The 4.6 L 3 valve engine in my opinion is an Awesome engine! Capable of a lot more N/A then most people think. U can Max it out with bolt ons which should put it somewhere in the 400's hp N/A. That much HP out of a small engine is what true racing is all about because it keeps the weight down. Small engine big power is what all the super sport car companies do. Add to this engine Larger heads with aggressive cams, A performance intake manifold, Larger FRPP TB with cold air intake and tune. Off road long tube headers. UD pulleys, Electric water pump. There maybe somethings I am forgetting but u get the idea. N/A hp is the best hp if u are into road course type events where the engine is constantly at max rpm and over heating could be an issue. This is where power adders fail due to heat soaking.
3 valve? Audi designed a 5-valve 5-cyl. 2,2l engine in the 90's that made 320hp. yes it is turbocharged but still. I find it funny how you people call a 4,6l a 'small engine' and 'it's what racing is all about' hahahahaha.
RC-355/04 I completely agree with you on that! Import engines are amazing!! But I have had the opportunity to drive many different imports GTR, Supra, g35 and a few others but although they are well built and extremely fast. IMO it's much more than being fast and better built. I just love how American muscle cars sound, the history behind them and just that alone makes me a proud 3v owner. Although most American cars today are not made in America from what I have heard.
Wavyy Based indeed, my granddad had a Opel and he shoved the old engine out and swapped it With a Corvette small block 5,4l V8 in it. That thing turned heads at the stoplight against jaguar and MB owners. Love the sound, we also own a 1979 Mustang III not the best series :/ but still sound and burble nice. And as my granddad said. "As a mecanic. I'll tell you dis. I've droven Americans all My life. Also German and japanese cars as well. If you got the time and you have some knowledge US cars can be fixed with a screwdriver and a roll of ductape. Now that I'm an old man I drive a Toyota. I don't expect it to break down." That's what I love about the SC, Still has that 4.0l growl, but has the japanese quality and reliability. And the abilitu to supercharge it to 650hp without modding the engine is nice too. Here in belgium it's expensive tho. Our E39 BMW is a 3.0l 6-cyl turbodiesel. 800€ tax a year. (1000$) just bcs it's a 6-cyl... the SC? 2500€ a year. Our Subaru Outback 2,5l (mine) does 400€ and a bit, bcs it's a 2.5. But it's gasoline. So less ecotax (that comes on top of the taxation of the engine tax) so US sized engines are a bad idea here :p except in old timers. (80€ a year)
I had the same cams installed on my manual 2007...got the Ford Racing Intake Manifold installed at the same time & my car makes 355 RWHP. Pro Dyno did my work as well...everyone complaining there was not enough power increase, watch the video & they tell you the stock intake manifold is VERY restrictive for airflow.
While this cam is designed to work with the stock springs, It's probably a good idea to change out the springs and retainers on high mileage engines. Keep in mind that this video was made in 2012 and this car probably didn't have that many miles on it. Drastically changing the cam profile on an engine that's been run its whole life with the stock cam is bound to cause issues with the other valve train components. $700 is a lot for only 11hp but keep in mind that this cam is primarily designed for the sound. There are better options for the same price point.
4.6 mod motors don't really gain much power from cams like an lsx does but with long tubes and and off road x pipe along with a better intake manifold I bet this little 4.6 would scream with these cams.
He said the car had to breathe better to get the full increase in power. So new intake, maybe exhaust, etc. Bet they can get 40hp at least. Computer work, 60 hp.
ALLEN_LIME_GT3V I'm talking the cams not the heads or valves. As the cam profile from Mustang GT has a different grind. You put those cams on any none Mustang vehicle and you get anywhere form 25-35 HP increase. With nothing but a cam change.....
great! thanks for the info! you cam swap looks pretty easy to do. i am planning on doing the set myself. i am used to pulling apart the fox body 5.0 all the time, but this car is new to me, is there anything i should be aware of when doing this swap? it looked easy to do as long you mark it and put that wedge in? when you lift the cam is there any parts that can fall off or move? thanks for a great video! you guys been a great help!
I have the can install down I think...lol...I am intimidated by the comp cams phaser install. Do you have a video for that? I have read comps instructions and they provide the tool to lock the spring but just not confident I completely understand the process...
Great video, just wish there was less back ground noise (music). I have a hearing problem and it was hard for me to make out what the voice was saying. Thank you.
If you got some money and do the right upgrades like a Ford intake and throttle body then a exhaust it has big gains that will turn alot of heads.and your stock mustang will still be street legal mine out runs the Dodge chargers all day the I get to lol when I blow buy at 121 with plenty of pedal left.
Emil, How can you tune VVT on a 2007 GT, and get that lope? because I was going to buy cams myself, but if I can do this on my car I would really like the info!
Seems like a waste of money for only 11 horsepower. A computer tune would easily gain that. I would think the air flow might be more economical improvement.
Hello, did you change out the cam phasers when you did the cam swap in your video? i am going with the Comp Cams Mutha Thumpr set up. do i need to change them cam phasers with this set up? If so are they hard to install? do you have a video on this? thanks mike
Did y'all run it wot right after install? I'm sorry if I'm wrong but I thought cams require a break in and could serious mess up if u go wot right after
Jst bought comp cams mutha thumbers with phaser kit for my 3v and there sitting under my bed seems I cnt find a shop in az to put them on :( also is it true the a/c wont wrk?
What risks are there to not using a spring compressor before removing the roller followers? I am planning on purchasing a cam set by months end and just want to have all of my bases covered before i begin. Is there anything else i should be aware of such as do i have to set my crank pulley in any specific position before i begin?
Michael, you can do it with out a spring comp but you need to undo cam bolts a little at a time and evenly don't take one out all at once. Also you need to make sure the followers are sitting correctly when installing the new cam before torquing down the cams. Also you need that timing chain tool or make one like I did. The tool is not cheap for a one time use tool. Also if your chain does slip game over now your pulling the front cover off to get the timing marks lined up again. When swapping the cams #1tdc is where you want the motor as long as your not planning on spinning the cams around your fine. There is a safe mode where the valves will not make contact with pistons. Also be aware your valve covers may get hung up on something in the way that may need to be removed. Look your motor over real good before laying out the $$ for cams or you may be in for more than you planned on. I have done this a few times but now when I replace cams I tear the front cover off and degree the cams much bigger pay off in the HP dept. Your cams can be off by as much as 6 deg or more between the two. I have read where just getting the cams synced has gained 10 hp plus what ever extra the cams were worth. Good luck with your project. Also I would recommend new cam sprocket bolts not sure if they mention this in the video or not since they are torque to yield fancy way of saying one time use. I have done this a few time on the 2v motor and your motor may be a different beast so do your home work first its a lot less headaches that way.
So I am about to install my ford racing cams on my 08 gt? I know it will need to be tuned...but how do I tune it? can I just get it up on the dyno and tune it like that without using a handheld tuner? Please help!!!!
Yale Maier Removing the timing chain tensioner wedge. It is a tool that lets you lock the chain tensioner in place so you don't have to remove the engine's front cover just to remove the cams.
Yes it is worth it if you also add on supporting mods like cold air intake and exhaust.. Also if you really want to put those cams to use you should get you heads port and polished
Your an idiot.. If you knew anything about a cars engine you'd know just a cam won't do anything to any engine without proper tuning and other bolt ons. The engine is too restrictive to see any major results from the cam. But once you swap heads and put an intake manifold on there your looking at huge gains.. Stock 5.0 motor with a cam swap would have the same results
Idk much about ls engines but as far as modular engines a cam buy it's self with no other bolt ons or anything will give you close to nothing on hp gains. Now pair it with a race intake and some heads your seeing a crap ton hp. This car makes 440 hp with a race intake, cnc heads, camshaft, throttle body and tune
Wow only 11hp AND you limited the adjustable valve timing? What a useless "upgrade". You could have just tuned the VVT and upped the timing to be more aggressive to gain your 10hp plus kept decent fuel economy! If you really want that lope in the idle you can tune it in with the VVT... Comp Cams is laughing all the way to the bank.
Emil, How can you tune VVT on a 2007 GT, and get that lope? because I was going to buy cams myself, but if I can do this on my car I would really like the info!
sorry I think got ahead of myself. It was a 2011-up 5.0L. I had a brain fart about their only being one cam in each head on a 3v even after just watching the vid! There is more than 11 hp to be unlocked with a tune though.
The 4.6 L 3 valve engine in my opinion is an Awesome engine! Capable of a lot more N/A then most people think. U can Max it out with bolt ons which should put it somewhere in the 400's hp N/A. That much HP out of a small engine is what true racing is all about because it keeps the weight down. Small engine big power is what all the super sport car companies do. Add to this engine Larger heads with aggressive cams, A performance intake manifold, Larger FRPP TB with cold air intake and tune. Off road long tube headers. UD pulleys, Electric water pump. There maybe somethings I am forgetting but u get the idea. N/A hp is the best hp if u are into road course type events where the engine is constantly at max rpm and over heating could be an issue. This is where power adders fail due to heat soaking.
Well said and couldn't be more true.
3 valve? Audi designed a 5-valve 5-cyl. 2,2l engine in the 90's that made 320hp. yes it is turbocharged but still. I find it funny how you people call a 4,6l a 'small engine' and 'it's what racing is all about' hahahahaha.
RC-355/04 I think he meant small for a v8. The rest of the "American Muscle" competition use larger displacement motors.
RC-355/04 I completely agree with you on that! Import engines are amazing!! But I have had the opportunity to drive many different imports GTR, Supra, g35 and a few others but although they are well built and extremely fast. IMO it's much more than being fast and better built. I just love how American muscle cars sound, the history behind them and just that alone makes me a proud 3v owner. Although most American cars today are not made in America from what I have heard.
Wavyy Based indeed, my granddad had a Opel and he shoved the old engine out and swapped it
With a Corvette small block 5,4l V8 in it. That thing turned heads at the stoplight against jaguar and MB owners.
Love the sound, we also own a 1979 Mustang III not the best series :/ but still sound and burble nice. And as my granddad said. "As a mecanic. I'll tell you dis. I've droven Americans all
My life. Also German and japanese cars as well.
If you got the time and you have some knowledge US cars can be fixed with a screwdriver and a roll of ductape. Now that I'm an old man I drive a Toyota. I don't expect it to break down."
That's what I love about the SC, Still has that 4.0l growl, but has the japanese quality and reliability. And the abilitu to supercharge it to 650hp without modding the engine is nice too.
Here in belgium it's expensive tho. Our E39 BMW is a 3.0l 6-cyl turbodiesel. 800€ tax a year. (1000$) just bcs it's a 6-cyl... the SC? 2500€ a year. Our Subaru Outback 2,5l (mine) does 400€ and a bit, bcs it's a 2.5. But it's gasoline. So less ecotax (that comes on top of the taxation of the engine tax) so US sized engines are a bad idea here :p except in old timers. (80€ a year)
I had the same cams installed on my manual 2007...got the Ford Racing Intake Manifold installed at the same time & my car makes 355 RWHP. Pro Dyno did my work as well...everyone complaining there was not enough power increase, watch the video & they tell you the stock intake manifold is VERY restrictive for airflow.
While this cam is designed to work with the stock springs, It's probably a good idea to change out the springs and retainers on high mileage engines. Keep in mind that this video was made in 2012 and this car probably didn't have that many miles on it. Drastically changing the cam profile on an engine that's been run its whole life with the stock cam is bound to cause issues with the other valve train components. $700 is a lot for only 11hp but keep in mind that this cam is primarily designed for the sound. There are better options for the same price point.
Awesome info ! Thanks!!
I saw the plate it was BZI 512
4.6 mod motors don't really gain much power from cams like an lsx does but with long tubes and and off road x pipe along with a better intake manifold I bet this little 4.6 would scream with these cams.
11 hp for $700? Ya ill pass
+Kenny Turbostang you're paying for the sound homie!
Exactly what I thought ❗️
He said the car had to breathe better to get the full increase in power. So new intake, maybe exhaust, etc.
Bet they can get 40hp at least. Computer work, 60 hp.
love the thump ...sounds like a beast.
You put the PI cams in an older none PI heads. You will get some serious HP and torque improvement on those 4.6 liters!
+Claude “Reviews4U” Rains You're talking about the 2 Valve 4.6. The 4.6 in 2005-2009s (this car) is the 3 valve, completely different.
ALLEN_LIME_GT3V
I'm talking the cams not the heads or valves. As the cam profile from Mustang GT has a different grind. You put those cams on any none Mustang vehicle and you get anywhere form 25-35 HP increase. With nothing but a cam change.....
This looks easier than I thought it would be.
great! thanks for the info! you cam swap looks pretty easy to do. i am planning on doing the set myself. i am used to pulling apart the fox body 5.0 all the time, but this car is new to me, is there anything i should be aware of when doing this swap? it looked easy to do as long you mark it and put that wedge in? when you lift the cam is there any parts that can fall off or move? thanks for a great video! you guys been a great help!
i live in simpsonville sc where is a good performance shop within reasonable driving distance to get cams installed and other performance parts
I have the can install down I think...lol...I am intimidated by the comp cams phaser install. Do you have a video for that? I have read comps instructions and they provide the tool to lock the spring but just not confident I completely understand the process...
wow what a beautiful mustang my dream car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sweet! that was a south carolina license plate. where is this shop? I am looking to get some work done to my stang
Pro Dyno, they are great people and really know their stuff. Pro-Dyno.net. Let Dan know you saw it on the Horsepower Monster, and thanks for watching!
Great video, just wish there was less back ground noise (music). I have a hearing problem and it was hard for me to make out what the voice was saying. Thank you.
Do you need to position the crank pulley in a certain position to remove the cam with out removing the followers??
Cool, but them damn camshafts cost so damn much! If I ever do camshafts in a modular I will slap some biggens in it.
It woulda been nice to get a baseline before the cams, then after to see tha gains.
If you got some money and do the right upgrades like a Ford intake and throttle body then a exhaust it has big gains that will turn alot of heads.and your stock mustang will still be street legal mine out runs the Dodge chargers all day the I get to lol when I blow buy at 121 with plenty of pedal left.
dont you have to turn the engine to a certain time 12 oclock i think then 6 oclock
Emil, How can you tune VVT on a 2007 GT, and get that lope? because I was going to buy cams myself, but if I can do this on my car I would really like the info!
Seems like a waste of money for only 11 horsepower. A computer tune would easily gain that. I would think the air flow might be more economical improvement.
It’s not meant to be a lone modification, if you pair it with a bunch of other mods you’ll see a lot more gains.
Does EEC/ Computer have to be reflashed or a custom tune installed? If so What tuners does this shop deal with?
Hello, did you change out the cam phasers when you did the cam swap in your video? i am going with the Comp Cams Mutha Thumpr set up. do i need to change them cam phasers with this set up? If so are they hard to install? do you have a video on this? thanks mike
Did y'all run it wot right after install? I'm sorry if I'm wrong but I thought cams require a break in and could serious mess up if u go wot right after
Gonna be doin a cam swap on my 96 GT 4.6 ;)
What are the specs on that cam set? int/exh, lobe sep, etc.
Did you degree the cam or not?
Jst bought comp cams mutha thumbers with phaser kit for my 3v and there sitting under my bed seems I cnt find a shop in az to put them on :( also is it true the a/c wont wrk?
What risks are there to not using a spring compressor before removing the roller followers? I am planning on purchasing a cam set by months end and just want to have all of my bases covered before i begin. Is there anything else i should be aware of such as do i have to set my crank pulley in any specific position before i begin?
Michael, you can do it with out a spring comp but you need to undo cam bolts a little at a time and evenly don't take one out all at once. Also you need to make sure the followers are sitting correctly when installing the new cam before torquing down the cams. Also you need that timing chain tool or make one like I did. The tool is not cheap for a one time use tool. Also if your chain does slip game over now your pulling the front cover off to get the timing marks lined up again. When swapping the cams #1tdc is where you want the motor as long as your not planning on spinning the cams around your fine. There is a safe mode where the valves will not make contact with pistons. Also be aware your valve covers may get hung up on something in the way that may need to be removed. Look your motor over real good before laying out the $$ for cams or you may be in for more than you planned on. I have done this a few times but now when I replace cams I tear the front cover off and degree the cams much bigger pay off in the HP dept. Your cams can be off by as much as 6 deg or more between the two. I have read where just getting the cams synced has gained 10 hp plus what ever extra the cams were worth. Good luck with your project. Also I would recommend new cam sprocket bolts not sure if they mention this in the video or not since they are torque to yield fancy way of saying one time use.
I have done this a few time on the 2v motor and your motor may be a different beast so do your home work first its a lot less headaches that way.
So I am about to install my ford racing cams on my 08 gt? I know it will need to be tuned...but how do I tune it? can I just get it up on the dyno and tune it like that without using a handheld tuner? Please help!!!!
I know it's been 4 months.... But you can use a handheld tuner
Hows fuel economy on this?
What was being done at 5:23?
Yale Maier Removing the timing chain tensioner wedge. It is a tool that lets you lock the chain tensioner in place so you don't have to remove the engine's front cover just to remove the cams.
I will say that they will never stop producing mustangs the whole world would go to hell if they stopped making mustangs
I dont see how removing the CMCV will help..Its wide open at high RPMs.
It will only kill low end power
I think they actually improve low end power by speeding up air velocity into the ports.
Prodyno is down the road for me
They are a great shop and do some fantastic work.
hes right. it is easy to get lost in the crowds... Ha
What happen when1 camshaft rolling follower come out i can't drive still
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Does anyone know of a reliable shop in Texas where I can have cams installed on my 2014 Mustang GT???
Where in texas
+eidolonbreed Lots of places in Texas.
Houston performance
+kingchrisp198432 do you know if the Upgrade in cams is worth it??? Cuz in the video gains of only 12 HP isn't much lol. Not like Chevy motors
Yes it is worth it if you also add on supporting mods like cold air intake and exhaust.. Also if you really want to put those cams to use you should get you heads port and polished
You should edit the audio on this and make your voice a little louder. Can’t hear you over the Mustang on the dyno.
they wasn't bragging on the hp it made
294?
11HP errrr WUT?
That seemed like a waist of time lol.
add that with a tune and .........
Raul Romero
I see why Ford threw the modular design to the curb and had Europe design their new 5.0Ls.
Your an idiot.. If you knew anything about a cars engine you'd know just a cam won't do anything to any engine without proper tuning and other bolt ons. The engine is too restrictive to see any major results from the cam. But once you swap heads and put an intake manifold on there your looking at huge gains.. Stock 5.0 motor with a cam swap would have the same results
Ronnie Steed
A new 5.0L cam swap will make a FUCK ton more than 11hp lol.
A Comp XR277HR in a LS1 nets a whopping 61Rqwhp.
Idk much about ls engines but as far as modular engines a cam buy it's self with no other bolt ons or anything will give you close to nothing on hp gains. Now pair it with a race intake and some heads your seeing a crap ton hp. This car makes 440 hp with a race intake, cnc heads, camshaft, throttle body and tune
all that for 11hp?
+Shaquille o'neal 11 for a boosted car all that labor and money.. rather pit it somewhere else if 11 hp the only gain
+Shaquille o'neal proper tune the motor wouldn't blow with stock cam
+Shaquille o'neal true you get all the parts before tune
Wow only 11hp AND you limited the adjustable valve timing? What a useless "upgrade". You could have just tuned the VVT and upped the timing to be more aggressive to gain your 10hp plus kept decent fuel economy! If you really want that lope in the idle you can tune it in with the VVT... Comp Cams is laughing all the way to the bank.
Emil, How can you tune VVT on a 2007 GT, and get that lope? because I was going to buy cams myself, but if I can do this on my car I would really like the info!
sorry I think got ahead of myself. It was a 2011-up 5.0L. I had a brain fart about their only being one cam in each head on a 3v even after just watching the vid! There is more than 11 hp to be unlocked with a tune though.
lol cab be dusted by a VQ35
*cam* install not can install...sorry
It’s still a gt 😂😂😂
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