How The Substitution Jutsu Breaks The Naruto Universe
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- Опубликовано: 2 апр 2023
- The Substitution Jutsu is a staple of the Naruto series, but it breaks the Naruto universe. This jutsu is absolutely overpowered and most of the times it's used as a Deus Ex Machina jutsu for characters to escape certain situations. Kakashi used to spam this jutsu in the Land of Waves Arc and the jutsu was used a lot during the Chunin Exams. Sakura also spammed it in the Forest of Death to fight against the Sound Village team.
Kishimoto realized this jutsu was a mistake, it shouldn't be as powerful, so he decided to use it way less in Naruto Shippuden. Let's explore the problems with this jutsu for the Naruto story.
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What's the best type of substitution?
Wasn't it sasukes rinnegan ability XAXA
Akamaru's Bone or Bee's Tail thing.
Or the Storm 4 one where Naruto Subs with like a Kurama Plush because that's funny.
Orochimarus because its not really a substitution
Ninja storm substitution
Obitos teleportation jutsu, just substitute yourself with a bomb and boom, enemy explodes while you're teleported far away
I guess Neji must have skipped the substitution jutsu lesson back in school
🤣🤣..makes sense ..dude needed to tank kidomaru's arrows in order to strike him
I was thinking something similar. Could've used it in the war.
@@patsander5634 Neji should've died in that fight instead of getting sniped by Obito.
The jutsu probably won't tank high level attacks and go through it then hit the person you try to protect. 😂
Special place in hell for u sir! 😂
Imagine when Naruto and Sasuke finally got Kaguya at the end of the series she just poofs into a log and bodies them 💀
humans in the naruto world have made a lot of broken techniques. for example the flying thunder god seal minato used. if it was in hands of naruto sasuke or even sakura would be an absolute menace of a thing to fight against.
minato lacked the heavy hits those 3 can punch.
sakura's weakness is that despite her having monstrous strenght her taijutsu just sucks and her speed is bad. but if she littearaly can thorow a kunai at your side teleport and punch you. mark you with the seal then teleport again repeating the punch you are just dead.
if sasuke has it he can put a hole through the enmy with an instant chidori. and naruto could hit you with a melee rasenshuriken.
it was one of those techniques that also got written out due to being obnoxiously broken. minato was borderline the most usefull person in the war he saved their asses several times.
🤣🤣
Sakura POOFS the Substitution, then all 3 look down to see Kaguya, preparing to annihilate them.
@@ViltrumiteIsRite99 Damn. I literally forgot Sakura got a hit in there before they sealed her 😂👌🏻
Good thing she didn't know what jutsu was
@@sebagomez4647 I dont think sakura would be able to use it. Minatos reaction time is insane as well. Dude reacted to the raikage. With instant teleportation at some point the speed of your reactions is what dictates how fast you are. And also he was just normaly super fast as well.
Jiraiya, seconds away from dying remembering that he could've just used the substitution justu: 🗿
Or just use reverse summoning...or put the old frogs to summon him and then get him to the villiage
It was done for plot purposes@@nicolas._.2294
@@nicolas._.2294 every death in naruto be like
Don’t those rods absorb chakra, and why jiraiya and Naruto almost only use sage energy
@@starlitee just use the substitution jutsu to avoid getting hit by the rods 🗿
The thing is it essentially makes you immune to any attack once. So basically it's like a free life. Every human would use this before they left the house. It would be like wearing a seatbelt or something
I think it’s sort of implied that you gotta cast it just before you get hit.
@@stevefilms1997It's kinda like OP was implying it was automatic defense or something.
You are using the Transformation Technique on a log or anything else before you get hit, the object gets hit and you gtfo. You can only do it when they lose track of you more an instant, like when lee closed his eyes from pain fighting gara.
Dream bro. Have you ever dream you in a life and death situation and bam you woke up.😂
Not how it works
The substitution jutsu has always confused me. Does it teleport the characters, because if so, everyone has access to space-time ninjutsu. I think jutsu that teleports is supposed to be rare.
To be fair..... Everyone already has space time magic. Due to summoning contracts
it's not teleportation it's body displacement it's explained in the manga and databook
@@allancesar6718 right except we saw people replace themself with wood when there is no wood around
@@adam-dn3hi still doesnt make it teleportation
@@1BuFo it quite literaly does
there is nowhere for them to get the wood from
and they are in a completly open area
that shit could not physicaly be done by anyone in the series
this is teleportation
The funny thing is that the poorly-thought-out nature of the jutsu was immediately apparent in the Naruto games. It wasn't until the later Storm games where Subsitution had its own resource instead of Chakra did it start to feel remotely balanced lol.
Once you learned the timing, you could just spam the shoulder buttons and never get hit.
@@Potato_Quality7 but you would need to learn the timing for every attack, it had a lot of skill involved, when you stop to think about it, sakura just spaming it was just stupid...
I stopped playing that game because at some point I realized it was basically "who runs out their substitution first" the game...
@@marxist-leninist-protagonist true. It makes me sad watching "pro" players talk as if depth means anything if you just constantly rush your opponent
@@tribopowerit was pretty easy to do.
I have also always had a problem with the substitution jutsu. It just always seemed weird that it's clearly a space time ninjutsu but it's E rank despite every other space time ninjutsu being S rank.
It might work like the body flicker instead, though. Doesn’t have to be time-space.
It's a lot harder to use. They are using the Transformation Technique on a log or anything else before you get hit, the object gets hit and you gtfo. You can only do it when they lose track of you more an instant, like when lee closed his eyes from pain fighting gara. If they don't hit the substitute then presumably it would just stand and go nothing.
@@midgetydeath except body flicker is a d rank jutsu which makes no sense
It was never stated to be like ST Ninjutsu. In ch7, it's strongly implied to be a two-way body flicker. The user propels himself towards an object's direction, and the object is launched in the opposite direction towards the user's original location.
@@arthropod-doctor that makes 0 sense because we can see it being hit from every side and angle possible there is no way to get it inside or yourself outside without actual teleportation. This is god-tier magic spell avaible to everyone. In shippuden author forgets it exists so scenes like sasuke getting very hurt can exist.
My biggest problem with substitution-jutsu is that it isn't an evasive ability, it's basically a time reversal/retcon/genjutsu ability
True, its basically izanagi but anyone can use It for basically no cost
Armless Deidara substituting out of Naruto's Shadow Clones while being grappled and pummeled is probably the dumbest way I've seen it used so far.
I agree, I think that the substitution jutsu should only work when you're either freed up from any sort of attack or are able to simply physically overpower your attacker. Like how Kakashi substituted out of Naruto's clutches during the bell test, he's probably just strong enough to escape his grip. He was basically toying with naruto there.
Ya how he got away from team guy. ...lol
@@bigjayiv
I agree. Makes sense that Kakashi would be able to do it against them easily because he's so much stronger and faster. But, against opponents relative to you and your speed, they should be able to see you, or stop you. Unless everyone just moves faster than everyone can see, which isn't really the case lol. Maybe the exception to that would be dōjutsu.
But my take is that it should definitely be prepared beforehand, and it needs solid limits. It should not be Spacetime Ninjutsu or Kamui. At that point, it should be a much higher-ranked Jutsu. I honestly thought it was hilarious when Dygo pointed out that Kawarimi and Amenotejikara are practically the same thing. 💀
I think he subbed out before he hit the ground but then he bleeds from his nouth and im like tf is going on here
@@1BuFo that’s bc it was an anime mess up. In the manga he only gets hit once and subs
"Even kakashi was spamming it so it means that it REALLY DOESNT REQUIRE CHACKRA" line was funny and sad.
Doesn't Kakashi have a decent chakra pool? The sharingan mismatch just drained it
@@1001011011010exactly. Even when covered it drains his chakra
@@1001011011010 by the time you get to the war arc he's fighting and using jutsu nonstop lol
Be honest chakra limits are more of a plot device than a actual in universe mechanic.
@@Remijoh everything is a literal plot device in any manga, book, or show.
I like the idea of Rock Lee learning just Kawarimi and through intensive training becoming a legendary godlike Kawarimi user, and because his taijutsu is so high level, he can make signs without the opponent even noticing. Combo this with his natural speed and now we have a viable character to finally bring back. BUT NO, EVERYTIME WE HAVE A OPORTUNITY TO MAKE LEE BADASS THEY DITCH HIM.
They hatin on real niggas as usual
Because they can't keep pulling magic powers out of their asses with physical strength. It's like having smart and well planned out battles instead of just huge jutsus.
@@justiron2999 MASHLE
He’d be the realest Ninja
I think too being the eight gates master takes years of attrition and building the body/spirit to handle it. At least that's my head cannon
Personally, if I had been in Kishimoto's shoes, I would have revealed at some point that substitution jutsu is really just a basic trick that most adult shinobi can predict and counter. Maybe it requires a specific setup that can be spotted if you know what you're doing, maybe it indeed relies on speed so that any character faster than the user can just outpace it or something along those lines. Then it is framed as basically similar kind of excercise as playing flute was in our elementary school music lessons. It's not gonna be of any use by itself when you're grown up but it taught you the the principles you can evolve further. After Chuunin exams basic substitution would be basically useless and after that characters start to develop versions of it that are harder to predict and counter but are also much more difficult and costly to use. Some rely more on genjutsu, some rely on raw speed, some use trickery like Orochimaru's snake arts and so on. And on the top of them there are the hax substitutions that excel because they don't have those drawbacks or requirements.
im pretty sure that was the implication. this video doesnt need to exist
@@sonic-bblmao what a dumb thing to say. Feel like you can justify a lot of plot holes like that
@fellowmemer5693 what was even the point in your comment?? Want to talk about dumb things to say? Lmao.
What's dumb is this video and all you idiots. Substitution jutsu was never overpowered and never implied to be. We literally see them learning it AFTER learning shadow clone jutsu. They even mention how you can use the shadow clone to transform things to look like you to trick opponents. The whole purpose is to anticipate an attack, and use the illusion ahead of time when no one expected you to do so. Then when THE CLONE gets attacked, we see that it was an illusion the whole time.
It's not instant transmission. And an experienced ninja would have seen through the illusion or seen u slip away because of their hyper awareness. That's why you hardly see it used in high rank fights and why it's considered an E rank ability
@@fellowmemer5693 Naruto fans are blind
@@sonic-bbPain literally used it to escape Jiraiya's hair grapple, with the log and everything.
To those wondering where all the wood comes from, of course everyone carries a few pieces of logs. This is why most of them often gets short on shuriken. You can't have carry that much if you are hauling a few of those logs.
no dude
I always imagined the timer on substitutions in Ninja Storm 4 was for your off screen characters furiously carving wood to make more substitution logs.
Sealing scrolls.
@@detective2221yes bro
Ninja Tools
Sealing Scrolls
You can do summoning to objects in preparations set
Imagine Hidan's frustration if everyone keep spamming substitution jutsu
Not until they start to run out of chakra and Hidan starts playing they waiting game exhausting their chakra and attacks when he have the chance.
(Edit)
Unless the person is a tail beast, Madara or Hashirama or an Uzumaki clan who have large chakra pool they can spam as much as they want.
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@@brandon-qc1ul But it's an E-rank low chakra requirement jutsu that even chuunin exam arc Sakura was able to spam 😂
Naruto games in a nutshell
@@brandon-qc1ul substitution takes no chakra lol
I think a way to balance it would have been that the caster still takes the damage that actually triggers the effect, but now they are far away and have a chance to get away. Fatal attacks are still fatal, and smaller attacks will slowly build up over time
This would be perfect
I like the ideal of it being chakra costly as well it's only right that you use a bit of chakra too
another way to fix it is simply make it only trigger when youre hit by taijutsu or a kunai or smth, basically purely physical attacks that are not on the level of the eight gates i guess, and then ninjutsu doesnt trigger it especially if its a jutsu of a higher rank, this would also nicely explain why it slowly falls out of favor and why fights can happen at all, mostly cause everyones throwing around ninjutsu more than kunai
@@chimericpaladin35813
This would nerf a lot of the taijutsu users
There is no way to balance this thing.
You can switch positions with anything near you.
Why not, for example, switch place with your enemy?
Or throw a kunai, hit yourself and switch places with it.. imagine someone like rock lee throwing a kunai near an enemies face and just teleport to it. with all his tajutsu-abilities...
In direct combat you could switch places with a bomb if you prepared one.
This jutsu was just a very bad idea from a writers perspective. It takes away all tension and logic
Some thoughts:
It seems like, as you describe it, the substitution is harder to do against more chakra-intense attacks, when it is done later in the series. The easiest 'fix' for the technique as a whole could simply be some way of expressing that fact that makes sense in-universe - the basic Substitution is so easy to do because it is assumed to be used against 'mundane' attacks (a thrown shuriken, a sword strike, etc); while the technique itself is fairly simple, because it requires being hit with an attack to use, the amount of chakra you need to execute it ends up scaling with what you're being hit with; as the incoming attack increases in speed and power, it takes more chakra to execute the substitution for some established reason (perhaps your own chakra has to 'overcome' the power of the attack enough to function while you're being struck, because the attack's chakra disrupts the flow of your own if you aren't using enough or have enough skill).
Likewise, we know that the full handsigns of a technique are not required to pull off a technique; a master of a technique could theoretically do that technique with a single handsign, perhaps at the expense of more chakra. This, combined with the above, could be why we'd so rarely see it used when high-chakra attacks get thrown around - while it is still a fairly trivial amount of chakra to one-sign substitution against a mundane attack, it would quickly become prohibitive to do it even once (let alone more than once) against extreme attacks. Since the technique is both so simple and so ubiquitous, it probably would be a popular technique to try and master to the degree that it could be one-signed, which could easily explain how common it is early-chapters, and why you almost never see anyone prepare it - they usually don't have to. Without the above, this would make it Super Extra Broken, of course, but with the above assumption that it does in fact scale in cost in some fashion with the kinds of attacks you're avoiding with it, then the fact that it falls off quickly becomes a lot more reasonable. Of course, not actually explaining any of this sort of thing leaves us mostly just guessing.
I like how in part 1, when lee was fighting gaara, gaara managed to substitute lee's primary lotus because lee closed his eyes for a moment when he was kicking upwards. At least it showed that substitution justsu had to be concealed in some way in order to work
I wonder more, to where he moved by that moment?
He was flying in the skie and all his sand was even into the air. So, where was his body, until Lee finished his move, by sending Gaara on the ground?
@@hasseo195 Well, he came out from his sand, so I guess he hid himself in the sand that was trying to catch up to lee and fell down with it after he completed his substitution
That was some bullshit😂 gaara couldn’t keep up with Lee’s speed but managed to move fast enough to perform that jutsu and nobody noticed
@@jlit5215 ofc not, gaara can move at kakashi's speed, so of course none of the genin saw it. Thats basically speed of sound movement.
@@1BuFo Sasuke literally LOST to lee in that unofficial fight and Sasuke had to copy Lee's Taijustus and was STILL faster than Gaara by the time they matched. Gaara is definitely not on the same level as Kakashi lmao
The weirdest thing is it switches the person with a thing in the vicinity which is always a piece of wood. Like that makes sense in a forrest but in pains village ? Which has no wood and all the buildings and everything are made of metal
And not any piece of wood, a perfectly cut, perfectly sized branchless piece of firewood that is randomly just there
@@Homodemon Infinite tree trunk glitch 😏
I thought the same thing like "where did that path of pain get that log?"
@@Homodemon
*Hashirama laughing mischievously in the Pure World*
In reality, the substitution jutsu only works in some circumstances depending on whether or not Hashirama and Tobirama agree to answer the prayer.
What happens is, when any ninja completes the handseals for a substitution jutsu, their chakra takes the form of a FLYING RAIJIN SEAL, for a few seconds. Then Tobirama is informed and he tells Hashirama about it. They briefly consider whether they should answer the call, because time passes much slower in the Pure World of the dead. If they agree to it
Hashirama gives tobirama a piece of perfectly chopped piece of wood. He already mads produced a collection of these in the pure world. There is not much else to do there you see. Then tobirama teleports to the caller and does three things at once:
(1) Throws the piece of wood up into the air,
(2) Throws a kunai in any direction
(3) Grabs a hold of the caller.
And then performs another flying raijin to teleport the caller out of the way. And then by this point the god of death realises what happened, and instantly pulls Tobirama back into the pure world whilst giving him an irritated glare.
And this is the truth of how the Substitution jutsu actually works 😎
@@maalikserebryakov its bothering that this has less plotholes
You're wrong about one thing: Kishimoto didn't use it a lot in the early series because he likes fake-outs, he did it because replacing with a log is a literal staple trope in ninja arts as according to Japanese legends. When the series first started, it tries to adhere as strictly as possible to how the ninja myths were believed, as in "ninjas can evade and disappear without a sound", "ninjas can blend in with everything, from the crowds to the shadows", etc. Things like tree hopping, kawarimi, illusion jutsu, etc are all based on things that real life ninjas were _believed_ able to do. It was only problematic after the power scaling went up significantly, where people who seem like they could've been able to spam kawarimi all day, well, should've.
He mentioned that in the beginning
Due to all the clone jutsus and genjutsu, I can imagine why it barely gets used later on. Characters just got so strong and moved at insane speeds over time in the story that they were nuking places the size of the villages. Really Naruto and Sasuke were the only ones I can think of that still use it when they team up.
Plus all the fights where they use a lot of the fundamentals of their ninja training are more fun to watch for me.
Agreed. Just imagine the 1 vs 1000 fight against Madara, but right and left people switch with the logs 😅
Problem is that Madara can attack with crazy massive Area of Effect unlike most ninjas,
Unless the substitute can be far away…
People That die in the Naruto verse Are just the Most stupid Characters ever. Why would you Even leave your house? Just Send your Logs everywhere 😆
His sharingan would also see through it tbf.
@@OrangeMelon419 profile picture
Every time a Mandara attacks a forest becomes a plain
If you had to prepare before a fight by placing a summoning/substitution type seal on trees or logs then maybe that would've balanced it in some way.
Would've been cool if for some fights you can watch someone place a certain number of them, like 10 or so, and then during the fight youre constantly counting them down, building tension for when they ultimately run out of substitutions. Then they really have to get creative if the fight drags on fron there
Agreed.
I thought about it, how about you have some previous setup for substitution, but it would fundamentally ruin the point because the reader would know "oh this hit won't count because the character setup the substitution beforehand" which would undermine the tension. I mean it already does, but explicitly pointing at it with a setup would ruin it further. You could have characters explain their setup AFTER they perform the jutsu but that seems functionally the same as what already exists. What could maybe fix it is giving it some sort of limit, like "oh I have to know I'm going to be hit a second in advance" or "I need to time the jutsu with the point of impact" which would give the author a license to make the jutsu fail whenever and thus characters would be able to receive critical hits and hard to read enemies would have a way to get over the substitution jutsu easily.
Oh wait this was covered on the video lol
@@genericgorilla They dont have to show characters doing this all the time,just establish it once or twice in OG Naruto series for example,and then if it happen in shippudden episode 505,everybody would know that there are prerequisites for it
@@genericgorilla
They do, there are ninja tools for these.
But as time passes, this seems more BS instead.
Yeah I think that would make some sense. Of course, to keep some tension, we should have some fights where not all the substitutions are used, so it's not always down to the last one, and maybe it being countered by someone going over and unsealing all the things you would have substituted out with yourself.
Patch 17.2 art of substitution cooldown increased from 4 seconds to 40 seconds (effect when missed increases to 120 seconds),
Hand sign count increased by 4
Substitution rank increases from E to B rank
Chakra expenditure changed to 10% of users total stamina (20% when missed)
Substitution storage changed to 15 seconds (after, costs 0.8% chakra per second)
Genjutsu required for the "surprise" factor of substitution
I always took it as a preparation type jutsu. Similar to a summoning jutsu. Remember in the zabuza arc where they found the white rabbit, literally Kakashi said that it was kept domesticated specifically for the substitution... But, not everyone likes a simple solution.
exactly, its not instant teleportation immediately like DygoKnight says, it takes time to prep, which doesn't always make it the best course of action.
@@jasonfernandes2221 So it is instant teleportation, but you need to prepare?
So why Sakura is able to do it in a blink of a eye, and why we dont see ninjas prepare their substitutions more often?
@@jasonfernandes2221 if it isn't an instant teleportation then it should there should be a chance to fail and let the user die but it never happens does it.
@@ThiagoGlady
She didn't do it in the blink of an eye and in many cases they set up the substitution before hand. . . Animes do this all the time where they show you how something works, then they imply it afterwards. You already know how it works so it saves animation time and money.
Substitution Jutsu was perfect for OG Naruto. Idk how to describe it but it's a perfect ninja ability. The nonsense within it doesn't even matter
Yea it’s ninja esque
I didn’t even know it had to be performed ahead of time and basically became like a trap card you carried for a certain amount of time. I didn’t know it was such a low level jutsu either, but I guess so was single (shadow?)clone and that was pretty advanced/useful in my view
@@letsomethingshine na shadow clone even the single one is difficult. a normal clone jutsu is easy
Exactly, this guy is always complaining about tiniest of nitpicks in the series😂 and I always found substitution cool cause it kept you on edge when you thought a character was genuinely in danger. Especially earlier on in the series.
@@jaybronx98 Seems like you can't just take criticism.
I think Kishimoto notice how problematic the substitute jutsu is when he made that fight with Sakura. That fight show very well how broken and problematic the jutsu can be in a story pespective. You can spam it multiple times and reach a point you won't know if you going to hit a substitute log or the real person, so he decide to make alternative jutsus that has some balance to it and omit the original one in big battles.
I think it could've been salvaged by somehow making her excellent chakra control the only reason she could spam it at such a low rank. She needed something notable about her anyways. Maybe the cost or difficulty rises exponentially each time its used in some way.
@@Kamorzy Making Sakura look special and balance the jutsu? Huh, good though, two birds with a kunai.
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Another way to salvage it would be a scene where a highly perceptive character predicts the substitute and as soon as their target swaps, it gets impaled by multiple kunais on their new location, maybe even with an explanation that a haphazard substitution leaves you wide open.
Would make substitution a contest between the user's deception and the attacker's perception.
@@Kamorzy Problem with that is that as the story continues and they come across greater numbers and higher concentrations of powerf ninja it makes no sense for sakuta to be one of the scant few with such fine tuned chakra control. Its for the best that this justu was shoved to the wayside.
Making a substitution something you have to prep, like your casting an illusion around a log, could also make it less OP. It might be less useful than a clone but it also might take less chakra. Then again, you could just use the clone technique that all genin know but rarely seem to use for some reason.
I always thought substitution jutsu was only really possible if the ninja using it had it primitively ready kinda like the few times early in the season when we see Kakashi use it. Then as the series went on and everyone was using it to the point it felt like a get out of the deadly attack free card it started to break as a jutsu in universe. I feel like it would be okay to use still if it was limited to being a pre-emptive measure instead of every time some enemy got the jump on you and Kishi cant think of a way for you to survive the surprise attack.
Assuming Gaara's substitution jutsu works the same as the basic one; During Lee vs Gaara, when Lee used the Hidden / Front Lotus ( I can't remember which is which) and Gaara substituted, Kakashi stated that Gaara was only able to do it because Lee took his eyes off of him for a moment. And that gave him the chance to swap. If you need to keep your absolute attention on the target at all times, that really diminishes the usefulness of the jutsu and probably why it's an E rank jutsu. Because yea, you can fool a genin with it. But once you start to get to jonin+ and you're going against experienced ninja. And even ones that can track / see chakra, it'll become substantially harder to get your opponent to lose track of you for even a brief second. To the point where it's not worth it, except for niche circumstances.
Yeah but gaara substituted with a sand clone.
Your missing part of the usefulness.
Sure the opponent would see you substituted with a clone or a log, but you still switched places.
That's the main problem, there doesn't seem to be a limit on what, when or how you substituted.
It's like in the Ninja Storm games where you press a button and you switch places out of a combo.
@@alphachief572 "Assuming Gaara's substitution jutsu works the same as the basic one"
@@krausercruz2780 Not exactly. It's not like Sasuke's rinnegan ability where he can swap with whatever he looks at without any prep time. He said in the video that you need to prepare the substitution. I.E. you see the attack being readied, you prepare the sub, the attack hit your sub, then it poofs. Now in that scenario imagine you had a byakugan. Your opponent's entire chakra network is lit up like a christmas tree and you start preparing an attack to hit them with. Then all of a sudden their entire chakra network goes dark without any explanation. It would be extremely obvious that they substituted.
I agree midruto mid
The interpretation that makes the most sense to me is that the substitution needs to be set up in advance, and then the log is just placed under an illusion to look like you. And it's less of a teleportation and more of a rapid-shunshin replacement while the opponent is distracted (although the precise mechanism of the swap is not something I can say the exact details of).
So it's less of a teleportation-escape method and more of an illusion distraction that you only use when you predict you're going to be attacked in advance.
As for the "only used when you get hit" phenomenon, my interpretation of the jutsu explains that as well: the illusion only breaks when you get hit, but that doesn't mean that the ninja hasn't already substituted away a while ago and you're actually holding a disguised log. This also explains why ninja don't form handseals to use it- they've already used it seconds before.
And I know that canon doesn't support this interpretation, but it also doesn't directly contradict it (canon never claims that ninja are ONLY using substitution and not substitution + genjutsu); I think in this case Kishimoto doesn't explain the mechanics on purpose to make it cooler, but that doesn't mean that extra details for the technique don't exist.
If they are so fast they can replace themselves with a log..... Why don't they use that speed to kill their opponent?
But Sakura doesn't do any setups. She just spammed substitutions like it was a teleportation.
The problem with that interpretation is that then the log isn't distinguishable from an elemental bunshin, which is a much higher level techinique; and it would also make anyone with eye jutsu immune to falling from it, and when the later half of your story consists of everyone having either a Sharingan or a Rinnegan, it's kinda pointless.
that's actually how i always thought it worked tbh
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl Cause it's easier to jump behind a tree in a split second than to approach your enemy and kill them. The enemy ninja presumably pays more attention to the area closer to them and therefore it's harder to approach unnoticed.
I also think the jutsu may have some mechanic that speeds up the movement of the log: perhaps some "summoning jutsu" type thing where the log is summoned from nearby instead of the ninja actually moving the log themself.
You could balance it by deactivating it if you use another Jutsu. You essentially get one free hit at the start. You can also balance it by limiting the allowed distance of the substitution object.
I think the key for why it doesn't get used continuously is that you need to understand how mudras theoretically fit into ninjutsu. Mudras/Handsigns are shortcuts that allow you to manipulate your chakra flows in specific ways, hence why different jutsu require different handsigns in different sequences. This is why signless jutsu's and one handed signing are seen as extremely high level techniques, because you are removing the shortcut provided by hand signs, and it means that you are using sheer skill to manipulate your chakra flow in a way that allows you to use the proper technique. If you set up a substituion using handsigns, but then sign another jutsu, you should then theoretically be unable to use substitution again without making the same handsigns again.
This would explain why substitution isn't used often within a fight, and why (as far as I know), you never see it in situations where someone isn't caught off guard or in the middle of another technique.
Also in the Jaraiya case, in hindsight, knowing that the rods can manipulate and disrupt chakra, it's pretty obvious why one wouldn't be able to substitute after being hit by one. Even with setup, if your chakra flow gets disrupted the moment one of those rods touch you, you would not be able to properly perform a substitution.
Basically, substitution has several weaknesses which is: A) A need for setup, B) That it can't be used in the the middle of another jutsu/another jutsu's setup.
I honestly always liked the substitution jutsu. It made them feel like ninjas, you know? Being all about trickery and diversionary tactics.
It's definitely a slick move, no question. More a case of TOO OP
Ninjas in naruto are more about mystical beings and decorated eyes that do absurd things than they are about trickery and tactics
@@Wreckedandruinedand this is true but there's still a little trickery. Even against Kaguya, Naruto used sexy jutsu to distract her
True, as opposed to literally everything else that happened which made them feel like anything but ninjas
@@Wreckedandruinedandeh, OG Naruto was more about tactics even though it had a mystical aspect
One thing you forgot its this: Naruto would be almost impossible to beat if he used the substitution jutsu properly. He has the ability to create 1000 shadow clones which he now can use to substitue with. That's like him having 1000 extra lives which he could reset whenever his chakra regenerated (which already happens very fast whenever the plot calls for it) Heck - the way some of Narutos early fights are done I would almost say he DOES actually use substitution jutsu that way. There are so many instances where he is hit, there is that awkward pause where we're supposed to think he might have been hit and then POOF, it was a clone...
But seriously IMO the thing they substitue with should have been something they prepared beforehand. Something like lacing the log with your chakra for example. That would mean in order to cast the jutsu you would have needed to do more preparation and you would have needed to use some of your chakra which means you have less chakra for your other attacks and which also limits the amount of uses you have for the jutsu. That limitation would also be easy to write into the story as it would have allowed the uses we've seen at the beginning, but also explain why they are using it less later - they don't have the chakra to spend and the don't have prep time to lace logs with chakra.
At the later points in the story, relevant characters have powerful eyes that can detect powers/jutsu, or they've learned to anticipate substitution jutsu. When they're stronger, they could either attack with immediate lethality or attack in a way that prevents substitution (or if they do substitute, the attacker can track the movement).
It would be great to see this directly played out, was it ever?
Was this ever explained or is it just a theory of yours?
@@ThiagoGlady We'll start at the beginning of the series where Kakashi fights Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura. Kakashi is a high level Chunin while his students are all Genin (albeit high tier Genin). Kakashi is able to use it while in a full nelson because the one who put him in a lock is Naruto who's inexperienced and missed the time at which Kakashi switched out. Later when they're escorting the Bridge Builder and are ambushed by some Rain Ninja, Kakashi was again significantly stronger and more adept at Jutsu than both, and could swap out without being detected.
I'd say a great example of this would also be during the Chunin Exams during the battle between Gaara and Rock Lee. Gaara was able to do his substitute because Lee lost focus for a brief moment in the fall, this was at the same time Guy closed his eyes to pray while Kakashi kept focus on the fight. Guy, Lee, and any other viewers where surprised by the turn of events because they either weren't focused or they somehow lacked training to catch for substitutions.
Once you get into Shippuden territory, Ninja are either extremely trained and can generally detect the use of Jutsu, or they have eyes that enable them to sense chakra (something that is used in substitutions). The power level of Ninja is high enough that they will keep focus or have detection to sense the chance for a substitution. It'd be futile to attempt a swap as the attacker could chase and track the one using the substitution.
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Thats a pretty good explanation, not gonna lie, but its still just a theory of yours. Not saying this to dismish your opinion, of course. I just dont think this could be applied in all situations.
@@ThiagoGlady except it's not a theory. The Hyuga clan's eyes are able to see chakra points within people and can discern people and animals' positions from just that. Neji can tell if/when you would attempt a substitution technique from just that. Sasuke and the Uchiha clan's eyes are strong enough to see small flickers of movement with Sharingan.
This was a most needed one. Was on the back of my head forever. Thanks for putting it into very good words.
Sasuke’s Rinnegan does the exact same thing as the Substitution Jutsu with the Wooden Log, but the only difference is, Kishimoto glorified Sasuke’s Rinnegan unique ability of switching between himself and an object like it’s this insanely “Godly Technique” we’ve never seen before making it unimpressive to me. It also costs too much chakra for Sasuke making it an idiotic move in battle.
It's clearly a better technique I swear Naruto fans have become braindead over time
Actually, the technique Sasuke uses is an upgraded version of it as it can be used on pretty much whatever you want, while the substitution is severely limited in application.
They're definitely similar, but not identical at all.
Sasukes move also can telefrag
@@Necroverse19 “upgraded” is an overstatement. In Boruto, Sasuke becomes a a fodder and an absolute joke after using the technique: “iM OuT oF ChAkRa” and proceeds to get his ass handed to him like a Level 1 fodder.
Bro the teleport chain switch top 10
Good point. I always thought the same. It was presented as basic jutsu that any genin can do but looked actually overpowered. Even tho the intention was to create suspense and drama in fights.
Imagine they used it in the war…
Entire battle field is filled with logs 🪵 😂
Think of it like D&D.
For as long as substitution costs an entire action to set up, it’s probably really balanced.
You’re only able to survive one hit per battle with it, otherwise, you won’t have the time to set it up during battle.
Dunno why Kishimoto didn’t just do that.
In my headcanon, I always saw it as a kind of like a 'hybrid genjutsu/clone technique summoned around a log' that was needed as training wheels or a getaway distraction for ninjas that couldnt flicker very well - while more experienced ninjas could use it at a higher level as a humiliating bait and switch. No teleporting, just parlor tricks with added chakra.
Ninja storm is a great example of how OP this jutsu really could be
deadass
My headcanon, and the explanation we used in the Naruto roleplay that I used to play, was that you effectively link an item to yourself with a bungee gum-type of chakra string, and when you activate the jutsu, it yanks both you and the item in order to swap the places of the two.
We said that it cost more to move someone with more chakra, because the chakra string had to pull harder, and the cost-benefit didn't make sense, or they lacked the chakra control to move something so strong.
Effectively, the stronger you become, the harder the jutsu becomes.
Ooooo, that's a good restriction.
That sounds a bit silly but still good idea
Let's add that you need to use something of approximately similar size/mass as you. This will prevent cheezing with kunai or something.
That does not make sense. Strong characters used to use this jutsu a lot
(Although maybe this is why Sakura was able to perform it so well XD)
Genius 😂
I was always under the impression that the Substitution Jutsu was essentially using the Transformation Jutsu on an object to look like you, and then somehow programming that object to move like you while you just hide somewhere. Maybe the person would be constantly controlling it like a puppet, and that's why they never attack while the substitution is still active? The point is, you'd have to have set it up in advance when the enemy wasn't looking, and what got hit was never actually you.
There was one time that Kakashi, Neji, and Tenten transformed several monkeys to look like them and lead the enemy away, and when the guy realized he specifically called it Substitution Jutsu
interesting thing to note is that the monkeys could speak while transformed, but still acted like monkeys. The substitution was also undone by just throwing weapons near the monkeys without actually hitting them
it should be in episode 165 of original naruto
It was a filler
its always a mistake to casually give everyone teleportation set up by an enemy attack lol
I don't think they ever fully explain the jutsu, and that is the real problem. Though It's implied that they trade places prior and transform that object during the Rock lee Gaara fight. I think this version of it is a lot more believable. Genin also know how to transform themselves (regular transformation justu, sexy jutsu, etc), so it's not farfetched that they can transform other objects as well. With this explanation, they are transforming logs, etc, into their likeness before someone notices. They work similar to shadow clones in that the transformation is broken when the target is destroyed. This also explains enemies who are held down since naruto's shadow clones don't go down unless they are hit with decisive blows, but they can be touched, held, etc. To me subs are basically the regular clone jutsu, but with a log or rock stuck inside to give it an impact.
It's still Good in that with enough prep work, you can just be subbing over and over on unknowing enemies, but I'm sure there are in universe tells to these jutsus, like sensing chakra, which makes it only useful in the heat of battle when the enemy is probably too distracted to notice your change in chakra.
Exactly that is what it should be, actually physically trading places with a transformed obtect but how it’s portrayed it looks more like they are just teleporting a pice of wood in once they get hit.
OH this is a good interpretation actually, way better than my attempt.
@@steffanofumo using my logic, they portray it that way to make it look like the ninja was cunning and thought 10 strips ahead, so much so that you're attacking his sub without realizing. In practice it looks like a lazy trick to make us think they got hit
Yes, this is what I think too.
That's honestly how and why naruto's own combat logic went from ninjas to wizards. Since you can look at Naruto's contemporaries in Ninja Scroll and Baslisk. Where most of Naruto's weakest become fairly interesting characters in those series
I remember this one old Naruto game where you're fighting from a sideview with pixelated characters from 15 years ago. Every character there had "Substitution jutsu" and it would literally evade any attack from any targets. So you could just spam it and not get hit for a long time. That was dumb, but this is when I started to think "Why nobody spamming substitution in Naruto?"
Plot reasons mainly, everyone with a large Chakra pool would be untouchable. Even more so if they used shadow clones as well, someone already said this but Naruto would be a God 😂 it would have been boring.
Because it's harder to do than mash a button. And it's for the sake of gameplay
I'm always so confused why when people ask themselves that, they conclude that the writing doesn't make sense instead of asking, "yeah, WHY aren't more people using it Naruto?" Because maybe there's an in-universe explanation which is the fact that it takes prep and it's not actually very good which is why it's a basic technique taught in the academy?
@@t-yu It is literally a get out of jail free card. Its setup doesn't take much considering it's that much of a low level technique, that can spare its user from taking a deadly physical blow.
@@t-yu Don't remember any Canon explanation for it, they simply stopped until plot called for it.
I always thought it was strange how substitution jutsu was so powerful. It’s a jutsu that everyone has but there are very little known limitations. I felt there had to be some reason why people didn’t use it in every fight. Why is it almost always a log that gets substituted? It’s a freshly cut log as if someone was chopping wood in the area. Does the size of an object affect whether you can substitute with it or not? How far does it have to be to reach a point where you can’t substitute with that object. Sasuke’s rinnegan ability is better because you can switch other people as well as objects.
Is that "Rag All Night Long" playing in the background?! You have great taste in music! 😁
I liked the elemental chakra substitution. It made more sense then random objects teleporting to you.
My head canon for this jutsu is kinda like how it is implemented in the storm games,as in that they need to be cast just before getting hit by the attack(i.e need a very skilled and experienced shinobi like kakashi to actually time it and use it correctly).
If its that difficult that only Kakashi level shinobi can do it then how are kids able to do it? 🤡🤡🤡
@@maalikserebryakov a kid can cast it correct, but he can not time it correctly like an experienced shinobi like kakashi, also i said it is head canon not facts lol.
Basically it's a Parry.
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The kids are not able to do it correctly. . . Whenever they fight a higher level opponent they get blitzed and bodied. . .
I always thought about how sasuke’s rinnesharingan is just the basic substitution jutsu everyone did back then
I love this video because I’ve always thought this. I know that all the official material doesn’t support this, but I like to imagine that it’s pretty much all genjutsu. The log was always an illusion and the user was never in danger.
A pretty easy explanation is just that the substituting character has to be MUCH faster than whoever they're using it against. Or at least able to use their chakra to get that temporary speed boost to pull off the jutsu. Which would explain why it's used much less outside of part 1 because in Shippuden we're seeing much faster, more powerful characters who would be able to keep up. Whereas amenotejikara isn't about speed but literal teleportation. That's my head canon at least
No I think you're just right as the Body Flicker and replacing is how it works.
Simp here
@@4thjulybd809 Who the fuck you think you talking to?
The mental gymnastics of Naruto fans
@@mrevilducky He admitted this is his personal head canon, chill.
Meanwhile Madara is basically using a super substitution jutsu with limbo
This jutsu should have been saved for only the super elite ninja to show they are extremely dangerous and have those elites use special versions like deidara and his bomb clone and such. Would have made the serious more unique and make Sakura's use of it in the Forrest even more impressive
No more like you guys should stop trying to change everything about Naruto lol
@@redninja3056 wow what a dumb comment made on a channel that is making a whole rewrite on Naruto as a whole. You are so narrow minded and hilarious making this response that it's pathetic and makes me pity you
Please don't think you said anything useful as you didn't. Naruto ended horribly and things only get worse with Boruto nonsense. Surprised you miss every time the videos call Boruto a fan fic. Please get some help you need it
@@redninja3056No, cope and seethe.
@@maalikserebryakov lol get better comebacks
@@redninja3056 says mr stop having opinions
a few other/additional balancing suggestions:
1) Line of Sight requirements.
In order so use the substitution you need to physicly see the object your substituting at the moment of use.
Not only is this a limitation ininof itself, it would also open up the field for enemy counterplays like the use of flashbangs, smokebombs and positioning.
2) fixed position swaps.
You need to swap with a real, preexisting object and will allways finish the swap in the location the object was before the swap.
aka no swapping and randomly apearing in the air/on an empty field.
3) Make the cost (cast time, cooldown, activation time if it is precast and or power spend) drasticly scale with the substitutes similarity to the caster.
Aka the more differences the substituted object has to the caster (hight, weight, shape and apearance to name a few examples) as well as distance between them the costlier it gets.
So a Ninja substituting themselfs with a wodden log that is nowhere near the right size, weight, shape, etc would take a LOOONG time and be extreamly exausting. On the other hand a ninja swapping with a wooden dummy, modeled after themselfs, dressed in their clothing and with hollowed parts/added weights to match their bodyweight would be fast and cheap. BUT this would naturally require them lugging around a expensive puppet version of themselfs.
Reminds me of the early shupiden games on 360 and PS3 where the substitution jutsu was only limited by your chakra bar. I remember many a match spent spamming substitutions. Later installments fixed it with a hard limit of four subs that recharge after use.
Same with DBZ dodges/teleports in the PS2/3 era games
Generally, I think Kishimoto didn't think about a lot of things ahead when the series begun. This jutsu is probably one of them. I think the limitation to this jutsu however is that you need to know in advance that danger is coming (foresee it like Kakashi/Sakura/Nagato) and weave hand sign before hand. Kakashi probably weaved the hand signs, they just didn't show it (So do Nagato, maybe other pain path weaved it for this specific path that Jiraya caught). They just didn't show the weaving before hand to keep the element of surprise
Well that's the problem because it leaves the reader unaware and cheater since it wasn't properly set up. It's like if a character is about to lose but all of a sudden has 10 million jutsus or is immortal. Things that you want to know about beforehand.
Y'know, it probably doesn't hold now that I think about it, but I always assumed they were partly transformation jutsus on prepared external objects. You'd turn something else into you, then at some point into the fight, secretly swap places with it - the object acts as though it were you, but you're somewhere else preparing your surprise attack. A good whack breaks the transformation, which would be your cue to dramatically attack while your opponent is confused.
It fit with the general intention of the substitution jutsu ("I knew you'd do that and have been in hiding the entire time!") but the idea that basic pre-Genin trainees are effectively duping shadow clones is pretty mind boggling in hindsight. I suppose the balancing act would be in the foresight and specific material, like paper bombs, and more advanced versions can do it on the fly with more available resources.
Regardless, I'm sure there are many scenes that make this impossible.
i was linked the review from TotallyNotMark about Naruto and i found it to be extremely lacking because he doesnt point out problems such as this, youve earned a sub.
I think when it comes to staple ninja techniques that pre-exist Naruto, Kishi HAD to include them to satisfy a Japanese audience that expects them. He pretty much did avoid the overuse of it in general.
Just a friendly reminder that Sasuke needs a Rinnegan to perform a substitution jutsu
An OFFENSIVE substitution jutsu 😂
I always found Sasuke’s Koto-ble-ble Kishi’s way of retconning the subsititution jutsu to something unique and OP like how it originally was. Sasuke literally swapping places or substituting himself with an object in the environment
Some people already said it but hilarious Sasuke’s main rinnegan ability is a worst version of the substitution lol.
Worse version of substitution? How?
@@Necroverse19Substituion uses minimal charka
Sasuke’s Justu always drains SAsuke of a lot of his chakra
@@aceclover758but it only subs in a log, the rinnegan swaps places with anything plus it's not the switch jutsu that takes a lot of chakra, it's his jutsu he uses to go to different dimensions that takes a lot of chakra.
No one noticed this guy says amarasu to black flames lmao
Nah not really saskue can swap and immediately counter attack
Problem is that this ability is absurdly powerful given how easy and effective it is.
Imagine this. Everyone in the world can use this ability, BUT ONLY ONCE PER BATTLE. Like give it a 24 hour cooldown or something.
Fights would basically be Ninjas starting off with low level attacks that don't cost that much chakra in order to bait out their opponent's substitution jutsu. If you roll up and instantly try to nuke someone, then they'll just substitute and you'll end up wasting a bunch of chakra on nothing.
Would be fun to see tactics like this where ninja battles are basically like chess games where opponents try to out strategize each other.
Funnily enough, the Dragon Ball games have this exact mechanic, where you can use afterimage to automatically dodge an attack, but it costs kii so you have to make sure that your making use use it against your opponent's more powerful attacks so they end up spending more energy than you.
I always felt that people can only use substitution jutsu when they have an expected time for when they are going to be hit. If they do not have enough time to react then they couldn’t possibly cast the jutsu because the attack was to fast or unexpected. It always felt like attacks that where bamboozoled by the substitution where predictable or slow
Thats what i thought too,
But too much things were inconsistant with it and never fully explained that it feels broken.
The item being substituted was always a log, the speed of the substitution, too many basic jutsu partially doing the same thing and the fact that They never explained what really was happening
Do they teleport? No because teleportation skills are almost impossible to make.
So if they do it before hand, was it just a genjutsu?, a log running around?
Or you transformed a log into you, and is able to fight and use chakra? A simple transformation jutsu on an innanimate object turned sentient?.
Kishimoto danced around all of these mechanics for this technique the entire show
Which just amounted to an @sspull in fight towards the end.
I always hated that on the war arc no one used the substitution jutsu.
So many would have survived. Looking at you neji 😉
Oh god just yesterday i was looking for a soli explanation for the substitution jutsu , found none ...
really broke the narutoverse ..
Especially with kakashi
Body Replacement Technique:
The instant before they are to be struck by an attack, the user replaces themselves with a block of wood or something similar. Because the attack does hit something, opponents may briefly believe that they've successfully struck the user. But this is merely an optical illusion and opponents will quickly notice what's happened. If users are fast enough, they can use this brief lapse in the opponent's attentions to stage a counterattack;[1] in the anime, the replacement log itself has been shown used as an attack, being applied with explosive tags.[2] Alternatively, this is a good opportunity for users to escape.[1]
The Body Replacement Technique can evidently only be used in response to what would be harmful attacks: Pain only escapes from Jiraiya's Wild Lion's Mane Technique when Jiraiya tries to kill him with it; when Jiraiya uses the same technique to only keep Pain restrained, Pain remains captured.[3]
Trivia
This technique is based on a real-life ninja art, kawarimi, where ninja substitute themselves with anything that can be mistaken for them (such as a dummy or a mannequin).
As it means "a quick shift in position, or adaptability to changing circumstances", it is also utilised in Sumo.
In other series, abilities similar to the Body Replacement Technique are sometimes referred to as the "Empty Cicada Technique" (空蝉の術, Utsusemi no Jutsu) (not to be confused with the Empty Cicada Shell Technique, which uses the exact same kanji). This name refers to the empty shell a cicada leaves after moulting.
In Naruto Shippūden: Ultimate Ninja Storm 2 and subsequent games in the series, Killer B uses the Eight-Tails' severed tentacles to mask his escapes.
In Naruto: Clash of Ninja 2, Akamaru substitutes himself with a bone rather than a block of wood.
There's also videos that explain it crazy that you found none.
I'll copy a comment I posted elsewhere:
The interpretation that makes the most sense to me is that the substitution needs to be set up in advance, and then the log is just placed under an illusion to look like you. And it's less of a teleportation and more of a rapid-shunshin replacement while the opponent is distracted (although the precise mechanism of the swap is not something I can say the exact details of).
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Well the video explained the problem
Its a very powerful op jutsu that is treated as basic jutsu
It largely resembles sasukes rinnegan ability which is portrayed as op
Why is anyone even dying or get hit at all in the series, if u can swap places with anything, with minimal chakra use no hand signs and instant effect .... everyone should be spamming substituttion
@@sleepinggiant3353 Under my interpretation, nobody's actually teleporting- they're just shunshining away and leaving a genjutsu'd log.
So it can't be used if you're not skilled enough to vanish without the enemy noticing.
(Note: the Shunshin jutsu was actually originally translated as the "Teleportation Jutsu" even though no teleportation actually happened. Later on the translation was changed to Body Flicker. This supports my theory that the ninja are not actually teleporting with Substitution)
Even if Kishimoto wanted the ninja to actually be teleporting, I think my explanation makes more sense and fixes the plot hole.
@@sleepinggiant3353omg! Same!
i think there's a misunderstanding happening here. I believe when you see a substitution jutsu revealed the implication is that the person was never hit in the first place. It was always the log/substitute in their place disguised as them. This would explain why the substitute doesn't always fade immediately, because it has a certain amount of short-term chakra in it to maintain its form before disappearing to allow for the person to capitalize on the surprise. Also it explains why you never see the substitution setup, because the implication is that a ninja sets up the substitution off screen to take a hit they see coming, i.e. kakashi's counter ambush against the water ninja. It makes for a dramatic effect, and shows how smart a ninja is to have predicted an attack and planned ahead. It doubles, on top of that, to show how stealthy they are that no one else noticed them setting up the substitution.
Its kinda funny that this jutsu its so op that they gave basically the same hability to Sasuke rinnegan
The only logic and underrated substitution jutsu was Kabuto. He uses dead body & puppet to do that, he is well strategized
I always found weird how is it that people trashed OP shippuden jutsus like the inazagi or izanami, but nobody said antything about the substitution, glad to see that someone finally criticise this technique as i always disliked how it was used to create fake outs easily.
Don't blame Naruto because you don't pay attention and need everything explained to you every step of the way
@@redninja3056 little kid is hurt and crying because his favourite anime is being criticised 🤓🤓
Lol ive seen you cry all over the comments but not once mention the mechanics of substitution jutsu.
You are clearly overdosing on *COPIUM* hahahaha
@@redninja3056sub jutsu is clearly incoherent plot device
now seethe :)
@@maalikserebryakov I shouldn't have to dumbasses like you should pay attention I shouldn't have to explain basic things to you morons
@@redninja3056 bro just can't cope with the fact that naruto is a trash show
FINALLY someone talked about it. I used to break my head trying to think how the hell this works and why it isnt used always, nice to know I am not the only one
the speaker's voice is exactly what i imagined it would sound like lmfao
It actually makes more, sense for it to be a body flicker/ transformation jutsu, transform the log or whatever to look like you and then body flick away. This explains why it looked like kakashi was restrained, but substituted, this also means that if someone or something is faster than your body flicker, amaturatsu, you wouldn't be able to substitute away.
I believe this is what is actually happening as when you see people are clearly outclassed due to speed they cannot substitute.
Ragnarok Online music in the background, man of culture.
I like how you used the Louyang soundtrack from Ragnarok Online
Genjutsu does work by literally launching your chakra into somebody's brain. Somebody with a sharingan might be able to see the chakra coming and dodge or substitution, assuming they're fast enough to outspeed it
A genjutsu is created when a ninja controls the chakra flow of a target's cerebral nervous system, thereby affecting their five senses; this is frequently used to create false images and/or trick the body into believing its has experienced physical sensations such as pain. It is further explained in the anime that, because genjutsu affects activity throughout the prosencephalon structure of the brain, humans, dogs and other species of mammal are therefore all affected by genjutsu; however, the kikaichū, like all insects, lack such a structure to their brains, and so do not even notice it: as Shino Aburame put it, insects are ruled almost solely by their senses alone, which makes them immune to genjutsu and gives the Aburame clan an ability to detect it, even when heightened senses become susceptible.[2]
Prosencephalon structure I only could essentially learn as Forebrain.
I think that it stopped being used because it’s basically just exactly what it is for irl ninjas, just with a quick body flicker, it’s based off of dodging the attack before it hits you, and if the attack is fast enough, you can’t dodge it
Right this video is basically saying dodge all attacks all the time.
@@floridaman6982 cuz it does, the substitution jutsu IN the naruto anime is a teleportation jutsu that switches yourself with ANY object even when restrained and hindered from using handsigns
Agree 100%. Another thing that was frustrating was the inconsistency in gravity of injuries. Sometimes getting stabbed through the stomach killed a character, but other times they’d just get bandaged up and be fine after some rest. It kills the emotional aspect of a fight. This is coming from a person whose favorite show of all time is Naruto. If AOT would’ve ended coherently, then it would’ve been a debate, but Naruto, with all its flaws is still a masterpiece.
Eventually, us anime-lovers are gonna have to get together and fix this chronic problem of haste, negligence, corner-cutting, superficiality, and undervaluing in anime writing and production. I’ve got a game-changing idea for future animes.
What would be the challenges or obstacles to overcome if one were to try setting up an anime production company who hired talented anime critics to come up with their own story, apart from the obvious monetization and creative differences problems?
I thought that the reason why they started moving away from it was because you absolutely needed to have your substitute designated well prior to using it and that requires you to basically keep it prepared and because of that it would basically become overly hard to wake up every single morning designate your substitutes then hopefully you might get a chance to use it if you were lucky and eventually you simply just run out of prep time.
I think the real problem is that there is no countermeasure to substitution jutsu, but it could easily have been.
For instance, in order to perform it you had to attach a jutsu scroll to the object you're substituting with. That would add a limiting preparation aspect to the jutsu and it could be countered by the opponent tampering with the scroll. So there'd be another layer of strategy to fights where the user has to hide the scroll from the opponent and the opponent has to find both the object and the scroll to nullify the jutsu.
Another possibility is having a jutsu substitute attack to counter it, where your attack, if it is a projectile, automatically homes in with the opponent if he uses substitution. Changes place with a log but the enemy shuriken prepared with this jutsu automatically substitutes with you into a pinecone behind you and you get hit
There is
1 - Become so fast that you can keep catching up
2 - Have a way to do massive AOE attack, -> Madara’s fire breathing, Hashirama’s forest techique
Counter-substitution!
Person A throws a kunai at person B. Person B substitutes, so the kunai actually strikes a log. But person A was also ready, the kunai was actually just a stick.
Person B is actually waiting sitting on the tree branches. But ACTUALLY person A is on a higher branch already! Ready to strike again
@@kuzidas4213 except that these logs appear out of nowhere, you dont know if they casted a subsitution jutsu until they use it, and characters in the show have substituted with logs in an open area without trees no counter measaure js a bs plothole spammable teleportation justsu with no counter measure and requires literally 0 chakra basically
If I could choose, I would rank this jutsu as a C- or B-rank technique for chuunin or above to use, and with the same hand seals Sakura used in the Forest of Death and use up enough chakra to probably be useful for only 5 times before complete chakra exhaustion. Limitations are important for storytelling, worldbuilding, and internal consistency.
good video. even better with ragnarok online bgm 😏
Love that louyang theme and other ragnarok ost in the background RO forever
I never realised that jutsu required hand signs at all 🤣 because I don't remember ever seeing anyone do them. Sakura's instance just slipped my mind completely.
Ah yes, Amenotejikara
Isn't Sub.
When you make a magic system but don't know how to use it.......
I’d always figured the substitution jutsu also required a transformation jutsu. Meaning most of the time before the reveal of a substitution jutsu the substitution actually happened several moments earlier. So they’re not casting it when they get hit, it’s when they get the illusion of the transformation jutsu disguising the wood or whatever is revealed. We the audience done see the initial casting because it would ruin the surprise that the character is setting something up.
Like a shadow clone could be used as a far more advanced version, because the clone can actually attack and defend too, but comes with the draw back of the chakra cost.
Also I figured that the lower level one using a log or some other solid object are often 1 time use as it needs prep. So it’s less of a way out and more of a planned chess move. Designed to throw an enemy off.
Kakashi used the E rank version to prove a point to the kids as a teacher. We saw a culmination of this in the first Zabuza fight where Naruto and Sasuke were successful in free Kakashi. It was only possible the way they did it because Naruto could use a more advanced version of the substitution jutsu, using shadow clones. It shows his growth from even a couple episodes prior. Pain did it to mock Jiraiya that he’s so beyond him, that he’s easily surpassed his former teacher.
But that’s just my head canon as it’s never fully explained, the limits of the E rank substitution jutsu. Though that is in keeping with the escalation of abilities in the show.
This is what I always thought too and its the perfect explanation if its true
My headcanon is that its such a common jutsu that experienced ninjas will expect it, so therefore it's less useful in high level battles, because it's unlikely to fool them.
I like to think that despite substitution jutsu can be done by every second baby in Naruto world, the speed of you performing it still depends on your skill. Like, even after you've done the hand sings, when someone hits you, you still have to focus your chakra to teleport your body or something. So, when Kakashi is hit by genin attack, he can substitute himself even with one of Naruto clones, cause he's so much faster, but when he's hit by stronger opponent, he might not have enough time to perform the jutsu completely. It's not canon but it helps me put up with these kind of flaws in Naruto
If you think about it, it actually does make sense and doesn't need to be changed. Substitution is basically a reverse summoning jutsu that replaces your current body with the thing being substituted. You dont see it used often because it requires preparation, and there probably is a range limit on how far you can be from the substituted item. So it requires a lot of prep, you would have to (1) know that you will fight in a certain location, and (2) hope your opponent didn't stumble across the item first and destroy it. You also cant use it from too far away, because if the substituted item is too far you have basically removed yourself from the fight and abandoned your team. So the item needs to be far enough to not be seen, but close enough to re-engage once the jutsu is used. That is a huge limiting factor. Furthermore, anyone can use it because you would use your chakra when you first set the jutsu on the item, in the fight you are just activating the jutsu, which was already cast and put into place. Similar to how using a ninja scroll does not take up too much jutsu.
I always wondered where the generic cut log came from, like sure there were always an abundance of trees around (besides Pain using it in the rain village) but wouldn't a tree have had to be felled during the process?
Would have been funny seeing Naruto use it and swap position with a segment of an upright tree
I think it works like a slingshot. You grab something with your chakra and make a high-speed movement like the body flicker. It’s probably part of the flicker, come to think of it. Like how the clone technique is clearly a super watered down shadow clone.
Kakashi vs Kakuzu had one of my favorite visual substitution. When Kakuzu got dunked by Kakashi and he switched with water. They even made Kakashi looking for the pool of water nearby.
Can't help but notice the Ragnarok soundtrack playing in the background
The thing I really like about ninjas is that they never outright say they are using magic and when we do learn how a technique works it is revealed to be sleight of hand or some other trickery. Vitally, when a ninja uses a technique that is completely impossible irl other ninjas Will just call it a secret jutsu only differentiated from your typical smoke bombs and pit traps by the fact that It is a more "advanced" technique.
I think Naruto squanders it's premise by outright telling the audience that jutsus are literal magic that runs through a ninjas veins.
I enjoy the fights of In the Heart of Kunoichi Tsubame and Hell's Paradise a lot more even if they are less bombastic bc the ilusion that these characters are just regular human beings makes it a lot more dramatic when they seem to break the laws of reality.
And then the Indra/Ashura backstory dropped and Kishimoto cracked the entire tech. Not only could you teleport yourself with the Jutsu, you could replace any item with another item in the immediate area. Without a damage requirement.
In-universe, the substitution jutsu is probably taught to academy students because it's a quick and easy way to get out of trouble, meaning the instructors wanted them to use that to escape if a situation ever got too bad for them when they eventually start out as genin. As they learned more techniques to increase their defensive/offensive capabilities, they would naturally be expected to not use it and to use their own skill instead, which is why you don't see it later in the series. Kakashi would still use it because even one use of his sharingan back then exhausted him, so he had limited vision and would need it if he couldn't dodge something he couldn't see. As he got better with the sharingan, he would stop using substitution.
And then in the height of the war arc, nobody really used it because when Bee decimated the forest, there were no logs or anything to easily use.
I've always assumed that substitution is a kind of short-range summoning where you have to prep the log ahead of time by tagging it with a summoning fuinjutsu and place it in a location nearby before you can actually trigger the swap with a handseal. Many ninja probably carry a pre-tagged log or two sealed in a scroll in their pocket, but actually calling out the logs and planting them in a hidden location in the middle of a battle is usually too difficult to pull off, especially when the opponent is highly skilled. So it's a tactic usually reserved for lower skilled genin and for ninja who had time to fortify the battle location ahead of time like Sakura did against Zaku (she couldn't move Sasuke so she set up a bunch of traps and hid a bunch of substitution logs in the trees nearby to prep for an ambush.)
From the way I've always seen it, substitution jutsu is an illusion similar to transformation and clone jutsu, where they take an object that had been set up beforehand, transform it into a clone of themself, then replace with it at their location at some point when the other person is not paying attention, rather than literally the moment before they are hit
Because it was a clone/transformation of themself, that's why it does the poof effect and turns back into wood once it gets hit
That's exactly how it works.
@@TheByQQ its not lol thats just speculations
Its not classified as a genjutsu but a ninjutsu also everyone cant possibly know they'll be attacked beforehand and if the substitution jutsu is one that can be setup beforehand like that then its a plothole because you can literally set it up everyday before you leave the house as an extra life , what you described is really just a shadow clone jutsu, which is considered a forbidden high level jutsu in the verse
@otho6544 I don't see how you'd get that from what I'd said. What I was saying is that when you replace yourself with the substitution, it's more of a manual process than an actual jutsu. Opponent isn't looking, so you run/jump away really fast, place the decoy in your position, and you hide, and they think that is still you. Most likely uses Chakra to temporarily gain a burst of speed to get this done, similar to what they suggested what they thought Rock Lee was doing early on before they learned more about him. That's why it has to be done while they're not looking because they would see the switch take place
@@batofara2005 Bro thats the dumbest shit ive ever heard they run away really fast and get the decoy COMES BACK puts the decoy there and there opponent doesnt notice? if their fast enough to do that theyd blitz their opponent besides deidara literally did it without hands and he was restrained and geting pumpled by naruto and kakashi was restrained in chains and still did it and it def is a jutsu