How Hi-Rez Almost Destroyed An Entire Esport - Paladins
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- Paladins as an esport at one point looked like it had a bright future but a series of questionable business decisions and negligence by Hi-Rez nearly destroyed the entire professional scene.
This is the story of Paladins esports.
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UPDATE: Hi-Rez has made the decision to discontinue their support for Paladins esports in 2021
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This is so sad can we get 1 like
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have they explained this decision? I'd like to know why is that...
@@mastergs32 they want to put all there focus on the game
Hi-Rez has the unique strength of being able to drop a fire game and then manage to kill it as soon as it really starts cooking.
Mixer and Facebook Gaming lul
That reminds me, how's Rogue Company doing?
Word
Tribes Ascend...
@@steel5897 f
Hi-Rez really has a way of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. It's almost impressive
Honestly, I want this game to succeed, as an Overwatch fan. Healthy competition only makes both parties better in gaming. But it looks like Hi-Rez is so incredibly negligent.
They have a great capability taking bad desicions haha
You're right man. Just look at fortnite after apex
Hi-Rez mostly forgot about it, but Evil Mojo hasn’t. And its world championship ends tomorrow on stream, we’re getting a new character February have a PTS drop today and the game is more wild than ever
They are, it hurts as a dedicated Paladins player...
both companies fucked their games that had amazing potential tbh its sad
FACEBOOK???
WHO
WHY
WHO HAD THE WHOPPING 5IQ POINTS NEEDED TO MAKE THAT DECISION
Here comes the money
Here comes the money
Money, Money, Money, Money, Money, Money, Money, Money, Money
The same people that pushed the game to be pay-to-win
chrck out ob 64
But.. Money!
To be honest, although it hurt them, it was probably what kept Paladins from flat out dying. With the Facebook/Mixer deals, they at least survived to be able to now come back from those low points.
@@nara1280128 hirez: where's all the money...
So much potential, crashed into the ground.
Potential? Paladins is literally fisher price's first FPS game. None of the heroes require any aim and you just flail around randomly and kill people.
@@Sammysapphira what? Have you played the game for more than 2 hours? If you try to play Andro, Evie, Drogoz, or Maeve without being able to aim, you'll get clapped so fast you won't be able to say "oh shit."
@@Sammysapphira clearly u don't know shit about paladins
Go have fun with playing fps in Minecraft
@@Sammysapphira lol play evie or meave i thinks u have play 1 game in ur life
@@Sammysapphira u never play paladins
The statement at the end encapsulates exactly why this game is still going, Hi-Rez just knows how to make good characters, and when they fuck up, they do their best to correct it their course and do better next time. Paladins is like a delicious cake, but the cook never gets the frosting right, and at this point, it feels like no frosting will get people to buy the cake, but those that get a bite really like it for what it is.
It's a real shame they keep making questionable decisions, but at least they are trying to make it work.
Interesting analogy
I very much agree to this. When I picked the game up during it's Beta I was really hyped. I saw a lot of potential for it's future. It just needs a dash of this and that to make it a great cake but like what everyone knows, they never got it right.
It's however the kind of cake that I am guilty of still liking despite of the sour taste it leaves in my mouth. There's just something to it that keeps calling me back every now and then, even though it wasn't the same as how I first experienced it. Probably it's the hope that it might miraculously get really better.
See I tried the game a few years back when I was o round 12 and I was awful at the game, but recently(around June) I was really bored and remembered Paladins I had never liked overwatch so I thought I would not like Paladins, BUT to my surprise it is my favorite game and I know I’m new so I may not be able to speak but I love Paladins, I’m so happy with the game even though it’s riddled with issues. I have all the Champs and a bunch of really awesome skins, just hit gold and I’m going for diamond this season. I hope to one day play in ppc or at least become a successful creator for the game (making a YT channel soon).
@@cosmic7639 That's great to hear. I wish you all the best. I have nothing against people who like Paladins. I think the reason why I am so different from people like you is that I was exposed to different kind of Paladins that I can't stand how it is now.
I'm actually kinda jealous of those who got see Paladins for how it is now since they don't end up reminiscing about how it used to be and don't have to go through the process of relearning the game due how much change has happened since I last played.
@@cosmic7639 you go, my dude, save this game
Hi-Rez games are all cursed with this fate, it is wild how they keep doing this
Couldn't agree more. Once my favourite FPS
They do their best but their best isn't all that good
It's not cursed , it's their decisions
Most likely some of their boomers investor.
Can’t wait for Rogue Company to get a character who can shoot through walls and is “exciting and balanced”
Whoever signed off on the Facebook decision, should've been fired, and then Mixer right after.
I laughed so hard when I got to that part in the video
to all rogue company players, enjoy the game while you can
Yeah
Lol
Was gona say so but u did it 😅😅
They lived through OB64, this game isn’t going anytime soon
@@underthat4350 only reason paladins and smite are alive is because people whale on skins
"With Facebook" oooo nononoo
I was expecting to hear mixer
And then mixer lmao
I thought that the worst possible mistake is to switch from Twitch to YT like OWL, HiRez made even worse mistake. "Facebook gaming" What the hell is this?! Mixer and YT sound better, but Facebook gaming is MEME
Im Asian Dave it's the same thing as overwatch switching to RUclips instead of twitch
@@nex5691 But ya know, its something like this:
Twitch > YT > Everything else
I picked up this game without knowing it's history.
I really like it, but it makes me sad. This game is great, the people who own it less so.
True enough for random queues, but at least most streamers are enforcing healthy environments!!
Its a really good game but it could be so much better
@@nasirulrich2148 third person is coming back, huge reworks "soon", and a new hero so lots of stuff inbound.
Absolutely cancerous fanbase. Even in casuals.
@@theunknown33 if you get out dpsed by a healer you earned getting yelled at tbh.
The thing about Paladins is that it could've made the entire hero shooter genre better by having a competitive relationship with Overwatch. Quite possibly like Valorant and CS:GO (csgo having a massive update like ping system).
Instead, I feel the decline between the hero shooters nowadays.
I agree. Personally Paladins felt like all they would work on were skins. You'd have unfinished stuff at every patch. They apperantly had time to add a new skin for people to buy but not finish the splash art for a character ect. I think they should have focused on polishing the game bit by bit with each update (to cater to more players that look at the game from the outside). And probably also refine the hitbox sizes since they are way too MASSIVE. Hitting shots in paladins don't feel like I actually earned those shots and its not as rewarding because of that.
With Overwatch, the game is very polished but it feels like a fuck fest more than a hero shooter. Most of the new heros have flashy abilities that hide your entire screen and the amount of cc mechanics helped push the "shooter" part of "hero shooter" out of the game.
Hi-Rez is like a greedier version of Blizzard
@@InvaderD0c they keep bringing up the argument of "skin designers and modellers have no relation to bug fixes or coding"
Which in a way is true, the main issue is that paladins is a giant spaghetti code mess (which is why they never upgraded the game to unreal engine 4 that could actually make it a rival to overwatch in terms of visual)
omg its ifun pog
@@TheGoodguyperson Apparently it was originally coded very poorly, and to improve the game they would need to rewrite all the code from scratch. Which they should do. Lazy fucks. It's like, do your god damn job.
The thing that makes me saddest about playing Paladins is that I'm actually having fun playing it... and it's going to end whenever Hi-Rez randomly makes *_another_* devastatingly moronic move to completely kill it for good one of these days.
They won't, they have learned from most of their mistakes; they fixed most of the game breaking bugs this whole year, they formed a solid and interesting lore, they have being creating interesting champions with unique abilities kits. Idk, maybe people will say I'm "crazy" for believing in Hired-evil mojo promises, but like you, I enjoy the game, and the last thing I will lose is hope, because besides to the fact that they messed up, they never gave up, they kept creating content and didn't let their game to die, opposite case with Blizzard who is allowing to Overwatch to die slowly
@@mordredd "unique abilities kits" "fixed bugs" ok im not believing you anymore.
@@katinha3020 I agree, half of the newly released champs have had guns that shoot really fast and none had any interesting new methods of shooting. Sure some have halfway interesting kits but it's similar to the other older champions just slightly better.
@@mordredd spirit doesn't make up for competence. It's clear the Hi-Rez does care about it's game, but they don't have the aptitude to keep it going long-term
@@deejaydee1578 say that to Smite that has more than 6 years
its crazy how this game is still alive after all the dumb shit theyve done
Its just a fun game honestly no matter how you look at it people just enjoy the game honestly
@@hazelly90 i kinda enjoy it, disregarding all the technical issues and how unpolished it is after years of live service
@@stanleychen2584 me too man
Same could be said for Overwatch. The two of them are out there, making stupid decisions along their way but somehow staying somewhat alive.
@@lucianovoznuk2457 Maybe the difference, it's that OW did a fuck up when they introduced Briggite, make the damage class useless, so. How the fixed it, forcing a 2-2-2 team. Composition.
Restricting in game team composition creativity
Thank you hi-Rez, very cool!
ahhh yes a MC youtuber watching Paladins vids,just what i need
Ox hi Adrix
E p I c
@@whiterangerr6322 ok
shutup checkmark.
Remeber when Hi-Rez made a BR? Yeah, me neither.
Nope, but I had this dream about this awful game called realm Royale.
I once had a dream about a game where people turned into chickens
It was pretty fun
Basically a battle royale where you use Pip's ult
That game was awesome! It was definitely my favorite br. Wayyyy over 3,000 wins on it. I just wished that they could’ve fixed it better. Things such as; better servers, fixed game crashed, bugs, glitches, made it 100 actual players, kept the cooldowns lowered, added more to the game! Guns, characters, etc.. but I loved the chicken system, I loved the feel of it, I liked mixing abilities into a battle Royale, I liked the forge, the weapons, and the customization of loadouts. They just couldn’t keep up or fix things fast enough.
What did we learn? Never choose to stream on Facebook.
Look at Jayne reinvent esports there lmao
Bruh momentumo
@@francosun2358 I guess he failed reinventing esports on FB then lol
Depending on the country
And to not stick with Hi-Rez games
5:13-5:25 - They had us in the first half ngl
Its sad how this game has soo much potential, and the people running it are trying their hardest, but Hi Rez isn't giving them/doesn't have the resources to help them succeed
I want to come back but every time i read/watch paladin news they seem to have a new fire they are trying to extinghish....
@@AuroraTheFirstLight it’s not all bad, if you watch the right stuff and play the game for fun than it’s actually very enjoyable, I say give it another shot, no pressure tho.
Don't say they're doing their best because they are not
@@yorha19F the devs are doing their best. don't be angry at them. its very difficult job and they don't get to make all the decisions. be angry at hi rez, not the devs
@@cosmic7639 i agree i still play palaidns from time to time but I go in with the mindset to have fun and the gane is fun ive bern playing alot of Vora lately
Hey everyone, we just wanted to clarify a mistake in the intro of the video. We call Paragon a hero shooter inspired game when it's a MOBA similar to SMITE. The main takeaway from the inclusion of the example was to mention how close of a release date it had to Overwatch and may have suffered in its initial reception as a result compared to if it had launched later in the year.
Same is true of Battleborn, btw. It's more Blizzard employing some hostile marketing than anything.
what is the point of that intro anyway? why not just get to the point of the video?
@@InnsannaStories was it really by Blizzard's design, though? It seemed to me like gamers themselves were the ones making the comparisons. Still, it's a shame to see these two games buried before they had a proper chance and playerbase.
@@gummostump4217 look at when they announced the overwatch beta and what date it was, and then look at battleborn's release date and when that was announced :)
Do you make a video about Smite Esport too?
Imagine if Paladins had the level of Funding Overwatch has...
The Game would have thrived a lot more I think :)
@Mr Mistah next year is gonna be worse
if Paladins was polished as much as overwatch, it would be twice as better
@Mr Mistah that's kinda why they deleted half of the modes, the kill cams, play of the game, and 3rd person. Next update should be a fixed up version of third person mode.
@@Flourikum so they are wasting resources on a feature that was never even meant to be in the game? Oh yeah that's hi rez for ya
@@BarkaDog it was meant for characters like Fernando, Bomb King, Raymond, basically any of the characters that don't need to rely on a first person point of view and commonly have a third person view in their kit.
Just want to say that Epic Games' Paragon was not a hero shooter in the slightest. It was a 3rd person Moba akin to SMITE, another Hirez game.
Smite is more like a 2.5d than a full 3d one. That Z axis made it feel so much more rewarding and fun.
@@dupla0392 The fuck? Smite is full 3D what do you think it was Super Smash Bros?
@@thechugg4372 there is basically no z axis aim/movement in it. 2 way aim vs paragons 3.
@@dupla0392 it still 3d
@@eduardoaguilera8344 gameplay wise, it is closer to 2d, as there is only 2 axises you can move and aim.
First lootboxes, now Esports. What’s next?
Sexual misconduct with the employees?
Don’t tell him about DMbrandon
Kresnik wouldn't have to coerce me into anything. ;)
girl that started with the probably false sexual accusations is even in Olympians lmao. even posting her nudes on Twitter lmao and people take accusations from such girls 100% not realizing half of them play the victim. people downvoting any opposition on Twitter/twitch and Reddit and hirez banned him after 2 days of the accusation so they made it look like all accusations are already confirmed...yeah it is bulslhit. yeah i know Hirez just jumped on the train otherwise they would get shit on by all pretentious people who think they are fighting against harassment but in fact just supporting the toxic movement with toxic approaches and supporting fake accusation + playing victim. and all the people who harassed Brandon... they owe DM unban at least and mybe apology. also Smite reddit is being held back by bad mod rules and stupid bans.
@@GamingDualities
I do agree that false accusations can be really damaging but- no, we should take them absolutely seriously unless they are explicitly edgy jokes.
wait wtf?
I love paladins.
It has become a very well-balanced game compared to a few years ago.
Come and re-live those once fun feelings!
It is still a good game when you consider that it is free to play.
I believe that HI-REZ will still do well.
A well balanced game?
It was more balanced in the beta stages than it is now. No wonder's the game is fuckin' dyin.
@@dariushajnala5562 You know what makoa was years back? yeah the game was in a pretty balanced state a few months ago, but since corvus buff the things are becoming a little bit messy (not exclusive because corvus, im just using it for a time reference) and the game still quite balanced.
@@lucasf1674 It's only balance cause they are creating an "Fight OP with OP" meta.
Evie and Maeve are broken cause Wormhole and Cat Burglar.
Vora is 50/50, I need to test her more but so far she looks overtuned.
Those are just examples. The game at its core is shitty, cause their idea of balancing is to introduce more broken shit to counter the existing broken shit.
That's not balance.
hi rez panders to the woke identity politics crowd which spells doom for this game sadly
Balance or not, I went and played it again, and it's still notthe Paladins I fell in love with. The older characters I used to love just get shit on effortlessly now and the kit design has become gradually more and more restrictive, and I just don't like it.
Hi Rez is like your luck when there is a loot box system
It's great and grand at first,but then it ruins itself just for the shits.
a rigged lootbox system
Good as an analogy bad as a reason for this *THING*
You mean the gacha system... Zhongli
@@danielendless God dammit you beat me to it
Actually I’ve had very good luck with Paladins’s chest system
When Paladins first launch, I remember a group of friends and I spending an evening queuing against Burrito Esports! One of my few experiences playing at such a high level. I owe that to Paladins! It’s a shame to see that Hi-Rez giving up on such a good title..
You could make a whole series about what Hi-Rez has destroyed :)
Paladins had a great esports maybe it will get another semi professional year. i loved traveling the world for it meeting all the fans and having drinks with the others
GERRAH
I played 1 game vs you when you were NA. Serpent Beach. Fisheko was duo with KCrunzy. KC on Evie, you on Willo. I played Viktor and Fisheko (on tank or healer) flamed KC all game for sucking at Evie, and me after game for never killing you XD
The game was perfectly designed. Good characters, a card loading building system. High skill ceiling and easy to run. But hi rez wanted to fix something that wasn't broken released 0b64 and killed the game when it was picking up
OB64 is the only reason the game is still alive today bro. It allowed them to find a good spot for their micro transactions and made card building more in debth
OB64 actually got the game A LOT of new players (which was why the update happened)
@@zachgoniea8019 how many stayed. None. Op and pay to win systems
@@patricklodge1576 I stayed Einstein
@@zachgoniea8019 hey Einstein, they had to reverse everything about ob64 due to it being a trash update lmao. Console sucks now
Hi Rez makes a good game
Gets rid of a feature that makes people leave
They bring it back but it’s too late
One problem with code is seem that Paladins still run on Unreal Engine 3 so it kinda outdated. So i expect that by 20xx or until the very very next gen start in a near future we may expect Paladins 2 running on a better and advanced engine with improvise on gameplay again.
@@vietbachtran1915 The Unreal APIs are not different with new updates, it's the engine that is different.
Basically anything you can code in UE5 you can also code in UE3, with the exact same code by the way.
Gameplay wouldn't improve if they moved over to newer Unreal Engine versions, what would be improved would be performances, physics, rendering, lighting, shaders, etc... And we all know the game can already run on a potato laptop, and we don't expect them to remodel absolutely everything to take advantage of those new engine updates anyway.
“The future is looking a bit brighter” lol
Paragon... sorry I need a moment
That game was amazing. I miss it till this day. Fuck fortnite for killing that fun ass game
@@chekerz123456789 paragon wasnt doing that good anyway but they made lots of money with fortnite
@@no-ge5mu it didn't do well but since fortnite made so much money they just pulled everyone from every other project. So that meant no paragon no unreal nothing but I real and fortnite
@@no-ge5mu yes I know the situation. But I would still rather have Paragon rather than dumbass fortnite. Paragon honestly had some of the funnest gameplay out of any game I’ve played in the past 15 years. The ideas in that game were honestly fairly unique and very well fleshed out in my opinion whereas fortnite to me represents like a casual little kid game and I just resent it. (Yes I know fortnite has a huge competitive scene)
I guess it’s just one of those “back in my day” moments lol
@@chekerz123456789 if Paragon didn't have an identity crisis between being "the good old MOBA that you know & love" and "revolutionary MOBA with 3D gameplay & aiming" it might've stood a better chance against Fortnite
Raise your hand if you didn’t even know you could stream on Facebook...
Do you guys live in caves?
@@BarkaDog Ok back then who TF knew facebook streaming was a thing. I didn't find out about it until some months ago.
@@BarkaDog no I live in the present
I didn’t n ow Facebook streaming was a thing until sometime in 2020 LMAO
It’s pretty popular livestream site but not for gaming
The draft/ban system combined with the item store in Paladins always made it a better E-sport than Overwatch in my eyes. It added a new level of strategy and unlike in Overwatch, you couldn't just swap character mid-game to counter pick your opponent.
Yes. It's make the game harder and more logic. If the opponents has champs that counter your champs at some aspects. You need to know everybody strength and weakness, learn more way to play even improvise tactics at your own champs instead thinking you should have pick another champs should solve the problems lol
Retired comp smite player here 👋 just here to hug my fellow hi rez game comp players because 😔✊
I want to go into Paladins but I’m not sure how
Retired comp paladins player here, I'll take one of those hugs
@@cosmic7639 PCML is open bracket.
@@cosmic7639 wait til next season and BP start up tbh. Most play it for BP points but if the nerfs are as big as they say they will be flankers and snipers are going to have to play with more skill once again.
Brooo ur goated in ranked ily
After all the shit they have done paladins is still alive which shows the incredible potential the game has
4:36 the awkward handshake is a classic in e-sports
PALADINS STORY:
Closed beta phase began on November 17, 2015. The game officially went into open beta on September 16, 2016. An Xbox One and PlayStation 4 versions of the game entered their closed beta phases on March 14, 2017. Both of these ports went into open beta on May 3, 2017. Paladins launched out of beta on all platforms on May 8, 2018. After that, Paladins was released on June 12, 2018 for Nintendo Switch.
:)
yeah-
PALADINS CAME INTO 2015.
just letting you all know.
More in-depth overwatch content!! I rewatch those like 6 times. They are so good.
Chill bro.
Its called Akshon Esports not AkshonOW
@@cold_ultra I follow this channel because of OW, nothing else
@@stachuvonokrutny7071 nice!!!
@@cold_ultra I know, but their overwatch content is so good.
The first couple seasons of the PPL was sooo fun to watch and follow. They had all the big names, you name it. Fnatic, G2, NIP, Envy.
I loved the scene, and the community. And they destroyed it all. It still hurts.
Those were the glory days for many people as major esports orgs were series about fielding rosters which made the future look bright.
OMG Burrito in the finals were a joy
The level was so high and the competition so close, too. I still remember when Renegades rose from nothing to the top of the NA league, or when Virtus won out of nowhere in EU, that was so exciting to watch.
Man, seeing these 2016 casts at the start brought back so much nostalgia in me.
I really miss the time where i thought i could trust Hi-Rez to not fuck everything up :')
I still have to be thankful tho, it's because of Paladins that i gained interest in E-sports as a whole, then got hooked into OW, and LoL after this.
I sincerly miss the time where i thought that Paladins had a bright future tho. It hurts.
Hi-Rez? The company running smite? Screwing over a game and not caring about their community? NEVER!
This game still has so much potential . The only thing overwatch has over this is polishedness. Otherwise Paladins is a far better and has more depth. Someone save this game from its publishers and developers.
Faxxx I played ow for the first time in 2020 when echo was new.....and lemme say its not as hype or fun as Paladins. I did however was in love with the graphics.
Ohh 2016/17 paladins, stolzey, bugzy, z1, Burrito Esport, my favorite back then. Amd dont forget the dark age OB64 if i remember correctly.
sparkling watamelon ahh damm so many memories with me and my brother playing it together. I remember in season 1 of ranked, I went and destroyed players with the broken counter Zhin build, it was really fun ngl
Paladins has a lot of potential but it looks like the devs totally don't care.
Hi rez keep killing all their good games. They killed realm, paladins' esports scene, they killed smite for a bit and etc. Now they are just focusing on rouge company
Smite definitely had a low point but it seems to me at least the game is starting to pick itself back up. The last 2 season were pretty great if not starting to get a bit bland, but with a new map and a rehauled starter item system coming next season the games future is looking fairly bright.
I really wanted to play Rogue Company but my 1000 hours in paladins make me not even wanting to get attached to another great game with expiration date.
@@aggelikinikomani i deleted rogue company after 3 hours and back to paladins, thats really boring.
Who remembers Nuclearsharkhead?
I used to play this game almost everyday still playing it today, but it never was like the old days.
What happens when the Devs do a good job, but Management is a bunch of toddlers playing darts with the future of the company?
Played it for about 600hours. I loved it so much... this video brings a lot of nostalgia. Thank you so much.
I don't think I will ever play it again.
I've played a good portion of Paladins (About 1,500 hours) and I was not loyal to it because I was well aware of its defining marketing philosophy. They treat it in a way that seeks early gain, and nothing long-term. They had a great idea on their hands but didn't seek to improve it and make it a solid status game. I think they started to kind of move in a direction of long-term, but then didn't commit and that really just set them up for awful decisions. The reason games like LoL got HUGE was because Riot and those huge esport companies put money into their game and had faith. Hi-Rez refuses to have faith in their game. I think if Paladins was actually put real time and money into, it would be absolutely great. Maybe it's too late now because of all the bad rep, but there are so many players that would come back (me included) if they even attempted to make the game of similar status and quality. The concepts in the game and the ideas that the game revolves around are AMAZING! However, the amount of bugs, poor performance optimizations, and the way the esport is managed completely tanks it.
I feel like making the game Free-to-play was one of their big mistakes, too. Had it not been made that way, they likely would've had more money to use and whatnot. Without the champions pack, you have to grind for hours on end to earn enough gold for a single champion. And some champions are priced higher than others, which requires even more grinding. Champions like Seris and Strix (as far as I remember) who are really good cost 60,000 gold and then there's champions like Buck that cost 15,000. There's a lot of imbalance in that system. Their main problem is making things Free-To-Play and not fully committing to the game and making it better. Nowadays, they shove a bunch of skins in the game so they can make as much short term profit as possible before their game dies completely, because at this point I think they know it's inevitable. I love the game and it has so much potential, but it falls short in many, many ways. Maybe in the hands of a different developer, things could go better but after the reputation it's gained I think that would be hard. Making a sequel would look like they're trying to copy Overwatch, but it would be very good for the game-provided it's made right.
@@aqualight1760 First, Seris good😂. Second if they weren’t Free to Play I am 200% sure that they would have been slaughtered like Paragon, Law Breakers, Gigantic, and Battleborn by Overwatch because no matter how high quality you make your game. If it is somewhat comparable to Blizzard then you hope and pray that you have decent enough community to live past the few years. The wort thing they ever did to Paladins was 2017’s short sightedness which culminated into OB64 and the split of Hi Rez. If Paladins didn’t have a vocal community then I am pretty sure Paladins would be completely dead and be another Dirty Bomb
I've been playing the game since Beta and I was actually really into the game. I loved Paladins in it's early days and was excited to see where it goes in the future. There were a number of issues but since it was still in Beta I gave it a pass but out of the blue on May 2018 it finally came out of Beta and nothing much was different and tbh it felt a bit worse than how it used to be due to a lack of features that I loved and rousing amount of bugs and such issues that still haven't been sorted out.
I still wanted to stay hopeful that the game will get better but as time went on nothing much happened. I then took a long break out of my own volition because I keep running into bugs and etc. that just ruin my gameplay experience. The bugs were miraculously not as harsh after like a year but I no longer play the game as much as I used to and the fact that it still has the same problems that pissed me off didn't help.
I agree that it would've been great had Hi-Rez given the dev team more resources and management because looking at how Smite is I know they can do it but they just waste time and money on making other games that all crash and burn (Realm Royale, Smite Hand of the Gods and etc.). They did however manage to luck out with Rogue Company but I fear that this game might get the same treatment or if it does succeed it might suck more of Hi-Rez's attention away from Paladins.
@@underthat4350 why do people always bring up paragon in a conversation about paladins and overwatch
@@davidzapata3917 but even though it wasn’t kill by OW, screw Fortnite, it still died like the rest. Paragon type games are popping up but by less experienced studios using epic assets and Gigantic has its spiritual successor in Project Stamina b/c it wasn’t closed from OW comp. Gigantic closed b/c the devs were basically in publisher purgatory and couldn’t continue working for free for over 1.5s years while paying off debts to ALL their former publishers.
honestly sounds like a warning tale about prioritizing money via exclusivity contracts over everything else. feel like even casuals would've told you that most likely watchers weren't on FB gaming or Mixer
It’s more about not underestimating the life span of a free to play game and squeeze all the money you can from the first public year *then* start developing a game
Dam, I knew of the mistakes High Res has done with this game casually, but they really messed up in the competitive section!
I always am weary with them since the Cards Rework they wanted to do in the past. I still enjoy the game from time to time, as Devora is a great new Champion!
the game has the same issue as most other Hirez games. divided ranked community. a big reason their games are doing poorly. only certain gamemodes have a ranked leaderboard. which divides the community. Hirez clearly loves dividing the community in every game they make
Dude it's so sad seeing a game that I like so much failing so bad-
0:50 im still waiting for playing paragon again...
I’m pretty sure Smite is the only Hi-Rez game to survive past 2 year mark.
Hi-Rez=Game Killers
It's got a small community still
Actually SMITE and Paladins still live and breath so far now. If something fked up then it must have been Realm Royale and Smite Tactics. I have no ideas who the fk at the member board of Hi Rez doing many stupid decision
@@vietbachtran1915 Smite is still alive albeit far from its former glory. And will probably remain so for the foreseeable future. Paladins on the other hand is dead with a laughably low playerbase. Hi-Rez is infamous for killing games with unbelievably stupid decisions that ruin games. For example they removed the class system from a battle royale game that literally ruined it and killed its playerbase.
who is watching this after ppc got killed
Even tho I love Paladins cause it's gameplay is quite unique, I don't think it will last long if Blizzard makes overwatch free to play once the sequel is out.
I think it will last cuz a lot of paladins players have overwatch. We just don't find it as interesting
Overwatch is not going to be free to play. OW2 is just an update to first game, and for entirely new players OW2 will be sold with both PvP and PvE modes, while for us, current players, it will be like a free engine update with paid Story Mode DLC
@@perma7744 That's a fair point, but if they are both free to play, new players are gonna be more attracted by Overwatch since it's the more well known game. But yeah the paladins comunity will probably stay since, once you know the game, it's really fun.
@@mattphyx I honestly think it would be kind of dumb to not make Overwatch 1 free To play since there would be no reason to buy the first over the sequel. Plus, every big conpetitive game is free To play (CSGO, League, Valorant, Dota, RL, etc) so passing f2p would boost Ow playerbase by a lot, and boost the viewership of Overwatch League. But Blizzard have done some bad moves in the past, so I would not je suprised if they aren't doing it.
@@pierre-alexandre8528 if you bought the first kne, you'd be getting all the PvP updates that come in the second one. So it's not gonna be free I don't think.
Umm... Battleborn didn't even have an Esports scene. In fact, Gearbox even stated they had literally no interest in it. That's also why Battleborn never had a ranked mode.
That's exactly what he said?
@@saito853 No he didn't. He said Battleborn attempted to have one i believe.
@@ShogunPlasma 1:19 "Paladins is the only OW competitor that survived long enough in the market to have an esports scene"
Alright, but Battleborn was never supposed to have one to begin with? So whats your point?
@@ShogunPlasma Just because the dev didn't make the game with the intention doesn't mean it can't have a competitive scene, in your logic competitive Melee should have never existed.
Paladins is actually the reason I ended up trying OW in late 2017.
Same but in mid 2018
For me its overwatch that is the reason for me to try paladins
Same but I got OW like august 2020 lol
True. Those $40 price tag is a MASSIVE barrier for me, even though i really liked their cinematic, character designs, etc.
So thanks to Paladins, i became more confident in the genre, and decided to buy OW.
I played paladins first to see if i liked hero shooters. Then bought overwach and had a lot of fun in season 8-9-10. Then they started ruining the game with bad characters, forced metas, queues, power creep, to the point of being forced to play one or two characters at most. So i went back to paladins and i'm having much more fun
Even though the esports side and hard-core competitive didn't pay off, paladins is still very fun and active game, under a minute to find matches and there's depth to gameplay, it's the overwatch made right, I got back to it and now I play everyday with my girlfriend, it's hella fun.
Meanwhile overwatch is pissing itself
"meanwhile overwatch is pissing itself"
Then why is Paladins Reddit panicking after seeing OW2 will be free to play, roadmap and release date revealed, animated Pixar quality shorts being released again, Xbox buying blizzard which means even more support etc?
@@ElixoYT just coz people in a subreddit are panicking doesn't mean the devs are, or have a reason to, now for sure PL will lose some playes for it, but OW2 going f2p isn't as good as you think, it means they are trying to attract players and OW2 having such massive budget, if the new player don't spend enough money in the game, this could actually be what kills OW
Paladins sound voice bug is a mess, in order for them to fix it the only thing they can do is remake the entire game in UE 4/5 (since it uses an engine from 2005), and right now that's literally impossible for them. Some champs are a mess, buggy abilities, ults, and instead of fixing them they decide to add new buggy/OP characters and skins, and let's not forget OW 2 going F2P which is one of the advantages that Paladins has over OW 1. Of course they're fine, right?
@@ElixoYTWell that worked out well for OW2 eh? Kek
My man raynday is here
he left paladins for apex lmaoooo
@@souperman6406 good decision honestly
Yeah I’ve given up on hi-Rez games they are always great at the beginning then almost immediately lost my interest
Aaaand, they’ve discontinued their official esports for 2021
Forever bud
As someone that was competing with the best Australian teams in this game I'm honestly just so sad about the way things went. The game was always so fun and the esports scene was incredible to be apart of. When Australian players went overseas to compete full time it looked like there was a chance that Paladins and everyone involved in the esports scene could go so far. It truly felt like hi rez struck gold. Update after update it declined steadily though. Seemingly every announcement left everyone scratching their heads. I don't think there was ever a nail in the coffin for this game, just a slow and painful bleeding that never ceased, despite the community fighting so hard for success. All of us truly tried our best to make Paladins the best it could be. In the end hi rez just killed it dead, like every other game they create and subsequently drop for short term financial gain
Why Facebook? Why?
Paladins has SO. MUCH. POTENTIAL. I can't fathom how somebody could fuck things up like this. I will continue to play this game just hoping it gets better. Imagine if Respawn took over. THEY WOULD MAKE PALADINS SO MUCH MORE BEARABLE
I mean, how can you even build a good competitive scene when the game itself is so filled with bugs at the point that programmers start to listen to suggestions from fans since they don't know what to do anymore.
I pray for Rogue Company to succeed.
Signing up with mixer was the worst decision ever
I don't think RC will though. After the first few weeks of sponsoring a ton of RUclipsrs and streamers, it fell off quick. Kinda like Hyper Scape.
@@aqualight1760 it’s not falling, it’s slowly taking shape. Currently it’s not in a state to blow up, but I’m sure it will with the right decisions.
@@thadex454 The wort thing they ever did to Paladins was 2017’s short sightedness which culminated into OB64 and the split of Hi Rez. If Paladins didn’t have a vocal community then I am pretty sure Paladins would be completely dead and be another Dirty Bomb. Mixer gave Hi Rez money to put back in Paladins. FaceBook deal was probably the worst for the esports scene
Don"t mess with us paladins fans
We don't even enjoy our game
Those who stayed that is
Partialy true
They didn’t just killed the Esport, they killed the whole freaking game
Good video. I'm glad a channel with quite some focus on Overwatch actually researched about Paladins before falling into some stereotypes. I used to play OW for a while but i just found Paladins more fun and competitively interesting in every way, becoming my favorite online game (that's still being updated). And, indeed, as it was said near the ending, it's such aN unique game that feels so fresh to play and watch, it's really hard to not put any hopes on it despite the shit Hi-Rez constantly throws at us.
5:20 SOMEONE GOT PAID FOR MAKING THAT DECISION
the intro just made me go way way WAYY back. i used to love this game. also VORA GO BRRRRRRRRR
well this video hasn't aged well huh
Not "almost" anymore :(
Im really enjoying your paladins videos! Good job!
Glad to hear it!
I've been involved with playing Paladins for more than 4 years now, and I can tell you that this game has been through a lot.
The game itself isn't bad. The players are very loyal to the game and the community has such a strong foundation for improvement that we all want. The main issue at hand, as this was mentioned in the video, is that management as absolute dogshit. From hearing about stories from ex-pros that do streaming about the game now, to some people I've met personally that participated in high-rated scrim matches and some even in the beginnings of the Pro League the game offered, or just coming across the Pro League players (throughout my matches overtime), it's just saddening to see a game with so much potential got to waste because of bad management. The Mixer and Facebook deals was purely an attempt to raise $$ for the company, and they didn't see things in the long-term at all.
For those wondering, the game is still going good and even though most of the player base got yeeted during the OB64 update, it's slowly regaining but it more likely will never hit that peak ever again (it got around 60k+ on steam charts before the OB64 update, which you can certain RUclips search about that shit show, but now it just hover around the 20,000-25,000 concurrent mark if you include console playing). There definitely has been much improvement and the current management we have now and the steps the management has took in Evil Moji and HiRez Studios (Evil Moji is the sub-company in HiRez Studios that oversees Paladins directly and is our resource for the game overall), than what was years ago. Things can still be done, but I recommend you guys to give it a try and see if you like it or not, as there are very great things coming soon in the future.
(My Pfp is a head-art drawing of the Dragon Character you saw in the beginning of the video when it switched to the Paladins topic, Drogoz)
i just wish someone like epic games pick up paladins and it becomes main stream its so good.
A few years from now, I want them back when Hi-Rez improves on the mistakes he made, and brings Paladins back to the professional competitive scene, I want to see them.
The paladins music in the background is just amazing.
05:20 I actually went “oooofff” on that part, that’s just too harsh
What is wrong with hitboxes in this game, players are shooting litteraly next to the enemy and it still lands the hit lmao. How could this be e-sport
Paladins hitboxes function very anciently. I'm pretty sure they're mostly just boxes that don't accurately follow the body of the champion. For example champions are stunned some of them might be lying down on the floor but the hitbox will still remain like a standing person
@@stomio6491 you can see it live. They're literal boxes that don't really conform to the champions bodies. You can into the shooting range and check it yourself.
Hi-Rez has so many enjoyable and good games, but then they proceed to burn them down immediately.
Imagine paladins being bought by another good company... The dream of every player. It is currently spaghetti coded and the hitboxes are weird...
I'm still surprised paladins grew so big. I played it when it first came out and never expected it to blow how it did
Well this aged fuckin terribly lmao
I quit paladins a while back, server issues were unbearable 🙄
SEA servers?
Paladins has lots of fun heroes
They’re literally all over watch clones
@@gromesh8384 not really 🤣🤣
@@gromesh8384 try to play the game first. You're literally spouting lies lmao
@@crysthicc8386 I have
@@gromesh8384 you know that a good amount of overwach heroes are also copied from paladins, right?
Looking back on it now, it seems like Hi-rez is literally a rich kid stereotype:
Literally given every tool to succeed, yet somehow STILL manage to mess it up. It is baffling yet sad at the same time. If they do come back (Which will probably be never), I hope they can actually get their following back.
Hi-Rez needs better management to make better decisions. What a mess. 😔
I just want this game to succeed. This is one of the very few games I am passionate about and that has so much potential its crazy. Currently, Paladins is like a Caterpillar in its chrysalis, ready to burst into a beautiful butterfly; but it just needs that push to get there. Hi-Rez needs to clean up their act with this game. I dont wanna see this game die.
3:17 " regular, casual quick play"
With that ATROCIOUS match maker? The lies.
Anyone who didn't get into this game, let me let you in on something. Quick play in this game is often regarded as more competitive then ranked mode
i guess u are not from the beta days
undoubtedly casual is more competitive these days, but back in the old days ranked was super sweaty. while now its a joke getting to master.
@@toast5614 I started playing in the OB20s or 30s. Whatever patch ying got reintroduced into the game.
I only stopped playing a few months ago now
welp even so idk why u would think ranked is not competitive, it was rly after late 2019 where there were many players leaving myself included when ranked became a mess.
@@toast5614 I never said ranked wasn't competitive. You need to read what I said again
"Almost"
*laughs in pain*
Hirez is already killing Rogue Company
i love paladdins and played a lot of it in 2016, when ow came out, and was a little jealous of all the popularity ow have anove paladins, then in 2017 finalyl bought ow, and got a good pc to run it and i love it even more, the game got me, but not only because the gameplay, but the characters and lore, and because the game was dubbed to spanish so i can get more close to the characters. i have never came back to paladdins since them, even now that im afraid blizzard will fuck up big with ow2, the free to play battle pass mode scares me. ok very once in a while i play paladdins or nostalgia, and even if have similar concepts on ow, they are not the same game, the feel different and both are very fun
They killed the scene now
I feel like, for better or worse, Paladins will be more memorable in ten years’ time than Overwatch will be. Something just feels *right* about it.
Paladins : a game with alot of potential
Screwed by mismanagement
Shoutout to my boy simsiloo
Same with _Realm Royale._
Rouge company might be next
@@yeahboyz9314 dr disrespect has his face all over a dying game that hasnt even released
As a pre-launch player of Paladins I thought ob64 was the most stupid thing Hi-Rez would ever do to Paladins, so safe to say the expectations were low but HOLY SHIT