I've had this fence system for a number of years and YES it is that accurate and YES it is that good. The ability to repeat cuts to dead-on accuracy amazes me every time. Installation is not quick and needs to be done carefully and not rushed. The installation instructions Incra supplies are top-notch. Very clear, easy to follow, and made for a successful installation with no having to fiddle around later. All of Incra's products, I have found, are this way. It's really a bargain for all that it does and does well.
Everything incra makes is top notch. You did an excellent job in this review and hope to see you review more of their stuff. After watching your review, if I had the room I would not hesitate to buy this setup.
Well said and well done Guy. I purchased the TS-LS 32 with the LS Super system about 2 years ago. Everything you said is right on the money. I was blown away by the quality of their products, but more so by the incredible accuracy and repeatability. Well worth the investment
+Wayne Brown Hey Wayne! I have seen the fence on your saw, so I knew you would be chiming in on how much you like it. I love mine too as you can tell by the video. Thanks for the nice comment!
Thank you for the video. I ordered the 52" system a couple of months ago and can't wait for it to arrive. I'm retired now, but hear you loud and clear when you say ".....the engineering side of your brain goes into overdrive...." lol I've subscribed!
I've had one of these for the last seven or so years so I can say that Guy's review 100% accurate. I bought mine when I upgraded one of those awful pipe style fences on a Delta Contractor saw. I've since upgraded to a Jet cabinet saw. It came with with a Biesemeyer style fence that has never been used because I'll never let go of the Incra. (And yes, I have used a Biesemeyer on other saws.) What's more should you ever need it, their customer support is top notch. Nice review Guy!
The message in this video so perfectly fits a problem I have had for so long with a solution so perfect, I wish I could bottle the sensation up to feel like someone understands me at my day job.
Guy I think you should get a commission for this sales job right here. Excellent video! I was always intimidated when I saw videos of people using this fence system, but no longer.
Great Video! I have the old TS-III system. I've had it for about 30 years now. The heart and soul of my shop. Mine doesn't have the threaded rod and the micro adjuster on the TS-LS mode seems to be better but I'm still a happy camper.
I am picking up my TS LS Joinery System and the Incra Router Lift II and clean sweep tomorrow, I like the detail of your videos on this system. I wish you would make more.
Excellent demo! Ive watched the videos at Incra but you explain and show it better. I have a Delta unifence now, but its old and I want to completely redo my setup. I am going to build a mobile saw cabinet, get this Incra fence and also install the router lift etc where the left wing is on the saw. That will get me closer to the router without leaning over etc. Thank you
I've done the same thing you did with creating the 1/32, 1/16 cut...and honestly I total woodworking moron. It's just super easy and brings your wood working game UP about 10 levels.
This will be my next investment ( save money for) because I am doing the " bump and pray " method and it just drives me crazy not to mention the wasted wood factor. Thank you so much for the information I really appreciate it
Great video Guy! I purchased the Incra fence based on watching your previous videos (kept seeing it in the videos) and I couldn't be happier! It has been a great system. I can probably say that my wife probably doesn't want me to watch any more of your videos because I bought the Grizzly jointer that you have also!!! Don't worry, I can't wait for the next video!! Keep up the great work!
Based on the price of my miter 1000HD I thought this system was going to be thousands of dollars. $420 is very reasonable! Thanks for a great video, this is now on my wishlist.
Nice video presentation Guy! I've been using a incra miter 1000 for many years and just recently have seen how much more accurately I can work using products like these. I have a 54 inch biesemeyer style fence and am very impressed by your setup! Definitely can see this in my future
I am a huge Incra fan as a user of the router table system. This table saw fence looks like it is equally wonderful, however, it does not look like it has the ability to work where the fence is to the left of the blade. Is that correct? (like for bevel cuts, its much safer (for right tilting saws) to have the fence on the left so the work is not wedged between the blade and the fence.)
Brilliant Guy. Just one question before I order. Exactly how much space do you need from the right end of the rail when the arm is fully out for maximum rip.
Thanks Guy, now I feel like I really need this. I have been screwing around with a stock fence since 1993. I guess it's time for an upgrade. Thanks for another great video
Thanks for this video. I actually have the incra fence system and love it. But had forgotten all the other cool things it does and had only been using it for making precise rip cuts. Thanks for the reminder of all the other cool things this fence can do!
Very nice. I could definitely use one. Instead of the 'bump and tap', I've been using a clamped nut and threaded rod to push the fence when high accuracy is needed (i'm sure you've seen these DIY adjusters), but the INCRA looks like it would be more convenient.
+GarageWoodworks Thanks Brian! I've watched the video you did (you did do one, didn't you?) on your micro adjust system. This goes way beyond that with being able to do repetitive cuts. It truly is set it to the mark, and make the cut knowing it is exactly the dimension you want. It has changed the way I work, and couldn't imagine being with it.
+GarageWoodworks Thanks Brian! I've watched the video you did (you did do one, didn't you?) on your micro adjust system. This goes way beyond that with being able to do repetitive cuts. It truly is set it to the mark, and make the cut knowing it is exactly the dimension you want. It has changed the way I work, and couldn't imagine being with it.
You make a good case for it :) You can take out some of the bump and pray for small adjustments with a dial indicator but that's no good for large adjustments. Plus my fence has a handy random adjustment feature when you lock it down which makes the whole dial indicator experience tons of fun.
I really wanted to get the Incra fence, but I don't have a lot of width in my shop and couldn't really handle that extra bit of fence poking out into the rest of the shop when I'm shuffling around between tools. Ended up with the VSC Tools fence and Wixey positioner. It's amazingly accurate, but definitely still involves bumping the fence around, just with a DRO :)
+Kirby Weldon Hey Kirby. That is something I thought about also before I pulled the trigger in it. After living with it a while, you quickly realize most of your cuts on the saw are under 12" or so. If you need to move it all the way back to use something like your sled, you get used to moving the fence back in so you don't bump into the carriage. It takes getting used too, but the benefits of the fence outweigh a few changes in method.
That bolt on the end of the rail I assume is a stopper for the fence? If you removed it, the fence could continue off the rail unobstructed? I'm wanting to get the 32" model, then get another set of 32" rails to attach to a mobile cart so I could extend the width to 64" by pulling the other cart up to my main workbench. Do you think that would work? I have limited space and only have 32" in my garage for storage, but I could roll another cart next to it when I wheel the mobile workstation into the middle of the garage if that makes sense.
As an engineer, I live with the same torment as you....... the quest to make perfect cuts, at the correct size, that are perfectly square. This fence is clearly just the ticket, and I can appreciate everything it does, and how it does it so repeatably. Now, if I can just figure out how to get it on my Hammer K3, and/or how to get one for the sliding table side of the K3, I would be in heaven. BTW, that's a curious shaped wound on your wrist..... hope that didn't come from a shop incident.
At about 9 minutes in, you were talking about fitting a drawer panel that was 13/64 (I think). You made 1 cut then advanced the fence 1/16”. Then you grabbed a handful on the micro adjust knob. You needed 5/64”. How many clicks is that? thnx
Great review Guy. I'm been looking at this fence for a long time. Now I'm ready. I've read that the 32" model can do more that 32" if you move the rails to the right. Is this correct? I have a PM66 and the router would naturally go on the right side(where the wooden filler is from the operator position). How does the fence work in this case? ................ or does it? How much aggrivation to mount this system to a PM66? Is it a simple unbolt/rebolt system? JimE
Hi Guy - first of all love your stuff and your knowledge and love your podcast w/ Woodshop Life. I know this video is a bit old but how did you set up that table extension wing (black) in the video and connect it to the fence rails.
What’s it like to fit to the table of the table saw? Surely it needs drilling and tapping of the table? Not that that can’t be done, but might be tricky drilling large accurate holes into the side of a cast iron table?
I have been using the incra fence for 3 years now. It is very accurate, BUT it takes up more room than any other fence I have seen. If you have the room, great. If you don't, maybe see if you can relocate your saw or use a different fence. My rails are quite a bit longer than the ones in this video, I can cut 60". When it is set up for this cut the incra is 90ish inches off the side of the blade.
Agreed. You have to have the room off of the right side of the saw for the arm to extend. I have also over the years gotten used to bringing the fence back up to the blade when I am done with a cut, so I don't accidentally bang into it.
I have thought a lot about this. I think the Incra is nice, but I also think it is not necessary and takes up too much room. I was looking at the very super cool tools fence and I think it looks very handy. I'm keeping my Incra setup on the router table though. I bought a shaper and power feeder a while back and use it way more than the router table at the moment. I got an extra power feed base and drilled my tablesaw top for it. Makes batching rail and style material go pretty nice.
I just ordered a 32" setup for the micro-adjust and repeatability feature. If I had a production shop with a dedicated 8' long outfeed table I'd buy the 52". I use a panel-saw and a demountable cutting table for breaking down sheet goods.
I would only say this about the fence system: If you get the long rails it takes up a LOT of space in your shop. the rails are always hanging out there, no matter where the fence is set. And the beam that the fence rides on can stick out too. It's an amazing fence system and I love it but it's something to keep in mind if you have a small shop.
I agree. I have recently bought the LS Positioner for my router table and absolutely love it. I still have some calibration to go as I bought the Wonderfence version in metric (I live in Australia). The metric version is a bit of a challenge, but the challenge is not insurmountable. I am now about to purchase the Table Saw version and I have decided on the short version, mainly for space considerations, but also because my main focus is fine box making. The LS system means I can take that to a whole new level. I considered converting to a router/table Saw combination but decided against it as it would restrict my workflow.
Great presentation about the TS-LS fence, Guy. I have Incra's 1000HD Miter gauge and I love it. If I had a better saw, I would have the TS-LS fence on it.
The t track built into the face of the fence and on top of the fence gives you a lot of option to attach jigs to and they can slide across. Unfortunately I don't have any video dedicated to them. However they can be found in some of videos. My latest video (Curly Ash Wall Cabinet) has a sliding jig that I use to cut the angle on the top of the case.
5 years on, would you still recommend this fence? About to pull the trigger on it, but I'm on the fence simply because of how it sticks out when cutting something wide, cramped shop.
With that Incra TS-LS rail between your table saw and outfeed table, what is the distance there? I'm trying to build a workbench around my table saw (have not ordered my Saw Fence System yet) and I need to know the width of that rail so my outfeed table doesn't get in the way for when I install the Incra fence.
I have an old Delta contractor saw which I want to upgrade either with an Incra fence and router table saw combo or totally replace it with a SawStop combination TS / router table. Aside from the repeatability of the Incra and safety of the SS, which option provides the most accuracy and ease of use? Thank you.
I wish I would have waited to get mine, I bought the original incra table saw fence system when they first came out. It had many issues. I contacted the inventor at that time about my concerns and next thing I knew the TS II system came out that fixed many of the issues I had complained about and they have continued to greatly improve the system, but I am stuck with my mediocre old original system for now.
Hey Mike. I am not familiar with the original system. I took a look at the TSII and the TSIII and they look very similar to the current model with the exception of the positioner itself. Is it possible to upgrade a few parts to make it current? Have you contacted Incra to see of this is possible without replacing the entire system?
GuysWoodshop Thanks for the idea! I could have a decent system if I could replace the 1 1/4" tubular steel rails that came with the original TS with the aluminum extrusion on the current systems. That is by far the biggest issue because the original fence just rolled along the top of the rails and doesn't clamp to them in any way. That causes front and back movement of the fence unless I manually clamp it down front and back every time I move it, and there is not always a place to easily do that with the underside of my Delta Contractor saw . I don't see anywhere that they sale just the rails. And I would need everything to attach the current system to the rails. I was wondering about just buying something like this off Ebay: www.ebay.com/itm/72-T-Slotted-Framing-Extrusion-80-20-1515-72-/222274523876?hash=item33c09812e4:g:mIgAAOSw4shX-DpB It looks like I might be able to modify/cut the existing rail mounts to work. It also looks like the incra jig should mount right to the 1 1/2" extrusion with no issue, so I would just need to figure out a way for the front/back of the fence to tighten down to the extrusion.
Nice video ! Do you know where I could buy the same table saw you use ? All seemes to be Incra tools but for a french guy, it is sometimes difficult to understand... Thanks
Hi Guy, first time viewer after I found your podcast, very informative video and ad a beginner woodworker at the young age of 57 I find myself trying to make more jigs than projects and that p***es me off. I'm interested in spending some cash so I can get on and make some projects and I believe this set up would be very useful, what is the extra wing off your table saw and is that needed to use the Incra fence? My table saw has only 2 cast iron wings. Thanks again and look for my donation to Patreon for the podcast.
Great video, I am debating getting this fence because my engineering brain cant help but question my current fence. The only issue is that I dont like how far the positioner sits over the table when you are making full length rips. What would the downsides be of using the 17" positioner instead of the 32"? Seems like you could move the positioner right and left on the rails very easily and just have positive stops for different zero points.
Thanks! 99% of the time, I am only setting the fence back 12" or less, so the arm doesn't sit over the edge of the saw that much. My shop set up allows me to have the postioner the full 32" over the edge, so it's not an issue. When I'm done making the cut, I simply pull it back in. I guess you could buy the system and put the 25" or the 17" positioner on it and use the positive stops for the larger cuts, but then you wouldn't be able to really use the incremental scale as easily. It may be more trouble than it's worth.
Hey Guy, (love your podcast btw!) I was just curious. Are there any advantages/disadvantages to this 32" that you have compared to the 52" Incra offers? I'm debating on which one to get for my Delta 36-725 table saw. Thanks for the review of this fine piece of machinery!
Great Incra Intro Video - It is one that led to purchasing the Incra 32 TS LS with Left side Router Table (Combo 1) which arrived this afternoon. Do you know of any sites that help with attaching/installing the TS LS on a RIDGID 4312 Table saw or any table saw .
Hey Jim, I don't know of any videos that help with attaching that fence to your particular saw. The instructions are pretty straightforward. If you run into issues, call their support phone number, Mark is awesome!
Guy... My wish was granted! Thanks for the video. I know you showed everything but just to double check , you don't have to (or you don't) lock down the fence to the back or front rail before cuts?
Hey Joel. You do not have to lock down the fence to make cuts. The only time you might want to is if you are using feather boards attached to the fence. I have had the fence system for 3 years and have never found it necessary yet. There is very little if no notable deflection in the fence under force. Locking the front and back of the rail prevents it from being raised up in other words.
I love this system, my only issue is the space it takes on the right side of the table saw if you need to do a wider cut. In other words, if your table saw is not set up kind of in the middle of your shop or at least around 36 inches away from a wall, amI right?
Hey Marc, you are absolutely correct. My shop allows for such a placement of my saw, some do not. I just measured the overhang, and it's 30" for my model. If your shop layout can handle it, it is well worth every penny.
Hey Guy (or other owners)! How do you store the fence and positioner assembly when you need to remove it from the saw to perform other operations? I'm wondering how well it can be safely hung (without damaging it) on a wall or if it breaks-down easily to store in pieces. I am thinking of those times when I will be using a miter, cross-cut sled, or tenoning jig (each of which I already own) and the protruding positioner arm would get in the way in my small shop.
Typically I just slide the fence and positioner off to the right, like you would for a wide rip cut. Do the work involving the sled, jig, etc. and then put the jig away and slide the fence back. It does have the locating bolts, so a person could slip it off and hang it on the wall easily enough if you needed the entire flat top of the saw unobstructed (like for assembly work).
I have had the TS/LS system for a couple days now and I just noticed in your video, your fence is a lot longer than mine. Is that an add on fence or something?
I was wondering how easy is the actual install of the fence system. did it require any drilling into the table saw leafs for the mounting hardware or how was it done?
Installation is pretty easy. Getting the fence dial in at the start can be a little finicky, and it takes a couple hours to set it up right. But once installed, it works like a dream. It didn't require any drill on my Powermatic PM2000. The mounting brackets are slotted so you can use the existing holes, and adjust the brackets up or down from the top if you need to. Go to incra.com and get the install instructions, they lay it all out with really clear, concise instruction.
This sounds like the Fence system I need. But I would definitely need to upgrade the Makita Portable Table Saw I inherited from my father to get full use out of this. I noticed that you have NO guards on the saw blade. Is this typical of big time table saws?
Great review...maybe you can help. I am striving to create a similar setup as you with the exception of having my router added to the right-side table saw extension (where your black extension wing is located). In your opinion, do you think that if the based is moved as far right as possible (to the edge of the black extension wing) and the fence is moved as close to the base as possible, the Wonder Fence (when installed) would interfere with the router bit? Thanks in advanced.
Thanks Jeff. I am not 100% sure. It might, however it will severely limit the amount of space between the fence and the bit. That might be a question to ask the tech support team at Incra.
Seems like most TS fence jigs out there are designed around Unifence or Beisemeyer clones. Any chance of a video on jigs you've adapted to the Incra TS-LS fence system?
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I've had this fence system for a number of years and YES it is that accurate and YES it is that good. The ability to repeat cuts to dead-on accuracy amazes me every time. Installation is not quick and needs to be done carefully and not rushed. The installation instructions Incra supplies are top-notch. Very clear, easy to follow, and made for a successful installation with no having to fiddle around later. All of Incra's products, I have found, are this way. It's really a bargain for all that it does and does well.
Everything incra makes is top notch. You did an excellent job in this review and hope to see you review more of their stuff. After watching your review, if I had the room I would not hesitate to buy this setup.
Thanks Sean! There is always room for one more tool in your shop. HaHa
I absolutely love my TS-LS. Beats the stock fences on all table saws, no question.
Couldn't agree more. There is no way I could go back to a regular t style fence.
Well said and well done Guy. I purchased the TS-LS 32 with the LS Super system about 2 years ago. Everything you said is right on the money. I was blown away by the quality of their products, but more so by the incredible accuracy and repeatability. Well worth the investment
+Wayne Brown Hey Wayne! I have seen the fence on your saw, so I knew you would be chiming in on how much you like it. I love mine too as you can tell by the video. Thanks for the nice comment!
Thank you for the video. I ordered the 52" system a couple of months ago and can't wait for it to arrive. I'm retired now, but hear you loud and clear when you say ".....the engineering side of your brain goes into overdrive...." lol I've subscribed!
I've had one of these for the last seven or so years so I can say that Guy's review 100% accurate. I bought mine when I upgraded one of those awful pipe style fences on a Delta Contractor saw. I've since upgraded to a Jet cabinet saw. It came with with a Biesemeyer style fence that has never been used because I'll never let go of the Incra. (And yes, I have used a Biesemeyer on other saws.) What's more should you ever need it, their customer support is top notch. Nice review Guy!
Thanks Mark! I have had this fence for about 3 years now. It has changed the way I work, and how efficiently I can work. You know exactly how I feel.
The message in this video so perfectly fits a problem I have had for so long with a solution so perfect, I wish I could bottle the sensation up to feel like someone understands me at my day job.
Cool!
Good video, well presented, no waffle and no padding. Thanks
Guy I think you should get a commission for this sales job right here. Excellent video! I was always intimidated when I saw videos of people using this fence system, but no longer.
+chiggymonkey Thanks chiggymonkey. This was a sponsored video, however I truly love this system.
Great Video! I have the old TS-III system. I've had it for about 30 years now. The heart and soul of my shop. Mine doesn't have the threaded rod and the micro adjuster on the TS-LS mode seems to be better but I'm still a happy camper.
Right on!
I am picking up my TS LS Joinery System and the Incra Router Lift II and clean sweep tomorrow, I like the detail of your videos on this system. I wish you would make more.
Such an awesome piece of equipment, regardless of skillset. Newbies can cut with the confidence of a master. Love this!
Excellent demo! Ive watched the videos at Incra but you explain and show it better. I have a Delta unifence now, but its old and I want to completely redo my setup. I am going to build a mobile saw cabinet, get this Incra fence and also install the router lift etc where the left wing is on the saw. That will get me closer to the router without leaning over etc. Thank you
Thanks for watching!
SOLD ! I'm going to order this system for my table saw.
Did you get it?
I've got the same fence. LOVE IT!! No more checking the front and back of the blade to the fence...just set it and CUT. Right on every time!
I'm with you! This fence is the s****!
I've done the same thing you did with creating the 1/32, 1/16 cut...and honestly I total woodworking moron. It's just super easy and brings your wood working game UP about 10 levels.
Woodworking moron.... me too!
This will be my next investment ( save money for) because I am doing the " bump and pray " method and it just drives me crazy not to mention the wasted wood factor. Thank you so much for the information I really appreciate it
Thanks for watching Thom! If you get one, you won't regret it.
Great video Guy! I purchased the Incra fence based on watching your previous videos (kept seeing it in the videos) and I couldn't be happier! It has been a great system. I can probably say that my wife probably doesn't want me to watch any more of your videos because I bought the Grizzly jointer that you have also!!! Don't worry, I can't wait for the next video!! Keep up the great work!
HaHa. Thanks Doug! It is an awesome system, isn't it?
Best review I've seen in a while.
Thanks J!
Love it. I will definitely be getting an Incra fence system for sure
Incra have very accurate products & not overly expensive, I don't have this but admire your demonstration on it 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks Dirk!
Excellent video! answered all the questions I had about this fence. Also, I didn't know about the router fence attachment. Thanks!
+Make Build Modify Its a great system and it is one of the best investments I have made for the shop.
As much as I love the metric system, halfs/sixteenths and thirty-seconds feel so much intuitive while working with wood. Great review, thanks!
Great review and instruction, Guy. This always looked like a fantastic system, but after watching this I know it is!
+Steve Collins That s is a great system. Thanks for watching Steve,
Incra can make anyone cut like a pro. I would like to see this on a sliding table saw. Great job Guy!
This fence is the best add on accessory for the table saw if you want accurate easy cuts.
Based on the price of my miter 1000HD I thought this system was going to be thousands of dollars. $420 is very reasonable! Thanks for a great video, this is now on my wishlist.
whitey211 exactly what I was thinking. They got some back on shipping but 530 out the door is pretty good.
Nice video presentation Guy! I've been using a incra miter 1000 for many years and just recently have seen how much more accurately I can work using products like these. I have a 54 inch biesemeyer style fence and am very impressed by your setup! Definitely can see this in my future
that's the most beautiful fence i've ever seen
Its a great Idea will solve a lot of problems on the table saws of whatever .models!
Great video Guy, but why don't you tighten down the black knob on the end of the fence after each adjustment? I thought you always had to do that.
I am a huge Incra fan as a user of the router table system. This table saw fence looks like it is equally wonderful, however, it does not look like it has the ability to work where the fence is to the left of the blade. Is that correct? (like for bevel cuts, its much safer (for right tilting saws) to have the fence on the left so the work is not wedged between the blade and the fence.)
Brilliant Guy. Just one question before I order. Exactly how much space do you need from the right end of the rail when the arm is fully out for maximum rip.
Nice work Guy. I've got the same system and love it. Worth every penny.
Thanks Brian! Yeah, it's awesome.
Will be getting this system soon the 10-12 weeks on the order is very bad. Incra hire more people!
Thanks Guy, now I feel like I really need this. I have been screwing around with a stock fence since 1993. I guess it's time for an upgrade. Thanks for another great video
Thanks Shaun! It's a great system, and you won't regret making the investment in it.
I have a few Incra products and love them all.
Someday I'd love to own that fence system.
Thanks for showing how cool it is Guy.
+Eric Rusch Sr It's a great piece of equipment. I can't imagine being without it!
Thanks for this video. I actually have the incra fence system and love it. But had forgotten all the other cool things it does and had only been using it for making precise rip cuts. Thanks for the reminder of all the other cool things this fence can do!
Thanks Justin!
Very nice. I could definitely use one. Instead of the 'bump and tap', I've been using a clamped nut and threaded rod to push the fence when high accuracy is needed (i'm sure you've seen these DIY adjusters), but the INCRA looks like it would be more convenient.
+GarageWoodworks Thanks Brian! I've watched the video you did (you did do one, didn't you?) on your micro adjust system. This goes way beyond that with being able to do repetitive cuts. It truly is set it to the mark, and make the cut knowing it is exactly the dimension you want. It has changed the way I work, and couldn't imagine being with it.
+GarageWoodworks Thanks Brian! I've watched the video you did (you did do one, didn't you?) on your micro adjust system. This goes way beyond that with being able to do repetitive cuts. It truly is set it to the mark, and make the cut knowing it is exactly the dimension you want. It has changed the way I work, and couldn't imagine being with it.
Yes, I made one. I only break it out when really necessary. The INCRA
definitely looks pretty tough.
It is a sexy b****! HaHa. And there is some backlash you have to deal with, as on anything that involves a lead screw. Typically 4 or 5/1000"
You make a good case for it :) You can take out some of the bump and pray for small adjustments with a dial indicator but that's no good for large adjustments. Plus my fence has a handy random adjustment feature when you lock it down which makes the whole dial indicator experience tons of fun.
Thanks Kevin! I wonder if Incra will add a randomizer to their line soon?
I really wanted to get the Incra fence, but I don't have a lot of width in my shop and couldn't really handle that extra bit of fence poking out into the rest of the shop when I'm shuffling around between tools. Ended up with the VSC Tools fence and Wixey positioner. It's amazingly accurate, but definitely still involves bumping the fence around, just with a DRO :)
+Kirby Weldon Hey Kirby. That is something I thought about also before I pulled the trigger in it. After living with it a while, you quickly realize most of your cuts on the saw are under 12" or so. If you need to move it all the way back to use something like your sled, you get used to moving the fence back in so you don't bump into the carriage. It takes getting used too, but the benefits of the fence outweigh a few changes in method.
That bolt on the end of the rail I assume is a stopper for the fence? If you removed it, the fence could continue off the rail unobstructed? I'm wanting to get the 32" model, then get another set of 32" rails to attach to a mobile cart so I could extend the width to 64" by pulling the other cart up to my main workbench. Do you think that would work? I have limited space and only have 32" in my garage for storage, but I could roll another cart next to it when I wheel the mobile workstation into the middle of the garage if that makes sense.
Great demo, Guy! I didn't get it until now. Very impressive!
Hey Charlie! Thanks!
As an engineer, I live with the same torment as you....... the quest to make perfect cuts, at the correct size, that are perfectly square. This fence is clearly just the ticket, and I can appreciate everything it does, and how it does it so repeatably. Now, if I can just figure out how to get it on my Hammer K3, and/or how to get one for the sliding table side of the K3, I would be in heaven. BTW, that's a curious shaped wound on your wrist..... hope that didn't come from a shop incident.
HaHa. Precision is a disability sometimes in the shop. I don't how you would attach it to a European style saw. It is an interesting idea though!
At about 9 minutes in, you were talking about fitting a drawer panel that was 13/64 (I think). You made 1 cut then advanced the fence 1/16”. Then you grabbed a handful on the micro adjust knob. You needed 5/64”. How many clicks is that? thnx
Thank for a great video! Is it the XL version of this system in the video?
Great review Guy. I'm been looking at this fence for a long time. Now I'm ready.
I've read that the 32" model can do more that 32" if you move the rails to the right. Is this correct?
I have a PM66 and the router would naturally go on the right side(where the wooden filler is from the operator position). How does the fence work in this case? ................ or does it?
How much aggrivation to mount this system to a PM66? Is it a simple unbolt/rebolt system? JimE
Great review. Very thorough and high quality video. Thanks for taking the time and effort to do a nice job. I think you sold me!
Thanks!
Great video Guy! What a great system! Incra makes such high quality amazing pieces, I love all the ones I have!
Thanks Jenny! This fence has changed the workflow in my shop completely. Great investment.
Jesus!? This fence is out of control incredible!
Cool, huh?
Hi Guy - first of all love your stuff and your knowledge and love your podcast w/ Woodshop Life. I know this video is a bit old but how did you set up that table extension wing (black) in the video and connect it to the fence rails.
Getting a jet table saw with a leeson 5hp motor and one of these fences, only for 650 very excited
What’s it like to fit to the table of the table saw? Surely it needs drilling and tapping of the table? Not that that can’t be done, but might be tricky drilling large accurate holes into the side of a cast iron table?
Fantastic video! You make a strong argument for upgrading!
Thanks Dan! I just posted a code in the description for 10% off the system. You'll love it!
I have been using the incra fence for 3 years now. It is very accurate, BUT it takes up more room than any other fence I have seen. If you have the room, great. If you don't, maybe see if you can relocate your saw or use a different fence.
My rails are quite a bit longer than the ones in this video, I can cut 60". When it is set up for this cut the incra is 90ish inches off the side of the blade.
Agreed. You have to have the room off of the right side of the saw for the arm to extend. I have also over the years gotten used to bringing the fence back up to the blade when I am done with a cut, so I don't accidentally bang into it.
I have thought a lot about this. I think the Incra is nice, but I also think it is not necessary and takes up too much room. I was looking at the very super cool tools fence and I think it looks very handy.
I'm keeping my Incra setup on the router table though. I bought a shaper and power feeder a while back and use it way more than the router table at the moment.
I got an extra power feed base and drilled my tablesaw top for it. Makes batching rail and style material go pretty nice.
I just ordered a 32" setup for the micro-adjust and repeatability feature. If I had a production shop with a dedicated 8' long outfeed table I'd buy the 52". I use a panel-saw and a demountable cutting table for breaking down sheet goods.
Very nice Guy! An awesome description and presentation! Thanks so much!!
Hey Donny! Thanks for watching and the nice comment!
You just sold me on this fence! Wife won't be to happy. :)
HaHa. Thanks!
Thanks for the great review. I noticed the (fresh?) scar on your right wrist - is it from the table saw?
I have the LS-25 on my router table and love it. The table saw fence is on my want list
+Ken Willis It's not for everyone, but I love it!
I would only say this about the fence system: If you get the long rails it takes up a LOT of space in your shop. the rails are always hanging out there, no matter where the fence is set. And the beam that the fence rides on can stick out too. It's an amazing fence system and I love it but it's something to keep in mind if you have a small shop.
I agree. I have recently bought the LS Positioner for my router table and absolutely love it. I still have some calibration to go as I bought the Wonderfence version in metric (I live in Australia). The metric version is a bit of a challenge, but the challenge is not insurmountable. I am now about to purchase the Table Saw version and I have decided on the short version, mainly for space considerations, but also because my main focus is fine box making. The LS system means I can take that to a whole new level. I considered converting to a router/table Saw combination but decided against it as it would restrict my workflow.
Great presentation about the TS-LS fence, Guy. I have Incra's 1000HD Miter gauge and I love it. If I had a better saw, I would have the TS-LS fence on it.
You can use the incra fence on almost any saw. Then if you upgrade your saw you can move the fence to your new saw.
Thanks Dave! I really love this fence, well worth every penny.
Agreed that's what I did. When I got my new TS, I ordered it without the fence.
Do you have any videos on making jigs for this fence? I'm unclear how you can add a saddle style jig, such as for a tenoning jig.
The t track built into the face of the fence and on top of the fence gives you a lot of option to attach jigs to and they can slide across. Unfortunately I don't have any video dedicated to them. However they can be found in some of videos. My latest video (Curly Ash Wall Cabinet) has a sliding jig that I use to cut the angle on the top of the case.
5 years on, would you still recommend this fence? About to pull the trigger on it, but I'm on the fence simply because of how it sticks out when cutting something wide, cramped shop.
With that Incra TS-LS rail between your table saw and outfeed table, what is the distance there? I'm trying to build a workbench around my table saw (have not ordered my Saw Fence System yet) and I need to know the width of that rail so my outfeed table doesn't get in the way for when I install the Incra fence.
Thanks for raising the bar
I have an old Delta contractor saw which I want to upgrade either with an Incra fence and router table saw combo or totally replace it with a SawStop combination TS / router table. Aside from the repeatability of the Incra and safety of the SS, which option provides the most accuracy and ease of use? Thank you.
Will this fit on my old delta cabinet saw ? And what is the price for this? Thanks for the video
I wish I would have waited to get mine, I bought the original incra table saw fence system when they first came out. It had many issues. I contacted the inventor at that time about my concerns and next thing I knew the TS II system came out that fixed many of the issues I had complained about and they have continued to greatly improve the system, but I am stuck with my mediocre old original system for now.
Hey Mike. I am not familiar with the original system. I took a look at the TSII and the TSIII and they look very similar to the current model with the exception of the positioner itself. Is it possible to upgrade a few parts to make it current? Have you contacted Incra to see of this is possible without replacing the entire system?
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Thanks for the idea! I could have a decent system if I could replace the 1 1/4" tubular steel rails that came with the original TS with the aluminum extrusion on the current systems. That is by far the biggest issue because the original fence just rolled along the top of the rails and doesn't clamp to them in any way. That causes front and back movement of the fence unless I manually clamp it down front and back every time I move it, and there is not always a place to easily do that with the underside of my Delta Contractor saw . I don't see anywhere that they sale just the rails. And I would need everything to attach the current system to the rails. I was wondering about just buying something like this off Ebay:
www.ebay.com/itm/72-T-Slotted-Framing-Extrusion-80-20-1515-72-/222274523876?hash=item33c09812e4:g:mIgAAOSw4shX-DpB
It looks like I might be able to modify/cut the existing rail mounts to work. It also looks like the incra jig should mount right to the 1 1/2" extrusion with no issue, so I would just need to figure out a way for the front/back of the fence to tighten down to the extrusion.
Hey Guy, can you use the saw fence in conjunction with the Incra saw sled or do you have to remove the fence completely from the saw table?
I love my Incra miter gauge . I'm learning new things every day Thanks Guy love the video Regards BobLee
Hey Bob! Thanks!
Thanks Guy....I just have to save my pennies up to buy this one day. Thanks for the walk through
+Chuck Hart Thanks for watching and glad you like it Chuck,
What are the vertical elements at the end of you fence on the positioned side and near the end of your cast iron table on the positioner side?
SOLD ! I'm going to order a table saw for this system!
Good Video. How do you use this if your router is installed into the right-hand MDF side table?
Simply flip the assembly around
Good video Guy and I couldn't agree more, love my Incra fence.
Thanks Steve!
I just got mine, and I love it.
"The engineering side of your brain goes into overdrive" haha! I feel this so much
Nice video !
Do you know where I could buy the same table saw you use ?
All seemes to be Incra tools but for a french guy, it is sometimes difficult to understand...
Thanks
Well done Guy I'm Sold. It sounds like a lot easier to setup then i then I thought.
Thanks Mike! If you do, let me know and I'll help you set it up.
Hi Guy, first time viewer after I found your podcast, very informative video and ad a beginner woodworker at the young age of 57 I find myself trying to make more jigs than projects and that p***es me off. I'm interested in spending some cash so I can get on and make some projects and I believe this set up would be very useful, what is the extra wing off your table saw and is that needed to use the Incra fence? My table saw has only 2 cast iron wings. Thanks again and look for my donation to Patreon for the podcast.
Wow! If Incra is not paying you as a salesperson they should. Easy to sell something your are passionate about.
Thanks! I really believe in this product, as you can probably tell :)
Repeatable. Thanks for the demo!
Thanks for watching!
That's great I have wanted one of those for a long time for my saw
Thanks Warren! Definitely worth the investment
Great video, I am debating getting this fence because my engineering brain cant help but question my current fence. The only issue is that I dont like how far the positioner sits over the table when you are making full length rips. What would the downsides be of using the 17" positioner instead of the 32"? Seems like you could move the positioner right and left on the rails very easily and just have positive stops for different zero points.
Thanks! 99% of the time, I am only setting the fence back 12" or less, so the arm doesn't sit over the edge of the saw that much. My shop set up allows me to have the postioner the full 32" over the edge, so it's not an issue. When I'm done making the cut, I simply pull it back in. I guess you could buy the system and put the 25" or the 17" positioner on it and use the positive stops for the larger cuts, but then you wouldn't be able to really use the incremental scale as easily. It may be more trouble than it's worth.
Hey Guy, (love your podcast btw!) I was just curious. Are there any advantages/disadvantages to this 32" that you have compared to the 52" Incra offers? I'm debating on which one to get for my Delta 36-725 table saw. Thanks for the review of this fine piece of machinery!
My 32" comes in today for the same saw, I'll let you know!
Great Incra Intro Video - It is one that led to purchasing the Incra 32 TS LS with Left side Router Table (Combo 1) which arrived this afternoon. Do you know of any sites that help with attaching/installing
the TS LS on a RIDGID 4312 Table saw or any table saw .
Hey Jim, I don't know of any videos that help with attaching that fence to your particular saw. The instructions are pretty straightforward. If you run into issues, call their support phone number, Mark is awesome!
I have the exact table saw you have. Can you give me the exact dimensions of those wooden strips on the sides of the black extension piece?
Guy... My wish was granted! Thanks for the video. I know you showed everything but just to double check , you don't have to (or you don't) lock down the fence to the back or front rail before cuts?
Hey Joel. You do not have to lock down the fence to make cuts. The only time you might want to is if you are using feather boards attached to the fence. I have had the fence system for 3 years and have never found it necessary yet. There is very little if no notable deflection in the fence under force. Locking the front and back of the rail prevents it from being raised up in other words.
I love this system, my only issue is the space it takes on the right side of the table saw if you need to do a wider cut. In other words, if your table saw is not set up kind of in the middle of your shop or at least around 36 inches away from a wall, amI right?
Hey Marc, you are absolutely correct. My shop allows for such a placement of my saw, some do not. I just measured the overhang, and it's 30" for my model. If your shop layout can handle it, it is well worth every penny.
You started with a Powermatic standard 30" rip fence model?
I just bought the Incra 1000 Ls the adjustment screws for the miter slot are extremely hard to turn is that normal
Hey Guy (or other owners)! How do you store the fence and positioner assembly when you need to remove it from the saw to perform other operations? I'm wondering how well it can be safely hung (without damaging it) on a wall or if it breaks-down easily to store in pieces. I am thinking of those times when I will be using a miter, cross-cut sled, or tenoning jig (each of which I already own) and the protruding positioner arm would get in the way in my small shop.
Typically I just slide the fence and positioner off to the right, like you would for a wide rip cut. Do the work involving the sled, jig, etc. and then put the jig away and slide the fence back. It does have the locating bolts, so a person could slip it off and hang it on the wall easily enough if you needed the entire flat top of the saw unobstructed (like for assembly work).
great demo Guy, I hope that Incra is going to honor it somehow!
Thanks Tamas! Incra did sponsor me for this video, and are going to use it on their own website. Absolutely wonderful people working there!
+GuysWoodshop that's great news Guy, congratulation!
I have had the TS/LS system for a couple days now and I just noticed in your video, your fence is a lot longer than mine. Is that an add on fence or something?
It's awesome . I'm going to buy it. Thank's for the video.
I was wondering how easy is the actual install of the fence system. did it require any drilling into the table saw leafs for the mounting hardware or how was it done?
Installation is pretty easy. Getting the fence dial in at the start can be a little finicky, and it takes a couple hours to set it up right. But once installed, it works like a dream. It didn't require any drill on my Powermatic PM2000. The mounting brackets are slotted so you can use the existing holes, and adjust the brackets up or down from the top if you need to. Go to incra.com and get the install instructions, they lay it all out with really clear, concise instruction.
as always thanks for the informative video! that is an AWESOME system.
Hey Joe! It is an awesome piece of equipment. The best investment I have made in the shop.
+GuysWoodshop if i had a table saw worthy of it id definitely make the investment but ,,,,its not..haha
I have the old TS system that uses the plastic racks instead of the threaded rod. It's still like new after 20 plus years.
I love my Incra fence. Can't imagine the saw without it!
This sounds like the Fence system I need. But I would definitely need to upgrade the Makita Portable Table Saw I inherited from my father to get full use out of this. I noticed that you have NO guards on the saw blade. Is this typical of big time table saws?
It did come with one, however I just don't have it on the saw
Great review...maybe you can help.
I am striving to create a similar setup as you with the exception of having my router added to the right-side table saw extension (where your black extension wing is located). In your opinion, do you think that if the based is moved as far right as possible (to the edge of the black extension wing) and the fence is moved as close to the base as possible, the Wonder Fence (when installed) would interfere with the router bit? Thanks in advanced.
Thanks Jeff. I am not 100% sure. It might, however it will severely limit the amount of space between the fence and the bit. That might be a question to ask the tech support team at Incra.
Can you use this on a saw stop jobsite saw?
Seems like most TS fence jigs out there are designed around Unifence or Beisemeyer clones. Any chance of a video on jigs you've adapted to the Incra TS-LS fence system?
Hey Monte. Any jigs I have now either ride in the miter slots or against the fence, not over it.
Great review I'm definitely getting one, one day