Did Jesus Condemn Homosexuality?
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Rather than asking in what way Jesus was influenced by 1st century Jewish society and its values, it is probably more helpful to ask in what ways am I unduly influenced by 21st century American society and its values. In order to attain holiness I need to conform to Christ, not the other way around.
Well said!
@@BrianHoldsworth back then the Pope woulda strung this guy up, now he hobnobs with him. So sick.
Jesus was not influenced by 1st century Jewish society, he was invented by 1st century Jewish society.
@@kevinkelly2162 So you don’t believe in Jesus, especially as LORD & SAVIOR OF THE 🌍. OK. So maybe you can at least try this one thing then. No harm no foul as they say right?
Ask Jesus if he’s Your Lord and Savior to jist give you one sure sign Maybe it’s something you can say you’ll pay attention to for one month even. Maybe it could be something as simple as someone approaching u in this month about your belief in the afterlife. Maybe they mention Jesus directly to you. Maybe if you experienced this and actually connected the dots a whole new world would be open to you. One in which you could find salvation. Try it please. 🙋🏻♀️🙏
@@kevinkelly2162 You seem very sure of that, are you seriously claiming that or are you just making a quip?
Keep in mind a lot of people died in agony when denying the ressurected Jesus would have spared them and others.
"Woe to those who call good evil, and evil good." (Isaiah 5:20)
Pray for John 8:44
I would say Catholic teaching calls something bad good. God himself says for man to be alone was not good, yet that is the churches teaching.
@Timothy True, I prefer to use my own brain, and not just accept what others tell me I must think.
@Timothy It's not my first choice, but I do appreciate the poetic and classic sound.
@Timothy I personally prefer CSB, it was my first Bible after I got baptized, so it grew on me. I also found it to be closer to the original Greek, I still need more work in Hebrew though.
As someone who has same-sex attractions and is endeavoring to hold fast to Church teachings, thank you for saying this for myself and others to hear again. Unfortunately, people like Father Martin often build a bridge too far in trying to alleviate the existential fear that living a chaste life will result in us dying alone. Cases like that cause them to become enablers of grave sins instead of men like Father Mike Schmitz that we really need.
Can I ask you how you go about squaring this logically? You feel attracted to the Same sex...and most would find this to contradict God, however you fall on the other side of the fence and feel it your duty to abstain regardless of your desire.. how and why?
He is just apart of a masonic club, he ain’t trying to bridge anything. He just needs to sow devision.
@@lifewasgiventous1614 it’s easy, the soul is more important than the body. In other words he cares about the state of his own soul and what will happen after life than he does about temporary pleasure.
It leads to a more fulfilled life to be honest, I may not be gay but I know what it is like to go against your earthy desires.
@@stray_dog3960 and we are all wounded by Original Sin. No longer can we say that 'what comes naturally' is truly natural.
You are an inspiration for all who are fighting the good fight!
If we based our theology on what Jesus didn’t say, we could have an infinite number of sacraments
Scripture is deliberately silent at times
@@stephrichards4611 The Christ « Moses and the Prophets talked about me.... »
not true tho, He perfectly synthetized the Law in 2 commandments, which He repeats time and time again. Now, if you think that's not good enough, that's kinda of a you problem. Jesus never spoke a single word about homossexuality like Paul did, and BTW, there's a lot of debate whether the greek word MALAKOI really means gay in the context it was written, becase it's NEVER used to decribe homossexuals in ANY other ancient greek documents
@@paisanoarbr Homosexuality is not seen as identitarian in religion, that is a modern evil, it is seen as a disruptive transgressive act, which offends God and religion, whereas the rigid identitarian imposition is a trap. Much of generic concretization is an unsophisticated trap.
Religion offers the choice to say no to spoilt identities. Homosexual impulses have a positive and negative origins. What sex positive marketing refuses to allow discussed is sexual disgust can be
1) be eroticised (paradoxical response,)
2) a trauma avoidance response. Repetition compulsion.
3) fear also has a part to.play in avoidance,
4) as does human contrariness in the face of a tabu, the wormy apple.
Your asserions are absolutely false, both biblically abd historically. If you’re going to defend perversion, be intellectually honest enough to quit calling yourself a Christian.
Jesus also said that He had not come to change even an iota of the law, but to amplify it.
so we can murder rude kiddies and all who have sex out of marriage then (lev 20;9-10)???????
Yeah, but you can't deny that he had concerns about some teachings of Moses x Hence, he was crucified for being misunderstood. X
@@annemariemcgowan9273 "Concerns" ??? Jesus is God, and Moses is a prophet of God. Jesus came to fulfill the Law, and so it stands.
@@annemariemcgowan9273 God gave Moses the law. Jesus fulfilled it; he nailed the curse of the law to the tree with him. The law never justifies anybody; it condemns. Christ took upon himself our condemnation that we might be reconciled to God. Christ had concerns about those who distorted the law, not the law itself.
How could a jew keep the law? If they performed a circumcision on the eighth day being a sabbath? Jesus told them Moses gave you the law and none of you keep it! The law was given that all might become guilty before God! Why? So they would see that they need a savior
As a former SSA-infected person - healed through Jesus - I am grateful for your clear words.
Validating sin is NOT an act of love, it is only a way to gain popularity among the weak-minded. It is a worldly act which damages the victims, often beyond repair.
What is SSA? Satanic Sexual Abuse?
What does SSA mean?
@@Jojo_Flake same sex attraction
@@artjimenez6530 oh thanks for the explanation! I was completely clueless ,
@@Jojo_Flake It's alright,was clueless myself. And still learning.
Jesus said Marriage is a Man and a Woman coming together and the two becoming one flesh. Also Jesus said he has not come to abolish the Law but to fulfillment it.
Im sure Jesus would support gays as well.
@@quint2857 Jesus would dine with them, and just by His mere presence, many would be converted to Him and leave their sinful lifestyles.
@@quint2857 Jesus loves the sinner like he loves us all but he HATES the sin.
@@quint2857 Yes Jesus would eat with the sinners, but he would also tell them to go and sin no more. Like the Samaritan woman at the well.
REALLY so we can still murder rude kiddies and kill all who have sex out of marriage as the old law says.....(lev 20;9-10) ....why did Jesus bother to die for us if he fulfilled nothing? Jesus is also God btw and God said marriage was also 1 man and many wives in the OT...did God lie?
Excellent. And as Scott Hahn has pointed out, we give that "one flesh" a name nine months after he or she has been conceived.
so any who can't conceive are doomed?
Lol
So everytime a couple meets it will lead to procreation
That’s bizarre 🤣
That analogy is weak
Cos procreation isn’t d purpose of sex
It’s intimacy. Even God didn’t create every scenario to lead to a baby
A variety of factors come into play
It’s those factors we are smart enough to use today for family planning
But in EVERY SCENARIO sex is meant to build INTIMACY
Infact that’s d EVIDENCE of misuse or abuse of sex
WHEN ITS NOT USED TO BUILD INTIMACY like wen it’s all about INSTANT GRATIFICATION
Or a partner uses d other persons body to get off
🤦🏽♀️
That’s what the brothers did as narrated by Jesus in Mathew 19:8-9
Having sex that doesn’t lead to procreation is not a testament to the “unholiness” of a sexual act
(Oral and other forms of sex don’t lead to procreation)
That’s a ridiculous perception shared by old scholars who perceived family planning to be sinful
Their interpretation was the ACT OF WITHDRAWAL ITSELF was the SIN
🤦🏽♀️
What makes anything a sin
IS THE INTENTION
the brothers withdrew out of wickedness of heart
Wanting to reserve her as a sex tool not a legitimate wife cos the culture didn’t recognise any woman who had not bore a child as a man’s legitimate wife
THATS WHAT MASE GID STRIKE THEM DEAD
NOT THE SIMPLE ACT OF PULLING OUT BUT THE REASON BEHIND
That’s why it’s only God who can truly judge a man
Cos only God sees the heart of a man
💁🏽♀️
Another thing to consider when debating supporters of same-sex couplings/marriage within the church is the fact that they would say that Christ said x because he was a man of his time is blasphemy on it's face and we shouldn't be afriad to accuse them of it when they do so. To suggest that something Christ said is in any regard wrong or only true in that time suggests imperfection on the part of God who is perfect by his divine nature. If someone says something that contradicts Christ, they are contradicting God because Christ is the Second person of Trinity which means he is God and God cannot err, and if you contradict God you are wrong period. And if any man says he knows more than God he is either insane or a liar and should be treated in the way which you would treat either one of those.
Jesus never hd aan issue with love, assume u do?
@@pastorbri sodomy isn't love. Anything done in sin is without love.
@@pastorbri so what sort of devil worshipping cult do you lead?
@@pastorbri you shouldn't have shown up here. I know what I'll be doing with my trolling apparatus this weekend. I don't need to make nasty comments when I can troll your notifications.
@@eagleofthesacredheart3170 Yes you fear me and Gods word don't you. And I don't blame you...I would be if I had been as fooled from stans homophobia as you are......as a satanist you even use his wording...trolls.....now everyone here can see you side with satan!
The devil quoted scripture and twisted it.
Thats homophobics for u
That will be found in Shakespeare -- Merchant of Venice, I believe. It is not in the Bible.
Was Trump CHOSEN by God to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem -- so the Sanhedrin can renew their rituals of smoke and blood for the remission of our sins and finally get rid of Jesus and the cross? 100's of millions deceived by the False Prophets and faith-healers of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). Matthew 24: 24. So MANY so Horribly taught. The Rapture is a LIE. "Left Behind" is ass-backward fiction. Matthew 13: 30. Final judgement for the devil and dragon -- Revelation 12: 12-13 -- is set for 10/10/26. Daniel 7: 9-14.
Thank you Brian. It’s so important to hear the TRUTH. Father Martin is leading people in the wrong direction. 😞
Homophobics don't tell truths
@@pastorbrihomophobes* and yes we do.
@@onvogmasaj No you don't, you feed on lies. Lies are your food and drink Old bean.
@@pastorbri ok “pastor”
@@onvogmasaj Glad you agree "christian"!
I just had a thought. Jesus is the protagonist in everyone’s story whether people like it or not. Jesus knows what is right and that is the truth. He can only speak facts.
and he never condemned LGBT folk is a fact
"The same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. *Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed."* ~Luke 17
God help the homophobics then
Amazing job Brian. Thank you for all you do.
why when its not so?
Yea, Brian. We owe you so much.
You and the Pied Piper.
It's shocking how many lay faithful know Scripture and Church teaching more than a Father Martin, who is a priest.
he is not a priest or a Christian but a stooge of the modern world who cannot seem satan in the details and his false teachings. He is a idiot. a sad idiot who is going down that road to hell and than when he dies wonders who he got there.
@@ElCid48 He needs our constant prayers. By the grace of God erroneous leaders will come back to the true teachings of God.
He knows them… He just craves popularity and power more than the cross. May the Lord have mercy of him!
There are tons of bad priests out there, it's not shocking... It's just sad because Fr. James continues to be given an audience and promoted by the church and bishops.
There are many leaders of the Church who choose to follow the trends at the times they are more concerned about their worldly life. I would attest that they are not actually believers but puppets.
Thank you for sharing your wisdom. I always get some much from your talks.
Homophobics tend to have a lack of wisdom old bean!
@@SouthernHiker Its true
Of course He did. As part of the Godhead, the Second Person of the Trinity, He was present at the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Good point
Yeah, this is something that I've been thinking about recently
@@sueco_r because it looks like we are living there 😢
John 8:58, the Lamb of GOD.
That story also is a warning about using the stranger for your own good.
Thank you for your courageous rebuttals to counterfeiters.
even though they are wrong?
@@pastorbri to understand your question...who are the "they"?
@@kimlevesque6103if you have to ask that you haven’t been paying attention
Great Video Mr. Holdsworth! Thank you!
how so
@@pastorbri believe it or not there are people who appreciate hearing the truth rather than the lies you tell yourself and others.
As someone who engages in homosexuality, I am glad that this is up on RUclips, that we have some freedom of speech, and I respect your opinion. Thank you for sharing.
truth If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Research has shown that major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin since there is no choice offered. The fetus has no willful acceptance. However, if your religion or belief system states that it is a sin, then there can be no discussion. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. Facts are irrelevant. This is your only choice which doesn’t include options & exceptions. Rules are rules!
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality or religion, the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology & superstition with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression as well in the animal kingdom. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book & the numerous articles. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both determined by genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
‘Before Abraham I am’ He said. He was there at Sodom and Gomorrah. We know wat happened there and why. Something to do with sodomy?
John 8:12-"58"
"Before Abraham was born, I AM"
Beware of Matthew 6:2, 7:21-23, 10:15, 18:6 & Luke 6:46-49
cool then, let's repeat everything the jews did and believe in. Oh wait...
nothing to do with sodomy, but not helping the poor n needy (ezek 16;49) or did God lie?
@@pastorbri what is the meaning of sodomy? If follow you correctly, if I am greedy and I don’t want to help the poor, does that make me a sodomite?
truth If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Research has shown that major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin since there is no choice offered. The fetus has no willful acceptance. However, if your religion or belief system states that it is a sin, then there can be no discussion. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. Facts are irrelevant. This is your only choice which doesn’t include options & exceptions. Rules are rules!
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality or religion, the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology & superstition with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression as well in the animal kingdom. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book & the numerous articles. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both determined by genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
Actually, Jesus DOES condemn the practice. The Greek word for “fornication” or “sexual immorality” (depending on the translation) is “porneia,” which encompasses any sexual practice between people not married to each other, which would by default include homosexual practice. Jesus uses the word “porneia” in the gospels, meaning He addressed the issue, even if it was not as directly as other sins.
I’d also like to point out that, if we’re going to go down the “Jesus didn’t say it” road, that Jesus didn’t specifically address rape or incest either. So according to the logic of Martiin, rape and incest are also okay.
And finally, it is also a subtle jab at the authority of St. Paul’s apostolic letters, as the issue is also addressed in Romans 1, I Corinthians 6, and I Timothy 1.
actually no he doesn't
Jesus’s teachings are for all times. Praise God. 🙏🏻
and he was anti homophobia.
@@pastorbri It’s not homophobia to recognize homosexual behavior is a sin.
@@kzbaby2002 That is exactly what homophobia means! That's like saying "Its not racist to know black behaviour is a sin"
@@pastorbri Let me ask you, do you think any other behaviors are sin? Which and why?
@@kzbaby2002 Homophobic behaviour like racist and sexist behaviour is aa sin, assume u disagree? Because it hurts people and encourages lies and some use Gods word as a weapon to support it which is offensive to God. Did you not know?
I'm gay and Catholic. I've spent a great deal of time in prayer. I have felt God in my life and I have felt guided to do many things and give up many vices. I found help in reducing my alcohol consumption. I felt God guiding me to a better job where I'm in a better position to serve my community. I have many times been guided away from vice by God... but I never felt as if the love I have for my partner was wrong or evil. I don't feel that the Catholic Church must allow gay marriage, but I just don't think it is in and of itself a sin. That simply has not been my spiritual experience.
❤
Repent and never do any homosexual acts. It is condemned numerous times in the Pentateuch, Paul's writings, the Catholic Church, and is included in Jesus's statements on sexual immortality. Repent.
@@__Man_ Gosh, I wish I had sexual IMMORTALITY!
Our time in these temporary bodies is very short, we should strive to put off anything that could potentially send us to the wrong eternal destination.
@@trevorkuun199 Lots of people work on the Sabbath. Maybe they should be worried. Christians also don't celebrate the Sabbath on the right day. Maybe that's going to be the rule that pushes you over. Maybe Christians should keep Kosher. Maybe Peter was right and Paul was wrong. Or maybe the Sabbath was made for man and not Man for the Sabbath. The laws are for our benefit. Blindly adhering to them regardless of circumstance was something Jesus preached against numerous times.
Excellent presentation! You concisely and logically show how Fr. Martin's "bridge" has no foundation in the Truth of Jesus Christ. "Have you not read..." indeed.
Its hard to believe a Catholic priest who speaks as Fr. Martin does can be taken seriously. Scripture has commandments, not suggestions, and they bring REAL freedom.
Many of us regard Fr. James Martin as less of a priest and more of a joke. More of an inappropriate, dirty joke, actually...
He and other currently publicly "popular" Jesuits have convinced some of us to regard Jesuits poorly as the default which individuals can overcome. It is a very sad thing for me as the first priest I knew personally as our parish pastor was a Jesuit. My whole family loved him and he was a frequent dinner guest in our home. I don't think he a James Martin would agree on much of anything.
What's shocking is that the church continues to give him such an audience. His voice is magnified when it should be quieted. He's not helping the church and it's scary to think of the damage he is doing to souls.
@@laurenfluder537 Unless, he's like a fisherman with a shiny lure...... all rainbow colours flashing in the sunshine of a pleasant pool, then suddenly "hooking them and reeling them in" to the true heart of Jesus. This may be a way to fish for men & lead them to truth. Perhaps it's his methods & intentions which are tolerated by Mother Church.
But Brian doesn't more so.....why use a verse on divorce to support marriage?
Father Martin's rhetorical style reminds me of Original Temptation to Eve: Now the serpent ... said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” Father Martin undermines morality by instantiating doubt about morality by seemingly conflating obsolete dietary or ritual laws with eternal moral laws in order to undermine them by juxtaposing what appears to be ridiculous with what is licit and moral.
In other words, it's a nuanced straw-man argument. Exaggerate the truth of morality by adding to it what we know to be untenable. Then attack this exaggeration and seem to win. Brian sees right through this and so do many at least subconsciously.
maybe thats why so many follow the sin filled homophobic lifestyle?
Great, succinct video, Brian!
how is the sin of homophobia great?
@@pastorbri homophobia is not a sin. Sodomy and lying which you do on a regular basis are sins.
Amen, and thank you for bringing this truthful message, Brian! We cannot allow ourselves to be conformed to the pattern of this world, but must be constantly transformed by the renewing of our minds, being knowledgeable of His Word, striving to accept & understand it, not trying to mold it so that it mimics whatever modern-day social issue seems to be popular at the time. Too many times will others attempt to justify sin based on what Jesus *didn't* say. That is the fallacy of arguing from silence, and we must be very careful not to engage in that, as Christians.
but homophobia is of the world and u seem ok with that?
@@pastorbri What is "homophobia"?
O Lord, have mercy on me. O Lord, protect me. O Lord, have mercy on me and on all those impious people who take the holy scriptures to distort and deturpate your message and use them as a weapon to legitimise hating on their fellow neighbour. O Lord, I humbly implore, have mercy on those people, for they can't know just how mistaken they are, how wrong-headed they are, in hating others. Enlighten them with your light of divine truth, for they don't know any better than to judge and hate and condemn others, as they view themselves your annointed paladins of divine justice. Forgive their arrogance and pride and vanity and hatred and murderous wrath, for they know not any better. Amen.
I'm pretty sure we Homosexuals are outnumbered by you christians, making you the 'pattern of this world' and the one who conforms to wickedness.
God chose the things of this world that you consider foolish to shame you and the things you consider wise and therefore your wisdom. Or did you skip that part of the NT?
@@jonathanhansen1222What is "faith"?
Actually, He did say it. We just don't hear it or want to hear it. "You are Peter and on this rock I will build my Church." "I give you the keys to in heaven. What you bind will be bound. What you loose will be loosened." "He who hears you, hears me." "He who hates you, hates me and hates the One Who sent me."
If the Church says it, God accepts what the Church teaches.
so we know homophobics hate
James Martin is a dangerous man. A wolf in sheep’s clothing.
Before he went down this rabbit hole he wrote a great book “my life with the saints”. Worth checking out.
Pray for James Martin.
all homophobics are wolves in sheeps clothing!
For fear of appearing naive, who is James Altman and what is his dangerous path?
here is another book If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Research has shown that major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin since there is no choice offered. The fetus has no willful acceptance. However, if your religion or belief system states that it is a sin, then there can be no discussion. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. Facts are irrelevant. This is your only choice which doesn’t include options & exceptions. Rules are rules!
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality or religion, the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology & superstition with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression as well in the animal kingdom. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book & the numerous articles. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both determined by genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
And Jesus denies the idea that you can "pray away" homosexuality. Remember that line about your inability to alter the color of a single hair? Yeah, he said that. We're talking genetically determined attributes that cannot be changed.
Very well said, sir!
badly said sir
@@pastorbri you're just jealous because he's a real man and you're not.
Martin's book, website is just apologia for his own homosexuality.
Martin, justification.......sounds familiar
Which appears to be prevalent amongst Jesuit priests. After hearing what their Superior General said about the devil, I have to wonder what they're being taught. And they are so proud of their extensive education.
Bingo.
Who knows? He might be a secret homosexual himself
@@blitzzkrieg1400 It's all about working as a team, lots of equity for the team members if Sodom is anything to go by.
This is a good video, and I agree with your conclusion, but it isn’t what I was expecting. What I was expecting was for you to cite Romans 1:26-27, which refers to homosexual relationships as “dishonorable passions.”
Maybe Jesus didn’t directly state “homosexuality is a sin” during His 30-ish years as a man, but He communicates through others such as Paul, Moses, etc. There’s a reason that the Bible is more than just the four gospels.
🤺☦️🇷🇺Jesus said He came to fulfil the old testament and not change it, and that not even one letter of the word of God can be changed ever, and so the new testament never changed and contradicted the old one, only expended it in different forms and manifestations for the gentiles who were not confined by God to the specific laws that Jews were obliged to keep, but THOSE basic tenants, of marriage, sexual conduct etc. are foundational for ALL mankind, since the time of Adam to Noah's sons, and anyone who doesn't understand those simple basic foundations can never call himself a Christian. Even the heretic Protestants understand that, and that says a lot🤦♂️
NO IT DOES NOT! Read the whole chapter, this is paul condemning heterosexuals doing same sex acts in idolotry cults.
*God the Father communicates it through Moses etc., not the Son - He does it through the apostles
@@pastorbri
Paul was condemning LUST
Pls don’t set a double standard for heterosexual couples
His point was LUST
&lust is lust across d aisle, my brother
@@mariaamaka Yes lust from heterosexuals doing same sex acts in their idolotry cults, thats what it says in the text.....please read a bible....
He ratified the moral injunctions of the law. Furthermore, His apostles condemned it explicitly.
and yet didn't
@@pastorbri "Do not think that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill."
[Matthew 5:17] quit lying sodomy is still a sin.
@@pastorbri Have you no fear of God? You must know this life is but a moment. What will you do when you stand in the judgment? Who will you make appeals to for help? Now, right now, is the time to die to your desires and ideas... to be conformed to Christ... and put away such wicked foolishness.
What these individuals don't realize is that homosexuality was basically unheard of in the culture of the time/place Jesus preached in, and therefore not in any need of condemnation. Hence Paul's expressing his shock about how the Romans 'exchanged truth for a lie'.
I don't know if that's true. I think the Macabees were fighting, in part, the hellenized culture around them which included that.
There has always been homosexuality.
lmfao are you trying to say that Jesus was ignorant and didn't know about everything? Is He a messenger of the I a.d. century jews or was He the messenger for the entire world?
@@kevinkelly2162 As a verb yes but only as a noun since just before the 20th century.
Taking on an identity of sin is a foolish act of self betrayal. Fetishized transgression is as old as Eden.
Hebephiliac exploitation is as old as time, possibly.
@@paisanoarbr Lots of straw men cluttering up the threads today.
Jesus condemned transgressive disruptive serial behaviours. St Paul was preaching in areas where transgressive goddess sex/death temples demanding inverted sacrifices were the norm.
Bigger picture and historical research.
This is excellent! Thank you.
how so?
1 Corinthians 7:2 - But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.
I don’t understand why people who hate Christianity’s teachings, like James Martin, are Christians or in his case a priest. Why in the world did he decide to become a priest? Why doesn’t he leave the priesthood & the Church instead of staying in a religion that he doesn’t support? This is not just an angry or smart aleck comment; I’ve always wondered this about a wide range of Christianity-hating Christians & truly want to understand them.
Ditto!
no hate here If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Research has shown that major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin since there is no choice offered. The fetus has no willful acceptance. However, if your religion or belief system states that it is a sin, then there can be no discussion. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. Facts are irrelevant. This is your only choice which doesn’t include options & exceptions. Rules are rules!
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality or religion, the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology & superstition with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression as well in the animal kingdom. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book & the numerous articles. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both determined by genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
It is sad that the Jesuits or the Vatican don't step in.
yes as satan hates it when we love one another
truth If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Research has shown that major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin since there is no choice offered. The fetus has no willful acceptance. However, if your religion or belief system states that it is a sin, then there can be no discussion. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. Facts are irrelevant. This is your only choice which doesn’t include options & exceptions. Rules are rules!
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality or religion, the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology & superstition with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression as well in the animal kingdom. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book & the numerous articles. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both determined by genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
The thing I don't get is why none, absolutely nada, of these homosexual priests and bishops have the courage of their convictions and just admit what they really believe and resign.
Because outside of the church, they have no skills or special status.
Yes, truthfully confess that they are, "practicing," homosexuals. That said, Sodomy is condemned in the Old Testament. The male/male and female/female.
or the guts and desire not to encourage this sin or remove it from their lives. and they will be the first to cry a storm when they are denied heaven and sent to hell for leading other souls there as well as theirs. enjoy your lust now. here is hoping you do not get colon cancer or any other problem there. I heard a story about a baby boy who was abandon in a muslim camp and a young missionary came around this little soul. his butt was so abuse and torn that in order to save this little one, he needed a operation. damn those who cause this to happen and damn you all who encourage this evil agenda on our children. you will pay. karma will get you and it will be hard
because they are not all LGBT obviously old bean, but people who won't follow the homophobic lifestyle choice you do.
@@pastorbri brush up on your scripture maybe? and I am not "phobic", but I am afraid for their salvation. and my own.
Question: Who here has ever met Father Martin? I met him at Fordham when the school hosted an early edit of The Flannery O'Connor documentary. IMO, he is an honest, friendly, generous (to a fault), and faithful man. After the screening, he joined my family for dinner. Trust me when I say my aunts and cousins are old-school, staunch Catholics. He passed with flying colors.
And yes the early Chruch Blessed same-sex unions, read John Boswell
God is the primary author of the Bible.
Homosexuality is condemned in the Bible.
Jesus is God.
Thats why the Bible should not be taken literally.
@@quint2857 ah because you disagree with it. Well I guess we should listen to you 😂. Really poor logic man go troll somewhere else
@@brianfarley926 No because it says to kill and be prejudice.
@@quint2857 the wages of sin is death.
@@quint2857 punishments for Jewish society back in antiquity were always going to be more severe than modernity because in those societies for them to thrive they had to agree with one another. We live in a time with technology we’re we don’t have to.
Secondly the punishments in Leviticus were for Jewish society thousands of years ago, it was never written for any society outside of that.
That doesn’t just mean that society should accept homosexual acts. The Bible flat out says it’s immoral with several other sins.
If you can’t deal with it that’s fine, but we don’t have to subscribe to your view either. We’re not under some obligation to allow so called gay marriage in the Church
This is very good!
how is the sin of homophobia good?
I literally thank God for Brian .
His wisdom is clarifying and edifying and encouraging .
I'm so grateful ....
I thank God for Jesus not a man
@@pastorbri
Straining at gnats .
I thank God for Jesus AND for the people He puts in my life , through which He ministers to me . He ministers to me in many ways , and my brothers and sisters in Christ are among those ways .
But keep one- upping people . Apparently your ways is 'best' .
Ring bells as you pray and give alms , too ?
@@jackieann5494 Gods way is best. Not yours.
@@pastorbri
And you , too .
@@jackieann5494 My way is Gods way, yours is mans, I mean look how you ignore 1 tim 2;8-14!!! Shame on you!
Keep your good work going, Brian!!
how is telling lies good thing?
Excellent session. I’m Catholic and I am repulsed by clergy that lead the faithful astray. May the Triune God save his people.
well as a catholic you will be ok with adding to Gods word too.
@@pastorbri God made his feelings toward sodomy pretty clear when he wiped out Sodom and Gomorrah.
Brian, you are incorrect. Paul has authority to proclaim God's word directly from Jesus Christ, given to Paul on the road to Damascus.
1 Corinthians 6:9:
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,"
God doesn't hate homosexuals, but homosexuality. It is a sin, period. Other sexual sins include heterosexual sex outside of marriage and lusting after someone of the opposite sex.
@@nathanhileman3848 Sorry but you are incorrect, yes, Paul does Paul has authority to proclaim God's word directly from Jesus Christ, given to Paul on the road to Damascus. But Paul never once addressed LGBT issues, you just hope he did. I see u used a modern bible to help your sin.....As only modern bibles slyly add in lines like homosexual or men who practice homosexuality, words Paul did not say, we know this is a lie because the word homosexual did not exist in Pauls day, as a word it did not exist till 1869.....why are u ok with this lie and a lie in Jesus name which is worse.....God doesn't hate you homophobics, but practicing the homophobic lifestyle is wrong and sinful. It is a sin, period. Other bigoted sins include racism or sexism also....Note Jesus only mentioned heterosexual lust outside of marriage and lusting after someone of the opposite sex.....clearly he has more of aan issue with heterosexuaality than LGBT issues! Think on that old bean.
O Lord, have mercy on me. O Lord, protect me. O Lord, have mercy on me and on all those impious people who take the holy scriptures to distort and deturpate your message and use them as a weapon to legitimise hating on their fellow neighbour. O Lord, I humbly implore, have mercy on those people, for they can't know just how mistaken they are, how wrong-headed they are, in hating others. Enlighten them with your light of divine truth, for they don't know any better than to judge and hate and condemn others, as they view themselves your annointed paladins of divine justice. Forgive their arrogance and pride and vanity and hatred and murderous wrath, for they know not any better. Amen.
Father James Martin is an insider traitor to the faith
like all homophobics are
When I listen to fr James I'm turning into Hank Hill: that boy ain't right, I tell you what.
I don't understand why religions making gender an issue when temperament and character are more important about a person not gender itself...
knowledge If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Research has shown that major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin since there is no choice offered. The fetus has no willful acceptance. However, if your religion or belief system states that it is a sin, then there can be no discussion. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. Facts are irrelevant. This is your only choice which doesn’t include options & exceptions. Rules are rules!
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality or religion, the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology & superstition with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression as well in the animal kingdom. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book & the numerous articles. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both determined by genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
So well said, especially at the end. Thank you!
I trust St. Paul not martin. And why did 🎉Sodom and Gorroma get destroyed
The Bible is clear why Sodom got destroyed. See Ezekiel 16: 49-50. Notice: not one word about homosexuality. (By the way, you should learn to spell "Gomorrah.")
The bigger question is why Fr Martin’s Bishop hasn’t reprimanded him on his heresy and stopped it
its homophobia we need to stop
Fr. Martin teaches SIN. While Bishop Strickland is removed.
The only people Jesus condemned were the religious hypocrites, the Scribes and Pharisees.
Incorrect. Please actually read the gospels.
What is the story on this James Martin? Why is he allowed to continue spouting things that even I, a compkwyely non eloquent and not educated on.theilogy, am able to listen to a video like this ...and bam the penny drops on.a number of issues in a few minutes. How does an educated PRIEST get it so wrong? I'm genuinely confused, I am not trying to be a smartarse. I don't understand why, if he is so into his beliefs he doesn't just consciosly- uncouple himself from.the catholic church and live as a gay man with his own set of rules? Take his bible down to the beach and reflect on what the pages "tell him" and his partner for the day over a latte, instead of be constantly bothered by what WE all are "forcing" onto him.
The reason the pulpit is pounded about this is bc it’s a sin being normalized as acceptable. Those who follow Jesus are following God. We don’t require Jesus to restate every single rule or law and the NT is not a transcript of every single thing he ever said, they are segments preserved.
do u miss it when homophobia was normalised, even though it was a sin?
How many in the churches have had more than one spouse? According to Jesus, they are all adulterers and have made others adulterers, too. Even looking upon a woman with lust, is adultery in your heart. What's the Old Testament penalty for adultery?
What did Jesus say about False Prophets? Matthew 24: 24. What did Jesus teach about that Temple in Jerusalem? Was Trump CHOSEN BY GOD to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem? "Oh shut up! Silly woman." said the reptile Donald with a grin. "You KNEW damn well I was a Snake, BEFORE you took me in. I'm going to bite you right on the pussy."
So MANY so Horribly taught. The Rapture is a LIE. "Left Behind" is ass-backward fiction. Matthew 13: 30. Final judgement for the devil and dragon (Revelation 12: 12-13) is set for 10/10/26. Daniel 7: 9-14.
truth If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Research has shown that major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin since there is no choice offered. The fetus has no willful acceptance. However, if your religion or belief system states that it is a sin, then there can be no discussion. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. Facts are irrelevant. This is your only choice which doesn’t include options & exceptions. Rules are rules!
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality or religion, the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology & superstition with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression as well in the animal kingdom. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book & the numerous articles. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both determined by genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
Here's this up front, read through the whole thing, I'm wanting a genuine response at the end, please.
Doesn't the old testament say that if a man Rapes a woman that he must marry her and then pay the father off?
Quite the set of rules.
I'm bisexual. I've had male and female partners. I'm also a conservative, i was baptized as a Christian. Then I read the old testament, god comes off as a child throwing tantrums to get his way, and it baffled me that my all loving God would do such horrid things. I lost my faith and found a new one in Hellenism and philosophy.
Lately I've been struggling with it and wanted to believe in God again, so i started looking at videos to help me. Its videos like these that push me further away.
Why would our all loving God make ME this way then SHUN ME? Why would he love me but hate me? Why make me this way if i'm apparently damned from the start? Why would a God that loves me force these feelings onto me and then tell me i'm wrong?
Explain that to me please, help me see the light here, clear up the confusion, and the doubt.
Hello Theprusian,
I read your message and I would like to reply. Sorry my English is not perfect, I am from the Netherlands.
I am also bisexual and I recognized myself in your situation. I know how difficult the struggle with faith and sexuality is.
Not many people can empathize with homosexuals, and they make wrong comments. I read a lot of hate comments on messages posted by gay Christians. It's almost impossible to save LGBTIs if you make wrong comments.
It seems that many straight Christians hate gay Christians, and for that reason make wrong comments, they have no battle with sexuality in their lives and have no compassion.
Some homosexuals will probably leave
the Christian life after reading these negative comments. Don't make your choice based on homophobic comments.
These people who post homophobic comments cannot empathize with the struggle that homosexuals have.
It's not easy, but reject the frustrations of these negative comments. Ignore these negative comments, and do not pay attention to these messages.
Forgive these people who post these messages, and reject hatred if you are Christian. Love your enemies is what God asks of us.
(Matthew 5:44 & Matthew 6:14)
Love God above all and your neighbor as yourself, think about why you post texts. (Matthew 22:39 & 1 John 3:15)
Theprusian, I also sometimes feel frustrated when it comes to my sexuality and faith.
I see so many gay christians struggling with their sexuality, It makes me sad. It is important to know that time is short because the return of Jesus Christ is very soon. It is also important to make the right choice and set priorities.
There are people who have doubts. Is sex before marriage a sin, is homosexuality a sin?
They have these questions because they do not believe the scriptures and interpret them differently.
It is understandable, there are homoseksuals who find it difficult to give up their gay lifestyle.
People are so beautiful and perfect made by God, It is understandable that you can find people of your own gender beautiful and fall in love.
You will have to fight when you get thoughts that become between you and God. (James 4:7)
If you decide to fight, it is important to know that the battle takes place in the mind.
Your lustful thoughts, thoughts in the flesh can stand between God and you.
I want you to know that after the fall into sin, humanity has entered mortal flesh. It is important to know, there are no struggles in heaven, we no longer struggle in the flesh. Because, we receive a new glorified body, we no longer live in the flesh in heaven.
We no longer have a body of flesh and blood.
(1 Corinthians 15:44 - 1 Corinthians 15:50 - 2 Corinthians 5:1-6 KJV)
It is important to make the right choice be saved. It is a choice between eternal life and death. Be willing to give up your life to receive eternal life. (Lucas 9:23-24)
We are not destined for this earthly life, this world is a temporary residence for humanity.
It is important to be ready on time for the second coming of Jesus Christ, there is not much time left, Jesus' second coming is very close.
Stay strong, believe in yourself!
Jesus return is near
Love you 🩷
✝️ 🙏
Thankfully, Jesus never specifically forbade armed robbery.
Things Jesus didn't condemn: genocide, abortion, euthanasia, strip mining, colonialism... and the list goes on.
But commanded us to love each others, which those things you listed are truly not.
add this to the list If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Research has shown that major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin since there is no choice offered. The fetus has no willful acceptance. However, if your religion or belief system states that it is a sin, then there can be no discussion. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. Facts are irrelevant. This is your only choice which doesn’t include options & exceptions. Rules are rules!
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality or religion, the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology & superstition with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression as well in the animal kingdom. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book & the numerous articles. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both determined by genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
@@dan69052 thank you for sharing your ideas. I have been a Christian all my life, but only when I went to University I discovered that Jesus does not demand anything against reason and for him humans are more important than rules and dogmas. This is what you see in the Gospels.
Awesomely spoken. Thank you, Brian.
But he is wrong
Good info Brian. I also like to point out in similar discussions that Jesus didn’t speak of rape, incest, etc. but obviously they are wrong as well.
@@destonswan2054 your logic is faulty here. Abortion is not an act between two consenting adults. It is an act between the mother and a non consenting preborn human. The lack of consent is analogous to rape but much more grave as it is an act that terminates an innocent life.
yes he did.....Jesus gave us 2 laws, one was to love your neighbour as urself, explaine how rape is loving.....
@@pastorbri ahem "Do not think that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill."
[Matthew 5:17]
@@eagleofthesacredheart3170 Do u hate Jesus ?????? He said he did not come to destroy the law but fulfill it, so he did not fulfill anything, so we re still under the old covinant? WOW. What a pointless death on the cross Jesus went through for u.....all for nothing......wow. You are so lost....
BTW do u still murder rude kiddies then or kill anyone who has sex out of marriage as the old law says u must then, its in lev 20;9-10.....so how many have you murdered today so far?
@@pastorbri begone boy rapist.
You are simply the best. Thank you.
Jesus didn’t write anything
Reading what you want into the Bible, so you can get what you want out of it!
thats what homophobics have always done
““Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.”
Matthew 18:6
thats homophobics stuffed then
@@pastorbri Homophobia is not a sin. Being a sodomite is a sin.
@@eagleofthesacredheart3170 Depends on what you mean by homophobia, really.
@@eagleofthesacredheart3170 For heaven's sake, read your Bible to find out what the sin of Sodom was -- it's very clear in Ezekiel 16:49-50. Not a word about homosexuality.
@@hemiolaguy Ezekiel, speaking for God, says that Sodom had “pride, surfeit of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy” (16:49). In the very next verse though, the Lord says that “they [the inhabitants of Sodom] were haughty and did abominable things before me” (16:50). In context, the prophet is listing Sodom’s sins: pride, excess comforts, ignoring the needs of the poor, haughtiness, and the commission of “abominable things.” Since the writer of Leviticus defines homosexual activity as an “abomination” (Lev. 18:22), we can conclude that the “abominable things” Ezekiel mentions are homosexual acts.
The main issue is James Martin engages in sophistry.
The way he evangelizes sodomites will not lead to more salvation only more damnation.
And he does not engage with truth. He behaves like a recklessly bad protestant pastor.
Great rebuttal by the way.
It's baffling that a priest would promote something that clearly goes against the 6th commandment. He clearly lost his faith. He wouldn't lead so many souls to condemnation if he believed that he'll have to answer before Our Lord for that. Let us pray and fast for him and many other bad priests.
so thaats homophobics more so then
Im glad I found your channel because you're answering all my questions that i always had. Thank you so much, and keep up the great work . Let's all stay true to our faith until the end.
Didn't Jesus say that He did not come to abolish the "Law" or the Prophets but to fulfill? If Jesus did not come to abolish the law of the old testament, then what is Father Martin's defense of homosexuality? I believe that Jesus also said something about any who change the least little bit of the law or breaks it and teaches this to others will be considered "Least" in the kingdom. Matt 5:17-20
So that's why Christians obey all of the Old Testament kosher laws, like not eating pork or shellfish, not sowing 2 kinds of seeds in a field, and not wearing mixed fabric garments. It all makes sense now!
Sincere question here- if you believe the Bible explicitly condemns homosexuality and that only men and women can be married together, what about individuals who are born intersexed, with both male and female genitalia? Also, what about the genetic condition in which an individual looks female, normally extra feminine, but in adulthood, finds out they are genetically male? Those things do occur. I’m struggling with what parts of the Bible are literal and what are metaphors. Also, gay marriage would be illegal back then. All sex outside of marriage is a sin. So is it possible that the sinful part of homosexuality is simply the act of fornication? And also, the Bible EXPLICITLY states unnatural relationships are sinful. Given that people are attracted to the same sex by their own nature (how the brain is wired), would that mean ALL relationships are sinful for them? Seems harsh TBH. Nobody wants to speak seriously about this.
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Mathew 5:17 This means Jesus accepted the Old Testament on homosexuality among other sins.
Well said. By the way, if Fr. Martin wants to dismiss the Old Testament in favor of the New Testament, he might want to see what the New Testament (particularly the letters of St. Paul) has to say on the subject of practicing homosexuality.
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Book of Romans is quite clear on the subject.
He once made a tweet where he suggested “Paul got it wrong.”
@@IpCrackle I'm not surprised he would say something like that. But still, what hubris to deny the Word of God in favor of your own personal views. And this coming from a priest. Sad.
Which was nothing......assume ur on about romans 1 where paul condemned heterosexuals he knew doing same sex acts?
"Father Martin"????....what a laugh!
He sounds like a Reformed Jew...."the Ten Suggestions...."!
Great video, Brian. Honest, heartfelt and based in the Truth. Thank you very much.
Homophobics tend to not tell truths.
I get it now! Jesus didn't explicitly say it's BAD to sleep with the same sex, just that it will not allow you to live your most fulfilled life because only man and woman can compliment each other so perfectly that they "become one" as the Bible puts it. Some would argue if it’s keeping you from being fulfilled as Jesus gave his life for you to be, it is BAD, and I can understand that. But for those of us with beloved family members who may never see it this way, it is nice to feel like they are not committing some capital sin
I'm glad you get it
Judaism had long rejected it and was not prevalent at the time. Nevertheless, Jesus doubled down on marriage between one man and one woman. In addition, He may have spoken more about it, but so much was not recorded.
or maybe he spoke more on homophobia and it was not recorded, no wait it was as he has issues with hate and bigotry.
Yep and even lusting after a woman is adultery in your heart. And if you have sex with more than one person -- not only are you an adulterer, but you have made everyone else who subsequently has sex with those people, adulterers, too. What is the OLD TESTAMENT penalty for adultery? Isn't heterosexual immorality more prevalent in today's churches than homosexual immorality? The Rapture is a LIE. "Left Behind" is ass-backward fiction. Matthew 13: 30. So MANY so horribly taught. 100's of millions deceived by False Prophets. Matthew 24: 24. Final judgement for the devil and dragon -- Revelation 12: 12-13 -- is set for 10/10/26. Daniel 7: 9-14.
A chaste life is very liberating.
Who says that you must indulge in sex, that you can't control it?
truth If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Research has shown that major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin since there is no choice offered. The fetus has no willful acceptance. However, if your religion or belief system states that it is a sin, then there can be no discussion. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. Facts are irrelevant. This is your only choice which doesn’t include options & exceptions. Rules are rules!
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality or religion, the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology & superstition with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression as well in the animal kingdom. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book & the numerous articles. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both determined by genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
Great commentary Brian!
how is the sin of homophobia great
"John the Beloved" ...
"Naked boy: ...
"His head was resting on Jesus's chest..."
... no disrespect, Christians, but please GET THE HINT. John was His boyfriend.
“Who’s going to save our Church? It’s not our bishops, it’s not our priests and it is not the religious. It is up to you, the people. You have the minds, the eyes and the ears to save the Church. Your mission is to see that the priests act like priests, your bishops act like bishops, and the religious act like religious.” The laity will save the church
The ewes in the pews are okay, but the Catholic Church is the same unreformed Whore of Babylon that she was in 1517. DCLXVI = 666 in Roman Numerals. Vicarius Filii Dei adds up to 661, unless U=V, as it does in Old Latin. Then the count is six hundred sixty six. Revelation 13: 18. The Republican CHURCH (not the Party) became the synagogue of Satan (Revelation 3: 9) in 2016, when ALL the Prophets of the NAR proclaimed Trump CHOSEN by God to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem. Matthew 24: 24. So MANY so Horribly taught. The Rapture is a LIE. "Left Behind" is ass-backward fiction. Matthew 13: 30. Final judgement for the devil and dragon (Revelation 12: 12-13) is set for 10/10/26. Daniel 7: 9-14.
You are such a voice of reason and faith. Thank you.
and yet wrong also
Thank you for your work, Brian. It's awesome.
why when he is wrong
The Pharisees were specifically asking about marriage and divorce. “…and become one flesh” could be a reference to bearing children. He wasn’t asked or speaking about sexuality.
Additionally, the vast majority of practicing Jews do not struggle with the idea of “homosexuality being a sin” because they know the Old Testament story of Sodom and Gomorrah was a parable about being inhospitable to guests. It is a strict rule among Jews to always be courteous and welcoming. Everyone ignores the fact that the townspeople (including men AND women) banging on the door demanding to be given the guests to rape were also talking about the wife and the children-Western thought only dwells on the idea that some of the men in that crowd might have been intending to rape the husband alone. Complain about not reading the scripture a little more. lol
How the hell does Jesus quote the old testament.?? It was written after he supposedly died.!!!
And he didn’t even wrote the bible ,its all fake .lol
Wow, so well explained!!!
how so
What's the line with a priest preaching heresy? The only priests I see getting in trouble are the ones staying true to Catholicism.
If Jesus did not condemn homosexuality - well, then, why did he destroy Sodom and Gomorrah?
Great question.
Leviticus 18:22
“Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”
A liberal friend of mine has given me a Fr. Martin book each year at Christmas. I leaf through it politely and have to admit he is a good writer which means he uses the figurative….often. That said, I’ve seen him on TV .Ike the old Steven Colbert show and he is quite different, smug and overconfident. There’s a contradiction in how he presents. like a chameleon. And now he’s had two very long sessions with fellow Jesuit, pope Francis.
Did you ever get that Spidey sense that something just ain’t right?
I do love this RUclips site.
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homophobics are all smug and over confident.
@@pastorbri so Fr. Martin is homophobic?
here is another book If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Research has shown that major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin since there is no choice offered. The fetus has no willful acceptance. However, if your religion or belief system states that it is a sin, then there can be no discussion. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. Facts are irrelevant. This is your only choice which doesn’t include options & exceptions. Rules are rules!
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality or religion, the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology & superstition with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression as well in the animal kingdom. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book & the numerous articles. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both determined by genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
Would it be too corny if I say you hit that one out of the park?
Father Martin needs to be saved. He'd see things differently if he was a Christian.
Doesn’t anyone think it odd how God forgives all your sins but not the sins of people who sin differently than you?
BRILLIANT!
how is supporting the sin of homophobia brilliant?
‘You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination’ Leviticus 18:22
‘If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them’ Leviticus 20:13
‘For this reason God gave them up to dishonourable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error’ Romans 1:26-27
‘Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor persons who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God’ 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
‘The law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, persons who practise homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine’ 1 Timothy. 1:9-10
For Lev. 20 : 13 I don't think those who engage in homosexual sex are to actually be put death, perhaps meaning spiritually after they die? But remember the Bible uses this type of language often to illustrate how serious God is about certain things, for example Matt. 5 : 29-30. Also I don't think someone who wears multi-material clothes would be judged on par with those who have homosexual relations..
Jesus didn't condemn homosexuality, but He does mention that homosexuals are condemned in practice just as every other sin.
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 so right
As a Christian, I have been struggling with this topic for a long time. I felt God directed me to your video to answer my questions. I agree with everything you say. Thank you. 🙏
think before agreeing If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Research has shown that major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin since there is no choice offered. The fetus has no willful acceptance. However, if your religion or belief system states that it is a sin, then there can be no discussion. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. Facts are irrelevant. This is your only choice which doesn’t include options & exceptions. Rules are rules!
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality or religion, the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology & superstition with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression as well in the animal kingdom. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book & the numerous articles. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both determined by genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
If two men or two women love each other and want to live together , I suggest they 1st find out what pleases God and then live a holy and private life where they will be able to express that wonderful love how God shows them is appropriate.
I am a Christian who is working through same-sex attraction at the minute and for me the closer was very simple:
ALL sex outside of marriage is not allowed. Marriage is between a man and a woman.
That doesn't mean we don't have a role in God's kingdom - we do, we have ALL been called and we are able to reach people that some other people may not be able to, because they don't have a point of relating. Which is to say - our life experience gives us a deeper insight into the lives of people who have lived this life differently to others.
When we become Christians, we are called to sacrifice our own identities - no matter what those identities are, and assume our new identities in Christ. That's why sacrificing the flesh is so hard!
But Jesus Christ offers a life beyond all of this - and if it's your identity to live celibate and in service, then pray about that and take on THAT identity. There is no greater calling than to call others into God's kingdom, you will find more peace, purpose and passion in that then in all other things. 🙂
Jesus NEVER mentions Homosexuality. (Paul/Saul did in his letters, but never Jesus)
The bible is God's word. If Paul, a man of God, talks about it and writes it down in the Bible, does that not mean that God himself wanted to have it written down?
First, if you reject Paul, you are basically rejecting Christianity. Second, if as you suggest, the absence of any explicit condemnation by Jesus of a particular act means that that act is morally permissible, then you have just argued that pedophilia is morally permissible. Because the Gospel record does not contain any explicit condemnation of that by Jesus either.