The NFL Use Louie Simmons' [Westside] Training Methods, But Ohio State Won't [Documentary | Bonus 1]
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Over the last 20 years, Louie Simmons’ Westside Barbell has been a hotspot for advanced strength training. Several NFL and international rugby teams have adopted his training methods and receive consultation from Simmons each season. While Louie is an international icon, he has yet to work his his hometown’s college at Ohio State University. Simmons gives us some insight into his relationship with the Buckeyes and they haven’t trained together.
In a world where just about anyone can call themselves a “trainer,” Louie Simmons reigns as the “Godfather” of strength training. As a world-class powerlifter, Louie made a name for himself breaking numerous records and innovating strength through his Eastern-bloc training methodology. His “invite-only” gym in Columbus, Ohio (Westside Barbell) has has become the mecca for elite athletes looking to become the best in the world. But behind this 1,200 square-foot room where elite athletes undergo extraordinary physical transformations lies extreme training and non-stop action with Louie Simmons guiding through it all.
In our latest story, "State of Strength," we went to Westside Barbell and spent a morning with Louie and his guys training.
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"40 yards is a highlight on ESPN" - perfect quote for Combine/Draft season.
I throw shot put for Ohio State and I would personally love to train with Louie
Just give him a call. Seriously. It may be hard to get into the gym as a member of their team but you can always visit. Louie's very open about that.
You have to drug test at the d1 level. Louie’s protocols only work if you’re on hard core gear
Charles Fisher bullshit, you can train at 90+ WEEKLY if you constantly rotate the proper max effort lifters
Charles Fisher cap
I throw in ohio too
Hes a mathematician with numbers and a reverse engineer with equipment I mean this man is a scientist of body mechanics enough said lol
I always felt applying principles of strongman training would be more useful to a physical sport like football, than just powerlifting would. Strongman has to consider 1) movement and 2)odd/irregular objects
Mike Means higher rate of injury.
Damn Louie sent shots at O State at the end lmaoo
This man is a legend
Mr Simmons you sir are THE man.
Louie kinda sounds like a Granpa complaining about a son who lives close but never visit’s when he talks about osu
See my post above to see why.
Louie showcasing his world-class logic.
He's the best powerlifting coach ever
He has trained the stongest people of his decade. That's a different thing. He's a good coach, but I doubt that he's the best ever.
ClimbScience whose better ?
@@climbscience4813 3 decades, not 1. 3 decades of all time WR's in powerlifting across almost every weight class, males and females.
@@ZaneGeeting If to you think that that means that he is the best coach ever, you should think about the logic behind statements like that. No disrespect to Louie though, he is a great powerlifting coach. I just don't think that his methods are necessarily optimal for other sports.
The day he's gone , such knowledge will go.
He’s gone now😔
My guess is that OSU doeant want its athletes exposed to a gym that is honest about steriods. That doesnt mean its player dont use them because they do. It just means that OSU and most every organization involved in american athletics lies about drug use and hides it.
I respect his passion, as well as his knowledge of Powerlifting more than I could ever say. But OSU clearly is doing just fine where they're at.
Who's to say they wouldn't be better with simmons' help. Ohio state doesnt win the championship every year, so theres definitely room for improvement
I wouldn’t say that… one-and-done almost 10 years ago and nothing since. Still no where close to being able to compete with the SEC.
Worked a lot with the browns...they need more ws work =)
Dave hoff " strongest powerlifter in the world'' Eric Lilliebridge is laughing at that while burying a 1,026lb squat RAW.
Michael McCann what about hoff's bench is that laughable. different sides of the sport
+Neil Cognito you're a special kind of stupid.
+Michael McCann Or Andrey, or Zahir
+Neil Cognito A really, special kind of stupid.
+Neil Cognito No you won't.
Power lifters shorten the range of motion, make their lifts easier and they work for one rep max, in football you need to be strong and also have muscular endurance.
I concur.
Alright, let's see you pull 800+ sumo.
Also NFL coaches have their players quarter/half squat. That's a bigger crime than a wide squat or a sumo pull
Dude doesn't train just powerlifting, that's just his favorite because he did the sport himself 40+ years. He also trains many track athletes and MMA fighters.
Maybe you should learn more before thinking you know everything.
Jonathan Reke You’ve obviously never seen the way they train at westside. Louie has trained multiple gold medal sprinters, and the conjugate system produces incredible results in every facet. Do a little more research before you start talking out of your ass.
When I was a student at OSU in the 1970s and 1980s and training with Louie, football players hadn't yet gotten into serious weight training. We changed that but then the team ripped off our weight room in the Horseshoe and took it to the Fieldhouse where we couldn't train. You can say we made today's football players what they are, except for the brain damage.
The most solipsistic video on RUclips.
Louie is the only man more handsome than me
He makes sense when he speaks, I just have a hard time believing he knows the best way to train to prevent injury when he is literally a surgical encyclopedia due to all the injuries he has suffered from and the Steroids he’s used to perform in spite of the broken down state of his body. Cause if you were aware of all of that, how was he still getting injured severely since the 70’s if he’s been training that properly...
Because he trained differently before conjugate. Linear and perodization I believe. He made conjugate because of this.
Louie speaks the truth, I’ve done his same methods for lower back and legs and never got a injury during powerlifting, even in football, my legs and back were all good
He’s learned a lot of what he teaches from his own experiences. It’s taken all of his injuries to discover what works and what doesn’t. He’s said in the past he wants to teach people what he’s learned so they don’t have to learn the hard way like he did
'Football players don't need endurance.' - Louie Simmons
LOL okay please tell me at what point in the video he makes that statement.
1:52 - 2:13 "Football teams run gassers and they run 300 yards....They train the wrong energy sources."
Being a world-class trainer/coach does not preclude you from spewing word vomit as soon as you get outside your area of proven success (believe me, I know).
Exactly. That quote is not at all saying that they do not need endurance. They need a different type of endurance than what they are training by running the gassers.
Haha "believe me, I know" Okay donald trump
Brian Thompson So, What does he mean by , "they train the wrong energy sources"? And what kind of endurance training does WS do?
WS lifters out jumping D1 athletes is a sin indeed.
What rugby club is he talking about that apparently went 26-0? No team in any of the top leagues in the Northern Hemisphere have ever won all games in a season. The Crusaders went 13-0 in the 2002 Super Rugby season but that's it.
Sagajagan I thought the same.
Sagajagan, he might have changed sports on you. To an American, "the Premier League" means soccer and the 2004 Arsenal team went 26 wins, 12 draws, 0 losses. Their manager - Arsene Wenger - was renown for fitness, nutrition, statistical analysis ... Louie might be claiming a piece of that Arsenal team.
... or maybe Louie is just full of ****.
Louie Simmons trains the best geared powerlifters who perform half or quarter squats 😂😂.
Ya but when they do dynamic day, there all parallel with thick bands with a lot of weight on
They shouldn't its a method that should only be done by people who have trained with louie at westside,or have learnt from somebody thats been around louie for yrs like dave tate,loads of people try to copy it and have there clients do there own interpretation(not louie or daves way)and it results in injuries
Guy in red tank top is right and so is Louie about high school coaches on trainjng
Dave Hoff freaking hits the nail on the head. Look, there are fantastic athletes in the NFL or at OSU, but anyone with good lifting knowledge experience can find tons of players squatting and/or benching with pretty bad technique. Then watch a Westside training video or Louie coaching: he's/they're nit-picky and perfectionist in the best way. I thought he actually did coach a couple OSU sprinters--maybe it's just not football.
Would love to see these "athletes" run a 40 yard dash in under 5 seconds at 300 pounds
Bobby Mazzocco check John Branham out he trained at Westside all throughout hs. His highlight tape speaks for itself.......
If you let a person who only train foot ball competing with a person who only lifts and do gpp you will see who the better is. The point i trying to make is, yes you can become better in foot ball if you are stronger and faster, But the training should focus mostly on doing the sport. Thats why you have champions in so many sport that never do strength training.
Louie dunked on OSU.
'If football players worked their necks they wouldn't have concussions.' - Louie Simmons
most brilliant statement ever.
Work your necks out and a 400 lb monster charging at you head to head wont cause a concussion. lemme run and tell that
Nothing stops concussions. Helmets only stop players from cracking their skulls. The brain floats in the skull. It is the sudden slamming of the brain on the interior of the skull which causes concussions.
Except that it's proven that a strong neck can reduce the damage the brain recieves from an impact...
NihilXRex No, it has not. The brain floats in the skull. Concussions occurs because of the sudden impact and/or stoppage of the head, but the brain continues and slams into the inside of the cranium. Just like if you were going 65mph in your car and it hits a wall. You keep moving into the steering wheel/windshield...etc. This is basic anatomy 101. And basic physics.
I can see that now, but he seems to be saying, 1. that it would prevent them, and 2. that they don't work their necks at all. Like it's something so obvious and it's not being done.
They need to recruit Johnny Utah Ohio state Buckeyes all conference #9
All respect to Louie with regards to powerlifting/olympic lifting advice, but to my knowledge he hasn't played football, so he has no idea what you need in order to succeed at College Football. "Why don't they recruit marathon runners then?" Well, Louie, when you're 12 plays into a 15 yard drive it's as much about the ability to recover quickly between plays as it is about generating short bursts of power. That's why we run gassers. Yeah, you have lifters there that might out-jump someone, but how's their VO2 Max?
Dumbass comment. Apparently you haven’t played football either. It is a sport played very fast and explosively followed by a period of rest therefore type 2 or fast twitch muscle fibers are being used so wouldn’t it only make sense that a coach preparing a football player would focus on developing those muscle fibers instead of slow twitch. Y’all make these comments and the only thing you know about westside is big dudes lifting heavy weight. The speed days are laid out to mimic a football drive. 12 very explosive sets with 30 seconds rest in between followed by accessory work. They are not easy workouts and even the big boy powerlifters are in a lot better shape than they appear
Haha. This dude is seriously annoyed that they won't let a powerlifting coach train their football players. Seriously? Admitted, he is/was very sucessful at what he's doing, but mastery in one sport doesn't mean mastery in another one (and apart from that, his methods are criticized by powerlifters too). I know that kind of arrogance from a lot of people who are specialists in their field. That shit doesn't transfer 1:1 to other fields...
You clearly don't know much about westside. A fraction of there members are powerlifters. Westside trains strength and strength is important in every sport.
Beau Brandon It is, no doubt. I do know quite a bit about their system and if you watch Juggernaut training system's video about their take on westside, you will get an idea why I don't think it's optimal for everyone, even for a powerlifter. "Strength" is a very broad term and you need very specific strength in order to have it transfer to a specific sport. Don't get me wrong, I think his system is good at what it does, but I totally understand why a pro football team would use other methods.
He does much more than just powerlifting. Louis has coached multiple gold medalist sprinters. To simply classify him as a powerlifting coach shows that you are speaking up about someone who you know very little about.
He pointed out that other teams travel across states to consult with him, but he didn't seem annoyed that Ohio State hasn't. I really don't think he cares that much.
If you look at his reply you can tell that he's butt-hurt. I agree though that he shouldn't really care about it.
This is a bullshit title to a video to get views. I know the guys that have been at Ohio State for the last few years very well and they have been down to visit westside. They respect his contribution to strength & conditioning. The people there in the past did not go visit nor did they seem to care about being better strength coaches, these guys do. I don't know how long ago this was made but I find it offensive to a great staff that is at OSU now. But I get it, gotta get the views up.
there's D1 athletes that can out jump those guys at that gym but if they got the training they get out drunk me the more
you’re dumb as hell
Let's say that truthfully, "I have geared up athletes (older) that can out jump 18-22 year olds that don't use gear."
I think college football players take stuff, too.
Drugs aren't gonna increase your vertical all too much unless you were super scrawny to begin with. They mostly improve recovery and allow you to hold more muscle. But inefficient muscle is dead weight, you won't jump higher. Training is going to have far more of an impact on vertical than steroids will.
NihilXRex Dude, the reasons steroids exist is so that you can train more and longer. They help one recover. Instead of 48 hours rest and recovery, you can train the next day. Muscle damage from workout heals over night. Depending upon the drug and amount. It can allow you to train the same muscle twice a day. More training then allows for more mucle quickly. Thus, it will increase your vertical.
+NihilXRex Its sort of contradictory, because if you're training a certain way on gear it will definitely strengthen those muscles which are used
Trust me they are all using gear. Louie is just too honest about it for OSU to allow their athletes to be associated with him.
Not to call him out as I’m a fan of his system. But there has never been a team to go 26-0 in the premier league. It’s a 38 game season and arsenal are the only team to have never lost (but drawn) in that period.
He is talking about the Rugby Premier League not the football/soccer one. And yes even in the Rugby premier league no one has gone 26 - 0 . I respect him also and he is probably a great powerlifting coach but that doesnt mean hes the best coach for all sports. So we agree my friend.
Idk whatn to think about that. I think the buckeyes are okay without him
its not about that. they are good and they have a wide choice for recruitment . he's saying they can be stronger and faster. while eliminating a lot of injuries.
+HSM The God True. A lot of angry huckeye fans don't understand that when you get the "pick of the litter" it can mask poor training tactics.
He blew that statement when he said he could train better so they don't get concussions. You can't train anything from getting a concussion. The brain floats inside the skull. Sudden impact on the helmet causes the brain to slam into one side of the skull. No amount of neckt strengthening can stop that.
Yes there is a major need for louie's training but take some of the top athletes in the game like Mahomes,brady,crosby,mcdavid, betts, altuve,etc
Times are changing. The monster video game size mvp's are not dominating the league any more. Longevity and injury prevention are #1,#2. You can throw up 315 on the bench but don't do shit if you miss half the year nursing injuries.
Really?? Then how come Louie's guys are never hurt. How many NFL players do you see with hamstring pulls? Concussions?
@@mbfree5022That's cool. I'd love to read about those players and see some articles about it. Send me the links. Who are some of the players I don't see them or recognize them in his videos.
@@aaronmaxim check out any podcast he's been in. There's also several videos where he discuss is it. He trains football players totally differently than he trains powerlifters. It's more setup for game time intervals. He trains them for strength which is the basis of speed. Not getting them bigger. He's also talked a lot about the soft tissue work he does with the hamstrings to help prevent knee injuries and also the network he does and strengthening the neck to combat concussions. He trains professional athletes all over the sports world. From rugby players, to world-class sprinters, to MMA guys, to shot putters, to the NFL. check out his video on how he trained the MMA fighter Matt Brown. He geared his training to an actual fight which was 5 minutes of work followed by 1 minute of rest. Check out his podcast with Travis Mash.
@@mbfree5022 I Will! That's cool. Do you know any NFL players just of the top of your head that we would know?
@@aaronmaxim he's a major consultant to several NFL and college head strength coaches like the Green Bay Packers, the Dallas cowboys, the New England Patriots, the Cleveland browns, the Carolina Panthers & the national champion Clemson tigers. They turn to him for advice & they implement a lot of his techniques and theories so he's dealing directly with their teams. He's also gotten several NFL draft prospects ready for the NFL combine over the past several years.
Did he just say he has guys with a 63 inch box jump ?
I believe he said 63 and a half inch box jump.
I am pressed to not believe it.
Will Brewster it’s true. Watch Westside vs the World. I recently saw an even higher jump from a coach who used Westside method. I can’t remember how high. Absolutely freaky.
m.ruclips.net/video/N4abutGjK68/видео.html
Watch this at 1:05. Have to be close to it
Max strength doesn’t equal max speed
Well lifting heavy increases fast twitch muscle fibers. What sprints? Fast twitch muscle fibers. It’s proven that relative to body weight an increase in the squat correlates to an increase in speed. The fastest guys in the world are also very strong. Ben Johnson would bench 405 the day of a meet to excite the central nervous system and the dude could squat 620 lbs at 175 lbs bwt
@@terryjohnson3784 strength is definitely important! Only to a certain extent tho! Powerlifters and strongmen are super strong but not fast at all. Strength is definitely a component of speed but not the only one!!!
It is really the most important aspect along with running mechanics. The big boys diet to be big and carry a lot of fat and a lot of the time throw conditioning to the wayside. And for twitchy sports I consider the conditioning strength training as well such as weighted sled drags running/walking hills all out sprints for a short burst etc. In my opinion anything that’s going to be more slow twitch focused such as long distance running is really a waste of time. You don’t jog during a play or your ass is on the bench. This is how Louie views s&c for any fast twitch dominant sports
@@terryjohnson3784 id agree with a lot of what you said. Strength is an important aspect. So are running mechanics. And the often overlooked force production is a huge aspect. Id totally disagree with your slow twitch analysis tho. Yes you dont jog around a field but if you dont have a great cardiovascular system it will be very hard to repeat those max efforts over time. Your base line cardio is a huge component to recovery and delivering oxygen to your muscles. Thanks for the reply!
I guarantee Ohio State could learn from him
And vice versa. I ask coaches questions all the time. I filter out what's not valuable and use what I find valuable.
Lmfao strength and conditioning coaches only conditioning coaches? I’d love to see Louie say something to Scott Cochran. Football and powerlifting to WAY DIFFERENT THINGS.
The strength and conditioning coaches employed by NFL are basically conditioning coaches because during the season the players are just trying to recover during the week after each game. Strength is built in the off-season where the players have their own personal coaches. It would be cool if NFL players trained with Simmons during the off-season.
IM 17 AND ID SELL MY SOUL TO LOUIE SIMMONS JUST SO I CAN GO TO WESTSIDE ANY DAY I WANT AS FAST AS I WANT.
At the top level of college football and all of the NFL, the athletes there are such freaks that it really doesn't matter what program or methodology they do. Any reasonably intelligent program will get them stromger/where they need to be. There are All-Pros who do bro splits.
Much respect to him but Olympic lifts all day 💯
I’m a powerlifting guy myself , but oly lifting is just awesome. Especially Lasha
of course he works with the patriots
All I've gotten from this video is Hoff saying he's the strongest in the world, which is very funny, and Louie being mad that not every football team in the country wants to do his workouts. And yes, football strength coaches are coaches. They have college degrees to say so. They don't "maintain" their players, it's just that squating and benching isn't the only thing a football player does, which Louie doesn't seem to realize. A football player doesn't need to bench 600 pounds. at that point you lose flexibility and explosiveness. it's all about balance, not just strength. what a joke
You must not be very familiar with conjugate periodization.
You lose explosiveness when you get stronger? You're intellect is a joke if you honestly believe that.....
Are you not aware that some of the top sprinters in the world train at westside? And did you not hear what he said about his lifters being able to out jump the football players? He clearly understands that football is more than bench and squat.
Yes muscle weight slows explosiveness. This is basic shit.
Who are you talking to here? Who would actually believe that? Yes of course if you train like a bodybuilder you will lose explosiveness. I am currently doing a vertical jump program. I have gained muscle and I weigh more than I did when I started. Yet my vertical is 4.5 inches higher. How is this possible then? Oh yeah, because our muscles is where our explosiveness COMES FROM. So if you honestly believe that it is a rule that adding muscle means losing explosiveness, you clearly don't know the first thing about athletic training.
prove your work transfers speed and explosiveness Louie. Not one of those dudes in his gym look like they could run under a 5 in the 40
Trains the strongest guy in the world enough said
I think you’d be surprised of the athletic capabilities of some of those guys
sounds like sour grapes.
Plus he says running is useless and then brags about how he can out jump them. LOL. What a walking paradox
I'm not saying he's right or wrong here in general but just about that point:
running here means endurance, jumping means explosive strength/speed. So what he is saying is that a player won't be running for minutes at a time but they will need to accelerate a great deal in short periods of time.
+Tobias Ommer In the NFL they don't run for long periods. They train for short bursts. If anyone runs a distance of more than the length of a football field for long periods, then you're not training right. Sprinting is explosive training too, especially since some positions start in a sprinter type stance, such as receivers.
Tanner Ivester To be entirely honest with you, I have no idea about training for football. This is just what I took from the video. But if things are as you say I may have gotten it wrong. In that case I don't know what Louie meant with his statement.
How bout his results though? What do you have to say about those? Strongest gym in the world, multiple gold medalist sprinters and a plethora of pro athletes (mma fighters, football players, rugby players) have come through there. This is the godfather of powerlifting you are talking about. I agree he is scatterbrained when he talks, but who the hell cares? He gets results that are second to none.
Steroids.
Lmao 26-0 because they ran west side 😂
Steroids 🤪🤪
I didn’t know roided meatheads were supreme beings
He just supplies roids to Ohio players.
'Football players don't work their lower backs.' - Louie Simmons
Catch Stevens Bro you’ve literally commented bullshit quotes that were never said in the entire video multiple times. Do you not have anything better to do than being a dipshit?
Jackson Boyer ah the shitstain probably died since the posting... considering he’s so stupid.