We have passages in the New Testament that reaffirm homosexuality as a sin, while the ceremonial Mosaic law is put to rest as fulfilled. This really isn't that hard of an argument to debunk. Thanks Trent.
When Jesus says that what you eat does not defile you, but the things that defile come from the heart, which includes adultery and unchastity among other things. Sodomy would've universally been understood in a Jewish context as being included in that. If Jesus wanted to revise that teaching he would've said so, but just for good measure St. Paul had to reiterate that teaching when preaching to the gentiles.
📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin: 🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians 3:15 1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis 2:24 2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓ 🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew 19:4-5 3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓ 🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians 5:31 4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓ 🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3 5. Is sex considered a sin❓ 🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18 6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓ 🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2 Conclusion: Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles. Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓ 7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy 30:19 8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew 5:37
Thanks for speaking out on this important issue. So many in our culture see this as a stumbling block for conversion, because they think Christians are hypocrites for calling some sins out over others.
I have a habit of blaming Protestantism for every single thing wrong with Christianity, but I think its culpability in the case of sexuality is OBVIOUS. Whoever thinks sex, as commonly understood, is a beautiful gift to be enjoyed between a married man and his wife has SORELY misunderstood Catholic teaching. If you're doing anything in the bedroom that could be considered "fun" then you probably need to go to Confession. Unless the angels and saints, the Blessed Virgin and YOUR VERY OWN MOTHER could watch what transpires in your marital bed in complete joyful approval, then YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG. Nowhere, ever, were we given marriage as an acceptable outlet for lust or pride or sloth or gluttony or greed or envy (or even wrath for the S & M weirdos). As a society, we no longer see marriage as an inferior spiritual state. I even heard one young lady ask a priest how he handles being deprived of the ability to express love! In other words, our culture has become so perverted that we equate sex with love. And because we've made an idol out of sex, we unfairly scapegoat gays and force them to shoulder the guilt of all of our disordered sexuality. My goodness, shame on us! Lust between two humans is equally disgusting, whether it's man and wife or boyfriend and boyfriend. And it's so easy to see where Protestantism followed Martin Luther's lead on this...look at their pastors, scarfing down their big lush meals, bought with their six figure salaries, and carrying on their flesh-fest to the bedroom, knocking up their baby-factory wives, and writing sermons about it (and if you think I'm being melodramatic here, Luther was not shy writing about his "private" life with Katie von Bora, former nun)
@@wayned803Chief, you wrote a very weird comment. And why are you so focused on someone's mother, people have fathers as well you know. Regardless, why would you want any of the Saints or your own Father and Mother to watch you engage in sexual intercourse with your spouse? You are being really weird.
@@CatholicCarlismEnjoyer on this day of SAINT AUGUSTINE of all people, we must keep in mind what a truly depraved act sex is, unless we just want to give "poetic lip service" to Original Sin
@@IRepkonormalization and widespread acceptance of homosexual behaviour is simply a stepping stone to socially engineer people to accept pedophilia. The transgender and trans kids stuff is a logical consequence of making concessions on homosexuality/bisexuality. Normalized pederasty/pedophilia is a logical consequence of trans kids and children being able to "consent" to sexual relationships with adults. We have Weimar Republic problems all over again.
Christians everywhere need to see that working so hard to take what is evil and call it ok is nothing but harmful to souls (and bodies and societies). It is not charity no matter how well intentioned. Christ's new covenant is what we must abide by if we hope to share in the Resurrection. Thank you, Trent Horn.
📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin: 🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians 3:15 1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis 2:24 2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓ 🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew 19:4-5 3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓ 🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians 5:31 4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓ 🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3 5. Is sex considered a sin❓ 🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18 6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓ 🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2 Conclusion: Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles. Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓ 7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy 30:19 8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew 5:37
The arguments in favor of normalizing the LGBT lifestyle using the shellfish objection is easily refutable as Trent does here in the section "Moral vs Pedagogical Laws", yet it is frustrating that those in favor of normalization still push their errors.
📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin: 🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians 3:15 1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis 2:24 2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓ 🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew 19:4-5 3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓ 🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians 5:31 4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓ 🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3 5. Is sex considered a sin❓ 🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18 6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓ 🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2 Conclusion: Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles. Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓ 7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy 30:19 8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew 5:37
@robertstephenson6806 Only what's universally immoral should be legislated against, I agree there. However, God's morals are by definition universal. A "secular" government must by necessity look Christian, or it's objectively wrong. Separation of Church and State thus must be about separation between clergy and laity. This is just how it is.
Jesus certainly did speak against homosexuality in Matt 5:32, 19:9 and Mark 7:21 where He uses the word "unchastity", "immorality" and “fornications” which includes adultery, incest, premarital infidelity, homosexuality, bestiality and any other sexual conduct condemned in the OT.
📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin: 🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians 3:15 1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis 2:24 2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓ 🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew 19:4-5 3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓ 🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians 5:31 4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓ 🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3 5. Is sex considered a sin❓ 🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18 6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓ 🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2 Conclusion: Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles. Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓ 7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy 30:19 8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew 5:37
Trent, your analogy of ritual and moral to holding your hand while crossing the street and not drinking what's under the sink is brilliant! Short and simple. Thanks.
@@signumcrucis4172 Lol Fr. Martin adorns his church in Pride flags and promotes homosexuality to an almost obssessive degree but you claim this other guy is "numb to sin..." That's laughable. Martin is preaching heresy and worse, getting away with it. By they way, slander is spoken, libel is written.
@@signumcrucis4172if you think a channel as milk toast as Trent is what makes some biased, (I love you Trent!) Well, I don't have much faith in your ability to be charitable let's just say that.
@@femaleKCRoyalsFanExactly. Francis teaches that sodomy is fine with him by appointing sodomy condoning Bishops and having homosexual sex as moral a part of his "Synodal" way.
@@TheCounselofTrentMartin's "superiors" are Jesuits. They agree with him. The Bishop in Martin's diocese should laicize him. But no. Only faithful orthodox priests are cancelled in today's ape of the Church.
I'd like to ask Fr. Martin if bestiality is morally okay or not since he dismissed the verse about homosexuality, perhaps he will one day dismiss the next verses.
For the sheer sake of convenience, I typically refute shellfish objections by pointing out obvious condemnations of homosexuality, like when Paul includes it with a list of other mortal sins like greed, theft, murder, adultery, etc. in Corinthians. That way the shellfish proponent can no longer fall on the claim that it's "just a part of the Jewish law which has been fulfilled" because here Paul is stating that it's still wrong.
📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin: 🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians 3:15 1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis 2:24 2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓ 🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew 19:4-5 3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓ 🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians 5:31 4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓ 🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3 5. Is sex considered a sin❓ 🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18 6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓ 🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2 Conclusion: Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles. Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓ 7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy 30:19 8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew 5:37
@@signumcrucis4172If you are celibate you aren't homosexual. Maybe I'm just being pedantic, but in Catholicism it's not possible to identify with a sin. E.g: If I like to eat it's fine, I won't be a glutton until I actually go and overeat. Similarly, I can't be an alcoholic if I never drank alcohol, even if my genes would somehow guarantee I would be if I drank. If we were our inclinations then we're doomed. I'd be a murderer, fornicator, verbal abuser, glutton, etc. just because of having an intrusive thought for these at least once. But all praise to God, who didn't make it so. Edit: Example failed. I was an actual fornicator before my conversion. God have mercy. But let's use my misshap for expanding this. I said I "was" a fornicator, meaning I left it behind. A homosexual/sodomite could likewise stop being homosexual. On another note, please pray for me.
Matthew 19:4-6 clearly states the view that Jesus has on marriage. Marriage is unequivocally outlined as a sacred union between a man and a woman as by God’s design. Jesus also tells us after a few verses that if we don’t marry then we should be like eunuchs, that is not have sexual relationships. Therefore, if same-sex marriage cannot happen and we shall not have sexual relationships outside of marriage, I don’t see how some people seem to think that Jesus thought is was ok to have homosexual relationships instead. That being said Jesus also saved an adulterous woman from execution, claiming that no one is without sin. While it is unambiguous that homosexuality is a sin for Christianity, we are also taught to love one another and even to love our enemies as ourselves. We shouldn’t be hostile towards other sinners as we ourselves aren’t perfect.
That being said I don’t think homosexuality is the be-all end-all of sins. People who overly fixate on homosexuality as something sinful in my experience do so in bad faith. It’s good to stand on solid ground against the cultural shift that is happening to avoid blurring the lines between good and evil, but we also must be careful not to be overly reactionary and end up mistreating other people as a result. We shouldn’t judge each other for sinning but help each other to get out of sin with tact and empathy.
@@femaleKCRoyalsFan ok but what does Jesus teach us with most of his parables regarding sin? Look at the prodigal son or the lost sheep or the workers in the vineyard. Instead of casting judgment on other people which we should never do, we should *help* other people be reconciled with God and be glad if they do. I see a lot of people instead cast judgment on others and use that as an excuse to congratulate (even implicitly) themselves. If I say "gay people are terrible sinners" implicitly by not being gay in my mind I'm not a sinner anymore, or my sins can be excused because there are "worse" sins out there. That's not the point of Christianity, we are *all* children of God and if we see a brother or sister fall into sin we should help them, not judge them. And we shouldn't congratulate ourselves for our "righteousness" while judging those who we deem unrighteous, see Luke 18:10-14 the man justified before God isn't the one congratulating and exhalting himself for his good deeds but the one who humbles himself.
@@covonedigrano7491I agree, as sinners ourselves, we must seek forgiveness and pray for others to seek Jesus. Love in the bare sense is to care for another without force. We have to inform them the sins of homosexuality or really anything LGBT+ and pray they seek the light, the ball would be on their court to accept God's Love (Caritas Dei) or not. The sad reality is many don't even want to hear religious beliefs, so they must be informed in other ways, like science or they must ask themselves why things are made in the way they are.
Trent you need to keep making videos like this, pointing out the errors of these evil priests. I know you don’t like to do that kind of stuff but in a time like today we need clarity from reliable sources.
Thank you Trent. I remember Fr. Mike Schmitz mentioning the distinctions in the laws in the Old Testament while doing Bible in a Year. Appreciate the clarity of God's plan unfolding over time due to our sinfulness, that understanding makes sense. Unfortunately, Fr. James Martin seems to have a predetermined meaning of scripture in mind and doesn't want to be open to the true meaning in context of the whole story of salvation history.
I recall that same discussion from Bible in a Year and it was indeed helpful! That podcast was terrific in it's ability to comment on tough scripture passages shortly after they were read.
📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin: 🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians 3:15 1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis 2:24 2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓ 🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew 19:4-5 3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓ 🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians 5:31 4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓ 🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3 5. Is sex considered a sin❓ 🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18 6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓ 🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2 Conclusion: Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles. Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓ 7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy 30:19 8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew 5:37
Something Pope Francis has repeated (and was misunderstood and attacked for by some dishonest so-called traditionalists) is 'lead by example, talk only when necessary.' That's fundamental, because it's hard to believe us Catholics if we preach against sin but show just as sinful as anyone else in our daily life.
@@kwazooplayingguardsman5615 That’s just slander. The Holy Father said on an interview it is understandable, as far as legal protection goes, that civil normative guidelines deal with them. Yet the same Holy Father says in all MAGISTERIAL documents, even the ones those mentally disturbed “RadTrads” on Anglophone Internet hate the most - like _Amoris Laetitia,_ for example - they don’t have an intrinsic moral value whatsoever (‘au contrarie’, they are NEVER to be even compared to God’s designed sacrament of holy matrimony). Pope Francis own Apostolic Exortation “Amoris Laetitia” (2016): _”250. The Church makes her own the attitude of the Lord Jesus, who offers his bound- less love to each person without exception [275]. During the Synod, _*_we discussed the situation of families whose members include persons who experience same-sex attraction, a situation not easy either for parents or for children. We would like before all else to reaffirm that every person, regardless of sexual orientation, ought to be respected in his or her dignity and treated with consideration, while ‘every sign of unjust discrimination’ is to be carefully avoided_*_ [276], particularly any form of aggression and violence. _*_Such families should be given respectful pastoral guidance, so that those who manifest a homosexual orientation can receive the assistance they need to understand and fully carry out God’s will_*_ in their lives [277]”_ . _”251. In discussing the dignity and mission of the family, the Synod Fathers _*_observed that, “as for proposals to place unions between homosexual persons on the same level as marriage, there are ABSOLUTELY NO GROUNDS for considering H*O*M*O*S*E*X*U*A*L_*_ UNIONS to be in _*_ANY WAY similar or EVEN REMOTELY ANALOGOUS to God’s plan for marriage and family”. It is UNACCEPTABLE “that local Churches should be subjected to pressure in this matter and that international bodies should make financial aid to poor countries dependent on the introduction of laws to establish ‘marriage’ between persons of the same sex”_* [278]”. _______ [275] Cf. Bull Misericordiae Vultus, 12: AAS 107 (2015), 407. [276] Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2358; cf. Relatio Finalis 2015, 76. [277] Ibid. 190 [278] Relatio Finalis 2015, 76; cf. conGreGaTion for The doctrine of the faith, Considerations Regarding Proposals to Give Legal Recognition to Unions between H*om*o*s*ex*u*al Persons (3 June 2003), 4. “And you will know truth, and truth will set you free” (John 8, 32). From a truly conservative and truly traditionalist Brazilian 🇧🇷 friend. God bless!
@@kwazooplayingguardsman5615 What are civil unions? Are they equal to the Holy Sacrament of Marriage? And again, instead of acknowledging a good thing he said you attack by mentioning a possible mistake he's done. Stop being tribal, Catholics must be prudent (rational and unbiased) in their judgments.
Civil unions are just an abominable simulacra of marriage, it is still a perversion of the correct and ordered union, do we think rape is the same as sex?
Nothing new under the sun, it's all about power. I decide that your beliefs are hateful and dangerous, and that allows me to censor you. Have you read A Critique of Pure Tolerance by Herbert Marcuse published in 1965? That's the definitive leftist manifesto for censorship.
The accusation of hate is just an ad hominem since they can't refute actual arguments against their position. They have to attack their character instead.
It the justifying coming to church in their twisted sexuality and staying in their sin instead of repenting as God said. You change for God God doesn’t change for you.
Remember that we don't hate them; we want them to come to Christ and be cleansed of their sin! We want them to become good husbands to women/wives to men and good fathers/mothers to their own children- this is love!
It is not only ‘some moral objections’. The underlying objective is to deny minorities basic human rights which is wrapped into some twisted notion of Christian ‘love’. I also fail to understand what is actual immoral as I consider the sexual act between consenting adults as amoral. I don’t see any ‘moral’ dimension here.
📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin: 🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians 3:15 1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis 2:24 2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓ 🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew 19:4-5 3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓ 🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians 5:31 4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓ 🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3 5. Is sex considered a sin❓ 🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18 6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓ 🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2 Conclusion: Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles. Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓ 7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy 30:19 8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew 5:37
Im agnostic but by this logic, doesn't that mean you should be advocating for the death penalty for same sex couples? At least ones in sexual relationships? I mean if you're going to take that view of the bible, that it's forever confirming these moral failings, then surely the punishment should also be eternally mandated? Therefore, you need to advocate for the death penalty?
No, it doesn't mean that Christians should be advocating the death penalty; or at least, it depends on which framework you're using. One such framework that gets around that is the belief that Christians themselves aren't taught to enforce Judicial laws. Christians, in general, are citizens, thus, they've no say in legal matters. As citizens, what's the Biblical framework for treating other people? Loving and praying for them, even enemies. You can't do that while simultaneously trying to chant their deaths. Thus, in this framework, Christians aren't supposed to be advocating for the death penalty. Another framework that doesn't imply they should be advocating for it (If they live in some general country) is the belief that the death penalty in the OT law *only* applies to ancient Israel, as to get to the death penalty, it has to be under accordance with their legal system, i.e. judges and elders and the overall procedure with them. This video explains this framework pretty well: The Sabbath and the Death Penalty by David Wilber. Both frameworks are entirely consistent with what Trent is saying in this video. (You may not find those frameworks to be sound, which is fair, but all that's needed is having a logically valid framework that one can use that doesn't have that implication).
@@DragonKing101 okay let's use a new testament example then, and one which isn't legal, but interpersonal. jesus says "What god has joined, let no man seperate" which is very clear. divorce is forbidden. Christians divorce at essentially the same rate as Nonchriatians. Neither of your frameworks resolve this, its just flat out disobedience against Christ. jesus also says "If you love me, follow my commands" so seperating from your wife or husband, regardless of cause, basically makes you non christian as you have disobeyed him, which means you dont love him by his own words Either way, you certainly don't see Christians marching in the streets against Divorce. And even if we ignore legal divorce. Each christian in their own lives, countless of them still divorce and seperate. Which isnt a legal issue but an interpersonal choice they make themselves
@@ExtraVictory Sorry for not seeing this sooner. "jesus says "What god has joined, let no man seperate" which is very clear. divorce is forbidden. Christians divorce at essentially the same rate as Nonchriatians. Neither of your frameworks resolve this, its just flat out disobedience against Christ." Yes, neither of my frameworks resolves such an issue. That is because my framework doesn't attempt to answer it. My framework only is answering that you can work in certain models that do not imply Christians should be advocating for the death penalty on these people on Theological grounds, even *if* said Christians believe this law in the Law of Moses still applies to Christians. To summarize: My point is that there *are* frameworks you can work with that involve someone appealing to the law in certain places on what people aren't to do, even if said Christians don't believe they can legally enforce such a rule, but it doesn't follow from that that they should also be advocating for the punishment as well. Of course, these frameworks may be handwavy to you on someone saying that all the statements in each respective one are indeed true, which again, I think is fair. I'm just saying there are some valid (?) frameworks that some Christians work with that get around the implication. As for the rest, yeah, I agree that it is problematic behavior when a lot of these Christians do things while at the same time telling others not to do those same things.
Even if Levitikus falls completly under the old covenant and is irrelevant for Christians, 1 Corinthians 6:9 also condems homosexuality and calls it unrighteous.
Just to be clear the Mosaic Law represents the ceremonies and unjust laws of savage men, who's ideas were in conflict with known facts. Not a word of it comes from God.
I wish Father Martin would debate. Trent. I also wish that Father Martin would leave the Catholic Church instead of continuing to attempt to defile it and to bring it into ruin.
I do not wish him to be out of the church. But if he doesn't agree with the precepts of the church, why does he call himself a member? If he doesn't agree with them, then leave the church, go to another one and create your own. Why is that hard to understand?
Notice how everyone knows Fr. Martin by his support of LGBT, and not by his love and devotion to Christ as is his duty as a priest. Interesting how the Christians who push for sin are always so invested in it that it seemingly takes priority over God
This is very relevant for me as a same sex persons came back to our church this Sunday after they were asked to leave as they were kissing and holding hands in the pews of our traditional church and then tried to receive communion now they are back and wanted to speak to another priest (different than kicked them out) and our liberal bishop that was there 😓 we will see next week if they are there again and making out in church. I will say something to them. Because if you take the communion you’ve damed yourself to the fire and God did say we should tell them of their sin kindly and if they don’t listen we should take it to the church. I don’t see how people can’t or won’t see that homosexuality is a sin it explicitly states that in the Bible and even if they had not read the passages that state that. If God had meant for them to be together then their parts would fit 😅 just saying lol and yes an adulterer is a sinner sin doesn’t justify sin 🤦♀️ that doesn’t make you any less of a sinner. You change for God doesn’t change for you. 🕊️🙏🏼✝️💕
the only thing that matters is that Catholics are called to "take up your cross." "father" james martin wants homosexuals to deny their [admittedly heavy] cross and indulge.
I think that many provisions of the law of Moses on food were intended to avoid a sanitary crisis in a people who moved in the desert without soap, refrigerators or basic sanitation. Rules on hygiene and food safety were essential, including those prohibiting pork or shrimp. The latter are living beings that feed on the detritus of other animals, and can be easily contaminated with bacteria and cause food poisoning, diarrhea, dehydration or even death.
Eating shellfish isnt mentioned in the ten commandments, however nor commiting adultery is. This is why they want to redefine marriage, they think if theyre married, theyre not committing adultery, but marriage IS ONLY between a man and a woman. Jesus also told the people not to give mind to what someone eats, for if you aren't eating it as a way of salvation, it is simply a choice in food and not means to get closer to God.
That was well laid out...I don't know why any believers can't just believe the New Test & Saint Paul's writings on such matters & sin in general. If anyone does not hold to Church teaching & practice & sacred scripture then maybe their blatantly heterodox & need to get it together ijs, Pax Vobis to like minded believers in the Son of God
Very sad that we as laity have to tend for ourselves to keep us from doing things that displeases God. Priests are the keepers of God's flock. Don't understand why Bishops don't discipline priests who are not in line with God's teaching. Pray and do penance for the purification of our priests 🙏
@The Council of Trent - How would you respond to someone who tries to use this same line of thought to claim that all moneylending at interest is usury - and that you claiming that contexts have changed etc. to justify lending money at interest is simply your own version of the "Shellfish Objection"? (To be transparent I don't hold that interest lending is wrong - I could just see this being a line of attack that someone could use and would love to hear your response.) Thanks for all you do!
I think that we should realize that the Torah or Old Testament does not make the distinction between moral, civil and ceremonial laws, This is a distinction made by Christian interpreters since late patristic times. I once asked a rabbi about this and his answer was all of the Torah is equally binding. By the way the Jews also believe that only Jews and not Gentiles are bound by the laws of the Pentateuch. Gentiles are to follow the 7 Laws of Noah. As for the Mosaic Law I think a statement by the biblical scholar Theophile Meek is pertinent: The Hebrew Torah is not one consistent whole, the creation of a single legislator, Moses, or anyone else. Law comes into existence slowly to meet the changing needs of the times and this is evident in the Torah. Scholars recognize several codes , such as the Deuteronomic, the Holiness and the Priestly codes. The usage of stoning people to death would be regarded by most people as barbaric, outdated and unjust. All you have to do is look at the hideous cruelty involved is to watch these punishments meted out by Al Qaeda, the Taliban and Isis. Are we to advocate the punishments of Deuteronomy 13 for unbelief, Leviticus 25 for slavery, the death penalty for witchcraft, necromancy, sabbath violation, juvenile delinquency, adultery, idolatry, homosexuality? To ask the question is to answer the question these are laws of an ancient, semi-nomadic tribe and are inapplicable to any modern democracy. Another thing to note all of us treasure our natural and human rights to life, liberty, and property and the concept of rights was unknown to the biblical writers. They only recognized rules to be followed. Christian moral ideas may transcend sociological and scientific fact, but they are not independent of such data, and moral ideas may well have to be modified to bring them into relation with new discoveries. The development of the social sciences on mainly secular lines does not invalidate their usefulness for the Christian ethicist and theologian. When the Christian attitude to homosexuality was formed no accurate information was availableas to its extent and virtually nothing was known of its causes.
Also a quotation from Sigmund Freud in his letter to an American mother in 1935 is pertinent: Homosexuality is assuredly no advantage, but it is nothing to be ashamed of, no vice, no degredation. It cannot be classified as a mental illness; we consider it to be a variation of the sexual impulse, produced by a certain arrest of sexual development. . . It is a great injustice to persecute homosexuality as a crime and cruelty too. A view is often advanced that homosexuality is depavity.This is used as a vehicle of abuse but has little scientific meaning. It has been suggested that the ancient Romans became degenerate and lost world dominance through perverted sex or alternatively that homosexuality was a symptom of their degeneration but it is now believed that Rome's decline was due to political, economic and public health causes.
My response to this objection is this. 1) God never destroyed any nations for "eating shellfish". Nations were destroyed for homosexuality (lev 18). 2) As beastiality and incest are listed as the things God destroyed nations for in lev 18, are those who claim that jesus had no problem with homosexual acts also claiming that jesus had no problem with men sleeping with their mothers and animals? If christians are not allowed to say homosexual acts are sinful, then that would also have to apply to incest and beastiality.
James Martin is an activist. He's not a theologian or scholar. He's going to bend exegesis to his will for his purposes. It's a shame that his Bishop doesn't take action.
The Bible doesn't change. What's been inspired in the Bible is for Today, for Tomorrow, and forever. Religions can change whatever they like, at their own risk.
Not to mention even if we could somehow set aside the entire book of Leviticus, we still have 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10, which also clearly condemn it
@@josephdalelio6684 That's deep. The first word should be capitalized and then the rest are lowercase. Your limb and its manipulators failed you for the first time, for the last time. Something deeper is this: Is "belief", faith, from the heart or the brain? Now that question is more relevant to the discussion. What were we talking about again?
Beliefs are concepts that come from deep emotional convictions as well as conceptual constructs they embrace our thoughts and deep held beliefs. the use of the word heart is metaphorical it does not produce either thoughts, concepts or beliefs these are biological processes of the brain. My point is that numerous beliefs that were once advanced by Christian churches have been superceded or replaced by advances in social thought. you failed to grasp that. Most advances in Western civilization have been opposed and attacked by religious fanatics -to name a few -the emancipation and civil rights for women, democracy versus divine right of kings, an elaboration of civil and human rights for mankind, the teaching of the natural origins of life, the use of innoculations and pain killers for the treatment of diseases, the attribution of mental illness to natural causes rather than demonic possession, freedom of religion , the elimination of horrendous and barbaric punishments in the criminal codes of the western world and finally the abolition of the practice of slavery which was defended as both biblical and divine in origin. Res ipsa loquitur!
What I can't understand is why priests like Fr Martin are allowed to remain a priest. It's one reason why non-Catholics don't take the Catholic Church seriously.
I loved "The West Wing" but I always thought the scene were President Bartlett argues against laws in Leviticus was a bit oversimplified. This was presented as a "Gotcha" moment but failed to allow the other side to acknowledge that, over the last 2000 years, SOME Jewish scholars would have thought about these objections. Instead, Bartlett's religious opponents sit dumbfounded as if some secret flaw had just been uncovered by Aaron Sorkin!
America needs qualified people to publicly debate the issue _Is the Bible God's Word_ There are a lot of argument's it is not God's word and is simply the mistaken ideas of ancient savage men.
i don't recall eating shellfish having a death penalty, nor does wearing mixed fabric, or planting more then 1 crop per a field. by all means feel free to point out what punishment is for disobeying them. i bet you won't find it. because the punishment is already baked in. for example. i like how people go to the shellfish over not eating pigs. because they know pigs in that time and area have very nasty ring worms so of course you want to avoid eating them. same with shellfish. at that time eating them could result in nasty food poisoning or even death due to the inability to cook them properly. mixing crops on a field could result on the crops failing and mixing fabrics could result in rashes God knew going into the nitty gritty would go over the peoples heads and why would be incredibly confused as explaining parasites and what not just wouldn't work for the people of that time and place so just easy to go with a trust me bro approach to these rules. God wanted his people to live long and healthy lives so if they didn't obey there was no punishment because he was trying to help them avoid something bad from happening and if they disobeyed God didn't list a punishment for disobeying these things already came with risks that if one does their research will understand why he told the to not do it
You're not considering a different explanation. That Leviticus has nothing to do with God, it's simply the writings of ancient savage men. What's your rebuttal to the RUclips video _The Bible's Absurd Passages about Periods._ How do you explain this as God's word?
@@SergeantSkeptic686 cute moving the goal post fallacy and red herring fallacies. so you forfeit the homo and shellfish argument i take it. but hey i'll play ball. wow the video admits to them washing themselves even reading the passage says it and it gots 13 versus are how identify the problem, to properly clean ones self and the items touched in order to avoid spreading disease and only 2 verses are dedicated to ritual sacrifice which the dumb dumb of the video overly hyper focuses on like it somehow is some big gotcha. and again the passages is how to recognize the period and take care of it dwarf the part he is cherry picking and complaining about and again nobody is put to death and no punishment is distributed to the people for not following them. because the punishment again is baked in. disease is a big big problem back then. periods might not be a big problem now but back them could be life ending the guy in the video is a cynical old man that can't see the forest for the trees and thinks he is way smarter then he really is using quote mining and ignoring context, and most the whole chapter, to build an argument. but that is the typical type of atheist the only thing he could whine about is sacrificing 2 pigeons but hey that is just survival of the fittest evolution. the pigeons don't want to get sacrificed then they should have evolved to avoid it. you atheist really can't call anything "savage" or immoral as its just star dust bumping into star dust :edit and the sacrifice of pigeons is not in any way mentioned as the cure or means to handle periods. the washing and cleaning is and the sacrifice is after the fact as a means to thank God for nothing bad happing to you through the process
Blood sacrifice, circumcision (genital mutilation), and death penalty seem to suggest it was all manmade. I'm not dismissing its utility. Avoiding disease, staying hygienic, and propagating the species are all important. But I think it's wisdom arrived at philosophically, and then attributed to God.
The ONLY reason one would be able to buy into the shellfish arguments to justify homosexuality is because they have not submitted to their LORD. Catholicism teaches you to submit to the LORD by submitting to His Body every day.
The "shellfish objection" brings to mind the "snails and oysters" scene in the 1960 movie Spartacus, where the the Crassus character played by Lawrence Olivier trying to seduce Antonio, the character played by Tony Curtis. So that line of attack is not as new as some might think.
Crassus is using a pretty crude (by 1960’s standards) sexual innuendo. Trent’s use of the term “shellfish objection” is a reference to the ancient Jewish dietary law. Not really the same thing.
I wish there was a "love" button for situations like these, where the video deserves more than a "like." This explained things so well and in a way I can understand. Thank you so much!
Great job on this explanation, Trent. It seems to be a convenient omission to leave out the distribution between moral and ritual rules in Leviticus for those who want to use Scripture to justify homosexuality and other "abominable" acts. It's also a shame that Fr. Martin conveniently omits citing the Catechism on this subject as this is within the authority of the Church to say what is and isn't a sin. Tradition, Scripture, and Magisterium are the three pillars of our Church, not just one or two of them when we feel like it.
Leviticus 18 ends with the explanation sexual transgressions are normalized in the land of Caanan and gives this as justification for why God is taking away that land from the Caananites and giving it to the Jewish people. If sexual morality precepts were something that God intended only for the Jewish people before Christ, then it makes no sense to say that God is punishing the Caanaite people for not following them.
📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin: 🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians 3:15 1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis 2:24 2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓ 🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew 19:4-5 3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓ 🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians 5:31 4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓ 🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3 5. Is sex considered a sin❓ 🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18 6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓ 🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2 Conclusion: Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles. Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓ 7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy 30:19 8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew 5:37
Again, this only says sodomy is sinful. If a homosexual is chaste, it is not sinful. Why is everyone assuming Father James Martin believes sodomy is not sinful when he clearly could be referring to the second option, that homosexuals living in chastity should not be put to death.
@@signumcrucis4172 In your attempt to justify this sin, you’ve only proven your ignorance of scripture because you refuse to see & listen to our Father’s words❗️ 🕊️“Again a message came to me from the Lord: “Son of man, you live among rebels who have eyes but refuse to see. They have ears but refuse to hear. For they are a rebellious people.” Ezekiel 12:1-2 Did Jesus abolish the law❓ 🕊️“Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose.” Matthew 5:17 What does our Father’s law do within our heart❓ 🕊️“They demonstrate that God’s law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right.” Romans 2:15 Do our thoughts separate us from our Father❓ 🔥“For perverse thoughts separate men from God, and when his power is tested, it convicts the foolish.” Wisdom of Solomon 1:3 Does this separation from our Father include those who find themselves far away from him❓ 🔥“This includes you who were once far away from God. You were his enemies, separated from him by your evil thoughts and actions.” Colossians 1:21 Are we asked to repent for our evil thoughts as well❓ 🔥“Repent of your wickedness and pray to the Lord. Perhaps he will forgive your evil thoughts,” Acts of the Apostles 8:22 🔥“Let the wicked change their ways and banish the very thought of doing wrong. Let them turn to the Lord that he may have mercy on them. Yes, turn to our God, for he will forgive generously.” Isaiah 55:7 Not only is the action of homosexuality a sin but the thought of it as well❗️ Is your ignorance of scripture acceptable to our Father❓ 🔥“Don’t excuse yourself by saying, “Look, we didn’t know.” For God understands all hearts, and he sees you. He who guards your soul knows you knew. He will repay all people as their actions deserve.” Proverbs 24:12 🔥“God overlooked people’s ignorance about these things in earlier times, but now he commands everyone everywhere to repent of their sins and turn to him.” Acts of the Apostles 17:30 Should we compromise with evil❓ 🕊️“Joyful are people of integrity, who follow the instructions of the Lord. Joyful are those who obey his laws and search for him with all their hearts. They do not compromise with evil, and they walk only in his paths.” Psalms 119:1-3 Should you examine & test yourself to determine if your faith in Jesus is genuine❓ 🔥“Examine yourselves to see if your faith is genuine. Test yourselves. Surely you know that Jesus Christ is among you; if not, you have failed the test of genuine faith.” 2 Corinthians 13:5 🔥“Think carefully about what is right, and stop sinning. For to your shame I say that some of you don’t know God at all.” 1 Corinthians 15:34
@@signumcrucis4172Leviticus, Corinthians, and the New Testament too. Old and New Testament confirm Sodomy and homosexuality is a sin. (Both go hand to hand). I’m tiered of you spinning confusion and misinformation.
The argument is strengthened by the NT. Paul outlines two legitimate vocations: celibacy and heterosexual marriage. Fornication is obviously defined as sexual activity outside of heterosexual marriage which is condemned by both Jesus and Paul. Critics utilize "argument from ignorance" to the extreme here. The burden of proof is on both sides. If homosexuality is not a sin, it must, therefore, be a virtue. Critics must prove with Biblical evidence that homosexuality was ever a virtue.
To be honest, that priests such as Fr Martin are not disciplined and/or removed for blatant heresy is making it difficult to fully embrace Catholicism. There seems to be little to no discipline on the left in the church- those in the pews and in the holy ministry.
The charge is silly and shows no understanding of the Old and New Testament. Homosexuality was condemned in the Old Testament and the New Testament. Dietary laws were for Old Testament and are not reaffirmed in the New Testament
A simpler argument would be to ask them to show where in the Bible God approves of homosexuality. It's easier to defend polygamy (which is evil) than homosexuality.
Stuff like the shellfish objection annoys me. If there wasn't any verse about shellfish these people ould still be OK with men having sex with other men so whatever. 2:59 Ugh that scene. The pro-gay marriage lot never stop with that one.
📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin: 🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians 3:15 1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis 2:24 2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓ 🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew 19:4-5 3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓ 🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians 5:31 4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓ 🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3 5. Is sex considered a sin❓ 🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18 6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓ 🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2 Conclusion: Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles. Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓ 7. We’re we warned about certain people who would enter our Father’s church and claim that his grace allows for us to live immoral lives❓ 🔥“Dear friends, I had been eagerly planning to write to you about the salvation we all share. But now I find that I must write about something else, urging you to defend the faith that God has entrusted once for all time to his holy people. I say this because some ungodly people have wormed their way into your churches, saying that God’s marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives. The condemnation of such people was recorded long ago, for they have denied our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. So I want to remind you, though you already know these things, that Jesus first rescued the nation of Israel from Egypt, but later he destroyed those who did not remain faithful. And I remind you of the angels who did not stay within the limits of authority God gave them but left the place where they belonged. God has kept them securely chained in prisons of darkness, waiting for the great day of judgment. And don’t forget Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighboring towns, which were filled with immorality and every kind of sexual perversion. Those cities were destroyed by fire and serve as a warning of the eternal fire of God’s judgment.” Jude 1:3-7 8. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy 30:19 9. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew 5:37
The millennium is the end of the cycle of the end of sin. Man had a thousand years curse the day Adam and Eve disobeyed God. A day is like a thousand years. The oldest man was Methuselah, he lived 969 years, and the last Adam lived 30 years as the Son of man, a human- Jesus Christ, then He was filled with the Holy Spirit, to become the Son of God 100%God and 100% man, just like the first Adam, who was created flesh and God breathed into his nostrils, to have 100% God in 100% man. Thus, when the mystery of iniquity is dealt with, after the 70th week year of Israel, then the whole world will be destroyed at the second coming of Jesus Christ. This will usher in the kingdom of God, for which Jesus Christ came to preach to Israel, before the gospel of grace- for both Israel and the gentiles, because they rejected their King. The scriptures are going back in cycles, we're now in Genesis 6, 11 and 47.It is like going back to the garden of Eden Isaiah 65; Genesis 5, when man will have to live out the whole 1000 years curse, which ends the wages of sin- death, which ends the cycle of creation, until the new heavens and the new earth is established, where there's no more sin and death. Then the judgment and rewards, abd the institution of mandatory pilgrimage to the New Jerusalem, and then, the Sabbath will be observed, signifying the end of work of both Creation and Redemption of the lost soul of man. Isaiah 66. Every nation will worship God, because there will no longer be evil or Satan present. All have been judged and cast into the lake of fire and brimstone- including death, hell, satan, the antichrist and his false prophets and those that bare his mark. The world will be as God in tended it right from the beginning, after the old earth and the heavens are completely destroyed by fire. 2 Peter 2:10-13; Isaiah 65:17; 66:,15-16, 22; 30:30;9:5 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:8; Joel 2:10;; Nahum 1:5; Zephaniah 1:15-28; 3:8: Ezekiel 32:7-9; Revelation 20:1; Revelation 20:9-11, etc.
Actually, God is not dealing with the world on a personal level at this time, but He has made a way for anyone who seeks Him to gain access into fellowship with Him by grace, through faith in the sacrificial death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, His only Begotten Son, our Lord and Savior. Just because a person is touted as a pastor of a church, doesn't mean he/she has this access to God. How can they dishonor the very very God they purport to represent except they're lying. There's a proverb that says no two people can be deceived- the only person doing the deception is the only one being deceived, just like a blind man who states that he couldn't see only because he has his eyes shut. He wouldn't even see if he had them open. Those deriving some sort of elation from dishonoring the name of God in Christ Jesus, are actually themselves deceived, and they love it so. God fights His own battles. He says "vengeance is mine, and I will repay " - oh, how He does repay! Unfortunately, they would have forgotten how they got the repayment, so they thump their noses at God in absolute defiance, blaming God for their own actions and their consequences. Actually, these people are the very ones who seek God in private but think that He wouldn't receive them, thus, they dig deeper into their mischief shamefacedly, rather than be humble and go to God in repentance. They hurt so much when they're alone and their audience are no where to be found. They pretty up and face them boldfacedly, but hiding their shame and regrets. Fortunately, the door to salvation of their souls is still open. Salvation is for them who are tired of living a double life- the one they show to the people around them in order to be cool and accepted, and the real one they're hiding, hoping no one but the Holy Spirit would see. He does see, and is making this last call. Whosoever has ear to hear, let him hear and heed this call. They will not have any excuses on that day, for this will be brought to their remembrance, and God, in Christ Jesus will judge righteously and mete out pertinent punishment or rewards. They can't mess with other religions and idols because they are merciless. They get their followers to fight for them, even kill for them, and even kill themselves in order to be rewarded by them, but these idols don't mess with God or His Anointed people. (But God got His Own Son to die so that anyone who believes in Him should not perish!). Unfortunately, all who are mocking Him and refuse this great work of redemption of their souls, will have to go through everything Jesus Christ went through for them by His cursed death on the cross of Calvary, even more, in order to pay for their sins and mockery of His great grace. Job 14:20-22; 20:11; 21:26, 32; 30:23:24; Psalm 49:14; Isaiah 66:24. Revelation 19. But Believers in Christ- Luke 9:27; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-58; Psalm 49:15; 16:10-11; Isaiah 26:19; Matthew 26:51-53; John 8:51; Ephesians 2:6;1:6 etc. These demons and devils and gods actually tremble at the mention of the name of Jesus Christ, the name that has been highly exalted above all names in the heaven, on the earth and under the earth! Everyone has a choice to make, but remember that those who are laughing with you at this time as you blaspheme the name that bought you, will definitely laugh at you on that day if they make a wise choice now! We're still in the acceptable year of the Lord but it's fast closing, the day of vengeance of our God is getting started as we see the signs Luke 4:17-19; Isaiah 61:2; 63:4. Jesus Christ is Lord of and over all! Amen!
Perhaps the Catholic Church use of *Latin, as the ecclesiastical language, served a similar purpose to unite and separate Catholics,* from unbelieving neighbors, as did the dietary laws of the OT Israelites.
Actually, Latin was once extremely common in the academic world. I think that Latin was chosen as the language of the Church because of its widespread use among scholars at the time, not to set Catholics apart from non-believers.
@@bethanyjohnson8001 I did not say that was *why* Latin was chosen as the ecclesiastical language. I said the use of Latin, as the ecclesiastical language, *served the same purpose* as Israel's dietary laws. *Latin united Catholics and set them apart from non-Catholics,* for religious functions.
God provided the Jews with laws that set them apart form the rest of the world/society, and Christ set His Church apart from the rest of the world/society and that shouts loudly against any anyone attempting to blend the Church into the world/society. James Martin is wrong.
Some eternal laws and some temporary laws??? How can that be? You want to make up your own stuff. The prohibitions are moral prohibitions or they are nothing. I just can not follow this gibberish.
I do not believe Moses received the 603 laws from God. I think the Pharisees added that claim. Here is why...Jesus said the whole law could be summed up in 2 commandments which are loving God and loving fellow man. Now apply that as you read a list of the Moses law. Makes no sense God told moses to stick around Moses to "stay and listen to the rest" after the 10 and then went "ok you can beat the slaves a little bit but not so hard they cant get up in 3 days, be kind to the stranger in your land, do not sell a beautiful woman, oh yes yes and make sure you build a parapet on the roof, oh and yes we need a few specific shekel fine amounts for these rules, and um definitely need to add that if your house is in a walled city it has to be redeemed in a year. Moses...Moses are you getting all this? Ok moving on, tell the people also that uh if you find a murdered body in the wild that they should sacrifice a cow by a river." I say the only list that makes sense is that which fits in the idea of loving God, meaning how to love and worship the true God and each other. If you love your wife you wont cheat or anything. If you love God you wouldnt ignore Him. Jesus did say he comes not to destroy the law but the use of the word law seems to be different in different places. Did Jesus mean the 10 commandments, the 6 he mentions, or 613 including never ever freeing a Canaanite slave for life and passing them down to family until they die.
THANK you for doing this specific video. This topic of moral law vs other laws from OT were a huge fuzzy area for me and I've listened to Catholic radio for over a decade and have never heard such a great explanation before. Please talk more on moral vs pedagogical law!
If you have any interest in listening to someone with a different viewpoint, I'd suggest the RUclips video _The Bible's Absurd Passages about Periods._
I have done a lot of reading of Jewish commentaries. First, the prohibition of mixing cloths was to prohibit a profane use of a mixture of cloths that was used in the wilderness temple, hence it was sacred. ( Fr Martin mocks this divine command.) Second, there is a prohibition of using a certain compound of incense that you guessed it already was used in the wilderness temple, hence it was sacred and thus set aside. And, the big punchline about not eating pork and other such commands that don't make sense is that they have been commanded by God. So, it doesn't matter if a command makes sense to us or not. There's a command for a man to be put to death if he does not honor his father and mother :: obviously this command like others was to have a deterrant effect, there is no record of this command ever being carried out, or the water torture test of a woman's marital fidelity. A large number of the Torah commands have to do directly with the temple, and so do not even apply to modern Jews, much less to non-Jews, except in their power to persuade us to respect the sacred. A better argument that Fr Martin could make about Leviticus is that the Sinai covenant was only made with the Jews. Today, Jews are of the opinion that Gentiles like us are not enjoined to those commandments at all, but only to the Noahide covenant. Even St Paul makes the case that if a man is circumcised he becomes liable for adherence to all those commands of the Sinai covenant. He is not just making that up out of thin air. So, at the very least, he was using the Noahide argument as a case for Christians to not be circumcised, because the Sinai covenant had run its course, been fulfilled in Christ, and we were thereafter under the new covenant or testament.
iN ADDITION THE COMMANDS FOR THE DEATH PENALTIES WERE HEDGED IN BY THE NECESSITY OF 2 OR 3 EYE WITNESSES WHICH EFFECTIVELY PROHIBITED THEIR USES IN ADDITION RABBINIC COMMENTARIES ON THE TORAH PRACTICALLY MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO EVER USE CAPITAL PUNISHMENT, PLUS WE HAVE NO RECORDED USE OF THE DEATH PENALTY FOR HOMOSEXUALITY IN ANCIENT ISRAEL OR JUDAH..
As an traditionalist Episcopalian, thanks for making this video, and giving more information of apologetics for the case against homosexuality. God bless!
As much as the hebrew roots community whines about it, the question of shellfish is not a topic of natural law, but violations of the 6th commandment certainly are
I always emphasize the point you made about the punishment being the same. The Bible says neither will inherit the kingdom of heaven. Why would being m*lested send you to Hell? Clearly two adults.
The idea that the text isnt limited to sex between men and children because some other society had heard of another kind of same sexual relations is silly. How the fuck does anyone listen to this guy?
Maybe make a video about heterosexuals who are permitted to have sexual relationships, yet they choose to divorce and get remarried, or who have recreational sex before marriage and not for the purposes of procreation. If these people are not equally criticised and demonised then there are a lot of double standards, hypocrisy and unjustified prejudice.
Hey Trent, I have been covering this topic (the inconsistencies of Christianity) extensively on my channel. I would love to have a conversation someday.
How is Fr. Martin allowed to speak publicly about this subject? His Bishop should give him a stern warning to stop speaking about this unless reading verbatim the teaching from the Catechism/Canon Law. He needs to be made an example of. I don't think he should have his priesthood taken away, as long as he agrees to not speak on homosexually in a way that is against Church teaching. If he refuses, he should be stripped of his priestly duties.
Did he say sodomy is ok? It's unfair to judge him by a clip taken out of context. I haven't seen a single instance where he says sodomy is ok so its weird for Trent to use a clip without providing more information about it assuming he is saying that sodomy is ok.
Fr. Martin gets away with a lot because of what he doesn't say explicitly. For example, when he says he asks people if they follow other aspects of Mosaic law when they bring up OT teaching on homosexuality, he is clearly implying that he believes in the very least that the OT teaching on this could be wrong. He doesn't have to specifically state that he thinks sodomy is okay to be in the wrong about this. We are all called to be witnesses to the Faith (You shall not bear false witness). He is being a false witness by bringing up what Trent calls the Shellfish Argument.@@signumcrucis4172
We have passages in the New Testament that reaffirm homosexuality as a sin, while the ceremonial Mosaic law is put to rest as fulfilled. This really isn't that hard of an argument to debunk. Thanks Trent.
I've pointed that out and people think I'm making things up. Unfortunately, some people don't want to understand
1 Corinthians 6:9 - homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom.
Very right. The beginning of Romans is pretty clear enough on what debauchery the Romans are engaging in.
When Jesus says that what you eat does not defile you, but the things that defile come from the heart, which includes adultery and unchastity among other things. Sodomy would've universally been understood in a Jewish context as being included in that. If Jesus wanted to revise that teaching he would've said so, but just for good measure St. Paul had to reiterate that teaching when preaching to the gentiles.
📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin:
🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians 3:15
1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓
🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis 2:24
2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓
🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew 19:4-5
3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓
🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians 5:31
4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓
🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3
5. Is sex considered a sin❓
🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18
6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓
🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2
Conclusion:
Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles.
Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓
7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓
🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy 30:19
8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓
🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew 5:37
As a Protestant, you’ve become one of my favorite Christian channels on this site. You’re so well researched and well spoken. God Bless!
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Thanks for speaking out on this important issue. So many in our culture see this as a stumbling block for conversion, because they think Christians are hypocrites for calling some sins out over others.
I have a habit of blaming Protestantism for every single thing wrong with Christianity, but I think its culpability in the case of sexuality is OBVIOUS. Whoever thinks sex, as commonly understood, is a beautiful gift to be enjoyed between a married man and his wife has SORELY misunderstood Catholic teaching. If you're doing anything in the bedroom that could be considered "fun" then you probably need to go to Confession. Unless the angels and saints, the Blessed Virgin and YOUR VERY OWN MOTHER could watch what transpires in your marital bed in complete joyful approval, then YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG. Nowhere, ever, were we given marriage as an acceptable outlet for lust or pride or sloth or gluttony or greed or envy (or even wrath for the S & M weirdos). As a society, we no longer see marriage as an inferior spiritual state. I even heard one young lady ask a priest how he handles being deprived of the ability to express love! In other words, our culture has become so perverted that we equate sex with love. And because we've made an idol out of sex, we unfairly scapegoat gays and force them to shoulder the guilt of all of our disordered sexuality. My goodness, shame on us! Lust between two humans is equally disgusting, whether it's man and wife or boyfriend and boyfriend. And it's so easy to see where Protestantism followed Martin Luther's lead on this...look at their pastors, scarfing down their big lush meals, bought with their six figure salaries, and carrying on their flesh-fest to the bedroom, knocking up their baby-factory wives, and writing sermons about it (and if you think I'm being melodramatic here, Luther was not shy writing about his "private" life with Katie von Bora, former nun)
@@wayned803Chief, you wrote a very weird comment. And why are you so focused on someone's mother, people have fathers as well you know. Regardless, why would you want any of the Saints or your own Father and Mother to watch you engage in sexual intercourse with your spouse? You are being really weird.
@@CatholicCarlismEnjoyer on this day of SAINT AUGUSTINE of all people, we must keep in mind what a truly depraved act sex is, unless we just want to give "poetic lip service" to Original Sin
This issue is our unique obsession with homosexuality. There are many sins that we wouldn’t treat people as poorly for as we do homosexuality.
@@IRepkonormalization and widespread acceptance of homosexual behaviour is simply a stepping stone to socially engineer people to accept pedophilia. The transgender and trans kids stuff is a logical consequence of making concessions on homosexuality/bisexuality. Normalized pederasty/pedophilia is a logical consequence of trans kids and children being able to "consent" to sexual relationships with adults.
We have Weimar Republic problems all over again.
Christians everywhere need to see that working so hard to take what is evil and call it ok is nothing but harmful to souls (and bodies and societies). It is not charity no matter how well intentioned. Christ's new covenant is what we must abide by if we hope to share in the Resurrection. Thank you, Trent Horn.
Amen, Father.
So there are still some decent Jesuits left after all.
📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin:
🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians 3:15
1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓
🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis 2:24
2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓
🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew 19:4-5
3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓
🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians 5:31
4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓
🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3
5. Is sex considered a sin❓
🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18
6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓
🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2
Conclusion:
Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles.
Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓
7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓
🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy 30:19
8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓
🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew 5:37
Nothing harmful with two people loving each other. Nothing to ‘call out’. Keep it to yourself 🤣
@@maxmaximus2608sexual activity ≠ love
The arguments in favor of normalizing the LGBT lifestyle using the shellfish objection is easily refutable as Trent does here in the section "Moral vs Pedagogical Laws", yet it is frustrating that those in favor of normalization still push their errors.
Frustrating but not surprising. There have always been those who twist the Scripture to their own destruction (2 Peter 3:16).
📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin:
🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians 3:15
1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓
🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis 2:24
2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓
🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew 19:4-5
3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓
🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians 5:31
4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓
🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3
5. Is sex considered a sin❓
🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18
6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓
🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2
Conclusion:
Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles.
Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓
7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓
🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy 30:19
8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓
🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew 5:37
@robertstephenson6806no the USA as founded by Catholics look at your history better
@robertstephenson6806 Only what's universally immoral should be legislated against, I agree there.
However, God's morals are by definition universal. A "secular" government must by necessity look Christian, or it's objectively wrong. Separation of Church and State thus must be about separation between clergy and laity.
This is just how it is.
@robertstephenson6806 so it isn't illegal, but it's still a sin? So what's your point?
Jesus certainly did speak against homosexuality in Matt 5:32, 19:9 and Mark 7:21 where He uses the word "unchastity", "immorality" and “fornications” which includes adultery, incest, premarital infidelity, homosexuality, bestiality and any other sexual conduct condemned in the OT.
📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin:
🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians 3:15
1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓
🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis 2:24
2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓
🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew 19:4-5
3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓
🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians 5:31
4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓
🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3
5. Is sex considered a sin❓
🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18
6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓
🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2
Conclusion:
Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles.
Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓
7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓
🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy 30:19
8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓
🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew 5:37
Careful though, is homosexuality synonymous with sodomy? If so, can only heterosexuals be in the Church?
Does it?
Jesus did spoke on the Old testament when he destroyed Sodom and Gomora.
@@Ekim1740 I don't think there's anywhere in the Bible that says Sodom and Gomorrah's sin was homosexuality.
Trent, your analogy of ritual and moral to holding your hand while crossing the street and not drinking what's under the sink is brilliant! Short and simple. Thanks.
Trent - "we're going to take a measured analysis of God's moral law."
Fr. Maritn - "It's good to laugh at Scripture."
He didn't say that. You shouldn't slander.
@@JudeMalachi it is a slanderous characterization. But of course, you are biased against him due to this channel and so you have become numb to sin.
@@signumcrucis4172 Lol Fr. Martin adorns his church in Pride flags and promotes homosexuality to an almost obssessive degree but you claim this other guy is "numb to sin..." That's laughable. Martin is preaching heresy and worse, getting away with it.
By they way, slander is spoken, libel is written.
@@signumcrucis4172he may as well have. And you know it.
He knows what his reputation is, and he doesn't care. So why do you care so much?
@@signumcrucis4172if you think a channel as milk toast as Trent is what makes some biased, (I love you Trent!)
Well, I don't have much faith in your ability to be charitable let's just say that.
Genuine question, how has Father Martin been able to continue being a priest when he actively teaches and preaches AGAINST the Catechism?
That’s a question for his superiors. Anything from us would be mere speculation. -Kyle
Possible because he is a fellow jesuit & buddy of Francis?
@@femaleKCRoyalsFanExactly. Francis teaches that sodomy is fine with him by appointing sodomy condoning Bishops and having homosexual sex as moral a part of his "Synodal" way.
@@TheCounselofTrentMartin's "superiors" are Jesuits. They agree with him. The Bishop in Martin's diocese should laicize him. But no. Only faithful orthodox priests are cancelled in today's ape of the Church.
@@carolynkimberly4021That’s false slander against Pope Francis. He has multiple times taught that it is sin. Go to confession for calumny.
I'd like to ask Fr. Martin if bestiality is morally okay or not since he dismissed the verse about homosexuality, perhaps he will one day dismiss the next verses.
For the sheer sake of convenience, I typically refute shellfish objections by pointing out obvious condemnations of homosexuality, like when Paul includes it with a list of other mortal sins like greed, theft, murder, adultery, etc. in Corinthians. That way the shellfish proponent can no longer fall on the claim that it's "just a part of the Jewish law which has been fulfilled" because here Paul is stating that it's still wrong.
Surprised Trent didn’t include it. Could’ve made this video much shorter lol
📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin:
🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians 3:15
1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓
🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis 2:24
2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓
🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew 19:4-5
3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓
🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians 5:31
4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓
🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3
5. Is sex considered a sin❓
🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18
6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓
🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2
Conclusion:
Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles.
Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓
7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓
🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy 30:19
8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓
🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew 5:37
@@Antonio.R.O.C. is homosexuality the same thing as sodomy? Are you saying only heterosexuals can be in the Church?
@@signumcrucis4172If you are celibate you aren't homosexual. Maybe I'm just being pedantic, but in Catholicism it's not possible to identify with a sin. E.g: If I like to eat it's fine, I won't be a glutton until I actually go and overeat. Similarly, I can't be an alcoholic if I never drank alcohol, even if my genes would somehow guarantee I would be if I drank.
If we were our inclinations then we're doomed. I'd be a murderer, fornicator, verbal abuser, glutton, etc. just because of having an intrusive thought for these at least once. But all praise to God, who didn't make it so.
Edit: Example failed. I was an actual fornicator before my conversion. God have mercy.
But let's use my misshap for expanding this. I said I "was" a fornicator, meaning I left it behind. A homosexual/sodomite could likewise stop being homosexual.
On another note, please pray for me.
@@signumcrucis4172the homosexual act along with other kinds of sexual immorality is included in the term ‘sodomy’, yes.
Matthew 19:4-6 clearly states the view that Jesus has on marriage. Marriage is unequivocally outlined as a sacred union between a man and a woman as by God’s design. Jesus also tells us after a few verses that if we don’t marry then we should be like eunuchs, that is not have sexual relationships. Therefore, if same-sex marriage cannot happen and we shall not have sexual relationships outside of marriage, I don’t see how some people seem to think that Jesus thought is was ok to have homosexual relationships instead. That being said Jesus also saved an adulterous woman from execution, claiming that no one is without sin. While it is unambiguous that homosexuality is a sin for Christianity, we are also taught to love one another and even to love our enemies as ourselves. We shouldn’t be hostile towards other sinners as we ourselves aren’t perfect.
That being said I don’t think homosexuality is the be-all end-all of sins. People who overly fixate on homosexuality as something sinful in my experience do so in bad faith. It’s good to stand on solid ground against the cultural shift that is happening to avoid blurring the lines between good and evil, but we also must be careful not to be overly reactionary and end up mistreating other people as a result. We shouldn’t judge each other for sinning but help each other to get out of sin with tact and empathy.
@@covonedigrano7491 Sins that cry out to heaven for vengeance include sodomy
@@femaleKCRoyalsFan ok but what does Jesus teach us with most of his parables regarding sin? Look at the prodigal son or the lost sheep or the workers in the vineyard. Instead of casting judgment on other people which we should never do, we should *help* other people be reconciled with God and be glad if they do. I see a lot of people instead cast judgment on others and use that as an excuse to congratulate (even implicitly) themselves. If I say "gay people are terrible sinners" implicitly by not being gay in my mind I'm not a sinner anymore, or my sins can be excused because there are "worse" sins out there. That's not the point of Christianity, we are *all* children of God and if we see a brother or sister fall into sin we should help them, not judge them. And we shouldn't congratulate ourselves for our "righteousness" while judging those who we deem unrighteous, see Luke 18:10-14 the man justified before God isn't the one congratulating and exhalting himself for his good deeds but the one who humbles himself.
@@covonedigrano7491I agree, as sinners ourselves, we must seek forgiveness and pray for others to seek Jesus. Love in the bare sense is to care for another without force. We have to inform them the sins of homosexuality or really anything LGBT+ and pray they seek the light, the ball would be on their court to accept God's Love (Caritas Dei) or not.
The sad reality is many don't even want to hear religious beliefs, so they must be informed in other ways, like science or they must ask themselves why things are made in the way they are.
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Trent you need to keep making videos like this, pointing out the errors of these evil priests. I know you don’t like to do that kind of stuff but in a time like today we need clarity from reliable sources.
Thank you Trent. I remember Fr. Mike Schmitz mentioning the distinctions in the laws in the Old Testament while doing Bible in a Year. Appreciate the clarity of God's plan unfolding over time due to our sinfulness, that understanding makes sense.
Unfortunately, Fr. James Martin seems to have a predetermined meaning of scripture in mind and doesn't want to be open to the true meaning in context of the whole story of salvation history.
I recall that same discussion from Bible in a Year and it was indeed helpful! That podcast was terrific in it's ability to comment on tough scripture passages shortly after they were read.
📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin:
🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians 3:15
1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓
🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis 2:24
2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓
🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew 19:4-5
3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓
🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians 5:31
4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓
🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3
5. Is sex considered a sin❓
🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18
6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓
🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2
Conclusion:
Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles.
Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓
7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓
🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy 30:19
8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓
🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew 5:37
Something Pope Francis has repeated (and was misunderstood and attacked for by some dishonest so-called traditionalists) is 'lead by example, talk only when necessary.' That's fundamental, because it's hard to believe us Catholics if we preach against sin but show just as sinful as anyone else in our daily life.
And then the holy father says that civil unions for gays ought to exist.
@@kwazooplayingguardsman5615 That’s just slander. The Holy Father said on an interview it is understandable, as far as legal protection goes, that civil normative guidelines deal with them. Yet the same Holy Father says in all MAGISTERIAL documents, even the ones those mentally disturbed “RadTrads” on Anglophone Internet hate the most - like _Amoris Laetitia,_ for example - they don’t have an intrinsic moral value whatsoever (‘au contrarie’, they are NEVER to be even compared to God’s designed sacrament of holy matrimony).
Pope Francis own Apostolic Exortation “Amoris Laetitia” (2016):
_”250. The Church makes her own the attitude of the Lord Jesus, who offers his bound- less love to each person without exception [275]. During the Synod, _*_we discussed the situation of families whose members include persons who experience same-sex attraction, a situation not easy either for parents or for children. We would like before all else to reaffirm that every person, regardless of sexual orientation, ought to be respected in his or her dignity and treated with consideration, while ‘every sign of unjust discrimination’ is to be carefully avoided_*_ [276], particularly any form of aggression and violence. _*_Such families should be given respectful pastoral guidance, so that those who manifest a homosexual orientation can receive the assistance they need to understand and fully carry out God’s will_*_ in their lives [277]”_ .
_”251. In discussing the dignity and mission of the family, the Synod Fathers _*_observed that, “as for proposals to place unions between homosexual persons on the same level as marriage, there are ABSOLUTELY NO GROUNDS for considering H*O*M*O*S*E*X*U*A*L_*_ UNIONS to be in _*_ANY WAY similar or EVEN REMOTELY ANALOGOUS to God’s plan for marriage and family”. It is UNACCEPTABLE “that local Churches should be subjected to pressure in this matter and that international bodies should make financial aid to poor countries dependent on the introduction of laws to establish ‘marriage’ between persons of the same sex”_* [278]”.
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[275] Cf. Bull Misericordiae Vultus, 12: AAS 107 (2015), 407.
[276] Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2358; cf. Relatio Finalis 2015, 76.
[277] Ibid. 190
[278] Relatio Finalis 2015, 76; cf. conGreGaTion for The doctrine of the faith, Considerations Regarding Proposals to Give Legal Recognition to Unions between H*om*o*s*ex*u*al Persons (3 June 2003), 4.
“And you will know truth, and truth will set you free” (John 8, 32).
From a truly conservative and truly traditionalist Brazilian 🇧🇷 friend. God bless!
@@kwazooplayingguardsman5615 What are civil unions? Are they equal to the Holy Sacrament of Marriage? And again, instead of acknowledging a good thing he said you attack by mentioning a possible mistake he's done. Stop being tribal, Catholics must be prudent (rational and unbiased) in their judgments.
Civil unions are just an abominable simulacra of marriage, it is still a perversion of the correct and ordered union, do we think rape is the same as sex?
@@djo-dji6018 They still give approval to sodomy.
Having moral objections to an act is tantamount to hating people nowadays, apparently 🤷 pretty ridiculous
Nothing new under the sun, it's all about power. I decide that your beliefs are hateful and dangerous, and that allows me to censor you. Have you read A Critique of Pure Tolerance by Herbert Marcuse published in 1965? That's the definitive leftist manifesto for censorship.
The accusation of hate is just an ad hominem since they can't refute actual arguments against their position. They have to attack their character instead.
It the justifying coming to church in their twisted sexuality and staying in their sin instead of repenting as God said. You change for God God doesn’t change for you.
Remember that we don't hate them; we want them to come to Christ and be cleansed of their sin! We want them to become good husbands to women/wives to men and good fathers/mothers to their own children- this is love!
It is not only ‘some moral objections’. The underlying objective is to deny minorities basic human rights which is wrapped into some twisted notion of Christian ‘love’. I also fail to understand what is actual immoral as I consider the sexual act between consenting adults as amoral. I don’t see any ‘moral’ dimension here.
As someone who does struggle with homosexual attractions, this is a bit helpful
Stand fast in prayer and knowing that God would never give you any trouble he didn't think you could bare.
Hope you prevail over your temptation. I will pray for you brother.
Keep Fighting Friend don't Give up The Lord will give You Strength keep up the Faith 🙏
📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin:
🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians 3:15
1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓
🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis 2:24
2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓
🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew 19:4-5
3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓
🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians 5:31
4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓
🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3
5. Is sex considered a sin❓
🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18
6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓
🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2
Conclusion:
Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles.
Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓
7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓
🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy 30:19
8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓
🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew 5:37
Youll be ok, I struggle with something similar as well
I am being told that I should like and comment in order to spread the video- I'm doing my part ✝
Amen
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Im agnostic but by this logic, doesn't that mean you should be advocating for the death penalty for same sex couples? At least ones in sexual relationships? I mean if you're going to take that view of the bible, that it's forever confirming these moral failings, then surely the punishment should also be eternally mandated? Therefore, you need to advocate for the death penalty?
No, it doesn't mean that Christians should be advocating the death penalty; or at least, it depends on which framework you're using.
One such framework that gets around that is the belief that Christians themselves aren't taught to enforce Judicial laws. Christians, in general, are citizens, thus, they've no say in legal matters. As citizens, what's the Biblical framework for treating other people? Loving and praying for them, even enemies. You can't do that while simultaneously trying to chant their deaths. Thus, in this framework, Christians aren't supposed to be advocating for the death penalty.
Another framework that doesn't imply they should be advocating for it (If they live in some general country) is the belief that the death penalty in the OT law *only* applies to ancient Israel, as to get to the death penalty, it has to be under accordance with their legal system, i.e. judges and elders and the overall procedure with them. This video explains this framework pretty well: The Sabbath and the Death Penalty by David Wilber.
Both frameworks are entirely consistent with what Trent is saying in this video. (You may not find those frameworks to be sound, which is fair, but all that's needed is having a logically valid framework that one can use that doesn't have that implication).
@@DragonKing101 okay let's use a new testament example then, and one which isn't legal, but interpersonal. jesus says "What god has joined, let no man seperate" which is very clear. divorce is forbidden.
Christians divorce at essentially the same rate as Nonchriatians. Neither of your frameworks resolve this, its just flat out disobedience against Christ. jesus also says "If you love me, follow my commands" so seperating from your wife or husband, regardless of cause, basically makes you non christian as you have disobeyed him, which means you dont love him by his own words
Either way, you certainly don't see Christians marching in the streets against Divorce. And even if we ignore legal divorce. Each christian in their own lives, countless of them still divorce and seperate. Which isnt a legal issue but an interpersonal choice they make themselves
@@ExtraVictory Sorry for not seeing this sooner.
"jesus says "What god has joined, let no man seperate" which is very clear. divorce is forbidden.
Christians divorce at essentially the same rate as Nonchriatians. Neither of your frameworks resolve this, its just flat out disobedience against Christ."
Yes, neither of my frameworks resolves such an issue. That is because my framework doesn't attempt to answer it. My framework only is answering that you can work in certain models that do not imply Christians should be advocating for the death penalty on these people on Theological grounds, even *if* said Christians believe this law in the Law of Moses still applies to Christians.
To summarize: My point is that there *are* frameworks you can work with that involve someone appealing to the law in certain places on what people aren't to do, even if said Christians don't believe they can legally enforce such a rule, but it doesn't follow from that that they should also be advocating for the punishment as well.
Of course, these frameworks may be handwavy to you on someone saying that all the statements in each respective one are indeed true, which again, I think is fair. I'm just saying there are some valid (?) frameworks that some Christians work with that get around the implication.
As for the rest, yeah, I agree that it is problematic behavior when a lot of these Christians do things while at the same time telling others not to do those same things.
Even if Levitikus falls completly under the old covenant and is irrelevant for Christians, 1 Corinthians 6:9 also condems homosexuality and calls it unrighteous.
If I had a fraction of a penny for every time a skeptic confused mosaic laws with moral laws, I'd buy them lessons in studying scripture correctly.
Just to be clear the Mosaic Law represents the ceremonies and unjust laws of savage men, who's ideas were in conflict with known facts. Not a word of it comes from God.
The moral v. pedagogical distinction is a helpful framework.
I wish Father Martin would debate. Trent. I also wish that Father Martin would leave the Catholic Church instead of continuing to attempt to defile it and to bring it into ruin.
We should wish no person out of Christ's church. We should wish each person to live in truth and love in Christ.
I do not wish him to be out of the church. But if he doesn't agree with the precepts of the church, why does he call himself a member? If he doesn't agree with them, then leave the church, go to another one and create your own. Why is that hard to understand?
Notice how everyone knows Fr. Martin by his support of LGBT, and not by his love and devotion to Christ as is his duty as a priest. Interesting how the Christians who push for sin are always so invested in it that it seemingly takes priority over God
This is very relevant for me as a same sex persons came back to our church this Sunday after they were asked to leave as they were kissing and holding hands in the pews of our traditional church and then tried to receive communion now they are back and wanted to speak to another priest (different than kicked them out) and our liberal bishop that was there 😓 we will see next week if they are there again and making out in church. I will say something to them. Because if you take the communion you’ve damed yourself to the fire and God did say we should tell them of their sin kindly and if they don’t listen we should take it to the church. I don’t see how people can’t or won’t see that homosexuality is a sin it explicitly states that in the Bible and even if they had not read the passages that state that. If God had meant for them to be together then their parts would fit 😅 just saying lol and yes an adulterer is a sinner sin doesn’t justify sin 🤦♀️ that doesn’t make you any less of a sinner. You change for God doesn’t change for you. 🕊️🙏🏼✝️💕
the only thing that matters is that Catholics are called to "take up your cross." "father" james martin wants homosexuals to deny their [admittedly heavy] cross and indulge.
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Fr. James Martin bends scripture to suit his confirmation bias.
The homosexual teaching is repeated in the New Testament
It is clear in the bible. It is an abomination.
The act of sodomy or homosexuals by themselves even if they are chaste?
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I think that many provisions of the law of Moses on food were intended to avoid a sanitary crisis in a people who moved in the desert without soap, refrigerators or basic sanitation. Rules on hygiene and food safety were essential, including those prohibiting pork or shrimp. The latter are living beings that feed on the detritus of other animals, and can be easily contaminated with bacteria and cause food poisoning, diarrhea, dehydration or even death.
Then why did Jesus become angry at the Pharisee for asking him to wash his hands prior to eating?
That’s an incredibly materialist view of Christianity.
Eating shellfish isnt mentioned in the ten commandments, however nor commiting adultery is. This is why they want to redefine marriage, they think if theyre married, theyre not committing adultery, but marriage IS ONLY between a man and a woman. Jesus also told the people not to give mind to what someone eats, for if you aren't eating it as a way of salvation, it is simply a choice in food and not means to get closer to God.
I’m a layman and can get this solved before the ad. Shellfish are food not an act and Jesus kinda nullifies food defiling one if I recall
Excellent video. Counsel of Trent is definitely one of my favorite elements of Monday mornings lol
That was well laid out...I don't know why any believers can't just believe the New Test & Saint Paul's writings on such matters & sin in general. If anyone does not hold to Church teaching & practice & sacred scripture then maybe their blatantly heterodox & need to get it together ijs, Pax Vobis to like minded believers in the Son of God
God will destroy the Homosexuals unless they repent. But not the Homosexual only. Revelation 21:8
I will pray for Father Martin, he is leading the flock to the wrong path
Very sad that we as laity have to tend for ourselves to keep us from doing things that displeases God. Priests are the keepers of God's flock. Don't understand why Bishops don't discipline priests who are not in line with God's teaching. Pray and do penance for the purification of our priests 🙏
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The Bishops chosen by Francis are mostly homosexuals themselves.
@The Council of Trent - How would you respond to someone who tries to use this same line of thought to claim that all moneylending at interest is usury - and that you claiming that contexts have changed etc. to justify lending money at interest is simply your own version of the "Shellfish Objection"? (To be transparent I don't hold that interest lending is wrong - I could just see this being a line of attack that someone could use and would love to hear your response.) Thanks for all you do!
I think that we should realize that the Torah or Old Testament does not make the distinction between moral, civil and ceremonial laws, This is a distinction made by Christian interpreters since late patristic times. I once asked a rabbi about this and his answer was all of the Torah is equally binding. By the way the Jews also believe that only Jews and not Gentiles are bound by the laws of the Pentateuch. Gentiles are to follow the 7 Laws of Noah.
As for the Mosaic Law I think a statement by the biblical scholar Theophile Meek is pertinent: The Hebrew Torah is not one consistent whole, the creation of a single legislator, Moses, or anyone else. Law comes into existence slowly to meet the changing needs of the times and this is evident in the Torah. Scholars recognize several codes , such as the Deuteronomic, the Holiness and the Priestly codes.
The usage of stoning people to death would be regarded by most people as barbaric, outdated and unjust. All you have to do is look at the hideous cruelty involved is to watch these punishments meted out by Al Qaeda, the Taliban and Isis. Are we to advocate the punishments of Deuteronomy 13 for unbelief, Leviticus 25 for slavery, the death penalty for witchcraft, necromancy, sabbath violation, juvenile delinquency, adultery, idolatry, homosexuality? To ask the question is to answer the question these are laws of an ancient, semi-nomadic tribe and are inapplicable to any modern democracy. Another thing to note all of us treasure our natural and human rights to life, liberty, and property and the concept of rights was unknown to the biblical writers. They only recognized rules to be followed.
Christian moral ideas may transcend sociological and scientific fact, but they are not independent of such data, and moral ideas may well have to be modified to bring them into relation with new discoveries. The development of the social sciences on mainly secular lines does not invalidate their usefulness for the Christian ethicist and theologian. When the Christian attitude to homosexuality was formed no accurate information was availableas to its extent and virtually nothing was known of its causes.
Also a quotation from Sigmund Freud in his letter to an American mother in 1935 is pertinent:
Homosexuality is assuredly no advantage, but it is nothing to be ashamed of, no vice, no degredation. It cannot be classified as a mental illness; we consider it to be a variation of the sexual impulse, produced by a certain arrest of sexual development. . . It is a great injustice to persecute homosexuality as a crime and cruelty too. A view is often advanced that homosexuality is depavity.This is used as a vehicle of abuse but has little scientific meaning. It has been suggested that the ancient Romans became degenerate and lost world dominance through perverted sex or alternatively that homosexuality was a symptom of their degeneration but it is now believed that Rome's decline was due to political, economic and public health causes.
Usury is actually forbidden in historic Christianity. The Church has let that slide for entirely too long.
My response to this objection is this.
1) God never destroyed any nations for "eating shellfish". Nations were destroyed for homosexuality (lev 18).
2) As beastiality and incest are listed as the things God destroyed nations for in lev 18, are those who claim that jesus had no problem with homosexual acts also claiming that jesus had no problem with men sleeping with their mothers and animals? If christians are not allowed to say homosexual acts are sinful, then that would also have to apply to incest and beastiality.
Trent, are you trying not to use New Testament scripture purposely? This is not a hard argument although great info as usual
James Martin is an activist. He's not a theologian or scholar. He's going to bend exegesis to his will for his purposes. It's a shame that his Bishop doesn't take action.
Hello, Trent! Can you make a rebuttal video on John Corvino's arguments on homosexuality and the Bible? Thanks a lot in advance.
Yeah Agreed He seems to think the Verses are taken out of Context but We all know it ain't Friend peace 🙏👋
The Bible doesn't change. What's been inspired in the Bible is for Today, for Tomorrow, and forever. Religions can change whatever they like, at their own risk.
Not to mention even if we could somehow set aside the entire book of Leviticus, we still have 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10, which also clearly condemn it
It's sad that people will ignore the New Testament when they try to say sin is OK.
Most people in today's society would say that sin is merely the theological interpretations of certain ancient tribal taboos,
@@josephdalelio6684 One of the Bible’s main themes in both Testaments is to not make world beliefs our own.
tHEN WOULD YOU REJECT THE BELIEF THAT THE BRAIN IS THE ORGAN OF THOUGHT RATHER THAN THE HEART
@@josephdalelio6684 That's deep. The first word should be capitalized and then the rest are lowercase. Your limb and its manipulators failed you for the first time, for the last time. Something deeper is this: Is "belief", faith, from the heart or the brain? Now that question is more relevant to the discussion. What were we talking about again?
Beliefs are concepts that come from deep emotional convictions as well as conceptual constructs they embrace our thoughts and deep held beliefs. the use of the word heart is metaphorical it does not produce either thoughts, concepts or beliefs these are biological processes of the brain. My point is that numerous beliefs that were once advanced by Christian churches have been superceded or replaced by advances in social thought. you failed to grasp that.
Most advances in Western civilization have been opposed and attacked by religious fanatics -to name a few -the emancipation and civil rights for women, democracy versus divine right of kings, an elaboration of civil and human rights for mankind, the teaching of the natural origins of life, the use of innoculations and pain killers for the treatment of diseases, the attribution of mental illness to natural causes rather than demonic possession, freedom of religion , the elimination of horrendous and barbaric punishments in the criminal codes of the western world and finally the abolition of the practice of slavery which was defended as both biblical and divine in origin. Res ipsa loquitur!
What I can't understand is why priests like Fr Martin are allowed to remain a priest. It's one reason why non-Catholics don't take the Catholic Church seriously.
I loved "The West Wing" but I always thought the scene were President Bartlett argues against laws in Leviticus was a bit oversimplified. This was presented as a "Gotcha" moment but failed to allow the other side to acknowledge that, over the last 2000 years, SOME Jewish scholars would have thought about these objections. Instead, Bartlett's religious opponents sit dumbfounded as if some secret flaw had just been uncovered by Aaron Sorkin!
It is a little silly when people think they've uncovered some knock out argument from the bible as if we haven't been reading it for 2000 years.
America needs qualified people to publicly debate the issue _Is the Bible God's Word_ There are a lot of argument's it is not God's word and is simply the mistaken ideas of ancient savage men.
James Martin probably knows that his argument doesn't hold but presents it anyway to the gullible to excuse his sin.
Are you assuming he is a sodomite? Do you know for a fact or are you slandering a priest?
i don't recall eating shellfish having a death penalty, nor does wearing mixed fabric, or planting more then 1 crop per a field. by all means feel free to point out what punishment is for disobeying them. i bet you won't find it. because the punishment is already baked in.
for example. i like how people go to the shellfish over not eating pigs. because they know pigs in that time and area have very nasty ring worms so of course you want to avoid eating them. same with shellfish. at that time eating them could result in nasty food poisoning or even death due to the inability to cook them properly.
mixing crops on a field could result on the crops failing and mixing fabrics could result in rashes
God knew going into the nitty gritty would go over the peoples heads and why would be incredibly confused as explaining parasites and what not just wouldn't work for the people of that time and place so just easy to go with a trust me bro approach to these rules.
God wanted his people to live long and healthy lives so if they didn't obey there was no punishment because he was trying to help them avoid something bad from happening and if they disobeyed God didn't list a punishment for disobeying these things already came with risks that if one does their research will understand why he told the to not do it
You're not considering a different explanation. That Leviticus has nothing to do with God, it's simply the writings of ancient savage men. What's your rebuttal to the RUclips video _The Bible's Absurd Passages about Periods._ How do you explain this as God's word?
@@SergeantSkeptic686 cute moving the goal post fallacy and red herring fallacies. so you forfeit the homo and shellfish argument i take it.
but hey i'll play ball. wow the video admits to them washing themselves even reading the passage says it and it gots 13 versus are how identify the problem, to properly clean ones self and the items touched in order to avoid spreading disease and only 2 verses are dedicated to ritual sacrifice which the dumb dumb of the video overly hyper focuses on like it somehow is some big gotcha.
and again the passages is how to recognize the period and take care of it dwarf the part he is cherry picking and complaining about
and again nobody is put to death and no punishment is distributed to the people for not following them.
because the punishment again is baked in. disease is a big big problem back then. periods might not be a big problem now but back them could be life ending
the guy in the video is a cynical old man that can't see the forest for the trees and thinks he is way smarter then he really is using quote mining and ignoring context, and most the whole chapter, to build an argument. but that is the typical type of atheist
the only thing he could whine about is sacrificing 2 pigeons but hey that is just survival of the fittest evolution. the pigeons don't want to get sacrificed then they should have evolved to avoid it. you atheist really can't call anything "savage" or immoral as its just star dust bumping into star dust
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and the sacrifice of pigeons is not in any way mentioned as the cure or means to handle periods. the washing and cleaning is and the sacrifice is after the fact as a means to thank God for nothing bad happing to you through the process
Blood sacrifice, circumcision (genital mutilation), and death penalty seem to suggest it was all manmade. I'm not dismissing its utility. Avoiding disease, staying hygienic, and propagating the species are all important. But I think it's wisdom arrived at philosophically, and then attributed to God.
WELL SAID!
The ONLY reason one would be able to buy into the shellfish arguments to justify homosexuality is because they have not submitted to their LORD.
Catholicism teaches you to submit to the LORD by submitting to His Body every day.
The "shellfish objection" brings to mind the "snails and oysters" scene in the 1960 movie Spartacus, where the the Crassus character played by Lawrence Olivier trying to seduce Antonio, the character played by Tony Curtis. So that line of attack is not as new as some might think.
Ecclesiastes 1:10 (lol but not really)
Crassus is using a pretty crude (by 1960’s standards) sexual innuendo. Trent’s use of the term “shellfish objection” is a reference to the ancient Jewish dietary law. Not really the same thing.
Hi Trent, are there any books/articles that help distinguish between moral and pedagogical laws?
Aquinas talks about this in the Summa under Question 99: The Precepts of the Old Law
St. Paul's letter to the Galatians.
Excellent explanations.
I have always felt there was something wrong with shell fish without having read Leviticus.
I wish there was a "love" button for situations like these, where the video deserves more than a "like." This explained things so well and in a way I can understand. Thank you so much!
Hey Trent, would be cool to see you review voice of reason's discussion with True Christian ministry on Reason & theology Channel
Will you invite James Martin on to debate him
Great job on this explanation, Trent. It seems to be a convenient omission to leave out the distribution between moral and ritual rules in Leviticus for those who want to use Scripture to justify homosexuality and other "abominable" acts. It's also a shame that Fr. Martin conveniently omits citing the Catechism on this subject as this is within the authority of the Church to say what is and isn't a sin. Tradition, Scripture, and Magisterium are the three pillars of our Church, not just one or two of them when we feel like it.
The catechism states that being homosexual is not intrinsically sinful as we do not choose our sexual orientation
So what about the pope nowadays?
Leviticus 18 ends with the explanation sexual transgressions are normalized in the land of Caanan and gives this as justification for why God is taking away that land from the Caananites and giving it to the Jewish people. If sexual morality precepts were something that God intended only for the Jewish people before Christ, then it makes no sense to say that God is punishing the Caanaite people for not following them.
📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin:
🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians 3:15
1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓
🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis 2:24
2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓
🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew 19:4-5
3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓
🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians 5:31
4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓
🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3
5. Is sex considered a sin❓
🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18
6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓
🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2
Conclusion:
Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles.
Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓
7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓
🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy 30:19
8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓
🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew 5:37
Again, this only says sodomy is sinful. If a homosexual is chaste, it is not sinful. Why is everyone assuming Father James Martin believes sodomy is not sinful when he clearly could be referring to the second option, that homosexuals living in chastity should not be put to death.
@@signumcrucis4172 In your attempt to justify this sin, you’ve only proven your ignorance of scripture because you refuse to see & listen to our Father’s words❗️
🕊️“Again a message came to me from the Lord: “Son of man, you live among rebels who have eyes but refuse to see. They have ears but refuse to hear. For they are a rebellious people.” Ezekiel 12:1-2
Did Jesus abolish the law❓
🕊️“Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose.” Matthew 5:17
What does our Father’s law do within our heart❓
🕊️“They demonstrate that God’s law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right.” Romans 2:15
Do our thoughts separate us from our Father❓
🔥“For perverse thoughts separate men from God, and when his power is tested, it convicts the foolish.” Wisdom of Solomon 1:3
Does this separation from our Father include those who find themselves far away from him❓
🔥“This includes you who were once far away from God. You were his enemies, separated from him by your evil thoughts and actions.” Colossians 1:21
Are we asked to repent for our evil thoughts as well❓
🔥“Repent of your wickedness and pray to the Lord. Perhaps he will forgive your evil thoughts,” Acts of the Apostles 8:22
🔥“Let the wicked change their ways and banish the very thought of doing wrong. Let them turn to the Lord that he may have mercy on them. Yes, turn to our God, for he will forgive generously.” Isaiah 55:7
Not only is the action of homosexuality a sin but the thought of it as well❗️
Is your ignorance of scripture acceptable to our Father❓
🔥“Don’t excuse yourself by saying, “Look, we didn’t know.” For God understands all hearts, and he sees you. He who guards your soul knows you knew. He will repay all people as their actions deserve.” Proverbs 24:12
🔥“God overlooked people’s ignorance about these things in earlier times, but now he commands everyone everywhere to repent of their sins and turn to him.” Acts of the Apostles 17:30
Should we compromise with evil❓
🕊️“Joyful are people of integrity, who follow the instructions of the Lord. Joyful are those who obey his laws and search for him with all their hearts. They do not compromise with evil, and they walk only in his paths.” Psalms 119:1-3
Should you examine & test yourself to determine if your faith in Jesus is genuine❓
🔥“Examine yourselves to see if your faith is genuine. Test yourselves. Surely you know that Jesus Christ is among you; if not, you have failed the test of genuine faith.” 2 Corinthians 13:5
🔥“Think carefully about what is right, and stop sinning. For to your shame I say that some of you don’t know God at all.” 1 Corinthians 15:34
@@signumcrucis4172Leviticus, Corinthians, and the New Testament too. Old and New Testament confirm Sodomy and homosexuality is a sin. (Both go hand to hand). I’m tiered of you spinning confusion and misinformation.
The argument is strengthened by the NT. Paul outlines two legitimate vocations: celibacy and heterosexual marriage. Fornication is obviously defined as sexual activity outside of heterosexual marriage which is condemned by both Jesus and Paul. Critics utilize "argument from ignorance" to the extreme here. The burden of proof is on both sides. If homosexuality is not a sin, it must, therefore, be a virtue. Critics must prove with Biblical evidence that homosexuality was ever a virtue.
To be honest, that priests such as Fr Martin are not disciplined and/or removed for blatant heresy is making it difficult to fully embrace Catholicism. There seems to be little to no discipline on the left in the church- those in the pews and in the holy ministry.
The charge is silly and shows no understanding of the Old and New Testament. Homosexuality was condemned in the Old Testament and the New Testament. Dietary laws were for Old Testament and are not reaffirmed in the New Testament
A simpler argument would be to ask them to show where in the Bible God approves of homosexuality. It's easier to defend polygamy (which is evil) than homosexuality.
Stuff like the shellfish objection annoys me. If there wasn't any verse about shellfish these people ould still be OK with men having sex with other men so whatever.
2:59 Ugh that scene. The pro-gay marriage lot never stop with that one.
These folks know all about the differences between the civil/cerimonial laws and the moral laws, they pretend that there is no difference.
📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin:
🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians 3:15
1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓
🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis 2:24
2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓
🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew 19:4-5
3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓
🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians 5:31
4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓
🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3
5. Is sex considered a sin❓
🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18
6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓
🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2
Conclusion:
Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles.
Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓
7. We’re we warned about certain people who would enter our Father’s church and claim that his grace allows for us to live immoral lives❓
🔥“Dear friends, I had been eagerly planning to write to you about the salvation we all share. But now I find that I must write about something else, urging you to defend the faith that God has entrusted once for all time to his holy people. I say this because some ungodly people have wormed their way into your churches, saying that God’s marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives. The condemnation of such people was recorded long ago, for they have denied our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. So I want to remind you, though you already know these things, that Jesus first rescued the nation of Israel from Egypt, but later he destroyed those who did not remain faithful. And I remind you of the angels who did not stay within the limits of authority God gave them but left the place where they belonged. God has kept them securely chained in prisons of darkness, waiting for the great day of judgment. And don’t forget Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighboring towns, which were filled with immorality and every kind of sexual perversion. Those cities were destroyed by fire and serve as a warning of the eternal fire of God’s judgment.” Jude 1:3-7
8. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓
🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy 30:19
9. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓
🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew 5:37
The millennium is the end of the cycle of the end of sin.
Man had a thousand years curse the day Adam and Eve disobeyed God.
A day is like a thousand years.
The oldest man was Methuselah, he lived 969 years, and the last Adam lived 30 years as the Son of man, a human- Jesus Christ, then He was filled with the Holy Spirit, to become the Son of God 100%God and 100% man, just like the first Adam, who was created flesh and God breathed into his nostrils, to have 100% God in 100% man.
Thus, when the mystery of iniquity is dealt with, after the 70th week year of Israel, then the whole world will be destroyed at the second coming of Jesus Christ. This will usher in the kingdom of God, for which Jesus Christ came to preach to Israel, before the gospel of grace- for both Israel and the gentiles, because they rejected their King. The scriptures are going back in cycles, we're now in Genesis 6, 11 and 47.It is like going back to the garden of Eden Isaiah 65; Genesis 5, when man will have to live out the whole 1000 years curse, which ends the wages of sin- death, which ends the cycle of creation, until the new heavens and the new earth is established, where there's no more sin and death. Then the judgment and rewards, abd the institution of mandatory pilgrimage to the New Jerusalem, and then, the Sabbath will be observed, signifying the end of work of both Creation and Redemption of the lost soul of man. Isaiah 66.
Every nation will worship God, because there will no longer be evil or Satan present. All have been judged and cast into the lake of fire and brimstone- including death, hell, satan, the antichrist and his false prophets and those that bare his mark.
The world will be as God in tended it right from the beginning, after the old earth and the heavens are completely destroyed by fire.
2 Peter 2:10-13;
Isaiah 65:17; 66:,15-16, 22; 30:30;9:5
1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:8; Joel 2:10;; Nahum 1:5; Zephaniah 1:15-28; 3:8: Ezekiel 32:7-9; Revelation 20:1; Revelation 20:9-11, etc.
Actually, God is not dealing with the world on a personal level at this time, but He has made a way for anyone who seeks Him to gain access into fellowship with Him by grace, through faith in the sacrificial death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, His only Begotten Son, our Lord and Savior.
Just because a person is touted as a pastor of a church, doesn't mean he/she has this access to God.
How can they dishonor the very very God they purport to represent except they're lying. There's a proverb that says no two people can be deceived- the only person doing the deception is the only one being deceived, just like a blind man who states that he couldn't see only because he has his eyes shut. He wouldn't even see if he had them open. Those deriving some sort of elation from dishonoring the name of God in Christ Jesus, are actually themselves deceived, and they love it so.
God fights His own battles. He says "vengeance is mine, and I will repay " - oh, how He does repay! Unfortunately, they would have forgotten how they got the repayment, so they thump their noses at God in absolute defiance, blaming God for their own actions and their consequences.
Actually, these people are the very ones who seek God in private but think that He wouldn't receive them, thus, they dig deeper into their mischief shamefacedly, rather than be humble and go to God in repentance.
They hurt so much when they're alone and their audience are no where to be found. They pretty up and face them boldfacedly, but hiding their shame and regrets.
Fortunately, the door to salvation of their souls is still open.
Salvation is for them who are tired of living a double life- the one they show to the people around them in order to be cool and accepted, and the real one they're hiding, hoping no one but the Holy Spirit would see.
He does see, and is making this last call.
Whosoever has ear to hear, let him hear and heed this call. They will not have any excuses on that day, for this will be brought to their remembrance, and God, in Christ Jesus will judge righteously and mete out pertinent punishment or rewards.
They can't mess with other religions and idols because they are merciless. They get their followers to fight for them, even kill for them, and even kill themselves in order to be rewarded by them, but these idols don't mess with God or His Anointed people. (But God got His Own Son to die so that anyone who believes in Him should not perish!). Unfortunately, all who are mocking Him and refuse this great work of redemption of their souls, will have to go through everything Jesus Christ went through for them by His cursed death on the cross of Calvary, even more, in order to pay for their sins and mockery of His great grace. Job 14:20-22; 20:11; 21:26, 32; 30:23:24; Psalm 49:14; Isaiah 66:24.
Revelation 19.
But Believers in Christ- Luke 9:27; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-58; Psalm 49:15; 16:10-11; Isaiah 26:19; Matthew 26:51-53; John 8:51; Ephesians 2:6;1:6 etc.
These demons and devils and gods actually tremble at the mention of the name of Jesus Christ, the name that has been highly exalted above all names in the heaven, on the earth and under the earth!
Everyone has a choice to make, but remember that those who are laughing with you at this time as you blaspheme the name that bought you, will definitely laugh at you on that day if they make a wise choice now! We're still in the acceptable year of the Lord but it's fast closing, the day of vengeance of our God is getting started as we see the signs Luke 4:17-19; Isaiah 61:2; 63:4.
Jesus Christ is Lord of and over all! Amen!
Trent is so based
Perhaps the Catholic Church use of *Latin, as the ecclesiastical language, served a similar purpose to unite and separate Catholics,* from unbelieving neighbors, as did the dietary laws of the OT Israelites.
Actually, Latin was once extremely common in the academic world. I think that Latin was chosen as the language of the Church because of its widespread use among scholars at the time, not to set Catholics apart from non-believers.
@@bethanyjohnson8001 I did not say that was *why* Latin was chosen as the ecclesiastical language. I said the use of Latin, as the ecclesiastical language, *served the same purpose* as Israel's dietary laws. *Latin united Catholics and set them apart from non-Catholics,* for religious functions.
God provided the Jews with laws that set them apart form the rest of the world/society, and Christ set His Church apart from the rest of the world/society and that shouts loudly against any anyone attempting to blend the Church into the world/society. James Martin is wrong.
Some eternal laws and some temporary laws??? How can that be? You want to make up your own stuff. The prohibitions are moral prohibitions or they are nothing. I just can not follow this gibberish.
I do not believe Moses received the 603 laws from God. I think the Pharisees added that claim. Here is why...Jesus said the whole law could be summed up in 2 commandments which are loving God and loving fellow man.
Now apply that as you read a list of the Moses law. Makes no sense God told moses to stick around Moses to "stay and listen to the rest" after the 10 and then went "ok you can beat the slaves a little bit but not so hard they cant get up in 3 days, be kind to the stranger in your land, do not sell a beautiful woman, oh yes yes and make sure you build a parapet on the roof, oh and yes we need a few specific shekel fine amounts for these rules, and um definitely need to add that if your house is in a walled city it has to be redeemed in a year. Moses...Moses are you getting all this? Ok moving on, tell the people also that uh if you find a murdered body in the wild that they should sacrifice a cow by a river."
I say the only list that makes sense is that which fits in the idea of loving God, meaning how to love and worship the true God and each other. If you love your wife you wont cheat or anything. If you love God you wouldnt ignore Him.
Jesus did say he comes not to destroy the law but the use of the word law seems to be different in different places. Did Jesus mean the 10 commandments, the 6 he mentions, or 613 including never ever freeing a Canaanite slave for life and passing them down to family until they die.
THANK you for doing this specific video. This topic of moral law vs other laws from OT were a huge fuzzy area for me and I've listened to Catholic radio for over a decade and have never heard such a great explanation before.
Please talk more on moral vs pedagogical law!
If you have any interest in listening to someone with a different viewpoint, I'd suggest the RUclips video _The Bible's Absurd Passages about Periods._
I have done a lot of reading of Jewish commentaries. First, the prohibition of mixing cloths was to prohibit a profane use of a mixture of cloths that was used in the wilderness temple, hence it was sacred. ( Fr Martin mocks this divine command.) Second, there is a prohibition of using a certain compound of incense that you guessed it already was used in the wilderness temple, hence it was sacred and thus set aside. And, the big punchline about not eating pork and other such commands that don't make sense is that they have been commanded by God. So, it doesn't matter if a command makes sense to us or not. There's a command for a man to be put to death if he does not honor his father and mother :: obviously this command like others was to have a deterrant effect, there is no record of this command ever being carried out, or the water torture test of a woman's marital fidelity.
A large number of the Torah commands have to do directly with the temple, and so do not even apply to modern Jews, much less to non-Jews, except in their power to persuade us to respect the sacred.
A better argument that Fr Martin could make about Leviticus is that the Sinai covenant was only made with the Jews. Today, Jews are of the opinion that Gentiles like us are not enjoined to those commandments at all, but only to the Noahide covenant. Even St Paul makes the case that if a man is circumcised he becomes liable for adherence to all those commands of the Sinai covenant. He is not just making that up out of thin air. So, at the very least, he was using the Noahide argument as a case for Christians to not be circumcised, because the Sinai covenant had run its course, been fulfilled in Christ, and we were thereafter under the new covenant or testament.
iN ADDITION THE COMMANDS FOR THE DEATH PENALTIES WERE HEDGED IN BY THE NECESSITY OF 2 OR 3 EYE WITNESSES WHICH EFFECTIVELY PROHIBITED THEIR USES IN ADDITION RABBINIC COMMENTARIES ON THE TORAH PRACTICALLY MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO EVER USE CAPITAL PUNISHMENT, PLUS WE HAVE NO RECORDED USE OF THE DEATH PENALTY FOR HOMOSEXUALITY IN ANCIENT ISRAEL OR JUDAH..
As an traditionalist Episcopalian, thanks for making this video, and giving more information of apologetics for the case against homosexuality. God bless!
@@HisCoconutGun oh let me tell you all about the Episcopal Fellowship for Renewal and Operation Reconquista
As much as the hebrew roots community whines about it, the question of shellfish is not a topic of natural law, but violations of the 6th commandment certainly are
Then there’s the Book of Judges. It’s real scary to read this book, because it seems to be a cautionary tale to being relativist.
So you can ignore the parts of Leviticus that are clearly silly today...take seriously the parts that adhere to your views on sexuality. Got it.
I always emphasize the point you made about the punishment being the same. The Bible says neither will inherit the kingdom of heaven. Why would being m*lested send you to Hell? Clearly two adults.
I don’t understand how this is an argument when our holy books has whole books dedicated to the topic.
The idea that the text isnt limited to sex between men and children because some other society had heard of another kind of same sexual relations is silly. How the fuck does anyone listen to this guy?
Maybe make a video about heterosexuals who are permitted to have sexual relationships, yet they choose to divorce and get remarried, or who have recreational sex before marriage and not for the purposes of procreation. If these people are not equally criticised and demonised then there are a lot of double standards, hypocrisy and unjustified prejudice.
Hey Trent, I have been covering this topic (the inconsistencies of Christianity) extensively on my channel. I would love to have a conversation someday.
Those are very good rules to have for your children! Thanks for addressing objections like this, Trent. It's very much appreciated!!
Great job Trent. God bless you
Just excellent, as always. Thank you 🙏🏻
There are places in the Old Testament that affirm the death penalty which the church has condemned and not just for violating “ceremonial “ commands.
How is Fr. Martin allowed to speak publicly about this subject? His Bishop should give him a stern warning to stop speaking about this unless reading verbatim the teaching from the Catechism/Canon Law. He needs to be made an example of. I don't think he should have his priesthood taken away, as long as he agrees to not speak on homosexually in a way that is against Church teaching. If he refuses, he should be stripped of his priestly duties.
Did he say sodomy is ok? It's unfair to judge him by a clip taken out of context. I haven't seen a single instance where he says sodomy is ok so its weird for Trent to use a clip without providing more information about it assuming he is saying that sodomy is ok.
Fr. Martin gets away with a lot because of what he doesn't say explicitly. For example, when he says he asks people if they follow other aspects of Mosaic law when they bring up OT teaching on homosexuality, he is clearly implying that he believes in the very least that the OT teaching on this could be wrong. He doesn't have to specifically state that he thinks sodomy is okay to be in the wrong about this. We are all called to be witnesses to the Faith (You shall not bear false witness). He is being a false witness by bringing up what Trent calls the Shellfish Argument.@@signumcrucis4172
Maybe invite Fr James Martin SJ on for a debate
I thought Peter's vision made this clear.
Thanks for this - so needed right now.
Now review Matt Fradd/Ben Shapiro what Matt got wrong please.
Yuri Bezmenov would be having a field day.
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Well done, Trent. Thank you ❤