The Infamous Loot Box Update That Almost Destroyed Paladins
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2020
- What happens when in-game monetization goes too far and starts to damage the core gameplay experience?
In the infamous OB64 update, Hi-Rez caused lasting damage to Paladins after implementing a pay-to-win system which was ultimately beaten back by community backlash.
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Now Paladins work really really good, but isn't on the line as a time 😞
@@sudonim7367 I think they got into trouble with hi rez mabye
I still remember how the community celebrated when lead was replaced and immediately reverted Cards Unbound.
The fact that the system was approved by multiple people internally and was worked on by a huge team that let it go live speaks volumes about how greedy HiRez is as a company. They're so money hungry that they're willing to potentially destroy their own game to profit off of a few whales.
Yeah, definite monkey's-paw situation there. Here's the change you guys wanted! But now, things have been made worse...
@@adcrengar9877 In the PTS it was fun to mess around with, as there was some really wacky balance, but the progression was clearly very, very, very slow. I don't think anyone wanted it to go live as people had already calculated the cost of maxing out, but it went live anyway.
Hey, I'm a big Hero Shooter fan, but i haven't gotten into Paladins.
How's the in-game climate right now? Like, how hospitable is it for casual newcomers?
@@alexandredesouza3692 all is good now. You can try the game for yourself.
Hi-Rez is weirdly good at making good games terrible with a single decision, Paladins and Realm Royale
yeh but there are diff between those game now 1 (realm royale) dead and paladins system reverted to non pay 2 win now
@@iskanderkok7819 they let it died no more updates on that game they moving their resources to Rogue Company
Don't Forget Smite
@@pdinx smite got a lot of Collab wdym they collabed with Nickelodeon (ninja turtles and avatar)
@@SanAuzNictin Unbalanced Characters And Really Insane Metas
How tf Paladins is pay to win?
Ah... OB64... We pretend this abomination has never existed.
I remember how they felt so bad that they just gave you hella coins to apologize I got like 500k coins from them lol
Oh yeah, I forgot that existed.
I mean, it *doesn't* exist
@Ali Hadi Babar not anymore
@@ale-xc9bg yeah, they wanted to remove the essence system and replaced it with another one, that apparently caused the game to be P2W until they also removed it and instead gave all base cards for free with a refund for everyone
It was a dark but funny time period, I still have some of the sprites form the OB64 memes
Fun fact, the low quality drawing of the characters made to mock the lootbox system, can be used as tags in the game, if you get them in spray lootboxs....
when they first came out they were like 10 coins
@@casuallyYT Yup I have em all since I bought them right away once they first came out. Also I despise the game's ungodly amount of lootboxes with different prices and even putting in cosmetics that weren't originally in them (yeah, apparently the boxes are confusing af).
@@nekowatt2402 same i bought em all and i find em quite funny(kinda hate the fact that they are chest drops now)
@@casuallyYT They really are funny. Personal favorite would be Barik in Lian's dress. It really also is a bummer they like a number of other cosmetics have now become chest drops
@@nekowatt2402 my favorite is rip ob64 because well its ob64 it sucked
Ah the OB64 shitty art revolution, brings back memories.
ye
We got those in the game as sprays though. I will never forget ob64
@@alexiskinessa yep
good times, man. good times
I will never remove that Andro from my spray wheel
Hey everyone, we know that we ended the video on a somber note, but we just wanted to clarify that this event occurred in 2017 and that Paladins has since recovered. If you're looking for a new hero shooter to try out, we encourage you to give Paladins a try and see if it's for you.
Games so bugged his glasses clip into his head.
I like the whole video and when you mentioned the system been reverted .But why did you make this video? You are kinda 2 years late into the party
8:30 proof that fat executives 1% to 10% doesn't care about you
Imagine earning 1 to 2 dollars and hour in a third world while your higher management, COOs CEO earn the big bucks 50 to 100 an hour.
True story.
J3wsciety
Also, you forgot to mention even a basic script on Paladins works lol. Epic society cheaters at the highest level. Even top 20 ranking admitted it, other vip cheat users know.
As an engineer, lmfao basic macro script is abused for years. Rip that game.
Just a note to anyone who hasnt played, this topic is like 2 years old, maybe more, with that being said hirez always made questionable moves, this being one of them and it basically thanos snapped half its player base and it never recovered, there is like a small dedicated fan base which hirez try not to screw over without lube atleast
With that being said, hirez is a company with great ideas, incredibly shit execution
Paladins had 2 collective purges to revert cards unbound (this video topic)
Realm royale made so many random changes that werent even made for the game (basically youre allowed to group with 4 people, hirez changed it to a group of 6 per squad, now here is the funny part, you could only have a party upto 4 and if you queued you were forced with 2 other random players to fill the gap)
Tribes ascend was apparently a huge game with great potential but they shut it down
With all this being said, hirez is a very sketchy company when it comes to games
Heck i dont even think rouge company will ever go big especially with hirez
They fumbled realm royale when they were peaking at 130k
Rogue Company x Dr Disrespect is such a weird move
@@adcrengar9877 it couldve been a great promotional move, but there isnt much advertising about it
Alsofrom what i heard
They have a collab with 100thieves and have a skin pack for $20 but it doesnt include stickers or something in it (their bought separately)
Don't forget global agenda mah man. The game is a head of time.
@TheGoodguyperson Damn I haven't seen his guy's name in YEARS. :D
@@KongMan21 how do you do jacob ? uwu
I’ve been playing paladins for almost 3 years now and I can’t help but imagine how much better the state of the game would be if this atrocity never happened, the game still is fun and the devs are trying their best to make it better but sadly bc of all the damage that was done it’s being really hard for them but at least I feel like the game is slowly recovering
Oh 64 reverted 2 years ago tho come back and play paladins :)
just wait til they add payload mode back. All thos old fan who left the game will return, or at least give it a chance again
@@frogboi8579 they're adding it back next update I think, albiet with a limited map pool
@Makoa The Ancient yeah, but since the community wants both new game modes and payload back, it would be healthy for the game. it doesnt matter if it was popular or not in the past, that was 3 years ago bro, it could work now. anyway, beloved or not, paladins really needs a new game mode
The game has done nothing but go downhill and the devs haven't helped at all with it. From pandering to a very small percentage of the player base, *furries*, to releasing lazy champion, after lazy champion. Please tell me what's original about Corvus? You cant, literally, every ability is just some other champions' ability just barely different.
42 * 271 = A Lot
math checks out.
Always wondered why everyone is taking very old game footages when talking about Paladins ..?
ob64 was about 2 yrs ago
@@plodaerte yup, but here he is taking a lot of footages from CB
I don't know, it's weird. In this video there's even a few seconds of footage of the Raum update, so I don't get why there's so much old footage when they have more recent one at hand.
@@rodrigolealmartir5902 yup you are right, kinda weird
i see, its kinda misleading indeed, but so was the video as a whole, as a lot of other people commented...
hirez is dumb paladins is cool
0:22 tf goes on with this mans glasses
he hasn't fully unlocked the glasses.
Clipping issues
Glitched, will be patched soon
Ahhh, OB64. A moment in history where the community united to rebel against this unjust system. Important thing is we succeeded
Man as an Overwatch and general FPS player, I'd lose my mind getting killed by someone that just had either deeper pockets, more time than me or better luck at getting level 5 cards than my level 1 cards. I remember I was interested in this game but saw how the community had problems and didn't play it. Glad I avoided the shitstorm. What developer thought that introducing a system where anything outside player skill would be fun to die to? If I die and and I see it's because someone is cracked out on mechanics, I give it to them for the practice they put in, or outplayed me with an unconventional strategy.
At least Blizzard didn't implement a pay2win system (yet)
@@adcrengar9877 blizz makes bank off loot boxes, they don’t need pay2win. Overwatch is basically the only example of loot boxes done right.
@@siovgaming2674 plus it’s pretty worthless to buy loot boxes
@@siovgaming2674 blizzard is not making bank off loot boxes. the only way Blizzard is making significant money are smurf and alt accounts
I mean, Paladins is that way too right now, OB 64 was removed two years ago and the cards as a loadout system came back.
*sips water from a Gatorade bottle*
Paladins? Haven’t heard that name in a damn good time...
Which is sad, because it was fun, once upon a time.
It still is that.......thing of a update was.......uh pretty shit
i still play it, its pretty fun
OB 64 was two years ago and was reverted.
Then I recommend you to come back, since Vora drops live soon and she seems to be pretty fun to play
Sips Sprite
Those were good ol' days
Just me and Tyra was the best pick at the moment
For anyone who might be tired of overwatch atm play paladins, it's actually really fun. I love and play both, so I can tell you that they're only so similar in the concept, but the gameplay is unique enough so that it remains fresh.
Exactly, the card customization system and generally more MOBA esque hero design really sets paladins apart from overwatch
@@canid2088 true
Yeah I moved to paladins after being burnt out from Overwatch, its alot more fun and much more open with how heroes are played
3UR0MATIC Z3RO it really is a game where you can just avoid the competitive side, and it's just a super fun game to just have a chill time playing.
Paladins is absolute cheaply produced garbage. The only hero shooter worth playing next to OW is Valorant.
This has most likely done even more harm then good to our little community, old topic and healed wounds. While not in a perfect place Paladins still can be something with the right attention, unfortunately we are saddled with HiRez.
Is HiRez worse than EA?
@Ali Hadi Babar #shotsFired
Yeah, Hi-Rez really knows how to screw their own games.
Signed: a huge Tribes fan.
Its genuinely amazing how great this game has turned out after all this shit
Yup sadd
Luckily it's slowly gaining once again.
It still fun, but the decisions are fucking stupid. They took out Kill cam, Play of the game and 3rd person View for so called improved fixing bugs when the same bugs are still present. They also Haven't released any actual new maps since 2019, no new game modes (free 4 all & adventure mode should exist cmon) and lastly the champions they're releasing are just recycled from others only with a twist. For example Vatu is about shadows so he could've been using his shadows as some sort of weapon which would've been unique, but nope we got a Koga fused with Talus & Maeve with Androxus design.
@@pkmnproductions7461 i just want play of the game back
Just so we're all clear, PALADINS IS STILL VERY MUCH ALIVE AND YOU SHOULD TOTALLY PLAY IT ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT'S FREE AND VERY GOOD. THERE IS NO MORE P2W AND THE CARD LOADOUT SYSTEM IS VERY GOOD.
*P2W
overwatch better
Unbalanced, bugged piece of garbage game.
@@digital_nex2247 oh yeah go paying 60$ on overwatch
@@thisperson8315 ok better game in general
I love this game!! Viable supports, huge pool of unique champions and no role lock - the card system gives each champion loads of variability and personalisation so you can really make them work for you 🙌🏼
(don't let this video put you off - there's no pay to win at all anymore)
The only thing i wish they could add is a support who doesn't heal, but either buffs their team or gives additional shields as health. I really love Paladins, but it gets kinda boring when every new support relies basically only on healing, and they rarely have other tools to help their team.
@@mattphyx TORVALD!!! He's under the tank category instead of support, but he is that! (Just a warning: he's not very good in ranked rn, but he should be kind of what you're looking for) also, one of Jenos's talents causes anyone with his astral mark to have increased weapon damage.
@@logandaugherty9381 yeah i know that, but Torv rn is easily wrecked by almost every flank and dmg, is a tank, but cannot tank anything, and half of his kit is essentially silencing him for 3-4 seconds.
@Makoa The Ancient actually, hero shooters can have different types of supports, but you either have to pair them with a healing supp, or make their buffs/shields strong enough, so your team will survive if used in right time, on right person. Also, don't forget that half of the champions in Paladins have a lot of self-healing or lifesteal in their cards, not to mention that we also have Kill To Heal and Life Steal as obtainable items during the match. So even if in f.e. Overwatch it would be hard to implement non-healing support, Paladins are pretty well prepared for them, HiRez just needs to start adding those no-heal supps.
Torvald has worked his way back into three meta actually. The top pro teams love using him to pocket flanks hard and make them unstoppable forces, especially when combined with either Jenos or Corvus
7:52 "Could paladins have hold on a little bit longer"? WTF, dudes, you're bringing back a two-year-old controversy and talking about a still active game as if it had died. Queue times are rarely above 30~60 seconds and they just released a new character today, not even two weeks after this video was posted.
I love this game but no one talks about it and when they do they say its an Overwatch clone
Which if people actually played it would realise it isn't
The game has changed so much since open beta that it's barely like overwatch at all anymore.
It's more like if League of Legends and CS:GO had an angsty teenager that recently came out of the closet.
I first played during this time and can confirm being a new player was a joke. Came back and it is pretty fun now, still too much toxicity and throwing, but fun when you get a good match.
I can confirm that. Been around for 5 years since it's Beta and there were so many that changes throughout the years that modern day Paladins is different from how I knew it and there's a constant cycle of it getting very frustrating to pretty fun at times.
@@nekowatt2402 ditto!
What is the worst case of pay to win that you've encountered in a game?
Battlefront 2, but since DICE took over from EA, it got way better and less pay to win.
Basically all mobile games
@@sabotajxd agreed
@@Erg0tt I definitely agree but luckily now a days it’s a fun and one of my favorite games
Roblox because everyone wants robux XD
"The update that destroyed Paladins" Oh you mean every update?
"Almost destroyed."
Hahah this got me
This whole system of p2w is basically Clash Royale and other "competitive" mobile games in a nutshell.
Yep but that was 2 years ago now paladins removed that system
Why put competitive in quotes?
@@mosorireayewale2820 because they are not competitive games when it is so p2w and/or progress-faster heavy. Games like CR and paladins back then could only be competitive when both players have same level cards (and king tower level in Clash Royale).
Brawl stars's system is actually not that impactful because of more or less fair matchmaking
This system was a fixed and less p2w version of old lol runes
Basically they took the lol runes and made It works only for casual play, while in ranked you got everything unlocked
7:01 Lol, that Inara wall drawing is actually a spray in the game now.
"Battlefront 2 loot boxes" OI OI OI, they no longer have those. The lootboxes arent even that anymore, just a means to collect your rewards as in you finish a mission to get a weapon, the crate is where you receive that weapon.
Shame Battlefront 2 had its plug pulled
For real, the game was at a new high since its release idfk why EA stopped the updates
i was kinda irked when they name dropped bfii twice without any footnote saying this was done away with like a month or two after launch
it had a very good run though i truly hope they consider a bfiii
@@wilsonlane9929 Because EA released a celebration package which gets rid of the ability to buy crystals (and credits too), while straight up unlocking EVERY content in the game save for those locked behind challenges.
If that doesn't scream desperation in squeezing every single pennies out from its player base, then I would legally be a vegetable. While it is a good gesture, and don't get me wrong I really liked this package... but them doing this basically just shot BF2's only means of having continued support. Its really hard to justify continued development when you aren't making a penny from said development. Only way they could kept BF2 going at that point was to reintroduce crystals (which could potentially get EA in trouble for false advertisement, and I doubt they'd want yet ANOTHER bad press in this game), or to break their promise and sell DLC. Its understandable why they'd cut support at that point. If EA wanted to keep development up, it'd make more sense to make BF3 than to keep working on stuff in BF2 where there was no more means of a profit.
Tl;Dr, hope they'd make a BF3, and that they have the same design business model of BF2 before its inevitable demise.
This game will never come close to overwatch but it is a fun little game.
@Ali Hadi Babar no.
Agreed
I actually left OW for it. The card/talent system is really good, it allows for a lot of variety. And as a support main, I have to say that supports in Paladins are way more fun than they are in OW.
My only problem with Paladins is that the community kind of sucks. But I guess that's a problem with pretty much any online game (and even more with F2P ones).
@@rodrigolealmartir5902 paladins is so GARBAGE. And boring and so casual compared to the real skill of overwatch. There’s a reason overwatch won game of the year only after being released for about 2 months. Paladins is decent....with friends.
@@VincentVincent_89 To each their own I guess. I play Paladins alone all the time. I even left it for a few months and came back because I missed it.
When I left OW, I never looked back. Now I only play it if my friends do, which hasn't happened in around a year or so. They all moved on to different games.
Honestly I’m happy that OB64 happened b/c the new card system is so good. Also, it was smite executives that had to come over and actually listened to Devs before it was abolished
also the sprays, that inara spray kills me
Don’t forget about Classy Barik
It would be nice to see you cover this game as one of your small esports/competitive games videos. Hearing about the monetization is cool I guess, but I know this had a scene that grew and shrank pretty rapidly and I'd like to see you cover that.
It's old news monetization too btw. Like, they removed that shit barely a month after it's release.
Please, dude. Play Paladins and give this game place in your heart. Don't let them die... Not yet, amigo!
1:46 Akshon asking if we ever played TF2 or OW like no I just watch your in-depth game analysis videos because I just think they're neat XD
be glad this game changed from that route of horrors it used to be back in 2017, when ob64 was removed it definitely became great again, and even then to this day I still enjoy it despite the flaws.
All theses videos are super interesting! Thanks Akshon Esports for the great content as always 👍🏻
idk why Akshon decided to use this topic for talking about paladins, which further ruins is reputation, but it's honestly not a bad game. Everything talked about in this video is really old and what it is right now is monumentally different. i stopped playing myself when this update came out but i lately got back into it and its definitely worth a go, i just wish people would bring the good side to light instead of the trash highlighted in this video
Yeah man, why always shit on paladins. I know things are unpolished as overwatch but paladins made me tilt only 1 in 20 matches while overwatch 17 in 20 matches (mostly due to the "press q to win" shit). The tilt theory favors paladins.
Wolfman its genuinely i fun game as well, and im also gonna argue its more well-balanced because of the itemization, need to destroy shields? wrecker. being stunned a lot? resilience. need to reduce their healing? cauterize. not to mention the several loadout combinations and many more champs offering much more variation for customization. also the hp pools are much bigger, which means the gameplay is longer and dragged out, unlike a certain game i know, and here's the kicker, there's new content every other month. something overwatch is deprived of
Wolfman you can't be one tapped every fucking game by some cowboy across the map in paladins
Guys, write about how often cute’n cuddly chest out of shop
Wasn’t around when cards unbound and OB64 were around, but I know that now the game is much better. No P2W mechanics whatsoever, and the game feels pretty good to play. Bad matchmaking (likely as a result of a small player base) and the occasional bug do mar the experience a little, but the game is still in a pretty good state.
Played Overwatch a few years back and I could never get into it. I always found the characters too boring. Paladins with the card and talent system can really change how each character feels and make each game feel fresh. No disrespect to overwatch players, I can see the appeal and you can play whatever you want, but don’t take this video and assume that that’s what Paladins is like today, because it’s probably a lot better than many have led you to believe.
Matchmaking is generally ok at least for ranked. In casual it can be quite scuffed. But Matchmaking seeming bad is often amplified by one or 2 bad picks. Like imagine if a platinum player plays Jenos against a team of diamonds it will probs be fine. But if a plat player plays evie against a team of diamonds your probs not gonna do well.
you cant say a game feels good to play when the servers have been on fire for the better part of 3 months
@@Lumpz4k the champion that server lag feels worst on is Maeve. Anf even with her she's still perfectly playable
@@burni988 im sorry have you ever met bk. The reason maeve feels fine is because she isnt the worst to play with while having server/lag issues. Pretty much every blaster feels worse than maeve/projectile characters on lag. And bk is the worst of both worlds.
@@Lumpz4k evie feels fine to me and so does willo. No one complains about drog. Admittedly i don't play much bk but is that the only champion example?
The majority of the characters feel fine so it just feels like exaggerating. At least EU is fine
Having the main menu music playing in the background at the beginning of the video was almost like PTSD from when I open the game while I do something else and the music starts playing as if saying "I'm here... come play..."
2 traits Hi-Rez is best at: being quick to follow the latest trend, and always managing to screw it up
I remember playing this game quite often when it came out on Switch, and this whole controversy I believe was well before the Switch version was available so I never experienced this, but with the common glitches this game still gets and with Overwatch now available on Switch, it's been hard to go back and recommend this game.
I for one stopped playing when they removed 3rd person option.
Oh well payload is gonna be back and theres a free way to earn 450 crystals and skins
Ironically, the update also sorta saved paladins too. After they got ride of Cards Unbound, they just made every card free to get unlike how it was previously where you had to use essence to purchase a card (or get it from a chest)
The PTS version of this update was so much fun tho, a giga sandbox where everything is beyond broken, bomb king with 225% bonus range, lex right click doing 90% of the ennemy's total health, damba and cassie dealing 1500 across the map less than every second, and a bunch of other things I can't remember
I wish Paladins was big enough so it would have a way to play older versions for fun
I remember me and my friends we're really into paladins until the cards update. We switched over to overwatch because of it and never came back.
But the game is actually fun now. Developers are listening to community feedback and are doing their best to make the game better
HiRez has sadly shifted a ton of resources away to work on Rogue Company :(
@Ali Hadi Babar I wouldn't. While paladins is not as polished as overwatch, gameplay wise it is way more fun. I played overwatch and droped it but i still play paladins
@Ali Hadi Babar I don't really see anything wierd about liking 1 game over the other. To me it seems pretty wierd that you see me as a "fanboy" because of that
I have many reasons why I feel paladins is more fun than overwatch. But they're pretty much all preference
Still kinda buggy. Was fun though
This Video makes it Seam like Paladins is dead but it isn't it has a mostly very nice Community and is now one of the best Multiplayer Games Out there.
They need to let the public know that this is completely different now. I would have stopped playing back then and would never play again. I’m glad I joined right after that.
Thank you so much for making a video on paladins, the game is really under the radar these days and has such huge potential that goes unseen
Enter Erez Goren, one of the founders of Hi-Rez and most likely responsible for the Essence System, Cards Unbound and those stupid changes on Realm Royale which led to it's death. He single-handedly tarnished the company's name, so much so that the company forcefully kicked him out. You know this guy is so bad when a founder gets kicked out of his own company. All Hi-Rez games communities rejoiced when this guy was out of the picture.
SMITE was (and still is) hirez’s money maker and multiple times had controversies which could, to my understanding, be traced back to him and his bad leadership and management. Thank god he’s gone.
0:23 what happened to his glasses?
lmao
The sign of a true MLG pro gamer
they're clipping through his skin
probably 3D bug
LOD set too low
the funny part is them adding the caricatures in as sprays later on
Been playing since beta and yeah
2017 was not a year I played Paladins in at all, but since then I have gone back to it and have been mostly enjoying my time with it
I started playing this game waaaay after this debacle happened. I never knew about this.
I played when It after a year when KO ga was new..I joined August 2018.
AKSHON ESPORTS SPEAKING ABOUT PALADINS BOY I NEVER CLICKED SO FKING FAST ON A VIDEO
I didn't know they even went back. We stopped playing at the cards unbound stage and never went back
you'd be surprised to see how now theres is zero pay2 win in this game now. its totally become skill based. i came to paladins after the removal of ob64 and stuck with it ever since. i suggest giving it a try cuz its really damn fun after all these years.
I never expected Maplestory to make it into an Akshon video. Surprising but very welcome.
Honestly like this channel's content especially the melee one but this video is pushing away potential new players to a pretty good game that has had it's fair share of the lion's mockery. I play a lot of fps games like Dirty Bomb, Titanfall 2, TF2, and Overwatch, and Paladins, while personally not my favorite, is still a competent game in the oversaturated fps genre. Currently Paladins is probably the most balanced its ever been and, with speculation and leaks of payload returning, it's fully ripe of potential.
The thing is Hi-Rez has little influence in this game anymore, only acting as the game's publisher as the original development team had split off to create its own studio (Evil Mojo) and they're constantly providing good content and listening to community feedback.
Balanced you say?
Well that explains why some flankers can melt down a tank better than a character that has the role of a DPS
^^^honestly this
I love the channels content but this video ain't it esp essentially calling the game "dead" when it's still going strong lol
@@franz2989 Not really? Frontlines are still good and double tank comps are as viable as triple dps or double support. It's just that some of the dps champions are overtuned and their respective counters need to be buffed, instead of nerfing said dps characters to oblivion (except Vivian, she can die).
Flanks are balanced right now. Nerfing them anymore would completely kill them. Maybe some nerfs to cards of specific flanks, but not nerfs to base kit really.
There are still a lot of good tanks in the meta. All tanks except Makoa are competitively viable, and a lot of them still being banned in the comp scene like Atlas, Ash, Raum and Ruckus. Hell TORVALD has a 70% winrate in the pro scene because of how well he performs with the current "pocket the dps" meta. While Season 2 tanks were very fun, they were just dps champions with bloated balls of hp. Season 2 tanks, along with 90% caut, would kill so quick that the entire flank class was made obsolete except Maeve and Evie who had exceptional mobility and poke. I'd much rather this current meta with a couple balance changes than Season 2 with literally the same triple tank comp.
@@matthewjared8303 I'm goint to be honest with you, I just barely read but I think I understand what you mean.
But I don't say that they should nerf to much the flank champs but you see, I'm talking about talus and skye, I just don't like using raum to create some distraction on the enemies backline and out nowhere die to talus rapid fire or skye's poison talent, I do understand that alone you are not going to survive but you get my point right?
And I couldn't agree more about Vivian, she needs to be nerfed until she becomes unplayable of how bad she is
@@franz2989 you don't have a point about Skye. Competitive Games are balanced from the top down and skye is only ever picked in the ppc for pirate ship comps.
She Can't flank cause her one survivability option (invis) is completely countered by a single cheap item).
Damage has been done but we're long past since the patch that shall never be named, right now Paladins is the most balanced as it is (except every new champions that get released).
Also its topping 10k players everyday in steam.
What if they did a Paladins x Rogue Company / Smite crossover event?
Tib wasn't op at launch. Barely been changed since and he was most recent aside from corv.
Vora probs won't be op either.
@Makoa The Ancient when tiberius first came out he was bugged for 2 whole months when he was with that habilitie he shoots faster he was imune which. Wasnt supposed to happen he is now fixes
Honestly I haven't played much since they got rid of log in bonuses and the option to switch between 1st or 3rd person POV it made the game unique and interesting really wish they would bring it back! 🤦♂️
0:23 his glasses are going clipping through his model
"Could Paladins have held on"? Is it not still going? I don't know as I moved away from it myself. Personally I think is one of the best hero shooters on the market but I moved away due to unbowned and came back only to move away again once I would spend upwards in 20 minutes or more searching for matches in rank just to have someone not select their hero and have to do it again.
I loved the card system they had where everything was unlocked to everyone. I guess that was after unbowned. I was never a fan of having to play to gain in-game currency to unlock cards when people had been playing longer and already had them. Unbowned made that unbearable so I was happy with what they did after.
Another huge gripe was only one møde being played in competitive. Why? That's boring when I know you have other modes. Frustrating. But I love their heroes, and their categorization of different roles meant people don't just funnel into a line and get gunned down like in overwatch. People actually use tactics in Paladins and strategy.
I would love to play it more but I love ranked play and I don't love que times. Honestly que times were bad in casual, too. But that's just ps4. I can't speak for the rest.
I'm not happy with how hi-rez does a lot of things. How are you going to make a Smite adjacent tactics game and then not support it whatsoever? Or say you're going to make a paladins moba and instead make a generic one? Blegh.
Its still going strong, the newest update is good, also the update that was talked about in this vid was rolled back 2 weeks after it was released.
They still put good effort on this game tbh
@@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034 the unbowned update? Took longer to undo than 2 weeks.
Lmao ow has like billion times more tactics. Thats why ow League was a big deal. It was fun watching all these strategies, while in paladins taht cant be done
@@morgle3948 bro OW is going down hill with how bad they are messing with the game like where's overwatch 2? I get the great C happened but wasn't't it near end of development when we saw it? And what's with all the nerfing of characters? Like a character gets nerfed once then they get nerfed 12 more times before blizzard stops and gives them a barely functional buff.
There was a reason I forgot about this game....
OB 64 was two years ago and was reverted.
@@saquial the damage has already been done
@@sushio4357 The damage has already been forgotten, now's just a meme. I guess you don't play, right? ("used to play" doesn't work)
i also left the frickin bugs
😭😭😭😭
The positive of ob64 was that some of the mock pictures got added as sprays to the game. Wallnara, Gurk, and sexy barik are the best sprays in the game, and you can't change my mind.
It’s absurd that game designers never learn from past games’ errors. I worked with designers who seemed to have played a bunch of triple As only. And this is the result.
This video seems really weird to me... this was 3 years ago why talk about it now? It was literally in there for a month... also what’s with all the really old footage in the video?
Nostalgia for vets but also its fair game to do videos on gaming history for those who weren't around then
@@adcrengar9877 no one wants nostalgia for cards unbound.
@@ramp8536 I feel bad for the beginners, drove them away as fast as Mark 51 in fortnite before they vaulted it-
Because none cares about the game
@@ghoulbuster1 this is objectively false
Hi-Rez the studio that makes decent games at launch and always ruins them or do nothing with them.
OB 64 was two years ago and was reverted.
if u really play this game , then u wouldn't said that
0:23 where did his glasses go lmao
I really like your content! Keep it up
I think paladins is a great games but recently it seems like they just want to make money they come out with so many skins for the same characters and don’t really fix the game it’s self there are lots of bugs and in game balancing needed
Why make a video on old news?
OB64... I still get chills thinking about those 4 letters
Imagine not knowing how to patch bugs so you just completely remove the fundamental element and replace what you removed with an in app purchase
Paladins is a pretty sad case because the game is genuinely fun but has been sabotaged by horrible management and corporate greed. I play it occasionally because the game play is fun but it could've been so much more than it is. Having a functioning game would've been a good start, I'm looking at you endless loading vendors screen.
Tip. Try to delete your friend list. Often a huge list screws up the loading since the game will check if anyone from your list is online no matter which console they're in. I recommend get it below 20.
@@mewletter as if I would add anybody who plays paladins
Don't appreciate how this video implies Paladins is completely dead now. It might not have the same amount of players or as constant updates as it used to, but it's far from dead.
Either way, a decent video going over Cards Unbound, though I have to question the choice for releasing a video on this topic now of all times, when Cards Unbound was removed almost 3 years ago.
he releases videos about previous events all the time, sort of like mini-documentaries. He also never implied paladins is dead he said that it took a massive hit, that might have been the difference between it and it's competition.
@@boluporter1529 The thumbnail has a tombstone and points to Paladins having died, while later in the video, he says "...it was too little too late." and also "Could Paladins have held on a little bit longer if its free-to-play rollout hadn't come with so much controversy?" implying the game died soon after Cards Unbound was removed.
@@past874 bro. they said "could paladins have hold on" like, really? you know its not dead right? you find a match in less than a minute. also WHY 3 YEARS OLD FOOTAGE
The game is at this end now. It ain't getting revived and most of the problems will get worse from now on. Such as Matchamaking and content. They already pushed out most of the resources to their new games . It takes 4 months to add new contents. Face it. Your favorite game is dead
@@frogboi8579 I'm the one arguing it's not dead though? Unless you responded to the wrong person?
6:19 I thought he was gonna do the math and it caught me off-guard
I still remember it. Paladins was the most fun game i've ever played in my entire life watching turn from fun game to stupid product to feed greedy managers upsets me
i met so many pepole in the eary days of the game. they all left bcs those stupid patches the game had. im in that small group of ppl who remmber the golden age of palaidns...most pepole dont even know how many things got nerf or removed from the game
You don't play this Game, what is the reason you made this video?
So he can reignite the old controversy and confuse other people I guess
Cause they can?
OB 64 was a mess, but the problem with this video is that it implies that Paladins is dead by using a lot of old footage, the way the video concludes, etc. The video doesn't mention that the card crafting system was completely removed and all cards became available again as a balanced loadout system, for example, it displays the actual system for some seconds but ignores it.
love your vids man
Thank you!
4:48 It was even worse, cards had helf of the effect per level they have today and would go up to level 10.
SO to sum up this thing: They took hero shooter and clash royale and made an abomination.
Yeah and its a good thing they reverted the old system
Please make a video on Smite since you're already talking abouy HiRez
i have no idea about the past. I play paladins for a year now and i love it!
This game was very fun to play.
I left and never came back after the unmentionable patch though.
Dam I'm early as hell, great vid
dude this was so long ago already,feels like you guys are just beating a dead horse here
Every day this kind of video about paladins on youtube
Their laggy server still a problem tho🤦🏻♂️
I’m cool with y’all making videos about Hi-Rez making mistakes and all but like, can we get a video that ain’t based on info from 2+ years ago? Like, go find out who over at Hi-Rez/Titan Forge has an in with Nickelodeon to explain how we got ATLA and TMNT battle passes back to back. Or how NRG was the best Smite team ever for two years straight. Or how SK went from 7th in regular season to World Champs
Nobody cares tho the only mildly interesting things are the cross overs they do with RWBY, Avatar etc
@@silvafangtv i mean, i guess you dont care. I just want some smite esports content from Askshon Esports
I love this video and it's really interesting but just as the removal of cards unbound was "little to late" your video was years late too.
I know the main focus of the video was to show how a pay-to-win mechanic affects gameplay and it's unfairness but at the same time it feels like you're actively trying to push the game down and discourage new players too by saying if the game could still "survive" if it didn't implement the PTW mechanic. I don't agree with most of the decisions Hi-Rez makes (especially this one lol) because their intentions are clear to make money, but the game is still going strong with a new update + new champion (hero) in a week or two away and it's really fun.
If there's one thing I want your channel to take away from this is to watch the tone of your videos. I know your intention wasn't to make paladins players and new players feel like this but as a player of both Paladins and Overwatch it does really feel that way.
Yep I was there sadly and made me quit for over a year.
I was a fan of OW and Paladins.
My only exposure to this game has been this video, and I must say the card system already looks *very* compelling. The fact that they screwed it up this badly is tragic
Ob 64 did a big damage on the game, but i think what does more damage is bugs, lags and that devs absolutely ignore comunity and their sugestions on how to fix it
amazing video
Thanks!
I played this game everyday whit my friends. When that patch dropped we just left. It was super unfair. The game was super fun, we grinded a lot in ranked and had a lot of fun in normals. But that killed it for us. Las year I still came back to play it for a while but my friends didn't come along. It's still a very fun game. Sad what happen with that patch
omg i remember buying the cards, and you can only level it up by rolling the same thing
For those wondering if paladins is still alive and playable. You find a game in less than a minute, with updates every 3 months, crosplay with all 4 platforms and with much less bugs than before (at least there are no more game destroying bugs nowdays). Also if you are an old player, they confirmed payload mode will be back.
So yes, a think paladins best state is right now
is it a coincidence that this vid has exactly 64 dislikes
i remembered the time where the community became one and was able to reach out to the developers