He still used anabolics. Not that that's a problem, I'm js, he openly talks about it in a recent video that came out when he claimed his meds to the doctors when he tore a pec
The last few years I competed, we adapted all of our training to gear. I couldn't bench 400 in the shirt I never wore in training at 07 Worlds, but only 6 months later, after all bench training in a shirt, I hit 540. Dave is spot on.
The thing is, everything evolves. Obviously Louie Simmons had a successful approach to training. Because Dave and other veterans of the Westside “school” ask these questions, they have evolved the training methods further. Just as their disciples will continue to do.
Its funny i never thought you guys were in there with gear on, i always had a feeling it was completely raw cause of the way westside was described back in the day.
That couldn’t be further from the truth. Westside started by taking neighborhood kids and making them world record holders. Chuck V, Kenny Patterson, George halbert, Matt dimmel were all from Louie’s neighborhood.
The ones with the so-called "best potential" are/were the ones that work the hardest. Whomever does that (ANYBODY) will net good results. If you're not one of those......you sure as shit aren't worth taking.
@@kyleshreve6456 still doesn't mean they weren't world class. What you think world class lifters are made in a lab? All world class lifters were once the kid living down the street
@@ajgrant6172💯💯💯 nearly every single time someone uses them comments (oh it’s just drugs or oh it’s genetics etc…) it’s fkin excuses to self limit n to not try to be your best self, ofc genetics n drugs make a difference but most of the people using em as an excuse ain’t even close to knowing how to work hard for real, no wonder erryone turning into pussies 😂😂
They trained their dynamic squats in briefs, which to me at least feels similar enough to full gear that I don’t need to wear full gear in training. I also only wear a shirt once a month. In Dave’s day, the gear wasn’t nearly as advanced as it is now so they didn’t need as much practice in it
@Jordan M that's what I thought regarding the skill aspect, if I squat beltless it's the same as with a belt I just won't get as much stability. Squats with and without a suit might be two totally different lifts and therefore can't expect the transfer over. I don't know, never done equipped lifting, just sleeves and a belt for me
Jordan M it probably would’ve, but they still got fantastic results doing it that way. Kenny Patterson and George Halbert were putting up massive benches only using shirts once or twice per training cycle
Omne Obstat it simulates the strength curve but it doesn’t simulate the technique or skill. For some reason, on paper, west side did everything incorrectly and still somehow managed to succeed
their whole lives are the gym. why not take the effort to put on the suits? doesn’t make sense to me. louie has some gaps in his logic. specificity just seems to make sense. i’m no expert tho
Can anyone be a powerlifter? Serious question..can someone build the mental, physical and love to do it? Or are powerlifters like the fellas that go to Westside barbell born to do it.
The problem with training for powerlifting is that it’s monotonous and it’s more taxing than people expect. When you’re putting everything into executing a lift perfectly to comp standards even on volume work, it gets tiresome and sometimes boring. If you’re constantly motivated by gaining strength and being the best you can be in that discipline then powerlifting is for you. If you’re the type of person who gets bored by the same repetitive work and expect results to come in a matter of weeks. Forget it.
If you've stepped on the platform and you've put up a total then yeah you're a powerlifer. You don't have to be in gear or train a certain way. It has been 4 years since I've competed or even had an interest so who knows whats changed in this sport.
I was pleased to hear that he "seems" to approves of lifting without a belt for the most part. Now that Im training martial arts I hardly ever were one, for sport specificity reasons.
As a casual observer, isn't using bench shirts and suits against the point of strength training? Surely it is to see how strong the human body is? Might as well allow bionic arms
Absolutely not, using gear is all about putting more pounds on the bar than your body can handle, so say average guy has a 225 max bench use a bench shirt get 315, move forward and average guy now benches say 295 - 300 use a bench shirt and get 390 maybe 405 the goal is to get as strong as you possibly can with out equipment, using gear wether it be a bench shirt, squat suit or deadlift suit is like a peek in to the future but ultimately it's the insane drive to add even five more pounds on the bar that pushes people do do it
100 correct especially in strongman it should be pure raw, strongman is the most natural strength sport in the world, it man again heavy weight like from the beginning of time, it should be natural. A Tee shirt shorts and trainers ban everything else including chalk
Strength training - kinda (context dependent) Powerlifting - not at all. The sport of powerlifting isn’t necessarily about who is the strongest (though strength obviously helps). It’s about who lifts the most weight. Wearing a bench shirt, squat suit, wraps, belt all allow you to lift more weight which is why all the top competitors will wear wear whatever equipment their class/fed allows.
Raw didn’t exist from like 1975 til 2010(ish). Part of the reason a lot of the raw ATWR stood for so long - there were basically no opportunities to break.
SOMEONE HELP ME OUT HERE: AM I UNDERSTANDING IT CORRRECTLY? So they just threw the shit on before the meet. That's insane. I never noticed that in the old training videos. No wraps, no belts, just good old fashioned steroids and maniac training and then on the day of the meet you throw on the super suits? fuck. No wonder now IN 2020 they are getting so much out of the equipped canvas gear because they are training the lifter IN the gear now.
The Culture has been destroyed by all the micro breakdowns of everything. Btw gear is for dipshots. If the shirt gives you 375lbs The shirt is lifting 375lbs. What's the point...
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The last few years I competed, we adapted all of our training to gear. I couldn't bench 400 in the shirt I never wore in training at 07 Worlds, but only 6 months later, after all bench training in a shirt, I hit 540. Dave is spot on.
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The fact that they didn't even check to see if the shirt was going to fit before meet day is insane. You would never see that in today's equipped PL
It's not insane, it's lazyness really.
Equipment is a lot different nowadays. I've used some of the old bench shirts and it's like using a blue slingshot
@@Dr_Footbrake Only a million times less comfortable, lol
Dude, you need to get a job. Seriously.
the fact that they didn’t even break in their suits / shirt just months / weeks before a meet . that is so ignorant ,
Lifters today are so into specificity that they have a mockup meet before a meet in the exact singlet,shoes and sleeves.Haha times have changed.
Lol yeah lifters are way better and stronger now while raw
The rules are a lot tighter now, westside guys didnt have to worry about depth or a proper touch or lockout
@@racingdesire the old school westside had very hard judging. Another misconception
It's called evolution hence why lifters today rep their PR's.
JJ Ortiz haha exactly.
I love his answer! Measured, non-blaming, self-effacing...True greatness here!
When dave said gear i thought he was talking about drugs
He still used anabolics. Not that that's a problem, I'm js, he openly talks about it in a recent video that came out when he claimed his meds to the doctors when he tore a pec
Me too
Omne Obstat you’re buggin lol roids will up your PR’s in a month. Prob even sooner.
Me too. Gear = peds
He's talking about squat suit and bench shirts gear. Not anabolica
The last few years I competed, we adapted all of our training to gear. I couldn't bench 400 in the shirt I never wore in training at 07 Worlds, but only 6 months later, after all bench training in a shirt, I hit 540. Dave is spot on.
WOW. Really makes you think. Thanks for the transparency Dave.
The thing is, everything evolves. Obviously Louie Simmons had a successful approach to training. Because Dave and other veterans of the Westside “school” ask these questions, they have evolved the training methods further. Just as their disciples will continue to do.
Finally this channel is getting the growth it deserved
Its funny i never thought you guys were in there with gear on, i always had a feeling it was completely raw cause of the way westside was described back in the day.
He was awesome on Orange County Choppers
Jim Hollywood: I miss that show 🙁
More clips from this interview!
A physically strong man who has intelligence, wisdom, humility and emotional control is rare af! Great to see that in the world.
You dont see a man like rhat in this video either...
this is the missed link of the chain. Now I can figure out a lot of things about conjugate method.
No belts and they were lifting incredible weights.
Dave tate and mark Bell, 5 star persons and 5 star powerlifters
That’s wild
As a powerlifting coach- the way to structure effectively is by designing specific training cycles for equipment and non-equipment sessions
never go into a battle with an untested weapon. translation. train with whatever you will compete with.
@Alan Roberts yes it was. good call!
I agree fully, westside barbell pretty much only took in the ones with the absolute best potential, so naturally they gonna get good results
That couldn’t be further from the truth. Westside started by taking neighborhood kids and making them world record holders. Chuck V, Kenny Patterson, George halbert, Matt dimmel were all from Louie’s neighborhood.
The ones with the so-called "best potential" are/were the ones that work the hardest. Whomever does that (ANYBODY) will net good results. If you're not one of those......you sure as shit aren't worth taking.
@@kyleshreve6456 still doesn't mean they weren't world class. What you think world class lifters are made in a lab? All world class lifters were once the kid living down the street
@@thesnailshow8004 that’s literally exactly what I said?
@@ajgrant6172💯💯💯 nearly every single time someone uses them comments (oh it’s just drugs or oh it’s genetics etc…) it’s fkin excuses to self limit n to not try to be your best self, ofc genetics n drugs make a difference but most of the people using em as an excuse ain’t even close to knowing how to work hard for real, no wonder erryone turning into pussies 😂😂
That is so hard to believe that they didn’t learn their gear before the meets.
Very interesting
Why in equipped lifting would you not train in the equipment?
Suits and shirts are far different from just using a belt or wraps.
They trained their dynamic squats in briefs, which to me at least feels similar enough to full gear that I don’t need to wear full gear in training. I also only wear a shirt once a month. In Dave’s day, the gear wasn’t nearly as advanced as it is now so they didn’t need as much practice in it
@Jordan M that's what I thought regarding the skill aspect, if I squat beltless it's the same as with a belt I just won't get as much stability.
Squats with and without a suit might be two totally different lifts and therefore can't expect the transfer over.
I don't know, never done equipped lifting, just sleeves and a belt for me
Jordan M it probably would’ve, but they still got fantastic results doing it that way. Kenny Patterson and George Halbert were putting up massive benches only using shirts once or twice per training cycle
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Omne Obstat it simulates the strength curve but it doesn’t simulate the technique or skill. For some reason, on paper, west side did everything incorrectly and still somehow managed to succeed
What a gym!
SACO Trev a bunch of idiots
Dat Tesla Coil doe
The fact that Chuck could’ve been way stronger is scary as fuck
What song is that in the background at the end of the episode?
Howling at the wood
Name of the song????
Hell yeah! Fuck straps and wraps! Raw gripping power all the way!
I’ve seen training videos of them training in gear
their whole lives are the gym. why not take the effort to put on the suits? doesn’t make sense to me. louie has some gaps in his logic. specificity just seems to make sense. i’m no expert tho
Like Dave said, based on hoffs numbers louie figured out something more optimal with their training.
If you listen to Dave speak, it’s clear the gear wasn’t a big deal at the time. Canvas diaper is pretty dismissive.
That would be like being a race car driver but practicing on the highway in a regular car.
Can anyone be a powerlifter? Serious question..can someone build the mental, physical and love to do it? Or are powerlifters like the fellas that go to Westside barbell born to do it.
The problem with training for powerlifting is that it’s monotonous and it’s more taxing than people expect.
When you’re putting everything into executing a lift perfectly to comp standards even on volume work, it gets tiresome and sometimes boring.
If you’re constantly motivated by gaining strength and being the best you can be in that discipline then powerlifting is for you. If you’re the type of person who gets bored by the same repetitive work and expect results to come in a matter of weeks. Forget it.
If you've stepped on the platform and you've put up a total then yeah you're a powerlifer. You don't have to be in gear or train a certain way. It has been 4 years since I've competed or even had an interest so who knows whats changed in this sport.
@@thatfatasiankid5701 respect
It's just like any other hobby. But you should still lift regardless
Dave, Louie has youtube post from 2 days ago showing film from you and others box squatting with a belt.
jeraln lawrence he said they did do it but they’d get shit for it
I was pleased to hear that he "seems" to approves of lifting without a belt for the most part. Now that Im training martial arts I hardly ever were one, for sport specificity reasons.
Yeah, but I bet you wear shin pads and head gear. These tools including the belt all have a great purpose.
As a casual observer, isn't using bench shirts and suits against the point of strength training? Surely it is to see how strong the human body is? Might as well allow bionic arms
Absolutely not, using gear is all about putting more pounds on the bar than your body can handle, so say average guy has a 225 max bench use a bench shirt get 315, move forward and average guy now benches say 295 - 300 use a bench shirt and get 390 maybe 405 the goal is to get as strong as you possibly can with out equipment, using gear wether it be a bench shirt, squat suit or deadlift suit is like a peek in to the future but ultimately it's the insane drive to add even five more pounds on the bar that pushes people do do it
100 correct especially in strongman it should be pure raw, strongman is the most natural strength sport in the world, it man again heavy weight like from the beginning of time, it should be natural. A Tee shirt shorts and trainers ban everything else including chalk
Strength training - kinda (context dependent)
Powerlifting - not at all.
The sport of powerlifting isn’t necessarily about who is the strongest (though strength obviously helps).
It’s about who lifts the most weight.
Wearing a bench shirt, squat suit, wraps, belt all allow you to lift more weight which is why all the top competitors will wear wear whatever equipment their class/fed allows.
I thought He meant roids with gear 😂
All the haters: "Westside ain't for RAW Lifters."
Westside Barbell: Proceeds to do 99.99999999999% of their training raw.
But it doesn't work right?
I wish Dave was my dad
Didn't train with gear but you competed in them so did any westside guys win raw events?
Raw didn’t exist from like 1975 til 2010(ish).
Part of the reason a lot of the raw ATWR stood for so long - there were basically no opportunities to break.
SOMEONE HELP ME OUT HERE: AM I UNDERSTANDING IT CORRRECTLY? So they just threw the shit on before the meet. That's insane. I never noticed that in the old training videos. No wraps, no belts, just good old fashioned steroids and maniac training and then on the day of the meet you throw on the super suits? fuck. No wonder now IN 2020 they are getting so much out of the equipped canvas gear because they are training the lifter IN the gear now.
YEE YEE
how come all these powerlifting guys look like jason blaha
Basically what he's saying is that Westside Barbell is, or WAS the epitome of brawn vs. brain
The Culture has been destroyed by all the micro breakdowns of everything. Btw gear is for dipshots. If the shirt gives you 375lbs
The shirt is lifting 375lbs. What's the point...
Tar
what does it mean
Tar= Thank you. I'm from Liverpool, UK. Most of us here are primarily of Irish Decent, CUlture, Genetics, etc. Liverpool, "Tar" being one of many staples of the Liverpool/"scouse" dialect. (BONUS="Scouse" has it's origins in a Scandinavian Stewed dish-Laubskousern)
These guys are all on drugs and using assistance to lift heavy. Not realistic.
RAW is the only powerlifting. I mean, WTF? Why don't ya just get a fucking forklift while you're at it.
wtf is this guy pausing for and looking at the ceiling. I hate people like that
You hate yourself
why the hell does dave tate wear a hoodie? i mean he’s a big guy and big guys don’t wear hoodies unless they are insecure former roid heads hiding.
Fuck off you ass.
Maybe cos he likes hoodies?
You get some strange chat on yt comments....
I work in one all day then after work ill wear a swole shirt... lol
Omne Obstat he wears that hat because unlike you, he is probably a contributing member of society, you fool.
The last few years I competed, we adapted all of our training to gear. I couldn't bench 400 in the shirt I never wore in training at 07 Worlds, but only 6 months later, after all bench training in a shirt, I hit 540. Dave is spot on.