Anti-healing is to keep healers in check. Each weapon shot applies it for 1.5 seconds. Early game, healers can get away with ignoring it, but later they will have to wait for them to cleanse it or they will just waste the cooldown. It used to be an item called Cauterize, so if you see someone mention Caut/Cauterize, that is what they are talking about. Sadly a lot of people don't cleanse it by hiding behind a wall/shield.
@@lmayo870 cleansing in this context means to cleanse the anti-healing effect. To do this you have to avoid weapon damage for 1.5 seconds. Then no anti-healing applies until you get shot again. A good support and tank will work on this together, the tanks drops a shield or gets behind cover, the support waits with his ability until the anti-heal effect is cleansed.
@@delete26em so correct me if I'm wrong, but if you get shot the anti healing does not apply? But if you avoid damage for 1.5 seconds it does? I'm still kinda confused
@@lmayo870 Caut applies only if you're taking damage and 1.5 sec after that. Then the debuff is cleansed and you receive full heal again. So you'll have to play smart
@@lmayo870 Basically you take weapon damage anti healing (caut) gets applied for 1.5 seconds. The anti healing will be cleansed after the 1.5 seconds unless you take more weapon damage which restart the 1.5 second timer.
In regards to the "not being able to switch champions" part In Paladins matchups have a lot more to do with planning than the actual champion you are playing, that is done through the talents/decks you use and itens you buy, it's really similar to league in a way. for example: If I'm playing Maeve against a team with a lot of projectile champions, I pick my move speed deck to be harder to hit; If I'm playing against a lot of hitscan champions I use my resistance deck so I don't get as easily melted. I like this system a lot because it allows you to main a particular character and have the option to adapt to a bad matchup instead of having to play rock paper scissors with your characters like in Overwatch (I really love both games, I just prefer being able to one trick and happen to like card games too)
interesting point of view, one tricking a character and building around them is a cool idea but its just not for me. I respect the opinion but i wanna learn multiple different characters and how they would apply in certain situations as this increases my overall knowledge, very insightful comment nonetheless though
@@lmayo870 I'm the same in wanting to master all but if you just decided to play a character that is countered by the enemy you have a way you can try to survive there still will be overpowered characters and metals like overwatch but if you really like a character that isn't currently good in overwatch you can easily be bullied into playing a meta or counter that you don't like or not good at that's my thoughts on it.
@@lmayo870 using one character for a match isn't one tricking , plus it forces you to adapt and play as a team, the better team always wins in both games I prefer this than an entire team switching just to counter over n over it gets boring after a while cause I'm not getting to play the person I wanna practice with cause there's an direct counter on the other team making the experience not fun
You actually One Trick more in Overwatch. If you’re using different decks for one character it doesn’t mean you’re a one trick because you have different decks set up for that character. Overwatch, their system is based on you full on knowing and utilizing their kits. They’re more one tricks, as they don’t really have to adapt their play style much or even have to change it up at all. Only way to one trick in Paladins is if you genuinely just play on one character.
I understand your opinion. I love this game, but I also hate it sometimes, with the bugs, bad matchmaking, hackers, toxicity, afks, and bugs it has. It has a lot of potential, but Hi-rez just won't support anything that isn't Smite.
20:34 Fun fact: A lot of players especially on PC hated that change, which is why Hi-Rez added a legacy option in the game settings. Which allow it to be more user friendly, and give access to a few extra voice lines like "VVP = Please, VVGN = Nice Job, etc."
I get why people think it's an Overwatch clone a little bit, but honestly the only similarities are that they are both team/objective based shooters with different characters of class types instead of one character that you select the class of. Paladins was in alpha testing before Overwatch was announced, but has gone through SO many changes since then. I've played both games a lot ,and I prefer Paladins based on diversity alone due to talents and loadouts. I also like how you can't just keep switching characters to counter everything constantly. (Unless you're Zhin, Zhin can counter ults) Edit for misunderstandings: I'm not saying either is a copy of the other, just that calling Paladins a copy is not correct because it was first. They are their own things with similar inspiration. It's not that deep.
i respect your opinion, but me personally i prefer swapping characters to counter cause it forces you to be better at multiple characters not just one. But i also understand the appeal of the different playstyles you can create from builds
@@lmayo870 I understand the preference for swapping but I think locking you to your choice is better because you can be great at one character but it's easy for your opponents to know that character to figure out counters. The different builds help mitigate against easy counters but knowing what your opponents can do and adapting to how is just as important as what you can. I think you would have liked the game a bit more if you played sooner cause they made some changes I don't enjoy too much. I do prefer longer kill time and I enjoy playing support in games and I feel like supports have a bigger impact in Paladins. Flanks are my least played class but my second best character is a flank. If you can find one that you vibe with they can be great but I usually don't use them. I attribute most of your issues to not knowing the game and some exceptionally bad teammates. If I had a chance I would have liked to try to help you, teaching new players is really rewarding for me and the anti-healing change actually made me stop playing for like a month while I processed how much it lowered my enjoyment.
changing champions to counter the enemy team would lead to making some items you buy less valuable, lets say you are playing barik and you buy chronos (an item that decreases all your cooldowns by 10%) and then you switch to fernando since your shield is getting broken too much and you need it to protect yourself. Fernando gets much less value from chronos because his shield is based on a resource that doesn't get affected by the item. Congratulations you just wasted 300 credits because you wanted to play fernando and now the enemy chose to play a flying damage champ and you still got a problem. You build your team based on what you are missing, not because of the counter play, that's why it takes so long to play ranked, something you shouldn't even be doing if you don't even have half the roster. And also, if you are looking down so much you can buy resilience since it makes crowd control less effective and makes it end sooner. Also paladins lets you play many other champions thanks to rotation where you can play a match with a champion you don't have. I agree that to a new player this game is confusing with all the loadouts and talents that you can choose, but that's merely for the reason to let you play you favorite champions in multiple ways, and if you don't like that, you can just play them how you want. I can't reccomend you enough to watch AndrewChicken and the tutorials he made about the mechanics of this game, they are even featured on the game's website, please check them out!
@Lmayo if you wanna be able to pick counters for the enemy team, play ranked. Also ranked is much better in general, as you get teammates that communicate and usually have the players actually play for the team.
@@dragonhunter2343 the constant changes to time-to-kill is kind of what alienated me from the game. when i started playing back in open beta, i really enjoyed that you could survive some solid hits, and later down the line, that talents and cards gave so much strategic depth to the game. i have good positioning and a good sense for builds, but my reaction speed and poor aim just make it impossible to keep up now that I can be so easily burst down. ironically what im missing in overwatch is sort of the same thing, as it feels like poor aim trumps any amount of good game sense.
Keep in mind that about 50 people keep this game under development. Which should be about 20-30% of overwatch's team size, depending on which year we are talking about.
Indeed, theres legit only one person working on maps 🤨 This game would be better with more resources but Hi-rez doesnt really care about any of its games only Smite
This game was originally going to be a completely different genre, but they changed it to this taking inspiration from TF2. The cards and talent used to be collected from chests similar to how TF2 has weapons you could get. It ended up being P2W. Also, the tutorial is terrible. The devs made a guide for new players outside of the game, but its not the best and was described as a fast solution. Hi-Rez never put that much money into this game.
@@lmayo870h the devs dont get to choose where money goes. Hirez is like ill take that gain and we will use it on another project sadly. Hirez is the main company evil mojo falls under hirez.
@@lmayo870 Hi-rez is hated because they let every game die except Smite. Divine Knockout, their newest game, will most likely be left to die in the future. The devs are good though.
anti heal is a great tool in the game cause in late will NOT make healing useless. In fact it makes it stronger, you have to time your heals right to hit your teammates when they are off the anti heal (you can know that by thr color of their healthbar). It gives a massive skill floor to healers, rewarding good players and punishing healbot whitout thinking
@@TamWam_ not at all. Its only recently coming outta the shadows because ow2 is finally being given up on and big content creators r looking for a new game
I totally agree with all your points. I was a big time Paladins player. Started in the beta. The game has gone through many and many permutiations of itself. If you look at content from random years of paladins good chance you see a totally different gameplay. Even in some core mechanics like the card loadouts and cards in general (OB64 was a notorious low point). They kept evolving the gameplay but never got the possibility to properly polish and remove bugs from the game. To this day this makes me incredibly mad because I saw this game I loved, in which I saw a lot of potential just die over the years. I used to play overwatch in parallel with this and fierciley defended it for years until it just became pointless because corporate greed at hi-rez kept pushing to just add more content and more micro-transactions.
In my spare time I'll look over the different stages of paladins cause now I'm curious, but the game must've done something right throughout those updates for it to afford the changes right?
@@lmayo870 In my case it was hope that they would actually keep promises and work on the technical issues the game has. But rumors are that Hi-Rez never intended to invest more in Paladins (Despite lots of people still playing it for the potential) and just started to work on the next project (that died even before getting launched). Very big missed opportunity because with proper support they would have actually had a very good long lasting game on their hands with Paladins. And if you wanna laugh even harder just google Paladins esports and how THAT shit show went down.
@@lmayo870 Hi-Rez is just simply known for leaving titles fairly quickly, and thus their games always seem a bit unpolished. Smite did well, and over the years they were simply forced to polish the game, even tho it's not perfectly done even now, but it does feel much better and you see improvement over the years imo. Paladins in the beta was fun and had it's quirks that brought people to the game and it kind of grew for a while, it did good at first I believe, but I guess not as well as Hi-Rez hoped for it to do? Paladins got less love from Hi-Rez as the time went by, and the only thing keeping it going is really the playerbase, as Hi-Rez probably cares very little if at all.
They’ve actually been updating the game quite frequently and been doing fairly good with it. If anything, I’d say when this video released is when they started to put more into the game. As a Overwatch person, that’s what I mostly played. I can most definitely say, from the outside view…this game is simply better. The only thing is lacks is mechanics, but that’s about it. Which overall, even then they aren’t that bad. Right now a lot of newer people are joining the game, so there has been a large learning curve for a lot of people.
I quit for quite a long while, well over a year, and recently came back. It's still got bugs, but paladins is doing the best it's done in a while. The playerbase is high too. Even right now at 10:30pm it has 10k active players on steam alone, always being between 8k to 10k players daily, and peaking at 12k to 17k players every month of 2023. They're finally listening, at least a bit
i have 3473 hours on paladins also my account is maxed lvl 999 and i love this game so much i will just say that paladins is the superior game all it needs is just some polish and bug fixes and it would be so much better. you can customize your playstyle to whatever you want imagine a flanking sniper or a tanking flanker and the item shop in a match helps out and so no 2 games will ever be exactly the same even tho you might have the same comp on the opposing team. i played ow2 since it released until now and i can freely say even tho paladins player argue that the game is very out of balanced i beg to differ i'd say paladins is way more balanced then ow2. like come on makoa doesnt hook you when your 10 miles away but roadhog does ... hmmm ... in paladins even tho its a team game and its not reliant on teammates like ow2 in ow2 if your healers dont heal you then your basically dead unless you find a healthpack but in paladins you have out of combat healing to heal you back to full hp and you even have item shop stuff to help you with it. even when it comes to prices or cosmetics etc. its 10x cheaper then ow2 and the skins in paladins is so much more amazing i look at the skins in ow2 most of them look like a recolor of the original outfit even the legendaries only a few look unique but paladins skins have amazing fx and details to them like they look very eye catching. (can watch DaddyMouse videos for skins he rates paladins skins if they are worth for purchase or not) Overall i'd say paladins is better if only it were polished, get bug fixes and if they brought back the old game modes and made it in to arcade mode like ow2.
I appreciate your opinion on overwatch, and I agree that overwatch is not balanced in the slightest. I also agree with the skins in paladins being "better", in a way that some skins alter the way certain voice lines are delivered, being a very nice touch. With enough polish and more care from hi rez, paladins definitely has the potential to become a better game than overwatch. I really like the way this comment was delivered and it really made me think, thanks for the insight homie
@@lmayo870 glad I could chime in on the discussion >< paladins has always been close to my heart and I haven't rly fallen for a game the same way I did for paladins thx for trying the game out :D
@@lmayo870 oh right another thing :o ... i agree the voice command wheel is shit its a "newer version" we older players use the "legacy version" which is actually alot easier to use and the wheel doesnt cover up half your screen xD you can change that in the settings you go to Settings -> Gameplay -> VGS Input Type (Third One from the top) then keep clicking the Arrow till you get LEGACY (DEPRECATED) this is alot easier to use then the annoying ass wheel hope it helps ^^
The flank role experience is tuff I tell you. As i main this role I had to get stomped so many times before figuring out how to play it semi-decently. If i were to describe what flanks are, it would be squishier damage dealers that trade their HP for mobility, allowing them to take alternate routes on the map in order to diatract or pick off support players. While im completely bias here, I found Maeve (the pink haired girl with the knifes) to be the most fun champion in the game. Still, i wouldnt recommend playing flank if youve just started playing the game, playing damage first would be a lot more optimal. Awesome video overall, wish both Paladins and Overwatch were better games and better organized but what can you do.
Yeah I was thinking that flank in paladins is similar to spy in tf2. Where you need to know the flank routes in each map and take advantage of said routes, that sorta thing
Dude I stomped as flank for like 15 months straight, frequently getting godlike or higher kill streaks and top dmg/elims. I then took a pause from the game for 3 months and a pause from flanks for about 6. I never had fun as that role again. During my pause there were a lot of changes and flank counters introduced and I just didnt want to learn the new playstile. I picked dueling flanks that can outplay like vora, koga, maeve or evie but it just wasnt the same after the caut changes because it completely broke lifesteal and kill to heal, completely obliterating my playstyle.
I'm a terrible player and still my most played character is Evie prob (even got her announcer pack with free crystals) I have stalled the objective a bunch before. It's fun annoying the enemy. It's not fun fighting evies. And it's not fun when an evie solos you're entire team and never misses a shot.
@@lmayo870 i don't even necessarily think it's that, it's more so that the base mechanics of flanks are so much more complicated than the rest of the cast, especially when it comes to cards. having a good card build on a character like Buck or Evie can absolutely make or break how good your match is, regardless of skill level. The skill floor is just too high for most people to get into and the skill ceiling is so high that the people who clear the skill floor make it intimidating for other players.
Loved the video man, personally play paladins and overwatch (although more paladins that overwatch since ow2). A couple of things i might be able to clear up around anti healing, it reduces healing for 1.5 seconds after you get shot so the way to counter it is to avoid being shot for 1.5s and then get healed, it used to be an item that most of your team would buy but with the old item system it was a choice between antihealing or increased damage to shields for each person on the team. It sort of exists to counter pocket playstyles and team comps like pirates (paladins version of GOATS sorta) and add a change of pace to each team fight as the game progresses. In terms of the amount of stuns that happens ALOT when you play a tank - I am a tank main so best i can recommend if you ever play the game again is max out a useful item called resilience as soon as you can! Definitely understand your criticisms of the game, wish hirez would fund it more so evil mojo could move it to a newer version of unreal and polish the design a bit. I can say that if you ever go into paladins again definitely do it with as many friends as want to join cause it makes the early learning stages of the game so much more bearable as u get into it. regardless the video was a very enjoyable watch!
Thanks for the insight on the anti healing in appreciate it, although I don't see myself playing the game in the future, I appreciate the tips for tank
yeah this is a good time to remind everyone that paladins play on UNREAL ENGINE 3! like in know that ow and paladins came out at the same time but ue3 was already outdated at that point
The fact that you liked Azaan made me laugh because on release he was the most broken tank, he was able to solo the entire team with little to no help from your teammates😭😂
Here's a deep-down explanation for Anti-heal: Anti-heal is one of the core mechanics of Paladins, formerly known as Cauterize or Caut. It exists to add depth to the game and create a metagame for healers. Anti-Heal starts low at first and gets higher as the match goes. How Anti-Heal works is that, when somebody shoots you, you get the status effect called "reduced healing" for whatever amount Anti-Heal currently is, for 1.5 seconds. You also apply the same effect to your opponents when you shoot them. For example, if Anti-Heal is 50%, and you get shot, if your healer heals you for 1000 hp, you'll only get healed for 500 hp if the "reduced healing" effect is active during the heal. Not getting shot again for 1.5 seconds (till the effect wears off) "cleanses" you and you'll be able to get full healing again. Healers in Paladins heal a lot more compared to the healers in Overwatch. They start out OP in early game because they can outheal almost anything, but in mid-game and late-game, you have to be a lot more careful and smart. In early game, big heal numbers are strong, but in late game, Anti-Heal goes all the way up to 90% which basically makes healing nonexistent, which makes Damage Reduction better in late-game (all healers except one have DR abilites) 90% seems OP, right? That basically erases healing from the game. But actually, the whole point of late-game is successfully managing to play around Anti-Heal, its what determines good players and bad players. Its what makes Paladins Paladins tbh. This mechanic adds a lot to the game. It adds more value, more skill, and more fun for a lot of gameplay mechanics. Shields, positioning, timings, and certain abilites all have new untraditional uses because of this. First off, there is more to healing then just your healer. Your teammates cant just run around mindlessly and wait for healing, they have to move properly in order to get heals. Your healer can play perfectly but if the person demanding for healing is constantly getting shot they'll get cauterized to constantly and your healer cant do anything to save you. Its not their fault at this point. So, there is as much thought and effort the person RECEIVING the heal has to put as the healer themselves, its a 50/50 team work. This makes it more satisfying to receive heals because YOU also played a role in that healing and not just got saved by the big mommy healer, but it can be a little annoying if YOU are THE HEALER and the teammates constantly take damage and flame you for not healing afterwards. Shields can "cleanse" your Cauterize. Almost the entirety of shields in Paladins are NOT meant to be used as actual shields, but a tool. If you deploy your shield, you wont get cauterized even if your shield gets shot. So, even if you are under heavy fire, opening your shield briefly for 1.5 seconds and cleansing Cauterize will enable your healer to heal you back up where without utilizing the shield, it wouldnt be possible because of Anti-Heal. Shields have super low hp compared to the Overwatch counterparts and wrecker exists, so you have to use them sparingly, primarily using them to counter Cauterize especially in late game. Heal timings and different types of heals also find different amounts of value depending on the Caut level and usage. For example, channel heals similar to Mercy's, are super strong in the early game as they can be used more freely, in any amount you please and much more frequently, where burst heals are stronger in the late game because with 90% caut you almost will never get a full 3 seconds of Uncauterized window to heal your teammate with hold-to-channel heals, you just wont have enough time. Rather, you'd just use burst heal abilites on them in the brief moment where there is no cauterize and heal them for the full amount. The power of burst healing. (Some healers have heal over time abilites and some have burst heals, former being stronger in early game and the latter being stronger in late game. Do note that its not a "tradeoff" by any means and they both can work flawlessly no matter the game stage, it all comes down to the player's skill.) This makes healing timings *super* important. If you're playing grover, if you carelessly pop the heal everytime, you'll heal during caut most of the time which will heal like 150 hp, but if you carefully watch your teammates healtbars and time your heals in the brief time windows where they dont have caut, you'll heal a massive 600 hp burst. You can even apply DR with Grover with the correct build. Abilities. Some abilites find value in that they counter cauterize really well. Skills that make you ethereal (like Grohk's ghost walk) are long enough that your caut will cleanse itself and your healer will have a big time window where you cant get damaged (cant get cauted) but can be healed. Grohk can put down totems and use ghost walk to heal himself to full, during 1v1s, even with 90% cauterize in play. And one final way to counter cauterize, is a shop item. Rejuvenate. It says "get 30% more healing from other plsyers" in its description, when most players read that, they think the effect procs after caut, so with 90% caut, you'd get 10% --> 13% healing, but no. You get 40% healing with 90% caut. That is a very considerable amount of healing for the late game. It makes heal-over-time heals more viable late game and gives more room for error for burst heals, because the entirety of your heal wont get butchered because you missed the heal by 0.003 seconds. All while making uncauterized heals even more stronger. Do note that the player RECEIVING the heal has to buy rejuvenate. Most of the time, only tanks buy it, except some special cases. Cauterize also pretty much buffs Flankers as the match progresses, where the big carries happen. Flankers can turn into literal killing machines as the problem of healers are gone. And one final thing that I should've said earlier, if your teammates' health bars are that yellowish green, they currently have Cauterize. If they have the normal blue health bar, they are clean.
the fact that you spent so much time writing this just for me to ignore it just cause of how long it is would be disrespectful lol, i highly highly appreciate it my guy i really do, but at this point i've read at least 20 comments explaining what cauterize does in 20 different ways. I appreciate that you went out of your way to do this, and it is beyond helpful. In the very far future where i'll try paladins again, this will be either the 1st or 2nd comment i'll look at to get a refresher on what cauterize does. Beyond insightful, i appreciate it
As a person who plays both games i find paladins infinitely more enjoyable in general for a number of reasons (The talent system being one of the biggest reasons) i really wish evil mojo had more funding from Hi-Rez, but unfortunately Hi-Rez Is the kind of company to pump out games and Forget about old(er) titles. Paladins has been stuck in Unreal 3 for years due to a lack of Funding, Also evil mojo doesn't want to overwork and underpay employees so there's less Devs by a mile than overwatch.. but honestly I think thats fair given the player count. I main Torvald in paladins and Lucio in overwatch and honestly i don't personally think tanks in overwatch are as fun as paladins tanks, i rather Play Nyx over ramattra. Also Good video btw, really Well put together
I can definitely see the appeal in the talent system and everything that i said was confusing in the beginning, experimenting with custom loadouts was a great piece of customization that overwatch doesn't have. Very insightful comment by the way, and im glad you enjoyed the video
@@lmayo870 Of course! By the way I can see where you're coming from with things being confusing at first, I started playing years ago so I've sort of Stored all the Intricacies of the game in the back of my mind so sometimes I forget how complicated it can definitely be 😅
@@SnappySneeple oh cool I got another veteran paladins player, people say that 2017 paladins was like the golden era and I want to know why, what made the game better back then compared to now?
@@lmayo870 Evil mojo had Loads more Funding so Content got made faster More people Played in general back then, Also the Champions released in 2017 and prior to 2017 are Fan favorites from experience. Paladins unfortunately has had to let go of most the devs from back then due to funding issues, A more recent notable Dev that got let go was thunderbrush (The previous art director) although that was for personal reasons
For the anti healing, the reason it was added as a passive is because it used to be an item you buy, but here is the thing, it was an absolute must have item, by making caut/anti healing passive, it is no longer an item in a shop, which opens more possibility to buy other items over the anti heal. Also If anti heal did not exist, then support would be absolute meta, there was already a sustain meta that was very annoying to face, so I am thankfull it exists.
Still wild to me people think paladins copied overwatch, paladins released before ow. A whole ass year before. Also both of them ‘copied’ tf2 simply based off of them being hero shooters with a payload
It made me sad to see that you weren't really enjoying it, but I understand. It's hard to get into it without someone to guide you, and that happened to me when I switched to OW2. I hated it because there were no damage numbers so I really didn't know if I was landing my shots or if the enemy had DR, and abilities are poorly explained while in Paladins damage values and crowd control effects are thoroughly described for most abilities. Now I play OW2 everyday but it took me a while to learn what to do and what to not do. I still prefer Paladins gameplay, mechanics and QoL features (like being able to see a feed of all the damage sources that hit you before dying, for when you say HOW TF DID I DIE), but the matchmaking is awful and has gotten worse.
ezzu (the guy i was playing with) has played paladins for a while and taught me some stuff off camera. Even then, i still didn't enjoy the game. I understand where you're coming from though, paladins does have some unique mechanics that have lots of potential
The damage feed has to one of the funnest parts of the game. It's generally pretty accurate but I still remember that one time I checked it after I died and it said I took 999 damage from Raum's cataclysm. There was no Raum on either team.
that's because the game used to tell the last 3 who you took dmg from. Now it's only two. So that raum dmg probably comes from your previous game. It's a known issue. Purely visual. @@tempest3052
I personally wrote the game off being an overwatch player till they announced the cancellation of pve and I admittedly got butthurt about it. But I’m now 100+ played already and must say I’m have more fun in ranked paladins then I’ve had in ranked OW since we got OW2
@@lmayo870 the issue is, there are active hours in certain regions and when there are less EU players, people hop on NA server(and wise versa). You guys probably got unlucky with active hours
The point of cauterize is to have game progression (applies for items too). It forces people to adapt playstyles when the game approaches endgame. As people stated in the comments cauterize / anti-heal gets applied when you are hit with weapon damage and it lasts for 1,5s. It used to be an item called cauterize, but it was so must have that the devs made it into a ramping passive effect instead so that you can have more item build variety as otherwise you'd basically be forced to buy cauterize and use up one item slot. Cauterize (as the item was called back then) / anti-heal gives the game progression where you need to adapt your gameplay the later you get into the match as anti-heal and items such as wrecker get stronger. This is a very old key design principle that the devs made back in the day that they want to have in the game. Combat gets more deadly as you can't actively be healed through it, but you have to not be hit to first drop cauterize in order to get healed. Alternatively you can buy items such as rejuvenate to mitigate cauterize. Same with shields in terms of wrecker. You will have less and less up time on shields as they get destroyed faster and faster due to increased shield damage from wrecker. These mechanics, however, were developed and designed SPECIFICALLY for siege, which is the main gamemode. This can lead to the other modes feeling chaotic, as you described in the video. Siege is the best gamemode by far imo and the rest is just filler for casual play to have fun in. Im a last split master player and always like to interact with people about the game as I feel like it is highly underrated as just an OW clone and people forget all the cool and unique things Paladins does. The added depth and complexity from talents, items, loadouts etc. has always been more intriguing to me compared to what OW has going for it, which is why I've always highly preferred paladins over OW. If you have any other questions about the game, feel free to hit me up! I'm called Darkonode in game.
Thanks for the extra insight on cauterize, and I agree with the fact on paladins being more unique than overwatch. Playing one character with no way to alter their gameplay while still being viable, is a feature that lacks in overwatch
First you have to customize your own loadouts. They make it better as you can fit stuff to your playstyle but there are some champions who only has some cards that are just overall better. Second, counters are base on items. If you getting CC, get resilience. If you are going against a lot of shields, Wrecker. Going against a lot deplorables, Bulldozer. If the champion name starts with an S, Illuminate. S for stealth.
i made a couple of my own loadouts (if i remember correctly they were for ruckus and tiberius), and i 100% get the appeal in creating your own deck and creating your own playstyle, also i think i understood the whole "counters are based on items" at like the last hours lol
@@lmayo870 it can take 40 hours or even 40 levels just to learn 1 champion because of the cards and items and so on. Some cards are better with some talents. So that's 16 cards and 3 talents. I played Yagorath the most and she isn't new player friendly at all. She is the most complex champion in the game. She is the kind of hero that is all about positioning or she was until they cut her form swap in half to 2 seconds. I go for more self sustain setups with self healing and cc reduction because it keep you in fight longer. on some damage reduction can also help. Items like resilience, haven, life rip are my go to but for support kill to heal can help because you can get an assist and it works. Wreckers and bulldozer are great for most but some champions reloads every shot 1 by 1 ,Betty and buck, or have a talent or reload ability that make deft hands better, pip and dredge.
@Joesieyu Seven is his actual name and VII is a code name which is like saying My name is Gee and My code name is G. My name is Cee and My code name is C. also noticed how Seris is the only one who can't be hit while stealth. oh and now Kasumi's doll must have a S name
Thing about cauterise is it either feels like absolute garbage or it feels intuitive, and it entirely depends on your teammates. Caut's supposed to incentivise your teammates to retreat if they need heals instead of just juggernauting and screaming at healers for not keeping them alive. The fact it lasts so short means its pretty easy for a tank to just breathe it off by holding up their shields, and flanks can just retreat and it wears off quite quick.
they both have their ups and downs, if paladins had the old paladins monetization but kept all the new characters it would be better. But I still prefer hi-rez as they don't openly admit to being anti-union and are actually good with their employee's (they don't skip out on cash and actually hire new people to pump out high quality content, which is very consistently good during year 10 of smite! They make alot of BIG changes to test the waters, after all it takes a big disruption to see where everything stands. If everything is balanced its way harder to make the meta items not super bad since you need to nerf them so other ones get spotlight time.)
im curious, what was the old monetization for paladins like? and what made them change to this newer style? honestly i think maybe 80% of video game companies treat their employees better than blizzard lol
@@lmayo870 I haven't checked the new one in awhile but the old one had barely any in-app purchases and most of it was from f2p lootboxes. And the best looking skins were from free events. Last time I checked the amount of skins were bloated and super pricy. Smite is the same but smites skins are way better looking imo because it changes all the effects and some skins change the animations as well and others might have unique emotes. One of the ones I use has a custom emote that lets you fly on a moon and change the skybox to be a more dark theme, this effect applies to ALL your teammates so they all see the skybox change which looks awesome. Keep up the good work tho, you make killer content and I hope you do well :)
In ranked there’s a draft system, so you can counterpick your opponent, that’s also why you can’t swap characters after locking them in. Personally i prefer that over being able to swap at any point in overwatch
Been playing both games for years and the only flaws of Paladins imo are the graphics and slow gameplay comparing to OW, all the rest Paladins does it better. It’s a shame it’s not a bigger company, if it was more polished it would be insane…Paladins hardware on Overwatch software would be the perfect game !! Anyway great vid, nice editing, you deserve more subs ! 😁
@@ramslife7295 Eh the gameplay isnt faster imo, honestly it feels slower in ow because it doesnt have caut. But honestly if u consider it faster I still consider paladins speed to be better, it’s a good midpoint
Hi paladins bet here! As there are loadout cards that heal a ton as well as supports that heal for stupid numbers, anti heal mechanic simply rewards positioning and being able to peel out of anti heal for them to get topped off and go back in the fight. During shield meta’s for example you absolutely wont be able to kill anything without anti-heal. To remove you will need to rework the damage scaling system and the healing scaling system. Previously (antiheal) was a purchasable item with credits that you collect after capturing or getting kills etc, which rewarded flankers and AOE characters a lot enabling them to dive easily and not see the enemy’s hp bar go up while dealing consistent damage. But when you played the game as it currently is compared to how was in the past, its passive now based on how long the match has been going for. it caused a huge meta shake because there is the possibility of getting rolled cuz you simply can’t kill a thing in well coordinated team fights. I tried to explain it as best as i could but there is a lot of stuff that i didnt go into such as shield reset mechanics or damage reduction ratios that different tanks have that make it extremely necessary to have such a mechanic in the game to be able to establish your own will on the game and the tempo. As the game currently stands, it has seen better days i consider giving it a more in-depth play time as the loadout system as it currently stands is one of the most fun things in the game being able to customize the whole character’s kit to your own preference and play style and something that really just feels right !
@@lmayo870 yes exactly! Its consistent as long as you land the shots on the enemy and the effect lasts for 1.5 seconds adding a little bit of mechanical skill to supports as to when to dump all their cooldowns in topping off a low HP tank or a dps that simply has much less sustain compared to a tank making it much more sensitive to play around the anti heal while still being proactive at the game. And it really discourages heal bot support players so thats also really good to see
Ah interesting, I actually like the fact that you can't just healbot throughout the game, so I'm starting to understand the importance of cauterize more and more through these kinds of comments, thanks homie
This video was funny and well edited. As a person who has only played OW2 though, I feel like you should have shared what you were learning about Paladins more throughout the video
Anti-Healing is a debuff that wears off really quickly but can get reapplied without diminishing returns. So if a tank just soaks and doesn't take cover, he dies. If he takes cover for 1.5 sec or so, you can then heal him normally. It's basically Anas nade from Overwatch but it doesn't entirely stop heals going through.
I loved paladins and umped alot of hours in it. Prefered it over Overwatch just for the card system but patch OB61 killed the game for me. Great video! Loved your talking points
@Lmayo sorry I ment patch OB 64, (stands for Open Beta patch 64) but it was basically the thing that made paladins unique they watered down to be very bland in terms of what you can do with cards. Along with buffs to alreadybstrong characters and a change in monetization. Much more was in it but that's the basics
In Summery of Exactly mean (Didnt point out what's the reason here, so i add little bit of detail so that you understand ob64) OB64, Hi-Rez Studios introduced drastic changes, following their CEO's push for more revenue through character card loot boxes. This transformed the game into an unbalanced pay-to-win system, making characters overpowered. The community backlash was intense, leading the developer to revert the changes. However, the damage was already done, and many players left the game due to the negative impact of these alterations.
sorry pal, but I don't think I'll have an interest in playing paladins anytime soon. I feel so bad for you if you watched this whole video, I hate this video with a passion lol
Have 500 hours in ow and 600 hours in tf2. Ive recently discovered paladins and Actually trying the game has me now thinking its the best of them all. Theres just so much room for creativity in most base characters, but especially their loadouts and talents. And pretty much all characters have some way of gaining schmovement, either in their base Kit or through their loadouts. And the already achmoovinh characters? They can SCHMOOOVE! Double poppy on bombking? (Poppy bomb is like junkrats mines if they actually had physique and didnt just shoot junkra straight upward all the time like actually what the fuck is that characters mines if he places it above his head he still flies upward wheres the fun in that!?!??) 70% cool down reduction on buck after elim??? (meaning that you gain your giant jump (like winston leap with waaaaay way more air control) back immidtaly after killing someone allowing you to force these rapid 1v1s all around the map! Termnius hogging rhe Projectiles he gains by absorbing enemy fire with the +10% movement speed per projectiles card + +5% damage reduction per projectiles store card combo making you unkillable and speedy!?!?? And just more and more. Theres so much room for stuff and so much room for creativity in most characters. The physique-engine is so much better than ow (but worse than tf2 like Come on how can no one get physique like them!?) and the items YOOOOOO LETHALITY ALLOWING FOR +60% MOVEMENT SPEED AND +180% JUMP HEIGHT AFTER EVERY ELIM ALLOWING FOR INSANE SCHMOVEMENT FOR CHARACTERS WITH MOVEMENT ABBILITIES YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Its just ugglier, less lore-full, and BETTER overwatch
I hate the Overwatch mechanic to switch characters all the time. I tried one tricking Doomfist and it honestly feels AWFUL. I had to play against Sombras and Roadhogs ALL THE TIME, I could only ACTUALLY play Doomfist every 20 matches
It's like Overwatch doesn't let you pick the hero you think is the most fun, it forces you to play the most convenient hero for the match, and I think that's bullshit
well to be fair doomfist isn't that good unless you're willing to go through 100 stages of hell lol. Also thats just the tank experience, 5v5 made tanks more susceptible to every annoying thing in the game since there's no off tank, i main tanks so i get your pain
To be honest, this game was a really good idea. Played it for a good bit after I quit Overwatch. Paladins did 5v5 before it was cool. It also took advantage of its MOBA roots with the Talent system, Card system, and mid-game upgrades, which was cool as hell. I really like these ideas, but my main issue is how they were executed. Starting years of Paladins were actually quite good despite the game being labelled as an OW clone. I found out about it because of that and tried it out when I saw it was free. Had an odd amount of fun playing Bomb King and Ruckus, but kinda fell off since nothing felt snappy nor satisfying. Not one to judge visuals too much, but I do judge animations quite hard. A good animation, whether it shows the great strength your weapon has or the many other things it can achieve, can literally make any boring ass weapon cool as hell. Take COD MW 2020, which was a violently okay game, but exploded because of how beautiful the animations were (visuals weren't even the biggest deal). First game to make widescale Godtier animations, and it carried the whole game. Everything felt powerful, snappy, and satisfying, but Paladins lacks this entirely. I like Makoa, but the way he throws his anchor feels flimsy. His cannon, although big and loud, doesn't do a lot of damage. Many characters share these problems, and it's an odd problem because not many people address it. How characters or weapons "feel" will either keep or throw players out your game, because if your characters / weapons feel like shit, then why use them? I did come back when I saw Khan cause he was cool as fuck. This was my longest time playing Paladins, which was the period I mained Khan and he thankfully felt strong with his powerful full auto pistol revolver clusterfuck and could throw people everywhere. Absolutely badass character, but the issue is that he was the only character I liked. This leads into another issue: lackluster kits. Paladins did what OW2 is doing right now but way earlier, which is add a lot of characters very fast. This seems awesome, but the issues are clear as day, even in OW2. Kits are boring. You get higher quantity, but worse quality. Because of this, a lot of characters were either boring thematically or boring practically. Characters never felt cool until later into the games lifespan when the Paladins teams became more loaded. Even then, the only character I like to this day is Khan, which sucks. Paladins is a really, really good concept, but its execution is very subpar. Some people got into it, but unfortunately, I did not. Apparently, Paladins had a wide variety of community issues, whether it be rabbid toxicity or whatever the hell. Game just dropped the ball, and it's obvious seeing how niche it has become and how it never really had a big "break". Unfortunate really, but it is what it is.
This was a really good comment criticizing the quality of the game. I 100% agree with your opinion on the animations being lackluster, the only reason why I liked azaan was it was kinda satisfying to constantly hit shots with the hammer. Really insightful comment and I'm sad that I didn't get to mention that in the video lol
Bro straight up jumped to playing flank with 3h experience, that's the hardest role man, demanding tactical experience, mechanics, outplay mentality, outside the box thinking, decision making, map awareness and maps tricks, fast thinking, different loadouts and items depending enemies and allies then yes, flanking enemies😂
omg as a player with 700 lv on this game, I'm glad you can have fun around the games here :') the matchmaking can be lackluster and im glad you got a friend to hang out with.
How did you watch the video and came to the conclusion that he was having "fun"? He even flat out said at one point that he found the game to be uninteresting to him so much so that he would lose interest 20 mins in... The guy was more interested in clowning and ripping the game than actually giving it a fair shot so idk where all this praise is coming from? And I say this as someone who considers himself a professional hater of paladins and hirez.
I think other people have explained the history so I'm just going to say: Cauturaize makes it more important to play strategically. At the start of the game its possible to brute force your way through situations if you have healers (as opposed to utility supports) but the longer the game goes on the smarter you have to play. You cant just constantly stand in the front line even as a tank, you need to take breaks so the healers can heal you efficently. Youll have noticed there also arent any one shots in the game: Paladins is slower than OW, and most people take that as a bad thing but its a big reason why I like it. Hitting a nasty shot is good, but it doesn't immediately end a duel. You have to out think the opposition to win, not just outgun them.
I think the 20hours is to "learn" something. There is a Ted Talk about this that explains 20h is the perfect threshold for you to learn enough for a result that will make you somewhat proud enough to continue the learning curve upward with more confidence. So the dude in the tedtalk basically says that you should always try to do 20 hours of the thing you want to learn, AT LEAST. 10K sounds more like mastery than learning or "good"
As someone who has 1200 hours on Paladins and tried OW2 for a bit I could write an essay on why Paladins gameplay has more depth to it, but the game itself is still kinda buggy and difficult to understand at first But things like the item store, loadouts and talents make the gameplay more diverse and adaptable You don't like anti heal, then buy rejuvenate from the item store or learn how to actually know when to retreat and avoid it Don't like being stunned into oblivion? Then buy resilence which can reduce effects of cc by 75% Or if your support's useless you can build a loadout around self healing or buy healing items But you'd need more than 20 hours to learn all these things which is why it can seem unappealing at first
I agree with paladins being more in depth than overwatch. And i get that I can buy upgrades to help counter stuns and stuff like that, but I don't wanna have to yknow
I loved the flank segment :D I kinda hoped you'll play evie as well (arguable the hardest champ in the game) Probably others already said this (and it's coming from a kind of flank main) the class is called "flank" but that doesn't mean you always go for flanks. They are better to look at as a higher mobility dps (there are exceptions of course). So a better way to think about flankers is to play as a dps slightly to the side and look for low hp targets mainly supports and jump on them if you have a window of opportunity
Ok so Cauterize, the thing deminishing the healing used to be one of the upgrades you pay for in the early days you could only get one upgrade per category and for many DPS characters it was probably the most efficient way to do their job, but it was overall inoffensive. Over time you stopped having to pick between upgrading reload speed and tanking heals AND people realized how effective it is. Also healers are very versatile in the game. Pip has been a viable flanking option since at least 2017, same goes for damage Ying and so on, so it became the meta upgrade. Eventually it got so bad you could get yelled at if you didn't go for caut first thing in the match, even with a single shot weapon (with the effect of the upgrade only lowering the heal for one second after being damaged) and important skills to lower the cooldown off, so devs decided to do something about it. They couldn't remove it because a full team of healers could 100% pull a win agins a properly picked team (I've done that, before and imagine if such team actually had a tank to focus on), so they decided to cut the potential harassment / purchasing mistakes and gave it to everyone for free.
I'll definitely look into some gameplay of it, a lot of people say that they also miss the old days of paladins and I'm curious to know what went wrong
Hi! I’m the guy who posted the “very helpful comment” about anti-heal (aka cauterize). I think a big detriment of paladins is that it’s an extremely complex and competitive-catered game, but there is nearly zero official education available for a lot of the complex mechanics that take place. For example, the entire healing mechanic is not that complicated, but still requires an explanation. A lot of new players (I’m assuming yourself included) are thrown into the mess and don’t know anything about: - Anti-heal (and how it’s applied by any enemy weapon attacks and how it increases over time as the match progresses) - How to cleanse anti-heal (don’t get hit by enemy weapons for 1.5 seconds, and you’ll get full healing) - Out of combat healing (don’t shoot or get hit for 5 seconds and you’ll start regenerating) And that’s just for healing alone. Knowing this means that certain team comps work better in the early game, where high-output supports can pocket their team through all damage, while other comps work better late game if they’re less reliant on healing and shielding. These nuances dictate the pace and flow of the game. There’s so many hidden mechanics that are taken for granted at a high level, but people don’t really learn about it naturally.
oh so there's a lot more mechanics to paladins than i thought. I thought most of the mechanics are mainly the items and loadouts, but i guess im wrong. Thanks for more insight on the game though
the game feels like an AI-generated mashup of every riot, blizzard, supercell, and valve IP. Its mostly impossible to tell whats going so I don't really play it
you are absolutely right about Paladins, but mainly because it's not new player friendly. It requires too much knowledge to have fun. Once you understand how this game works, it's quite fun and yet still very frustrating to play from time to time due to bugs, hacks, bots, insanely bad match making etc.
But it was new player friendly once. I remember when I started I picked Grover, who was back then a tanky close distance healer. It was so easy to heal my team by just pressing "Q" and throwing my axe at the enemy. I was instantly hooked. Back then champs were self-explaining like Nando or Seris or Viktor. Now every new champ has complicated mechanics.
even back then many mechanisms weren't explained well. Come back mechanism, diminishing return. And builds were hard for new players because the default ones sucked ball (now much better). However, now there are talents for all, keywoards for supports, which add so much complexity to each champion. half the champions have cc but new players don't even know what resilience is.@@elmercy4968
flank characters in paladins is like genji but his ult never stops edit: for that stat thing that you were asking at 14:00 it is basicaly the thing that you buy in the base with the power ups thing, same goes for your enemies they can buy it too, the thing you have on you is a decreased healing debuff, which probably was bought by your enemy at the time and itl effect you as you get hit by them
To hit a few points kinda briefly and all at once: 1. Flanks are "support dps", they're supposed to help win duels. 2. Supports are paired with tanks and their healing is supposed to be paired with some tupe of utility like damage reduction or speed buffs. When not with a tank or just for funsies, they can act as another dps- a couple of them are designed with that intention in mind. So cauterize is supposed to be felt but ignorable because your focus is on other things beyond healing.
Thanks for the insight, and yea I've noticed that most of the "good" tanks flank with a support. Also correct me if I'm wrong but I thought flanks were supposed to target the support and then damage and then tank
@@lmayo870 Sort of? The problem with that is that supports are designed to be able to fight against flankers or escape them. So you don't want to go for any strict rules in terms of target prioritization but think instead "I target supports to help my tank win the tank fight, then dps so that my DPS win their fights, then tanks because I'm hungry."
Eh I feel like flankers are more like high damage up/massive damage fall off that usually has much better mobility in general than average dps but is terrible at long range unless you play maeve, since you can easily snipe with her.
@@DemiCape That's why I call them support DPS. In an optimal team comp, there are two tanks, two supports, and one dps. The catch is that the second tank and support are more focused on damage than their primary counterparts meaning that the singular DPS has to contribute something alongside their damage. Flanks are supposed to add their mobility as their main contribution. Unlike their non flank siblings, they can hop between fights and add bursts of damage so their team can take Ws throughout the map. Mind you, in any other team comp with more DPS, this changes but the mentality kinda sticks. Never solo as a flank, find a fight and help win.
Paladins developed a year before Overwatch/Titan was in development . Overwatch has taken stuff from Paladins and Paladins has taken stuff from Overwatch through the years as each game has developed, the Original torb ult was basically Vulcan Ult from smite, Mauga ult is Odin +Ares ult from smite. nothing wrong with borrowing ideas and changing them slightly to fit your own game.
funnily enough paladins was in developement before overwatch was even being developed. Paladins coming from a smaller studio of course meant they didnt release sooner so people just call it a clone of overwatch.
Dont know if anyone mentioned it but the anti healing used to be an item called cauterize. It caused healing reduction on people you attack. Since everyone bought it (and some balancing reasons) they made it a passive thing. I commented this before seeing that you looked it up.
anti heal is called cauterize. Basically it's an effect that last 1.5 after the last shot u received. that effect increase with the time to finally get 90%. Meaning that 90% of the heal will not apply, but it does not stack in anyway, only the last shot u receive will apply to u caut. Let's pretend u got shot ; caut will apply for 1.5s, if u're not shot again, 1.5s later caut will be gone ; BUT ; if u being shot again within the 1.5s, it will reset the time of caut and u'll have to wait another 1.5s after the very last shot u got. just in case, you dont HAVE to count 1.5s in your head, cauterize make ur life bar above ur head and ur mates head kinda green (normally its blue) so if ure a sup, u have to wait for caut to be off (or in other words, you have to wait your mates life bar to get blue again) before u can heal anyone, or else u just going to waste ur heal caut 90% hits approximately at 10min of the game, so in the early u can easly ignore it. And that very same logic explain why 2 supps comps are extremely good in the early game (before the 6-7mins) cause u'll just have A LOT of heal, but after 10min, 2 supps comps are just trash asf cause u wont get any heal a lot of paladins players dont understand that and thats why they keep complaning about their supps not healing enough but in fact thats their gameplay and game sense that makes them have no heal good video btw
The point of anti healing is because the supports in this game heal for alot, so to try and move away from healbots there is antiheal. on primary fire hits it is applied for a short time, after that time ends healing is restored to normal, hits refresh the duration. The job is on the person who wants to be healed to make themselves the time for the anti heal to fall off (could walk behind a wall, put up a shield, or use certain abilities like grohks ghost walk), and on the support to be attentive enough to see when it has fallen off to heal them (the health bar is a different shade of green when an ally is under the effect of anti healing). It makes for a higher skill ceiling when it comes to being a support and for others it becomes a skill to get out of anti healing long enough to get healed. If you read through the items in game you would notice there is one to increase healing received by up to 30%, this directly counters anti healing (for example if anti heal is at -50%, that 30% is cumulative so you will be at -20% healing received while under the effect of anti heal. There is also an item called resilience which reduces the effects of cc (stuns, slows, etc) so to complain about being stunned all the time is kinda void since its head countered by resilience. They made a new and returning players guide on their website that explains alot of these thins, not in great detail but enough for new players to get a grasp of the various mechanics that make this game unique and dynamic throughout the match and skill levels.
I don't mind when people like overwatch better than this game (even though it still doesn't feel like you really got a full understanding of it, possibly due in part to not a lot of effort to actually learn being put into those 20 hours,) it's just irritating hearing so many people calling it an overwatch clone when the two games were in development at the same time. And about the frequent stuns, there's an item specifically designed to make them negligible.
i have 1k hours in the game, last time i played it actively was in 2021, the game was in a pretty good state comparable to now. i always enjoyed the ranked experience a lot compared to any other games, in paladins you can spend on average 5 minutes in champion select in ranked matches, but every game there is coordination between your teammates, you all discuss who to ban, who wants to swap, who plays a certain role etc. i feel more teamwork just in paladins ranked champion select than in an entire overwatch match, and i hate the fact that you can just counterpick someone in overwatch. overwatch's characters felt pretty boring when i started playing it in 2020 but doomfist felt nice, now in overwatch 2 he is a tank and gets obliterated whenever someone in the enemy team picks sombra, which forces me to play another tank while almost all are boring. in paladins you just lock in your character and if you play well and have a good loadout you will never feel counterpicked. this game is better than overwatch in a few ways, it also feels a bit more competitive, in your average payload game there is not much going on and people play more strategically, having long trades etc. in overwatch i feel like one team can win a teamfight in 4 seconds before anyone even has their ultimates, so paladins definitely feels more slow-paced which i prefer in a game like this, overwatch is such a dopamine rush. sadly paladins is doomed to fail right now and i bet it will be shut down in 2025, they lost their lead art director 2 months ago and the lead game designer left the team 2 weeks ago, they have been reusing the same battlepass for like 4 years or so which is laughable, and since they dont have an art director their art looks terrible now, so the game feels even less polished, like as if 3 people in total worked on it. 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match and then the same notification stacks and pops up as new the next 3 times you open the notification bar. there also used to be kill cam and play of the game but devs removed it because the camera was bugged almost all the time and they didnt know how to fix it ruclips.net/video/Npbl6wPw52A/видео.html ive also seen people complain about cheaters and toxicity in the game, but honestly in my 1k hours of playtime i have probably never met a cheater yet (i play on EU servers for clarification), and the community feels better than overwatch's, especially when you try ranked in both games. paladins has a lot things to offer that makes it better than overwatch in some ways (i wont even mention the talent and card system because everyone knows that), but its clear which game is playable right now and its overwatch, paladins even runs on an engine from 2007 and instead of updating that the devs made smite 2 with the newest unreal engine, honestly a lot of people are complaining about overwatch since ov2 released and i feel like if there were more people that worked in this game and they actually put time and effort into it, it might have been in a better state than overwatch is, but the devs do not care about paladins and the proof of that is that since paladins released, they made rogue company, divine knockout, smite 2 and realm royale 2, all of these games literally noone asked for while they could have just made paladins 2, i dont see any person that would willingly play smite 2 or realm royale 2, while i feel like a lot of people, including overwatch players would try paladins 2 if it existed, but sadly hirez is a shitty company and they do not care. tho i think one of the main reasons this game started to fall off is because they were releasing a hero every month instead of fixing bugs and polishing the game, now whilst i really enjoy playing almost any character in the game because the combat feels good in it and even tanks or supports have really fun gameplays, they could just slow down with making the heroes and fix their game instead, it just feels really cheap and buggy. so in conclusion, this game could have been saved, 3 years ago is when it was doomed to fall already, because they released so many fucking heroes 4 years ago for no reason, and fixed like 2 bugs out of 200, i wish they could have sold their ass to some other company to fix the game and i bet it would even surpass ov2 due to blizzards shitty decision making, unfortunately hirez decision making is even worse and i think you can teach a toddler quantum physics better than you can teach hi rez studios how to fix a decent game with huge potential instead of abandoning it for fucking smite 2, realm royale reforged and new projects which will probably be dead on arrival.
Holy moly this is the biggest comment I have ever seen in my life. To say that this was informational is an understatement, thanks for sharing dawg seriously
why ill never go back to paladins over overwatch: - horrible servers and cheaters(overwatch has em but i met way more playing paladins than overwatch) - characters are locked behind months of grinding(overwatch has some locked but easy challenges to get them, try them in practice then win some games to learn their role classes not just straight out buy them) - ranked is dead dont even try unless you got hours of your life to waste - games optimization is questionable
20 hours is not enough sadly to pick up paladins it needs much much more time to grasp the feeling of customizing builds talents items playstyles combos and approaches to each match against each champion at each particular situation, the feeling of u outplaying 3 or 4 enemies solo due to good preparations, practice, muscle memory game knowledge awareness, cds, ect not one shot or get one shotted ow core consept... gives the most rewarding feeling ive ever experienced again all other games i played before, even though it is buggy and not polished but it is far far more fun and rewarding than most of games out there (and i played alot),while alot of games are well funded as supercars in the car industry paladins is like the sleeper hidden gem supercar gapper miata/civic of video games that only requires time, love, and patience to open up to u.
I understand that paladins has more depth than I or anyone could've explored in 20 hours without making the video an information dump. This video was just to test the waters and see why people like the game so much that they were telling me to play it in a previous video. I'm happy that you like the game and by all means keep playing it, but personally it's not for me
@@lmayo870 i totally understand that i just hoped u play it bit more in ur free time that might give u bit more insight of it as for me i game once or twice in a month due to life and work, and games tastes are subjective and that i love and respect, just wanted u to know that ur experience wasn't near the real paladins sadly, but if you let it go it's totally understandable, few are the people who doesn't mind a game not to be clear and easy to learn on ur face since the beginning.
Don't fuck with Paladins players we are used to normalazing abuse That being said, in short Caut is in the game to add depth and balance supports. Whenever you hit someone with your weapon they are affected by caut by 1.5 seconds. They have to take no damage for 1.5 seconds in order to cleanse Caut. That's what good tank and supports do. The tank finds or makes cover for Caut to end, and the support heals the tank in that period. Same goes for DPS and Flanks. Yes the wheel is trash, that's why players use the Legacy VGS system. It is a lot easier and more efficient. You had a complaint about CC, which is easily solved with Resilience. It is a cheaper item, and reduces CC effects for quite a bit. That scales similarly to Caut, only that you have to spend credits on Resi. So CC is also better early game, and gets weaker nearing the middle and late game. It adds strat to drafting, because if you have way too many CC characters then your team value drops significantly with Resi coming online. You can't switch characters mid match to counter, that's why there is an item store. The store is there for you to buy items to counter the enemy draft. It is balanced differently than Overwatch, where the balance comes down to counter picks. In Paladins, you are making your draft, that's why you don't pick easily countered characters early in the draft (like Raum) and instead pick it in the later picks if the enemy doesn't have too many counters. As for casuals, it's casuals so you shouldn't take it too seriously anyway. There is a lot more depth to the game that takes a while to notice and get used to, like zoning, comeback mechanic, ult recharge on kill streak ends, CD management and attention to enemies, item store knowledge etc. You didn't enjoy flanks which is fair but you also played Talus and Moji. Talus is fine, Moji is very underwhelming to put it in a nice way (she's garbage). There's more fun options imo, as well as a lot more mobile ones. Talus and Moji are within the lowest mobility flanks you could have chosen. You gave it a fair shot which I respect, it is definitely not going to be for everyone. Despite the meme and unfair comparisons, Paladins and OW play very differently and it can be felt. Their game and balance philosophy differs greatly. Plus chances are players will have internal bias when they try the other game after playing one of them for a longer period of time. Like for me I played OW but it bored me so much faster than any other game, especially coming from Paladins where I can play one character in different playstyles with Loadouts and Talents. I also find Paladins characters a lot more interesting than OW. All I can say is there's a reason Paladins lasted so long instead of dying like all the other games when OW was at its peak, especially since Hirez is handling the game lmao. And your furry friend was bound to play Paladins at some point.
@@lmayo870 Yes of course I can. In short Caut is in the game to add depth and balance supports. Whenever you hit someone with your weapon they are affected by caut by 1.5 seconds. They have to take no damage for 1.5 seconds in order to cleanse Caut. That's what good tank and supports do. The tank finds or makes cover for Caut to end, and the support heals the tank in that period. Same goes for DPS and Flanks. Yes the wheel is trash, that's why players use the Legacy VGS system. It is a lot easier and more efficient. You had a complaint about CC, which is easily solved with Resilience. It is a cheaper item, and reduces CC effects for quite a bit. That scales similarly to Caut, only that you have to spend credits on Resi. So CC is also better early game, and gets weaker nearing the middle and late game. It adds strat to drafting, because if you have way too many CC characters then your team value drops significantly with Resi coming online. You can't switch characters mid match to counter, that's why there is an item store. The store is there for you to buy items to counter the enemy draft. It is balanced differently than Overwatch, where the balance comes down to counter picks. In Paladins, you are making your draft, that's why you don't pick easily countered characters early in the draft (like Raum) and instead pick it in the later picks if the enemy doesn't have too many counters. As for casuals, it's casuals so you shouldn't take it too seriously anyway. There is a lot more depth to the game that takes a while to notice and get used to, like zoning, comeback mechanic, ult recharge on kill streak ends, CD management and attention to enemies, item store knowledge etc. You didn't enjoy flanks which is fair but you also played Talus and Moji. Talus is fine, Moji is very underwhelming to put it in a nice way (she's garbage). There's more fun options imo, as well as a lot more mobile ones. Talus and Moji are within the lowest mobility flanks you could have chosen. You gave it a fair shot which I respect, it is definitely not going to be for everyone. Despite the meme and unfair comparisons, Paladins and OW play very differently and it can be felt. Their game and balance philosophy differs greatly. Plus chances are players will have internal bias when they try the other game after playing one of them for a longer period of time. Like for me I played OW but it bored me so much faster than any other game, especially coming from Paladins where I can play one character in different playstyles with Loadouts and Talents. I also find Paladins characters a lot more interesting than OW. All I can say is there's a reason Paladins lasted so long instead of dying like all the other games when OW was at its peak, especially since Hirez is handling the game lmao. And your furry friend was bound to play Paladins at some point.
@@lmayo870 My bad I don't speak loud sometimes, I'll try to be a bit louder. *In short Caut is in the game to add depth and balance supports. Whenever you hit someone with your weapon they are affected by caut by 1.5 seconds. They have to take no damage for 1.5 seconds in order to cleanse Caut. That's what good tank and supports do. The tank finds or makes cover for Caut to end, and the support heals the tank in that period. Same goes for DPS and Flanks. Yes the wheel is trash, that's why players use the Legacy VGS system. It is a lot easier and more efficient. You had a complaint about CC, which is easily solved with Resilience. It is a cheaper item, and reduces CC effects for quite a bit. That scales similarly to Caut, only that you have to spend credits on Resi. So CC is also better early game, and gets weaker nearing the middle and late game. It adds strat to drafting, because if you have way too many CC characters then your team value drops significantly with Resi coming online. You can't switch characters mid match to counter, that's why there is an item store. The store is there for you to buy items to counter the enemy draft. It is balanced differently than Overwatch, where the balance comes down to counter picks. In Paladins, you are making your draft, that's why you don't pick easily countered characters early in the draft (like Raum) and instead pick it in the later picks if the enemy doesn't have too many counters. As for casuals, it's casuals so you shouldn't take it too seriously anyway. There is a lot more depth to the game that takes a while to notice and get used to, like zoning, comeback mechanic, ult recharge on kill streak ends, CD management and attention to enemies, item store knowledge etc. You didn't enjoy flanks which is fair but you also played Talus and Moji. Talus is fine, Moji is very underwhelming to put it in a nice way (she's garbage). There's more fun options imo, as well as a lot more mobile ones. Talus and Moji are within the lowest mobility flanks you could have chosen. You gave it a fair shot which I respect, it is definitely not going to be for everyone. Despite the meme and unfair comparisons, Paladins and OW play very differently and it can be felt. Their game and balance philosophy differs greatly. Plus chances are players will have internal bias when they try the other game after playing one of them for a longer period of time. Like for me I played OW but it bored me so much faster than any other game, especially coming from Paladins where I can play one character in different playstyles with Loadouts and Talents. I also find Paladins characters a lot more interesting than OW. All I can say is there's a reason Paladins lasted so long instead of dying like all the other games when OW was at its peak, especially since Hirez is handling the game lmao. And your furry friend was bound to play Paladins at some point.*
I have 1.3K hrs on OW and 1.5K on Paladins. Rank on OW : Master 1 DPS and Master 2 Support, Dia 1 Tank. Rank on Paladins : I don't play ranked. *Now let me add my two cents* *POSITIVES* 1). The most fun part in Paladins is actually the the card building and how can you mix-max your playstyle, and you're not even bother touching that, so that's a huge miss. Welp, you tried to do that in 20 hrs, so at least you tried. Those decision will affect your DPS (Damage Per Second) and it gives you dopamine boost seeing how the numbers popup changes. For example "Kinessa" used to have a legendary (talent) where you get more damage if the enemy is affected by mines, so running a card with 5 mines is viable, and your whole playstyle will change because of that. There's even a Flank Kinessa build. 2). The most fun role in Paladins imo is actually the Support, yes. This is coming from a DPS player on OW. Support playstyle is very anti pocket healing and more about everything else. Paladins support is crazy fun, because you can actually build the dps playstyle on it, and not just one playstyle for one hero. My favorite is Furia with her stun beam and maldamba. Ying DPS is also fun, there's even a dedicated guide on how to build DPS supports. If you think playing support like how mercy plays is fun, then Paladins really isn't for you. I can't name a single support that isn't in Paladins tbh, even ghrok is really fun if you run the Chidori build with bouncing electricity. *NEGATIVES* 1). While Paladins is fun in terms of gameplay, the devs really never focuses on polish. Polish on fixing bugs, polish on clunky movement, etc. Most old bugs in paladins are still recurring even to the recent time I played it. I truly believe Lead Programmer or whoever made the decision to halt this fixes to focus on something else is not focused on making Paladins a good game, let alone compete with Overwatch. 2). Hero lock in game and no role selection like in overwatch. It's frustrating when you don't have a tank and you already know it's GG from the start of the round. 3). I've stopped playing Paladins like 4-5 years ago because my disappointment from above statements. Once a year or two I tried to download the game and play it again just to see how much have changed, mostly I just become disappointed and uninstalled it again after 1 or 2 games. *CAUTERIZE* (The negative healing shit) - Seeing how stupid mercy buff and Kiriko suzu, I hope there's caut is actually added in overwatch. OW2 is slightly better since there's only a tank and goats are not a thing, but it's still annoying. If your team or you not playing a Hit-scan to shoot the mercy, then it's GG. Kiriko suzu is retarded, literally much better than bap's immortality. Suzu literally counter all ult, all fucking ult. it's fucking retarded. In OW2 support is not as fun as DPS. Kiriko is fucking busted, LW is useless, Ana is useless in high rank since everyone will counter with Kiri, etc. - In Paladins at least, all this Support can adapt their playstyle to fit the late condition of cauterize, even if they have to go DPS. Support playstyle is very anti pocket healing.
Extremely insightful comment from a person with great experience in both games. I knew about the card system and stuff like that, I just took that part out of the video because i thought it would drag the video on. And I agree with the anti healing, pocketing in overwatch is pretty stupid and anti healing would prevent this and make a much more interesting experience, although I think it shouldn't go all the way up to 90 or 80%
@@lmayo870 Yea 80-90%, maybe that's too much. I haven't played Paladins recently so I don't really know the exact recent experience, I'm not surprised if it's as awful as you said. In OW we have ana's nade to counter those pocket healing playstyle, but we have Kiriko suzu now to counter anti. Not just anti, but literally anything. CC, ult, dmg. Kiriko is goddamn busted. At least with bap immortality you can only counter damage, not cc or anti, but suzu is on another level busted. Anyway, cool for you to actually try paladins out and have discussion with the community.👍
The anti-healing in paladins used to be a purchasable item used that when you damage enemy players the healing they get from teammates is less but they made it built-in the point of it is to make the game go quicker and if that didnt exist people wont die in the game it depends what stage you are in the match like if u didnt capture anything 25% when the payload spawns raises and goes on till its 90% and that doesnt make it always anti-healing.
I mean… you did summarize why my friends have a hard time trying to get OW friends to give Paladins a try. There’s a lot of information that just isn’t exactly explained and is learned via osmosis of playing. Going in with an OW mindset also dampens the feeling. However the people that gave it a try from a moba background liked it more. Instead of characters being hard counters to each other, the items are designed to counter the strategies or how the game is going. Cauterize originally was an item but everyone bought it flat out so they just integrated it into the game. I think what about it that people end up enjoying about Paladins is that this is very much the game experience ends up being what you make of it. Personally playing both OW and Paladins, and I don’t have as much fun in OW as I do in Paladins. OW I get more upset at my own teammates as game goes by because of how gameplay is, I end up just feeling stuck. There’s only so much a support can do. Likewise Paladins a support can end up being the reason why a game turns around. Grohk, Pip, and Seris can do a lot of healing, but they can also consistently put damage. Support also have a lot of CC, which technically gets countered by Resilience (Item shortens CC effects) Overall, Paladins has alot of depth, Overwatch relishes in its simplicity. Maximum enjoyment of Paladins ends up with people who figure out the depth of Paladins and what they can do. None of the characters are essentially locked in what they are capable of, like Ruckus is best played as an Offtank/Brusier but he has a point tank/main tank playstyle but it makes his job harder. Also.. Flanking in this game takes a different mindset. You got mobility and damage over survivable sustain. As my friend puts it, Play like a little bitch. Or guerrilla warfare is the way to go. It’s shame you won’t give this game more of a chance, but I do understand why you feel the way you feel
the way this was worded reminds me of the warframe vs destiny debate. Warframe is a more complex and in depth game, while destiny is more simplified but a much more greedy market. If you dont know what im talking about then im sorry, but i get where you're coming from
Since Paladins is a moba, it adopted the moba commonality where heals are passively anti healed when out of combat. This is to encourage finishing fights and not running away to get full healed. Essentially, this makes healers only effective when the target already has an incoming source of damage.
@@lmayo870 I was actually thinking it might be a good idea for overwatch to test adopting this. Maybe allow for DPS to heal over time out of combat but for like 1hp/s. Then nerf healing for any individual who hasn’t taken damage within an “x” amount of seconds. This would help alleviate the current, rampant support meta that Overwatch has placed themselves into.
Fun Fact: Paladins used to be VERY different. Literally you would get these chests that would have the cards in them, yes the cards and your ability to rank up... were tied to loot boxes... Literally no one liked it and yes it was essentially pay to win. Cauterize (the red plus mark) used to be an item you could buy during the match, and yes, it felt awful then too. Not sure what the new system they have for it, but tbh it looks awful. Might reinstall and break my balls for a few hours, see what is new.
Coming from a hardcore Paladins fan, since 2015, I only play OW now. You did a decent analysis but you're correct that it will take 100 hours to fully understand the game. I definitely wish they had item or talent swaps, instead of hero swaps mid game. But this game is more about planning and focuses more on team play. OW has enough ppl who heal themselves, and there are health packs, so a game can be won without a healer. The ONLY way that can be done in Paladins, is if u have a sweaty Androxus, Maeve, or Evie who is playing on PC. Usually anyone who plays flank on mouse and keyboard, are top tier. The long que times do suck, but they were way worse. Used to be 10,mins to get on a game. Also the trash community who think they kno the best way or "meta" loadouts and talent each champion should use. So ppl Wil throw a ranked game if u choose a talent they dnt think u should, even if it's the best way thag u play with that champ. I think that's the real reason they took the Cauterize item out, and made it a part of the game; some ppl who go the entire game without getting cauterize, and others would complain.
people already explained, but cauterize used to be one of the items, so your primary weapon shots gets you more in combat kills, as enemy cant heal while they're fighting you. They have to hide for 1.5 seconds, then they can be healed properly. Pip, the fox dude was so good if people didn't buy cauterize. Youre super agile, they're slowed, taking 840 damage per shot, while you're just bouncing around, if you get low health, just heal yourself for instant 2000 health and yeah... You could just wreck people with pip, especially in low to mid ranks. If people bought cauterize 3 which is 90% heal reduction, then pip as flanker got pretty fked, as now you cant heal mid combat, your 2000 heal became 200 heal. Everyone bought the item so they made it part of the game and added a new item. But that was at the point game was going downhill and people on mass leaving due to bad servers.
healers in paladins.... can heal. So if cauterize wasn't there, then 1 tank and 4 healers would be the meta for sure, as supports can dash out good damage and heal a lot. Youd literally could only get kills with oneshot abilities or singling out an enemy to a 1v1 hoping his team doesnt come there.
paladins is like if overwatch was a fever dream. it just feels chaotic in a good way. It's fun to go back to every once in a while but it gets boring quickly. That's how I personally see it, at least
I'm like really late to this, i quite much agree with a lot of your takes on the difference between the 2 games. I have around 100hrs on OW and i have 2k+ hrs on Paladins. Hi-Rez as a game developer is just sad, paladins is a game with a lot of great potential gone wrong. The graphics comparison says a lot too, for a game that's been around this long you would probably assume it must've been getting better but nope they don't give a fuck. In terms of gameplay i personally enjoy myself a good movement shooter that lets me get away for not playing with perfect aim. I realised you didn't like playing the Flank role at all but maybe that's because you're not particularly used to the 1v9 assassin'ish gameplay which is the most fun playstyle. Something i adore Paladins for is the fact that almost every character in the game can be played as a DPS. I read in a reply comment that you're not a very OTP kind of player which i understand. This makes it definetely a lot more grindy since you don't quite know what's good and what not and there's a lot of complexity behind loadouts and itemisations and team comps in general besides the standard HAHA 2 dps 2 tank 1 healer. For example you were wondering about the Furia weapon there, its actually more incentivised to run furia as a hybrid DPS support rather than a main healer because of how her passive works, which also brings back to the point i was making earlier. It would be more realistic to compare Paladins to a movement shooter with MOBA elements rather than another "Hero" Shooter i'd say in terms of gameplay. Supports are not just Heal Bots with only 1 pupose which is Heal and CC. :) Now then the big cauterize situation. *Sigh*, not sure what this was for either they just wanted to change some stuff up ig? It used to be an item that was bought but what would happen is if someone snowballs really hard they end up rushing caut 3 at 2-0 and now its almost impossible for the enemy team healer with chronos 1 and 10 deaths to heal completely throwing of the pace of the game. There were definetely better alternatives to go about this but eh, They just made it a passive thing. But on the upside anyone who knows how to play the game would avoid damage and retreat to get healed. It's a common concept that if you want heals you yourself must fall back to it and not let the support mis-position to pocket you. So overall in higher ranks it doesn't really do anything tbh. Items like Wrecker and Haven are more BS imo. Characters are meh, its not the worst thing about the game but not the best either. I believe after Vora's release the game really went to shit, they just started pumping character left and right which makes no sense to me. Also i recommend anyone that plays the game to use Legacy VGS instead of the wheel. You mentioned that voice lines were meh but fyi every skin comes with a different set of voice lines and even sometimes are even different voice actors. I have yet to find a game that honestly changes up the vibe of characters that much yet outside of Paladins which was pretty amazing and felt good to collect skins. I do agree comp takes too much time to setup but then again so does other MOBA's so like not much to say about that besides maybe they shouldve been stricter with dodgers? Comp takes longer depending on region and time and your overall MMR, q times are fine in Plat + for the most part. Not being able to switch champs mid game is a concept i don't understand that well. This is a concept i've never seen out of Overwatch and is one of the reasons i find overwatch gameplay boring. In Paladins you have 5x the amount of champs than overwatch so rather than the common rock paper scissors counter matchups its more about team building. I've mentioned this yet again but its avidly more similar to a MOBA. Well this was sorta long huh. I guess all i would say is Paladins is by no means a great game but its still a fun game to play with people. But if its not for you ig its not for you. This is coming from an ex-paladins player XD.
very insightful comment man i appreciate it. I understand where you;re coming from with a lot of your points and i agree with a good amount of them. Im just happy that you arent shoving your opinions down my throat like a lot of other paladins players. You're right, im not an OTP player but i used to be, just kinda got boring after a while i guess. I didnt know characters had as many voice lines as they did in the game, or even some skins change that up (or maybe i do and i forgot idk i made this vid a while ago). Im glad you agree that some of the character's personality is meh though, yeah they got lots of voice lines but what does that matter if they're not executed well? Quality over quantity. You were spitin facts though, really glad i took the time to read your comment brotha
Haha is cool, always nice to see someone hate on a hi-rez game. I know its not your niche but i would love to see another video like this from you where you spend hours on trying out popular games from different genres, pretty dank stuff.@@lmayo870
for a small channel, you've got some pretty good editing my guy! Audio isn't bad either, could be better, but it always can. Even Tucker Carlson has audio problems and that guy's a millionaire with musk on his six. Anyhow, it's good to see some good ol' palman's gameplay, thanks for putting it up
Ed, he’s a good damage dealer as well. I’m really not a top he’s all-around just a great character but you got to stay at a distance to be fair most of the the best style I found and I just unlocked him. Yesterday was the talent that increases his damage the further you are away, which he’s really a sniper with acts yeah with an ax and it does a lot of damage and you can still get the hills off.
You can play paladins for hours in causals, but once you get to ranked you have to know which builds work. And what champs work on which maps. You also have to know which builds are good. Like tigron's fury is the only good build in ranked for tiberius. And Bariks only good build in ranked is fortify.
@@lmayo870 some builds are better then others, since flanks have low HP, but of the time you want some kind of speed boost, or damage reduction, and more health. As for healers most of the time you always want chronos 3 to heal faster.
After the pve news one of my OW friend groups jumped ship to Paladins (melodramatic fuckers). So, I downloaded it too. I think my first impression of this overwhelmingly janky game was that I was enjoying its novelty. I'm a Lucio main, and got addicted to Evie because her kit is GOATED. - The card system: It allows you to talor your kit to your own playstyle. I like it, but prefer OW's simplicity. In OW you form a relationship with a hero's kit and it allows for better clarity in ult/ability cooldown tracking. - Item/perk system: I can see it leading to unnessasary disadvantages in game. For one, the team that plays better earns more credits. This gives them an advantage when they were already winning. Say youre getting cc'd a lot, you essentally have to upgrade cc resistance which puts you and your team behind in the "credit/item economy" relative to the enemy team. Also, there is so much cc like wtf. - Seige: It is literally the only good game mode. It is also phenominal and I really wish it was in Overwatch. - Polish: OW. Visual and auditory feedback matter. - Store/cosmetics: Yes, fuck Blizzard, but also where are these crazy ass skins I keep seeing Paladins players talk about? Also, I stopped getting lootboxes like 3 days in and its gonna take me at least a few months and 69billion commercials before I get enough diamonds for a single skin (OW2 moment). OW > Paladins
I ain't reading allat These are pretty much the exact things I've said to most people lol. So I agree with pretty much everything you've said here, the "crazy" skins people were talking about were the ones that change the character's voices which is a pretty cool feat honestly
The anti-healing has a LOOOONG history basically, there's always been an issue with healers doing FAR too much healing, but the damage champions do SO much damage that the healers need to be able to burst for very high numbers To counter the healers' OP healing, they added an item called Cauterize that would reduce healing on targets you hit with your primary weapon for a short time, forcing that person to hide temporarily in order to get a proper heal. After a while, every single person in every single game was buying Cauterize because the game was simply a loss without it. Eventually, Hi-Rez just added Cauterize as a passive effect that scales throughout the match. It behaves essentially the same as Cauterize did as an item. So basically, rather than rebalance every single character's stats and numbers, they just reduce healing throughout the match, and the rest sorts itself out. It's a surprisingly effective fix for how dumb it sounds. You have to understand it to play around it, but if you DO learn how to effectively escape the anti-heal as a tank, you will get a lot of love from your team (especially your healer, who appreciates it massively) Paladins is an extremely fun game when you understand wtf is going on. It's far closer to a MOBA like DOTA than it is to Overwatch. There are hundreds of different ways to play each character between your items and loadouts each match, and the talents just further expand that, though not every talent on every character is good, or even viable in actual play. This is, however, an understanding that all long-time players have. Every character and their cards and talents are ever-changing to help move the meta in another direction. There are hard counters and soft counters to every character and there aren't any characters that aren't worth playing if you're willing to get creative. Healers can do incredible damage if played correctly, tanks can play off the point and some can even heal your flanks. Damage characters can be played in all sorts of positions, not just the backline. It really is an infinitely creative game and THAT is where the fun is. I don't like overwatch because the characters are rigid and must be played a certain way to be effective. Mastery of a character just means you play them just like every other person who plays that character at that level. In paladins, I play characters in unorthodox ways that enemies aren't used to, and it catches them off-guard. I love that about it. It's not for everyone, but it isn't a bad game. The devs are STUPID, but they made something genuinely good and they do an ok job of keeping it just enjoyable enough. Lol
dont get me wrong i think the creativity and unique aspects of paladins is 100% its strong suit, in my opinion i just didn't think it was excecated properly but thats also the dev's fault lol. To be honest if the game was better polished and had a team behind it that cared about how wacky the game is, it would be a lot more enjoyable to me and lots of other people. I feel like the crazyness of this game could rival that of tf2, mainly because there is so many different ways to approach an enemy and lots of playstyles for one character. I respect your opinion but i still think the game isnt for me, and it probably will remain that way for a long time
Used to love playing Paladins, since I didn't have a system (or good enough pc) for Overwatch having a game similar to it gave me lots of enjoyment. Even though I feel like I couldn't do good in the game anymore just like with SMITE (another game from the company) and the fact they got so many great VA's for it made me all the more happy.
@lmayo870 did play a bit on my gaming pc that I've had for the last few years (could also play it on my switch but haven't done so yet) Aside from not being great at not being aggressive in almost every game I did enjoy it pretty well.
I know people in the comments touched on it more but the anti-heal used to be an item and was so overcentralized that not going it was literally throwing so that's another reason why it was added that I haven't seen touched on
My first two mains so far into the game have been tiberius and azaan. Bro just like me fr Gonna try VII next, his mag dump plus the reload buffs basically mean constant spammage and I love it
If you go with VII always stick with burst mode unless an enemy is in your face, especially when using his tribunal upgrades talent, the extra electric damage is worth it
the fact that the furia used arguably her worst talent, and proceeded to blame the team for their incompetency rlly says it all.
least toxic paladins player
@@lmayo870 fax💀
As a healer main, it's either blame or be blamed.
@@rue_pardox as a healer main, dont blame, just healing
@@lmayo870 paladins community is small. Many aware we need new players to keep the game alive. Some people are ... typical
Anti-healing is to keep healers in check. Each weapon shot applies it for 1.5 seconds. Early game, healers can get away with ignoring it, but later they will have to wait for them to cleanse it or they will just waste the cooldown. It used to be an item called Cauterize, so if you see someone mention Caut/Cauterize, that is what they are talking about. Sadly a lot of people don't cleanse it by hiding behind a wall/shield.
i see the word "cleanse" being thrown around these kinds of discussions and I don't know what it means
@@lmayo870 cleansing in this context means to cleanse the anti-healing effect. To do this you have to avoid weapon damage for 1.5 seconds. Then no anti-healing applies until you get shot again. A good support and tank will work on this together, the tanks drops a shield or gets behind cover, the support waits with his ability until the anti-heal effect is cleansed.
@@delete26em so correct me if I'm wrong, but if you get shot the anti healing does not apply? But if you avoid damage for 1.5 seconds it does? I'm still kinda confused
@@lmayo870 Caut applies only if you're taking damage and 1.5 sec after that. Then the debuff is cleansed and you receive full heal again. So you'll have to play smart
@@lmayo870 Basically you take weapon damage anti healing (caut) gets applied for 1.5 seconds. The anti healing will be cleansed after the 1.5 seconds unless you take more weapon damage which restart the 1.5 second timer.
"I got killed by the bunny, and Waifus are on my screen!!" As a longtime player, this the most Paladins-thing I've ever heard😂
Lol paladins be wild
Still can't understand why they genderbent pip
@@jex-the-notebook-guy1002Money!
@@jex-the-notebook-guy1002 fan service = money
they genderbent zhin and lex too, why not its just skins@@jex-the-notebook-guy1002
In regards to the "not being able to switch champions" part
In Paladins matchups have a lot more to do with planning than the actual champion you are playing, that is done through the talents/decks you use and itens you buy, it's really similar to league in a way.
for example: If I'm playing Maeve against a team with a lot of projectile champions, I pick my move speed deck to be harder to hit;
If I'm playing against a lot of hitscan champions I use my resistance deck so I don't get as easily melted.
I like this system a lot because it allows you to main a particular character and have the option to adapt to a bad matchup instead of having to play rock paper scissors with your characters like in Overwatch (I really love both games, I just prefer being able to one trick and happen to like card games too)
interesting point of view, one tricking a character and building around them is a cool idea but its just not for me. I respect the opinion but i wanna learn multiple different characters and how they would apply in certain situations as this increases my overall knowledge, very insightful comment nonetheless though
@@lmayo870 I'm the same in wanting to master all but if you just decided to play a character that is countered by the enemy you have a way you can try to survive there still will be overpowered characters and metals like overwatch but if you really like a character that isn't currently good in overwatch you can easily be bullied into playing a meta or counter that you don't like or not good at that's my thoughts on it.
@@lmayo870 one tricking a character is not the same as playing one character for a game
@@lmayo870 using one character for a match isn't one tricking , plus it forces you to adapt and play as a team, the better team always wins in both games I prefer this than an entire team switching just to counter over n over it gets boring after a while cause I'm not getting to play the person I wanna practice with cause there's an direct counter on the other team making the experience not fun
You actually One Trick more in Overwatch.
If you’re using different decks for one character it doesn’t mean you’re a one trick because you have different decks set up for that character.
Overwatch, their system is based on you full on knowing and utilizing their kits. They’re more one tricks, as they don’t really have to adapt their play style much or even have to change it up at all.
Only way to one trick in Paladins is if you genuinely just play on one character.
I understand your opinion. I love this game, but I also hate it sometimes, with the bugs, bad matchmaking, hackers, toxicity, afks, and bugs it has. It has a lot of potential, but Hi-rez just won't support anything that isn't Smite.
i get why people like this game so much but yeah its not for me, i guess paladins is just hi rez's tf2
God I hate smite talk about real toxic.
Smite is garbage now anyway. Hi-rez has really gone down in quality. Many such cases
@@lmayo870 Not even that. Paladins sometimes gets content every so often. TF2 doesn't have any major update since 2017 :(
wish they wouldn't have ruined rouge company
20:34 Fun fact:
A lot of players especially on PC hated that change, which is why Hi-Rez added a legacy option in the game settings.
Which allow it to be more user friendly, and give access to a few extra voice lines like "VVP = Please, VVGN = Nice Job, etc."
dang the voice line wheel lore goes deep
@@lmayo870 yes
I get why people think it's an Overwatch clone a little bit, but honestly the only similarities are that they are both team/objective based shooters with different characters of class types instead of one character that you select the class of. Paladins was in alpha testing before Overwatch was announced, but has gone through SO many changes since then. I've played both games a lot ,and I prefer Paladins based on diversity alone due to talents and loadouts. I also like how you can't just keep switching characters to counter everything constantly. (Unless you're Zhin, Zhin can counter ults)
Edit for misunderstandings: I'm not saying either is a copy of the other, just that calling Paladins a copy is not correct because it was first. They are their own things with similar inspiration. It's not that deep.
i respect your opinion, but me personally i prefer swapping characters to counter cause it forces you to be better at multiple characters not just one. But i also understand the appeal of the different playstyles you can create from builds
@@lmayo870 I understand the preference for swapping but I think locking you to your choice is better because you can be great at one character but it's easy for your opponents to know that character to figure out counters. The different builds help mitigate against easy counters but knowing what your opponents can do and adapting to how is just as important as what you can. I think you would have liked the game a bit more if you played sooner cause they made some changes I don't enjoy too much. I do prefer longer kill time and I enjoy playing support in games and I feel like supports have a bigger impact in Paladins. Flanks are my least played class but my second best character is a flank. If you can find one that you vibe with they can be great but I usually don't use them. I attribute most of your issues to not knowing the game and some exceptionally bad teammates. If I had a chance I would have liked to try to help you, teaching new players is really rewarding for me and the anti-healing change actually made me stop playing for like a month while I processed how much it lowered my enjoyment.
changing champions to counter the enemy team would lead to making some items you buy less valuable, lets say you are playing barik and you buy chronos (an item that decreases all your cooldowns by 10%) and then you switch to fernando since your shield is getting broken too much and you need it to protect yourself. Fernando gets much less value from chronos because his shield is based on a resource that doesn't get affected by the item. Congratulations you just wasted 300 credits because you wanted to play fernando and now the enemy chose to play a flying damage champ and you still got a problem.
You build your team based on what you are missing, not because of the counter play, that's why it takes so long to play ranked, something you shouldn't even be doing if you don't even have half the roster. And also, if you are looking down so much you can buy resilience since it makes crowd control less effective and makes it end sooner. Also paladins lets you play many other champions thanks to rotation where you can play a match with a champion you don't have.
I agree that to a new player this game is confusing with all the loadouts and talents that you can choose, but that's merely for the reason to let you play you favorite champions in multiple ways, and if you don't like that, you can just play them how you want.
I can't reccomend you enough to watch AndrewChicken and the tutorials he made about the mechanics of this game, they are even featured on the game's website, please check them out!
@Lmayo if you wanna be able to pick counters for the enemy team, play ranked.
Also ranked is much better in general, as you get teammates that communicate and usually have the players actually play for the team.
@@dragonhunter2343 the constant changes to time-to-kill is kind of what alienated me from the game. when i started playing back in open beta, i really enjoyed that you could survive some solid hits, and later down the line, that talents and cards gave so much strategic depth to the game. i have good positioning and a good sense for builds, but my reaction speed and poor aim just make it impossible to keep up now that I can be so easily burst down. ironically what im missing in overwatch is sort of the same thing, as it feels like poor aim trumps any amount of good game sense.
Keep in mind that about 50 people keep this game under development.
Which should be about 20-30% of overwatch's team size, depending on which year we are talking about.
I did not know that, I thought at least 100 people worked on this
@@lmayo870 In november 2022, overwatch had reportedly 300 developers working on the game.
So, if paladins doesn't feel polished, its because it isn't.
Indeed, theres legit only one person working on maps 🤨 This game would be better with more resources but Hi-rez doesnt really care about any of its games only Smite
Of course their are not a tripleA company
@@shadowkras but of course
They need way more employees to work in the game and they bit to bit will polish the game
This game was originally going to be a completely different genre, but they changed it to this taking inspiration from TF2. The cards and talent used to be collected from chests similar to how TF2 has weapons you could get. It ended up being P2W. Also, the tutorial is terrible. The devs made a guide for new players outside of the game, but its not the best and was described as a fast solution. Hi-Rez never put that much money into this game.
Ohhh that's actually really interesting, so I'm guessing the devs mainly put their money on smite?
@@lmayo870h the devs dont get to choose where money goes. Hirez is like ill take that gain and we will use it on another project sadly. Hirez is the main company evil mojo falls under hirez.
@@m.s2829 so I'm guessing evil mojo is keeping the game alive which is a bummer, do you know what game hi rez is currently funding?
@@lmayo870 new projects and smite
@@lmayo870 Hi-rez is hated because they let every game die except Smite. Divine Knockout, their newest game, will most likely be left to die in the future. The devs are good though.
anti heal is a great tool in the game cause in late will NOT make healing useless. In fact it makes it stronger, you have to time your heals right to hit your teammates when they are off the anti heal (you can know that by thr color of their healthbar). It gives a massive skill floor to healers, rewarding good players and punishing healbot whitout thinking
I understand the ways of the anti healing now
Best comment explaining anti healing
@@tempest3052 thanks m8
It's necessary, without it every game would come down to support diff.
Loved that you gave the game a try. i love helping new players learn about the game
yep i'll try anything once
I had a span of like 2 months where I didn't play, I just gave new streamers tips.
@@lmayo870 anything?
is it weird that i've never heard of this game in my life
@@TamWam_ not at all. Its only recently coming outta the shadows because ow2 is finally being given up on and big content creators r looking for a new game
I totally agree with all your points. I was a big time Paladins player. Started in the beta. The game has gone through many and many permutiations of itself. If you look at content from random years of paladins good chance you see a totally different gameplay. Even in some core mechanics like the card loadouts and cards in general (OB64 was a notorious low point). They kept evolving the gameplay but never got the possibility to properly polish and remove bugs from the game. To this day this makes me incredibly mad because I saw this game I loved, in which I saw a lot of potential just die over the years. I used to play overwatch in parallel with this and fierciley defended it for years until it just became pointless because corporate greed at hi-rez kept pushing to just add more content and more micro-transactions.
In my spare time I'll look over the different stages of paladins cause now I'm curious, but the game must've done something right throughout those updates for it to afford the changes right?
@@lmayo870 In my case it was hope that they would actually keep promises and work on the technical issues the game has. But rumors are that Hi-Rez never intended to invest more in Paladins (Despite lots of people still playing it for the potential) and just started to work on the next project (that died even before getting launched). Very big missed opportunity because with proper support they would have actually had a very good long lasting game on their hands with Paladins. And if you wanna laugh even harder just google Paladins esports and how THAT shit show went down.
@@lmayo870 Hi-Rez is just simply known for leaving titles fairly quickly, and thus their games always seem a bit unpolished. Smite did well, and over the years they were simply forced to polish the game, even tho it's not perfectly done even now, but it does feel much better and you see improvement over the years imo. Paladins in the beta was fun and had it's quirks that brought people to the game and it kind of grew for a while, it did good at first I believe, but I guess not as well as Hi-Rez hoped for it to do? Paladins got less love from Hi-Rez as the time went by, and the only thing keeping it going is really the playerbase, as Hi-Rez probably cares very little if at all.
They’ve actually been updating the game quite frequently and been doing fairly good with it.
If anything, I’d say when this video released is when they started to put more into the game.
As a Overwatch person, that’s what I mostly played.
I can most definitely say, from the outside view…this game is simply better.
The only thing is lacks is mechanics, but that’s about it. Which overall, even then they aren’t that bad.
Right now a lot of newer people are joining the game, so there has been a large learning curve for a lot of people.
I quit for quite a long while, well over a year, and recently came back. It's still got bugs, but paladins is doing the best it's done in a while. The playerbase is high too. Even right now at 10:30pm it has 10k active players on steam alone, always being between 8k to 10k players daily, and peaking at 12k to 17k players every month of 2023.
They're finally listening, at least a bit
i have 3473 hours on paladins also my account is maxed lvl 999 and i love this game so much i will just say that paladins is the superior game all it needs is just some polish and bug fixes and it would be so much better. you can customize your playstyle to whatever you want imagine a flanking sniper or a tanking flanker and the item shop in a match helps out and so no 2 games will ever be exactly the same even tho you might have the same comp on the opposing team. i played ow2 since it released until now and i can freely say even tho paladins player argue that the game is very out of balanced i beg to differ i'd say paladins is way more balanced then ow2. like come on makoa doesnt hook you when your 10 miles away but roadhog does ... hmmm ... in paladins even tho its a team game and its not reliant on teammates like ow2 in ow2 if your healers dont heal you then your basically dead unless you find a healthpack but in paladins you have out of combat healing to heal you back to full hp and you even have item shop stuff to help you with it. even when it comes to prices or cosmetics etc. its 10x cheaper then ow2 and the skins in paladins is so much more amazing i look at the skins in ow2 most of them look like a recolor of the original outfit even the legendaries only a few look unique but paladins skins have amazing fx and details to them like they look very eye catching. (can watch DaddyMouse videos for skins he rates paladins skins if they are worth for purchase or not) Overall i'd say paladins is better if only it were polished, get bug fixes and if they brought back the old game modes and made it in to arcade mode like ow2.
I appreciate your opinion on overwatch, and I agree that overwatch is not balanced in the slightest. I also agree with the skins in paladins being "better", in a way that some skins alter the way certain voice lines are delivered, being a very nice touch. With enough polish and more care from hi rez, paladins definitely has the potential to become a better game than overwatch. I really like the way this comment was delivered and it really made me think, thanks for the insight homie
@@lmayo870 glad I could chime in on the discussion >< paladins has always been close to my heart and I haven't rly fallen for a game the same way I did for paladins thx for trying the game out :D
@@lmayo870 oh right another thing :o ... i agree the voice command wheel is shit its a "newer version" we older players use the "legacy version" which is actually alot easier to use and the wheel doesnt cover up half your screen xD you can change that in the settings you go to Settings -> Gameplay -> VGS Input Type (Third One from the top) then keep clicking the Arrow till you get LEGACY (DEPRECATED) this is alot easier to use then the annoying ass wheel hope it helps ^^
I've seen a couple comments explaining cauterize but I think yours is the easiest to understand, so thanks I appreciate it
I've seen a couple comments explaining cauterize but I think yours is the easiest to understand, so thanks I appreciate it
The flank role experience is tuff I tell you. As i main this role I had to get stomped so many times before figuring out how to play it semi-decently. If i were to describe what flanks are, it would be squishier damage dealers that trade their HP for mobility, allowing them to take alternate routes on the map in order to diatract or pick off support players. While im completely bias here, I found Maeve (the pink haired girl with the knifes) to be the most fun champion in the game. Still, i wouldnt recommend playing flank if youve just started playing the game, playing damage first would be a lot more optimal. Awesome video overall, wish both Paladins and Overwatch were better games and better organized but what can you do.
Yeah I was thinking that flank in paladins is similar to spy in tf2. Where you need to know the flank routes in each map and take advantage of said routes, that sorta thing
Dude I stomped as flank for like 15 months straight, frequently getting godlike or higher kill streaks and top dmg/elims. I then took a pause from the game for 3 months and a pause from flanks for about 6. I never had fun as that role again. During my pause there were a lot of changes and flank counters introduced and I just didnt want to learn the new playstile. I picked dueling flanks that can outplay like vora, koga, maeve or evie but it just wasnt the same after the caut changes because it completely broke lifesteal and kill to heal, completely obliterating my playstyle.
I'm a terrible player and still my most played character is Evie prob (even got her announcer pack with free crystals)
I have stalled the objective a bunch before. It's fun annoying the enemy. It's not fun fighting evies. And it's not fun when an evie solos you're entire team and never misses a shot.
You described flank perfectly. A squishy Genji would be a flank. Or Reaper. It's a skill diff, to OW damages but it's a good class.
@@lmayo870 i don't even necessarily think it's that, it's more so that the base mechanics of flanks are so much more complicated than the rest of the cast, especially when it comes to cards. having a good card build on a character like Buck or Evie can absolutely make or break how good your match is, regardless of skill level. The skill floor is just too high for most people to get into and the skill ceiling is so high that the people who clear the skill floor make it intimidating for other players.
Loved the video man, personally play paladins and overwatch (although more paladins that overwatch since ow2). A couple of things i might be able to clear up around anti healing, it reduces healing for 1.5 seconds after you get shot so the way to counter it is to avoid being shot for 1.5s and then get healed, it used to be an item that most of your team would buy but with the old item system it was a choice between antihealing or increased damage to shields for each person on the team. It sort of exists to counter pocket playstyles and team comps like pirates (paladins version of GOATS sorta) and add a change of pace to each team fight as the game progresses. In terms of the amount of stuns that happens ALOT when you play a tank - I am a tank main so best i can recommend if you ever play the game again is max out a useful item called resilience as soon as you can! Definitely understand your criticisms of the game, wish hirez would fund it more so evil mojo could move it to a newer version of unreal and polish the design a bit. I can say that if you ever go into paladins again definitely do it with as many friends as want to join cause it makes the early learning stages of the game so much more bearable as u get into it. regardless the video was a very enjoyable watch!
Thanks for the insight on the anti healing in appreciate it, although I don't see myself playing the game in the future, I appreciate the tips for tank
yeah this is a good time to remind everyone that paladins play on UNREAL ENGINE 3! like in know that ow and paladins came out at the same time but ue3 was already outdated at that point
The fact that you liked Azaan made me laugh because on release he was the most broken tank, he was able to solo the entire team with little to no help from your teammates😭😂
Oh interesting
@@lmayo870Not at all.
Shii was treacherous for those players.
You should watch some gameplay. 😭
Here's a deep-down explanation for Anti-heal:
Anti-heal is one of the core mechanics of Paladins, formerly known as Cauterize or Caut. It exists to add depth to the game and create a metagame for healers.
Anti-Heal starts low at first and gets higher as the match goes. How Anti-Heal works is that, when somebody shoots you, you get the status effect called "reduced healing" for whatever amount Anti-Heal currently is, for 1.5 seconds. You also apply the same effect to your opponents when you shoot them. For example, if Anti-Heal is 50%, and you get shot, if your healer heals you for 1000 hp, you'll only get healed for 500 hp if the "reduced healing" effect is active during the heal. Not getting shot again for 1.5 seconds (till the effect wears off) "cleanses" you and you'll be able to get full healing again. Healers in Paladins heal a lot more compared to the healers in Overwatch. They start out OP in early game because they can outheal almost anything, but in mid-game and late-game, you have to be a lot more careful and smart. In early game, big heal numbers are strong, but in late game, Anti-Heal goes all the way up to 90% which basically makes healing nonexistent, which makes Damage Reduction better in late-game (all healers except one have DR abilites)
90% seems OP, right? That basically erases healing from the game. But actually, the whole point of late-game is successfully managing to play around Anti-Heal, its what determines good players and bad players. Its what makes Paladins Paladins tbh.
This mechanic adds a lot to the game. It adds more value, more skill, and more fun for a lot of gameplay mechanics. Shields, positioning, timings, and certain abilites all have new untraditional uses because of this.
First off, there is more to healing then just your healer. Your teammates cant just run around mindlessly and wait for healing, they have to move properly in order to get heals. Your healer can play perfectly but if the person demanding for healing is constantly getting shot they'll get cauterized to constantly and your healer cant do anything to save you. Its not their fault at this point. So, there is as much thought and effort the person RECEIVING the heal has to put as the healer themselves, its a 50/50 team work. This makes it more satisfying to receive heals because YOU also played a role in that healing and not just got saved by the big mommy healer, but it can be a little annoying if YOU are THE HEALER and the teammates constantly take damage and flame you for not healing afterwards.
Shields can "cleanse" your Cauterize. Almost the entirety of shields in Paladins are NOT meant to be used as actual shields, but a tool. If you deploy your shield, you wont get cauterized even if your shield gets shot. So, even if you are under heavy fire, opening your shield briefly for 1.5 seconds and cleansing Cauterize will enable your healer to heal you back up where without utilizing the shield, it wouldnt be possible because of Anti-Heal. Shields have super low hp compared to the Overwatch counterparts and wrecker exists, so you have to use them sparingly, primarily using them to counter Cauterize especially in late game.
Heal timings and different types of heals also find different amounts of value depending on the Caut level and usage. For example, channel heals similar to Mercy's, are super strong in the early game as they can be used more freely, in any amount you please and much more frequently, where burst heals are stronger in the late game because with 90% caut you almost will never get a full 3 seconds of Uncauterized window to heal your teammate with hold-to-channel heals, you just wont have enough time. Rather, you'd just use burst heal abilites on them in the brief moment where there is no cauterize and heal them for the full amount. The power of burst healing. (Some healers have heal over time abilites and some have burst heals, former being stronger in early game and the latter being stronger in late game. Do note that its not a "tradeoff" by any means and they both can work flawlessly no matter the game stage, it all comes down to the player's skill.) This makes healing timings *super* important. If you're playing grover, if you carelessly pop the heal everytime, you'll heal during caut most of the time which will heal like 150 hp, but if you carefully watch your teammates healtbars and time your heals in the brief time windows where they dont have caut, you'll heal a massive 600 hp burst. You can even apply DR with Grover with the correct build.
Abilities. Some abilites find value in that they counter cauterize really well. Skills that make you ethereal (like Grohk's ghost walk) are long enough that your caut will cleanse itself and your healer will have a big time window where you cant get damaged (cant get cauted) but can be healed. Grohk can put down totems and use ghost walk to heal himself to full, during 1v1s, even with 90% cauterize in play.
And one final way to counter cauterize, is a shop item. Rejuvenate. It says "get 30% more healing from other plsyers" in its description, when most players read that, they think the effect procs after caut, so with 90% caut, you'd get 10% --> 13% healing, but no. You get 40% healing with 90% caut. That is a very considerable amount of healing for the late game. It makes heal-over-time heals more viable late game and gives more room for error for burst heals, because the entirety of your heal wont get butchered because you missed the heal by 0.003 seconds. All while making uncauterized heals even more stronger. Do note that the player RECEIVING the heal has to buy rejuvenate. Most of the time, only tanks buy it, except some special cases.
Cauterize also pretty much buffs Flankers as the match progresses, where the big carries happen. Flankers can turn into literal killing machines as the problem of healers are gone.
And one final thing that I should've said earlier, if your teammates' health bars are that yellowish green, they currently have Cauterize. If they have the normal blue health bar, they are clean.
the fact that you spent so much time writing this just for me to ignore it just cause of how long it is would be disrespectful lol,
i highly highly appreciate it my guy i really do, but at this point i've read at least 20 comments explaining what cauterize does in 20 different ways. I appreciate that you went out of your way to do this, and it is beyond helpful. In the very far future where i'll try paladins again, this will be either the 1st or 2nd comment i'll look at to get a refresher on what cauterize does. Beyond insightful, i appreciate it
@@lmayo870😂
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Paladins might be held together by scotch tape and prayers, but the gameplay customization for each champion is pretty good
thats the best description for paladins i've ever seen
As a person who plays both games i find paladins infinitely more enjoyable in general for a number of reasons (The talent system being one of the biggest reasons) i really wish evil mojo had more funding from Hi-Rez, but unfortunately Hi-Rez Is the kind of company to pump out games and Forget about old(er) titles. Paladins has been stuck in Unreal 3 for years due to a lack of Funding, Also evil mojo doesn't want to overwork and underpay employees so there's less Devs by a mile than overwatch.. but honestly I think thats fair given the player count. I main Torvald in paladins and Lucio in overwatch and honestly i don't personally think tanks in overwatch are as fun as paladins tanks, i rather Play Nyx over ramattra. Also Good video btw, really Well put together
I can definitely see the appeal in the talent system and everything that i said was confusing in the beginning, experimenting with custom loadouts was a great piece of customization that overwatch doesn't have. Very insightful comment by the way, and im glad you enjoyed the video
@@lmayo870 Of course! By the way I can see where you're coming from with things being confusing at first, I started playing years ago so I've sort of Stored all the Intricacies of the game in the back of my mind so sometimes I forget how complicated it can definitely be 😅
@@SnappySneeple oh cool I got another veteran paladins player, people say that 2017 paladins was like the golden era and I want to know why, what made the game better back then compared to now?
@@lmayo870 Evil mojo had Loads more Funding so Content got made faster More people Played in general back then, Also the Champions released in 2017 and prior to 2017 are Fan favorites from experience. Paladins unfortunately has had to let go of most the devs from back then due to funding issues, A more recent notable Dev that got let go was thunderbrush (The previous art director) although that was for personal reasons
@@SnappySneeple Wait, when did thunderbrush leave???? i stopped playing paladins last year bc my pc decided to die
For the anti healing, the reason it was added as a passive is because it used to be an item you buy, but here is the thing, it was an absolute must have item, by making caut/anti healing passive, it is no longer an item in a shop, which opens more possibility to buy other items over the anti heal. Also If anti heal did not exist, then support would be absolute meta, there was already a sustain meta that was very annoying to face, so I am thankfull it exists.
Sounds like a lot of HOOPLAAAH
That makes sense. Overwatch is in a support meta rn. They’re the strongest In the game and I don’t think that’s the role of support.
I'm thankful they made item shop more interesting to actually pick stuff from, but like, making it max out at 90% is crazy
it should cap to 70% imo
Still wild to me people think paladins copied overwatch, paladins released before ow. A whole ass year before. Also both of them ‘copied’ tf2 simply based off of them being hero shooters with a payload
That's got my casserole buttered up
It made me sad to see that you weren't really enjoying it, but I understand. It's hard to get into it without someone to guide you, and that happened to me when I switched to OW2. I hated it because there were no damage numbers so I really didn't know if I was landing my shots or if the enemy had DR, and abilities are poorly explained while in Paladins damage values and crowd control effects are thoroughly described for most abilities. Now I play OW2 everyday but it took me a while to learn what to do and what to not do.
I still prefer Paladins gameplay, mechanics and QoL features (like being able to see a feed of all the damage sources that hit you before dying, for when you say HOW TF DID I DIE), but the matchmaking is awful and has gotten worse.
ezzu (the guy i was playing with) has played paladins for a while and taught me some stuff off camera. Even then, i still didn't enjoy the game. I understand where you're coming from though, paladins does have some unique mechanics that have lots of potential
The damage feed has to one of the funnest parts of the game. It's generally pretty accurate but I still remember that one time I checked it after I died and it said I took 999 damage from Raum's cataclysm. There was no Raum on either team.
that's because the game used to tell the last 3 who you took dmg from. Now it's only two. So that raum dmg probably comes from your previous game. It's a known issue. Purely visual. @@tempest3052
talents loadouts and items are the things that make paladins special
and i like grapes big shocker
I personally wrote the game off being an overwatch player till they announced the cancellation of pve and I admittedly got butthurt about it. But I’m now 100+ played already and must say I’m have more fun in ranked paladins then I’ve had in ranked OW since we got OW2
Wait you actually got into games of competitive??
@@lmayo870 ya, my queues are never more then 4 minutes
@@lmayo870 the issue is, there are active hours in certain regions and when there are less EU players, people hop on NA server(and wise versa). You guys probably got unlucky with active hours
The point of cauterize is to have game progression (applies for items too). It forces people to adapt playstyles when the game approaches endgame. As people stated in the comments cauterize / anti-heal gets applied when you are hit with weapon damage and it lasts for 1,5s. It used to be an item called cauterize, but it was so must have that the devs made it into a ramping passive effect instead so that you can have more item build variety as otherwise you'd basically be forced to buy cauterize and use up one item slot.
Cauterize (as the item was called back then) / anti-heal gives the game progression where you need to adapt your gameplay the later you get into the match as anti-heal and items such as wrecker get stronger. This is a very old key design principle that the devs made back in the day that they want to have in the game. Combat gets more deadly as you can't actively be healed through it, but you have to not be hit to first drop cauterize in order to get healed. Alternatively you can buy items such as rejuvenate to mitigate cauterize. Same with shields in terms of wrecker. You will have less and less up time on shields as they get destroyed faster and faster due to increased shield damage from wrecker. These mechanics, however, were developed and designed SPECIFICALLY for siege, which is the main gamemode. This can lead to the other modes feeling chaotic, as you described in the video. Siege is the best gamemode by far imo and the rest is just filler for casual play to have fun in.
Im a last split master player and always like to interact with people about the game as I feel like it is highly underrated as just an OW clone and people forget all the cool and unique things Paladins does. The added depth and complexity from talents, items, loadouts etc. has always been more intriguing to me compared to what OW has going for it, which is why I've always highly preferred paladins over OW. If you have any other questions about the game, feel free to hit me up! I'm called Darkonode in game.
Thanks for the extra insight on cauterize, and I agree with the fact on paladins being more unique than overwatch. Playing one character with no way to alter their gameplay while still being viable, is a feature that lacks in overwatch
@@lmayo870 if cauterize was not in you could 5 stack healers and never die
the thing is paladins came out first its been in production for as long as the day overwatch was made
oh yeah! Now we're talkin!
First you have to customize your own loadouts. They make it better as you can fit stuff to your playstyle but there are some champions who only has some cards that are just overall better.
Second, counters are base on items. If you getting CC, get resilience. If you are going against a lot of shields, Wrecker.
Going against a lot deplorables, Bulldozer.
If the champion name starts with an S, Illuminate. S for stealth.
i made a couple of my own loadouts (if i remember correctly they were for ruckus and tiberius), and i 100% get the appeal in creating your own deck and creating your own playstyle, also i think i understood the whole "counters are based on items" at like the last hours lol
@@lmayo870 it can take 40 hours or even 40 levels just to learn 1 champion because of the cards and items and so on. Some cards are better with some talents. So that's 16 cards and 3 talents.
I played Yagorath the most and she isn't new player friendly at all. She is the most complex champion in the game. She is the kind of hero that is all about positioning or she was until they cut her form swap in half to 2 seconds.
I go for more self sustain setups with self healing and cc reduction because it keep you in fight longer. on some damage reduction can also help.
Items like resilience, haven, life rip are my go to but for support kill to heal can help because you can get an assist and it works.
Wreckers and bulldozer are great for most but some champions reloads every shot 1 by 1 ,Betty and buck, or have a talent or reload ability that make deft hands better, pip and dredge.
@@darkstalkerknight63 bro most champs have like one good deck and talent that is used always and needing to be lvl 40 xd ??
@Joesieyu Seven is his actual name and VII is a code name which is like saying My name is Gee and My code name is G. My name is Cee and My code name is C.
also noticed how Seris is the only one who can't be hit while stealth.
oh and now Kasumi's doll must have a S name
@@blastinnnu trippin?
Thing about cauterise is it either feels like absolute garbage or it feels intuitive, and it entirely depends on your teammates. Caut's supposed to incentivise your teammates to retreat if they need heals instead of just juggernauting and screaming at healers for not keeping them alive. The fact it lasts so short means its pretty easy for a tank to just breathe it off by holding up their shields, and flanks can just retreat and it wears off quite quick.
big dip
they both have their ups and downs, if paladins had the old paladins monetization but kept all the new characters it would be better.
But I still prefer hi-rez as they don't openly admit to being anti-union and are actually good with their employee's (they don't skip out on cash and actually hire new people to pump out high quality content, which is very consistently good during year 10 of smite! They make alot of BIG changes to test the waters, after all it takes a big disruption to see where everything stands. If everything is balanced its way harder to make the meta items not super bad since you need to nerf them so other ones get spotlight time.)
im curious, what was the old monetization for paladins like? and what made them change to this newer style?
honestly i think maybe 80% of video game companies treat their employees better than blizzard lol
@@lmayo870 I haven't checked the new one in awhile but the old one had barely any in-app purchases and most of it was from f2p lootboxes. And the best looking skins were from free events.
Last time I checked the amount of skins were bloated and super pricy. Smite is the same but smites skins are way better looking imo because it changes all the effects and some skins change the animations as well and others might have unique emotes. One of the ones I use has a custom emote that lets you fly on a moon and change the skybox to be a more dark theme, this effect applies to ALL your teammates so they all see the skybox change which looks awesome.
Keep up the good work tho, you make killer content and I hope you do well :)
In ranked there’s a draft system, so you can counterpick your opponent, that’s also why you can’t swap characters after locking them in. Personally i prefer that over being able to swap at any point in overwatch
only a spoonful
Been playing both games for years and the only flaws of Paladins imo are the graphics and slow gameplay comparing to OW, all the rest Paladins does it better. It’s a shame it’s not a bigger company, if it was more polished it would be insane…Paladins hardware on Overwatch software would be the perfect game !! Anyway great vid, nice editing, you deserve more subs ! 😁
i agree honestly, if the game was more polished it could be a great competitor for overwatch
@@lmayo870 It's already a great competitor, the only thing overwatch has is polish and visuals, other than that the game sucks
@@Aaronxxi and faster gameplay
@@ramslife7295 Eh the gameplay isnt faster imo, honestly it feels slower in ow because it doesnt have caut. But honestly if u consider it faster I still consider paladins speed to be better, it’s a good midpoint
@@Aaronxxi Some of the heros on Paladins feel more clunky than on OW
Hi paladins bet here!
As there are loadout cards that heal a ton as well as supports that heal for stupid numbers, anti heal mechanic simply rewards positioning and being able to peel out of anti heal for them to get topped off and go back in the fight. During shield meta’s for example you absolutely wont be able to kill anything without anti-heal. To remove you will need to rework the damage scaling system and the healing scaling system. Previously (antiheal) was a purchasable item with credits that you collect after capturing or getting kills etc, which rewarded flankers and AOE characters a lot enabling them to dive easily and not see the enemy’s hp bar go up while dealing consistent damage. But when you played the game as it currently is compared to how was in the past, its passive now based on how long the match has been going for. it caused a huge meta shake because there is the possibility of getting rolled cuz you simply can’t kill a thing in well coordinated team fights. I tried to explain it as best as i could but there is a lot of stuff that i didnt go into such as shield reset mechanics or damage reduction ratios that different tanks have that make it extremely necessary to have such a mechanic in the game to be able to establish your own will on the game and the tempo. As the game currently stands, it has seen better days i consider giving it a more in-depth play time as the loadout system as it currently stands is one of the most fun things in the game being able to customize the whole character’s kit to your own preference and play style and something that really just feels right !
so what i'm getting at here, is that anti healing was used to prevent repeating pub stomps and a stagnant meta? Which makes sense if thats the case
@@lmayo870 yes exactly! Its consistent as long as you land the shots on the enemy and the effect lasts for 1.5 seconds adding a little bit of mechanical skill to supports as to when to dump all their cooldowns in topping off a low HP tank or a dps that simply has much less sustain compared to a tank making it much more sensitive to play around the anti heal while still being proactive at the game. And it really discourages heal bot support players so thats also really good to see
Ah interesting, I actually like the fact that you can't just healbot throughout the game, so I'm starting to understand the importance of cauterize more and more through these kinds of comments, thanks homie
@@lmayo870 ❤️
This video was funny and well edited. As a person who has only played OW2 though, I feel like you should have shared what you were learning about Paladins more throughout the video
aye thanks, and you're absolutely right DAMN why didnt i think of that
Anti-Healing is a debuff that wears off really quickly but can get reapplied without diminishing returns.
So if a tank just soaks and doesn't take cover, he dies.
If he takes cover for 1.5 sec or so, you can then heal him normally.
It's basically Anas nade from Overwatch but it doesn't entirely stop heals going through.
oh dip
I loved paladins and umped alot of hours in it. Prefered it over Overwatch just for the card system but patch OB61 killed the game for me. Great video! Loved your talking points
What is patch OB61?
@@lmayo870 it's the name of patch that was pushed into the game years ago, and the patch changed paladins a lot
@Lmayo sorry I ment patch OB 64, (stands for Open Beta patch 64) but it was basically the thing that made paladins unique they watered down to be very bland in terms of what you can do with cards. Along with buffs to alreadybstrong characters and a change in monetization. Much more was in it but that's the basics
In Summery of Exactly mean (Didnt point out what's the reason here, so i add little bit of detail so that you understand ob64)
OB64, Hi-Rez Studios introduced drastic changes, following their CEO's push for more revenue through character card loot boxes. This transformed the game into an unbalanced pay-to-win system, making characters overpowered. The community backlash was intense, leading the developer to revert the changes. However, the damage was already done, and many players left the game due to the negative impact of these alterations.
Hence why Paladins lacks funding.
It’s sad to see that i still play this dead game but i love it. Awesome video and it’s your best performing video by far. Maybe part 2? 🙃
sorry pal, but I don't think I'll have an interest in playing paladins anytime soon. I feel so bad for you if you watched this whole video, I hate this video with a passion lol
@@lmayo870 hahaha well then thats too bad for me. cant have everythin. thanks for still responding tho and stay safe
Have 500 hours in ow and 600 hours in tf2. Ive recently discovered paladins and Actually trying the game has me now thinking its the best of them all. Theres just so much room for creativity in most base characters, but especially their loadouts and talents. And pretty much all characters have some way of gaining schmovement, either in their base Kit or through their loadouts.
And the already achmoovinh characters? They can SCHMOOOVE!
Double poppy on bombking? (Poppy bomb is like junkrats mines if they actually had physique and didnt just shoot junkra straight upward all the time like actually what the fuck is that characters mines if he places it above his head he still flies upward wheres the fun in that!?!??)
70% cool down reduction on buck after elim??? (meaning that you gain your giant jump (like winston leap with waaaaay way more air control) back immidtaly after killing someone allowing you to force these rapid 1v1s all around the map!
Termnius hogging rhe Projectiles he gains by absorbing enemy fire with the +10% movement speed per projectiles card + +5% damage reduction per projectiles store card combo making you unkillable and speedy!?!??
And just more and more.
Theres so much room for stuff and so much room for creativity in most characters. The physique-engine is so much better than ow (but worse than tf2 like Come on how can no one get physique like them!?) and the items YOOOOOO LETHALITY ALLOWING FOR +60% MOVEMENT SPEED AND +180% JUMP HEIGHT AFTER EVERY ELIM ALLOWING FOR INSANE SCHMOVEMENT FOR CHARACTERS WITH MOVEMENT ABBILITIES YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Its just ugglier, less lore-full, and BETTER overwatch
This is the most enthusiastic comment about paladins I have ever seen in my life. Respect
I hate the Overwatch mechanic to switch characters all the time. I tried one tricking Doomfist and it honestly feels AWFUL. I had to play against Sombras and Roadhogs ALL THE TIME, I could only ACTUALLY play Doomfist every 20 matches
It's like Overwatch doesn't let you pick the hero you think is the most fun, it forces you to play the most convenient hero for the match, and I think that's bullshit
well to be fair doomfist isn't that good unless you're willing to go through 100 stages of hell lol. Also thats just the tank experience, 5v5 made tanks more susceptible to every annoying thing in the game since there's no off tank, i main tanks so i get your pain
Paladins is way better than Overwatch and it’s not even close
thanks dylan, very cool!
To be honest, this game was a really good idea. Played it for a good bit after I quit Overwatch.
Paladins did 5v5 before it was cool. It also took advantage of its MOBA roots with the Talent system, Card system, and mid-game upgrades, which was cool as hell. I really like these ideas, but my main issue is how they were executed.
Starting years of Paladins were actually quite good despite the game being labelled as an OW clone. I found out about it because of that and tried it out when I saw it was free. Had an odd amount of fun playing Bomb King and Ruckus, but kinda fell off since nothing felt snappy nor satisfying. Not one to judge visuals too much, but I do judge animations quite hard.
A good animation, whether it shows the great strength your weapon has or the many other things it can achieve, can literally make any boring ass weapon cool as hell. Take COD MW 2020, which was a violently okay game, but exploded because of how beautiful the animations were (visuals weren't even the biggest deal). First game to make widescale Godtier animations, and it carried the whole game. Everything felt powerful, snappy, and satisfying, but Paladins lacks this entirely.
I like Makoa, but the way he throws his anchor feels flimsy. His cannon, although big and loud, doesn't do a lot of damage. Many characters share these problems, and it's an odd problem because not many people address it. How characters or weapons "feel" will either keep or throw players out your game, because if your characters / weapons feel like shit, then why use them?
I did come back when I saw Khan cause he was cool as fuck. This was my longest time playing Paladins, which was the period I mained Khan and he thankfully felt strong with his powerful full auto pistol revolver clusterfuck and could throw people everywhere. Absolutely badass character, but the issue is that he was the only character I liked.
This leads into another issue: lackluster kits. Paladins did what OW2 is doing right now but way earlier, which is add a lot of characters very fast. This seems awesome, but the issues are clear as day, even in OW2.
Kits are boring. You get higher quantity, but worse quality. Because of this, a lot of characters were either boring thematically or boring practically. Characters never felt cool until later into the games lifespan when the Paladins teams became more loaded. Even then, the only character I like to this day is Khan, which sucks.
Paladins is a really, really good concept, but its execution is very subpar. Some people got into it, but unfortunately, I did not. Apparently, Paladins had a wide variety of community issues, whether it be rabbid toxicity or whatever the hell. Game just dropped the ball, and it's obvious seeing how niche it has become and how it never really had a big "break". Unfortunate really, but it is what it is.
This was a really good comment criticizing the quality of the game. I 100% agree with your opinion on the animations being lackluster, the only reason why I liked azaan was it was kinda satisfying to constantly hit shots with the hammer. Really insightful comment and I'm sad that I didn't get to mention that in the video lol
@@lmayo870 Why thank you, I appreciate that a lot.
gonna make it big, great editing and soothing voice. subscribed and will continue to watch
I appreciate the kind words homie
Bro straight up jumped to playing flank with 3h experience, that's the hardest role man, demanding tactical experience, mechanics, outplay mentality, outside the box thinking, decision making, map awareness and maps tricks, fast thinking, different loadouts and items depending enemies and allies then yes, flanking enemies😂
Yes
omg as a player with 700 lv on this game, I'm glad you can have fun around the games here :') the matchmaking can be lackluster and im glad you got a friend to hang out with.
Playing with someone else made the game more enjoyable to be honest lol
How did you watch the video and came to the conclusion that he was having "fun"? He even flat out said at one point that he found the game to be uninteresting to him so much so that he would lose interest 20 mins in... The guy was more interested in clowning and ripping the game than actually giving it a fair shot so idk where all this praise is coming from? And I say this as someone who considers himself a professional hater of paladins and hirez.
I think other people have explained the history so I'm just going to say: Cauturaize makes it more important to play strategically. At the start of the game its possible to brute force your way through situations if you have healers (as opposed to utility supports) but the longer the game goes on the smarter you have to play. You cant just constantly stand in the front line even as a tank, you need to take breaks so the healers can heal you efficently.
Youll have noticed there also arent any one shots in the game: Paladins is slower than OW, and most people take that as a bad thing but its a big reason why I like it. Hitting a nasty shot is good, but it doesn't immediately end a duel. You have to out think the opposition to win, not just outgun them.
OH YEAH THATS WHAT I CALL MIRACLE WHIP
Go into settings, fnd VGS and change it to legacy. Its a lot better.
dang i wish i knew that before lol
Legacy deprecated ? Whats that do
"oh i dont like that wheel"
No one does. Only HiRez seems to enjoy the idea behind that damned wheel
hi rez more like orange rez
I've heard before that it takes 10,000 hours to become actually good at something, so where tf this "20 hour" claim came from is beyond me
lol well not "good" but proficient
I think the 20hours is to "learn" something. There is a Ted Talk about this that explains 20h is the perfect threshold for you to learn enough for a result that will make you somewhat proud enough to continue the learning curve upward with more confidence. So the dude in the tedtalk basically says that you should always try to do 20 hours of the thing you want to learn, AT LEAST. 10K sounds more like mastery than learning or "good"
As someone who has 1200 hours on Paladins and tried OW2 for a bit I could write an essay on why Paladins gameplay has more depth to it, but the game itself is still kinda buggy and difficult to understand at first
But things like the item store, loadouts and talents make the gameplay more diverse and adaptable
You don't like anti heal, then buy rejuvenate from the item store or learn how to actually know when to retreat and avoid it
Don't like being stunned into oblivion? Then buy resilence which can reduce effects of cc by 75%
Or if your support's useless you can build a loadout around self healing or buy healing items
But you'd need more than 20 hours to learn all these things which is why it can seem unappealing at first
I agree with paladins being more in depth than overwatch. And i get that I can buy upgrades to help counter stuns and stuff like that, but I don't wanna have to yknow
Paladins > Overwatch stay mad
wop wop
Ahh it takes me back. I've spent 1800 hours on Paladins back in the day before i switched to Overwatch full time.
Dang so I'm assuming you find overwatch better
@@lmayo870 quality-wise yeah in every way. I hate what OW2 has become but you can deny that overwatch is more polished than Paladins.
I loved the flank segment :D
I kinda hoped you'll play evie as well (arguable the hardest champ in the game)
Probably others already said this (and it's coming from a kind of flank main) the class is called "flank" but that doesn't mean you always go for flanks. They are better to look at as a higher mobility dps (there are exceptions of course).
So a better way to think about flankers is to play as a dps slightly to the side and look for low hp targets mainly supports and jump on them if you have a window of opportunity
Thanks for the flank tips, I don't think I have evie unlocked or maybe she was part of the free rotation, idk
Ok so Cauterize, the thing deminishing the healing used to be one of the upgrades you pay for
in the early days you could only get one upgrade per category and for many DPS characters it was probably the most efficient way to do their job, but it was overall inoffensive. Over time you stopped having to pick between upgrading reload speed and tanking heals AND people realized how effective it is. Also healers are very versatile in the game. Pip has been a viable flanking option since at least 2017, same goes for damage Ying and so on, so it became the meta upgrade. Eventually it got so bad you could get yelled at if you didn't go for caut first thing in the match, even with a single shot weapon (with the effect of the upgrade only lowering the heal for one second after being damaged) and important skills to lower the cooldown off, so devs decided to do something about it. They couldn't remove it because a full team of healers could 100% pull a win agins a properly picked team (I've done that, before and imagine if such team actually had a tank to focus on), so they decided to cut the potential harassment / purchasing mistakes and gave it to everyone for free.
i'll have 2 numba 9's a numba 9 large a numba 6 with extra DIP a numba 7 2 numba 45's one with CHEESE and a large soda
God I miss 2017 paladins
I'll definitely look into some gameplay of it, a lot of people say that they also miss the old days of paladins and I'm curious to know what went wrong
This game came way before overwatch
dip
what an underrated channel
Aye thanks man
Hi! I’m the guy who posted the “very helpful comment” about anti-heal (aka cauterize).
I think a big detriment of paladins is that it’s an extremely complex and competitive-catered game, but there is nearly zero official education available for a lot of the complex mechanics that take place. For example, the entire healing mechanic is not that complicated, but still requires an explanation. A lot of new players (I’m assuming yourself included) are thrown into the mess and don’t know anything about:
- Anti-heal (and how it’s applied by any enemy weapon attacks and how it increases over time as the match progresses)
- How to cleanse anti-heal (don’t get hit by enemy weapons for 1.5 seconds, and you’ll get full healing)
- Out of combat healing (don’t shoot or get hit for 5 seconds and you’ll start regenerating)
And that’s just for healing alone. Knowing this means that certain team comps work better in the early game, where high-output supports can pocket their team through all damage, while other comps work better late game if they’re less reliant on healing and shielding. These nuances dictate the pace and flow of the game. There’s so many hidden mechanics that are taken for granted at a high level, but people don’t really learn about it naturally.
oh so there's a lot more mechanics to paladins than i thought. I thought most of the mechanics are mainly the items and loadouts, but i guess im wrong. Thanks for more insight on the game though
the game feels like an AI-generated mashup of every riot, blizzard, supercell, and valve IP. Its mostly impossible to tell whats going so I don't really play it
it sure is one of the games i have played ever
SUPERCELL⁉️💀
you are absolutely right about Paladins, but mainly because it's not new player friendly. It requires too much knowledge to have fun. Once you understand how this game works, it's quite fun and yet still very frustrating to play from time to time due to bugs, hacks, bots, insanely bad match making etc.
you're just describing tf2 lol. But somehow i manage to like tf2
But it was new player friendly once. I remember when I started I picked Grover, who was back then a tanky close distance healer. It was so easy to heal my team by just pressing "Q" and throwing my axe at the enemy. I was instantly hooked. Back then champs were self-explaining like Nando or Seris or Viktor. Now every new champ has complicated mechanics.
even back then many mechanisms weren't explained well. Come back mechanism, diminishing return. And builds were hard for new players because the default ones sucked ball (now much better). However, now there are talents for all, keywoards for supports, which add so much complexity to each champion. half the champions have cc but new players don't even know what resilience is.@@elmercy4968
seems like a skill issue tbh.
NUH UH
Better than giving blizzard your cell phone number
YOO I forgot about that lol
It was probably not better
you are a very smart fellow
i think i found it interesting that lots OW players have trouble enjoying paladins, while a lot of paladins players have trouble enjoying OW.
switcheroo
flank characters in paladins is like genji but his ult never stops
edit: for that stat thing that you were asking at 14:00 it is basicaly the thing that you buy in the base with the power ups thing, same goes for your enemies they can buy it too, the thing you have on you is a decreased healing debuff, which probably was bought by your enemy at the time and itl effect you as you get hit by them
Awesome sauce!
To hit a few points kinda briefly and all at once:
1. Flanks are "support dps", they're supposed to help win duels.
2. Supports are paired with tanks and their healing is supposed to be paired with some tupe of utility like damage reduction or speed buffs. When not with a tank or just for funsies, they can act as another dps- a couple of them are designed with that intention in mind. So cauterize is supposed to be felt but ignorable because your focus is on other things beyond healing.
Thanks for the insight, and yea I've noticed that most of the "good" tanks flank with a support. Also correct me if I'm wrong but I thought flanks were supposed to target the support and then damage and then tank
@@lmayo870 depends on the flank but yes supports/dmg priority then tank
@@lmayo870 Sort of? The problem with that is that supports are designed to be able to fight against flankers or escape them. So you don't want to go for any strict rules in terms of target prioritization but think instead "I target supports to help my tank win the tank fight, then dps so that my DPS win their fights, then tanks because I'm hungry."
Eh I feel like flankers are more like high damage up/massive damage fall off that usually has much better mobility in general than average dps but is terrible at long range unless you play maeve, since you can easily snipe with her.
@@DemiCape That's why I call them support DPS. In an optimal team comp, there are two tanks, two supports, and one dps. The catch is that the second tank and support are more focused on damage than their primary counterparts meaning that the singular DPS has to contribute something alongside their damage. Flanks are supposed to add their mobility as their main contribution. Unlike their non flank siblings, they can hop between fights and add bursts of damage so their team can take Ws throughout the map. Mind you, in any other team comp with more DPS, this changes but the mentality kinda sticks. Never solo as a flank, find a fight and help win.
Paladins developed a year before Overwatch/Titan was in development . Overwatch has taken stuff from Paladins and Paladins has taken stuff from Overwatch through the years as each game has developed, the Original torb ult was basically Vulcan Ult from smite, Mauga ult is Odin +Ares ult from smite. nothing wrong with borrowing ideas and changing them slightly to fit your own game.
man is cookin
funnily enough paladins was in developement before overwatch was even being developed. Paladins coming from a smaller studio of course meant they didnt release sooner so people just call it a clone of overwatch.
oh yey
Dont know if anyone mentioned it but the anti healing used to be an item called cauterize. It caused healing reduction on people you attack.
Since everyone bought it (and some balancing reasons) they made it a passive thing.
I commented this before seeing that you looked it up.
dip
anti heal is called cauterize. Basically it's an effect that last 1.5 after the last shot u received. that effect increase with the time to finally get 90%. Meaning that 90% of the heal will not apply, but it does not stack in anyway, only the last shot u receive will apply to u caut.
Let's pretend u got shot ; caut will apply for 1.5s, if u're not shot again, 1.5s later caut will be gone ; BUT ; if u being shot again within the 1.5s, it will reset the time of caut and u'll have to wait another 1.5s after the very last shot u got.
just in case, you dont HAVE to count 1.5s in your head, cauterize make ur life bar above ur head and ur mates head kinda green (normally its blue) so if ure a sup, u have to wait for caut to be off (or in other words, you have to wait your mates life bar to get blue again) before u can heal anyone, or else u just going to waste ur heal
caut 90% hits approximately at 10min of the game, so in the early u can easly ignore it. And that very same logic explain why 2 supps comps are extremely good in the early game (before the 6-7mins) cause u'll just have A LOT of heal, but after 10min, 2 supps comps are just trash asf cause u wont get any heal
a lot of paladins players dont understand that and thats why they keep complaning about their supps not healing enough but in fact thats their gameplay and game sense that makes them have no heal
good video btw
The point of anti healing is because the supports in this game heal for alot, so to try and move away from healbots there is antiheal. on primary fire hits it is applied for a short time, after that time ends healing is restored to normal, hits refresh the duration.
The job is on the person who wants to be healed to make themselves the time for the anti heal to fall off (could walk behind a wall, put up a shield, or use certain abilities like grohks ghost walk), and on the support to be attentive enough to see when it has fallen off to heal them (the health bar is a different shade of green when an ally is under the effect of anti healing).
It makes for a higher skill ceiling when it comes to being a support and for others it becomes a skill to get out of anti healing long enough to get healed.
If you read through the items in game you would notice there is one to increase healing received by up to 30%, this directly counters anti healing (for example if anti heal is at -50%, that 30% is cumulative so you will be at -20% healing received while under the effect of anti heal.
There is also an item called resilience which reduces the effects of cc (stuns, slows, etc) so to complain about being stunned all the time is kinda void since its head countered by resilience.
They made a new and returning players guide on their website that explains alot of these thins, not in great detail but enough for new players to get a grasp of the various mechanics that make this game unique and dynamic throughout the match and skill levels.
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I don't mind when people like overwatch better than this game (even though it still doesn't feel like you really got a full understanding of it, possibly due in part to not a lot of effort to actually learn being put into those 20 hours,) it's just irritating hearing so many people calling it an overwatch clone when the two games were in development at the same time.
And about the frequent stuns, there's an item specifically designed to make them negligible.
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i have 1k hours in the game, last time i played it actively was in 2021, the game was in a pretty good state comparable to now. i always enjoyed the ranked experience a lot compared to any other games, in paladins you can spend on average 5 minutes in champion select in ranked matches, but every game there is coordination between your teammates, you all discuss who to ban, who wants to swap, who plays a certain role etc. i feel more teamwork just in paladins ranked champion select than in an entire overwatch match, and i hate the fact that you can just counterpick someone in overwatch. overwatch's characters felt pretty boring when i started playing it in 2020 but doomfist felt nice, now in overwatch 2 he is a tank and gets obliterated whenever someone in the enemy team picks sombra, which forces me to play another tank while almost all are boring. in paladins you just lock in your character and if you play well and have a good loadout you will never feel counterpicked. this game is better than overwatch in a few ways, it also feels a bit more competitive, in your average payload game there is not much going on and people play more strategically, having long trades etc. in overwatch i feel like one team can win a teamfight in 4 seconds before anyone even has their ultimates, so paladins definitely feels more slow-paced which i prefer in a game like this, overwatch is such a dopamine rush. sadly paladins is doomed to fail right now and i bet it will be shut down in 2025, they lost their lead art director 2 months ago and the lead game designer left the team 2 weeks ago, they have been reusing the same battlepass for like 4 years or so which is laughable, and since they dont have an art director their art looks terrible now, so the game feels even less polished, like as if 3 people in total worked on it.
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the game is also flooded with bugs i used to see back in 2018 when devs cared about the game, you can have at least 3 slightly game breaking (will probably make you die) bugs every match, or more depending on the hero you play (for example terminus which is probably the most bugged hero in paladins history). almost every character in the game that has an ability with an animation before casting the ability has a bug that when you press the ability, it randomly cancels itself mid-animation and wont work at all. heck even the notifications are bugged, you can get a notification that you got 500 gold from a match and then the same notification stacks and pops up as new the next 3 times you open the notification bar. there also used to be kill cam and play of the game but devs removed it because the camera was bugged almost all the time and they didnt know how to fix it
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ive also seen people complain about cheaters and toxicity in the game, but honestly in my 1k hours of playtime i have probably never met a cheater yet (i play on EU servers for clarification), and the community feels better than overwatch's, especially when you try ranked in both games.
paladins has a lot things to offer that makes it better than overwatch in some ways (i wont even mention the talent and card system because everyone knows that), but its clear which game is playable right now and its overwatch, paladins even runs on an engine from 2007 and instead of updating that the devs made smite 2 with the newest unreal engine, honestly a lot of people are complaining about overwatch since ov2 released and i feel like if there were more people that worked in this game and they actually put time and effort into it, it might have been in a better state than overwatch is, but the devs do not care about paladins and the proof of that is that since paladins released, they made rogue company, divine knockout, smite 2 and realm royale 2, all of these games literally noone asked for while they could have just made paladins 2, i dont see any person that would willingly play smite 2 or realm royale 2, while i feel like a lot of people, including overwatch players would try paladins 2 if it existed, but sadly hirez is a shitty company and they do not care.
tho i think one of the main reasons this game started to fall off is because they were releasing a hero every month instead of fixing bugs and polishing the game, now whilst i really enjoy playing almost any character in the game because the combat feels good in it and even tanks or supports have really fun gameplays, they could just slow down with making the heroes and fix their game instead, it just feels really cheap and buggy.
so in conclusion, this game could have been saved, 3 years ago is when it was doomed to fall already, because they released so many fucking heroes 4 years ago for no reason, and fixed like 2 bugs out of 200, i wish they could have sold their ass to some other company to fix the game and i bet it would even surpass ov2 due to blizzards shitty decision making, unfortunately hirez decision making is even worse and i think you can teach a toddler quantum physics better than you can teach hi rez studios how to fix a decent game with huge potential instead of abandoning it for fucking smite 2, realm royale reforged and new projects which will probably be dead on arrival.
Holy moly this is the biggest comment I have ever seen in my life. To say that this was informational is an understatement, thanks for sharing dawg seriously
blizzard is trying so hard to kill the game that even a game with graphics 10 years old is winning
Lets not say that they're winning just yet
As someone who has no team for Overwatch 2 and is bad at it I gave up playing really early into its life so ima give this game a try see how it goes
hope you have more fun than i did
why ill never go back to paladins over overwatch:
- horrible servers and cheaters(overwatch has em but i met way more playing paladins than overwatch)
- characters are locked behind months of grinding(overwatch has some locked but easy challenges to get them, try them in practice then win some games to learn their role classes not just straight out buy them)
- ranked is dead dont even try unless you got hours of your life to waste
- games optimization is questionable
give this man an award for spittin facts
20 hours is not enough sadly to pick up paladins it needs much much more time to grasp the feeling of customizing builds talents items playstyles combos and approaches to each match against each champion at each particular situation, the feeling of u outplaying 3 or 4 enemies solo due to good preparations, practice, muscle memory game knowledge awareness, cds, ect not one shot or get one shotted ow core consept... gives the most rewarding feeling ive ever experienced again all other games i played before, even though it is buggy and not polished but it is far far more fun and rewarding than most of games out there (and i played alot),while alot of games are well funded as supercars in the car industry paladins is like the sleeper hidden gem supercar gapper miata/civic of video games that only requires time, love, and patience to open up to u.
I understand that paladins has more depth than I or anyone could've explored in 20 hours without making the video an information dump. This video was just to test the waters and see why people like the game so much that they were telling me to play it in a previous video. I'm happy that you like the game and by all means keep playing it, but personally it's not for me
@@lmayo870 i totally understand that i just hoped u play it bit more in ur free time that might give u bit more insight of it as for me i game once or twice in a month due to life and work, and games tastes are subjective and that i love and respect, just wanted u to know that ur experience wasn't near the real paladins sadly, but if you let it go it's totally understandable, few are the people who doesn't mind a game not to be clear and easy to learn on ur face since the beginning.
Don't fuck with Paladins players we are used to normalazing abuse
That being said, in short Caut is in the game to add depth and balance supports. Whenever you hit someone with your weapon they are affected by caut by 1.5 seconds. They have to take no damage for 1.5 seconds in order to cleanse Caut. That's what good tank and supports do. The tank finds or makes cover for Caut to end, and the support heals the tank in that period. Same goes for DPS and Flanks.
Yes the wheel is trash, that's why players use the Legacy VGS system. It is a lot easier and more efficient.
You had a complaint about CC, which is easily solved with Resilience. It is a cheaper item, and reduces CC effects for quite a bit. That scales similarly to Caut, only that you have to spend credits on Resi. So CC is also better early game, and gets weaker nearing the middle and late game. It adds strat to drafting, because if you have way too many CC characters then your team value drops significantly with Resi coming online.
You can't switch characters mid match to counter, that's why there is an item store. The store is there for you to buy items to counter the enemy draft. It is balanced differently than Overwatch, where the balance comes down to counter picks. In Paladins, you are making your draft, that's why you don't pick easily countered characters early in the draft (like Raum) and instead pick it in the later picks if the enemy doesn't have too many counters. As for casuals, it's casuals so you shouldn't take it too seriously anyway. There is a lot more depth to the game that takes a while to notice and get used to, like zoning, comeback mechanic, ult recharge on kill streak ends, CD management and attention to enemies, item store knowledge etc.
You didn't enjoy flanks which is fair but you also played Talus and Moji. Talus is fine, Moji is very underwhelming to put it in a nice way (she's garbage). There's more fun options imo, as well as a lot more mobile ones. Talus and Moji are within the lowest mobility flanks you could have chosen.
You gave it a fair shot which I respect, it is definitely not going to be for everyone. Despite the meme and unfair comparisons, Paladins and OW play very differently and it can be felt. Their game and balance philosophy differs greatly. Plus chances are players will have internal bias when they try the other game after playing one of them for a longer period of time. Like for me I played OW but it bored me so much faster than any other game, especially coming from Paladins where I can play one character in different playstyles with Loadouts and Talents. I also find Paladins characters a lot more interesting than OW. All I can say is there's a reason Paladins lasted so long instead of dying like all the other games when OW was at its peak, especially since Hirez is handling the game lmao. And your furry friend was bound to play Paladins at some point.
I'm sorry can you repeat that
@@lmayo870 Yes of course I can.
In short Caut is in the game to add depth and balance supports. Whenever you hit someone with your weapon they are affected by caut by 1.5 seconds. They have to take no damage for 1.5 seconds in order to cleanse Caut. That's what good tank and supports do. The tank finds or makes cover for Caut to end, and the support heals the tank in that period. Same goes for DPS and Flanks.
Yes the wheel is trash, that's why players use the Legacy VGS system. It is a lot easier and more efficient.
You had a complaint about CC, which is easily solved with Resilience. It is a cheaper item, and reduces CC effects for quite a bit. That scales similarly to Caut, only that you have to spend credits on Resi. So CC is also better early game, and gets weaker nearing the middle and late game. It adds strat to drafting, because if you have way too many CC characters then your team value drops significantly with Resi coming online.
You can't switch characters mid match to counter, that's why there is an item store. The store is there for you to buy items to counter the enemy draft. It is balanced differently than Overwatch, where the balance comes down to counter picks. In Paladins, you are making your draft, that's why you don't pick easily countered characters early in the draft (like Raum) and instead pick it in the later picks if the enemy doesn't have too many counters. As for casuals, it's casuals so you shouldn't take it too seriously anyway. There is a lot more depth to the game that takes a while to notice and get used to, like zoning, comeback mechanic, ult recharge on kill streak ends, CD management and attention to enemies, item store knowledge etc.
You didn't enjoy flanks which is fair but you also played Talus and Moji. Talus is fine, Moji is very underwhelming to put it in a nice way (she's garbage). There's more fun options imo, as well as a lot more mobile ones. Talus and Moji are within the lowest mobility flanks you could have chosen.
You gave it a fair shot which I respect, it is definitely not going to be for everyone. Despite the meme and unfair comparisons, Paladins and OW play very differently and it can be felt. Their game and balance philosophy differs greatly. Plus chances are players will have internal bias when they try the other game after playing one of them for a longer period of time. Like for me I played OW but it bored me so much faster than any other game, especially coming from Paladins where I can play one character in different playstyles with Loadouts and Talents. I also find Paladins characters a lot more interesting than OW. All I can say is there's a reason Paladins lasted so long instead of dying like all the other games when OW was at its peak, especially since Hirez is handling the game lmao. And your furry friend was bound to play Paladins at some point.
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@@lmayo870 My bad I don't speak loud sometimes, I'll try to be a bit louder.
*In short Caut is in the game to add depth and balance supports. Whenever you hit someone with your weapon they are affected by caut by 1.5 seconds. They have to take no damage for 1.5 seconds in order to cleanse Caut. That's what good tank and supports do. The tank finds or makes cover for Caut to end, and the support heals the tank in that period. Same goes for DPS and Flanks.
Yes the wheel is trash, that's why players use the Legacy VGS system. It is a lot easier and more efficient.
You had a complaint about CC, which is easily solved with Resilience. It is a cheaper item, and reduces CC effects for quite a bit. That scales similarly to Caut, only that you have to spend credits on Resi. So CC is also better early game, and gets weaker nearing the middle and late game. It adds strat to drafting, because if you have way too many CC characters then your team value drops significantly with Resi coming online.
You can't switch characters mid match to counter, that's why there is an item store. The store is there for you to buy items to counter the enemy draft. It is balanced differently than Overwatch, where the balance comes down to counter picks. In Paladins, you are making your draft, that's why you don't pick easily countered characters early in the draft (like Raum) and instead pick it in the later picks if the enemy doesn't have too many counters. As for casuals, it's casuals so you shouldn't take it too seriously anyway. There is a lot more depth to the game that takes a while to notice and get used to, like zoning, comeback mechanic, ult recharge on kill streak ends, CD management and attention to enemies, item store knowledge etc.
You didn't enjoy flanks which is fair but you also played Talus and Moji. Talus is fine, Moji is very underwhelming to put it in a nice way (she's garbage). There's more fun options imo, as well as a lot more mobile ones. Talus and Moji are within the lowest mobility flanks you could have chosen.
You gave it a fair shot which I respect, it is definitely not going to be for everyone. Despite the meme and unfair comparisons, Paladins and OW play very differently and it can be felt. Their game and balance philosophy differs greatly. Plus chances are players will have internal bias when they try the other game after playing one of them for a longer period of time. Like for me I played OW but it bored me so much faster than any other game, especially coming from Paladins where I can play one character in different playstyles with Loadouts and Talents. I also find Paladins characters a lot more interesting than OW. All I can say is there's a reason Paladins lasted so long instead of dying like all the other games when OW was at its peak, especially since Hirez is handling the game lmao. And your furry friend was bound to play Paladins at some point.*
@@chameleoncham3911 Auf Deutsch?
I have 1.3K hrs on OW and 1.5K on Paladins.
Rank on OW : Master 1 DPS and Master 2 Support, Dia 1 Tank.
Rank on Paladins : I don't play ranked.
*Now let me add my two cents*
*POSITIVES*
1). The most fun part in Paladins is actually the the card building and how can you mix-max your playstyle, and you're not even bother touching that, so that's a huge miss. Welp, you tried to do that in 20 hrs, so at least you tried. Those decision will affect your DPS (Damage Per Second) and it gives you dopamine boost seeing how the numbers popup changes. For example "Kinessa" used to have a legendary (talent) where you get more damage if the enemy is affected by mines, so running a card with 5 mines is viable, and your whole playstyle will change because of that. There's even a Flank Kinessa build.
2). The most fun role in Paladins imo is actually the Support, yes. This is coming from a DPS player on OW. Support playstyle is very anti pocket healing and more about everything else. Paladins support is crazy fun, because you can actually build the dps playstyle on it, and not just one playstyle for one hero. My favorite is Furia with her stun beam and maldamba. Ying DPS is also fun, there's even a dedicated guide on how to build DPS supports. If you think playing support like how mercy plays is fun, then Paladins really isn't for you. I can't name a single support that isn't in Paladins tbh, even ghrok is really fun if you run the Chidori build with bouncing electricity.
*NEGATIVES*
1). While Paladins is fun in terms of gameplay, the devs really never focuses on polish. Polish on fixing bugs, polish on clunky movement, etc. Most old bugs in paladins are still recurring even to the recent time I played it. I truly believe Lead Programmer or whoever made the decision to halt this fixes to focus on something else is not focused on making Paladins a good game, let alone compete with Overwatch.
2). Hero lock in game and no role selection like in overwatch. It's frustrating when you don't have a tank and you already know it's GG from the start of the round.
3). I've stopped playing Paladins like 4-5 years ago because my disappointment from above statements. Once a year or two I tried to download the game and play it again just to see how much have changed, mostly I just become disappointed and uninstalled it again after 1 or 2 games.
*CAUTERIZE* (The negative healing shit)
- Seeing how stupid mercy buff and Kiriko suzu, I hope there's caut is actually added in overwatch. OW2 is slightly better since there's only a tank and goats are not a thing, but it's still annoying. If your team or you not playing a Hit-scan to shoot the mercy, then it's GG. Kiriko suzu is retarded, literally much better than bap's immortality. Suzu literally counter all ult, all fucking ult. it's fucking retarded. In OW2 support is not as fun as DPS. Kiriko is fucking busted, LW is useless, Ana is useless in high rank since everyone will counter with Kiri, etc.
- In Paladins at least, all this Support can adapt their playstyle to fit the late condition of cauterize, even if they have to go DPS. Support playstyle is very anti pocket healing.
Extremely insightful comment from a person with great experience in both games. I knew about the card system and stuff like that, I just took that part out of the video because i thought it would drag the video on. And I agree with the anti healing, pocketing in overwatch is pretty stupid and anti healing would prevent this and make a much more interesting experience, although I think it shouldn't go all the way up to 90 or 80%
@@lmayo870 Yea 80-90%, maybe that's too much. I haven't played Paladins recently so I don't really know the exact recent experience, I'm not surprised if it's as awful as you said. In OW we have ana's nade to counter those pocket healing playstyle, but we have Kiriko suzu now to counter anti. Not just anti, but literally anything. CC, ult, dmg. Kiriko is goddamn busted. At least with bap immortality you can only counter damage, not cc or anti, but suzu is on another level busted.
Anyway, cool for you to actually try paladins out and have discussion with the community.👍
The anti-healing in paladins used to be a purchasable item used that when you damage enemy players the healing they get from teammates is less but they made it built-in the point of it is to make the game go quicker and if that didnt exist people wont die in the game
it depends what stage you are in the match
like if u didnt capture anything 25% when the payload spawns raises and goes on till its 90%
and that doesnt make it always anti-healing.
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It isn't a ow clone. The making of paladins started before overwatch
my mans spittin facts
I mean… you did summarize why my friends have a hard time trying to get OW friends to give Paladins a try. There’s a lot of information that just isn’t exactly explained and is learned via osmosis of playing.
Going in with an OW mindset also dampens the feeling. However the people that gave it a try from a moba background liked it more.
Instead of characters being hard counters to each other, the items are designed to counter the strategies or how the game is going.
Cauterize originally was an item but everyone bought it flat out so they just integrated it into the game.
I think what about it that people end up enjoying about Paladins is that this is very much the game experience ends up being what you make of it.
Personally playing both OW and Paladins, and I don’t have as much fun in OW as I do in Paladins.
OW I get more upset at my own teammates as game goes by because of how gameplay is, I end up just feeling stuck. There’s only so much a support can do.
Likewise Paladins a support can end up being the reason why a game turns around. Grohk, Pip, and Seris can do a lot of healing, but they can also consistently put damage. Support also have a lot of CC, which technically gets countered by Resilience (Item shortens CC effects)
Overall, Paladins has alot of depth, Overwatch relishes in its simplicity.
Maximum enjoyment of Paladins ends up with people who figure out the depth of Paladins and what they can do. None of the characters are essentially locked in what they are capable of, like Ruckus is best played as an Offtank/Brusier but he has a point tank/main tank playstyle but it makes his job harder.
Also.. Flanking in this game takes a different mindset. You got mobility and damage over survivable sustain. As my friend puts it, Play like a little bitch. Or guerrilla warfare is the way to go.
It’s shame you won’t give this game more of a chance, but I do understand why you feel the way you feel
the way this was worded reminds me of the warframe vs destiny debate. Warframe is a more complex and in depth game, while destiny is more simplified but a much more greedy market. If you dont know what im talking about then im sorry, but i get where you're coming from
It's funny the Cauterize thing is an issue seeing as that's now a passive of every DPS on Overwatch 2 by default.
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Since Paladins is a moba, it adopted the moba commonality where heals are passively anti healed when out of combat. This is to encourage finishing fights and not running away to get full healed. Essentially, this makes healers only effective when the target already has an incoming source of damage.
oh interesting, i don't play mobas so i didnt know that that feature was a moba thing, good to know
@@lmayo870 I was actually thinking it might be a good idea for overwatch to test adopting this. Maybe allow for DPS to heal over time out of combat but for like 1hp/s. Then nerf healing for any individual who hasn’t taken damage within an “x” amount of seconds. This would help alleviate the current, rampant support meta that Overwatch has placed themselves into.
Fun Fact: Paladins used to be VERY different. Literally you would get these chests that would have the cards in them, yes the cards and your ability to rank up... were tied to loot boxes... Literally no one liked it and yes it was essentially pay to win. Cauterize (the red plus mark) used to be an item you could buy during the match, and yes, it felt awful then too. Not sure what the new system they have for it, but tbh it looks awful. Might reinstall and break my balls for a few hours, see what is new.
make sure to wear some ball protection
Coming from a hardcore Paladins fan, since 2015, I only play OW now. You did a decent analysis but you're correct that it will take 100 hours to fully understand the game.
I definitely wish they had item or talent swaps, instead of hero swaps mid game. But this game is more about planning and focuses more on team play. OW has enough ppl who heal themselves, and there are health packs, so a game can be won without a healer. The ONLY way that can be done in Paladins, is if u have a sweaty Androxus, Maeve, or Evie who is playing on PC. Usually anyone who plays flank on mouse and keyboard, are top tier.
The long que times do suck, but they were way worse. Used to be 10,mins to get on a game. Also the trash community who think they kno the best way or "meta" loadouts and talent each champion should use. So ppl Wil throw a ranked game if u choose a talent they dnt think u should, even if it's the best way thag u play with that champ. I think that's the real reason they took the Cauterize item out, and made it a part of the game; some ppl who go the entire game without getting cauterize, and others would complain.
Everything that you mentioned here has been an accurate representation of like 35% of the comments lol
people already explained, but cauterize used to be one of the items, so your primary weapon shots gets you more in combat kills, as enemy cant heal while they're fighting you. They have to hide for 1.5 seconds, then they can be healed properly. Pip, the fox dude was so good if people didn't buy cauterize. Youre super agile, they're slowed, taking 840 damage per shot, while you're just bouncing around, if you get low health, just heal yourself for instant 2000 health and yeah... You could just wreck people with pip, especially in low to mid ranks. If people bought cauterize 3 which is 90% heal reduction, then pip as flanker got pretty fked, as now you cant heal mid combat, your 2000 heal became 200 heal.
Everyone bought the item so they made it part of the game and added a new item. But that was at the point game was going downhill and people on mass leaving due to bad servers.
healers in paladins.... can heal. So if cauterize wasn't there, then 1 tank and 4 healers would be the meta for sure, as supports can dash out good damage and heal a lot. Youd literally could only get kills with oneshot abilities or singling out an enemy to a 1v1 hoping his team doesnt come there.
I can make a history class about cauterize with all these comments
@@lmayo870I can make a history class about all of your replies in this comment section👍
@@DemiCape you know what you probably could lol
paladins is like if overwatch was a fever dream. it just feels chaotic in a good way. It's fun to go back to every once in a while but it gets boring quickly. That's how I personally see it, at least
i personally think you could eat a whole onion
@@lmayo870 ? How am I supposed to feel abt that??
I'm like really late to this, i quite much agree with a lot of your takes on the difference between the 2 games. I have around 100hrs on OW and i have 2k+ hrs on Paladins.
Hi-Rez as a game developer is just sad, paladins is a game with a lot of great potential gone wrong. The graphics comparison says a lot too, for a game that's been around this long you would probably assume it must've been getting better but nope they don't give a fuck.
In terms of gameplay i personally enjoy myself a good movement shooter that lets me get away for not playing with perfect aim. I realised you didn't like playing the Flank role at all but maybe that's because you're not particularly used to the 1v9 assassin'ish gameplay which is the most fun playstyle. Something i adore Paladins for is the fact that almost every character in the game can be played as a DPS. I read in a reply comment that you're not a very OTP kind of player which i understand. This makes it definetely a lot more grindy since you don't quite know what's good and what not and there's a lot of complexity behind loadouts and itemisations and team comps in general besides the standard HAHA 2 dps 2 tank 1 healer. For example you were wondering about the Furia weapon there, its actually more incentivised to run furia as a hybrid DPS support rather than a main healer because of how her passive works, which also brings back to the point i was making earlier. It would be more realistic to compare Paladins to a movement shooter with MOBA elements rather than another "Hero" Shooter i'd say in terms of gameplay. Supports are not just Heal Bots with only 1 pupose which is Heal and CC. :)
Now then the big cauterize situation. *Sigh*, not sure what this was for either they just wanted to change some stuff up ig? It used to be an item that was bought but what would happen is if someone snowballs really hard they end up rushing caut 3 at 2-0 and now its almost impossible for the enemy team healer with chronos 1 and 10 deaths to heal completely throwing of the pace of the game. There were definetely better alternatives to go about this but eh, They just made it a passive thing. But on the upside anyone who knows how to play the game would avoid damage and retreat to get healed. It's a common concept that if you want heals you yourself must fall back to it and not let the support mis-position to pocket you. So overall in higher ranks it doesn't really do anything tbh. Items like Wrecker and Haven are more BS imo.
Characters are meh, its not the worst thing about the game but not the best either. I believe after Vora's release the game really went to shit, they just started pumping character left and right which makes no sense to me. Also i recommend anyone that plays the game to use Legacy VGS instead of the wheel. You mentioned that voice lines were meh but fyi every skin comes with a different set of voice lines and even sometimes are even different voice actors. I have yet to find a game that honestly changes up the vibe of characters that much yet outside of Paladins which was pretty amazing and felt good to collect skins.
I do agree comp takes too much time to setup but then again so does other MOBA's so like not much to say about that besides maybe they shouldve been stricter with dodgers? Comp takes longer depending on region and time and your overall MMR, q times are fine in Plat + for the most part.
Not being able to switch champs mid game is a concept i don't understand that well. This is a concept i've never seen out of Overwatch and is one of the reasons i find overwatch gameplay boring. In Paladins you have 5x the amount of champs than overwatch so rather than the common rock paper scissors counter matchups its more about team building. I've mentioned this yet again but its avidly more similar to a MOBA.
Well this was sorta long huh. I guess all i would say is Paladins is by no means a great game but its still a fun game to play with people. But if its not for you ig its not for you.
This is coming from an ex-paladins player XD.
very insightful comment man i appreciate it. I understand where you;re coming from with a lot of your points and i agree with a good amount of them. Im just happy that you arent shoving your opinions down my throat like a lot of other paladins players. You're right, im not an OTP player but i used to be, just kinda got boring after a while i guess. I didnt know characters had as many voice lines as they did in the game, or even some skins change that up (or maybe i do and i forgot idk i made this vid a while ago). Im glad you agree that some of the character's personality is meh though, yeah they got lots of voice lines but what does that matter if they're not executed well? Quality over quantity. You were spitin facts though, really glad i took the time to read your comment brotha
Haha is cool, always nice to see someone hate on a hi-rez game. I know its not your niche but i would love to see another video like this from you where you spend hours on trying out popular games from different genres, pretty dank stuff.@@lmayo870
for a small channel, you've got some pretty good editing my guy! Audio isn't bad either, could be better, but it always can. Even Tucker Carlson has audio problems and that guy's a millionaire with musk on his six. Anyhow, it's good to see some good ol' palman's gameplay, thanks for putting it up
Lol funny you mention audio, this video had such bad audio the first time I had to re edit it a couple times, but thanks for the kind words
Ed, he’s a good damage dealer as well. I’m really not a top he’s all-around just a great character but you got to stay at a distance to be fair most of the the best style I found and I just unlocked him. Yesterday was the talent that increases his damage the further you are away, which he’s really a sniper with acts yeah with an ax and it does a lot of damage and you can still get the hills off.
ed boon? creator of mortal kombat? thats the only ed i know, except for maybe ed edd n eddy
WE SHOULD TALK (no joke)
You can play paladins for hours in causals, but once you get to ranked you have to know which builds work. And what champs work on which maps. You also have to know which builds are good. Like tigron's fury is the only good build in ranked for tiberius. And Bariks only good build in ranked is fortify.
Man the paladins meta go crazy
@@lmayo870 some builds are better then others, since flanks have low HP, but of the time you want some kind of speed boost, or damage reduction, and more health. As for healers most of the time you always want chronos 3 to heal faster.
After the pve news one of my OW friend groups jumped ship to Paladins (melodramatic fuckers). So, I downloaded it too. I think my first impression of this overwhelmingly janky game was that I was enjoying its novelty. I'm a Lucio main, and got addicted to Evie because her kit is GOATED.
- The card system: It allows you to talor your kit to your own playstyle. I like it, but prefer OW's simplicity. In OW you form a relationship with a hero's kit and it allows for better clarity in ult/ability cooldown tracking.
- Item/perk system: I can see it leading to unnessasary disadvantages in game. For one, the team that plays better earns more credits. This gives them an advantage when they were already winning. Say youre getting cc'd a lot, you essentally have to upgrade cc resistance which puts you and your team behind in the "credit/item economy" relative to the enemy team. Also, there is so much cc like wtf.
- Seige: It is literally the only good game mode. It is also phenominal and I really wish it was in Overwatch.
- Polish: OW. Visual and auditory feedback matter.
- Store/cosmetics: Yes, fuck Blizzard, but also where are these crazy ass skins I keep seeing Paladins players talk about? Also, I stopped getting lootboxes like 3 days in and its gonna take me at least a few months and 69billion commercials before I get enough diamonds for a single skin (OW2 moment).
OW > Paladins
idk why i wrote a whole ass essay. I was bored okay? lol
I ain't reading allat
These are pretty much the exact things I've said to most people lol. So I agree with pretty much everything you've said here, the "crazy" skins people were talking about were the ones that change the character's voices which is a pretty cool feat honestly
The anti-healing has a LOOOONG history
basically, there's always been an issue with healers doing FAR too much healing, but the damage champions do SO much damage that the healers need to be able to burst for very high numbers
To counter the healers' OP healing, they added an item called Cauterize that would reduce healing on targets you hit with your primary weapon for a short time, forcing that person to hide temporarily in order to get a proper heal. After a while, every single person in every single game was buying Cauterize because the game was simply a loss without it. Eventually, Hi-Rez just added Cauterize as a passive effect that scales throughout the match. It behaves essentially the same as Cauterize did as an item. So basically, rather than rebalance every single character's stats and numbers, they just reduce healing throughout the match, and the rest sorts itself out. It's a surprisingly effective fix for how dumb it sounds. You have to understand it to play around it, but if you DO learn how to effectively escape the anti-heal as a tank, you will get a lot of love from your team (especially your healer, who appreciates it massively)
Paladins is an extremely fun game when you understand wtf is going on. It's far closer to a MOBA like DOTA than it is to Overwatch. There are hundreds of different ways to play each character between your items and loadouts each match, and the talents just further expand that, though not every talent on every character is good, or even viable in actual play. This is, however, an understanding that all long-time players have. Every character and their cards and talents are ever-changing to help move the meta in another direction. There are hard counters and soft counters to every character and there aren't any characters that aren't worth playing if you're willing to get creative. Healers can do incredible damage if played correctly, tanks can play off the point and some can even heal your flanks. Damage characters can be played in all sorts of positions, not just the backline. It really is an infinitely creative game and THAT is where the fun is.
I don't like overwatch because the characters are rigid and must be played a certain way to be effective. Mastery of a character just means you play them just like every other person who plays that character at that level. In paladins, I play characters in unorthodox ways that enemies aren't used to, and it catches them off-guard. I love that about it. It's not for everyone, but it isn't a bad game. The devs are STUPID, but they made something genuinely good and they do an ok job of keeping it just enjoyable enough. Lol
dont get me wrong i think the creativity and unique aspects of paladins is 100% its strong suit, in my opinion i just didn't think it was excecated properly but thats also the dev's fault lol. To be honest if the game was better polished and had a team behind it that cared about how wacky the game is, it would be a lot more enjoyable to me and lots of other people. I feel like the crazyness of this game could rival that of tf2, mainly because there is so many different ways to approach an enemy and lots of playstyles for one character. I respect your opinion but i still think the game isnt for me, and it probably will remain that way for a long time
Overwatch developers finally started playing Paladins ;D
Wait really?
If, in the end, he says that my game is good, my lizard brain will give it a like and subscribe
I hope that you didn't subscribe to my dead channel
Genuinely shocked to see that you're under 1000 subs. Quality content dude, keep at it.
ayeee thanks for the kind words homeslice
Used to love playing Paladins, since I didn't have a system (or good enough pc) for Overwatch having a game similar to it gave me lots of enjoyment.
Even though I feel like I couldn't do good in the game anymore just like with SMITE (another game from the company) and the fact they got so many great VA's for it made me all the more happy.
have you tried overwatch yet or do you still not have a good system for it? i'd like to know what you thought of the game compared to paladins
@lmayo870 did play a bit on my gaming pc that I've had for the last few years (could also play it on my switch but haven't done so yet)
Aside from not being great at not being aggressive in almost every game I did enjoy it pretty well.
I know people in the comments touched on it more but the anti-heal used to be an item and was so overcentralized that not going it was literally throwing so that's another reason why it was added that I haven't seen touched on
trust me people have said this at least 20 times lol
I played Paladins for a bit and made a video of my experience. It was fun. 👁️👄👁️
....9,000 HOURS?? Thats like more than 20
My first two mains so far into the game have been tiberius and azaan. Bro just like me fr
Gonna try VII next, his mag dump plus the reload buffs basically mean constant spammage and I love it
Daaangg we related
If you go with VII always stick with burst mode unless an enemy is in your face, especially when using his tribunal upgrades talent, the extra electric damage is worth it
Paladins is my overwatch quick play form a paladins enjoyer 😊
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