Kr may be able to split their (more healthy) playerbase between T3 and T4 and slowly let it progress to T4 but you can't with our version of the game, it's a death warrant. Behemot requiring 16 players is also going to make a lot of damage to the health of the game and on top of it they announced Aegir for October, only one month after T4 and Behemot's releases. It's insane, it's a absolutely insane schedule release. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt with the new director who is actually try harding the game, with the QoL announcement for the August patch and the incoming modifications to the global version but at this point it's make or break for me. If those changes are superficial and doesn't address the core issues of the global version, I'm done.
That's why i wish every content just come out with solo raid day 1. Even 40% gold i'm fine Dealing with people is tiring Honestly LA might gain a new player-base if they cater for both group and solo players. The foundation is solid enough for replaybility. Lots of most profitable MMO that're still alive thrive for solo content too. T4 is not going to save LA, in fact i believe t4 will kill NA W even more due to even more polarized playerbase. It basically just gut all your progression in t3 (5mil shards gone to toilet, solar gone to toilet , if you didnt overhone in advance honing)
I'm pretty stun bracelet hasn't moved at ALL. It's one of the first and I'm still waiting for changes. Those vertical system aside I don't want to spend time raiding hard raid with the community rn especially around 1580 - 1600 it's insufferable. Also I pity weapon it's fun I had a great time .. :p
ill try complete the flower when trancendense getting nerf, it takes me 15 hours to reach and fill level 7 set requirements, Its insanely amount of time waste i also already use calculator , this system its insane !!!! imagine if iam doing before the nerf how much money will getting spend and how much of a mount of time will wasted !!! crazy system
Nice to see a new video. Trying to work on t4 roster, solo raids been kinda fun but have only been getting maybe half my gold earning done these days and not overly worried about it. Been months s8nce I finished every gold earning raid and that is okay.
Idk how they expect us to even properly Progress in t4 aside from Our Mains,doing trans on Up to 5 More alts ? 250k each, weapon trans on Main 500k+ , advanced and normal Honing on main and advanced Honing on alts. Like i dont wanna abandon my 1640 alts but i dont see how you can sustain a decent full 1640 Roster besides swiping. Never in the timeline ive felt so overwhelmed With the amount of gold sink systems It was Always Just Honing which was alright but having 3 insane gold sinks from 1620-1640 (Not even counting elixirs anymore) while all 1620s Go to 1640 for free in t4 is Just so Bad especially because behemoth has only a DPS Check and nothing else attached to it meaning atleast trans will be required. Imma be honest elixirs are a fine system With all the Changes and silver ones we got but i aint doing trans on 5 More chars, its a huge boring time waste and gold waste, they shouldve focused More on Something Like advanced honing instead of this Minigame bs eating Up your gold in t4. The issue is that these systems are a requirement to enter raids while taking way too much time and gold, honing in general should imo always be the priority and main gold sink like how it was up until voldis, having 1-2 at max gold sinks aside from it are from like current elixirs with maybe adv honing but trans on armor and wep with behemoth is just wayyyy too much and super unfun.
I would want like over 4 character in t4 that I dont play in t3, but I dont have nowhere near enough resources to do so. Hope that next new class release will come with a t4 event powerpass. Solo gold should all be bound to account and like 80% of the normal amount or be able to chose 0 mats and 100% bound gold, idk. Also, I saw many new players, but many dont have trusted status after the changes, so they cant use powerpass. They should just let you bound a phone number to a account and get trusted after and stay like that. Transcendence would be cool to be silver only or maybe time gated and be free
I didn't play this game at all, but watched a few streamers go through the game and that was enough to keep me away. I'm not ready for that level of commitment to a p2w game.
i find it ironic about one thing You use dps meter which cause no harm to the company and economy -> get banned Everyone rmting destroying economy and reduce company's profit -> you're fine (kr dev allow kr ppl rmt) I dont get their standard rly . Seems like kr get their priority so wrong.
I left the game a month ago mainly because that a full time job is hard to keep up with lost ark (i had been playing since release and gotten every raid done always). The games been run on Bandages put on the wrong parts that only fix everyones hope for a little while not the problem. I agree with you i hoped it would get better or be at a point I could chill and enjoy but the latest raids without a static made me feel so shit it was not worth my time. My opinion is we all have to leave so they do something or it does (at least it doesn't bleed out slowly )
Yeah, now that I no longer WFH I can't bring myself to raid after work 8-10 hours. New found value on the free time makes me not want to risk jail eating up my whole night before work again.
In the end the community will be the group that kills the game, since gatekeeping is getting so much worse every single new content drop. For all my alts i usually need to support trade with friends to even get into lobbys. If they add a DPS ingame meter or smth that will just increase gatekeeping even more.
When comparing shit to shit Transcendence > Elixirs imo. Both these systems still need drastic changes if they wanna push people to tier 4 because without 100 trans min and 40 set youll just be getting gatekept beyond 1620.
I think they need to make a more casual raiding mode that dont require insane investment like it is right now in the party finder. Game is too hard and on top of RNG from elixir and trancendence are litterally killing the game in the West now. They should also add more solo content in the future. Taking this game easy is the correct decision , no one have a decent life can play like manica that have a 2nd job.
Players aren't quitting because of easy grind. They quit because of the difficulty of some raids, in particular Thaemine and they aren't addressing it because hardcore players that get a lot of gold bussing it are very active in those feedback threads downvoting players who ask for nerfs.
People quit for different reasons, but all my original group quit because they got sick of the daily grind was too much time wasted doing something that becomes unfun after doing it daily for years.
yep Thaemine and Echidna are too hard is the biggest reason people quit, look at thr ccu after Echidna released, in fact it is going down. It only goes up a bit recently due to solo raid released
agreed, 7k hours, but brel hard and akkan the elitism showed hard and i ended up just doing kay, clown, and norm brel while unable to find a new static to learn akkan on until i quit.
Yeah like all the changes are overall good. It's just probably not enough. And I don't think the new player experience is getting better either so it's not like we'll get or retain much.
yea the rmt is too predatory. someone with goodluck can get by with just 6 alts, dailies, and a static. if u have bad luck and no static u'll fall behind still with 25 alts doing every daily and every raid while playing 14 hours a day still. it's just not fun and not rewarding, and then even if u wanna get an 8ball and play 20 hours a day to catch up, u can't cause content is timegated. and even if u do this and spend 100 bucks a week. u still won't catch up cause 100 bucks gets u close to nothing with bad luck. having a static outweighs even spending 300 bucks a week on the game.
Honestly, I think they should get rid of the 6x roster raids alts system, as it's become so expensive to keep up to date on your main. Alts are dead for me, i have no plans of getting transcendence for them. Not touching that hell of a mini game on my alts. I can't decide if I'm happy about t4. I don't know if I'm excited about it. I think in our region, we seem more afraid of t4 than anything. One thing that worries me though is that we are moving onto t4 with the old issues(gatekeeping, support issues etc). These problems are going to affect us way more than they will impact the Korean playerbase. I'm just gonna remain cautiously optimistic about the outcome of t4. If it turns out well for us, we have a game to play. If it doesn't, there's other games.
you know the biggest issue is that sg/ags gave players gun but they (players) reloaded it and started blasting - We can speedrun raid without los30 or full 10s gems. Community is bigger problem than sg but dont forget that raids are toxic af aswell . Normal modes should have fewer wipe mechs, give less amounts of loot but at least let me proggress (im looking at you purple elixirs). On top of that this f game lacks mmo feeling, im so ashamed of myself that i love combat and class design cuz this is the only thing that keeps me entertained (all progression systems sucks beside tripods lmao)
Yeah, the game is very doable with a lot less than what people expect/demand out of people in the raids/ But since this game forces people into the work mentality have to min/max do all 18 of my raids reset night people are just trying to get it done. It's ironic that its a game you no life as efficiently as possible in an attempt to try to play the game less. And also yeah, doesn't quite have the real mmo feeling since its just like a hub to see people dance around and then thats it.
@@Jukwol exactly. I’m playing 3 chars (1 main 2 alts) and shits tireing af. I will play as long as solo raids are viable - f that community and their gatekeeping. On top of that what the f is “homework” “jail””gatekeeping??? I would never imagine that they will add “homework” into gaming vocabulary 💀 I came to chill but lost ark made it a 2nd job (that I need to pay for XDDDD). Ironic
Yeah, hoping the way China started to deviate and the glazing its getting in the West really was a catalyst for changing the game for the West before we become the next Tree of Savior or Vindictus of low triple digit pop of just whales keeping it afloat.
i wanna play still even though i quit after 7k hours. but i also don't wanna hate myself or deal with the miserable community or timegated content. predatory game thats unrewarding that sadly ruined one of the best combat and character control that could've turned into one of the best games of all time but didn't cause of greed.
Yeah, I'm tinkering on it right now due to friend giving me a code. Really enjoying it so far. Will kind of give my feel about the game next week or post alpha.
Pandering to the hard mode ilvl players really killed this game. Veterans have been so out of touch for what new players want and need. So much feedback that AGS got was about gold. Gold isn't the issue; time is the real problem. Everything takes way too much time.
Yeah, listening to the feedback of the people who won't actually quit the game no matter what is a bad idea. But they do it because those are their cash cows. KR P2W mmos generally end up just being like a handful of superwhales left that can't let go. And I fear LOA will go that way. We need new players and a good way for them to start off. And a new soft reset ain't it.
@@Jukwol i would pay a monthly fee of up to 100 a month if they added a mode with no raid wipes, add solo modes for everything, and removed time gating so u can progress as much as u want, when u want with who u want.
By the way , i hop you read gaming news , do u know how many people in gaming industry lost their job ? How many Studio closed ? in current situation smilegate/AGS living like a king lol
i come from WoW and i Still play WoW... and i play lost ark also from day 1 with tons of breaks... cuz u get burned out in this game rly easy.. i reached 1600 on 4 chars and i just dont wanna do elixirs or transcendace down the line.. anything that dsnt involve gameplay and takes THAT much time is garbage shoudnt exist imo, honeslty those 2 systems alone makes me wanna quit... i just play lost ark casually doing solo raids and some on grp finder but it gets tedious doing it with many chars a week.. Still i dont have LoS 30 with 2.5k hours in this game, im on LoS 26 and getting gatekept like fk ton.. And one last thing.. Raids Are WAAAAAAAAY too Punishing.. 1 guy dead whole grp resets etc etc... i feel like we have talked about all the known issues so many times but they just dont listen.
I haven't decided if I'm going to play War Within yet. Def not paying the full price to play it on the real day 1 though. And yeah, Smilegates biggest problem is they listen to the whales and the people who never intend to actually quit instead of the people who will actually quit.
i played 7k hours with 25 alts feeding my main , had roster 300 since early 2023, got los 30, and was only able to get my main to 1590 cause i lost my static and couldn't get in a new one to learn akkan. so after months of joining discords and them all saying they are friendly to learners but actually aren't, i quit. i did clear it once but learned nothing during it and still mvp'd gate 1 without knowing what i was doing. but it got too depressing being outside the lookin glass spending days and days every week trying to get in a learner for akkan and i couldn't really progress without it so. yea. i quit. i decided the way the game works. not playing and waiting for them to make things free for a higher level with stupid passes was more worthwhile then the endless timegated grind. and clearly i was right considering u have 4 1600's with less than half the time i spent on the game. It's such a bad way to run a game with so much potential.
A lot of streamers say people love the raids but people can't get in to them. This is hard copium. The raids are too hard and people don't have time to waste learning them. They are too hard if they are not why is the game dead?
i would so buy one and let anyone play on it for free with triple the rewards, no timegate so u can progress when u want as much as u want. especially of mods were released for it where u can remove raid wipes on a certain mode
Most MMOs these days are seasonal , people play new games and come back for new sesson (myself just finished elden ring dlc) 20k-30k people in west is very healthy , like warframe etc , always in top100 best sellers is over 2 year !! , no matter how much some people hate it but this is a very successful game in general and with a bright future .
Lost Ark really isn't that seasonal which with our accelerated pace in the west has resulted in a lot of burnout. Like I don't think LOA will die or anything. But it's gone down to being just niche and I expect to just narrow down more in that sense. There will always be a hardcore playerbase as long as there is a server up.
@@Vezuls If the drama cycle is anything to go off, every major patch is fun for 3-4 weeks then content drought sets in. Then the bored ones start stirring up drama.
A bit of cap, Warframe has 58k ccu peak Lost ark has 27k ccu in peak spred accross 3 regions/AH with a monthly/yearly confirmed declining trend It will be run by a niche of a niche devoted/addicted to the game and will slowly end up like other krmmo in the west (aion/bns/terra,…) Also T4 seems a bit shitty nowadays
Uh oh; post-PSO2 depression is back again. Hmm. I don't know how I feel fully about T4 either. I don't think it's bad, but it's still just a soft reset. Maybe a semi-soft. Personally I'm not remotely ready for T4 as I've been too lazy to try to find learning parties ever since my static split in May or June. Don't get me wrong, I like learning raids, and Thaemine and Echidna seem like good first clear raids, but seem more like a chore to re-clear. They also don't seem like ones that are fun to prog with random players that you're not remotely familiar with. I think things are looking up overall, but content is coming too fast as per usual. Too fast for me anyway, someone who isn't hitting up G2G nor doing whatever it takes to keep up. Besides, T4 is really just T3.5 after all. I am more looking forward to dragging a few friends to the express servers in (probably late) September and seeing how that goes. If it goes.
there is also a very qute solution to making people not care about dps meter stop making raids requiring high dps to complete behemoth is in t4 is going to be a shitshow even with the hp nerf that will come with it
I think even if they did nerf it for dps to not matter as much people would still want to compete their damage. But yeah, you're not wrong that the design of it all makes it a tool to a solution to the playerbase.
I have 6 echidna's hms and if they don't 1 or 2 tap I just peace out. Groups that clear will 1 tap and the other reeeee's will be there for infinity. Remember if you are a 6 character andy, you have probably done echidna 36 times by the beginning of this week, there is no excuse to die upstairs, ever.
You make it further than me. I don't even go in anymore. I'm just taking it easy to t4 and then slimming down to a 1 main and my alts might not see the light of day beyond chaos depending on where things go.
@@Jukwol That's the point I'm at in the game, it is too difficult to maintain a whole roster worth of daily activities. I just plan on honing 1 character to t4 just to do behemoth and the new Aegir normal raid when it launches without being too concerned about honing/doing chaos or guardians on any of my other 1600/1580 alts. 😅
This is pointless rant, because you ranting about game that is free to play, this is the fate of every free to play business model MMORPG. The game is going to grindy, repetitive if not pay to win or progressive faster.
Kr may be able to split their (more healthy) playerbase between T3 and T4 and slowly let it progress to T4 but you can't with our version of the game, it's a death warrant.
Behemot requiring 16 players is also going to make a lot of damage to the health of the game and on top of it they announced Aegir for October, only one month after T4 and Behemot's releases. It's insane, it's a absolutely insane schedule release.
I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt with the new director who is actually try harding the game, with the QoL announcement for the August patch and the incoming modifications to the global version but at this point it's make or break for me. If those changes are superficial and doesn't address the core issues of the global version, I'm done.
That's why i wish every content just come out with solo raid day 1.
Even 40% gold i'm fine
Dealing with people is tiring
Honestly LA might gain a new player-base if they cater for both group and solo players.
The foundation is solid enough for replaybility.
Lots of most profitable MMO that're still alive thrive for solo content too.
T4 is not going to save LA, in fact i believe t4 will kill NA W even more due to even more polarized playerbase.
It basically just gut all your progression in t3 (5mil shards gone to toilet, solar gone to toilet , if you didnt overhone in advance honing)
if dealing with people is tiring dont play mmo
@@valest9290 man, kr have 6 months bettwen chenges we have 1 or 2
I feel ya with the transendence - even with the recent nerfs it's still miserable.
Yeah, I'm hoping later down the line they'll nerf it and make it less miserable. And until then, we wait.
I'm pretty stun bracelet hasn't moved at ALL. It's one of the first and I'm still waiting for changes. Those vertical system aside I don't want to spend time raiding hard raid with the community rn especially around 1580 - 1600 it's insufferable. Also I pity weapon it's fun I had a great time .. :p
ill try complete the flower when trancendense getting nerf, it takes me 15 hours to reach and fill level 7 set requirements, Its insanely amount of time waste i also already use calculator , this system its insane !!!! imagine if iam doing before the nerf how much money will getting spend and how much of a mount of time will wasted !!! crazy system
@@tom-ul1zh what about stone cutting? elixirs are basically stone cutting with extra steps, but cutting a higher stone is still a misery with rng :D
Nice to see a new video.
Trying to work on t4 roster, solo raids been kinda fun but have only been getting maybe half my gold earning done these days and not overly worried about it. Been months s8nce I finished every gold earning raid and that is okay.
Thanks, and yeah, hopefully with bound gold they make solo more profitable too.
Idk how they expect us to even properly Progress in t4 aside from Our Mains,doing trans on Up to 5 More alts ? 250k each, weapon trans on Main 500k+ , advanced and normal Honing on main and advanced Honing on alts. Like i dont wanna abandon my 1640 alts but i dont see how you can sustain a decent full 1640 Roster besides swiping. Never in the timeline ive felt so overwhelmed With the amount of gold sink systems It was Always Just Honing which was alright but having 3 insane gold sinks from 1620-1640 (Not even counting elixirs anymore) while all 1620s Go to 1640 for free in t4 is Just so Bad especially because behemoth has only a DPS Check and nothing else attached to it meaning atleast trans will be required. Imma be honest elixirs are a fine system With all the Changes and silver ones we got but i aint doing trans on 5 More chars, its a huge boring time waste and gold waste, they shouldve focused More on Something Like advanced honing instead of this Minigame bs eating Up your gold in t4. The issue is that these systems are a requirement to enter raids while taking way too much time and gold, honing in general should imo always be the priority and main gold sink like how it was up until voldis, having 1-2 at max gold sinks aside from it are from like current elixirs with maybe adv honing but trans on armor and wep with behemoth is just wayyyy too much and super unfun.
I would want like over 4 character in t4 that I dont play in t3, but I dont have nowhere near enough resources to do so. Hope that next new class release will come with a t4 event powerpass. Solo gold should all be bound to account and like 80% of the normal amount or be able to chose 0 mats and 100% bound gold, idk. Also, I saw many new players, but many dont have trusted status after the changes, so they cant use powerpass. They should just let you bound a phone number to a account and get trusted after and stay like that. Transcendence would be cool to be silver only or maybe time gated and be free
I didn't play this game at all, but watched a few streamers go through the game and that was enough to keep me away. I'm not ready for that level of commitment to a p2w game.
i find it ironic about one thing
You use dps meter which cause no harm to the company and economy -> get banned
Everyone rmting destroying economy and reduce company's profit -> you're fine (kr dev allow kr ppl rmt)
I dont get their standard rly . Seems like kr get their priority so wrong.
Meanwhile China is like "We'll make a meter for you".
im still convinced the rmt people selling are just workers at amazon laughing and making money off people on the side.
I left the game a month ago mainly because that a full time job is hard to keep up with lost ark (i had been playing since release and gotten every raid done always).
The games been run on
Bandages put on the wrong parts that only fix everyones hope for a little while not the problem.
I agree with you i hoped it would get better or be at a point I could chill and enjoy but the latest raids without a static made me feel so shit it was not worth my time.
My opinion is we all have to leave so they do something or it does (at least it doesn't bleed out slowly )
Yeah, now that I no longer WFH I can't bring myself to raid after work 8-10 hours. New found value on the free time makes me not want to risk jail eating up my whole night before work again.
In the end the community will be the group that kills the game, since gatekeeping is getting so much worse every single new content drop. For all my alts i usually need to support trade with friends to even get into lobbys. If they add a DPS ingame meter or smth that will just increase gatekeeping even more.
When comparing shit to shit Transcendence > Elixirs imo. Both these systems still need drastic changes if they wanna push people to tier 4 because without 100 trans min and 40 set youll just be getting gatekept beyond 1620.
I think they need to make a more casual raiding mode that dont require insane investment like it is right now in the party finder. Game is too hard and on top of RNG from elixir and trancendence are litterally killing the game in the West now. They should also add more solo content in the future.
Taking this game easy is the correct decision , no one have a decent life can play like manica that have a 2nd job.
Players aren't quitting because of easy grind. They quit because of the difficulty of some raids, in particular Thaemine and they aren't addressing it because hardcore players that get a lot of gold bussing it are very active in those feedback threads downvoting players who ask for nerfs.
People quit for different reasons, but all my original group quit because they got sick of the daily grind was too much time wasted doing something that becomes unfun after doing it daily for years.
yep Thaemine and Echidna are too hard is the biggest reason people quit, look at thr ccu after Echidna released, in fact it is going down. It only goes up a bit recently due to solo raid released
agreed, 7k hours, but brel hard and akkan the elitism showed hard and i ended up just doing kay, clown, and norm brel while unable to find a new static to learn akkan on until i quit.
I think the game in the west might be getting better but it won't recapture the amount of players ever again with its current systems :/
Yeah like all the changes are overall good. It's just probably not enough. And I don't think the new player experience is getting better either so it's not like we'll get or retain much.
yea the rmt is too predatory. someone with goodluck can get by with just 6 alts, dailies, and a static. if u have bad luck and no static u'll fall behind still with 25 alts doing every daily and every raid while playing 14 hours a day still. it's just not fun and not rewarding, and then even if u wanna get an 8ball and play 20 hours a day to catch up, u can't cause content is timegated. and even if u do this and spend 100 bucks a week. u still won't catch up cause 100 bucks gets u close to nothing with bad luck. having a static outweighs even spending 300 bucks a week on the game.
rested raids would solve alts burnout on anyone that cannot play hardcore
or just remove the time gated content so u can progress when u want.
Honestly, I think they should get rid of the 6x roster raids alts system, as it's become so expensive to keep up to date on your main. Alts are dead for me, i have no plans of getting transcendence for them. Not touching that hell of a mini game on my alts. I can't decide if I'm happy about t4. I don't know if I'm excited about it. I think in our region, we seem more afraid of t4 than anything. One thing that worries me though is that we are moving onto t4 with the old issues(gatekeeping, support issues etc). These problems are going to affect us way more than they will impact the Korean playerbase. I'm just gonna remain cautiously optimistic about the outcome of t4. If it turns out well for us, we have a game to play. If it doesn't, there's other games.
true. true. mhmm. true
you know the biggest issue is that sg/ags gave players gun but they (players) reloaded it and started blasting - We can speedrun raid without los30 or full 10s gems. Community is bigger problem than sg but dont forget that raids are toxic af aswell . Normal modes should have fewer wipe mechs, give less amounts of loot but at least let me proggress (im looking at you purple elixirs). On top of that this f game lacks mmo feeling, im so ashamed of myself that i love combat and class design cuz this is the only thing that keeps me entertained (all progression systems sucks beside tripods lmao)
Yeah, the game is very doable with a lot less than what people expect/demand out of people in the raids/ But since this game forces people into the work mentality have to min/max do all 18 of my raids reset night people are just trying to get it done. It's ironic that its a game you no life as efficiently as possible in an attempt to try to play the game less.
And also yeah, doesn't quite have the real mmo feeling since its just like a hub to see people dance around and then thats it.
@@Jukwol exactly. I’m playing 3 chars (1 main 2 alts) and shits tireing af. I will play as long as solo raids are viable - f that community and their gatekeeping. On top of that what the f is “homework” “jail””gatekeeping??? I would never imagine that they will add “homework” into gaming vocabulary 💀 I came to chill but lost ark made it a 2nd job (that I need to pay for XDDDD). Ironic
Let us hope they start chaning the game for the west , not copy paste things from Korea.
Yeah, hoping the way China started to deviate and the glazing its getting in the West really was a catalyst for changing the game for the West before we become the next Tree of Savior or Vindictus of low triple digit pop of just whales keeping it afloat.
i wanna play still even though i quit after 7k hours. but i also don't wanna hate myself or deal with the miserable community or timegated content.
predatory game thats unrewarding that sadly ruined one of the best combat and character control that could've turned into one of the best games of all time but didn't cause of greed.
I clicked because of the thumbnail. And i regret nothing.
I wish i got the 2xko (stupid name) key, but Europe didn't get many keys as it turns out :/
Yeah, I'm tinkering on it right now due to friend giving me a code. Really enjoying it so far. Will kind of give my feel about the game next week or post alpha.
Pandering to the hard mode ilvl players really killed this game. Veterans have been so out of touch for what new players want and need.
So much feedback that AGS got was about gold. Gold isn't the issue; time is the real problem. Everything takes way too much time.
Yeah, listening to the feedback of the people who won't actually quit the game no matter what is a bad idea. But they do it because those are their cash cows. KR P2W mmos generally end up just being like a handful of superwhales left that can't let go. And I fear LOA will go that way. We need new players and a good way for them to start off. And a new soft reset ain't it.
@@Jukwol i would pay a monthly fee of up to 100 a month if they added a mode with no raid wipes, add solo modes for everything, and removed time gating so u can progress as much as u want, when u want with who u want.
By the way , i hop you read gaming news , do u know how many people in gaming industry lost their job ? How many Studio closed ? in current situation smilegate/AGS living like a king lol
i come from WoW and i Still play WoW... and i play lost ark also from day 1 with tons of breaks... cuz u get burned out in this game rly easy.. i reached 1600 on 4 chars and i just dont wanna do elixirs or transcendace down the line.. anything that dsnt involve gameplay and takes THAT much time is garbage shoudnt exist imo, honeslty those 2 systems alone makes me wanna quit... i just play lost ark casually doing solo raids and some on grp finder but it gets tedious doing it with many chars a week.. Still i dont have LoS 30 with 2.5k hours in this game, im on LoS 26 and getting gatekept like fk ton.. And one last thing.. Raids Are WAAAAAAAAY too Punishing.. 1 guy dead whole grp resets etc etc... i feel like we have talked about all the known issues so many times but they just dont listen.
I haven't decided if I'm going to play War Within yet. Def not paying the full price to play it on the real day 1 though. And yeah, Smilegates biggest problem is they listen to the whales and the people who never intend to actually quit instead of the people who will actually quit.
i played 7k hours with 25 alts feeding my main , had roster 300 since early 2023, got los 30, and was only able to get my main to 1590 cause i lost my static and couldn't get in a new one to learn akkan. so after months of joining discords and them all saying they are friendly to learners but actually aren't, i quit. i did clear it once but learned nothing during it and still mvp'd gate 1 without knowing what i was doing. but it got too depressing being outside the lookin glass spending days and days every week trying to get in a learner for akkan and i couldn't really progress without it so. yea. i quit.
i decided the way the game works. not playing and waiting for them to make things free for a higher level with stupid passes was more worthwhile then the endless timegated grind. and clearly i was right considering u have 4 1600's with less than half the time i spent on the game. It's such a bad way to run a game with so much potential.
A lot of streamers say people love the raids but people can't get in to them. This is hard copium. The raids are too hard and people don't have time to waste learning them. They are too hard if they are not why is the game dead?
Private servers when?
i would so buy one and let anyone play on it for free with triple the rewards, no timegate so u can progress when u want as much as u want. especially of mods were released for it where u can remove raid wipes on a certain mode
Most MMOs these days are seasonal , people play new games and come back for new sesson (myself just finished elden ring dlc) 20k-30k people in west is very healthy , like warframe etc , always in top100 best sellers is over 2 year !! , no matter how much some people hate it but this is a very successful game in general and with a bright future .
Lost Ark really isn't that seasonal which with our accelerated pace in the west has resulted in a lot of burnout. Like I don't think LOA will die or anything. But it's gone down to being just niche and I expect to just narrow down more in that sense. There will always be a hardcore playerbase as long as there is a server up.
Not the best example when the MMO you mentioned is not even close to a MMO.
It's a single player game with a huge dlc after 2 years of hiatus
@@Jukwol a lot of people play it like it’s seasonal. If a month is “dead” with no interesting content they cut playtime and do other things.
@@Vezuls If the drama cycle is anything to go off, every major patch is fun for 3-4 weeks then content drought sets in. Then the bored ones start stirring up drama.
A bit of cap, Warframe has 58k ccu peak
Lost ark has 27k ccu in peak spred accross 3 regions/AH with a monthly/yearly confirmed declining trend
It will be run by a niche of a niche devoted/addicted to the game and will slowly end up like other krmmo in the west (aion/bns/terra,…)
Also T4 seems a bit shitty nowadays
Uh oh; post-PSO2 depression is back again.
Hmm. I don't know how I feel fully about T4 either. I don't think it's bad, but it's still just a soft reset. Maybe a semi-soft. Personally I'm not remotely ready for T4 as I've been too lazy to try to find learning parties ever since my static split in May or June. Don't get me wrong, I like learning raids, and Thaemine and Echidna seem like good first clear raids, but seem more like a chore to re-clear. They also don't seem like ones that are fun to prog with random players that you're not remotely familiar with. I think things are looking up overall, but content is coming too fast as per usual. Too fast for me anyway, someone who isn't hitting up G2G nor doing whatever it takes to keep up. Besides, T4 is really just T3.5 after all. I am more looking forward to dragging a few friends to the express servers in (probably late) September and seeing how that goes. If it goes.
Yeah, its really a soft reset. People coping that it isn't.
there is also a very qute solution to making people not care about dps meter
stop making raids requiring high dps to complete
behemoth is in t4 is going to be a shitshow even with the hp nerf that will come with it
I think even if they did nerf it for dps to not matter as much people would still want to compete their damage. But yeah, you're not wrong that the design of it all makes it a tool to a solution to the playerbase.
@@Jukwol thats fine but nobody will care too much if someone does 10m dps in echidna g2 when most can do 40 on average
I have 6 echidna's hms and if they don't 1 or 2 tap I just peace out. Groups that clear will 1 tap and the other reeeee's will be there for infinity. Remember if you are a 6 character andy, you have probably done echidna 36 times by the beginning of this week, there is no excuse to die upstairs, ever.
You make it further than me. I don't even go in anymore. I'm just taking it easy to t4 and then slimming down to a 1 main and my alts might not see the light of day beyond chaos depending on where things go.
@@Jukwol That's the point I'm at in the game, it is too difficult to maintain a whole roster worth of daily activities. I just plan on honing 1 character to t4 just to do behemoth and the new Aegir normal raid when it launches without being too concerned about honing/doing chaos or guardians on any of my other 1600/1580 alts. 😅
This is pointless rant, because you ranting about game that is free to play, this is the fate of every free to play business model MMORPG. The game is going to grindy, repetitive if not pay to win or progressive faster.
the game is already built to be toxic, just allow it. f cking hell
Yeah, the game design of raiding and a ton of alts makes the community turn on eachother for the sake of getting everything done.