everyone is in the grey, no one person is all good or all bad
Precisely! Like Walt Disney, or Jim Jones, or Bill Cosby, or Christopher Columbus...
I don't know, Hitler falls pretty comfortably into the "bad" category. I mean, he was big on animal rights, but that's about it.
@@gabrielfraser2109 that single thing keeps him in the grey area as well. In his mind he never wanted bad things for his people but all these don't justify or rationalize his actions.
@@boredguy5463 He lied about being curly. It's a big no no.
@@boredguy5463 yes, let's not forget about that, even the devil needs compassion.
after the 5year survey, I go back to watch a bunch of videos I missed (or ones that I didnt watch since I found you not *too* long ago)
Old intro baby! that is what I wanted to say...
I couldn't stop staring at your hair during the entire video. So mesmerizing.
I’ve recently found your channel and I think it’s absolutely stellar. Do you think you would be interested in looking into MLK? I’ve seen other videos on him but I would like to see your input on the topic.
Correction: 8:01 the so-called "untouchables" were a part of the Shudra caste.
Yeah man,some of his points like "having independence movement during war" and saying stuff like he wanted all castes to be equal is bullshit. But hey, what do I know ? I am just a nationalist right? The only credible points are his experiments with his niece which should be criticised by all means . Also,are we seriously comparing colombus to Gandhi ? What next, my online raicst friend to Hitler?
"Alright, into the muck we go..." - lol
Oooo Great video, but I am sure it will get its share of hate sadly. Do Mandela next!!
Surprisingly, not as much as the Columbus one so far. Fingers crossed!
I really dig your channel, it shocks me that it doesn't have more subs when so many of the topics are current and relevant :/ Do you have any help making them?
I do not, it's all me. I bounce ideas off of friends and other creators of course, but all the research, writing, filming, and editing is me. Which is why it's been taking a bit longer than usual to put out content.
Occasionally I'll have a friend draw something for me (my channel art for example) but that's it.
Wow I didn't know this, but now I know better! Great video as always.
I'm of the Christian race myself, sub-race Protestant of the family Calvinist. I find most youtubers and commenters to be extremely racist against my people.
Please add Chinese subtitles, the Chinese or pther East Asian audiences should expand their knowledge of modern India and Mahatama Ghandhi in particular.