Why Louie Simmons (Westside) Thinks Steroids Shouldn't Be Criminalized: Documentary | Bonus 2
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One of the biggest crimes in professional sports is the use of steroids and performance-enhancing drugs. Those on the other side don't deny the competitive advantage anabolic steroids give. But they also believe that it doesn't make you an amazing athlete. Those skills are god-given. Louie Simmons biggest issue with the ban on steroids is the hypocritical scapegoating that it gets versus other forms of substance abuse.
In a world where just about anyone can call themselves a “trainer,” Louie Simmons reigns as the “Godfather” of strength training. As a world-class powerlifter, Louie made a name for himself breaking numerous records and innovating strength through his Eastern-bloc training methodology. His “invite-only” gym in Columbus, Ohio (Westside Barbell) has has become the mecca for elite athletes looking to become the best in the world. But behind this 1,200 square-foot room where elite athletes undergo extraordinary physical transformations lies extreme training and non-stop action with Louie Simmons guiding through it all.
In our latest story, "State of Strength," we went to Westside Barbell and spent a morning with Louie and his guys training.
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There is nothing wrong with steroids . Just don't compete in a tested federation.
@Gomer Gilligan i think he means on a morale level
Gomer Gilligan Even if there are, it’s not your place to decide what another does with their body
Just don’t get caught* in a tested federation. Everyone’s using them regardless of federation.
Yours is an uninformed opinion.
@@ShaneTumminello post nose
in my opinion there is nothing wrong with steroids I just don't like the fact that so many athletes aren't open like Louie
Exactly either be open about or just shut up and not claim you're natty.
Many athletes have to deny being on vitamin s because it is forbidden in their respective federations. Doesn't make sense for others to lie though.
This!!
if one person is allowed to take them, everyone will have to take them to compete. i don't like it, i hate unfair competition and unnatural records, but if you aren't going to test heavily then don't ban it
@@m1ckyg21 the chemists will always be 1 step ahead. They will always have a compound that can't be detected. Goes back to what Louie said: "it's not against the law to take peds, it's against the law to get caught taking peds". Whether you want to admit it or not, the majority of them are taking something. Make it legal & educate the athlete on what they're taking because they've been around since the 50s & they're not gonna be going anywhere.
He said, "Steroids don't make you better." He made several good points except that one. If they don't make you better, then why is he and the people he coaches taking them?
for recovery
So having a nearly unlimited recovery capacity doesn't make you better? The simple fact is that they do make you better. You still have to put in work to get results, but to say they don't assist in making you better is delusional.
jim jones Back to my original point then, if they don't make you better, then why take them? In clinical studies adult males injected with steroids that didn't lift actually had a net increase in muscle that exceeded adult men that only trained with weights over a 12 week study, so it's technically not even accurate to say that it's all the work, but I would concede that given a longer study the men that were lifting would out perform the men that only took steroids without lifting, and eventually the increase in muscle mass would halt without the stimulation of resistance in the steroid group. And no, I'm not stupid, but the amount of butt hurt coming from you makes me think that you probably use steroids and still suck at lifting so you have to come up with reasons why it's all work for you and your buddies like Jason Blaha.
what a goof he is
Well steroids aren't going to just add 500 pounds to your total you still need to put in the work. But they definitely do help.
> “Steroids don’t make you better .”
>”If you’re doing a performance sport , why wouldn’t you take something to make you perform better.”
Pick one and only one
Chandiwira Beza I think the point he was making is that the dudes in his gym don’t show up do some roids do some curls and go home. The steroids don’t make you better they help you perform better in conjunction with your training. Making you better and helping you get more out of your training.
I choose statement number two. That is logical.
It doesn’t make a world class powerlifter it’s the training and mentality you have to have it in you
I want to believe he was saying steroids on their own don’t make you better. They allow you to recover faster/train harder
He literally said it’s all mental
RIP LOUIE. YOU WILL BE MISSED
Criminilization doesn't work. Didn't work with alcohol. Doesn't work with drugs now.
Best. Account name. Yet.
When I'm doing hypertrophy work I always make sure to hold the concentric on the last rep to remember Zyzz.
Goodnight, aesthetic prince.
And yet it does work.
rudiratte1 - According to whom? Colorado has had a giant **decrease** in crime and they have created **new** schools and jobs from the 15% revenue increase.
Steroids, specifically, we all know that the tops are taking Steroids, the Mr. Olympia contest is "tested", and yet look where we are on that front. People have been banging steroids on stage since well **before** Schwarzenegger's day, starting right back in
1930.
www.rogersandmoss.com/blog/14-criminal-law-articles/56-two-years-later-has-the-legalization-of-marijuana-affected-crime-in-colorado
www.thecannabist.co/2015/05/21/colorado-marijuana-crime-stats/29784/
www.mintpressnews.com/new-schools-less-crime-colorado-sees-benefits-of-marijuana-legalization/208751/
Zyzzus Christ Better than nothing right?
So True where there a will there a way
I love that he brought this up. “If you got a better coach than me, are you cheating? There’s nothing fair in sports.” We allow for *SO* many unfair advantages in sports that drawing an arbitrary line at PEDs is honestly wild.
You must be young or immature to believe his nonsense.
@@larrymaloney877 That’s an odd accusation. Immature? I would expect like “stupid” or “ignorant” but immature? Why’s that?
@@kylebernadyn2465 I guess stupid or ignorant explains some lifters' beliefs about nutrition and drugs. But many ar just young, therefore inexperienced and easily impressed by strength achievements. An older person with similar beliefs can be chalked up as immature (not fully developed emotionally.) They are still children in therimindset. Regardless of the words you choose to describe them, Louie Simmons is doing a disservice to others claiming it's unfair to have a better coach. We can make all things equal to all people. Now that's stupid! And Louie, of all people whining about coaches not being equal. As much as he wrote on the Conjugate lifting system, he always fills his writings with so much mumbo jumbo it was hard to pin him down to a simple concise procedure. He sold lots of books based on ambiguity. IF the reader didn't understand one book, he bought another-more money for Louie Simmons. He destroyed his health with drugs and protein supplements and animal products -overloading his kidneys until they failed, a sad example of nutritional ignorance.
@@larrymaloney877 So are we going with stupid, ignorant, young, or immature?
@@kylebernadyn2465 Depends on the individual. If we are talking about you I'd go with "stupid."
Lots of good points about everything being upside down but I also think that it's up to the sporting commissions to decide what is illegal for that specific sport and what isn't and you have to follow the rules.
Or just don’t get caught breaking them
Louie Simmons was a great marketer...a skilled hustler. Never mistake his hustle with fact. He's no authority on the harm caused by steroids. And clearly, he had no concept of "fair." Still, Louie has easily confused many minds reading these comments.
Right on point Louie! 🎯👊
I respect the openness in the video. I personally wouldn't take steroids myself because I want to see what I can do myself. I don't compete or anything in powerlifting or any other sport though, I just do it for fun. Drugs should only be illegal if it is truly deadly or affects others around you negatively. Steroids won't kill you nor will they negatively affect those around you. Why they are illegal if it fits that criteria?
there are are very valid points but they definitely offer a recuperative edge. its not ALL in the will power.
SwingThis Kettlebell and Functional Strength Of course. I have used in the past, but I have too many personal issues going on at the moment in order to focus enough effort into my gym work. The long recovery times really set you back as a natural trainer.
Absolutely it is in the will-power. They allow you to train harder and more often. They make it possible for you to do more work. It absolutely takes will power to benefit from the use of anabolics, to do the work, to eat the food.
Steroids are legal for personal use in most places outside the US. Steroids are legal for personal use in Canada, no horrible problems in that country.
Not at all...
I get his points but I think they miss something key which is that we shouldnt be promoting people doing things that will make sport less fair and additionally destroy people's health. These bodybuilders and WWF wrestlers dropping dead at age 40 is the exact reason we should keep people off that stuff. When people are on their deathbed due to hypertrophy of the heart or other issues I doubt most would look back and say it was worth it
Those wrestlers and bodybuilders who drop dead at 40 aren't dropping dead from steroid usage. Many of them also abuse alcohol, pain killers, recreational drugs, etc. Contrary to the bs that the media puts out, there has never been a verifiable death due to steroid usage. They can be used safely.
he's absolutely right nothing is fair in sports
Louie= the GOAT and true guru on everything powerlifting. He knows everything that is practical and effective in the world of strength sports.
Nothing practical about steroids or cheating.
Took mine this morning. You all know Prince Adam is jacked and sauced to the gills.
I agree 1000% with most of what Louie is saying here. I think steroids have always been in sports since the 1950's onward, at least. It wasn't the same as it is today, of course, because back then you only had access to testosterone and then later Dbol. But that stuff's been around for decades upon decades. We just never thought it was "cheating" until the propaganda of the 1980s. It's no different than the "reefer madness" of the 1930s. Or prohibition in the 1920s. Propaganda against something people in the general population just do not understand.
The problem is, that steroids have always been a health problem. Poor diet and steroids shortened Louie's life.
Real talk like this needs to happen more. I know some guys try to come out openly about it like Louie Simmons is. Some people get so defensive about the whole thing.
I remember pondering about whether Michael Jordan used steroids and people got so freaking defensive. It wouldn't surprise me. Endurance athletes in the Olympics have been being caught since the late 80s. But at the end of the day, only he himself would know. It doesn't take away even a bit from how great of a player he was.
Guys like Lebron now are very likely taking them, imo.
Noor Khan I would never say for certain, but basketball doesn't really call for AAS, don't you think? I mean, they might improve their vertical jump a little, be a bit faster on the court, maybe. I guess every bit counts, but I think there are some sports where you would gain very little from doping, like soccer.
+HappyPantsTime. Yes any sport can benefit. pED stent only for building muscle. As you said before about recovery time. That's what it is majorly for basketball and baseball...recovery time decrease from all the time played.
***** ALL athletes benefit from steroids. It increases every aspect of performance. Endurance, pain tolerance, recovery time, strength, power....everything. Soccer players could expect all of those things as well. It's use and effects are well known in track & field, and soccer players would benefit the same exact same way they do.
+KongLuvs right, there is a steroid for nearly everything in sports.
Clen Jones Hey shit helps plants grow... shit is good for earth lol
Steroids in moderation is the fountain of youth .. if you choose to use .. start in your late 20’s or 30’s 1. monitor your blood work and adjust as needed .. 2.. give blood .. eat well .. of course last but not least..3 .. work out with weights and do cardio ..
If they don't help, then why take them? It's the same argument as the guys who say a deadlift bar doesn't help. If it doesn't help, why use one?
Curt ST. ROMAIN it helps with recovery. You still have to eat right and train hard.
Absolutely spot on. The hypocrisy is so apparent it’s insulting.
No drug use should be criminalized, it's absolutely ridiculous that people are thrown in jail for taking a drug.
Correct. The state should not be allowed to tell an adult what he can ingest.
great guy
My dad always says "just let them take whatever they want, but have them print it on their shirts so at least you see whats working best right at the finish line"
So..you just insult Louie in the description?
Wtf?
Even in death, Louie must be accountable for his nonsense about steroids.
Straw-man, what-about arguments. Besides his argument that they slow aging processes, he largely deflects.
I was told if someone take steroids and not work out they will get fat as hell you still got to work your ass off
RESPECT
Watch the documentary Bigger stronger Faster 👑✌
Is it on RUclips?
West side vs the world! Best documentary of all time just sayin👀
If you wanna take one thing away from this entire video: “there’s nothing fair in sports”
Abusing it is bad plus what happens when you quit
Have you seen the East German athletes of the 70's and 80's? The females used to look like males and many of them are still suffering physically and mentally from all the drug abuse.
"According to the Doping-Opfer-Hilfe association for doping victims, 90 percent of the athletes recognized as doping victims have serious health issues".
--newsweek
I recommend people to read this article. It details the adverse health effect of steroid on the East German athletes. www.newsweek.com/east-germanys-steroid-shame-253840
When you introduce drugs into sports, you are basically saying "How much are you willing to abuse your body for the sake of winning?"
saucy05 if you want to be the best, you'll do what it takes to be the best
corey smash Competing in sports shouldn't be about who is willing to commit suicide to gain an advantage.
You can still strive to be the best in the current rules, but your avenues for improving yourself will be limited. You can think of it as rules of the game. In basketball you can't simply run with the ball without dribbling because that's the rule. So why is it hard to accept the no drug rule?
you want to be the best, you'll do what it takes....plain and simple.....look at the history of sports....test has been out since '39. do the math on the great ones and prove that they never ran the gear for a season
***** As far as governments involvement, yes, i do agree it's none of their business what a person decides to put in their body.
But sports organization have every right to institute drug laws to protect their athletes.
saucy05 i don't know were Doping-Opfer-Hilfe association or newsweek get there stats from but i'm around doped athletes of ages and i've yet to meet a victim.
I agree
ive never seen worse tattos on a human
Lol those captain america tattoos on his wrist
Paul Pruett actually if you look at his video about only working at 90% or something like that.. which was done in 2010 he didnt have any of the shitty arm tatts especially the captain america ones on his wrists so they arent really that old they are just shitty tattoos since the day he got them period also if you got and watch his run faster video with louie simmons which was done in 2015 his captain america tatts on his wrist are partially there but not completely finished so tht means them tatts are only maybe just a little over year old
Shaun B wow, you sure do know a lot about his arm tats
I've seen worse, even see a spoon hold hands with a fork on a foot
Tanner Cannon I actually have but not by much. He must drink a lot and have a buddy with a tattoo kit.
Oooooh the pain pill comment was nice our world Is inside down.
Subtitles please.....
Anabolics most certainly can kill you... The way some compounds synthesize and eromatise in the body can lead to elevated colestorals kidney and liver functions from enzyme synthesis do research and talk to people who understand that world b4 assuming what you hear
Heart stress, mental health, insuline sensitivity reactions
How many people have died from steroids? All these old ex bodybuilders are thriving in their 70’s. They were juiced to the gills back in the day.
You don't really know what you're talking about.
No they're not. They've had kidney transplants or died, had heart surgery, etc. Don't cherry-pick, look at them all. Besides they are private about medical issues. Louie, himself, just died of heart disease and kidney failure.
Four minutes and I already like him a lot.
Fact is many fat burners and preworkouts contain harmful ingredients. But as far as prescription drugs,many like painkillers are in my opinion worse than steroids,same goes for antidepressants
I've been lifting for 18 yrs now all-natural oh boy roid users are fucking strong!
so all that means that i have to start tren ?
Who says it's okay to do heroin or cocaine? No one says that.
man was a legend
It would had been interessting to hear his opinion on, what steroids do with your psyche!!
Too bad he wasn't smart enough to talk about what steroids do to your health.
@@larrymaloney877 Ohh, well he reached quite a good age. Acceptable as drugs abusing powerlifter...
@@GangdamStyle20 he took 20 years off his life. I bet Louie wouldn't say it's acceptable.
@@larrymaloney877 Life expenctancy in the US is 78.8. He passes with 74.5, so nowhrere neat you 20 years!!
@@GangdamStyle20 like Louie Simmons, you are nutritionally ignorant. The "life expectancy" is based on sickly, obese Americans eating the typical western diet of meat & dairy. Like Louie, most die prematurely of heart disease, kidney failure, diabetes, obesity, autoimmune disease, etc. Don't eat meat & dairy and you'll live much healthier and longer, on average. And in Louie's case, don't do drugs (steroids.)
This makes me want to go get sauced up
People should be allowed to do what they want with their bodies, but in our world where perfection and being the best you can be is so overly glorified, it's hard not to feel fucked over as a natty when roiders skew the standards of having a good physique and how achievable it is.
When Lance Armstrong got busted for Peds they said they would have had went down to 22nd to 24th place to find a clean athlete
It's not only lifter that juice and baseball guys, but pro golfers too. Take a look at Tiger, Brooks, DJ, Jason Day, Mcllroy, compare their physique around the time they turned pro, and ask if they morphed naturally. Not one golf pro ever tested positive for steroids..funny that!!!
They should teach power lifting in school
There is a right and wrong way as with anything. I chose to stay natural, but as long as people are being honest about their use and not lying in tested competitive sports you will get no judgemental attitude from me. Not to mention I might make it to 60 years old and maybe I start feeling like crap and TRT is the solution.
RIP sir! U will be missed
RIP Louie
I'm for legalization as long as the person who buys them is over 18 or over 21
There isn't anything wrong with Them,you just have to time when you take them correctly
There's no correct way to use steroids.
@Larry Maloney there is,obviously they shorten life expectancy but the right dosage gives the right affect
@@uskz708 There is no "Right dosage" or "right result." Steroids are illegal for a reason.
Many people have separate chemistry's where those high doses of steroids can cause Roid Rage and accelerated baldness and deteriorate muscle bones tendons etc. It depends on the person.
No...
I agree. I don't think there is anything morally wrong with steroids unless you are openly lying about steroids. Like competing in tested federations when you have options go compete in untested. Or telling people on social media that you are natural. That doesn't give kids a realistic perspective of the fitness industry. Im not natural and steroids do work. There is a lot of propaganda that resolves around PEDs. I think there are certain laws designed to keep people mentally, physically, and emotionally weak. I think a lot of people at the highest levels of sports are on something. Just legalize it.
people keep themselves weak by eating protein supplements. Moreso, they destroy their kidneys and overload their livers. Taking illegal steroids adds to their sickly demise.
born at night but not last night.
Louie is unquestionably excellent at what he does. He is also too embedded in the culture to first see and acknowledge the negatives (which there are definitely) of uneducated and excessive steroid use.
my perspective is Louie knew he was supporting an illegal act and a dangerous drug.
One shouldn t take steroids.
Wisdom
I love Louie Simmons.
Bullshit I have a good friend who is battling cancer now cuz he abuse d steroids for years cancer feeds off testosterone his liver ,heart are all shutting down he's on dialysis everyday in the 90s our gym bodybuilding plus it's now called general fitness still the most hardcore gym I've ever seen we literally trained harder than any other group of guys my friend who is battling cancer I watched him get 550 for 11 good reps
The difference between a pill that relives a headache, alcohol, and cocaine is none of those enhance your ability to perform well in a sport. Lol, only reason why this guy could squat 700 at 60 is that he took steroids.
Awfully brave of you to say something so stupid. Louie Simmons squatted 450 at in his mid teens with no gear, 155 pounds.
Anabolic steroids will most definitely make you stronger in the long term, and in the short term. What you fail to realize is much more people take PEDs than what you think. It’s almost always people who aren’t very strong. And even WITH the help of anabolic steroids, don’t get much stronger than what they were before they started.
To squat 700 pounds at 60 years old is an incredible feat of strength. The PEDs definitely contributed, but the years of proper programming contributed more.
Case closed.
@@Un1t276 No one said he had improper training. No one said he hasn't put in years of hard work. Awfully brave of you to respond to a comment making assumptions and/or not reading the comment properly. Nevertheless, I wish you the best in your endeavors to be a keyboard warrior as you have called someone stupid behind a screen.
@@danielpedraza483 yeah, you’re just an idiot. See the pattern here? You are no different from the countless other morons who love to discredit someone just because of some PEDs.
No matter what your sorry ass may think, you can take all the steroids in the world and you will NEVER accomplish even half of what Louie did in his lifetime.
By the way, very hypocritical of you to call me a keyboard warrior when your original comment was nothing but hate. Funny how things end up, isn’t it?
@@Un1t276 my friend, you really are a piece of work.
@@danielpedraza483 likewise. Let me know when you exit your basement and actually accomplish something meaningful yourself, instead of punching up to world class athletes.
God u never hear anything about it now..cuz everyone's using them
haha "half the baseball players are alcoholics " ????? Where did he come up with that one ??
He made several ridiculous statements. The guy is not very smart.
I agree he’s a moron!!
So how is he the Godfather?
Because he's making his athletes offers they can't refuse
They are all a bunch of fat diabetic insulin resistant juiced up meatheads who will be fckd over the age of 50..unimaginably pain 24/7, watch.
@@whitegoodman7465 Louis Simmons is in his 70s and he's still setting records lol try again.
I like Louie and even use some of his training techniques, so I hate to hear him making statements like this that are an outright lie, "Roids don't make you any better, you gotta have it up here." Roids make you enormously better, and FAST.
I used to train regularly with a 32 year old guy, who was so absolutely pathetic that he wasn't able to achieve more than a 215 lb flabby physique and bench 315 lbs naturally. That's after many years of training. Then he magically jumped to a well over 400 lb bench within 5 months of using roids, and not only gained 35 lbs of solid muscle but actually dropped 5% of his original bodyfat percentage. That same guy after 5 years of training on roids and then adding hgh hit a bodyweight of 320 lbs. He now benches over 525 lbs, and can squat mid 700s....keep in mind he trains like a bodybuilder, not a powerlifter or those numbers would be higher. This is a guy who was so weak naturally that I had basically stopped training with him....not just weak in the body but weak willed as well. He wasn't genetically gifted and didn't have a strong mind.
This is just one personal example. I've seen this same "magic" dozens of times in my 24 years of lifting with local people that I actually new and trained with. It's not unusual at all for guys who couldn't gain shit naturally to jump to 250 to 300lb physiques, and actually drop bodyfat % while doing it. Steroids (and HGH) can literally turn you into a completely different person - and a completely different athlete. It's just ridiculous for anybody to claim otherwise, or to claim that it isn't cheating when used in a sport that has banned it's use.
+KongLuvs No, that's not what he meant. He is basicly saying that if no one was taking steroids, the champion as of now would still be the champion, you don't take roids and get the mindset of a winner, you either have it or you don't. He wasn't literal.
+elmohasaposse He's still lying through his teeth, or delusional if that's what he means. Steroids don't just change the body, they change the mind as well. I know Louie knows that, too, because I've heard him say it in other videos. It's common knowledge. It's not unusual for these guys to be walking around with over 40 times the amount of testosterone in their bodies as a natural man. Heavy users can have upwards of 100 times. If you haven't personally observed the effect of steroids on a person's mindset (mindset of a winner as you called it) than you haven't been training very long, or you use yourself and are in denial. The effects are night and day.
If for no other reason than their widespread use in contact sports, steroids need to be criminalized. (And by widespread, I don't just mean pro sports, but kids all the way down to junior high age.)
*****
Skill and knowledge doesn't come from testosterone, that's what makes you a champion, I'm sorry but I disagree with you on alot of what you're saying.
+KongLuvs 315 is weak now?? way to make me feel bad
+Andrew Lipham I specifically used that guy as an example because of his advanced age (32) when he began using (he couldn't afford the drugs until then). This was to help illuminate the fact that he never gained diddly shit naturally, despite training regularly throughout his 20s.
Not only was he too old to refine his physique for bodybuilding, he never had any desire to compete. He only trained to have as much muscle as he could possibly acquire --- most gym rats are just like him.
But none of that changes the fact that steroids and later growth hormone completely altered that guy, and numerous others I've seen, in both body and mind. Not winning titles when they never even wanted to compete doesn't mean shit. We're talking about performance enhancement here, and how effective it is, not about competing for titles. Steroids took him from what was essentially a sissy, to a fuckin' monster....there just isn't any other way to slice that shit-up. This isn't some random freak occurrence either, that only I have witnessed, it's everyday shit, in any decent gym, anywhere in the country.
there is really nothing wrong with using steroids. Im just not impressed with the fact that top athletes nowadays are not natural anymore. oldtime strongmen are still the best like ARTHUR SAXON. he bent pressed 370lbs. yeah 370lbs overhead with one hand. Nobody in this Roid era has beaten that record.
Saxon was on loads of gear though.
JimitriG he did it almost naked. No wraps or any gears. Just a piece of boxer shorts.
RIGOR MORTIS lifting naked is the only real way to lift
this guy definitely knows his steroids, but he can't make a very good argument.
he does convince ignorant lifters.
If a sportsperson, say a baseball player wears contact lenses is that cheating? If the answer is no, explain why artificially improving your vision is okay, but not your strength. Why is creatine allowed? Why is caffeine allowed. Above all why do many sports allow cortisone steroids, but not anabolics?
Sam Smith maybe because that person might need it
Because you can't abuse contact lenses that's one thing. The problem with steroids is not that they're intrinsically unhealthy, it's that people will abuse them. If you make them legal in sport then you simply run the risk of athletes taking more and more, beyond what is healthy, just to get one up on their competitors.
Sam Smith Lenses don't make u perform better, they only fix a handicap you have. Steroids skyrocket your performance
can anyone be this dumb? Correcting your vision makes you equal. Improving your strength through drugs makes you superior. Please...ever hear the saying, "It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt?"
People also don’t realize that you can’t take steroids and expect to be instantly strong, you still have to work your ass off
That still doesn't make it ok.
@@edgar22452 I’m not saying I would use them but I can see why people do. Why not use whatever you can to become the strongest that you possibly can if that is your whole life career?
Because cheaters don't get respected. That's why.
@@edgar22452 It's not cheating if everybody's doing it or if you compete in an untested federation
@@metalhead4827 I could careless. That spells weak mindedness.
Just like Louie says, if your Testosterone levels are below 400 you can go to the doctor and get TRT, or if you have an injury it's ok for the doctors to give you shots of steroids. No different from women taking hormone treatments. I've cycled Test Cypionate for 15 years, and my get full check ups with blood work twice a year, and always comes back great. I do it responsibly, not to get "jacked", but to reverse the aging process as much as possible, and it works! For all the 20 somethings that want to negatively comment, just remember, I thought my body would stay the same since I was in good shape and led a very active lifestyle. But all those wipe outs surfing, crashes when skateboarding pools & parks, and years of playing football catch up with you. I've maintained my waist size (34") for over 30 years, lift the same if not heavier than I did when I was in my 20s, and my body recovers that much quicker. It's not different than taking supplements to maintain optimum health, except someone wants to say it's illegal.
Disclaimer: In no way am I supporting unsupervised use of any anabolic steroids. Always talk with your doctor.
Just saying. It slows aging down but costs a few years.
Folks with medical deficiencies are replacing what was previously (or should be) there. Powerlifters and bodybuilders take excessive steroids to outlift opponents. It damages the kidneys and other organs.
Probably because most of his lifters use them.
+Alastair Green when was the last time did you or have you got yourself under a bar with 1000 lbs?
Steroids do have some long-term health effects. A lifetime of carrying 20lbs+ of muscle above your natural limit DOES stress your heart. It also DOES negatively impact your lipids. Again, some people smoke cigarettes until they're 90, and other people live a long life despite taking testosterone recreationally. Make your choices, but don't be naive and assume there is no risk. Nobody eats free lunch.
At least steroids have some positive effects on the body if done intelligently
Let me see...hmmmm..... Enlarged heart, spots on the liver, bad acne, roid rage, weak joints and tendons, high blood pressure and male pattern baldness. Sounds pretty positive to me lol. I'm being sarcastic. Steroids are not good for u.
Nothing intelligent about doing steroids.
I feel like steroids should be banned from all professional sports, drug test the shit out of everyone all the time, one failed test and you are banned for life.
If not that then they should be allowed, anyone who chooses to use them may use them and no drug testing for anything ever.
One or the other, not this petty fine and suspension stuff, gone for life so everyone can see or no drug testing and banned substances.
So dam true
"roid rage doesn't happen" Yes it absolutely does.
So what? Alcohol can make you angry but that's legal
@@Buorgenhaeren not saying anything. Just that it's foolish to think roid rage isn't real.
Beer rage is more real than Roid rage. If you’re a jerk , steroids will just make you into a bigger jerk.
I agree. It absolutely does. Steroids shorten your fuse. If you already had a short fuse, it will become even shorter. You will become less patient and more likely to lose your temper, especially with the more androgenic steroids.
There’s a pretty big flaw in his logic that taking steroid isn’t against the rules, only getting caught is against the rules. By that logic, killing someone isn’t against the law, only getting caught killing someone is a crime.
i dont take steroids but if an athlete wants to take them im supportive....you think records are broken without steroids ? think again....gotta do ehat you gotta do..but if you do things dot hem the right way
Being open about steroids, doesn't make you a better person. Just make sure that anybody that is natty knows that you are cheating.
Hmm...world of war craft
All you keyboard warriors think you know it all, and criticise the man who is the godfather of strength training and has trained some of the greatest most powerful and strongest lifters in the world.. read more deeply into what he was saying and if some kid does decide to use roids it's not because of this video it's because the kid wants to!! End of story! If I took roids it's my choice not a choice forced to me by a video!
no need to "read more deeply." Simply quote Louie word for word. No need to interpret.
You can take all the gear and supplements in the world but if you don't put in the work you won't achieve anything- Seth feroce
Steroids is only cheating if one person is on them and the other is not. Bodybuilding, strongmen and powerlifters all know the deal.
For other sports it gets a lot more complicated and dangerous, in combat sports if someone is cutting weight and keeping more muscle than his opponent then they shouldn't be in the same ring or cage.
Steroids are illegal. It's not the number taking them. They are illegal!
@@larrymaloney877 what is your point?
@@reallymakesyouthink , not interested in helping you understand. Don't you have a comic book waiting to be read?
@@larrymaloney877 no
Since when is being on Heroin and Cocaine OK? Lol
Society absolutely accepts addiction in today's world.
They give less prison sentences to those charged with crimes if they admit they're an addict and seek help before the court date etc.
It's seen at a disease nowadays.
Breakneck because it is a disease
@@abcdefghijklmno3764 No it's not.
So you believe that pedos are a disease?
Cause I think it's a choice just like a person chooses to use drugs or not.
Breakneck no it’s not. Look at the demographic of people who use drugs, most have had something go wrong in their life or have experienced abuse. Sending them to jail makes their problem much worse and sucks them into crime.
Breakneck plus there’s a big difference between a violent crime and a non violent crime
i think what the point taking bad stuff witch u can be good at stuff with out taking steroids i play rugby never got in to that shit
Im going to pretend like he made some good points and move on with my day
Some people are organically genetically gifted more than others. Thing is with steroids some people have access to the better quality versions and certain people are being scammed out of fraudulent quality.
The mentally strong do not take steroids, they persist and never quit
Roid rage doesn't exist? So why do we all get it? Horse shit
this guy and his justification for using what he obviously sees as cheating. its cheating because its against the rules ya dingus. if they said you can use steroids then it wouldn't be cheating. whatever he has to tell himself to not feel like a cheater.
Tiny nuts misery loves company
Sad advice and poor excuses for using drugs because a person can't cut it on their own gifts and abilities. 👎
Louis Simmons is delusional when it comes to steroids.
I like Louie but abit deluded wen it comes to to a steroid discussion. It's an American way of thinking that you need to win at all costs even if it means taking drugs etc.
+jim jones guess your American
Then 😂
+jim jones hypocrite? I've never taken jealous fuk wit an jealous 😂😂 I've played at a high level in rugby without the use of drugs. In the uk people who take drugs in our sports get little respect
+jim jones your father should of wore a johny 👍
Lee Collier nothing wrong with being prepared to do what it takes to make your dreams come true
Strengthletics if you dream about putting a needle just to achieve a dream you are a mental midgit. Just do the best you an your body can do. Only in America is it accepted. Certainly isn't in uk
Steroids are a choice, as simple as that. But you have to surrender tested/natty status to use them. In bodybuilding or untested, go hog-wild.
Yeah, this is the guy to ask when you want an unbiased opinion about PED's.
Bad advice.
Steroids are fine who gives a dam really? Just don’t tell me you’re not using if you are. Simple as that