I always liked Roddenberry's explanation of the foreheads. Klingons always had those foreheads, I just didn't have the money to show it on the TV show!
In comics, it's explained to be physical disease that resulted from a failed attempt to create genetically superior beings similar to Khan and his allies and followers
RE the Klingon forehead thing: There is a clip from the DS9 episode "Trials and Tribble-ations" that explains it about as well as needed. Worf says, "Those ARE Klingons. And it's a long story. We do not discuss it with outsiders!"
In the no cuts scene. “It’s like watching a bunch of footage and then commenting on it! Who on earth would want to see that?” So...it’s a Nostalgia Critic Review? 😂 I love you NC!
@@codename617 my only issue with this theory is the Borg we know would just ignore the probe as a piece of obsolete tech not worth assimilation. To expend resources kitting it out and sending it back to earth is totally against their nature
This is porbably noted elsewhere, but I'm going to write it anyway. The anomaly's signature sound is part of the score composed by Jerry Goldsmith. He included a number of sounds in this score that also work as effects. It was produced by an instrument called a "blasterbeam," which is in effect a very-very large electric guitar.
When this movie first aired, we hadn't seen anything new from Star Trek since the original series cancelled, so yes it was atmospheric with lots of long viewing sequences, but it was to make it as grand of a spectacle as possible. Of course, nowadays people just want zip-squeal boom-bang action with nothing in between. I'll always enjoy this movie.
The reviewer is of the generation that likes lens flares, explosions and trite action...hence he probably likes Nu Trek and all the dross that goes with it. TMP is a masterpiece that was hobbled somewhat by its rushed release. The upcoming 4K restoration of the Director's Edition with reveal the masterpiece it truly is. As for this reviewer...I won't watch his stuff again.
14:19 had to be one of my favorite jokes/skits you ever did. I also love how true to the source material you & Angry Joe were while still being original and extremely funny!
I feel it necessary to point out that some of the slower scenes that are criticized are actually scenes that had great value when the film came out. The one most often commented on is the flyby scene with Kirk and Scotty. Consider that, when this film came out, there had been NO Star Trek for more than a decade, and this was a reunion between the audience and their beloved Starship Enterprise. It gave us an opportunity to bask in the presence of the ship. For me, and I'm sure for others, this was a powerful, emotional scene. Sure, NOW it seems overlong and unnecessary, but we've had so much Star Trek since this film that we've reached a point of saturation. Of course, that doesn't excuse ALL the lingering shots of special effects.
*STNeish* So then your thought as to why they dragged certain scenes out was to provide tribute to TOS? I can see that. I started watching TOS the second time it was syndicated in the early 80’s, they DID spend ample amounts of screen time on people’s faces (not a conversation, just the “what am I expressing!?” Faces), planets, the ship flying through space or orbiting a planet. As a tribute or homage to the original, I agree. They seemed to be trying to re-create the feeling it gave viewers, revive their (lol) nostalgia for it. :)
i can see why a modern audience would dislike this, a as they tend to prefer Transformers and Star Wars over bloated, CGI non stop action. And maybe it wasn't think people were expecting on release, but it's a good way to kick off the revival and introduce the show. it works well in contrast with the other films, it get's the ball rolling. But sure the pacing could have been a bit better.
I saw this first-run in theaters and you are exactly right. There is a saying in cooking, "Hunger is the best sauce." Star Trek fans were VERY hungry for some Star Trek.
I know, right? Star Trek IV is my favorite Trek film, and is the only one I'll see on a regular basis (I'll see V and VI on occasion, but IV is still my favorite). I used to have the I through VI boxset a long time ago, but it got lost.
I don't know. It's very funny, the humor and putting them in the present/ 80s works great and gives it a charm, but the whale thing and the Russian whalers stuff is dumb as hell.
It was a sappy, vapid, uninspiring ripoff of this movie--which is the most cerebral and ambitious of the Star Trek movies despite the deliberate pacing.
Yes. Hes saying "hello i am angry joe, the fastest mouse in all Mexico." Something about having no friends and being tought a lesson about interrupting someone's sex session.....i mean review.
I've actually always liked this film, and the Director's Version is a good improvement of the original. But I'm a fan of 2001: A Space Odyssey and didn't mind seeing Star Trek do this homage to it. But I'm not going to argue with people who find it too slow. NC's reactions to the journey inside V'Ger made me collapse in laughter.
I think THIS movie is just AWESOME! . .. and always have! And I suspect that those who've called it "slow" or "booring" were probably just the kind of t@@ls who crave ohhhhh guns, car chases, and explosions every minute throughout the entire duration of a movie. In fact, such people are the reasons we have all these big, dumb, action "blockbusters" with goons like Vin Diesel and The Rock and Schwarzenegar and so on.
I think THIS movie is just AWESOME! . .. and always have! And I suspect that those who've called it "slow" or "booring" were probably just the kind of t@@ls who crave ohhhhh guns, car chases, and explosions every minute throughout the entire duration of a movie. In fact, such people are the reasons we have all these big, dumb, action "blockbusters" with goons like Vin Diesel and The Rock and Schwarzenegar and so on.
@@IanFindly-iv1nlI can handle long scenes meant to let us take an image in just fine. Problem is, the scenes in this movie just overstayed their welcome at several points.
When I was a kid, I used to find this film really dull. So much so I called it "The Motionless Picture'. I watched it again recently and really enjoyed it. That scene when they enter V'Gers cloud is long, but very atmospheric.
I love this movie the same way other people love Bladerunner. I know it’s considered boring but I don’t find it to be. This is the same director who did Andromeda Strain and i love that too. No apologies.
I think THIS movie is just AWESOME! . .. and always have! And I suspect that those who've called it "slow" or "booring" were probably just the kind of t@@ls who crave ohhhhh guns, car chases, and explosions every minute throughout the entire duration of a movie. In fact, such people are the reasons we have all these big, dumb, action "blockbusters" with goons like Vin Diesel and The Rock and Schwarzenegar and so on.
I think THIS movie is just AWESOME! . .. and always have! And I suspect that those who've called it "slow" or "booring" were probably just the kind of t@@ls who crave ohhhhh guns, car chases, and explosions every minute throughout the entire duration of a movie. In fact, such people are the reasons we have all these big, dumb, action "blockbusters" with goons like Vin Diesel and The Rock and Schwarzenegar and so on.
@@viceversar-do1cn "And I suspect that ..." -- what you suspect is wrong and I didn't state that I didn't like the movie, but you should recognize how people can view it as slow-moving
@@MadMetsFan It's just that we have scenes in this flick like ohhhh let's see .. . a warp drive through a worm hole with the threat of a collision with an asteroid, a tragic and pretty horrific scene of people getting killed in a transporter due to a malfunction, ships being disintegrated by giant blue balls of lightning, poor Chekov getting his hand injured by a freak power surge, poor Spock getting zapped with lightning by an alien entity and Ilia getting abducted by same,. Yet still, even regardless of THESE very harrowing moments that I've just cited ,THESE numbskulls can't do anything but remark "It was so slow" "so booring" "motionless" "nothing happens in it". And mainly because of just ONE SCENE too - the Enterprise reveal, which is only a few minute long scene out of this over two hour long movie!
The funny thing is, the Critic was watching the DVD Director's Cut which is the BEST edit of the movie out of the ones available, and with the various long effects scenes actually chopped down somewhat compared to the theatrical cut. That said, though, I think part of the problem may have simply been their choice in director. Robert Wise tends to be very slow and deliberate in his pacing. This isn't necessarily a bad thing in and of itself, but he really wasn't the best choice for a *Star Trek* movie.
Henry Barnill Personally, I enjoyed the official novelization (penned by Roddenberry himself, so I consider it more canon compared to other movie-novel adaptations). It has a deeper insight into the thoughts and motivations of the characters that wasn't really translated in the film. You truly get a sense that Gene wanted the Motion Picture to be less a story about the Enterprise encountering a mysterious probe and more about a character study specifically about Captain Kirk and Spock. The whole V'Ger mission was basically a backdrop to explore how lost and effective they are without the other (Spock becoming even more isolated and robotic, in an attempt to kill off the remainder of his humanity to the point he becomes almost unrecognizable; Kirk becoming too dependent on his gut and making terrible, almost fatal decisions while ignoring advice of those around him). Dahlia (possessed by V'Ger) becomes a Kolinar Spock stand in while Decker serves as a Kirk counterpart. The two of them are supposed to be mirrors of the the main cast to show that they complement the other to the point that they need the other to function; they give each other purpose, just as V'Ger's search for the creator gave its own existence purpose. So yeah, totally agree that the movie suffered from bad editing that focused too much on special effects, but probably also a script that didn't emphasize the real story enough in a way that movie goers could instantly recognize it without the need for multiple viewings and supplemental reading.
Cut these unnecessarily long scenes and you'll probably end up having a lavish episode of TOS with incredibly bare-bones plot and a whole of nothing else.
I think THIS movie is just AWESOME! . .. and always have! And I suspect that those who've called it "slow" or "booring" were probably just the kind of t@@ls who crave ohhhhh guns, car chases, and explosions every minute throughout the entire duration of a movie. In fact, such people are the reasons we have all these big, dumb, action "blockbusters" with goons like Vin Diesel and The Rock and Schwarzenegar and so on.
i always loved how pristine the enterprise looked in this movie. the style of everything was good just a major pacing problem. also i think the only other time this enterprise looked this pristine and cohesive in style was Star Trek VI
How is imitating an accent poorly considered racist? That's like saying Russian stereotypes are racist, and they're not... Russians aren't a race... but yeah anyway it was funny.
+mitrooper There's no such thing as "the human race" humans are a species, look up homo sapiens sapiens. Race makes it feel as if we're not animals, as if we're separate, I don't think it's appropriate to use it.
Remember, this was a pilot episode script for a supposed "Star Trek Phase II" stretched out to feature length. This is the reason why it feels so slow - because they stretched an hour long tv episode out to 1.5-2 hours.
14:27-15:09 I LOVE the parody of khan's line to kirk and the response afterwards. when he was left in the genesis tunnel in Star Trek II. one of, if not, THE BEST parts of that movie was that speech and of course the "KHAAAAAN!!!" that kirk yells afterwards
Well, there are only a few parts that are like 2001. The first was the long trek through V'ger. That's analogous to the stargate sequence at the end of 2001, which was enormously better. Then there's the near-the-end scene at the center of the V'ger complex. In 2001 we hear strange distorted noises coming from outside the room. (My guess is that this was distorted music from Ligeti's Aventures [yes, that's how it's spelled], and it might be Kubrick's distorting of Ligeti's that Ligeti sued Kubrick over.) And in this movie we also have the strange noises from outside. But they sound silly. The room in 2001 was quite interesting. The center of V'ger was dull, cluttered, and poorly lit. Then there's the new life form at the end. Another clear parallel with 2001. And I'm sorry, but the last set with Voyager in the middle just looked like the sound stage it really was. I hope it was because they ran out of money! The rest of 2001 has no parallel in the movie. No ape-men jumping up and down and touching the monolith. No monoliths at all. 2001 didn't have an Ilia equivalent. No business trip to the moon. Another similar bit was the Star Trek TOS episode "The Changeling". If you don't recall it, read the plot summary on the web.
"Booring"? .. . depends WHAT you consider EXCITING in the first place. Now personally I happen to find ohhhh guns, stunts, car chases, crashes, and explosions pretty dull myself, so I don't miss THAT shit one bit when watching THIS film.
I would bet money, your one of those people who cried about Kelvin Star Trek and it being "woke" like those Fandom Menace morons, who claim to love original Star Trek but don't actually grasp that Star Trek has always been woke.
How? Guns, stunts, car chases and explosions boring? Never watch Star Wars because it’ll bore you to death apparently. Even though it kicks ass. That’s not to mention the MCU. Can’t watch that either. You can’t watch anything do to your restrictions. That’s what I consider boring. You might as well not watch a movie. Unless it’s a romance where none of that stuff can happen. That’s all you can watch now.
You don't like STUNTS??? explosions and guns I get but real people doing real amazing things and real cars doing insane stunts doesn't impress you? I fully agree with you if you are talking cgi action but.. Even if you saw an amazing stunt on the street would you not be entertained? BTW not saying this to say you can't enjoy this movie for what it is
I agree. Some t@@ls just crave that crap every minute throughout the entire duration of a movie. In fact, such people are the reasons we have all these big, dumb, action "blockbusters" with goons like Vin Diesel and The Rock and Schwarzenegar and so on.
Actually, I liked the movie. Yes, the scene through the entity V-GER was a little slow. But, they were trying to show the size and scope of the entity. The Voyager twist at the end was a pretty cool concept. Perhaps, this movie died due to poor editing. The movie was two and one-half hours long. Half and hour could have easily been cut to appease audiences. But, I still would have liked an extended version.
Some people can't take anything that is cerebral. Infact the reason why the original plot was rejected "The Cage". Was because it was "too cerebral". But i haven't taken Doug seriously since he said that the New Karate Kid was better than the Original. I stick with James Rolfe when it comes to Movie Reviews. Because hes better at it. Maybe Doug should go Film School or something.
It's actually the one I watch most often. Wrath of Khan is more exciting, but it's exhausting. This, I can watch over and over, because it doesn't have that frenetic pacing.
There are two moments in this review that never fail to make me laugh: CUUUUUUUUUUUUT and that subtle stab at Twilight...and if by subtle you mean being announced with firework and a marching band
The movie goes into why Kirk feels he should take over though it is partly just him wanting to get the ship back. Also it shows his different command style from Decker's. I also had the special edition which might have a bit more to it on that subject.
The ONE TIME Star Trek tries to do actual big concept sci fi with a bit of cosmic horror, everybody craps on it I feel like if they had made the exact same movie, replaced the actors and called it something else, it would be considered a major sci fi classic, up there with 2001
LMFAO they didn't try to do some big concept film....Paramount rushed to make a Star Trek movie because Star Wars was a massive hit and Paramount who didn't think Star Trek was amazing, ONLY greenlit a movie because they wanted to get in on that sweet, sweet, Star Wars money.....Nimoy said it himself, they had no interest in Trek until Star Wars exploded then he got a call a few days later about making a Star Trek film.
I actually was fascinated by the exploration of V-Ger. I loved the reveal, though slow-paced, of V-Ger as an entity the deeper they went. This movie is what caused me to get into Star Trek in the first place, honestly, although later in life when i got older as i was about 9 or 10 when my dad showed me this movie on VHS. Had all the movies, too.
5:15 There's an edit of the scene of Kirk and Scotty on a shuttle heading towards the Enterprise (with a very slow moment) with the music and a Spaceballs gag of "Prepare to go fast-forward" has been removed due to the duration time and a copyright music issues on RUclips =(
The Motion Picture is my favorite Star Trek movie. This one and The Voyage Home are the only ones that are true scifi. All the rest of them are space westerns and shoot em ups.
A question to Star Trek fans regarding the critic's comment: "let's never reference this big step of evolution again in anything Star Trek related". Wasn't it somewhere said that the next step in evolution created by V'ger is Borg?
The Borg are from the Delta Quadrant. They become aware of the Federation after meeting the Enterprise-D which was sent there to scare them into returning to Earth and giving up space travel.
Maciej Ponku Shatner wrote a book called "something Eden". It took place after Generations, where the Borg take Kirks corpse. It ultimately revealed that after Vger left the machine planet, they chose to send out their own probes, but after replicating so many times their directives were damaged from assimilating data to assimilating species. It was considered canon for quite a while
CommaHawk - But that was also the result of a paradox created in First Contact. And as we all know, paradoxes are a magic way of saying "Nope, that didn't happen!"
SORRY nostalgia critic but these scene of Enterprise Leaving SpaceDock is one of the most fulfilling moments in the movie. It's pure fan service done well.
I still remember getting the 10 movie dvd box set watching the first one without any knowledge of its fault... I was about to roll out of the couch from frustration during the long take scenes...
Love this review, but noticed its edited down from the official site version, removing the 'Enterprise approach' scene. Love this movie for its first half, the Enterprise first scene being my favorite moment. Gets me emotional every time.
I was very excited when I walked into the theater to see this movie! I had been waiting for years for a great Star Trek movie - too bad, after my limp-from-boredom unconscious body was dragged out of the theater, I had to wait a further 3 years to actually see one.
I don't know if anyone brought this up, so I will. At 20:13, you see Spock and McCoy behind Kirk, Spock is wearing a coat with an orange band around the sleeve and McCoy is wearinga coat with a green band around the sleeve (Orange in this film is Science, Green is Medical) at 20:20, Spock and McCoy have changed coats just to see if anyone would notice, no one did. (I think I read this from a book by Nimoy, but I can't remember now.)
I really like that movie, for me it's one of the best star trek films. It's about exploring the unknown, discovering new life form. This is real star trek.
The first person perspective of veger was great on sttmp you have to appreciate the artist special effects of this movie . the effects still hold up almost 40 years later
I think Rich from RLM explained this movie best when he called it a giant rebirth metaphor. Vagina visuals, Enterprise going in with a lame-ass Kirk, and going out with the old savvy Kirk etc etc
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star trek the motion picture was the 1st movie of star trek I see in my life because I like it
Channel Awesome do the movie splice, rango, and ant bully
I'd be nice if NC talked about the EVEN numbers now! :D
Channel Awesome Could you put this in the Season 5 playlist? My OCD is bothering me
I always liked Roddenberry's explanation of the foreheads. Klingons always had those foreheads, I just didn't have the money to show it on the TV show!
James Doohan's explanation is better. It's from all the tribbles he sent them.
In comics, it's explained to be physical disease that resulted from a failed attempt to create genetically superior beings similar to Khan and his allies and followers
@@victorm152 Isn't that explanation also in Season 4 of Star Trek: Enterprise?
Victor M If in comics you mean Star Trek: Enterprise, a TV show, then yes.
well yeah, the show had no budget
"Jim, what's going on?"
"Tricorder."
"No, that's a bald woman."
Greatest thing ever.
No emotions no needs it’s the perfect woman
That is the best line.
That guy nearly missing a door deserves his own origin movie.
Dude with the ice cream maker in Empire Strikes Back has a whole backstory and even an action figure, anything's possible.
The guy after Him... Has an origin movie.
He was trying to say "Hold the Door!!!"
He's been saying it ever since.
*S H U T T H E D O O R*
Don't say things like that unless you mean it; they may give it to you!
Good news! CBS is making a new trek show featuring that guy!
"This is just watching a bunch of footage and seeing somebody comment on it! Who the hell would want to see that?!"
Gloomy Fish that’s some Deadpool level fourth wall breaking
Crazy to think that Nimoy passed away nearly 3 years ago already :(
Hopefully, he's just in another timeline
@@jtgd 5 years now.
Crazy to think this comment was posted nearly 3 years ago already :(
@@mackielunkey2205 Six years now.
Gonna be 8 this year
RE the Klingon forehead thing: There is a clip from the DS9 episode "Trials and Tribble-ations" that explains it about as well as needed. Worf says, "Those ARE Klingons. And it's a long story. We do not discuss it with outsiders!"
In the no cuts scene. “It’s like watching a bunch of footage and then commenting on it! Who on earth would want to see that?”
So...it’s a Nostalgia Critic Review? 😂 I love you NC!
A machine planet...people physically merging with machines...
THE BORG!!!
Awesome theory.
i guess that COULD work.
I know this is two years old, but that's what I was thinking!! :D
@@codename617 my only issue with this theory is the Borg we know would just ignore the probe as a piece of obsolete tech not worth assimilation. To expend resources kitting it out and sending it back to earth is totally against their nature
That theory wouldn't work because Vger seems more powerful than the Borg.
to be fair, that celibacy thing is kind of something you need to tell Kirk off the bat to avoid the creepiness.
That "CUT!! CUT!!" joke got me so badly.
I absolutely love this review.
Critic should have extended to even the universe hearing it and in the end someone saying shut up
Last time on the good Star Trek movie! ........ oh wait
I've come to bargain.
At least Jerry Goldsmith's score was amazing!
The best part was Bones beaming aboard to the Bee Gees. hahahaha!
Also known as "Star Trek: the Slow Motion Picture"
Edit: I saw this comment somewhere but I can't find it now: "Star Trek: The Picture"
Nah, people left in a pretty big hurry.
Oh no, you read my thoughts!
Or Star Trek: The Motionless Picture
"Where Nomad has gone before!"
Where no man has slept before?
This is porbably noted elsewhere, but I'm going to write it anyway.
The anomaly's signature sound is part of the score composed by Jerry Goldsmith. He included a number of sounds in this score that also work as effects. It was produced by an instrument called a "blasterbeam," which is in effect a very-very large electric guitar.
CUUUUUUTTTTT CUUUUUUTTTTT CUUUUUTTTTTTT
KAAAAHN
I have to say, the delivery from both of them was great in that scene.
16:05 has to be my favorite moment. When Critic gets smacked and that defeated "Ow" just had me in stitches.
Was this review cut? I swear there was a part where the NC says that Kirk and Scottie's trip to the Enterprise is incredibly slow.
Eric Carter CUUUUTTT!
And they also cut the genuis Spaceballs reference in that sequence, which the interactions with Chester were all building up to.
Lol, I fell right into that one.
Eric Carter wait seriously?
Yeah. This is missing the "The traditional Star Trek music and imagery, hits you right here" joke, the "4-minutes" joke, and several others.
When this movie first aired, we hadn't seen anything new from Star Trek since the original series cancelled, so yes it was atmospheric with lots of long viewing sequences, but it was to make it as grand of a spectacle as possible. Of course, nowadays people just want zip-squeal boom-bang action with nothing in between. I'll always enjoy this movie.
The reviewer is of the generation that likes lens flares, explosions and trite action...hence he probably likes Nu Trek and all the dross that goes with it. TMP is a masterpiece that was hobbled somewhat by its rushed release. The upcoming 4K restoration of the Director's Edition with reveal the masterpiece it truly is. As for this reviewer...I won't watch his stuff again.
@@tripsadelica NC is 40. He's not young.
Look, there is spectacle, and there is... TMP. TMP is really... REALLY slow.
@@PikminandOatchiReview was made when he was thirty
“Old man yells at cloud”
Kh-Kh-Khaaaan!!
Oh look. It's Kha-Kha-Kha-Khan. Co-co-coming to ki-ki-ki-kill me. Hahahahahaha. How are ya gonna ca-ca-ca-catch me, Kha-Kha-Kha-Khan?!
14:19 had to be one of my favorite jokes/skits you ever did. I also love how true to the source material you & Angry Joe were while still being original and extremely funny!
I feel it necessary to point out that some of the slower scenes that are criticized are actually scenes that had great value when the film came out. The one most often commented on is the flyby scene with Kirk and Scotty. Consider that, when this film came out, there had been NO Star Trek for more than a decade, and this was a reunion between the audience and their beloved Starship Enterprise. It gave us an opportunity to bask in the presence of the ship. For me, and I'm sure for others, this was a powerful, emotional scene. Sure, NOW it seems overlong and unnecessary, but we've had so much Star Trek since this film that we've reached a point of saturation.
Of course, that doesn't excuse ALL the lingering shots of special effects.
*STNeish*
So then your thought as to why they dragged certain scenes out was to provide tribute to TOS? I can see that. I started watching TOS the second time it was syndicated in the early 80’s, they DID spend ample amounts of screen time on people’s faces (not a conversation, just the “what am I expressing!?” Faces), planets, the ship flying through space or orbiting a planet. As a tribute or homage to the original, I agree. They seemed to be trying to re-create the feeling it gave viewers, revive their (lol) nostalgia for it. :)
i can see why a modern audience would dislike this, a as they tend to prefer Transformers and Star Wars over bloated, CGI non stop action. And maybe it wasn't think people were expecting on release, but it's a good way to kick off the revival and introduce the show. it works well in contrast with the other films, it get's the ball rolling. But sure the pacing could have been a bit better.
I saw this first-run in theaters and you are exactly right. There is a saying in cooking, "Hunger is the best sauce." Star Trek fans were VERY hungry for some Star Trek.
The answer will always be "Wrath of Khan did it better" lol.
Nope, it was agonizingly long and boring even back then. For some like me, anyway.
I adore Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. How can you not?! Full of whales and the 1980s!
I know, right? Star Trek IV is my favorite Trek film, and is the only one I'll see on a regular basis (I'll see V and VI on occasion, but IV is still my favorite). I used to have the I through VI boxset a long time ago, but it got lost.
I don't know. It's very funny, the humor and putting them in the present/ 80s works great and gives it a charm, but the whale thing and the Russian whalers stuff is dumb as hell.
Scotty B Taxi Driver: Hey, why don't you watch where you're going, you dumbass?!
Captain Kirk: Well double dumbass on you!
And Kathy Hickland. Don't forget out her.
It was a sappy, vapid, uninspiring ripoff of this movie--which is the most cerebral and ambitious of the Star Trek movies despite the deliberate pacing.
3:15 - 3:36 Does anyone have any idea what Angry Joe is actually saying?
TMX1138 Hello I am *Insert Mexican stereotype* duh
Yes. Hes saying "hello i am angry joe, the fastest mouse in all Mexico." Something about having no friends and being tought a lesson about interrupting someone's sex session.....i mean review.
PENIS!
I've actually always liked this film, and the Director's Version is a good improvement of the original. But I'm a fan of 2001: A Space Odyssey and didn't mind seeing Star Trek do this homage to it. But I'm not going to argue with people who find it too slow. NC's reactions to the journey inside V'Ger made me collapse in laughter.
I think THIS movie is just AWESOME! . .. and always have! And I suspect that those who've called it "slow" or "booring" were probably just the kind of t@@ls who crave ohhhhh guns, car chases, and explosions every minute throughout the entire duration of a movie. In fact, such people are the reasons we have all these big, dumb, action "blockbusters" with goons like Vin Diesel and The Rock and Schwarzenegar and so on.
I think THIS movie is just AWESOME! . .. and always have! And I suspect that those who've called it "slow" or "booring" were probably just the kind of t@@ls who crave ohhhhh guns, car chases, and explosions every minute throughout the entire duration of a movie. In fact, such people are the reasons we have all these big, dumb, action "blockbusters" with goons like Vin Diesel and The Rock and Schwarzenegar and so on.
@@IanFindly-iv1nlI can handle long scenes meant to let us take an image in just fine. Problem is, the scenes in this movie just overstayed their welcome at several points.
why is the "traditional star trek music and imagery" scene cut? i have watched this review so often it really bothers me that its gone :,-(
Alice Liddell Copyright.
Ugh.
Brent Spiner once said that doing Star Trek was like a combination of Shakespeare and tying a cape around your neck and jumping of the roof.
When I was a kid, I used to find this film really dull. So much so I called it "The Motionless Picture'. I watched it again recently and really enjoyed it. That scene when they enter V'Gers cloud is long, but very atmospheric.
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I love this movie the same way other people love Bladerunner. I know it’s considered boring but I don’t find it to be. This is the same director who did Andromeda Strain and i love that too. No apologies.
I think THIS movie is just AWESOME! . .. and always have! And I suspect that those who've called it "slow" or "booring" were probably just the kind of t@@ls who crave ohhhhh guns, car chases, and explosions every minute throughout the entire duration of a movie. In fact, such people are the reasons we have all these big, dumb, action "blockbusters" with goons like Vin Diesel and The Rock and Schwarzenegar and so on.
That 'electric guitar sound' was an instrument specifically invented for the movie.
The part where they beam up Bones makes me piss myself laughing every single time I see it.
Every. Single. Fucking. Time.
I honestly love The Motion Picture. Not the best Star Trek movie but one of the most under appreciated movies ever made in my opinion.
The "chord off of an electric guitar" is actually a bed spring.
Spa Trek: In Space No-One Can Hear You Yawn
William Shatner: SPAAAA
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I think THIS movie is just AWESOME! . .. and always have! And I suspect that those who've called it "slow" or "booring" were probably just the kind of t@@ls who crave ohhhhh guns, car chases, and explosions every minute throughout the entire duration of a movie. In fact, such people are the reasons we have all these big, dumb, action "blockbusters" with goons like Vin Diesel and The Rock and Schwarzenegar and so on.
@@viceversar-do1cn "And I suspect that ..." -- what you suspect is wrong and I didn't state that I didn't like the movie, but you should recognize how people can view it as slow-moving
@@MadMetsFan It's just that we have scenes in this flick like ohhhh let's see .. . a warp drive through a worm hole with the threat of a collision with an asteroid, a tragic and pretty horrific scene of people getting killed in a transporter due to a malfunction, ships being disintegrated by giant blue balls of lightning, poor Chekov getting his hand injured by a freak power surge, poor Spock getting zapped with lightning by an alien entity and Ilia getting abducted by same,. Yet still, even regardless of THESE very harrowing moments that I've just cited ,THESE numbskulls can't do anything but remark "It was so slow" "so booring" "motionless" "nothing happens in it". And mainly because of just ONE SCENE too - the Enterprise reveal, which is only a few minute long scene out of this over two hour long movie!
It's not a bad movie; it just desperately needed a competent editor.
The funny thing is, the Critic was watching the DVD Director's Cut which is the BEST edit of the movie out of the ones available, and with the various long effects scenes actually chopped down somewhat compared to the theatrical cut.
That said, though, I think part of the problem may have simply been their choice in director. Robert Wise tends to be very slow and deliberate in his pacing. This isn't necessarily a bad thing in and of itself, but he really wasn't the best choice for a *Star Trek* movie.
Henry Barnill Personally, I enjoyed the official novelization (penned by Roddenberry himself, so I consider it more canon compared to other movie-novel adaptations). It has a deeper insight into the thoughts and motivations of the characters that wasn't really translated in the film. You truly get a sense that Gene wanted the Motion Picture to be less a story about the Enterprise encountering a mysterious probe and more about a character study specifically about Captain Kirk and Spock.
The whole V'Ger mission was basically a backdrop to explore how lost and effective they are without the other (Spock becoming even more isolated and robotic, in an attempt to kill off the remainder of his humanity to the point he becomes almost unrecognizable; Kirk becoming too dependent on his gut and making terrible, almost fatal decisions while ignoring advice of those around him). Dahlia (possessed by V'Ger) becomes a Kolinar Spock stand in while Decker serves as a Kirk counterpart. The two of them are supposed to be mirrors of the the main cast to show that they complement the other to the point that they need the other to function; they give each other purpose, just as V'Ger's search for the creator gave its own existence purpose.
So yeah, totally agree that the movie suffered from bad editing that focused too much on special effects, but probably also a script that didn't emphasize the real story enough in a way that movie goers could instantly recognize it without the need for multiple viewings and supplemental reading.
Yes it is. Needs more than editing to save it.
Except for the long take scenes it's a decent movie, a bit boring but not horrible at all.
Cut these unnecessarily long scenes and you'll probably end up having a lavish episode of TOS with incredibly bare-bones plot and a whole of nothing else.
14:56-CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT! CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT! CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT! CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT!
I think THIS movie is just AWESOME! . .. and always have! And I suspect that those who've called it "slow" or "booring" were probably just the kind of t@@ls who crave ohhhhh guns, car chases, and explosions every minute throughout the entire duration of a movie. In fact, such people are the reasons we have all these big, dumb, action "blockbusters" with goons like Vin Diesel and The Rock and Schwarzenegar and so on.
"Boldly going forward cause we can't find reverse!"
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Honestly this is my favourite star trek film
i always loved how pristine the enterprise looked in this movie. the style of everything was good just a major pacing problem. also i think the only other time this enterprise looked this pristine and cohesive in style was Star Trek VI
I absolutely love the Wrath of Khan references in this review. Thank you Critic and Joe for that bit of awesomeness. XD
You always seem to upload the exact episode I'm looking for just a few days later.
Man, that Angry Joe overdubbing is to me by far the funniest skit you ever did.
I love racist jokes.
Food.
How is imitating an accent poorly considered racist? That's like saying Russian stereotypes are racist, and they're not... Russians aren't a race... but yeah anyway it was funny.
Probably because you hate joe
Russians aren't a race?!?!...enlighten us please?
I'm pretty sure they are part of the human race.
+mitrooper There's no such thing as "the human race" humans are a species, look up homo sapiens sapiens. Race makes it feel as if we're not animals, as if we're separate, I don't think it's appropriate to use it.
"This is just watching a bunch of footage followed by someone commenting on it. Who would want to see that!?" -Nostalgia Critic
Oh the irony.
Hans Schultz I think that's the idea bro
We appreciate you spelling out such a joke for the ironically-challenged.
But the music was superb.
Remember, this was a pilot episode script for a supposed "Star Trek Phase II" stretched out to feature length. This is the reason why it feels so slow - because they stretched an hour long tv episode out to 1.5-2 hours.
Once the Original Actors are Back, Cancel Phase 2.
3:26 damn joe let you do that voice over😂😂
I've seen many strange things but... is that really Leonard Nimoy singing about Bilbo Baggins??? 4:58
Yes...yes it was
1969 tv hit
14:27-15:09 I LOVE the parody of khan's line to kirk and the response afterwards. when he was left in the genesis tunnel in Star Trek II. one of, if not, THE BEST parts of that movie was that speech and of course the "KHAAAAAN!!!" that kirk yells afterwards
For me, comparing this movie to 2001: A Space Odyssey, that movie makes Star Trek TMP look like a fast-paced action-packed movie.
Well, there are only a few parts that are like 2001. The first was the long trek through V'ger. That's analogous to the stargate sequence at the end of 2001, which was enormously better. Then there's the near-the-end scene at the center of the V'ger complex. In 2001 we hear strange distorted noises coming from outside the room. (My guess is that this was distorted music from Ligeti's Aventures [yes, that's how it's spelled], and it might be Kubrick's distorting of Ligeti's that Ligeti sued Kubrick over.) And in this movie we also have the strange noises from outside. But they sound silly. The room in 2001 was quite interesting. The center of V'ger was dull, cluttered, and poorly lit. Then there's the new life form at the end. Another clear parallel with 2001. And I'm sorry, but the last set with Voyager in the middle just looked like the sound stage it really was. I hope it was because they ran out of money! The rest of 2001 has no parallel in the movie. No ape-men jumping up and down and touching the monolith. No monoliths at all. 2001 didn't have an Ilia equivalent. No business trip to the moon. Another similar bit was the Star Trek TOS episode "The Changeling". If you don't recall it, read the plot summary on the web.
@@betaneptune There is one more connection to "2001". V'ger was similar to the nomad in "The Changeling", which itself was similar to HAL-9000.
@@cliffordshafran9250 So you mean a similarity that they kill in service of the goal of their programming? OK.
2001 is hypnotic. The Motion Picture is lifelessly dull for most of the runtime.
WOW! Angry Joe five years earlier. Also why did you remove the ship shots? And the awesome comments of what is happening...
Likely because the music was playing, and Paramount is fucking awful about their Trek ownership.
"Booring"? .. . depends WHAT you consider EXCITING in the first place. Now personally I happen to find ohhhh guns, stunts, car chases, crashes, and explosions pretty dull myself, so I don't miss THAT shit one bit when watching THIS film.
It's a commentary on the fact that these shots go on wayyy to long. "FIRE A LASER OR SOME SHITTTT" was just a joke ;p
I would bet money, your one of those people who cried about Kelvin Star Trek and it being "woke" like those Fandom Menace morons, who claim to love original Star Trek but don't actually grasp that Star Trek has always been woke.
How? Guns, stunts, car chases and explosions boring? Never watch Star Wars because it’ll bore you to death apparently. Even though it kicks ass. That’s not to mention the MCU. Can’t watch that either. You can’t watch anything do to your restrictions. That’s what I consider boring. You might as well not watch a movie. Unless it’s a romance where none of that stuff can happen. That’s all you can watch now.
You don't like STUNTS??? explosions and guns I get but real people doing real amazing things and real cars doing insane stunts doesn't impress you? I fully agree with you if you are talking cgi action but.. Even if you saw an amazing stunt on the street would you not be entertained? BTW not saying this to say you can't enjoy this movie for what it is
I agree. Some t@@ls just crave that crap every minute throughout the entire duration of a movie. In fact, such people are the reasons we have all these big, dumb, action "blockbusters" with goons like Vin Diesel and The Rock and Schwarzenegar and so on.
Is this movie the origin story for The Borg?
This sounds like the beginnings of the Borg.
If you read some of the books V'GER was sent by the Borg
@@razatronidiotics9430 The books don´t count...
@@NashmanNash They count more than Discovery or Picard!
Actually, I liked the movie. Yes, the scene through the entity V-GER was a little slow. But, they were trying to show the size and scope of the entity. The Voyager twist at the end was a pretty cool concept. Perhaps, this movie died due to poor editing. The movie was two and one-half hours long. Half and hour could have easily been cut to appease audiences. But, I still would have liked an extended version.
Some people can't take anything that is cerebral. Infact the reason why the original plot was rejected "The Cage". Was because it was "too cerebral". But i haven't taken Doug seriously since he said that the New Karate Kid was better than the Original. I stick with James Rolfe when it comes to Movie Reviews. Because hes better at it. Maybe Doug should go Film School or something.
Never saw it. You have just helped me embark on my next trek. Sorry, really poor pun.
My favorite of all Star Trek movies.
You can't extend an extended cut, bro.
It's actually the one I watch most often. Wrath of Khan is more exciting, but it's exhausting. This, I can watch over and over, because it doesn't have that frenetic pacing.
Omg, I need to see more My Little Pony horse explosion scenes
And Carebears falling into wood-chippers
There are two moments in this review that never fail to make me laugh:
CUUUUUUUUUUUUT and that subtle stab at Twilight...and if by subtle you mean being announced with firework and a marching band
I hope Doug covers the even numbered Star Trek films someday
The movie goes into why Kirk feels he should take over though it is partly just him wanting to get the ship back.
Also it shows his different command style from Decker's.
I also had the special edition which might have a bit more to it on that subject.
The ONE TIME Star Trek tries to do actual big concept sci fi with a bit of cosmic horror, everybody craps on it
I feel like if they had made the exact same movie, replaced the actors and called it something else, it would be considered a major sci fi classic, up there with 2001
LMFAO they didn't try to do some big concept film....Paramount rushed to make a Star Trek movie because Star Wars was a massive hit and Paramount who didn't think Star Trek was amazing, ONLY greenlit a movie because they wanted to get in on that sweet, sweet, Star Wars money.....Nimoy said it himself, they had no interest in Trek until Star Wars exploded then he got a call a few days later about making a Star Trek film.
Holy crap! Bones has Jim Carry's Beard!
I actually was fascinated by the exploration of V-Ger. I loved the reveal, though slow-paced, of V-Ger as an entity the deeper they went. This movie is what caused me to get into Star Trek in the first place, honestly, although later in life when i got older as i was about 9 or 10 when my dad showed me this movie on VHS. Had all the movies, too.
3/10 not enough KAAAAAHHHHHNNNN!!!!
5:15 There's an edit of the scene of Kirk and Scotty on a shuttle heading towards the Enterprise (with a very slow moment) with the music and a Spaceballs gag of "Prepare to go fast-forward" has been removed due to the duration time and a copyright music issues on RUclips =(
3:12 What Doug should do for all the awful cameos.
What a classic! I'm so glad you re-posted this, Doug!
Gene Roddenberry once said "the Klingons always looked that way, you just couldn't see it before.
Last time I was this early,
The wall was a different color.
Have a nice day! :)
DragonRiderW16 Last time I was rgis early, they still did memorable Star Treks.
last time i was this early my date left unsatisfied.
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I love your name and image there. One of the best interceptors the Navy had. Thank you for that. ^.^
The Motion Picture is my favorite Star Trek movie. This one and The Voyage Home are the only ones that are true scifi. All the rest of them are space westerns and shoot em ups.
What's the total time for drag out sight seeing scenes I think it's 35-40 minutes, can someone clarify this for me?
16:30 don't know why, but that shot cracks me up!
A question to Star Trek fans regarding the critic's comment: "let's never reference this big step of evolution again in anything Star Trek related". Wasn't it somewhere said that the next step in evolution created by V'ger is Borg?
The Borg are from the Delta Quadrant. They become aware of the Federation after meeting the Enterprise-D which was sent there to scare them into returning to Earth and giving up space travel.
Maciej Ponku Shatner wrote a book called "something Eden". It took place after Generations, where the Borg take Kirks corpse.
It ultimately revealed that after Vger left the machine planet, they chose to send out their own probes, but after replicating so many times their directives were damaged from assimilating data to assimilating species.
It was considered canon for quite a while
Except that the Borg appear in Enterprise, which takes place before any other shows or movies.
CommaHawk -
But that was also the result of a paradox created in First Contact. And as we all know, paradoxes are a magic way of saying "Nope, that didn't happen!"
benn454 The Borg were obliquely referenced as a nascent insidious enemy of the Federation before Q Who?.
The fly through sequence of the anomaly is incredible when your high or really high 100% would recoomend
When I first saw this years ago, the Wrath of Khan pastiche with AJ made me laugh so much I got dizzy. It still makes me laugh now.
they could have a better captain with zapp brannigan
SORRY nostalgia critic but these scene of Enterprise Leaving SpaceDock is one of the most fulfilling moments in the movie. It's pure fan service done well.
I still remember getting the 10 movie dvd box set watching the first one without any knowledge of its fault... I was about to roll out of the couch from frustration during the long take scenes...
DUDE THEY CUT OUT THE ENTERPRISE FLY BY FOLLOWED BY THE SPACEBALLS REFERENCE!!!!
Do you remember what part Spaceballs was reference? I've seen this episode before and I don't remember seeing any Spaceballs reference.
@@toaarky Wow, You have been a great help.😒
damnit, the ghost reference at the end made me lol it was just SO stupid haha
Love this review, but noticed its edited down from the official site version, removing the 'Enterprise approach' scene. Love this movie for its first half, the Enterprise first scene being my favorite moment. Gets me emotional every time.
I was very excited when I walked into the theater to see this movie! I had been waiting for years for a great Star Trek movie - too bad, after my limp-from-boredom unconscious body was dragged out of the theater, I had to wait a further 3 years to actually see one.
I don't know if anyone brought this up, so I will. At 20:13, you see Spock and McCoy behind Kirk, Spock is wearing a coat with an orange band around the sleeve and McCoy is wearinga coat with a green band around the sleeve (Orange in this film is Science, Green is Medical) at 20:20, Spock and McCoy have changed coats just to see if anyone would notice, no one did. (I think I read this from a book by Nimoy, but I can't remember now.)
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Can I get this clip on its own? Just a montage of Kirk saying Spock’s name?
That "guitar chord" is the blaster beam instrument and it's part of the awesome score. Also used in the Wrath of Khan score.
I really like that movie, for me it's one of the best star trek films. It's about exploring the unknown, discovering new life form. This is real star trek.
7:35 best joke, no script needed
"Bored out of your mind.....buried alive......"
Looking back I see this movie really kinda ripped off 2001 in a lot of ways.
Nah this is nothing like 2001. For one it actually has a plot.
@@Lone432345 does it really though?
@@eddixon2015 it really really only ripped off the slow pacing and search for meaning
0:09 burned into my brain
man this scene at 14:32 .. just pure comedy gold :D
The Bored Out of Your Mind segment made watching this all worth it. I genuinely laughed out loud. :-D
14:20 best conversation ever!!!
The first person perspective of veger was great on sttmp you have to appreciate the artist special effects of this movie . the effects still hold up almost 40 years later
I think Rich from RLM explained this movie best when he called it a giant rebirth metaphor. Vagina visuals, Enterprise going in with a lame-ass Kirk, and going out with the old savvy Kirk etc etc
13:30 for Wrath of Khan joke.
Seriously though, could this be the origin of the Borg? Also, kudos for Jerry Goldsmith's score that was later used for TNG.
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Enterprise, what we got back didn't live long. Thankfully.
And it exploded.
12:58 Gotta love the Critic, he's never afraid of taking a shot at himself. :)
I wonder how he'd react to adam sandler's 'that's my boy!'
Christian Bauer To be honest, it's better than his previous movie Jack and Jill. That one was just complete dog shit.