Exploring the Insane World of Colleen Hoover (Part 2)
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Exploring the Insane World of Colleen Hoover (Part 2)
Hey guys welcome back to the channel! Today we're continuing the series on tik tok's most ~popular and controversial author~ Colleen Hoover! In the first part we covered Ugly Love, if you missed it you can watch it here:
• Exploring the Insane W...
But today we'll be covering the two stories that going into this series I expected would be the "best" judging by the reception I had seen both of them get online. It Ends With Us is easily Colleen's biggest book and gained a lot of hype thanks to a ton of videos from booktok going viral showing readers being pushed to tears. All Your Perfects on the other hand was one I noticed popped up on a ton of top 5 lists when people were ranking her catalouge, citing it as an underappreciated deep cut. So today we'll be looking at both :)
If you've read either of these books let me know what you think btw!! ALSO HOW DID SO MANY OF U GET INTO THAT FACEBOOK GROUP WITH NO ISSUE LIKE HELPDFLKGJJKSGE
anyway hopefully you enjoy the video!! if you did feel free to give the video a like and subscribe to the channel if you want to be updated on the other parts focused on Verity and November 9 coming out soon. But otherwise thanks again for watching and I'll see you in the next one :))
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2:42 All Your Perfects: focuses on infertility, mention of a miscarriage
21:42 It Ends With Us: focuses on an abusive relationship
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this is sweet and valid
hey! I just wanted to let you know it would be really helpful for tw to neurosurgery. it’s something I’ve experienced is really sensitive. other people fighting cancer might feel this way too. thank you ❤️
I appreciate the first CW so much.
Had that subject basically jumpscare me in a _fic_ on AO3 because it wasn’t tagged, even the slightest, and… yeah. It was rough. Even just a CW I can brace myself for it, if I know it’s coming.
Thank you.
@@Crisjola oh damn that sucks. I hate when people don't tag their fics properly there's stuff some people really don't want or need to see!
imagine writing an entire novel dedicated to your mother's journey as a domestic abuse survivor and spending half of it fangirling over ellen degeneres
Imagine still fumbling so bad at the end that you end up promoting reconnecting with an abuser who has never once expressed growth and letting your daughter hang around the man who nearly killed you just because he's the technical sperm donor called "father"
and the other half; poorly written smut
I thought this comment was a joke when I first read it but holy shit wtf
@@acoelomate2984 reading through the comments on CoHo videos and trying to guess which ones are describing what’s actually in the book and which ones are just jokes is a fun little exercise in hating everything.
And then trying to release a colouring book based on it
"those are the arms of a neurosurgeon" it's giving "this is the skin of a killer, bella"
lmaoooo you're so right 😭
Oh no not twilight
I understand that so many people are attracted to doctors and if they find doctor partners, they definitely indulge in their fantasies. But swear to God, no one says that. Even the erotica in the book could be done way better.
The amount of times that she uses “inside of you” in a book is actually ruining my mental health
vore
@@Pinkywinkykinky NO-
@@oof2104*cannibalism*
@@_Serial_Something_*NO*
@@snartboy5000 YES
Idk if I'm just a hater, but writing an erotic novel to raise awareness about domestic violence feels like an absurd decision
I completely agree, especially if it's inspired by your mom's real life experience??
i agree. & honestly i think that's what most people had a problem with-
I wouldn't 100% call it an erotic novel. More like a contemporary novel with a couple badly written sex scenes. Still a weird decision.
Honestly be a hater
@@athenajaxon2397right like
Colleen Hoover truly is the author for the girlies who never had a Wattpad/Quotev phase. We all get to AO3 eventually lol.
All roads lead to Rome eventually
In AO3 we trust
Nah cuz ive read the most gorgeous literature pieces in the English language in ao3 and for that I defend my ao3 girlies🫡✊️
im so shocked to see somebody mention Quotev!!! I write on there rn hehe.
Wait is AO3 just the crabs theory but for reading?? 😑
The fact that a Colleen Hoover character is openly anti-therapy makes so much sesnse
Which is funny because Colleen used to be a social worker. If these books are at all emblematic of any of her actual beliefs, then I pity every person who crossed her path who needed help.
@@ettaetta439 this is what I think about THE MOST. Like these are real life issues that could have easily come up in her prior work and if this is at all reflective of how she feels, then I am WORRIED lol. maybe these are just dystopian expressions of said experiences, but I feel like it would behoove her (lol) to make that known 😓
The thing about therapists "figuring out your faults" is all I needed to hear to know that she was probably awful at her job. Most people don't need that, they need emotional regulation skills and actionable life management strategies. Im studying marriage and family therapy, and my assessment of most relationships she writes is "these people should probably not be together, and they need to figure out themselves without fixing a red flag relationship as the end goal." It's like she got a book on relationship and sex therapy but only read the first half of each case study and used that as a blueprint 😂
I bet thats why all her books contain so much pregnancy and cheating. Its the chaotic family drama she encountered during her time as a social worker, just romantized a bit. To every healthy person all those kids and disrespecting partners sound like a nightmare.
Really summarizes her as an author (And person). "I don't have a problem or issues, you haters do!" (Not a real quote from her but it feels like something she would agree with. And I picture "haters" being those who dislike her books or give even the smallest critique.)
lilly bloom being a gardener is the same thing as remus lupin being a werewolf
For real, but you can‘t ignore the her middle Name blossom
@@Wind_116 lmao really? is she a woman or a winx fairy?
maybe i’m biased as remus lupin is one of my fav hp characters… but dare i say remus lupin is better
absolutely @@extrzq
@extrzq1219 I mean, I think Remus Lupin is kinda lowkey. You'd only noticed it if you're well versed in anything wolf folklore related. Lilly Blossom Bloom, on the other hand is pretty much on the nose. 😂
I think Colleen Hoover views herself as a poetic soul but in reality she’s closer to when male podcasters think they’re deep for exploring basic human empathy.
Its so accurate lmao
i do not believe this woman is real. all of her books are ai generated based off of wattpad fanfics in the “misogyny lite” category and the result was honestly mildly terrifying
you are so right
Tbh I wouldn't really call it 'mildly terrifying', more like 'overtly horrifying'
Genuinely the best explanation of her books I’ve seen 😂
I was just thinking this. There's no way this is a real life human, with these thoughts running through their real life human head, who has enough nerve to write it into a book that the world can have access to... There's simply no way.
@@thecavalieryouth more than that, her first published work was in 2012. this women has somehow churned out DOZENS of books, series, etc in that time? like, does she eat and sleep or is it maybe the lack of eating and sleeping that fuels the misogyny nightmares?
Colleen Hoover and E.L James could write the ultimate misogynistic romance together.
I hate how much part of me wants that to happen just because the absolute dumpster fire of it would be so amusing in the book reviewer space on... But no no no no no no no no no no....
🎶You and me could write a bad romance🎶
Don't forget Anna Todd. She went the extra mile by writing a real life person as a verbally and emotionally abusive asshole, then changed the name and made a fortune and 5 terrible movies out of it. Honestly, I almost respect the hustle.
@@zombieedrea is that the woman who wrote after?? is that the harry styles thing
@@melowlw8638yes
thank you for sacrificing yourself so that i never have to read these books
One gone too soon. 😔
Same here. I had a YA phase when I was a teenage but I read nothing THIS bad 😅
Take a shot everytime Colleen writes "inside me/you" to mean sex. Jesus. Aren't there any other metaphors
Not a metaphor, just REALLY bad description
When she says “outside of you” as well 💀 EVERYTHING IS FROM THE POV OF BEING IN OR OUT 💀
"Made love"
"Spent the night in each other's company"
"Shared a bed."
"Got together"
"Had sex"
"Fucked"
Fuck even "exchanged fluids" would be better
Inside us?
LMAOOOO
I clicked on this video faster than you can say “our son’s big balls”
HAHAHAHAHA
"Colleen, don't use 'inside of you' in every sentence" challenge (level: impossible)
I swear it's not as sexy as you think it is, Colleen.
It makes me feel repulsed to be honest. I'm sure sure there is a better way of putting it
I have never been so tempted to make a Facebook group called the CoWarts where we write parodies of Colleen Hoover stories
OHMYGOD DO IT
Oh. My. God. That would be genius. Do it right now.
DO IT!!
Do it! I would join so fast!
Ma'am, I need that link.
“once you’re corny you’re on the cob forever” THE WAY I SCREAMED. 💀🤡😭✋
That line is Shakespearen to me
Ughhhhh, her writing is making my skin crawl… like how does that second book have a film adaptation?!
Nothing better then listening to some scary stories before bed!
Oh god 🤣☠️ How soothing right! 😂
tis the season
why is Collen so obsessed with her male leads saying "inside you" ? It's so cringe to even read.
Because that’s how her husband is towards her .
@@Outlawgurl2419 lol 😂 damn.
Let's not forget the part of "Ugly Love" where Miles and Tate are talking about their mutual love of Asian food and decide two completely different ethnic cuisines are "pretty much the same thing."
Ah yes, pad thai and sushi which are clearly the exact same food because they're both Asian™. The casual racism isn't even casual in that line, it's so blatant it feels like parody
I'm pretty sure that's in November 9, still Colleen Hoover, still terrible, so close enough lol
I'm pretty sure it was meant to be a "joke" made by the love interest, but it wasn't a good joke. Was that the best Colleen could come up with? Dear god
Actually, I think you're right on that! Nevertheless, it was still horrible to see...😬@@pearlescentelixir2428
In all your perfects the main character is supposed to have endometriosis and not once does she have any symptoms other than infertility. Drove me up the wall. Like did the author just google “things that make you infertile” and then not do anymore research into what endometriosis is? Endometriosis is so incredibly painful and we don’t ever hear about it impacting any other part of her life
Gamed the SEO by mentioning it once like a misleading hashtag
right ??? and infertility isnt even the main symptom of endometriosis.....
If you are looking for a book with realistic endometriosis representation: Finding Gene Kelly by Torie Jean :)
'Ryle Kincaid' could sit alongside 'Sleve McDichael' and 'Bobson Dugnutt' on that list of American-sounding names from that Japanese baseball game
Don’t forget Atlas Corrigan ☝️
Ronson Bramford from _Save the Pearls_
reading these names made me feel like I was having a stroke
Don't shit on my boy Anatoli Smorin
😂😂😂
Ryle: can I try rizzing you up
Lily: sure
Kyle with an r: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLELASE
THE WAY I SCREAMED
Coleen Hoover is sucesfully setting back our generation 20+ years...girlie needs to stop and think real quick
nah its 100 at least 💀
@@ryzikx make that 200 at this point 😭
You’re like my ambassador for straight culture, thank you for your service.
Straight culture has too many bad poems in it. I think Colleen wanted to be a poem writer, not a book writer. In Ugly Love, Miles's chapters about Rachel were written as poems. Ben in November 9 constantly wrote shitty poems. This book has a bad poem in it. Slammed was literally a book all about slam poetry, which was also all bad. I don't think anyone's talked about how much CoHo loves poems before.
Lmfaoooo same
Real omg
BJFDGH i guffawed omg so real lol
Fucking same fam
the “just keep swimming” ellen diary entry is the most blatant example of coho trying to hit the word count i’ve ever seen and also my 13th reason
😂😂😂 not your 13th reason.
the fact that she’s completely fine with showing her face to the public after writing those sex scenes is beyond me
Have I read anything Colleen? No, I refuse to do that to myself. Will I support Casey for putting herself through that for our entertainment? You know it.
I'd be willing to forgive every. single. cringe thing from this book if Lily hadn't ended up allowing visitation for Ryle 'cause tell me how the heck is the "circle" broken by allowing that man into her daughter's life 😭
She made that whole speech for nothing
CoHo must be one of those “children need both parents” believers🙄
Even though she remarried to someone else..... Like, your kid already has a father! One that isn't abusive! Fuckin elle.
from what I read, the book is about her parents' toxic and abusive relationship and the fact that Lily agreed on the visitation rights doesn't surprise me because her dad did the same thing to her mom and still have both her parents present in her life despite his dad abusing her mom and all 🙃
as someone that fought through reading the sequel as well. ryle pulled a bunch of insane shit because he was pissed lily was dating atlas and she STILLLLLL let him see the kid. she learned absolutely nothing it seems..
The wild part is she lets Ryle have unsupervised visits with their kid, so no, it did not end with them.
literally!!!
Wth 🤡
Yep like imagine Ryle gets a new gf and his daughter watches her get abused.
I try to pretend it starts with us was just a wattpad sequel and not canon 😭
“Graham had gotten in a car accident while drunk… and tragically lost his big-balled baby” I lost it thoroughly
This lady writes foreshadowing like I did when I decided to write my "books" on my school Microsoft office account at 11. Except *I* grew up to realize that it was a ridiculous way to foreshadow while she's a millionaire actively still doing it
I promise you, whatever you wrote when you were 11 is 100x better then anything she has written. Cause yikes 😮
@@jacquelinelugo5518honestly… I’m quite critical of any of my works, but stories I wrote when I was 11 were genuinely better💀 I reread them recently and yes, it is noticeable that my skills were lacking; but characters and themes were handled better… again, I was freaking 11-
the real question is would you rather be stuck in colleen hoover's basement or trapped in the Beysment with sia
with Sia listen she may hate me (i’m autistic) but at least i won’t be at risk of ending up in horror movie disguised as a “romance” 😭
colleen since im autistic and sia would probably try to cure me or something smh
Grave
@@NIGHTBLOODUSAGIyou might be forced to be the autistic sibling of the male love interest who the male love interest will then use as a reason for not getting together with the mc.
with sia since at least im in beyonce's basement and am being fed pancakes
Did casey gloss over the part of the ending where lily decided to allow ryle to have visitation??? Thats the most controversial part because it means she learned nothing
Yeah, that’s awful. I would have forgiven this book if it ended with that speech in the hospital where she promises her daughter that it will end with them. The book would still be poorly written but then at least it would have a nice and hopeful ending. Maybe Lilly can break the cycle of abuse after all, it’s kind of left open ended but on a high note. But Colleen just couldn’t help herself and had to coddle the abusive man.
W H A T
Maybe it’s mentioned in the sequel, not this one
@@d_alistair-yearsit's in the first one, she drops off her kid at ryle's house at the end of the book 😬
...do we think that Colleen named the main character of It Ends With Us after those unhinged ads for the Lily's Garden mobile game?
….she probably plays the actual game
@@TealMirageno she's writing fanfic for it and that's why she drops so many books.
The book came out way before that. She just likes to be corny I think. 💀
@@maybemablemaples2144 So true
i think it needs to be studied how many red headed female characters get the name Lily. it’s so. common.
The most terrifying thing to me is how CoHo's male characters behaviour is showed as so normal and not even questioned at all, when it's so creepy?? Like Ryle begging for coochie over and over again isn't weird?? as someone who recently went thru a situation of having to turn a guy down multiple times bcos he wasn't getting the hint, if he did this I'd downright be terrified, like where is the respect and care for what Lily wants?
She literally uses female characters as disposable plot devices for the sake of focusing on these “incredible” men.
Totally misogynistic & I also suspect she has a rly creepy thing for teen guys with how much she romanticises the brooding/emo male teen behaviour trope
@@bluedaybae8393she never got past the Wattpad stage
This might be a stretch, but I wonder if it was supposed to be a kinky thing with him "begging" Lily, but since CoHo can't stand to have her love interests be submissive she wrote it in a really weird way that made it creepy.
CoHo seems to have a lot of repressed kinks, but she shit-talks people who openly admit they have kinks in one of her books (I think it was in Verity but I could be mistaken). It's really weird. I think she's just bricked-up but refuses to admit it, on top of all the internalized misogyny.
I said that his behaviour is so unattractive and inappropriate. When he shows up at her door begging for seggs, that's disturbingly unattractive behaviour. He gets a pass and is even considered attractive because he's a rich, handsome, successful neurosurgeon. Otherwise the genre of the book wouldn't be romance.
I made it like a chapter and a half into it ends with us cause I could not suspend disbelief and both characters upset me. The sheer number of red flags that Ryle showed on the rooftop scene alone. I couldn’t get behind Lily’s perspective because I wouldn’t have stayed for most of them if I saw a strange man doing his best to wreck some roof furniture I would have tip toed back down those stairs real quick. Also Lily hating her name but not considering a name change or even establishing a nickname if she wants to avoid the legal and financial hassle is wild to me. Her watching his tantrum and then pointing out what building she lives in was not believable. There is not a woman I know that would do that.
Damn, those sentences are seriously on the level of beginner reader books. Like "The dog is brown. The dog likes to play in the mud. Uh oh! The owner is mad. The dog feels sad." They're technically sentences, but in the most simple and bland form possible with the most basic vocabulary possible. Especially that paragraph in All Your Perfects where Quinn literally gives a 3rd-grade level summary about why they had an unhappy marriage and how it got solved. Damn.
That's probably why they're popular though. Literacy levels amongst teens and young adults are not what they should be - so of course they're going to read books that use very simplistic language but make them feel like a 'grown up'
@@nell0pe214. Agreed. And on top of that, I can’t help but feel a spitefulness in her popularity, but it’s spite towards the evil high school literature teacher who forced CoHo fans to write essays about boring books like Pride and Prejudice or Shakespeare and ignored them whenever they wanted to watch the film version.
Exactly. I feel like 50 shades was the same way. I never got past the first page with that one, either, cause it felt like I was listening to a baby talk about things it shouldn’t know 😖😖😖
But the lack of complexity is probably why people love these so much… no thinking. Just reading…
Those few sentences about the dog are honestly more interesting than a coho book
@@idegafa I think EL James was a journalist, so she definitely has no excuse
Idk why but the Ellen diaries are sticking out as the most unhinged part of the plot 😳💀
Ik it felt so surreal 💀 but what kid/teenage would like Ellen so much as to “write” to her on a daily basis?
@@user-tt1xu2nq5qyeah I don't see kids liking Ellen so much. They probably just watch her show as background noise or something. Ellen is preferred by middle aged women like Colleen. Book would be so much better if she wrote to her diary simply.
I feel like to have the infertility journey end with “oh well, turns out it’s no big deal” is just a huge slap in the face to people who actually do struggle with infertility.
"Slow apologetic thrusts" sounds hilarious. Like is it really self conscious? "Ohh excuse me, just trying to make some room in here."
Of all the absurdities in these books, I just love the idea that you might walk into a florist shop and ask the owner's name, then judge them on it
Colleen Hoover just sounds like the name of nefarious person and I can’t explain why
NEFARIOUS
Colleens in the media don't have a good track record
"Colleen" seems to be a cursed name, and when I hear "Hoover" I immediately think of J. Edgar Hoover, villain extraordinaire - so putting the two names together is a pretty ominous mix!
*british vacuum noises*
"is she dealing with them, or is she flippantly using them to drive on her plot?" YES exactly!
writing letters to ellen is actually so goddamn funny like how do you come up with that it’s so surreal to me
I can't believe the most inspiring mentors for the main character are Ellen DeGeneres and Dori
This made me laugh so much.
I can't believe I've spent the majority of my life worrying that my writing wouldn't be good enough to publish.... I can't believe this is a real book.
My dog was named Sasha, she was very sassy. Love her dearly
good girl
the dude in the first book being all like “i cheated on you because she reminded me of you” reminds me of when my ex boyfriend tried to make me feel better about him watching porn (we had discussed my discomfort with it before we started dating and he said he was fine with not watching it) by saying that he only looked at girls with my body type 😐😐
deadass was about to call him garam kpop has rotted my brain
HE WHAT.
At this point, I am half convinced that the only reason Ellen plays such a strong part in this book is because Colleen wanted to be on her show
7:11 Colleen Hoover writes like she's always perpetually participating in Nanowrimo and it's almost the deadline.
losing my sh!t over the dude in the first book cheating because he supposedly loves his wife so much, like, coleen, ma'am, just...........NO FREAKING WAY, lmao
I told my friend I was reading the Love Hypothesis and she was like “You mean the Reylo fic?”
My world shattered
Bro if someone had a tantrum while telling me they loved me AFTER admitting they cheated on me and giving excuses for that,, i would actually call the cops like,,, girl im NOT staying in this relationship you're w i l d
I went to Indigo today and her books are PLASTERED EVERYWHERE, thank you for your sacrifice Casey
Let's not forget that Atlas waited for Lily to turn 16 to sleep with her.....
Edit: had to mention this, Atlas was 18 and Lily was 15 when they met for the first time. Also, Lily was 23 and Ryle was 31 when they met for the first time. This brings us to the topic of how Colleen Hoover's books never fail to feature main characters with problematic age/power differences.
Ewwww both of those men were awful not just Ryle one would hit and kill her and one would molest Lily's daughter
GIRL. why did she not mention that
Not defending the books, but, I’m sorry, how is 23 and 31, an 8 year gap, bad? This doesn’t make anyone a pedophile or any form of ‘bad’ in any way. lol Different points of life, yes absolutely, but 23 is not a child.
@@lotusmelody6108 It's not the age gap that's the issue but the power dynamics. I understand that me wording the age gap/power dynamics as "gross" might be wrong here, so I'll change it to "problematic" to better suit the context.
Lily is a 23 year old woman who is just starting her career after going through a rough childhood, whereas Ryle is a 31 year old rich neurosurgeon who has had a relatively better life, just with an exception of untreated trauma issues after accidentally killing his brother in his childhood. Even though both are adults, a 23 year old and 31 year old are at very different life and brain development stages. Sometimes, couples belonging to these ages can do just fine but mostly, it's not considered appropriate and isn't widely encouraged. Personally, as someone who's around Lily's age and career circumstances, I will not date someone in their 30s, until I reach at least 25.
23/31 could be fine if he was like... a real person who developed real emotional connection, but he literally saw a woman 8 years younger than him and went "Oh I HAVE to fuck her"
If It Ends With Us was a psychological thriller it would be a million times better.
the gabbie hanna poetry reference… I am still shaking and crying from this perfect joke. I may never recover.
I work in a library and I see so many young women getting coleens’s books out. I’ve never read them myself so this was a pretty….fascinating anthropological insight into her “work”. Glad people are reading and using libraries but holy shit…what a nightmare.
As a Sasha who’s dressing sassy and slutty for Halloween, I appreciate all the love in this video lmao 🫶
So much of my RUclips feed is full of Colleen Hoover slander and I've never felt more catharsis
Love these heartfelt conversations under the watchful eye of jarjar
i’ve noticed this tendency in coho books where she needs to make characters “multi-dimensional” but it never actually reads that way.
to me, a multi-dimensional person is someone who does things to better their community and/or relationships with themselves/others, which can sometimes lead to making what would, without context, be considered an amoral decision.
what coho does is either make a character do something uncharacteristic and label it as “dimensional”, or adding additional context out of literally no where to make a bad character seem good. like, taking in a dog or covering for some kid in a shop doesn’t make someone “multidimensional” if everything else they do in the book is shitty. it’s just kinda lazy.
edit: i also want to say that i think her representation of mental health is really damaging. creating a character who acts like a bitch to everyone and then acting like “this is what depression looks like!” is not okay. yes, depressed people are not incapable of being assholes, but when that’s the ONLY REPRESENTATION of depressed people in your books, that’s the message you’re sharing with your audience. additionally, sometimes her characters refuse treatment that, in the real world, would be impossible to refuse based on certain laws surrounding the circumstance. it just furthers my opinion that she doesn’t do enough research on the topic to be able to accurately represent it.
why tf does she constantly talk about people being inside each other. like in those exact words
fanfic talk
THOSE ARE THE ARMS OF A NEUROSURGEON
For some reason I’m picturing robot arms attached to a guy
The photo of the emo couple on the ground with all the Chinese takeaway made me laugh out loud
"Every time you chose to stay, it makes the next time that much harder to leave"
I felt touches once I let it sink in my mind. I'm now ending my 3 months abusive relationship, before it becomes years. Thank you. That just changes everything.
I feel like All Your Perfects was written bc in the end of almost all of her books the woman ends up pregnant and giving up on her dreams, and so she wrote this book like “hey guys!! Look, the woman doesn’t ALWAYS end up with a baby from a man that’s toxic to her!!”
No one can convince me CoHo isn’t just a big troll 😂 the names, the writing style, the blatant lack of a real plot, editing and structure, the repetitiveness, the one-dimensional characters…and that cow shit line 😂 she’s either a troll, a 12-year old, or AI. 😂
I had a person I know tell me she was reading it ends with us, and how much she was enjoying it. I said something along the lines of “oh yeah I just don’t like Colleen Hoover, I don’t really like my characters having to deal with such things alone I just don’t enjoy that.” And she got SO OFFENDED. Now hearing the summary.. that main character is literally the person I was talking to. Miscommunication trope galore.. so now I’m understanding why she enjoyed it so much. 😅
the fact you dropped this video right now after just last night i was going through my moms closet to find a pair of socks and i saw a colleen hoover book and that shook me to the core.
Lol i know some people just store things in their closets but I read this like the book was your mom’s dirty secret she didn’t want anyone to know about
yea people will shit on ehr books but still buy millions of copies and make her rich lol. i feel like young adults + moms are def her target audience and it's working.
She’s everywhere:(
I would like to think she read it and felt ashamed of herself so she hid it and that makes me giggle
the fact one of the least streamed bsides of reves japanese album is the most continuous motif on your channel is so bewildering to me
if they wont promo it then I WILL
This was insanely perfect timing, i just finished watching your first part tonight lmao
LMAO
ngl the idea of them sitting on the floor and eating chinese food ordered by their cheating partners is doing it for me as meet cute idea 👀 but nothing else after that
Ryle having a photo of Lily in his apartment is so Massimo coded
I bought 'it ends with us' after my friend recommended it to me in high school. I ended up buying it, but I never read it. kinda glad I didn't now. also I only bought the book bc I had the biggest gay crush on said friend and I would've bought the moon if she told me to. many years later, and now knowing her taste in romance novels, I think it was for the best we never got together. lmao
Its for the better
so... it ended with you? (I'm so sorry)
I also got recommended by my friend and now she has backstabbed me
I love how the property brothers are a haunting ghost of this channel
The FUCKING HOWL I let out at 10:01, girl your sense of humor is great. I'm so glad the algorithm blessed me with part one bc part two is even better.
jesus the smut in these novels are the least stimulating smut i've ever heard
Does no one else remember Sara Dessen? I remember growing up her books were everywhere like Colleen Hoover, but I only ever read one and ended up really liking it (The Truth About Forever). But I really want Casey to do a deep dive on Sara Dessen books like this series so I can know what the hype was about back then 😂
omg i was obsessed w sara dessen 😭😭but i was also like 13
It Ends with us is the worst book I’ve ever read. But I also don’t think I’ve ever been so passionate about my dislike of a book… so there’s that! What I find crazy is some of the decision making. The bones of the book maybe has potential & I think there are some changes she could have made that wouldn’t have affected the overall plot much but would have been WAY more interesting/ believable. Ok, here we go....
1. Alyssa meets Lily by APPLYING for a shop assistant job. It’s beyond ridiculous to think someone would just wander in off the street without even knowing it was going to be a flower shop and they’d immediately become bffs.
2. Alyssa and Marshall don’t get pregnant at all, and we get to see more of their grief, their struggles, and tensions in their relationship because of this. This would add more complexity to her and Lily’s relationship when Lily gets pregnant.
3. Lily’s business is NOT immediately successful. It’s in real financial difficulty at her lowest point and this makes her more dependent on Ryle and the cost of leaving him even greater. While he is in London the truth of her business’ struggle (along with the abuse) is told to Alyssa who then agrees to become partners with Lily revealing (for the first time) the true extent of how rich she is. It is then that they plan the new ‘goth’ flower shop direction (even though I thought that was stupid and no one would want steam punk flowers ffs, but whatever I’ll let that one slide). So it ends on a hopeful note for her business but not a clear cut success yet.
4. Atlas isn’t a successful chef but is just working as kitchen hand, but with ambitions to become a chef. He lives in a modest apartment in a poorer area of town, but he is safe and warm unlike how he was when he met Lily. When Lily goes to his house as a refuge it is in contrast to what she has become used to with Ryle’s wealth, but that contrast is interesting as it’s in the small worn-out apartment (with sirens blaring outside) that she feels safe and her expensive apartment where she feels in danger.
5. Can we get a kiss between Lily and Atlas while she is there too. Let Lily do something morally ambiguous for once for goodness sake! I’m thinking Lily kisses him, and he continues for a moment but puts a stop to it as he knows she is too emotionally fragile right then.
6. FLASHBACKS INSTEAD OF ELLEN LETTERS PLEASE FOR GOODNESS SAKE
7. Lily’s mother doesn’t understand why Lily would want to leave Ryle and doesn’t believe the abuse is as bad as Lily says. She makes excuses for him reflecting her relationship with Lily’s father. It’s hearing just how ludicrous her mother’s thinking still is (and how she was becoming the same) that makes her decide to leave Ryle. She can still have this great moment of empathy for her mother and understanding, but realise that ultimately, she is different and still has some grasp on reality and on how a woman should be treated.
8. Ryle faces consequences for his abuse. Despite thinking that he would only harm Lily, he ends up verbally abusing a nurse at work who undermined him in front of a superior. This leads to him losing his job and hitting rock bottom. Although Lily doesn’t feel ready for him to have time with their daughter on his own, the book can still end on a hopeful note that by reaching rock bottom he is finally reaching out for help (e.g. support groups & therapy) and be able to one day be the dad he wants to be.
9. lastly give at least one of the characters a normal name. Ryan or Kyle instead of Ryle and I’m happy.
But you know... she's sold millions of copies of books and I'm just out here commenting on youtube vids, so she can do whatever she wants. I just think these changes would have been soooooo much better.
No but the part where Ryle begs her ti have s*x with him... is highly disturbing. It's so so so scary.
My boyfriend's best friend reccomended i read Ugly Love and called it a really really good book...i now have questions and its not about the book
I've been married for 5 years and with him for 7 and never once has he ever said anything about being inside me! That just isn't how real people talk and it's hilarious!!
lol 😂 the wattpad language is unique and that’s coming from someone who admits reading wattpad a big guilty pleasure.
35:02 " apologetic thrust " COLLEEN WTF 😭
The amount of times the male leads talk about “being inside you” is very off putting
2:30 NO!!! THE LOVE HYPOTHESIS *CANNOT* BE A REYLO FIC!!! YOU CAN'T DO THIS TO ME OMGGGGGGG
i'm sorry, but it's true 😔😔
How is the ONE Colleen Hoover book where the protagonist doesn't get pregnant the same one where the protagonist is actually interested in having kids, I'm SCREAMING
I know this is out of topic, but your so pretty omg
28:20 got me 😂 "He's spare coochie-ng her" was not the sentence i expected to hear while i am still delirious from a fever and cold but it is welcomed and can't wait for part 3!!!
Edit: i changed my mind, 33:11 is the best
*Colleen Hoover Books As Crazy Ex-Girlfriend Songs:*
All Your Perfects - We'll Never Have Problems Again
It Ends With Us - Sex With A Stranger
November 9 - Hello, Nice To Meet You
Ugly Love - I Love My Daughter (But Not In A Creepy Way)
Verity - After Everything You Made Me Do (That You Didn't Ask For)
Someone actually wrote 2 songs based on ugly love. It's called Ghost and Take it back by Jessica Baio
oh my god i LOVE this crossover. these weird ass kind of books are like crazy ex girlfriend without the self-awareness
@@elsagranquist9755 thank you, I'm glad you appreciate them! Xx
These horrifyingly tragic backstories seem like they've been added to give 'flavour' to an otherwise very bland character but it just comes off as incredibly unserious and tacky the way she writes it.
rewatching this video knowing it ends with us is now going to become a movie… i need everyone involved in the movie to GET A GRIP!!!!!
wow what an awful book I sure hope they don't make it into a feature film
Totally agree with what you said about her not actually dealing with difficult topics, but rather just using them flippantly.
Also am I supposed to root for characters who do awful things like drinking and driving? Cuz it's not gonna happen.
Casey please I need you to do It Starts With Us because I read them back to back and she straight up forgot her own story and fucked up like 3 or 4 things that had already been covered in the first one, it was hilarious.
It’s like Colleen Hoover makes sure her characters never get what they desired
All your perfects: They can’t have a baby ever. She can’t have kids, he has a criminal record and they’re too broke for a private adoption.
It ends with us : He’s trauma means he’s abusive. Like it’s impossible for him to stop coz he’s not even aware when he’s doing it coz he blacks out.
There’s no winning.
Also I’m ashamed to say I’ve read 4 out of the 5 books. Colleen is so popular and one of my really good friends recommended her. I kept on thinking maybe I’m the problem. I’m not. And if it’s possible, each book I read was worse than the one before it.
The order I read them: It ends with us, All your perfects, November 9, Verity
I’ll never get that time back 😖
You should one up that and read without merit next and then layla
why are all of her characters always barebacking? this is the 21st century, we should all be using protection.
It seems like none of her characters know what birth control is. Even the ones that are supposed to not want children when their books start.
I think CoHo just has a breeding/pregnancy kink but doesn't want to admit it.
It's the skin on skin contact I think (I'm asexual Idk I don't feel things like this)
“Once you’re corny, you’re on the cob forever” 😂 oh that got me
when i needed her most she returns
35:05 im fucking laughing my ass off over "slow apologetic thrusts" LMFAOOO