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- Alastair Campbell and Owen Jones debate Iraq, Brexit, the future of the Labour party, and the leadership of the party under Jeremy Corbyn in this 45 minute interview.
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Owen Jones is the radical left's most important voice at only 32, and was a key player in the rise of Jeremy Corbyn. Now disillusioned with the Labour leadership, where does he stand on Blair, Brexit and being mistaken for a teenager?
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Alaistair and Owen have a wary-yet-weirdly-affectionate interpersonal dynamic going like they're an adult son and his non-custodial dad awkwardly trying to re-connect in some sort of comedy-drama film.
KennBurch SO true !
Spot on :)
They remind me of two sewer rats warily eyeing each other waiting to make the first strike.
Not where I was going with that-more a Jackie Gleason and Tom Hanks in NOTHING IN COMMON kind of vibe.
degenerates
Season one Ollie interviews season four Malcolm
GamestA I wrote it before I realized Campbell was the interviewer 😂
Self-raising Lazarus interviews the beige power ranger
For those complaining about Campbell's aggressive style, please remeber, Campbell was/is an old school journalist. A proper gumshoe who learnt his craft in the days before copy and paste Twitter feeds or Facebook posts. Back in the day, this is what journalism was like and what people expected. Jones just got a one on one masterclass in proper journalism that holds interviewees to account.
It's all nonsense. He just looks absolutely beautiful in an expensive suit and pinky tie.
garbage. he behaves like a total arse. constantly interrupting, derailing, completely unable to have a conversation.
I just got to 24mins where Jones tries to shift the territory from being interrogated about what he truly thinks to the Iraq War and I just think the boy is a student union politician - the British public wants decent worker conditions but the idea that a Labour/Union movement is going to deliver not only that but security and prosperity is fanciful - as soon as Corbyn came out with the free-broadband idea (which hand some merit then and now in the post-pandemic hybrid working world) I knew they were going to get a drumming.. the Corbyn hangover has lasted a long time but the truth is PR would be the thing to get 'done' for re-election as it looks like the public have finally woken up to the liars and cheats who promised everything but have dramatically failed thanks UK diminished influence.
Journalism, the least trusted and least respected trade in the world.
Absolutely agree with you 👍
Lovely little time capsule of an interview...would love to see these two gentlemen sit down and have the same chat, now five years on.
There isn't much of a conversation to be had, considering everything that's happened in the last couple years with the current Labour leadership purging anyone who listens to Owen from the party
@@nathandrake5544 Yes, because they are morons.
I'm not fan of Owen Jones, but he really does need to learn to be a bit tougher in interviews to intellectually stand up for himself if he wants to have any real influence. I lost count of the number of times he started to make a point and about 10 seconds in Campbell throws something different at him and his train of thought goes with the distraction point instead of sticking to the point the originally tried to make. Alastair Campbell is one of the most cunning masters of the media artform we've seen in modern times, so one really has to be a lot more combative on the little ground he concedes you when being interviewed by him (as frustrating or inconvenient as that is).
The left need to get tough.
@@nejuw Tories regularly shy away from these sort of debates let’s be real
...and there's the thing- true left people, are those with an active social conscience and generally concerned with all levels, or classes of people. Whereas right wing candidates tend to be grasping for power, and money 🤑, usually looking to set up kickbacks...- look at the ethos, ethics and focus of say Corbyn, to Johnson. So it's simplistic to say that the left are not tough enough; even though I can see you have a point within the awful combatative 'scoring' of points and dependent on how connected / supported by or vilified against by the press one's stance is.
I imagine I sound naive to some, but I have known leadership and it doesn't seek power & the lack of genuine leadership has allowed the greedy organised grown up children to run the country like an asylum, and is threatening the extinction of life itself through climate change and ignorance of the necessity of environmental harmony.
It's the political set up that requires change, not the left and I hate to say it but probably proportional representation between the left & right, with Equal power might serve the greater populace better than the 'lords & barons' who only seek personal wealth and power for only their own.
Owen uses 1000 words when 10 would do, Campbell ran rings around him, and he got proved right...
This is like a dad trying to explain the real world to his son that just got back from uni.
haha yes, and Campbell takes it quite well too;)
Dads aren’t right about everything :-)
Except here it's the son who is explaining the real world to his reactionary dad.
And been brainwashed by ‘neo-Marxist’ lecturers inculcating him with the merits of trans-fluid microaggressions. 😂😂 as Jordan Petersen would hysterically whine lol
'' real world '' = just accept that rich white english people run society for their benefit and as such have mastered divide and rule tactics ,amongst others, over us . Nah man there's many more of us and we can run this .
this is brilliant, great seeing an exchange in this way between very different lefties without it descending into name calling etc.
Gavin Hitchens Ironically, your avatar is Morrissey, who's shown more support towards the right, then anything else.
Alex Daniel That's true, I just love his music.
Shut Up
Gavin Hitchens Alistair Campbell a Leftie???????? FFS!!!!!!!!!
Gavin Hitchens Alistair Campbell is about as left wing as George Osborne.
You're 32?! I thought you were 22 tops. Keep up that skin care regimen.
@@drp.c.7543 Really? Share me a tutorial please :)
When you don't work for a living. Why do you think the royal family lives so long?…
15 more like! Surely this kid's still in school!
🤮🤮🤮
He’s peng now. Still a knob though sadly
Alastair Campbell, no matter what you think of him, is still to this day an incredible spin doctor. That is evidenced by this discussion.
Tell that to the 1 million innocent Iraqis family. He is a war criminal who is the lowest of the low. No wonder he has depression.
I'm not sure how this video shows this
Being an incredible spin doctor very much informs what I think of him.
Yes Spin
Josef Goebels too, no compliment there
There’s being naive & there’s being Owen Jones - everything that Campbell said came true!
Well someone would certainly need to suspend any kind of thinking to believe Campbell when it come to the Iraq War. For whatever happened to the Weapons of Mass Destruction?
Owen Jones made Alastair Campbell look likeable. A truly astonishing feat.
Losers always dislike winners.
@@henridobbs2423 Is that why Corbynistas hate Blair?
@Do what you must, I have already won I hate her for what she did to the World.
@@bencrocket1284 😂
why does it feel like a teacher having a sit down with his student
Alistair with those glasses on and staring at Owen just looks like it, you are so right. I have met Alistair, he is a very intimidating man when you are with him in real life.
Jon T not too mention the camera angles don't help
llever for a job interview
llever because it is. Owen is a 30 year old boy and alastair is a somewhat interesting intelligent person
@@jameselder1103 Neoliberal that is part of the problem.
Owen Jones looks terrified in this interview and he can't seem to express his opinions without a hell of a lot of waffling. Whatever you think of Alastair Campbell he is articulate and concise. While he does have a bad habit of interrupting, I think one part of that is frustration at Owen Jones' inarticulateness. The end result is that the dialogue struggles to get going. This is a shame as I would like to see what these two really have to say to each other.
It gets a bit better towards the end
Hilarious listening to this in hindsight. And Cambell learnt nothing from 2017
And how wrong he was. These Blairites are so full of themselves despite failing Britain and the world.
At least they could win elections - unlike Daddy Corbyn and his bum chum Owen.
Owen reads a book and tried to find the answer to life’s problems but fell short as he has no real life experience to use as balance
It's just so nice to see two men really listening to each other, you know?
Owen ‘we live in country where’ Jones
Alastair Campbell is quite right - Owen is scared to say what he really thinks.
This chap sums up Labour. College politics.Abdication from the working man.This is Momentum for you..
You're clearly not English. We don't call it "college"
@@zeddeka we call college college
It still works
Kudos to both for taking part in this. A real conversation between two people on the left - I thought those days were over.....
thats how they earn their money i wonder what they charged for the interview stand for parliament if they want change
They are now. Thank god.
“I hate to talk about myself”. Proceeds to talk about himself for an hour.
You managed to miss the bulk of this interview where he talks about politics, corbyn, ideology, recent history etc. lol.
The thing about the observation which you have tried to peel from Campbell (which failed when he made it too) is that Jones is very clearly not the typical megalomaniac who nowadays populate modern politics (e.g. Campbell). He can't even look Campbell in the eye ffs.
Ironically this attempt at 'observation' highlights your complete misunderstanding of what Jones is in relation to society. He is defined by the rise of social media and other information sharing technologies which have allowed a very intelligent and well thought yet comparably (to Campbell) egoless individual to rise to prominence as a representative of significant group of people.
@@liamdevine8063 you have to be joking. The fella is a complete narcissist.
@@liamdevine8063 What I found fascinating is that Owen Jones wants to be a champion of the left and is constantly agonising about how this interview with "Tony Blair's spin doctor" will be perceived by his supporters. He refuses to say that Tony Blair has been the best Labour leader since Kinnock. Rather than say Tony Blair has been the best Prime Minister since Wilson he changes the question to say "most effective Prime Minister" so he could put Thatcher above Blair and then avoided ranking Corbyn at all.
Excellent conversation. They engage without antagonism and test each other with a large measure of mutual respect.
If it weren’t for the baggage that comes with his name, there isn’t one political movement who wouldn’t want Alastair Campbell to run a campaign for them. Even as an interviewer he’s driving home his own message more convincingly than the interviewee!
No Fan of Campbell but interesting discussion, we need more intelligent debate in politics, whether you agree with them or not.
Well you certainly won't get sensible debate listening to these pair of broomheads
Alastair Campbell asks clear, if slightly abrupt, questions, and Owen Jones rambles on about stuff. Owen constantly makes assumptions about Alastair Campbell's politics and positions, without being able to define them in any way when asked directly. Either he has a clear agenda to avoid answering the questions directly, or he just isn't very good at clear, logical thinking. Campbell may have a shady past, but this interview shows that he can think clearly and understands how to get to the core of an issue concisely. People here are accusing Campbell of interrupting him and not allowing him to reply, but in reality, Campbell is reactive and makes assertions to promote the conversation, and Owen often interprets this as a personal slight with an agenda, bristles and loses his train of thought. This interview has improved my view of Campbell and, unfortunately, made Owen Jones appear to be less of a political thinker than I had previously thought.
I met Campbell once - the guy is so quick witted you feel like a complete idiot.
Jones is an intellectual lightweight, and he's starting to realise it. It's why he avoided debating Douglas Murray - he knew he'd have got flattened.
Thank you i'm no where near as loquacious as this, couldn't put what I wanted to say into words that effectively describe the inadequacies of Owen Jones. As soon as he mentioned the Iraq war in answer to his question you knew he had lost the debate. He is nothing more than a guardian journalist too scared of the reaction he will get amongst his hareem of twitter followers (rightly earned at times) to say how he really feels and a man without the BALLS! to truly get stuck into politics but would rather sit on the sidelines and feather his own nest.
Campbell starts by sticking his middle finger up at Jones. This is not an intellectual heavyweight. He's just a deeply unpleasant individual.
No. The Iraq War is central to the Left's vilification of Blair. It can't be overstated.
Regardless of the fact if he is unpleasant you can not deny the man has talent in the communications industry. Himself and his communications team perpetuated a lot of good for the poor and their legacy will forever be tarnished by the Iraq war.
I can't help but like Campbell. Is it just me?? :(
yes it is just you
Fitemem8 Psychopaths can be very charming
haha fair enough
He is charismatic and very laddish. He is also a very effective communicator, comes off as honest, direct and very sure of himself. It's easy to fall for those superficial elements.
There's no reason to hate the human being, but I think we can be very critical of what he did to British politics.
me too
The kid gets frustrated quickly. I think that's a mark of the generation, whenever you get challenged you get frustrated and start saying things like "you don't let me finish when he is obviously talking way more than the other party. These people would have been ants 30 years ago, nobody would have taken them seriously. The wonders of modern social media.
GQ - as with the Tony Blair interview, the audio here is terrible. Please sort it out so we can hear these interesting conversations properly.
This interview is really interesting, two branches of the left in a civil conversation, but also incredibly frustrating because I think Campbell and Jones’ style of conversation clashes horribly.
Campbell is very aggressive, he likes to be prompt and to-the-point, whereas Jones is a lot more relaxed.
As a result I think Campbell feels like Jones is waffling, and Jones feels like Campbell isn’t letting him speak.
After he campaigned for the LibDems against Corbyn's Labour, Campbell forfeited any right to claim to be ANY part of "the left". And he is heavily involved in Keir Starmer's project to remove all vestiges of socialism- when there is nothing to the right of socialism that could ever be worth doing for the Labour Party- and all socialists-there is no such thing as a socialist who supports Keir Starmer's changes to what the party stands for, and nothing socialist that can possibly be done by a Starmer Government- something Keir admitted by having Rachel Reeves pledged the party to "pro-business economics" (i.e., Thatcherism).
Jones has far too much confidences. It’s embarrassing
@@Icanbacktrailers He’s always had a chip on his shoulder tbh, though I’ve never been sure if he’s playing it up to get a rise out of others or just arrogant.
Either way, I don’t like how he conducts himself personally.
Alastair did an excellent job with this interview. The points that he makes with Owen are great. Owen just needs to listen.
Fascinating to see them touch on the rise of Populism and totally misunderstand why it has happened. In their eyes, they are never to blame.
Odi et Amo Educate me. Why is Owen Jones to blame for the rise in populism?
Nothing is ever the fault of the Left, even when there's a Tory landslide.
Campbell is right, Labour knocking the Labour party has made a huge difference. The media consistently do that together with the Tories and unless there is a voice out there somewhere to tell people this isn't so, in time the vast majority just start to believe it and this allows a new "truth" to be written.
ALASTAIR CAMPBELL I DARE YOU TO CONDUCT A SIMILAR INTERVIEW WITH SEAMUS MILNE.
Secular Scot Just look up a video of a lion playing with its prey, same situation.
You are Alistair Campbell and I claim my £5.
Seamus pls leave
why ?
John Wilson His name is actually Seumas Milne. If you Google him, you’ll find a lot there. He’s Corbyn’s equivalent of Alastair Campbell or Bernard Ingham. The reason he’s far less well known is because the other two served Prime Ministers.
Absolutely awesome to watch. Well done both of you, and thanks!
As a Centrist Liberal, not a Labour voter, Alastair is far more terrifying when it comes to a race for power.
Owen Jones is the first man ever to make Alistair Campbell seem likeable
Ball possession: Campbell - 2,5 sec.; Jones - 48 hrs.
And yet Campbell won 10-0
@@adamgibson7181 But the Queen is dead.
Love this interview, Campbell doesn’t allow Owen to do his usual trick of talking around the subject rather than just answering the question. I actually like Owen Jones too but his inability to answer direct questions is so frustrating!
Possibly because he doesn't have an answers.
The problem is Owen believes in the concept of left and right. It doesn't exist to the general public in 2017. He is the traditional middle class warbler who is focused on ideology and not the realities of everyday life that affect "working class" people. Even that concept doesn't exist anymore. Campbell knows how things works and how to play the game and most importantly how to win. The very least he knows how to present a coherent punchy agenda which people can either agree with or not.
working class doesn't exist? LOL. That's ideology in itself that there is no right or left positions. It's just defining of the certain positions - as it happens since French Revolution. You still have to define your positions and principles under certain umbrella term. Otherwise, it's total confusion. Even if you are to dump left or right, you have to use another definitions of your position on certain issues. General public don't care but "left and right spectrum" is useful for politicians or activists and political historians. They just have to propose their position on issues as attractive and beneficial to public without mentioning "left or right".
Paxman said of American politics it has been redefined as "winners and losers"
Like a father schooling a son whose just finished his first year at uni.
Their methods of debate are so different. Campbell is incredibly terse and Jones is really thorough. It almost sounds more like an interrogation than a discussion.
The difference of course being Campbell has been repeatedly proven to be right - both by winning elections and predicting corbyn defeats. Jones doesn’t know what is effective in the UK
'You've come into this interview with a view of what I believe'.... goes on to tell Campbell what he believes.
Having said that, it turned out in the end to have been an entertaining, (if not very informative), interview, with Owen Jones even putting Campbell on the spot a few times. If only the Labour Party could combine the marketing and oratory of Blair, the unity of Team GB, and a dash of the integrity of Corbyn, they could once again take the reigns of power from the Tories.
I've recently read "Start With Why" and "The Infinite Game" and they prefectly highlight how Owen Jones has no idea what makes a successful movement. Already 5 mins in and he has violated the rules of what makes a just cause
Jones is part of the aristocracy of the Far-left. Just as disdainful, obdurate, and self-preening as the.monarchs courtiers and High-Priests of the past. They admit no criticism. They confer resounding honours on the showy followers who please them - whether they have earned their prominence or not, and no matter what the public think. They live in their own little world and they will crush anybody in order to preserve it. That siege mentality will bring us all down. As one of the Hard Left once said to me after a crucial Labour defeat - “Winning isn’t everything”.
I’m no Campbell fan but Labour need people like him regardless of whether you agree with him or not. He goes straight to the point - or for the jugular as some might say, (might be why he was so obviously useful in his day).
The way I see it is this; Campbell and his ilk are not the problem, but rather the fact that the Labour ‘great and good’ have absolutely no answer for the hard-nosed scrutiny that people like Campbell bring, they are left floundering. Even Owen Jones, who we all know is sharp as a pin, and a decent debater, is nevertheless reduced to platitudes in answer to direct questions.
Show me a Labour leader who can win a down and dirty debate with Campbell and you might find a potential leader who has half a chance of winning an election!
If you’re a lefty then you should not be insulting Campbell (so many stupid childish insults), rather you should be begging your party to employ him to start toughening people up!
Campbell instantly shows that he is far more intelligent and realistic than owen. The massive lack of preparation, perception and knowledge going into the interview is farcically. The fact that Campbell is actually trying to help owen with how he is acting and owen rejecting it, is somewhat amusinng.
Part 3 badly needed.
This period of reflection ain't going well. Jones is such a lightweight
And who do you think you are? Superman?
Half His collar hanging out😂🤣😂😂🤣🤣😂😂
Owen Jones is too emotional for debate. He always looks seconds away from snapping and going home to his parents.
He asked for a “safe space”, the broom cupboard is always out of shot
Would've been easier to enjoy if it weren't for Campbell interrupting half way through Jones' answers every single time.
@Peter-uk. Jones answers were a jumble of unsupported assertions, going off at a tangent. That works well when you’re talking to your mates. But the public don’t want it and can’t use it.
It's a bit like that scene in Jurassic World where they drop the goat in the T-Rex pen.
What a naive baby Owen Jones is. And what sort of "intellectual" doesn't answer questions because he's scared of upsetting his fans?
A naive baby that is a published author, writes for a national news paper and appears tv. What do you, slag him off you tube comments. Whey to make an impact mate
@@dannysmith8917 *way
Well as a Blarite (I know boooh), this video actually made we go and watch Owen Jones channel - I hope he has a bright future in journalism ahead. A little bit of circling to begin with - though Mr Campbell came on a little strong. But I thought it was a good debate, particularly towards the end - where both shared their views.
It would be interesting to see them meet again now after the 2017 election.
Chris Bovington or better still after 2019 😂
dmotorhead was thinking, ‘how badly has this comment aged?’ 😂
Even better after the 2019; Corbynism, my part in its downfall by Owen Jones.
Or now… when centre left politics is now grossly needed.
Interesting looking back at this to see how right Campbell was and how wrong Jones was about the UK electoral chances for a Corbynite party.
Corbon's policies were "like changing at a door made out of titanium and it turned out it was made of paper."
That resonated with me.
No idea what Owen is waffling about; Alistair wanted concise answers and all he got was a historical referenced waffle which went nowhere.
Jones looks like an naive school kid.
Great speech. Owen really, really doesn't like upsetting the left of the Labour Party...yet he has.
The fact he's right on Corbyn is lost on them, of course.
28 minutes in Campbell even asks jones if hes thought about growing up hilarious
You would have thought that New Labour pragmatism might involve being open to the possibility that Corbynism might be an appropriate strategy for the current populist age; hard to see how slagging him off in the media is a pragmatic solution to anything
why is Campbell so antagonistic and hostile from the start?
iandonaldpaul probably because he's furious at the damage that Owen Jones and his fellow travellers have done to the Labour Party
He's a highly motivated in your face character. He thinks that needling people aggressively is the best way of getting something out of them. I think it's just his style and he's used to stepping on people's toes in politics.
Because he's the left wing answer to Piers Morgan, I've always thought that and Owen brought it up too!
I'm finding it hard to accept Alister Campbell is left wing in any way.
I agree, I regretted that as soon as I clicked reply.
One expert liar eviscerating a less expert one.
25:31 typical of the far left to just abdicate responsibility when they can't form a coherent argument
He isnt far left.
@@patcampton9799 he is
Owen never comes across very well when he talks to grown ups
I can't listen to the rest of this interview it's exactly what's wrong with politics nowadays. Campbell gets lifted into jobs on the back of what he did for private enterprise from 97-08. He's continually been against everything our movement has been for and interrupts Jones whenever he brings cohesion to our argument. Politics in the UK is completely broken and you can blame outlets like GQ for keeping people like Campbell even slightly relevant when he should be sitting next to his good friend Tony in The Hague
"I'm gonna take your words and put them on the paper" said the guy who's altered documents lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths. Good old Alastair Campbell! Hope you can sleep at night buddy
You know you are in the wrong party when you are scared of speaking honestly. The guy literally said "i'm scared of what I say because I don't want it to be damaging to what I believe in". Oh my. Wake up.
28:27 Owen finally says what we've all been thinking
We've all been thinking owen and the other broomhead opposite knows nothing about working people,did he say anything like that ,perhaps they've been drinking too much champagne again
His first sentence immediately switched me off, Alastair asked a simple question "Who's they?" and he went off a tangent. When you speak in general too often you don't find your point whatever it may be comes across.
The idea that Alistair Campbell is 'on the left' is RIDICULOUS.
What’s my brand of politics?
I don’t know where to go with that.
There’s a reason that 1997 - 2010 Labour won 3 x GEs and a reason why Owen’s, Corbyn’s and McDonnell’s will always just be a protest that keeps them in a nice living.
Owen Jones isn't very bright. Campbell exposes his total lack of depth...
Jones is all technique. The blather is supposed to show him struggling with a sincere and overwhelming passion for truth. I didn’t get the impression of a good and charitable man. I’ve met so many like him in my long life.
Like watching Mr Miyagi explaining to Danielson that he hasn't just been washing cars, he's been learning Karate! But Danielson doesn't understand and just keeps washing those cars...
what the fuck am i watching? owen jones getting beaten up while trying to have an honest conversation with a spin doctor.
Campbell is a professional liar (spin doctor, same thing) its his job.
You can never be too loud, gents. Turn up the volume!
always talk. whatever your views, keep talking! Very important people.
Now post election there's got to be another one like this... preferably between Campbell & Corbyn; in Jeremy's office; with Yuvette Cooper, Chuka Umuna & Ed Milliband & Corbyn's top team to unite the party & win the next election that could be in months!
The most painful here is to see how tribal and group thinking the hard left Labour is. Owen is afraid to be slagged off by his OWN audience, if he is seen in a room with Alastair, if he agrees Corbyn cannot win an election, if he may show that Labour strategy fails. He needs a lot of words, only to not be pinned down. That's where he resembles fence sitting Corbyn.
I disliked it where Owen said people voted leave because of low investment in public services, etc. Why did no one ever say that it is not the EU that prevents the UK government itself to invest more in communities. Even worse: some leave voting areas are going to lose EU support (which most of them found out only after the vote)
43:50 it is not just that left is not only fact and right story. Socialism is a policy, while conservatism is a personality trait. That's why vote leave used the big-5 personality traits to build their campaign on. Risk aversion, low tolerance of complexity (enough of experts), low tolerance to change, etc. So try to translate social democracy to traits. Then you find out they are not in the big-5. But there are some that resonate, such as generosity, compassion, fairness.
But it doesn't win it unless you go for the same big-5 traits as conservatives, but then on the other end of the spectrum: openness, forward-looking, responsive to change, open minded, welcoming, fearless, confident, inclusive, etc. You are then on libdem territory; Momentum are way too ideological to score high on openness.
I'm baffled as to why you say the EU prevents governments investing more in their communities, as it's patently untrue. Try telling that to the likes of Sweden and Denmark, who are EU members.
Just me or is the audio terrible?
24:45 Interesting point as 'New Labour' literally defined itself as taking on the best elements of Thatcherism while rhetorically binning every aspect of Labour's democratic socialist policies, while then implementing the majority of the 1983 Foot Manifesto. New Labour completely lowered the discourse of immigration, law and order and foreign policy by trying to out tory the tories and now Campbell has the cheek to blame the Ed Miliband - of all people - for rejecting and creating 'narratives' about New Labour governments, when 'New Labour' legitimated and advanced many right wing economic and moral ideas through the parliamentary vehicle of the left.
new labour > current labour
Alastair Campbell is legend
Very interesting. I wish Campbell had suggested something, anything that the Right/Moderate of the Labour party could do to suggest it has a positive vision. Simply saying 'we want power' won't work because people don't simply hand you power. However, the point that he started to make about Jones moving from observer to player is pertinent. Jones could start to give Labour the clarity in dealing with the media it needs. Too many on the Labour left instinctively run away from the media and hope it won't hurt them which only makes it worse.
Thaks for posting.
Owen Jones came off as a self conscious whilst bumbling along this interview as if he were a child being caught out by his dad. He's very aware of his persona and is scared to death of loosing it.
Pardon my grammar.
Gheez Alastair Campbell is irritating! Let the guy speak!
Owen is CONSTANTLY speaking. Campbell barely gets a word in...
um ur, ah , um , um , what i mean is, um , er, , but but, um, Owen needs someone to help him speak sometimes, he rambled so much in this one!
Owen "I don't want to say anything that hurts the left" every thing you say hurts the left. You are the personification of woke, progressivism.
I agree, saying this as a denizen of the centre-left.
how many times can you say "this is the problem" before it becomes meaningless?
If only smugness could be turned into a renewable energy. These two could power London and the greater London area by themselves.
owen jones comes across as overly sensitive, overly defensive and as campbell points out, overly self checking, constantly declaring himself as 'on the left'. Maybe he was nervous. Would have been more interesting is campbell could have got more of a word in and the discussion was less dogmatic
It's like a literal Battle of the Bellends.
The middle point that might have unified Campbell and Jones would have been a discussion of the UK electoral system. The answer to problems of the left and the centre-left is a renewal and reinvigoration of the UK electoral system from FPTP to some kind of coalition. First past the post will always create a 2 Party System that favours a party with the most narcists where the parts of the left are at each other's throats blaming each other and a presidential system with a more celebrity type leader being more favoured than a serious and decent Prime minister. The German coalition system brings the left parties together and gives them more chances for actual power while giving smaller parties opportunities to become junior partners in governmner. That the answer to a modern UK political system
it didn't take long for this exchange to age terribly did it
the thing with people like Owen Jones throwing Iraq war at Alastair is, if you have fundamental problem with him on this, do no engage with him on principle. Do not sit with him and talk about different topics, and when you are losing, throw Iraq at him as a cop out. If he is a war criminal in your eyes, it should be a huge deal. Not a footnote to be used as a debate point.
The funny thing is Owen is a lifelong Labour voter until very recently. He's old enough to have voted for a New Labour government at least under Brown. Going by his own principles he wouldn't want to have anything to do with that Labour that in Owens view committed war crimes across Afghanistan and Iraq . And he can't be accused of being some politically illiterate kid given his education and family background lol.
When Israel/Hamas broke out last year Owen was quick to call out a former Tory minister over Afghanistan which is funny given he would've voted for Labour. Going by his own principles that Labour party would've been up to their neck with beyond the pale war criminals!
@@philmitchell91 Great point !
Alastair's (and he makes sure he leads it) approach to this asking Facebook-quiz style questions, is not the most constructive, inclusive or respectful that could be imagined.
You can learn a lot from this video, but in a way it's a shame that so much of it is approached like this by Alastair.
Jones' analysis on almost everything is childlike and simplistic. His focus on Iraq is typical of many people - comparing Iraq to Britain on Brexit is moronic
He looks at the world through an ideological kaleidoscope. It's like an addiction with him.
Christ that Campbell is so dismissive and rude. Why interview someone if you already think you know a person's opinions and continuously talk over them whenever they open their mouth?
Only because Owen is so wishy washy. Owen is so idealistic, such an ideologue that it hurts.
99% of this interview is Owen talking though? It's Owen who can't help but skirt around the question and spent ages deliberating his answers.
J Mulc Seems to be what all interviewers do these days.
Maybe, but at least he did everyone the courtesy of turning up on time...
I really tried to enjoy this but Owen Jones is so dull. He just loves to drone on and loves the sound of his own voice and it’s so boring.
Alastair Campbell's words are so twisted it's hard to tell up from down.
Interviewing Tony Blair's spin doctor was problematic.
Thomas Steele Owen Jones is the one being interviewed.
1st, I agree massively with Gavin Hitchens' comment. 2nd Owen, it is so nice to see you speaking and thinking more openly, I still think it's silly when you (understandably) don't want to openly criticise Corbin, but based on the recent reaction of certain sections of social media, I understand. 3rd When is the next Owen Jones Q&A?