Drinker's Chasers - Indy 5 Box Office CATASTROPHE: What's Next For Kathleen Kennedy?
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- The box office for Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny is shaping up even worse than any of us could have predicted. So what's next for Kathleen Kennedy and Lucasfilm, now that they've destroyed everything they inherited?
Kathleen the Destroyer will go down in history as the greatest catastrophe to ever hit a movie studio.
She truly is the the destroyer of worlds
She's truly displaced Michael Cimino.
No that goes against the narrative. She'll be the hero who took over Lucasfilm after being held back for so long by old white men and will be a Hollywood legend. I'm not joking
@earlofdoncaster5018 I Googled the actor but I don't see any controversies or any link, what did this guy do to be as much of a franchise destroyer and business failure as Kathleen Kennedy? I'm genuinely wanting to know haha
Isn't she fired?
If Disney doesn’t get rid of KK or if she doesn’t “retire” after this, you know whatever dirt she has on the industry must be absolutely legendary.
She’s got the List of Epstein island visitors.
She must have some sort of videos of Bob Iger doing something "inappropriate"...?🤔
Got to be pedo stuff. It's the only thing they're really afraid of now,. Unless they're cannibals as well.
@@AnarchyThirtySeven she'd have an accident if she'd that info.
@@Orion-V:😆😂😂😂
Fair play to Kathleen Kennedy, it takes real skill to take a franchise like Star Wars and run it completely into the ground
well with how it works---PROMOTION!!
fail upwards thats how hollywood/corporate America works
It really doesn't. Just pour all of your hate into destroying every beloved character & job done. A kid could do it.
it really doesnt, if it takes skill to make something and keep it good then it takes no skill to tank it, and thats why she has done it, because thats the only skill she has. as we have seen its these airhead brainless ideas and decisions that have started killing these monopolistic companies, dont even give them credit by trying to pretend they did it on purpose, kathleen kenedy couldnt get herself out of a wet paper bag.
Not unless you have an unlimited source of cunt energy to draw from. We shouldn't be surprised, corporate entertainment often ruins everything.
Indiania Jones isn't star wars
I'm a massive Star Wars fan and I have ZERO desire to see anything Star Wars related if it is left in Disney's hands.
It's not brand fatigue, it's Disney's horrible decisions fatigue.
I've been a fan since the very beginning when I was kid in '77 and I feel nothing but apathy towards Disney Star Wars. Never paid to watch any Disney content (Sequels, stand-alone, and spinoff series) It's all non-canon and irrelevant to me.
I grew up with the original trilogy, played with my older brother and his Millennium Falcon, Ewok Village, etc. I wasn't a big fan of the "new" ones George Lucas put out in the early 2000's, but those were AMAZING compared to the complete dog 💩 💩 💩 they have put out recently. Currently watching Clone Wars on Disney plus, it holds up, the more recent stuff just gets progressively worse.
I agree completely, but I think you should give Andor a chance. It's the 1 thing they seemed to have done right and I assume it's because they left the creatives alone to do their work.
I hear ya.
So glad I quit Star Wars entirely after the Prequel trilogy
Any movie that has to give away free tickets when you spend $35.00 at Applebees’ has got to be embarrassingly horrible!
As if it’s not punishing enough they want us to eat Applebees too 😂
I saw that ad too and I had to hold my laughter since I was in public
Isn’t it ONE free ticket? So if you need more than one ticket you need to either buy more at Applebee’s or pay full price for any extra tickets?
Admittedly, I went to an Applebees and got a Top Gun Maverick ticket, and that's a decent movie.
And then sneak into Mission Impossible
I think the only reason KK has lasted this long is she knows where Hollywood buries it's skeletons. All the money she's lost and franchises she's driven into the ground. She must have dirt on a lot of people to not be given a pink slip.
Bet she has the original Epstein island guest list 😅…it’s the only answer.
Agreed. A person like that would not ever belong or be hired by Walt Disney when Disney was great. Iger and KK. "Cutthroat Island" is real. Snakes in the grass. They do not give an F about customers, only their own personal egos. Walt's soul must be sad, but it sure isn't his fault.
Or, she was a victim herself.....?
I want to hear the Disney boards justify why they haven’t broken Kennedy’s contract and fired her, they did it to chapek
Because duhversity
gotta respect whamen
i think they will by the end of the year. that or she stays until her contract expires next year, but with no actual administrative powers until then.
Cuz she don't have dangling bits between her legs. Strong powerful woman is never wrong
They had to get rid of the DEI executives first.
Here's a story: Indy takes a pair of his brightest students on a speaking tour in Egypt. Unexpected adventure ensues.
The students can be amazed by their old prof and you have a chance to try out two new characters and let the audience decide if they like either of them.
They open the pyramid, find a big round alien suit, who gives a Lelu Dallas Multipass greeting. Ruby Rod does the soundtrack.
that would make sense hell even showing him taking easier paths accounting for his age would make sense but nahhhh we need 80 year old Indy doing impossible stunts.
All of you could have written a better film than what we got. Even just this little bit sounds like the makings of a fun 80s-vibe film.
Or maybe, you know, just leave Indie alone and create something new? The fact that people have their own ideas to use an 80 year old Harrison Ford shows that people's expectations are about as poor as Disney's creativity.
300+ million to produce. 100+ million to promote. Cinemas keep around half the box office. Meaning Indy 5 needs 800+ million dollars to break even. Just to "break even." Its taken two weeks to make 250+ million globally and has now been pushed off the premium screens by MI7. Drying up its box office. Meaning Indy 5 could lose half a BILLION dollars by the time it flees to digital/streaming.
True, except your math is a little off, they can't lose 500 mil on an expenditure of 400 mil. Yes, they need 800 mil to break even, that means if they make 500 mil in box office, they will have actually grossed 250 mil (assuming they get half the box office revenue), leaving them 150 mil short, not 500 mil.
How can it lose $500M if you only spent $400M (your numbers)? They have already pocketed about $140M. $250M to $300M loss is probably the upper end.
@@exhaustguy How have they "pocketed about $140M" when the movie is still in the red $150M? They spent roughly $400M to make it, it's only generated about $250M in revenue so far...which means they aren't pocketing anything...they're losing money. In order to "pocket $140M" or any amount they would have to exceed the $400M they spent making it...
With all the reshoots and extensive advertising...I'm hoping it is going to be way way more...sooner they get destroyed sooner someone can fill that void.
@@zeked4200 I mean they have $140M in revenue from the box office to this point. I addressed the expense side in the post.
The best summation of Kathleen Kennedy is the Shakespear quote - "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned". She is driven by rage and spite for all the slights that she endured or imagined she endured during her time as an assistant to various directors that still burns as brightly now as it did 30 years ago. If ever forced out without a gigantic payoff of some kind she will gladly write a huge expose of all the things she saw going on during her time. She is the extinction level event that Hollywood is utterly petrified of.
Pure poetry, man. I cried a little at the end.... from laughing so bloody hard! 😂😂😂 The last sentence is epic. It deserves to be carved into stone somwhere in Holyshite. 😆
Az's Indy story was genius. Indy, short round and Mutt (Chris pratt) in a submarine, the three lads, on an adventure to find atlantis. It just sounded epic and fun. It's heartbreaking to see what we got as opposed to somthing made with love and passion.
Untill the sub IMPLODES!!!
@@josefpicken They could have used that! A single crack appears, then another, Mutt is freaking out, Short Round is trying to patch the cracks, Indy takes control and steers them to safety. Then as they escape, WHAM, the sub collapses in on itself.
Fate of Atlantis is honestly a good storyline and 200% better than anything created by lucasfilm writers for 10+ years
@@josefpicken That'll be in the trailer.
@@dennikstandard FOA is the unofficial 4th movie for sure (there are only 3) I did a playthrough recently and Indy on the search for Orrichalcum with Sophia against the Nazis, it is a fantastic game. I want it to have a remake, but just not from current day lucasfilm
I didn't think it possible, but KK and Lucasfilm found a way to lose money on BOTH a Star Wars movie and an Indiana Jones movie. Bravo KK, quite the accomplishment!
Never underestimate Disney’s incompetency.
They make the impossible possible.
“Where dreams and properties go to die”
-Satan/KK
"Where dreams... become nightmares."
@@trolleriffic💯💯
I haven’t seen a movie in theaters since ghostbusters 2016. My daughter and her moms family are more mainstream. I was over there watching the super bowl with my daughters family and my ex wife’s family. (1st ex wife, she’s not so bad. Don’t get me started on ex #2) when the Indy V trailer came on and everyone (even the 85 yr old grandparents) looked baffled. Several people said “why do we need a new Indiana jones movie?” Another said “that looks stupid.” Keep in mind these were all “normies” who aren’t paying attention to culture war stuff. Also every single person there were fans and had seen the first three movies.
You saw Ghostbusters 2016 in theaters?! You poor thing! Were you forced to go?
"why do we need a new Indiana jones movie?" - This is a question for the ages. It should have been answered after IJ-IV.
I want every movie that follows the 'Remember your yesteryear hero? We depantsed him and replaced him with an annoying girl!' method of storytelling to bomb so bad it crashes the studio. normalize this
Well, clearly, you are a misogynist then! 😅
Attacking customers is good. They *owe* the corporation their money. And they don't get to decide what is canon material to them.
I hope it doesn't come for Link...
I recently was eating dinner at Applebees and at the end when our check came the waiter says “There is a free movie ticket here for you.”
It was a free ticket for Indiana Jones.
My wife and I just looked at each other and laughed.
Man that's f hilarious! 😂😂😂
I keep seeing the media outlets trying to say this indiana jones movie is somehow better than temple of doom and it's funny seeing them lie in real time
Who says something like that???
Even Crystal Skull is better than Indy 5.
Better than Crystal Skull at times? Sure, but better than even Temple of Doom? Nah, the film has its issues for people but given what inspired it it does make sense.
Temple of doom was a weak ass movie, but its a million miles better than dial of dystopia
Just this morning a co-worker of mine said that it was better than Temple of Doom. He's a lib so now I know where he got his opinion from.
KK has done a masterful job doing exactly what she was tasked to do. No doubt, she also has a lot of receipts about major players in Hollywood to maintain her position as destroyer.
The comment about disbanding the EU and then using elements from the EU for their new stuff, passing it off as their own, is EXACTLY what KK is doing, and has been from the beginning.
I'm currently reading the old EU New Jedi Order books, and The Resistance was a thing there, and the circumstances under which it was formed are very similar to what we got in the Sequels.
Screw Disney Lucasfilm.
If you were to travel back in time 42 years to the year 1981, and tell George Lucas and Steven Spielberg that the *fifth* Indiana Jones movie would earn over 255 million dollars at the box office, they'd say:
"WOW That's a lot of money in 1981!"
Also, if you told Spielberg that Kathleen would eventually rise through the ranks from coffe lady to chief producer of Lucasfilm and would eventually derail the franchise I would love😅 to see his reaction
@@samwalker6653 I'm sure he'd look over at her on set, just as she spills coffee on somebody and then tries wiping it off their pants with some pages torn from today's script, and he'd say:
"Yeah, I can see that happening."
@@atomicdancer 😭
My bold prediction is that Sound of Freedom will eclipse Indy 5 at the box office. A $15M movie casually thrown in the trash by Disney will out earn the most expensive Lucasfilm movie ever made. Wow.
Do I think it'll have a higher total overall? Probably not, it's just not being shown enough places.
Now is it making more money relative to budget? Yeah, it's not gonna cause debt.
@@1stCallipostle It's approaching five million pay it forward tickets alone. That's $75 million just in prepaid tickets alone. Add in how people like Trump are putting the spotlight onto it and it's likely to remain strong for some time.
@@kleindropper Very strong showing, yes.
But I can't see something with a $15 million opening crossing the $250 million barrier when only like a quarter of theaters are showing it
It's simple: God wins over Child Diddlers.
@@1stCallipostleEven better, Fox spent 14.5 million to make it, Angel studios crowd funded 5 million to buy it from Disney. So they made it all back on 1st day and then some. So going forward it's all profit.
Thing is, they know what to do. Tom Cruise has been showing it to them twice at this point. They'd just have to pluck up the courage to admit they were wrong and turn the thing around, ask for some more traditional story. With all the critics around, they could even afford weak opening weekends. Once the word gets around that they got the message, people would come and watch.
dont think is that easy right now, i mean, why do we have to forgive them? just because they ask for forgiveness? no, they have been disrespecting us for a long time, and now an apology is simply not enough
If they did something like the idea I have seen around, sort of time travel story in Star Wars, where a lot younger Luke starts having visions of the sequel trilogy future, warns Leia, there is a new sequel trilogy having some elements of the already done sequel trilogy but all of it is changed, and the first two movies happen a lot earlier with younger Luke, Leia, and Han fighting to prevent the rise of the new order or whatever it was called, and to keep Ben Solo from falling to the Dark Side - that part might even have some appearances of Anakin's Force ghost. But the very last might have Mark Hamill playing very old Luke (because he is probably the only original actor they might be able to get, if he is still alive) maybe giving the reins of the Jedi Academy to somebody younger, something similar to the scene in the very ending of the very first Star Wars movie. They might even use the actors from the sequel trilogy in the last movie, but playing very different Finn, Rey, and Ben Solo, preferably with some added new characters, like maybe Ben's younger sibling, Luke's child with Mara Jade, and so on.
A movie like that, even if not a masterpiece but just sort of well done, might very well be enough to save Star Wars.
But I presume there is zero chance of that happening.
Ideologists are like poltiicians. They would rather continue towards certain doom, than admit they were wrong in the first place, and change direction.
“Now I have become woke, the destroyer of Lucasfilm…I suppose we all felt that way, one way or the other.”
- Kathleen Kennedy
A brilliant bit of imaginative appropriation my good man!! Hizzah!
Yes, she has nuked Disney
The difference here is Oppenheimer despaired for humanity, and Kennedy is probably thrilled and proud.
Star Wars episode IX actually probably LOST money. There is evidence they cooked the books on it by underreporting production and advertising costs. (Or shifting those costs to other projects... it's been noted that several times they talk about the profitability of the sequel trilogies as a whole when asked about how much eps IX made.)
Well spotted. Something to remember about things like official statements and marketing materials is that what they don't say is often as important (if not more so) than what they do talk about. Leaving out details like box office revenues for individual films within a trilogy, or only releasing viewer numbers for the premier of a new show/new season is a good indication that they're trying to hide bad news. Another trick is the use of overly-specific metrics - Velma is a great example, having been described as a success on the basis that its premier had the largest audience ever for an animated show debuting on HBO Max. In other news, I ran the fastest ever 100m... at 11:15 on a rainy Tuesday morning in April 1993.
My cinema was packed laist night, for MI7 I poked my head around door to see Indy 5, the cinema was empty.
You can only "deconstruct" a character when they can successfully construct a character of their own first.
Something I never quite realised before is that Lucasfilm is not a company like Disney Pixar that comes up with new ideas. It is literally just a license to make movies based on existing Lucasfilm properties and of those there is really only Star Wars, Indy and Willow. So there is honestly nothing else they can make now that theyve done those. They thought it would be a great investment because those few properties belonging to Lucas could be spun out in to endless movies but they really can't. Maybe with talented producers at the helm ot could have but as it is they have exhausted every possible avenue of possibilities.
I never fully realized that until now either. Lucasfilm doesn't put out new ideas, new movies. They literally only have 3 franchises. And they ruined all 3. They're fucked now.
Don't forget Howard the Duck--it was a Marvel/Lucasfilm project, IIRC. They could team up! Saving the best for last! Right the sinking ship with their current most valuable IP!
Don’t forget about ILM (industrial light & magic) they were and always have been on the forefront of pushing the boundaries for practical effects and CGI. LucasFilms was mainly a production technical company with THX as the sound division. George Lucas used his profits to build these subdivisions to help push the boundaries of all the movies we know and love today. I’d recommend watching the ILM documentary it’s mind blowing.
@@MrBrachiatingApe And they could never make a good one, because he's kind of sleezy.
Did the rights to the LucasArts video games come with everything else, or were those sold separately? Are we going to get a Monkey Island movie or animated Indiana Jones based on the old games or something equally awful?
Car crash happened in TLJ, Rise of Skywalker was just a slow-mo of the wreck cartwheeling more times than Bond's Aston Martin in Casino Royale.
Also, the catering budget, if they indeed managed to make Battlestar Galactica, one of the best pieces of a television ever put out there, for less than they spent on grub for Mandalorian production, there's no way of saying this, they seriously don't know how to spend money properly. I don't think that BSG cast was being seriously skimped on in terms of catering.
Battlestar Galactica for sure knew how to present basically a slow chase story like TLJ. That episode was brilliant.
@@_Feanor_. 33
Lets see how Kathleen Kennedy deals with the reality that Indy 5 is going to be one of the greatest box office disasters of all time
You'd hope there would be some kind of reality check, but I doubt it will even make a dent. Her Ego's not for turning.
@@shadowjack239 Her way of thinking will be why blame myself when I can blame the audience
Oh, you mean how evil racists have attacked that movie, and how there needs to be more censorship to stop that happening again? How there needs to be more mandatory ESG imposed on all companies so no-one can make any other movies than woke stuff, so there's no competition for woke stuff?
You need to learn how these leftists think: nothing is their fault, it's only attack, attack, attack!
Wasn't Waterworld a bigger flop?
@@davidsummer8631 You got it. Common behaviour for this kind of person.
Sound of Freedom has also displaced Indy, in addition to Insidious and Mission Impossible.
There is no company a strong independent feminist can't bring down.
Amazing what she accomplished. She shattered the glass ceiling and made the entire company drop to the ground level. If that's not the most perfect example what diversity hiring vs merit hiring accomplishes. I don't know what is.
A "strong independent" Feminist can't bring down a masculine company. You mean there's no woke company, or some other addage, that she can't bring down. If there has ever been an argument that females are only good for maids and secretaries then this feminism experiment has been it
It’s Bud Lites all round at Lucasfilm.
Thing is she's not strong, independent, or a feminist. That's what's so hilarious and sad about it. All of these people are pretenders.
Yup! Just ask Alyssa 'Hapsburg' Heinersheid!
One of the main reasons things turn to shit, in entertainment just like in politics, is the lack of accountability. Whether its by design, malice or by sheer stupidity, the elites have managed to retain power despite only working for themselves, and not for the rest of us like they're supposed to
The more I learn about hollywood and politics, the more I realize a lot of this lack of accountability starts at the ground level. People like harvey Weinstein had 16 personal assistants, literally all of who have said they either experienced his rapeu behavior, or had to turn a blind eye to it to keep their jobs. 16 people one after the other who were in a position to gather evidence of a serial rapist and sex offender, all women, and turn it into the police but chose to do nothing and often help coerce the women into meetings/hotels because ‘I wanted to keep my job’. That level of personal thought and moral bankruptcy is everywhere today. Its why there is such little accountability. Because people don’t want to risk their jobs over stopping a sexual predator, or gathering evidence of someone blatantly breaking laws.
They're ALL thieves.
It's amazing to see that Kathleen Kennedy can turn anything into a multi million dollars company!
"Why make billions when you can make.... millions!!"
It's called Capitalism!
@@markkavanagh7377 capitalism requires endless growth in profit to be called success. Lucasfilms on other hand went from billions to millions in less then a decade. What ever is their motivation in making those movies and streaming shows is not for end goal of profits, it's for "THE MESSAGE".
Kennedy simply set out to have the movies of her vision made. She does not care if they flop, just simply there set in stone to influence any curious minds for all times.
Multi million dollars company? Just give her a multi billions company!
If consequences existed for her she would’ve faced them half a decade ago. She’s got something on somebody. She’s untouchable.
I'm putting money on her having a copy of the Epstein black book somehow, given that she was there during the shelving of the sound of freedom...
Boy oh boy, you're onto something...
I live in a small town. Our theatre has like 6 screens, and Dial of Destiny was in 2 of them. I went on the second Friday night and there were six people total. There was a 20-something couple that walked out after 45 minutes.
"There was a 20-something couple that walked out after 45 minutes" Obviously, they were so moved by the experience they couldn't bear any more . . . .
I’ve never walked out of a movie theater. The only time I was close was when Luke died in Last Jedi. The movie was almost over so I decided to just watch the remaining 10 minutes
Good as they should 😂 once again Kennedy had all sorts of concepts to draw from and threw tjem out the door so one of her secret lov- sorry good friends could be her weird Indy replacement 😂😂😂
@@superjlk_9538 I wanted to walk out watching Rise of Skywalker.
😂😂😂😂
I saw it on the 4th of July...which was also a 5 dollar tuesday. Based on this combo I was expecting Indy to be PACKED. There were...4 of us...including mom. Total. In the whole matinee showing.
I don't think KK will be fired. I think Disney won't renew her contract, and KK will announce her retirement at some point next year, and the legacy media will praise her for her accomplishments.. or something like that
She’s a raging narcissist; she has nothing else and so will fight to stay
She did it for feminism and woke ideology, she forgot the wisdom "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
They are rehire Bob Iger so I doubt anything will change.
Pretty much cause Hollywoods ran by a bunch of old farts desperate to protect their legacy. And despite their fears they should find a way to fully declaw Kennedy so she cant come back but wont. Cause they rather protect their golden legacies and let anything racy things die with them Kennedy and their victims or illgotten money or drugs or what have you
@@fosphor8920 Thing is she did it in the most "evil white woman way" too.
Her feminism was this "strong female" that we all know is just sexist. It isn't for equality at all, and it's a twisted version of it. She only elevated specific body types and personalities while casting aside others or not representing them. She was behind the heavily sexist "The Force is Female" push that alienated the male fanbase, and their own female partners from the franchise.
The woke part is also done wrong too. There isn't a single POC in these films that are elevated at all. Finn easily could have been a kick-ass black stormtrooper-turned-Jedi or Han-Solo type where he has conflicts with his new life and his older upbriging. We would have loved that, a unique black character that doesn't rip off anyone, and gives us a unique look into Stormtroopers. That. Is. Awesome. Worldbuilding and the potential for these guys to be more than cannon fodder is dope. We bonded over goddamn ROGER ROGER! droid we'll love a kickass black guy that also isn't just a Sam Jackson clone either.
We didn't get that, and John Boyega has gone on record multiple times after leaving Disney to say that POC lines and scripts were lessened so their White Heroes could be higher. He's correct too, we all know Kathleen made Rey the hero and overshadowed everyone else, and really started to focus on the Luke and Kylo thing. Finn was cast aside with Poe, Oscar Issac (Latino actor known for breaking stereotypes) was used to make Holdo (a white woman) more powerful. Kelly Marie Tran had such a shit script people went after her for being told to say shitty lines and "destroying" Finn's story (fault of Disney).
So her feminism only benefits white women of a certain type and she actively uses real social justice issues to elevate her own views. Then you guys get mad at her, tell her she's "woke". She uses POCs as a shield to appease to feminism, solidifying her base in an attempt to keep her job. Remember that she's an evil bitch that uses others and is absolutely willing to exploit to achieve her goals, she isn't even doing the thing right that you are accusing her of, and that's by design.
Going to the movies for the first time since Mario this am. Walking past Indy and seeing Mission Impossible. I reckon I’m one of millions doing the same this week.
You know a podcast discussion is good when a 12 minute video feels like it goes by in 4 or 5 minutes.
I watch these at 2x speed so for me it was shorter than the ads
I keep forgetting youtube has ads. Gotta love Brave.
I actually already seen a report of them cutting screens for Indy 5 yesterday. And to add insult to injury they ADDED screens to Sound of Freedom.
They should do "The Muppets: Star Wars" and it's basically the Rey script, but Daisy Ridley is the only live actor. I'd watch that.
isnt Rey the greatest muppet of them all?
Don't give Disney anymore ideas, although Muppets Haunted Mansion was pretty solid...actually you know what Disney should just work on Muppetizing all of their IP. Muppet Little Mermaid, Muppet Frozen, Muppet Avatar, Muppet Star Wars, Muppet Indiana Jones, Muppet Willow, Muppet Marvel! Muppets-Endgame! That's it I am HYPED!
@@GLJosh DONT GIVE THEM IDEAS!!! They are doing nothing with the Muppets as such, they are running on empty with the live action remakes. I just saw the pictures from the live action Snow White and what the dwarves are replaced with. It looks like a bunch of sad cases that have wandered out of a medieval night club. Muppet based remakes of more Disney films is the last thing we need...the Muppets are funny...leave them alone!
@@purefoldnz3070 hey hey hey, leave the Muppets alone, they are talented and funny, and they have a character arch, unlike Raisy Didley!
@@wilfredoUbatuba but they both act like a hand is up their arse.
“She shouldn’t be in charge of a Starbucks” if anyone put her in charge of a Starbucks her brilliant idea would be to stop selling coffee and start selling a wide variety of bottled water.
didn't Indy have a ton of reshoots? Can you imagine how bad the original version of Indy 5 was?
@@mikestand8067 Or a film like Predator (that awful new one) where they had to reshoot the entire third act because it wasn't shot in the dark, and therefore not scary enough - from an interview: "I take this on me, but when I saw the footage that was shot during the day - which was the climax of the movie - the Predator just didn't look right. It just didn't look scary in the daytime. The we decided to streamline the plot and concentrate on the scarier elements that would let us do the reshoots at night. The difference is literally night and day."
@@rpcheesmanI enjoyed Prey. Best Predator movie after the first.
@@steven20653 i think he means the one before prey, where they turned autism into a super power
@@mikestand8067They don't do reshoots because they need a new ending though, that was confirmed by John Williams and Harrison Ford
During reshoots, they filmed several alternate ending sequences for the movie, and went with the one test audiences disliked the least. (I remember hearing that the 'best' one had an audience approval rating somewhere around 30-40%.)
I remember going to see the original Michael Keaton "Batman" film back in the early 90's IIRC; it was INSANE the amount of interest and hype built up around that movie when it came out, so we didn't even bother to go see it for a couple weeks or so after it was out... decided to skip the long lines and sold out seats and all that... even after a few weeks, the theaters were STILL packed and we did good to get good seats. I still remember to this day, though, because we were sitting behind a Mexican family, all the parents, grandparents, and kids all lined up in the row in front of us. Evidently the dad was the only one in the family who spoke English, because he sat between his wife and parents and translated every line in the movie into Spanish for the rest of the family's benefit... was rather annoying hearing Michael Keaton saying, "I'm Batman!" and then the guy in front of us in hushed tones saying "Soy Batman!" with every line in the film... LOL:) Still it was a good movie, and really set the stage for all the other comic book and superhero movies that came out since.
THAT is what a blockbuster film looks like... Now they produce these bloated CGI projects and spend hundreds of millions on it and just EXPECT people to show up and plunk down their money no matter how terrible it is, and turn it into a money printing machine for them. They don't have a clue...
If they released "Smokey (The Critical Doggo) and Dog Bed of Dreaming" and all it was is Smokey sleeping, that would be more exciting and watchable than Indiana Jones and the Drool of Boredom.
Drool of boredom. Alright you got me
Kurtz was likely misremembering what the "prequels" were going to be. Lucas changed his mind a lot, but there are notes from the 70s and interviews from at least when Empire was coming out where Lucas talked about filming the story of Anakin and Obi-Wan during the Clone Wars, and even Hamill talked about those films before he knew the Vader twist, saying they were about Vader fighting Luke's father and that maybe Anakin could have been cloned and come back. There is a document from when Lucas was still figuring out what Empire would be where Lucas has what became Episode 4 listed as "Episode 6." Episode 1 was listed as a "Prelude" and could be the Jedi origin story Kurtz remembered, 2-4 were listed as the "Clone Wars" trilogy, and 5 was listed as an "Epilogue/Prologue" before the original film listed as Episode 6. By the time Empire came out he firmly set it as Episode 5 and the original movie re-released as Episode 4, meaning 1-3 would logically have to be the Anakin and Obi-Wan trilogy Lucas and others always talked about.
I swear Kennedy must have Iger's nudes, either that or she's really kept quiet about all the seedy stuff she's seen as a woman in Hollywood. How else can she still have a job?
She must have dirt on EVERYBODY 😂
She probably hired Weinstein's former assistant just for getting dirt on anyone trying to get rid of her.
This is the only logical conclusion.
She does exactly what BlackRock wants from her, woke propaganda. Money is irrelevant for these people.
I was thinking the same thing
They can always roll out Rian's trilogy to save themselves. He did redefine cinema after all. We know this because they've said so. A LOT.
Bob Iger was in CNBC yesterday and basically said there’s a sale for every non-core asset within Disney. So Lucasfilm, ESPN, and a lot of other assets are available to anyone for the right price. They’re probably willing to sell ABC and Marvel if they right people put in their bid
Ehhhh. I don’t think they’re willing to sell Marvel…yet. If the new Avengers movies don’t reach a billion, I think it’s possibly and very likely that they downsize their production of MCU content.
Star Wars is definitely on its way out. I don’t see Disney holding onto this franchise and continually making content for the next 20 years. The sequel era has no room for stories because they destroyed everything that mattered. So they can only look backwards at better movies and content created by better people
I don’t think they want to sell Marvel, but if Apple or Amazon came down with a big enough check and we’re willing to buy Lucasfilm and ESPN alongside it, they would probably take the money and run.
they wont sell Lucasfilm, that is never gonna happen.
@@KilliK69 why? Because in last 10 years its profits were on downhill.
I've been saying it for a long time now - someone needs to ask Elon Musk to buy it with fan support. What a ride that would be...
Bob Iger just said in his interview with CNBC that they're 'pulling back' from film production. The gist of what I got was they're going to try to sell off movie franchises and their own film 'products' to other streaming platforms. Perhaps that means Disney+ might eventually go away.
Yes what Franchise will Kathleen Kennedy destroy next? Are there any left?
Not Kennedy but theyre currently coming for Narnia
So not *that* many
I think LucasFilm is out or gas now, they didn't actually have that much to start with, just a handful of gems.
Howard the Duck and Radioland Murders.
Howard the Duck?
BlackRock dropped their ESG ratings a few weeks ago. DEI hires are getting fired left and right, right now.
The next couple of years will be fascinating. I'm expecting them to make "neutral" movie to try and not piss their remaining "fans" (ie. leftists).
Leftists will start boycotting them for lack of racism.
If you want to destroy woke companies, soon will be the best time to pretend on Twitter that you're woke and each time a company makes a non-woke product, you fuel a woke outrage on their page.
They won't be able to try and please non-leftists right away. There will be at least a couple of years where they'll try to get the non-leftists back SLOWLY while still being afraid of the left.
If you want woke companies to suffer, this will be the best moment to strike.
As a prequel fan, this is a really sad yet happy event.
I replaced watching movies with watching Critical Drinker and Pitch Meetings. At least it's still fun that way
It's super easy, barely an inconvenience.
@@whatduck943 yea yea yea
Watching critical drinker and pitch meetings instead of movies is tight.
"Hey, he's from that movie that made money for us!"
Sooo
You got a RUclips comment for me?
Lucasfilm has an ace-in-the-hole. They can revive the fan base with a remake of the Star Wars Christmas Special!
Dont disturb canon ha
The only way to make a Starwars Movie for 50 Million is to let it be directed by Tarantino and be about 5 Criminals in a Cantina talking about Oolas Tentacles.
The sad thing is, this would probably be better than the Kenobi show.
Obi Wan Kenobi in the house? My Jedi. Get yo ass over here.
@@devlinallistair-zx5by Why do I now imagine Obi-Wan as Captain Koons? "The way your dad looked at it, this light-saber was your birthright. He'd be damned if any Jawa's gonna put their greasy little hands on his boy's birthright, so he hid it, in the only place he knew he could hide something....." 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@bradevans7935 Cuz you're sick like the rest of us ✊️
11:05 I imagine a picture where Kennedy is walking away while saying "My work here is done", behind her the logos of "Star Wars", "Indiana Jones" and "Willow" are all on fire while the chopped heads of every male hero lying on the ground...
The fans stole Indiana Jones 5's box-office revenue.
Now that's capitalism...🙃
Lol
My girlfriend's son went to see this film. There were only seven people in the theatre, two walked out. He told me the pacing was dreadful. Lucas film needs to be sold to someone who actually knows what they're doing😢
I'm upset it even made 250 million!!! On the bright side writers and actors are on strike and it looks like it's going to be long term!!!!
If we keeping it 100, some of these writers don’t even deserve a job
That would be great. KK's successor: "We'll show your characters and ideas every bit as much respect as you showed George's characters and ideas..." Cut to closeup of KK's face, the blood draining from it, fade to black.
The catering budget for the Sound of Freedom allowed for all the black coffee you could drink (no cream and sugar) and all the cast and crew had to bring their own sack lunch.
we gon have to start accounting for catering costs in our box office discussions now lol
I live in a tiny rural town of about 1,000 people. We have one positively ancient single-screen movie theater. I can always tell how good or how bad a film is doing by how long it stays in that theater. The average is about a week. A movie that does really well might stay in that theater for two weeks. Dial of Destiny? Three days. Even that god-awful Little Mermaid movie made it to four days before they tossed it out, but not Indiana Jones. Truly pathetic.
I can't help thinking that the storyline came from someone's wet dream of a Back to the Future remake. The bumbling old man accidentally taking a bright young woman into the past, and she has to fight to drag him back. So since they couldn't do that, they mixed it with an Indiana Jones storyline
Interesting you being up Back To The Future because the scene at the end where Helena is pleading with Indy to go back with her to their own ti.e felt like a re-write of the same scene between Marty and Doc in Part III when Doc wants to stay in the past with Clara. The difference is that Doc realizes Marty is right. In Indy 5, Indy gets slugged and dragged back unconscious. I wonder if the end would have been better if Indy, like Doc realizes for himself that he must go back.
KK will go down in film history as 1: The person who destroyed Lucasfilm franchise in just over a decade, 2: Blew the biggest opportunity in Star Wars history, by NOT having the 3 veteran actors - Hamill, Fisher and Ford appear in ONE scene together in The Force Awakens, 3: Destroyed all the male 'legacy' characters and reduced them all into bumbling side-kicks!
Based.
If she were a football manager she'd have been sacked about 10 times by now
"You shouldn't be in charge of a Starbucks, let alone Star Wars" was RIGHT THERE and drinker whiffed it
Sad
So far, she’s done everything she’s been paid to do and done it with flair. She’ll probably get a raise.
Management is never wrong.
Blackrock and vanguard are happy with her results
I called it that Indy 5 wouldn't break $300M. Disney out of spite might drag Indy's corpse across that by keeping it in theaters for 6 months like they are doing with The Little Blackface Mermaid.
My first time seeing Raiders of the Lost Ark in Australia in 1981 when I was 13 the cinema was packed to the rafters and it stayed that way for months and months. In fact it was still showing at our Cinema City in Perth well into 1982 and the cinema was still way more than half full. I seen Raiders there at least 25 times in that cinema. It was there for more than a year. What the fuck went wrong with Indiana Jones?
Kathleen Kennedy
Jorge Lucas.
People didnt take advantage while they could, came to regret it, and it has greatly backfired on them. Sorta like with Uncharted they eventually stopped making games cause it got too “hard” for them to research and do interesting stories. But I would be down to see Ethan Gage films for sure
Disney, Kathleen Kennedy, Lucas and Spielberg dropping out, H Ford is old...like 80 years old. Thats what went wrong. And they never needed another movie, it was fine with three, the Crystal Skull was bad enough. I am just amazed they thought another one was a good idea after the fourth was more or less rejected by everyone and Ford was too old even then.....
@@Simon-xc5oyFord may be old, but he didn't have to play Indy as old. I would have expected Indiana Jones, of all people, to refuse to acknowledge his calendar age. He has a particular set of skills, and those don't go away. I am four years past the age of 70, which Indy supposedly would be in 1969, and I could do all the things I always did, with only a few more 'oh my aching back' breathers. I still do. That's what I found insulting, along with the idea that I would need some insufferable young 'strong' woman to tell me what to do.
My in-laws came into town and wanted to pay for them, me and my family to see DOD. These are my initial thoughts:
1) I feel like I want to “unsee” this movie, but that’s impossible.
2) This is the only Indiana Jones film to be mean-spirited.
3) I waited almost two hours to see Indy dispatch the main baddy’s henchmen (especially the one with the mustache, killing just about everyone with a soul) and he fucking dies in the plane crash.
4) Marion went from constant stoner smiley face in KOTCS to ending the entire 5movie franchise chastising Indy…complete bullshit.
4) knowing KK wanted this to be the Temple of Doom replacement makes me want to rewatch the real TOD, and forever more hold it shoulder to shoulder to ROTLA and TLC.
5) I did not fall for the “well, where doesn’t it hurt” schtick, nor Sahllah’s singing the “boat song”…nope, nope, nope.
6) the main adversary is a good actor, but was wholly uninteresting in this role.
7) “it’s all about mathematics “…what the Hell does that mean. Then makes a gross miscalculations at the last moment.
8) Indiana Jones movies always have a couple/few satisfying kills. We got ONE, when discount Short Round causes the second henchman to drown. Again, why couldn’t that have been handled by Indy?
9) Indy gets shot in the chest (shoulder?) and acts annoyed and becomes consigned to die.
10) SHIT movie.
Keeping with the Phoebe Waller Bridges spirit-You could always follow it up with Indy 6-this time written and co-starring the equally talented and privileged 'celeb', Jack Whitehall. That should turn things around.
KK is bulletproof, so they probably will do a spin off with PWB
@@NoName-eo2mv I'm sure KK and PWB want to... but even Iger isn't crazy enough to spend money on something it's OBVIOUS nobody wants. He knows quite well that the only way KK gets butts in seats is by tricking them.
It seems clear by now that Kennedy must have an ironclad clause in her contract that she _can't_ be fired; she has to step down voluntarily.
The discussion in this video at 9:50 reminded me of the situation in 2012 when Lucas handed Lucasfilm over to Kennedy. He probably put the clause in her contract protecting her job because he wanted to be certain that he could rely on her to stand up for him and his decisions against Disney interference. He'd written treatments for the entire sequel trilogy and wanted to remain creatively involved.
The fact that she then kicked him out and threw away his story treatments probably haunts him to this day. He handed her the keys to the kingdom and the first thing she did was exile him.
Sometimes I wonder how he feels about all this. People in such positions, they can't really afford to say the truth out loud but I wonder if you had him in a room, by himself, asked his opinion about what was done to his works if he'd say "They murdered it, they have no talent."
And the golden sight for "the best killer of franchises" goes to Phoebe Waller-Br for "Indiana Jones"! /Applause/
KK great job. Disney killing itself softly))
The way Smokey is lying there in the beginning of the video is basically my vibe 24/7 lol That dog is adorable.
You know it's bad when Applebee's is giving away free tickets when you buy appetizers
Not bad enough we see Indy 5 we gotta eat at Applebees too 😂
A Rehashed movie from a place with microwaved food
For real 😂?
I can almost guarantee that if I walked into Lucasfilm today to propose an idea for a movie based around K.O.T.O.R. - abosultely nobody there would know what I was talking about.
She must HATE her family! I figure that an extremely RICH woman in her 70s would want to spend some time at home with her Grandchildren? It must be nice having a job that you NEVER want to retire from! Though I suppose hanging out with movie stars on film sets is more fun than playing with kids or changing diapers... I mean, I'm not even 50 yet and already can't wait until I can quit my job!
I just checked at the nearest theater: 7PM showing of Mission Impossible --> 29 seats purchased; 7PM showing of Indiana Jones --> 0 seats.😆
Well, they gave her award to the music director. That still gives me a "tingle up my leg" when I remember her being escorted away by her husband!
Iger just secured a 5 year CEO contract. Do you think that he has been waiting to fire KK until after this contract was secure? could KK have some leverage with the board that she could hold over Iger's head - so Iger played the long game focusing on the CEO contract, now that this is completed, he could move against KK? What do you think of that theory?
They should totally remake the star wars holiday special for a modern audience.
Whip stir whip stir whip whip whip stir...
Itchy still watches pornography in front of his family but it’s gay interracial pornography.
I saw it yesterday and the theatre was full.
The force is clearly not with them!
Perhaps it dislikes being misgendered?🤔
He he
The force is on its periods
KK getting the treatment Lucas got from here would be poetic as hell.
What’s the best way to make a multi-hundred million dollar franchise? Hand a multibillion dollar franchise to KK
The ONLY reason the last Trilogy made any money at all is because there was such a gap for Star Wars the people were starved for it and they assumed it was going to be good, instead it steadily declined, it SUCKED it will always suck. That was self-evident by the fact that Disney hasn't done well with their SWs rides and their hotel bombed after a few months of being open.
The number of theaters showing Indiana Jones Dial of Destiny at my local cinema multiplex is down by a LOT! Right now it shows like maybe 8 times in a day and only in standard theaters. In a few days it will be showing only 6 times per day. Within two weeks Indiana Jones Dial of Destiny no longer appears in any of the viewing options! I looked at the sold seat count siting at 8 people. The sold seat count for Indy never rises to half the seats sold in even the smallest theaters. Some theaters actually play to screening rooms full of empty chairs more often than not. I had a biker friend who told me he was in a 50+ seat theater alone for his Indiana Jones: Dial of Destiny. He left after getting tired of what he called that horse faced Mary Sue! Indy 5 is a DUD!
Women like her who bloody determined to have this way or no are never going to give over. They will throw that little marble of power around until throws the jacks and gets her out of the game permanently. 🍸
I was expecting IJ:DoD to make even _less_ at the box office than they are currently. I'm disappointed that it didn't bomb harder.
Did you go see it? These dorks all shitting on it did, so they've no room to complain.
I did my part, and NOT WATCHED it. Never will. Didn't see Solo or Rise of ReyWalker, either.
@@danjonmills Fuck no. I refuse to give Disney a single cent out of moral diligence, and I ain't keen to blow 2.5 hours of my life watching a pirated copy, either.
Actually some theatres are playing games. They show sold out for sound of freedom and the theatre is mostly empty. So they are preventing people from seeing it.
A parallel between Star Wars and Ren & Stimpy - when Nickelodean bought Spümcø, they scrapped half the R&S scripts and stopped re-running multiple episodes for being "too racy". After a poor reception of the post-acquisition shows, they dug through the archived and rejected materials and started making episodes from every script - even the ones that Spümcø themselves rejected - which were poorly received anyway because even though they returned to the original conceptual flair of the show, without the full staff present to properly execute the ideas they ended up the least liked episodes of the series.
@hobogardenerben Also; it feels like a quarter of everything takes places in the 40s and 50s - don't forget that the military industrial complex gives a lot of funding to Hollywood, and the last time the yanks showed up (late) to a war where they were definitely NOT the bad guys was WWII. They can tell heroic tales of good guys vs bad guys so long as they stick to the Nazis.
What really kills me is how they keep remaking and adding sequels to successful movies that were of their time and need no sequel or follow up or remake.
Meanwhile... new stories are happening all the time. Never mind writing original screenplays - just consider every book and play and short story and myth and fairy tale that's never been adapted to film before. As much as the Woman King was poorly executed, at least I respect that they did something different and told and untold story for once.
@@analogbunnyIf the military industrial complex is paying Hollywood for positive coverage these past few decades, they should demand their money back. What an insane take.
I appreciate your articulation. So many semi-illiterates out here.
@@analogbunny Woman king was ''poorly executed''?... dude it was a rewrite of actual history. You defending that sort of shit?.
Turning your cameras on would give this discussion a lot more credibility and gravitas.
you know its bad when free tickets for spending $30 at Applebees doesn't get you any more traction
She killed Star Wars, her only contribution was basically being a shitty secretary for Spielberg and Lucas back when she was younger and the moment she got in power she toppled a franchise that captured lighting in a bottle. Unbelievable hubris from that woman.
Let's just hope the rumours of recent events / big changes at Lucasfilm are actually true this time around and that she departs the scene along with her cadre of useless, woke writers and other activists who have ruined the company.
She'll depart, but all her cadre will be embedded for a very long time. Somebody new will have to come in, give them a bunch of busywork that doesn't go anywhere, hire new people to do all the real stuff, and then slowly squeeze the woke idiots out over the next decade by making a show of listening to but ignoring all of their input. And remember, it's not just the writers, it's the whole HR department, it's the casting staff, it's the Disney people who are going to be paying for and marketing whatever you do, so you're going to have to deal with idiots in the PR department telling your actors to spew woke nonsense at every chance they get so it's going to be very hard to claw back some kind of audience. And you're going to have to deal with the culture issues on set, where random nobodies think they can complain and demand and otherwise constantly disrupt your productions, and whine to the press when they don't get their way. You'll need to make sure you're hiring directors and producers who have the balls to fire people instantly, on the spot, just to scare the crews into keeping their mouths shut so you can get any work done at all.
IF some rumors, that i heard, are true, then she could be in REALLY big trouble. She's rumored to have diverted 200 - 300 million from other Disney projects into her own and should be already been fired and her company EMail adresses don't work anymore.
I would honestly say “the critical doggo” has the right idea for this whole conversation…🤣🤣🤣🤣
She's not done yet. She can still ruin old LucasArts properties-- Grim Fandango, Sam and Max, and Secret of Monkey Island! Just you wait.
god almighty. i hope this doesn't happen. those treasures need to be handled with care by a capable producer, who understands good storytelling, not by the old witch.
just imagine a Monkey Island movie set in the POTC universe. Guy Threepwood is a big fan of the legendary Caprain Jack Sparrow, and wants to become a pirate like him. At the end of the movie, he meets his idol played by Johnny Depp, in a surprise cameo.
Jack tells him: "I am assembling a new crew for some treasure hunting. and i heard that you are the fearsome pirate who defeated the evil LeChuck. interested?"
the end. then announce the sequel with Depp back as Jack in a new adventure with Threepwood.
As Jay Sherman taught us, so very long ago: "If the movie stinks, just don't go!"
Congratulations to her she’s got her 6th pay rise she’s now making 10 million a day and the first born child of the slowest editor
Personally, I think Filoni's movie is most likely to happen. He's the most popular with the fanbase, and his characters and TV shows seem to be the only thing that's kinda still carrying SW at the moment. It is a bit of a problem though with the more casual fans who don't know characters like Ahsoka Tano, Ezra Bridger, Sabine Wren or the Mandalorian. But between Dave's movie as opposed to a Rey film or James Mangold's SW movie, I think Dave Filoni's is the most likely to get made.