Most people who speak English outside of the United States pronounce the letter Z as “zed”. Try to remember the United States is not the center of the world.
We do NOT get paid, can’t even keep the product, and are NOT told what to say or restricted in any way. If it’s great I’ll say its great and if it sucks I’ll say it sucks. Half the brands hate me because of this. Idgaf if pioneer never sends me something again. I’m gonna tell my honest opinion and that’s it. If we got paid, we’d legally have to disclose it and post the video as a paid partnership.
you are 200% correct. standalones will always be a scam over a laptop and a cheap controller. the next level of scam is the corporate/proprietary software. switch to a platform like Mixxx and you can do things like: turn a 2-deck controller into a 4-deck, add stems controls to any controller, remap unused sections of your controller to totally different things, create whole new controller UX patterns like key combos and more all of these things are gated behind useless gates so they can keep selling you junk every 2 years. a controller for 2005 honestly still works the same as one from 2024. and the software should be free and in your control, as a performer. not on a box you have to wait for some company to upgrade. programmer here passionate about open software / hardware :P
Preach bro! Alpha Theta standalone units ARE NOT breaking new ground. Computer software is. Denon Engine is. Put those Pioneer jog wheels on a Denon unit, and it’s over. Or rock the SC6000-M’s with the motorized platters.
Here's the problem...Denon has terrible quality control...I chose the prime 4 over the original XZ for all the reasons everyone thinks... And the features are great... The software is amazing and keeps getting better... But the hardware is sub par and the build quality and quality control sucks... The faders are garbage and feel rough... The jogs on the prime 4 feel ok but aren't even and the LC6000 jogs are awful...I thought something was wrong with my first one so I sent it back and the second has the same issue... Pioneer just works and lasts
I get your perspective completely. I hope Denon gets their recognition of them being the true innovators the last 5 years, but the products and softwares around have their landmarks and impressions already. Kinda like how no matter what Samsung does ahead of time, Apple will still have a following (like me lol) to just buy Apple products because its better than the last, and the ecosystem making it smoother. I also agree how the Pioneer/AlphaTheta reviews always too polished, less candid for most reviews I see. I have to dig heavy for true critique reviews on Rane Performer and for REV 7 (positives comments always nice ofc, but im looking for the critique to know if it'll bother me too if i have it). It's always the smaller random review videos that tell some gripes, like for example the Rev 7's moving platters have a slight delay based on its attachment design compared to Rane's which is hooked onto it magnetically. I found that sort of critique to be crucial on improving the next lineup. Honestly comments sections kinda lay out the problems so I guess reviewers don't really NEED to say it cuz the ideas out there in the comments lol. I do feel like from Rane Four to Performer is the same upgrade level as from an XZ to AZ, just for different audiences. For the AZ, better late than never. It's crazy how the big reviewers are saying some features was exactly what was needed, but some never said any of it as a critique before the newer review itself like they're just holding it in. Kinda like you said politics to steer clear of hurting anothers feelings. Pioneer was such an awesome name btw, but AlphaTheta really just have that Apple product mentality and can wait it out as InMusic keeps pushing serious boundaries in DJ tech, but GRV-6 (groove circuit) got me thinking maybe they're softlaunching their many ideas onto their lower-mid products (REV5's Auto transition, FLX4's smart fader, etc), so when the CDJ 4000 is in order, its gonna be jam packed with features way over ours heads, hopefully. Maybe better stems than Serato in the 4000s idk. $4000 for 4000s for sure too.
It looks like a solid unit. It's overpriced by about $500. It's good for someone who wants (but can't afford) a club standard setup. It's really that simple. Honestly, they gave DJs what they asked for - layered, four-channel, on-deck mixing. This looks like a great piece of hardware, just a little overpriced. Nothing is perfect for everyone, but quite a few DJs will be very happy with this unit.
A lot of things wrong on this one. PioneerDJ/AT is one of the most diverse companies, the designs are based on feedback from worldwide DJs, not some Japanese dudes locked away from the real world. Louie Vega helped design the Euphonia for example....also, high end DJs are not travelling with equipment to gigs, if Mojaxx was booked to play somewhere with limited space the AZ might be on his rider, not in a flight case.Your right about the price /value proposition though, its pretty bad this time. My issue is they are marketing this as the same layout as 3000's and its nothing like them.
Lots of popular DJs have been enabling Alpha Theta formerly known as Pioneer DJ products this is why Alpha Theta can get away from so many things. It is time to teach them a lesson. Stop endorsing their products.
Neither. Denon was there first and they’re not innovative enough. The industry standard is sales speak from Pioneer. And it’s only “industry standard” because djs are too lazy to look at and request Denon hardware because they have to learn something new. Pioneer has been off the pace for the last 10 years and it’s time to switch back to Denon.
The market decided Pioneer is the industry standard and not the other way around. Stems on Denon's standalone was a failure. If Denon can't get stems to work good on their standalone then AlphaTheta won't be able to either. Fact is you won't see stems on standalone gear for a few more years as it takes a lot of ram and processing power.
I’m confused. No stand-alone has stems. All need to use computer still but yet everyone is saying colossal fail. I’m not defending alpha but the arguments all seem off. Just seems people want to complain. Same was said when XZ first came out yet sold 1000’s of units. Bottom line is dj’s perform so differently and there is a product that suits every style. Buy what makes most sense to you but the constant whining by most dj’s is so off putting.
@@djstucI'm not being hostile towards Denon as I firmly believe Pioneer/AlphaTheta would be 100% worse then they are now if there was no competition. Fact is the market (which is all of use "the consumer") decides who's #1. I''m not saying stems in a standalone will never happen. I'm saying we will need to wait a bit longer for it to happen.
Amen, brother, Alpha Theta isn't innovating any longer, just small incremental updates. Technics, Rane, Dennon, Vestax and Allen & Heath were the booth standards before Pionner. We didn’t see Pioneer until the CDJ & DJM 500s in 95. At the time they were the innovators but now rely on brand and software loyalty. Dennon, Reloop, Algorithm have superior technology.
Spinelli ,Cleveland terry used to criticize pioneer and denon and complaint no body sends them units now they receive units were turned into no so critics and a more balanced Critics .ok they don’t get pay but they get more views more fame .to be the first people pioneer sends products, they do serve a porpouse , to show the product and and overview it ,they slightly criticize it but then they bring up a positive like I hate atracts finger prints but you can easily wipe it lol. it’s great but we don’t need 5 overviews of the same product at the same time from major dj channels. Great admiration and respect for spinelli and terry
The letter “Z” in Queens English is pronounced “Zed.” Mojaxx and Phil from Digital DJ Tips have a lot of viewers, so I feel that their pronunciation of the model name is influencing how people are pronouncing it.
That's a good point. But there are people who were also born here in the United States that pronounce the word aluminum kinda like the Alley-oop basketball trick. Alley Oo Ma Numm. Flanger as Flang eer. I know people could say it's neither here nor there what difference does it make. But it is as some also like to say Enter- eesting lol.
The model name is pronounced in different ways due to accents in various regions. The letter "Z" is pronounced "zed" in some parts of the world. Just like we may say DJ "gear" and they may say "piece of kit." They also pronounce aluminum as al-la-min-e-um. As far as the stems go, I think the processing power of a built-in computer in the unit would have driven the price much higher. So the stem feature requires the user's own computer processing and it's no longer a stand-alone unit. Great video in terms of insight!
Alpha t They playing the apple Game slowly upgrading to keep you buying . I used the xdj x3 mostly as a controller with my computer and it was more problematic than a regular controller. because xdj is a computer and will take a little bit to load or will not communicate with my laptop.
Brother, totally off-topic.. What are your thoughts on living in AZ (no pun intended) in terms of COL and overall happiness? I'm overseas and trying to decide where to move to next when i return. Btw, I'm originally from Queens/Long Island myself!
lets be honest with bluetooth and wifi its designed for home users. Its IMO too big for mobile DJ's generally or bar gigs. I have the XZ its pretty much the same issue. I love my XZ and really don't consider the bigger screen an upgrade, yes there are some additions, but not too many users will be mixing 4 tracks on this, IMO
I believe there’s a marketing gap here. This product should fall under the PioneerDJ brand, not Alphateta. It seems the company wants to keep the PioneerDJ brand exclusive to professional DJs and festival organizers, which might explain the separation.
Denon DJ with Engine DJ ! And the Dj Pro AI!! Software. DJ is free upgrade . Make the Prime 6000 with stems capabilities. Goodbye Pioneer and Alpha Theta!
They had to save a feature or two for the AZ successor. As for the streaming options I would say that’s mostly dependent on software which can always be updated so I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re more options soon.
The only thing that keep me away from Denon as primary (I have a Prime Go and that shit is just awesome), basically because of the effects. Compared to Pioneer, they are simply not good (I am not absolute and may be wrong to some). The feel of the knob's and faders is definitely better in Pioneer, but that doesn't change my ability to play them. For me it's just the effects. Now the wash in denon is almost perfect!!!
Wow!, boy did you break it down in this video. Did they even bother to allow DJs to put in a large Ssd into the unit, holding masses of music, considering you can only stream from Beatport.
Zed is the British way to say Z. Its been almost 2 years since they released the opus quad and they still haven't released streaming capability like they promised.
Can you believe that after two years no streaming capability? I only rant with hopes that the products will only get better. I know Pioneer and maybe people that sell their products may not like what I say but at the end of the day I'm a working DJ.. if I'm going to pay premium for a unit I want to do more than anything else. And that's a fact!!
I’m glad I bought the Rane performer, the stem control in phenomenal. However, the small boards, like the FLX4 do so much so great, I wish they made a standalone that’s smaller to carry around like the Omni duo, but not cut a bunch of the features out, every controller should have stem control, and some good effects. Overall the small board such as the fl4 is much better than the big controllers for its value
Im not crazy about the the XDJ-AZ or anything, im STILL using the DDJ-SX2 and I am good with it even though I can't use STEMS but I'm comfortable doing LIVE remixes BUT it would interesting to use STEMS lol
I wish they would release an AlphaTheta desktop controller. Call it DDJ FLX1 and/or DDDJ Rev1. One version would be like Reloop controller while the other would be like Hercules or Numark but with FX paddles. Include stems on both of course.
To answer your last comment about who is this for. It’s for a rich bedroom DJ. It’s for touring dj’s who want something fun in their house or studio to mess around with when lounging around. Agree this is not a mobile dj’s first choice. It’s just too big and heavy. Put this in a flight case and it’s probably same weight as a 12 or 15 inch sub. It’s a niche market within alpha but there are a lot of hobby dj’s in 30’s and 40’s and heck even me in their 50’s who want a full club feel but don’t want to spend 7-10k. There are lots of people with lots of cash nowadays and they are banking on those. Not the 20 year old kid wanting to get into this.
I play in NYC quite a bit. I see the XZ in a lot of bars that actually own decks due to their lower cost compared to a pair of CDJ’s paired with a Nexus or A9 mixer. This is simply a replacement for that unit.
Fact is Bro, that there is no "on-board" STEMS on any controller which works as well as the software based version in Serato, and that's a fact. Any Controller based DJ, not separate CDJ 3000s and Mixer, is probably using Serato as his/her workhorse. STEMS in Serato is absolutely the go-to music separation option. DJ Pro has just dropped an updated version of it's STEMS software solution too. Seems like you have a bit of a beef with Alphatheta, probably because of the thing with your beef from yesterday 🤔
Next time you talk to Pioneer, ask who's the real designer and ask for him to be fired. Those people should talk to DJs and listen to them... instead of listening to sales persons. Not a single club or event will buy AZ, as they never bought an XZ. So if you state that clubs will always use CDJs, for the simple reason they need to be able to replace one unit during a set if something goes wrong (like a glass of alcool on it), then, who are they targeting ? Is the AZ enough so XZ owners will switch ? I don't think so. Will people with the 1000's, or the FLX (10) go for it ? I doubt They took 8 years to replace the XZ with a "cheap" CDJ-3000 duo and a striped mixed in one unit... nothing new, no improvements, just less !! Which makes me ask, how that 3000's and mixers cost SO MUCH when you can put the same thing in a 3000$ AZ ? (of course, you do that by using cheap everything inside...) Pioneer, go back to the drawing table and IMPROVE. That's how you entered the clubs at first ! If a computer can do live Stems, why not a standalone ? need a better CPU ? a better GPU ? They exist ! just decide to use it. Djs will pay 5k to get all those features that they don't have with a 12k$ setup (3000's+mixer). Same think for NI (Traktor)... you have the best software, just build some updated hardware !! Want to enter clubs ? want to make things change ? you're 80% there ! just invest a little more and take over dying Pioneer !
@@LightestEvening if I remember correctly, he said that the product was literally made in the USA, which I can assure you it is not. Though if he meant to say that executive offices then he should specify that. Pioneer has headquarters here as well but, they aren't made here. Nothing that's truly related to chipset manufacturing made on these levels is here in the USA. I get it if what he's trying to say was executive or product support.
‘Zed’ is how we say ‘Z’ across the pond, but from what I hear from younger generations in the UK, ‘zee’ is getting more common. Changing topic: I’m intrigued to see how Denon DJ strikes back. I’d much prefer a Prime 4+ over the AZ.
Gotta disagree with the idea that this is for mobile DJ's. This is definitely for the EDM people with aspirations of playing in clubs and getting used to club standard. Or new promoters who want the club standard but cant afford the entire setup yet. I would say the opus quad is more aimed at mobile djs
Yes, that's who it's for! That's how AT has marketed it. If you need the latest in stems and streaming you need a laptop. What standalone units from any company have stems as good as VirtualDJ or Serato? None that I know of. And if they do catch up, the software will just leap ahead again. Oh and PLEASE don't group EDM with House/Techno/Trance/Drum n bass.
@@mrbishi634 why would they not fall under the category of EDM if they're all examples of electronic dance music? I never understood people using EDM as it's own genre, I was always under the impression that EDM is all encompassing like Rock, rap and pop.
@@lightskinmongose IMHO what the video said is true for EDM as well as the old school electronic genres. But from the POV of growing up with DJing before the EDM boom in the 2010s, that acronym was first used during that time to refer to that style, and its roots are not related to the original underground electronic dance music. "EDM" had a commercial sound and was promoted to appeal to a different crowd. I've been out of the US for a while so there may be less of a gap now, but I can tell you for sure "EDM" was never a thing in Japan, although most genres that are electronic dance music have been.
I started my journey on Pioneer gear and still on it (UK),. But since the FLX 6 flop and that 'name change' and their pricing Pioneer seem to be on a decline! UP! To all "open format" DJ's!
Saying I nmusic has onboard stems in standalone is bull, inmusic anounced it but have never been able to get it to work in anyway that is “show ready “ As for claiming the other people who review pioneer gear I’ll pay for it but you review Denon gear and of unbiased it’s clearly hypocrisy is it’s finest
I disagree strongly about that streaming part. Are we as dj's not also educators/curators and NOT a jukebox? Streaming stops when the internet connection stops...The reason why only Beatport streaming allowed is simple; Beatport paid money to have exclusive rights. It's nothing more than killing competition with money. This has absolutely nothing to do with geographical regions and/or cultural reasons.
Kinda selfish to be gatekeeping the music for those you're tryna play for isnt it? Like if the crowd or those in it want a song and you're like nahhh i dont got it (but you do cuz of streaming) because its not fitting your vibe or your perception of the vibe, sometimes depending on circumstance too it could be offensive to exclude those tryna to participate in the experience. Not always ofc but just a thought
@@LightestEvening The trick is to come up with an alternative that people like more that the song that got requested. Really connecting with people as a dj is something else than being a jukebox.
Pioneer dj is the leader because they're gear is the most robust and reliable, not the most feature rich. AlphaTheta is changing much stuff and they don't feel pro consumer.. I hate subscription services and they're heading heavily in that direction
I think any innovation that Alpha Theta do have left in them, (which by the way doesn’t seem like much), they will be probably saving for the CDJ400s I mean they need a reason for us to by that when its out too right?
AZ is a cheaper version of the club standard also for festivals period. And that's for EDM lovers and professionals. The AZ wasn't created for that. So IDK why you're sitting talking about and comparing it to unlock everything with a laptop when that wasn't it's meant for. If you want that get a controller end of story.
Big rant . But….u making some serious points . No steps us a complete utter fail . Beat port another fail . So basically it’s a a really nice controller if u really wanna utilize it in an ideal way . Using it standalone you’ll suffer several drawbacks . Linker better off w an opus . Good video bro .
Over priced for sure 32bit sound is not enough , should have had 64bit like the V10 and two more screens like the OPUS . The AZ is hardly different to the previous model it replaced.
@@vtecvic9434 YES I AGREE THERE IS NO 64BIT . HOWEVER I AM DISAPPOINTED WITH THE XDJ-AZ . I WILL BE WAITING FOR NEW CDJ 3000 REPLACEMENT as its features are offered in controllers now hence it might be possible that a new CDJ is due with new and better features hopefully ?
1. is too dam expensive, and nothing wonderful about (az). 2.. culture difference might play a role, Japanese always use the delayed approach, however their USA region also plays a roll aswell. 3. a company will not throw all they eggs in one basket, needs to keep the production running. 4. dj product reviewers seems to had to put in some good words on pioneers new products, I think some of them will never really recommend it in reality. 5. why the Fck do you threy make a 4 channel controller, but you cant add additional units (grv6)
Streaming is not a fad, its the best way to prep for a set and try new songs before incorporating them into your mix. I use it all the time before an actual set. I listen to soundcloud on my drive to work, like songs, and then try em out when I get home. If I like em, I buy em, if it doesnt work in the set I am using, I save money and time like crazy because I dont have to buy it, download it, transfer it to my usb or mixer, then remove it when I dont need it. Also if I am streaming or doing a house party, I can get a song request and incorporate it within seconds. Just because I would never use it in a club doesnt mean its not useful. Not having soundcloud or even tidal in 2024 on a 3,200 dollar device is ridiculous. Especially when a 1,200 dollar device does it standalone.
A Zed lol. I agree why are they pronouncing things like this as with AZ? Hopefully it's not that constant obsession with Pronouns...maybe learn some basic Phonics lol just kidding. I agree about Tidal. It appears way more open format friendly. It has Diversity & Includes many different Genres - that I've had a hard time finding on Beatport maybe it's just me.
Alot of Rekordbox Users will probably agree with you... but where else can they turn when its all they have bought ? i mean thousands of pounds..... Alpha Theta need to pull their fingers out and just make their software BETTER... I mean Serato aswell even....
Most people who speak English outside of the United States pronounce the letter Z as “zed”. Try to remember the United States is not the center of the world.
Finally… truth 👊🏻
haha Zee is American. Zed is from latin and usually pronounced from European. 😅
We do NOT get paid, can’t even keep the product, and are NOT told what to say or restricted in any way. If it’s great I’ll say its great and if it sucks I’ll say it sucks. Half the brands hate me because of this. Idgaf if pioneer never sends me something again. I’m gonna tell my honest opinion and that’s it. If we got paid, we’d legally have to disclose it and post the video as a paid partnership.
U aint lying i heard u trash some products before 😂😂😂
Zed is UK/commonwealth/euro pronunciation of the letter "Zee".
AT is a European company.
If the US didn’t fuck up the English it wouldn’t be a problem. It’s pronounced Zed😂
@@ddetongre not my problem innit
@@usenamenotallowed innit
you are 200% correct. standalones will always be a scam over a laptop and a cheap controller.
the next level of scam is the corporate/proprietary software. switch to a platform like Mixxx and you can do things like: turn a 2-deck controller into a 4-deck, add stems controls to any controller, remap unused sections of your controller to totally different things, create whole new controller UX patterns like key combos and more
all of these things are gated behind useless gates so they can keep selling you junk every 2 years. a controller for 2005 honestly still works the same as one from 2024. and the software should be free and in your control, as a performer. not on a box you have to wait for some company to upgrade.
programmer here passionate about open software / hardware :P
Preach bro! Alpha Theta standalone units ARE NOT breaking new ground. Computer software is. Denon Engine is. Put those Pioneer jog wheels on a Denon unit, and it’s over. Or rock the SC6000-M’s with the motorized platters.
Yes!! Totally agree!!
Agreed, Denon dj players have always had better features & innovations plus cheaper.
Here's the problem...Denon has terrible quality control...I chose the prime 4 over the original XZ for all the reasons everyone thinks... And the features are great... The software is amazing and keeps getting better... But the hardware is sub par and the build quality and quality control sucks... The faders are garbage and feel rough... The jogs on the prime 4 feel ok but aren't even and the LC6000 jogs are awful...I thought something was wrong with my first one so I sent it back and the second has the same issue... Pioneer just works and lasts
I can't even access beatport in Thailand. It's a good controller but I'm sticking with my RX3 for now.
Give me a standalone unit w/ moving platters and then Alpha Theta will have my full attention 💯
I get your perspective completely. I hope Denon gets their recognition of them being the true innovators the last 5 years, but the products and softwares around have their landmarks and impressions already. Kinda like how no matter what Samsung does ahead of time, Apple will still have a following (like me lol) to just buy Apple products because its better than the last, and the ecosystem making it smoother.
I also agree how the Pioneer/AlphaTheta reviews always too polished, less candid for most reviews I see. I have to dig heavy for true critique reviews on Rane Performer and for REV 7 (positives comments always nice ofc, but im looking for the critique to know if it'll bother me too if i have it). It's always the smaller random review videos that tell some gripes, like for example the Rev 7's moving platters have a slight delay based on its attachment design compared to Rane's which is hooked onto it magnetically. I found that sort of critique to be crucial on improving the next lineup. Honestly comments sections kinda lay out the problems so I guess reviewers don't really NEED to say it cuz the ideas out there in the comments lol.
I do feel like from Rane Four to Performer is the same upgrade level as from an XZ to AZ, just for different audiences. For the AZ, better late than never. It's crazy how the big reviewers are saying some features was exactly what was needed, but some never said any of it as a critique before the newer review itself like they're just holding it in. Kinda like you said politics to steer clear of hurting anothers feelings.
Pioneer was such an awesome name btw, but AlphaTheta really just have that Apple product mentality and can wait it out as InMusic keeps pushing serious boundaries in DJ tech, but GRV-6 (groove circuit) got me thinking maybe they're softlaunching their many ideas onto their lower-mid products (REV5's Auto transition, FLX4's smart fader, etc), so when the CDJ 4000 is in order, its gonna be jam packed with features way over ours heads, hopefully. Maybe better stems than Serato in the 4000s idk. $4000 for 4000s for sure too.
It looks like a solid unit. It's overpriced by about $500. It's good for someone who wants (but can't afford) a club standard setup. It's really that simple. Honestly, they gave DJs what they asked for - layered, four-channel, on-deck mixing.
This looks like a great piece of hardware, just a little overpriced. Nothing is perfect for everyone, but quite a few DJs will be very happy with this unit.
As long as pioneer is in clubs and considered the standard. They will always charge more.
A lot of things wrong on this one. PioneerDJ/AT is one of the most diverse companies, the designs are based on feedback from worldwide DJs, not some Japanese dudes locked away from the real world. Louie Vega helped design the Euphonia for example....also, high end DJs are not travelling with equipment to gigs, if Mojaxx was booked to play somewhere with limited space the AZ might be on his rider, not in a flight case.Your right about the price /value proposition though, its pretty bad this time. My issue is they are marketing this as the same layout as 3000's and its nothing like them.
Lots of popular DJs have been enabling Alpha Theta formerly known as Pioneer DJ products this is why Alpha Theta can get away from so many things. It is time to teach them a lesson. Stop endorsing their products.
Popular DJs are getting paid to push it. Quite the opposite lol.
Neither. Denon was there first and they’re not innovative enough. The industry standard is sales speak from Pioneer. And it’s only “industry standard” because djs are too lazy to look at and request Denon hardware because they have to learn something new. Pioneer has been off the pace for the last 10 years and it’s time to switch back to Denon.
The market decided Pioneer is the industry standard and not the other way around.
Stems on Denon's standalone was a failure. If Denon can't get stems to work good on their standalone then AlphaTheta won't be able to either. Fact is you won't see stems on standalone gear for a few more years as it takes a lot of ram and processing power.
When Denon gets the stems and their jog wheels right, it's game over for Pioneer/Alpha T on standalone system. C'mon Denon!
Wondering how well this comment ages
I’m confused. No stand-alone has stems. All need to use computer still but yet everyone is saying colossal fail. I’m not defending alpha but the arguments all seem off. Just seems people want to complain. Same was said when XZ first came out yet sold 1000’s of units. Bottom line is dj’s perform so differently and there is a product that suits every style. Buy what makes most sense to you but the constant whining by most dj’s is so off putting.
@@adamg6849 no standalone has stems, so why not be the first?
@@djstucI'm not being hostile towards Denon as I firmly believe Pioneer/AlphaTheta would be 100% worse then they are now if there was no competition. Fact is the market (which is all of use "the consumer") decides who's #1.
I''m not saying stems in a standalone will never happen. I'm saying we will need to wait a bit longer for it to happen.
Amen, brother, Alpha Theta isn't innovating any longer, just small incremental updates. Technics, Rane, Dennon, Vestax and Allen & Heath were the booth standards before Pionner. We didn’t see Pioneer until the CDJ & DJM 500s in 95. At the time they were the innovators but now rely on brand and software loyalty. Dennon, Reloop, Algorithm have superior technology.
They are riding on their name and loyal followers for well over a decade. It's still working for them till now.
Bull A&H did not even made dj mixers before 95. Pioneer became standard as soon as the djm-600 hit the market
Spinelli ,Cleveland terry used to criticize pioneer and denon and complaint no body sends them units now they receive units were turned into no so critics and a more balanced
Critics .ok they don’t get pay but they get more views more fame .to be the first people pioneer sends products, they do serve a porpouse , to show the product and and overview it ,they slightly criticize it but then they bring up a positive like I hate atracts finger prints but you can easily wipe it lol. it’s great but we don’t need 5 overviews of the same product at the same time from major dj channels.
Great admiration and respect for spinelli and terry
It might be a license issue with the streaming services. That’s what happened to Spotify!
The letter “Z” in Queens English is pronounced “Zed.” Mojaxx and Phil from Digital DJ Tips have a lot of viewers, so I feel that their pronunciation of the model name is influencing how people are pronouncing it.
That's a good point. But there are people who were also born here in the United States that pronounce the word aluminum kinda like the
Alley-oop basketball trick.
Alley Oo Ma Numm.
Flanger as Flang eer.
I know people could say it's neither here nor there what difference does it make. But it is
as some also like to say Enter- eesting lol.
@@djstretchtone9851, ok. But Z is Zed in Queens English. It's a fact. May I ask what your point is?
They don’t care for open format Dj with steaming! We have to jump around platforms to get music for our gigs and it’s not fare
This is true. Crazy because that's a big part of the American market
The model name is pronounced in different ways due to accents in various regions. The letter "Z" is pronounced "zed" in some parts of the world. Just like we may say DJ "gear" and they may say "piece of kit." They also pronounce aluminum as al-la-min-e-um. As far as the stems go, I think the processing power of a built-in computer in the unit would have driven the price much higher. So the stem feature requires the user's own computer processing and it's no longer a stand-alone unit. Great video in terms of insight!
Alpha t They playing the apple Game slowly upgrading to keep you buying . I used the xdj x3 mostly as a controller with my computer and it was more problematic than a regular controller. because xdj is a computer and will take a little bit to load or will not communicate with my laptop.
Brother, totally off-topic.. What are your thoughts on living in AZ (no pun intended) in terms of COL and overall happiness? I'm overseas and trying to decide where to move to next when i return. Btw, I'm originally from Queens/Long Island myself!
AlphaTheta is going the way of game developers; Release an incomplete product and then patch as you go.
Not exactly a good thing.
lets be honest with bluetooth and wifi its designed for home users. Its IMO too big for mobile DJ's generally or bar gigs. I have the XZ its pretty much the same issue. I love my XZ and really don't consider the bigger screen an upgrade, yes there are some additions, but not too many users will be mixing 4 tracks on this, IMO
I want to seeore informationon the xone 92 mk2 that was just released and no info is out.
I believe there’s a marketing gap here. This product should fall under the PioneerDJ brand, not Alphateta. It seems the company wants to keep the PioneerDJ brand exclusive to professional DJs and festival organizers, which might explain the separation.
Their license to use the Pioneer name expired so new products are all AlphaTheta.
Denon DJ with Engine DJ ! And the Dj Pro AI!! Software. DJ is free upgrade . Make the Prime 6000 with stems capabilities. Goodbye Pioneer and Alpha Theta!
The booth babes are designing the new products, not the engineers. This is sinking companies in all sectors not just DJing.
They had to save a feature or two for the AZ successor. As for the streaming options I would say that’s mostly dependent on software which can always be updated so I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re more options soon.
Thoughts on Native Instruments......
The only thing that keep me away from Denon as primary (I have a Prime Go and that shit is just awesome), basically because of the effects.
Compared to Pioneer, they are simply not good (I am not absolute and may be wrong to some).
The feel of the knob's and faders is definitely better in Pioneer, but that doesn't change my ability to play them. For me it's just the effects.
Now the wash in denon is almost perfect!!!
Wow!, boy did you break it down in this video. Did they even bother to allow DJs to put in a large Ssd into the unit, holding masses of music, considering you can only stream from Beatport.
Zed is the British way to say Z. Its been almost 2 years since they released the opus quad and they still haven't released streaming capability like they promised.
Thank you for clarifying that. I was just curious lol
@@DJDUMusic this Nuyorican was forced to live with the Brits for a while 😂
@@DJ_V_squared😂
Can you believe that after two years no streaming capability? I only rant with hopes that the products will only get better. I know Pioneer and maybe people that sell their products may not like what I say but at the end of the day I'm a working DJ.. if I'm going to pay premium for a unit I want to do more than anything else. And that's a fact!!
@@DJDUMusicstay keeping it real. I appreciate this video. Thank you.
I’m glad I bought the Rane performer, the stem control in phenomenal. However, the small boards, like the FLX4 do so much so great, I wish they made a standalone that’s smaller to carry around like the Omni duo, but not cut a bunch of the features out, every controller should have stem control, and some good effects. Overall the small board such as the fl4 is much better than the big controllers for its value
Im not crazy about the the XDJ-AZ or anything, im STILL using the DDJ-SX2 and I am good with it even though I can't use STEMS but I'm comfortable doing LIVE remixes BUT it would interesting to use STEMS lol
You can use stems, just replace pad mode in settinga and you're good to go
@@mariogudelj9584 stems with the DDJ SX2 HOW??
I wish they would release an AlphaTheta desktop controller. Call it DDJ FLX1 and/or DDDJ Rev1. One version would be like Reloop controller while the other would be like Hercules or Numark but with FX paddles. Include stems on both of course.
To answer your last comment about who is this for. It’s for a rich bedroom DJ. It’s for touring dj’s who want something fun in their house or studio to mess around with when lounging around. Agree this is not a mobile dj’s first choice. It’s just too big and heavy. Put this in a flight case and it’s probably same weight as a 12 or 15 inch sub. It’s a niche market within alpha but there are a lot of hobby dj’s in 30’s and 40’s and heck even me in their 50’s who want a full club feel but don’t want to spend 7-10k. There are lots of people with lots of cash nowadays and they are banking on those. Not the 20 year old kid wanting to get into this.
I play in NYC quite a bit. I see the XZ in a lot of bars that actually own decks due to their lower cost compared to a pair of CDJ’s paired with a Nexus or A9 mixer. This is simply a replacement for that unit.
They just released a mid tier, and stand alone unit, maybe a new beginner tier and a new 3000?
Fact is Bro, that there is no "on-board" STEMS on any controller which works as well as the software based version in Serato, and that's a fact. Any Controller based DJ, not separate CDJ 3000s and Mixer, is probably using Serato as his/her workhorse. STEMS in Serato is absolutely the go-to music separation option. DJ Pro has just dropped an updated version of it's STEMS software solution too. Seems like you have a bit of a beef with Alphatheta, probably because of the thing with your beef from yesterday 🤔
You are spitting facts bro!
Tell them my brotha, you speaking the truth. Keep doing what U DO, MUCH APPRECIATED.
IMO...Their reasoning is $$$ ... Why would they give us everything in one controller? They won't make any more $$$ for their next model.
They say ZED because in British language they refer to Z as ZED. A lot of these commentators such as DigitalDjtips are British
Next time you talk to Pioneer, ask who's the real designer and ask for him to be fired.
Those people should talk to DJs and listen to them... instead of listening to sales persons.
Not a single club or event will buy AZ, as they never bought an XZ.
So if you state that clubs will always use CDJs, for the simple reason they need to be able to replace one unit during a set if something goes wrong (like a glass of alcool on it), then, who are they targeting ?
Is the AZ enough so XZ owners will switch ? I don't think so.
Will people with the 1000's, or the FLX (10) go for it ? I doubt
They took 8 years to replace the XZ with a "cheap" CDJ-3000 duo and a striped mixed in one unit... nothing new, no improvements, just less !! Which makes me ask, how that 3000's and mixers cost SO MUCH when you can put the same thing in a 3000$ AZ ? (of course, you do that by using cheap everything inside...)
Pioneer, go back to the drawing table and IMPROVE. That's how you entered the clubs at first !
If a computer can do live Stems, why not a standalone ? need a better CPU ? a better GPU ? They exist ! just decide to use it. Djs will pay 5k to get all those features that they don't have with a 12k$ setup (3000's+mixer).
Same think for NI (Traktor)... you have the best software, just build some updated hardware !! Want to enter clubs ? want to make things change ? you're 80% there ! just invest a little more and take over dying Pioneer !
Both Pioneer and Denon DJ are products being made in Japan. I didn't know where he gets the Denon products are made here in the US
Inmusic brands...
I assume he's talking like the core base of the highest up executives
@@LightestEvening if I remember correctly, he said that the product was literally made in the USA, which I can assure you it is not. Though if he meant to say that executive offices then he should specify that. Pioneer has headquarters here as well but, they aren't made here. Nothing that's truly related to chipset manufacturing made on these levels is here in the USA. I get it if what he's trying to say was executive or product support.
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‘Zed’ is how we say ‘Z’ across the pond, but from what I hear from younger generations in the UK, ‘zee’ is getting more common.
Changing topic:
I’m intrigued to see how Denon DJ strikes back. I’d much prefer a Prime 4+ over the AZ.
Gotta disagree with the idea that this is for mobile DJ's. This is definitely for the EDM people with aspirations of playing in clubs and getting used to club standard. Or new promoters who want the club standard but cant afford the entire setup yet. I would say the opus quad is more aimed at mobile djs
Yes, that's who it's for! That's how AT has marketed it. If you need the latest in stems and streaming you need a laptop. What standalone units from any company have stems as good as VirtualDJ or Serato? None that I know of. And if they do catch up, the software will just leap ahead again. Oh and PLEASE don't group EDM with House/Techno/Trance/Drum n bass.
@@mrbishi634 why would they not fall under the category of EDM if they're all examples of electronic dance music? I never understood people using EDM as it's own genre, I was always under the impression that EDM is all encompassing like Rock, rap and pop.
@@lightskinmongose IMHO what the video said is true for EDM as well as the old school electronic genres. But from the POV of growing up with DJing before the EDM boom in the 2010s, that acronym was first used during that time to refer to that style, and its roots are not related to the original underground electronic dance music. "EDM" had a commercial sound and was promoted to appeal to a different crowd. I've been out of the US for a while so there may be less of a gap now, but I can tell you for sure "EDM" was never a thing in Japan, although most genres that are electronic dance music have been.
I started my journey on Pioneer gear and still on it (UK),. But since the FLX 6 flop and that 'name change' and their pricing Pioneer seem to be on a decline! UP! To all "open format" DJ's!
I can't wait to see what denon and numark have.
Saying I nmusic has onboard stems in standalone is bull, inmusic anounced it but have never been able to get it to work in anyway that is “show ready “
As for claiming the other people who review pioneer gear I’ll pay for it but you review Denon gear and of unbiased it’s clearly hypocrisy is it’s finest
I disagree strongly about that streaming part. Are we as dj's not also educators/curators and NOT a jukebox? Streaming stops when the internet connection stops...The reason why only Beatport streaming allowed is simple; Beatport paid money to have exclusive rights. It's nothing more than killing competition with money. This has absolutely nothing to do with geographical regions and/or cultural reasons.
Kinda selfish to be gatekeeping the music for those you're tryna play for isnt it? Like if the crowd or those in it want a song and you're like nahhh i dont got it (but you do cuz of streaming) because its not fitting your vibe or your perception of the vibe, sometimes depending on circumstance too it could be offensive to exclude those tryna to participate in the experience. Not always ofc but just a thought
@@LightestEvening The trick is to come up with an alternative that people like more that the song that got requested. Really connecting with people as a dj is something else than being a jukebox.
We need the next RMX1000 it's not been upgraded in like 12 years
Mo jaxx had a lot of negative things about the XDJ-AZ
Pioneer dj is the leader because they're gear is the most robust and reliable, not the most feature rich. AlphaTheta is changing much stuff and they don't feel pro consumer.. I hate subscription services and they're heading heavily in that direction
Good independent commentary , $6800 in Aus. Should be flawless.
Absolutely!!
I think any innovation that Alpha Theta do have left in them, (which by the way doesn’t seem like much), they will be probably saving for the CDJ400s
I mean they need a reason for us to by that when its out too right?
FACTS🔥 great post!
AZ is a cheaper version of the club standard also for festivals period. And that's for EDM lovers and professionals. The AZ wasn't created for that. So IDK why you're sitting talking about and comparing it to unlock everything with a laptop when that wasn't it's meant for. If you want that get a controller end of story.
Denon is better
@@kennethbriscoe79 I will say seems like denon is pushing the envelope alot more...
@@kennethbriscoe79Way better
The Pioneer DJ Name is dead. the nail in the coffin was naming the controller the alphatheta xdj az
Also Alphatheta is the Apple to the dj industry.
True
Big rant . But….u making some serious points . No steps us a complete utter fail . Beat port another fail . So basically it’s a a really nice controller if u really wanna utilize it in an ideal way . Using it standalone you’ll suffer several drawbacks .
Linker better off w an opus .
Good video bro .
I totally agree money grab.
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Over priced for sure 32bit sound is not enough , should have had 64bit like the V10 and two more screens like the OPUS . The AZ is hardly different to the previous model it replaced.
There is no such thing as a 64 bit converter. All the mixers you mentioned have 32 bit.
@@vtecvic9434 please check the specs for v10 mixer FYI & if you see anything about 64bit let me know .
@@vtecvic9434 YES I AGREE THERE IS NO 64BIT . HOWEVER I AM DISAPPOINTED WITH THE XDJ-AZ . I WILL BE WAITING FOR NEW CDJ 3000 REPLACEMENT as its features are offered in controllers now hence it might be possible that a new CDJ is due with new and better features hopefully ?
I'm honestly not impressed with the Az even if they drop the price to 1999
I know that Pioneer is paying attention to the consumer and I'm sure that will produce great things.
1. is too dam expensive, and nothing wonderful about (az).
2.. culture difference might play a role, Japanese always use the delayed approach, however their USA region also plays a roll aswell.
3. a company will not throw all they eggs in one basket, needs to keep the production running.
4. dj product reviewers seems to had to put in some good words on pioneers new products, I think some of them will never really recommend it in reality.
5. why the Fck do you threy make a 4 channel controller, but you cant add additional units (grv6)
Streaming is a fad move on buy your tracks and support the artist you're playing
Streaming is not a fad, its the best way to prep for a set and try new songs before incorporating them into your mix. I use it all the time before an actual set. I listen to soundcloud on my drive to work, like songs, and then try em out when I get home. If I like em, I buy em, if it doesnt work in the set I am using, I save money and time like crazy because I dont have to buy it, download it, transfer it to my usb or mixer, then remove it when I dont need it. Also if I am streaming or doing a house party, I can get a song request and incorporate it within seconds. Just because I would never use it in a club doesnt mean its not useful. Not having soundcloud or even tidal in 2024 on a 3,200 dollar device is ridiculous. Especially when a 1,200 dollar device does it standalone.
Let's go back to vinyl and turntables forget about all this technology crap.
You do support the artists with the subscription to stream the music.
@@zonwade5013you realize how that sentence is a contradiction right?
A Zed lol. I agree why are they pronouncing things like this as with AZ? Hopefully it's not that constant obsession with Pronouns...maybe learn some basic Phonics lol just kidding.
I agree about Tidal. It appears way more open format friendly. It has Diversity & Includes many different Genres - that I've had a hard time finding on Beatport maybe it's just me.
Alot of Rekordbox Users will probably agree with you... but where else can they turn when its all they have bought ? i mean thousands of pounds..... Alpha Theta need to pull their fingers out and just make their software BETTER... I mean Serato aswell even....