Offsetting a Bath Waste and Overflow on a Tub to Prevent Joist Troubles.
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- Опубликовано: 2 ноя 2014
- This is a video on offsetting a bath waste and over flow and preventing extra work on the floor joists.
Cutting a floor joist is the very last thing you would ever want to do to run a plumbing drain and if it is done then you should marry the joist on either side of the one cut off to keep some floor stability while attaching the one you cut off to the header.
Keeping floor strength is most important.
I ran into this exact same scenario when remodeling with a new tub where an old center drain tub used to be. The new drain was exactly over a floor joist. Your video is so EXTREMELY HELPFUL. Thank you!
Hello nikwachter6427,
That's great to hear!
This problems happens quite often.
Glad it can help you out!
Thanks for commenting and best of luck with the project! Al
Great video Al, that's good information to know.
Great tip!...thanks for sharing your tricks of your trade with us, take care, Tim.....
Timmy Gee
You are more then welcome!
Always good to pick up any bit of information about anything in life!
Thanks for commenting and best of luck with any future projects!
Have a good one Tim..... Al
This video helped me out a ton. Thank you.
Hello Crix,
You're welcome!
Great to hear that!
Best of luck with the project!
Thanks for commenting and enjoy your weekend! Al
Great Video.
Been your long time fan I been waiting for new videos from you - and here it is.
Thank you very much.
Hello Alex;
Thanks for the kind words!
Took a little hiatus. Back on track now!
Stay tuned for many more on a regular basis!
Thanks for commenting and have a great weekend! Al
TheOldkid888 Great. Looking forward for more videos. Thanks.
Hey Alex;
You are more then welcome!
Stay tuned! Al
Awesome video Al thank you!
Justin
Hello Justin;
You are more then welcome!
Thanks very much for the kind words!
Have yourself a great week! Al
wicked as always oldkidd. Wishing you all the best. stay in touch
Hello Hunter;
Thanks very much for the kind words!
It's that time of the year again hunter. I wish you the best of luck!
Don't forget to bring a camera! Want to see some pics!
Thanks for commenting and best of luck out there! Al
Great video, being a pump technician, I hope that I will never have to do this, but the info is solid.
I talked to a Shark Bite representative a few months a go and was informed that soon they will be making IPS size fittings, excellent..
Hello Joe;
Thanks for the kind words!
Now that I know they are manufacturing them Joe; I will be looking for them constantly! Once they put them on the shelves: we will see how they work! If they are any comparison to the product they put out already for waterlines; then they should be great! There is a fitting made now that is compression for steel pipe.
Victaulic makes a fitting called a Roust-A-Bout Plain End Coupling. It will join two pieces of black iron together without any threads on it or grooves in it. They come in sizes from 1" up to 18"s. Very handy at times.
Thanks for commenting and I will have my eyes peeled for them.
Have a great week! Al
Cool vid! I didnt even know those fits were available. Cut a joist on my current reno, Expanded bath, offset flange wouldnt give me what i needed. Few hangers, double 2x10, 5 1/2" lags... no biggie really. Keep up the good work Oldkid!
Hello Randy;
Sounds like you have that project well under control.
They are always coming up with new fittings that makes plumbing work easier.
As long as things get boxed in from joist to joist and carry the one cut off like you do;
there will never be any floor issues.
Great job!
Thanks for commenting and have a great weekend! Al
Exactly what happened in my old house...the floor joist was cut off without getting boxed-in. It looks real ugly from below. But now I'm going to box it in.
Thanks for this tip.
Hello mike7gerald;
It makes a big difference as far as the strength of the floor goes Mike. Hopefully the joist that's cut off is straight on both sides. It will make boxing it in a little easier for you. You may have to lift the joist with a post that is cut off up to match the ones on either side of it. It would help if it was close to the same height.
I hope it goes well!
Thanks for commenting and have a great week! Al
Thank you very much. I have the same situation, and I was looking into buying a Direct drain kit with a T for the overflow but they only sell them online , and I am not sure if it's Code.I will try your way first.
Thanks again.
Hello victor,
You're welcome!
There are number of different drains you can use on your tub.
I am sure the one you picked will work just fine!
Thanks for commenting and enjoy your day! Al
Very nice, I've always just shot the waste toward the back side of the tub, and wrap the over flow around and down with a couple 90s. (But I'm always working on new construction.)
Hello B Watty;
Thanks for the kind words!
90's will do the trick for you!
Biggest thing is to stay away from cutting any joists if it can be helped.
Nice to be working on new construction.
Thanks for commenting and have a great week! Al
I wish I had this problem. What about when the floor joist is running the OTHER direction and dead center of the drain? Short of boxing in, I can't think of a solution. And boxing in means I need to run two 2x10's on the "good" joists. How long? The entire length of the floor joist? From side to side of the house? Nightmare.
Question: Is it possible to use a flexible pipe from the the overflow fitting down to the drain T fitting and just push it away from the joist to fit? It will be basically 1 flexible pipe like the fernco but longer and 1 short for the bottom drain T fitting. Like the Watco Flex924 Drain pipe.
Hello victor,
Just looked at the product you mentioned and that will work fine. I haven't used one like that myself, but I see no reason why it shouldn't work for you.
Like you mentioned....shorter on the bottom and you should get along well.
Thanks for commenting and best of luck with the project! Al
are these parts from OS&B sold at any stores? I've been putting off replacing my old brass and drum trap. I was currently looking at the Watco Innovator abs kit but I like this has that sought angled overflow fitting.
Hello EstPaul,
They can be found in the big box stores. I believe Home Depot carries it.
The offset fitting makes all the difference in the world when it comes to connecting the overflow.
Thanks for commenting and enjoy your week! Al
TheOldkid888, is that a 22-1/2 degree fitting up by the overflow? i found those in store.
Hello EstPaul,
It actually is more like a 11-1/4 degree angle.
Less than a 22 1/2 that you will find on the shelf.
That is their own fitting. I haven't found it anywhere else as of yet.
If you install the overflow and they are not lining up exactly ( off a little); a 1-1/2 fernco coupling will get you out of a jam.
Thanks for commenting and I hope you get along well with the install.
Thanks for commenting and enjoy your week! Al
TheOldkid888 maybe I'll contact them and see if they sell just that. I decided to go with the watco innovator abs bathtub drain kit. my rub only has a slight angle on it now and a regular wedge style washer on my current brass set up works.
Hello EstPaul,
If they don't sell it separate; you may want to look at that fernco coupling on the pipe coming from the overflow. Leaving about an inch and a half section out and sliding the fernco between the two pieces may just work for you.
It has for me on numerous occasions.
Thanks for commenting and good luck with the project! Al
why do you use abs and not pvc????
also great vid will have to try this.. but i don't think they make fittings in pvc also boxing is a pain but i use tubular pipe so i can some time get way with this with out having to cut anything and also you can use silicon instead of plumbers putty works just as good and no worry's about leaks
colt johnson
Thanks Colt!
I have been using ABS for 35 years now and it is pretty standard in this area for residential homes.
I do use PVC when it is required.
They don't make PVC fittings, but you can get them from other companies.
I guess I am old school when it comes to the putty. It hasn't let me down since I started in the trade, so it is hard to give it up and more then likely will stick with it.
Thanks for commenting and have a great week! Al
TheOldkid888
thanks will have to look around and ask my boss about them and i know that some stuff is hard to give up EXP been using wood ford hydrants for 6 years then i found out that the warranty is excluded from Kansas because of the minerals in our water they say that it grinds on the copper where the rubber diafram is that prevents back flow and cut it away in 10 years from experience i have notice this every time i remove a old wood ford there is always a curricular cut on it if it did not freeze up so i am now using arrow head it has more of a moen type vale instead of traditional seat and stem vales
Hello Colt;
Water plays such a big part on any water services, domestic waterlines and faucets.
Big issue around here with minerals in certain areas along with acidity.
New faucets of very good quality lasting only a few years. Disappointing to a homeowner who puts out the money for a quality product!
Thank for commenting and have a good one! Al
Oh couldn't cut the next joist, obviously. Chose to build a step up to come even w the other floor. Planing on running vanity plumbing within that step up. Any thoughts?
Hello Randy;
I believe you have 2x10 joists there? You can drill them and run that drain through the joists. Just a matter of removing that section of the plywood or boards. I usually use a 2 1/2" wood eater for that project.
If part of the floor is higher leaving the bathroom, you can do what you had mentioned.
Just my 2 cents on this....I usually try and keep everything the same height whenever possible and just have the step up or down at the door, but every situation is different. Is the tub and toilet have the same floor height? Sounds like an older home is it.
Running the piping in that section can be your best way to get your lines over as long as the homeowner have no problem with it. They will have to be the ones dealing with the 2 levels. I have seen this is a few bathrooms before.
Thanks for commenting and have a great weekend! Al
TheOldkid888
Yea, its an older property. Easily 100 yrs old, 3 bdr. There is a step in the hallway leading to the master and middle bdrs. I extended the bath a ft into the middle bdr(would've gone farther but a door is there) to accommodate the vanity. Its a very small space, so I did my best to rearrange and open it up. Thx for your help man. You enjoy your weekend as well.
Thanks Randy!
Take care!
Can you illustrate or link me to another video for what you mean by "boxing in" a floor joist that absolutely must be cut to allow for a waste drain?
KINGsizeWINNER
Boxing in a floor joist is a must if it has to be cut off in order to run a drain line. You do not want any floor sagging that will definitely happen if it is not boxed in especially if it is a drain for a tub. Not sure of any links on it.
I will make a video on that for you tomorrow and post it.
Thanks for commenting and have a great day! Al
How do you handle if the joist is parrel with the tub and the drain is over the joist? How do you offset it sideways?
Hello Richard Heinl,
My apologize for not getting back to you earlier.
You swing the tub drain a little so that it is not over the joist and use two 45s to bring the overflow drain down into the top of the tee. I have done it like this a few times myself.
Hopefully this helps!
Thanks for commenting and enjoy your week! Al
Can you glue the bushing on the waste to match the angle of the tub?
Hello Weekend Handyman,
Sometimes the tub angle on the back of the tub is only slight and you have no issues gluing it in place. Other times there can a considerable angle and a fitting that comes with the bath waste and overflow or even a Fernco coupling will work well for you. It is possible to even use 2-22 degree elbows and roll them if the tee and overflow are considerably off center with each other.
Hopefully this helps!
Drop me a line if you have any other questions.
Thanks for commenting and enjoy your week! Al
As a plumber it was very hard and frustrating watching this.
Ever thought about trying Watco Flex products?
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Hello Spencer,
I haven't used one myself, but they would work well for a situation where the tub is quite slanted. Having a flex overflow would easily solve that problem. They aren't cheap as compared to a regular bath waste, but would work well for a DIYer.
Thanks for the input and have a great week! Al
whose to say that angled bushing would would be at the correct angle to line up with the drain fitting,you lost me there
+gasmanrm
There are situations where the bushing is not the correct angle so I place a small piece of pipe in the bushing and add add a fernco coupling to that. Then a piece from the overflow to the fernco. I only install the pipe about an inch into both ends of the fernco. This will allows for the coupling to flex and make up the difference if the angle of the bushing is not correct.
I hope this helps with an installation like this.
Thanks for commenting and enjoy the weekend! Al
+TheOldkid888 thanks for the update, will be installing my tub next week with a brass overflow and drain
gasmanrm
Good luck with the installation!
If you need someone to ask a question to; just fire away!
Thanks for commenting and have a great weekend!