Astonished at how childish Owen Jones is in this interview, does himself no favours. Uses it as a strange power-play at times when he realises Campbell is effortlessly dominating the discussion.
Just about to write exactly this, it just looks 'so' naive now, the question is will Corbynistas concede that maybe they'd misread the lay of the land or will they just double down
Chris Lane they’ll double down and find literally any reason to blame for their failure apart from Corbyn and his brand of politics. Whether it be “sabotaging from the Blairites”, the Murdoch Media, or that the country is just full of horrible racists, the blame will never be placed at the foot of Jeremy Corbyn, because doing so would mean acting as mature adults and accepting defeat. They’ll always believe they got it all right and they’ll never concede.
"You must also accept that the fact that the Tory campaign was so bad...will be changed at the next election. And you've got to start to think ahead to that." Turned out to be spot on.
It must be painful for many concerned, that Alistair Campbell not only comes out of this very very well as a principled and likeable guy, but also as a guy who has been proved right by recent history. 💯
@@DisobedientSpaceWhale Nope! Corbyn supported a hard Brexit, which is what we now have, all to pander to a bunch of racists/xenophobes in 50 odd seats. At the next election, millions of people will refuse to vote Labour because of that hard brexit choice... People like me will never again vote Labour in London, because Labour is taking us for granted and letting the racists win...
There are several million Corbyn voters who voted for Tony Blair not once but three times (including once after the invasion of Iraq) yet claim to have despised him forever
I can't understand what's happened to you Owen. You used to be thoughtful, friendly, polite. You were rude to Alastair. You certainly should have apologised profusely for being late. Your questions were odd, aggressive, overtly hostile. I'm disappointed.
I know this is a year and a half later, but I see Alastair and Owen as two people who passionately and even viciously disagree with one another, but take great pleasure in slight barbed attacks. Campbell isn’t passive here, he’s just a lot more skilful in the manner of his attacks on Jones’ views, as I would expect of the former King of Spin.
This interview made me lose respect for Owen Jones. He doesn't want to watch the interview with Tony Blair? They guy who won 3 elections? Like the left doesn't want to learn at all. Being rude for being corrected on grammar? Like he didn't want to learn when he was at school. Sounds like he is representing the babies who grew older but never grew up. I think he has changed in the last 3 years (watching it in 2020, 3 years after this interview).
There's a GQ video where Alistair Campbell is interviewing Owen and Owen was late for that interview too. :D You'd think he'd be a little apologetic second time round, but instead less than thirty seconds after getting through the door he whips out "You've got to plan for things, have you? Like Iraq?". Hahaha
At least we did something. The anti-war movement doesn't have a great track record, Rwanda, DRC, Israel, Afghanistan, Iraq from 1979-2003 If you would stand and watch Saddam Hussein and his crimes, you are the one that has explaining to do.
Ollie Not our problem. I feel bad for the people who suffered under Hussain but we have no right to be the world police especially when we're so chummy with Saudi Arabia
I wonder how Owen Jones feels after Labour did suffer their worst election defeat post WW2 under Jeremy Corbyn as he used in this interview against Alastair Campbell. Owen's refusal to even listen or try to understand other politicians point of views i.e. Tony Blair and Nick Clegg in this interview highlights the key issue in todays society where people are so intolerant of other people's views.
I like Campbells honesty, you can see he quite clearly is still very passionate about the Labour party and will say what he thinks whether it's the fashionable thing or not.
I'm going to watch this. I want to watch this. However, even in the first 30 second Owen Jones comes across as thoroughly unlikeable and infantile. It's difficult to proceed impartially when the interviewer's opening gambit leaves you feeling nauseous; he's acting like he's the 'funny one' in his group of friends but outwith that circle one discovers he is more than a mite cretinous. I will plod on...
I normally enjoy Owen's interviews - but this was flippant, petulant, petty point scoring journalism at it's worst. Glib off hand comments which in some cases were distasteful. This could have been a really good interview - ruined by Owen clearly trying constantly to get one over on AC.
20 minutes in, where is your professionalism Jones? Arrived late, asks questions in a deliberately insulting way, tells Alistair what he should think. This is a pattern when Owen interviews people he doesn't like, viewers might not like campbell either, but its not an excuse for poor journalism.
Actually, it seems clear to me that these two like each other, despite their different opinions. They're having a conversation between equals, rather than a formal question and answer. I'm American, so I don't know how much this is typical in the UK, but I find it refreshing.
Roderick Cox Poor professionalism not journalism. Owen is a great gonzo journalist, since when do you need to be a professional to be any good at that?
Have to agree, am generally a fan of Owen, but some of this interview feels immature and unprofessional - particularly in the first half - second half seems to improve
Owen, I'm new to your channel. I started by watching your interview of Peter Hitchens, then Anna Soubery ....IMO this is the worst interview of the 3. In this interview your disrespect and bias clearly shows, yet this guy is politically a lot closer to your opinions. Why can't you conduct a dispassionate interview with the people on the left like you do with those on the right? This is terrible
It’s funny watching this back today. Owen has been firmly and publicly outed as the nasty little gremlin he is, relegated to the dregs of Twitter with very little remaining influence; while Campbell is hosting the most watched UK political podcast, also broadcasted on Channel 4, and providing commentary for the election. And is quite widely respected now.
Enjoyed the interview. Good questions Owen. Mr Campbell is a pro and handles this with ease. Keep them coming Owen, I love the channel. Well done Alistair with your work on mental health
I consider myself a lefty, and I'm not saying I agree with everything Alistair stands by and his values, but I think the interview was a bit overly hostile to him than necessary. He does have a set if beliefs about the way the modern world works and has his doubts about Corbyn, I think it's important to at least hear what he has to say. He does make some valid points about how the level of scrutiny under the next labour manifesto for a future election will be far more substantial, and we need to be prepared for that. I'm not saying we sacrafice our values or anything like that, I too was left feeling disenfranchised during the Blair and Brown administration when a reversal of some of Thatcher's most punishing policies did not go through like I wanted. But let's at least understand the challenges we face going into the next election and better prepare to meet those demands so we can secure primeminster Corbyn
Alistair disagrees with you - he's made it clear to people lie you that he's a big boy, used to debating like an adult, and is even a little baffled by responses like yours. What the hell is wrong with serious, strenuous debate and disagreement?
you have a read about the history of iraq, say from ww2 to the present and come back. and i wouldnt announce your ideology at the beginning of a post, fair or unfair it comes across as a lame defence of your following remarks
Alex Daniel I haven't seen the other interview. If true, I don't think it makes a difference anyway because two wrongs don't make a right. One of the many factors that drew me to Corbyn was his move away from what he refers to as "personality" politics. He doesn't promote the nonsense insults and one-off jokes that recent Tory leaders use during PMQs all the time. Cameron and May hurled abuse at him at every turn and kept trying to rip apart his credibility. But he stayed true to his values and didn't retaliate, and I think it was admired greatly. I feel like this tone needs to be adopted more during debates (particularly for debaters on the left) to demonstrate we can rise above the insults that the opposition makes.
ac1dP1nk I never mentioned Iraq in my comment, I imagine we agree that the war was illegal, unnecessary and the aftermath was just a mess. Remember we are on the same page here politically (we share the same square on the compass). I want to see Prime minister Corbyn come the next election, and I'm not even making a criticism on him specifically. I'm trying to offer my two cents on where I think left can improve further and gain the little more support we need to enter government. Simply willing to debate the issues maturely and be able to listen and address the concerns of those very close to joining the ship will go a long way towards achieving this. Not saying that the majority don't do this, but occasionally interviews like this demonstrate somewhat what I'm saying and I think it can make our cause come across more childish than it really is.
Campbell is a brilliant strategic thinker and is peerless in his knowledge of conducting campaigns. I also think that Campbell is far less machiavellian than he's made out to be.
Never heard a whisper from the right wing loons when Blair were in charge and Campbell was our Machiavelli. They did a hell of a lot of good for this country, Look at us now. We're fucked. They gave the DUP a billion and we still can't build a lead over them! The right rule and we're about to plunged into more hysterical illogical right wing ideological nonsense. i'd have him back in a flash.
Owen Jones has I feel a fixed personality , he's never grown up . He's still an immature student , yet he s mid to late 30s ! That is a worrying thing .
“Both came across really well” were you watching something else to the rest of us. Owen comes across as a child despite being in his 30s. It’s a disgrace he is paid as a journalist and calls himself one.
Alastair Campbell is right in much of what he said. I worked with asylum seekers from Kurdistan, many of them fled for their lives from the Iraqi regime. Saddam Hussein was gassing Kurdish villages and Marsh Arabs. The Kurdish I spoke with at the time were in full support for the war. The mistake was made by George Bush senior in not taking out the regime in 1990. The second mistake was the lack of planning for the future after the regime was toppled. The problem is does one intervene like in Syria or let these regimes kill their citizens and simply turn a blind eye and follow a pacifist role like Corbyn would do.
Owen, in general I love what you are about. But this interview should be lesson for you in the future. As emotional as you may feel towards a particular person or subject, try to always remain professional and objective. Peace
Im Labour, I like Starmer, I can not stand Owen Jones. Even though Campbell voted libdem in the EU elections, I find it horrible how owen treats Campbell in this interview.
Cut to one and a half years later and Campbell was absolutely right about Brexit. Owen Jones was completely off the mark, and has indeed got too carried away with Corbyn :(
I love Owen preaching about how Corbyn was gonna transform Labour's fortune. I have a tip for everyone, if there are 59 numbers in the lottery, ask Owen to pick 52. Based on every video I have ever seen, he will get every single number wrong and boom, you're a winner.
This was embarrassing to watch. Owen you're a journalist not Alan Partridge. Arrive on time or at least apologise if you're late! Plus it's always a good idea not to insult the person you're interviewing or interrupt them every 30 seconds. Utter shambles of a man.
Yeah this guy is just looking for any excuse to rip into Owen. Doesn't matter how well Owen does or doesn't do at an interview. Just wants his imaginary bonus points.
Owen has no clue what people think about him. How would he know? Any criticism, however mild, any disagreement with him on social media & he blocks people. There is certainly someone in this interviews with Machiavellian traits
Seemed really unprofessional with all the backhanded questions and being late. Why did you give him such a hard time when all your interviews with right wingers like Peter Hitchens are such gigglefests?
This is a pretty good interview - more thanks to Alastair Campbell's intellect and character than Owen Jones's incessant interruptions. I dislike much of what Campbell did and how but he gives a mature account of himself and (I shudder to say this) should have been given more respect by Owen Jones.
One of the best interviews I've seen you do. Asked a lot of the questions that I've wanted to know the answer too, in contrast to the last interview with Al. Good work.
Alistair, I've voted Labour all my life. I voted for Tony, I voted for Gordon, I voted for Corbyn. I'm a HUGE Corbyn fan. I was overjoyed when someone on the left (not hard left, let's be sensible) took control of the party. Jeremy is a man who genuinely cares. I think Tony fucked up, but I still look fondly on the TB-GB years. Labour did many great things and I always take pains to point this out when people are trashing Blair. Just mentioning that, because we do exist.
Alastair Campbell is still Blair's spokesman and so there's lots of important questions that need asking of him, and in this interview they were asked. Good stuff.
Owen you interrupt quite a bit don't you? I know it's your job to get down to the point and to keep on track for time but sometimes I really do jst want to hear what they have to say, and it comes across a bit rude!
I think what’s slightly dishonest from Owen Jones is how on some issues (tax, public spending, nationalisation etc) he wants to stick to principles and ideology yet on Brexit he doesn’t, and is happy for Corbyn to fudge. I quite like Owen Jones, I think he’s got an interesting perspective but I think he falls too easily into the factional debates of the left, choosing to defend Corbyn rather than maintaining a consistent approach to how a labour leader should act.
A lot of whinging about the tone of the debate in this comments section, but I would describe the tone as "cut-and-thrust". These are clearly two people who know each other and are well-acquainted, and are being open and candid about their views and arguments.
Largesse1000 In what way do you believe they are deluded and self-serving? And do you believe that doesn't apply to centrist politicians (Alastair Campbell is a centrist by the way) and right-wing politicians?
@@rp1455 Because people like then both, who have never been at the bottom of the damn pecking order of this country, Owen is a self confessed middle class lad, what gives him the right to speak for the working class whom he has no idea about the lives of, he went onto Oxford didn't study journalism yet works for the independent and guardian, whilst many working class background journalist can't get a job for these papers. His parents are very well nit into the labour party and have been for some time, so it's fair to say simply Owen too is part of the political elite he apparently hates so much. Add to that the little idiot claims that ALL journalist are entitled, private educated elites, yet wont apologise to journalist from working class backgrounds who are obviously not part of an elite as most simply work in their local areas for those newspapers, he did the thing he so outright hates stereotyping and clumping a mass of people into category. I can not for life of me no matter how i try like or agree with anything that comes out of his entitled mouth. How about he hands in his p45 at the guardian and let them take on a working class background journalist? He can go get a job in the thing he got his degree, apparently no matter what he does as a middle class lad, he wont fail and will always to better than the working class. Says it all really that he believes that yet he has a better job that working class lads and ladies who have had to work much harder to get to university and get a job, but some employees like the guardian only take those from the best universities like Oxford, the exact reason why Owen got the journalist jobs he has. Total hypocrisy is just unreal. He's entitled pure and simple, so much so he doesn't feel he has to apologise for being late, entitled little middle class, Oxford graduates don't have to apologise to anyone, friend, foe or otherwise.
The fact Owen wont listen to anything Tony Blair has to say shows the problem with the narrow minded ideological thinking in the left and why politics is becoming more polarized. Owen also came across very rude and arrogant during this interview.
The trouble is not that he supports Corbyn, but that it feels as though he isn't ever going to criticise him, for example about his failures on Europe.
I like Alastair a lot, he takes no BS, likes punctuality and is always to the point. Never been a fan of Owen, always thought he thinks he is a lot better at what he does than he actually he is
This was an interesting interview, I thought Campbell came across well till about 35 minutes in when he starts copping out and getting selective in terms of memory. He spends half the interview talking up Blairs legacy and when it comes to the real hard questions he clams up, because what else can he do, it's indefensible.
Exactly what I was going to say. Fair play to Owen - whose behaviour at points is borderline petulant - lands the serious blows in the latter half of the interview.
Tom Williams I don't understand why this interview is happening.. It seems to be an attempt to position Corbin as the best Labour leader since the 1950s... I was hoping for more information on labour strategy when it was in power rather than about Corbin ... Is he weak at present because of ghosts of Blair past ... what's going on?
I'm not sure I quite follow what you're getting at Shub. Owen clearly thinks Corbyn is a good leader but I'm pretty sure Campbell is vehemently opposed to his being leader. He probably respects him a bit more because of the election result and cos he thinks Corb has a chance of taking the tories out of office but I'm sure if he ever became PM Campbell would work against him.
Tony Blair was one of the most successful PMs ever, you can insult him put him down as much as u want but you won't take that off him. I'd vote for him now as corbynov won't get in and I won't vote for Conservatives
AC was spot on this interview. History shows Owen in a really bad light. Especially his awful conduct and disrespect to AC despite his gvt giving him the best upbringing he could’ve wished for
Why can nobody see that Owen's so called "aggression" is purely tongue-in-cheek. Obviously he and Campbell are from two separate sides of Labour, but on a human level its clear that Owen and Campbell get along. Campbell speaks very well here by the way. Can see why Blair needed him during his formative years as party leader/PM. The guys intense.
Absolutely fascinating interview. This was extremely well done Owen, two sides of the same party can make a gripping discussion since certain fundamentals are agreed upon. I'm 19 and firmly on the McDonnell and Corbyn side of the Labour party but I feel like I've learned a lot from this.
This man sent the ‘Dogy Dossier’ 13 page document saying Iraq had WMD’s. He went and sent this to all news outlets which led to the UK joining the US in the Iraq war resulting in 1 Million deaths.
One of the things I find fascinating about politicians is their ability to have clear conviction in things that haven't happened. I was a civil servant under New Labour. I left because of the constant threat of redundancy due to swathes of staff cuts. I had to move jobs multiple times and it became stressful. And yet in Campbell's mind there was big investment in the public sector and an expansion of it. I warned people that these reductions would be a problem, and that was ignored. Now we have a DWP that is only there to provide benefits and benefit sanctions, much of which are online only. Furthermore, the investment that did happen in schools and the NHS are now millstones around the necks of both. The payments on the PFI have been ruinous, leaving those hospitals and schools ripe to be privatised because they're failing. Oh, and let's not start on those privatised schools. He comes across like my MP, quite disarming, but his answer to questions is, "look, it's complicated" before not really answering them.
I stuck this out despite being quite put off by your behaviour at the start! Very interesting interview, glad you were able to come to a more civilised conclusion.
Astonished at how childish Owen Jones is in this interview, does himself no favours. Uses it as a strange power-play at times when he realises Campbell is effortlessly dominating the discussion.
Grown-up vs child.
Are you mad???…
Owen owns this …end ov
@@leeforsythgriffiths Does he? Campbell was right in the end
He's annoying guy who just criticizes people with 0 of his own suggestions 😊
I'd like to see an updated 2020 version of this interview
it would be the same..these people hate britain and love the EU and its banker friends.
Joe Short you and me both Joe.
Just about to write exactly this, it just looks 'so' naive now, the question is will Corbynistas concede that maybe they'd misread the lay of the land or will they just double down
Jesus Christ Jones give him a chance to reply! 😡
Chris Lane they’ll double down and find literally any reason to blame for their failure apart from Corbyn and his brand of politics. Whether it be “sabotaging from the Blairites”, the Murdoch Media, or that the country is just full of horrible racists, the blame will never be placed at the foot of Jeremy Corbyn, because doing so would mean acting as mature adults and accepting defeat. They’ll always believe they got it all right and they’ll never concede.
"You must also accept that the fact that the Tory campaign was so bad...will be changed at the next election. And you've got to start to think ahead to that." Turned out to be spot on.
Yep. Campbell as usual is correct.
Owen was right about the potential electoral damage to Labour of not supporting Brexit referendum result though...
Christ, Owen didn't come out of that well. Passive-agressive snideness off the chart.
Totally! Owen was so much calmer and adult, frankly, in his interview with Peter Hitchenson two years before.
@@rodoherty1 I suspect that Owen is closer to Hitchens in his politics than he (Owen Jones) would care to admit.
He rendered it unwatchable. I gave up I couldn’t handle Owens obnoxiousness on this one.
Far too much sexual tension in this one, keep more on topic next time please.
That's the only thing watchable about it
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It must be painful for many concerned, that Alistair Campbell not only comes out of this very very well as a principled and likeable guy, but also as a guy who has been proved right by recent history. 💯
I've come to respect him as a voice on politics. He's exceptionally intelligent, regardless of what you think of him.
Campbell gives the best political interviews
Owen should rewatch this. Everything Campbell warned him about came true
Owen was right about the potential electoral damage to Labour of not supporting Brexit referendum result though...
@Yenaski Tegar Corbyn would be starting wars and licking the boot of the Americans
@@DisobedientSpaceWhale Nope! Corbyn supported a hard Brexit, which is what we now have, all to pander to a bunch of racists/xenophobes in 50 odd seats. At the next election, millions of people will refuse to vote Labour because of that hard brexit choice...
People like me will never again vote Labour in London, because Labour is taking us for granted and letting the racists win...
@@johnbarrett915 Cobryn campaigned for remain....how do you get "hard Brexit" from that?!
Cos it was half cocked & tried to play both sides from the middle @@chrisharraway1425
Alistair Campbell got it absolutely right about how the dynamics of the 2019 election would play out.
Hate to say it but yeah, I think we also faced a more serious opponent this time they actually went for us and we had less defense.
He did, but he also supported a second ref, a policy which killed labour
There are several million Corbyn voters who voted for Tony Blair not once but three times (including once after the invasion of Iraq) yet claim to have despised him forever
And what was the alternative?
Whiffy McBiffy this aged well mate.
This David Brent performance from Owen Jones is spot on.
I can't understand what's happened to you Owen. You used to be thoughtful, friendly, polite. You were rude to Alastair. You certainly should have apologised profusely for being late. Your questions were odd, aggressive, overtly hostile. I'm disappointed.
Angie Pedley he needs to be treated with respect, I would have apologised for being late.
I know this is a year and a half later, but I see Alastair and Owen as two people who passionately and even viciously disagree with one another, but take great pleasure in slight barbed attacks. Campbell isn’t passive here, he’s just a lot more skilful in the manner of his attacks on Jones’ views, as I would expect of the former King of Spin.
flower nct You mean between the Labour Party and new labour.
I have the impression that they enjoy / like each other, despite their disagreements.
Owen Jones is overcompensating badly for lack of natural/instinctive bravado, and it comes across as arrogant in this interview.
Well this didn't age well for Owen...
Watch it again?
This interview made me lose respect for Owen Jones. He doesn't want to watch the interview with Tony Blair? They guy who won 3 elections? Like the left doesn't want to learn at all. Being rude for being corrected on grammar? Like he didn't want to learn when he was at school. Sounds like he is representing the babies who grew older but never grew up. I think he has changed in the last 3 years (watching it in 2020, 3 years after this interview).
And he didn't even apologise for being late
And of course Alastair Campbell is a very smart guy
this was a few months after Campbell interviewed Owen for GQ and Campbell wiped the floor with Owen.
You were bit of a jerk about being late
ForwardMcburn Being late is more forgivable than the Iraq war, though
Connor Ovington i tried that with my manager the other day.......didn't go down well.
There's a GQ video where Alistair Campbell is interviewing Owen and Owen was late for that interview too. :D You'd think he'd be a little apologetic second time round, but instead less than thirty seconds after getting through the door he whips out "You've got to plan for things, have you? Like Iraq?". Hahaha
At least we did something. The anti-war movement doesn't have a great track record, Rwanda, DRC, Israel, Afghanistan, Iraq from 1979-2003
If you would stand and watch Saddam Hussein and his crimes, you are the one that has explaining to do.
Ollie Not our problem. I feel bad for the people who suffered under Hussain but we have no right to be the world police especially when we're so chummy with Saudi Arabia
I wonder how Owen Jones feels after Labour did suffer their worst election defeat post WW2 under Jeremy Corbyn as he used in this interview against Alastair Campbell. Owen's refusal to even listen or try to understand other politicians point of views i.e. Tony Blair and Nick Clegg in this interview highlights the key issue in todays society where people are so intolerant of other people's views.
Owen is so in denial over his beliefs there's no way he accepted the 2019 election result as being Corbyn's or the far left's fault.
Owen was right about the potential electoral damage to Labour of not supporting Brexit referendum result though...
Some folk just don't want to tolerate mass murderers and war criminals, I guess.
I like Campbells honesty, you can see he quite clearly is still very passionate about the Labour party and will say what he thinks whether it's the fashionable thing or not.
I'm going to watch this. I want to watch this. However, even in the first 30 second Owen Jones comes across as thoroughly unlikeable and infantile. It's difficult to proceed impartially when the interviewer's opening gambit leaves you feeling nauseous; he's acting like he's the 'funny one' in his group of friends but outwith that circle one discovers he is more than a mite cretinous. I will plod on...
Well said.
I normally enjoy Owen's interviews - but this was flippant, petulant, petty point scoring journalism at it's worst. Glib off hand comments which in some cases were distasteful. This could have been a really good interview - ruined by Owen clearly trying constantly to get one over on AC.
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@@nkenchington6575 He's a descriptivist
Stephen Turner I think he was just being pithy. They clearly disagree on political grounds but they also clearly get along
@@thomasmohan9565 didn't really work. It made him look petty and childish.
20 minutes in, where is your professionalism Jones? Arrived late, asks questions in a deliberately insulting way, tells Alistair what he should think. This is a pattern when Owen interviews people he doesn't like, viewers might not like campbell either, but its not an excuse for poor journalism.
Actually, it seems clear to me that these two like each other, despite their different opinions. They're having a conversation between equals, rather than a formal question and answer. I'm American, so I don't know how much this is typical in the UK, but I find it refreshing.
Roderick Cox Poor professionalism not journalism. Owen is a great gonzo journalist, since when do you need to be a professional to be any good at that?
Have to agree, am generally a fan of Owen, but some of this interview feels immature and unprofessional - particularly in the first half - second half seems to improve
Who said you need to be kind and polite in an interview?
Campbell destroyed Owen during their GQ interview. Think Owen had a chip on his shoulder and felt he had something to prove coming into this
The way these two personalities play off eachother is very very entertaining.
Hopefully there is another one of these interviews in the works.
alistar campbell interviewed owen jones for gq a while ago it's just as enjoyable to watch
Social democracy socdems
Owen's gone mad now, I don't think he even does interviews anymore.
Campbell was so correct in this
Owen was right about the potential electoral damage to Labour of not supporting Brexit referendum result though...
@@DisobedientSpaceWhale How many times did you post this comment?
@@iangascoigne8231 I can't remember, it was 10 months ago.
@@DisobedientSpaceWhale You really needed to come up with something else.
@@DisobedientSpaceWhale Yes you did. You posted the same comment numerous times in different threads.
Owen Jones is extremely closed minded starting to lose interest in the guy.
Love how within three minutes he basically admits to being Malcolm Tucker 👌
An idealist meets a pragmatist
Owen Jones is too left wing for this country. His brand of politics will never win a party an election or be in office.
"I dont have time to listen to Tony Blair"
2 minutes later quotes Tony Blair in an interview
Jason I think he was being pithy
Goodness me, I would find it hard to believe that OJ can watch this back without squirming with embarrassment.
Owen, I'm new to your channel. I started by watching your interview of Peter Hitchens, then Anna Soubery ....IMO this is the worst interview of the 3. In this interview your disrespect and bias clearly shows, yet this guy is politically a lot closer to your opinions. Why can't you conduct a dispassionate interview with the people on the left like you do with those on the right? This is terrible
Fascinating. Huge difference between being in government and doing stuff and standing on the sidelines throwing things at those who are doing stuff.
Just to clarify Owen Jones hates new labour
lol this buffoon OJ would rather sit crying on the sidelines than make the country fairer as new labour did.
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@@yungstasag it’s the only way he’s be able to stay relevant.
Can't tell if they hate each other or are flirting :/
Currently admiring Campbell's patience and restraint
Difference between Owen Jones and Alastair Campbell is that Campbell wants to know the truth and Owen wants what he believes in to be true
It’s funny watching this back today. Owen has been firmly and publicly outed as the nasty little gremlin he is, relegated to the dregs of Twitter with very little remaining influence; while Campbell is hosting the most watched UK political podcast, also broadcasted on Channel 4, and providing commentary for the election. And is quite widely respected now.
Enjoyed the interview. Good questions Owen. Mr Campbell is a pro and handles this with ease. Keep them coming Owen, I love the channel. Well done Alistair with your work on mental health
I love how Owen Jones walk in with the thick of it style jokes 😂
the camera shakes are spot on
I must have missed that bit.
I consider myself a lefty, and I'm not saying I agree with everything Alistair stands by and his values, but I think the interview was a bit overly hostile to him than necessary. He does have a set if beliefs about the way the modern world works and has his doubts about Corbyn, I think it's important to at least hear what he has to say. He does make some valid points about how the level of scrutiny under the next labour manifesto for a future election will be far more substantial, and we need to be prepared for that.
I'm not saying we sacrafice our values or anything like that, I too was left feeling disenfranchised during the Blair and Brown administration when a reversal of some of Thatcher's most punishing policies did not go through like I wanted. But let's at least understand the challenges we face going into the next election and better prepare to meet those demands so we can secure primeminster Corbyn
Alistair disagrees with you - he's made it clear to people lie you that he's a big boy, used to debating like an adult, and is even a little baffled by responses like yours. What the hell is wrong with serious, strenuous debate and disagreement?
Did you see the previous interview they did? He was pretty hostile to Owen.
you have a read about the history of iraq, say from ww2 to the present and come back. and i wouldnt announce your ideology at the beginning of a post, fair or unfair it comes across as a lame defence of your following remarks
Alex Daniel I haven't seen the other interview. If true, I don't think it makes a difference anyway because two wrongs don't make a right. One of the many factors that drew me to Corbyn was his move away from what he refers to as "personality" politics. He doesn't promote the nonsense insults and one-off jokes that recent Tory leaders use during PMQs all the time.
Cameron and May hurled abuse at him at every turn and kept trying to rip apart his credibility. But he stayed true to his values and didn't retaliate, and I think it was admired greatly. I feel like this tone needs to be adopted more during debates (particularly for debaters on the left) to demonstrate we can rise above the insults that the opposition makes.
ac1dP1nk I never mentioned Iraq in my comment, I imagine we agree that the war was illegal, unnecessary and the aftermath was just a mess.
Remember we are on the same page here politically (we share the same square on the compass). I want to see Prime minister Corbyn come the next election, and I'm not even making a criticism on him specifically. I'm trying to offer my two cents on where I think left can improve further and gain the little more support we need to enter government. Simply willing to debate the issues maturely and be able to listen and address the concerns of those very close to joining the ship will go a long way towards achieving this. Not saying that the majority don't do this, but occasionally interviews like this demonstrate somewhat what I'm saying and I think it can make our cause come across more childish than it really is.
Campbell is a brilliant strategic thinker and is peerless in his knowledge of conducting campaigns. I also think that Campbell is far less machiavellian than he's made out to be.
Never heard a whisper from the right wing loons when Blair were in charge and Campbell was our Machiavelli. They did a hell of a lot of good for this country,
Look at us now. We're fucked. They gave the DUP a billion and we still can't build a lead over them!
The right rule and we're about to plunged into more hysterical illogical right wing ideological nonsense.
i'd have him back in a flash.
hear hear
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Can't take Owen Jones seriously, think he let him self down with teenage quips
Owen Jones has I feel a fixed personality , he's never grown up . He's still an immature student , yet he s mid to late 30s ! That is a worrying thing .
SUPERB interview. Both came across really well and seemed to have a great chemistry despite their differences. A fascinating watch.
“Both came across really well” were you watching something else to the rest of us. Owen comes across as a child despite being in his 30s. It’s a disgrace he is paid as a journalist and calls himself one.
In hindsight, it seems history has validated Campbell and all Jones points about new Labour going in the bin have been undercut
Alastair Campbell is right in much of what he said. I worked with asylum seekers from Kurdistan, many of them fled for their lives from the Iraqi regime. Saddam Hussein was gassing Kurdish villages and Marsh Arabs. The Kurdish I spoke with at the time were in full support for the war. The mistake was made by George Bush senior in not taking out the regime in 1990. The second mistake was the lack of planning for the future after the regime was toppled.
The problem is does one intervene like in Syria or let these regimes kill their citizens and simply turn a blind eye and follow a pacifist role like Corbyn would do.
Owen, in general I love what you are about. But this interview should be lesson for you in the future. As emotional as you may feel towards a particular person or subject, try to always remain professional and objective.
Peace
I don't love what he's about, and he's always emotional and never remains professional and objective. Lol
Im Labour, I like Starmer, I can not stand Owen Jones. Even though Campbell voted libdem in the EU elections, I find it horrible how owen treats Campbell in this interview.
Loved this interview, great dynamic. Very telling on where the differences in Labour lay currently. I think Alistair was spot on for most of this.
Owen Jones represents everything that is wrong with the Labour party these days.
OJ is so simple-minded. Say what you like about Campbell but he's in a different class.
Thanks, Campbell is a war criminal and mass murderer, he's in the same class as Blair, Bush and Putin.
Cut to one and a half years later and Campbell was absolutely right about Brexit. Owen Jones was completely off the mark, and has indeed got too carried away with Corbyn :(
I love Owen preaching about how Corbyn was gonna transform Labour's fortune. I have a tip for everyone, if there are 59 numbers in the lottery, ask Owen to pick 52. Based on every video I have ever seen, he will get every single number wrong and boom, you're a winner.
This was embarrassing to watch. Owen you're a journalist not Alan Partridge. Arrive on time or at least apologise if you're late! Plus it's always a good idea not to insult the person you're interviewing or interrupt them every 30 seconds. Utter shambles of a man.
Yeah this guy is just looking for any excuse to rip into Owen. Doesn't matter how well Owen does or doesn't do at an interview. Just wants his imaginary bonus points.
You played yourself, that was obviously staged (and hilarious!)
Haha dry your eyes.
You realise that opening bit was a send up of a scene from The Thick Of It right? Right???
Owen has no clue what people think about him. How would he know? Any criticism, however mild, any disagreement with him on social media & he blocks people. There is certainly someone in this interviews with Machiavellian traits
Seemed really unprofessional with all the backhanded questions and being late. Why did you give him such a hard time when all your interviews with right wingers like Peter Hitchens are such gigglefests?
George Aird Go watch thier first interview. It's just their dynamic
He's doing this for his left wing fan base. This guy is a weak journalist at best - nothing worth admiring. Believe's his own hype and ego.
Disagree, I think him & Campbell have that sort of rapport, they know they don't agree on much but there's a respect there I think.
Tho I do agree that he's a weak journalist
30 seconds in and I never want to hear of Owen Jones ever again.
I respect Alistair campbell more from this interview than I did previously, and Jones less so.
I liked the interview. I found both interesting and intelligent.
I've always been keen on Mr Campbell, no need to demonise him. Be grownups!
This is a pretty good interview - more thanks to Alastair Campbell's intellect and character than Owen Jones's incessant interruptions. I dislike much of what Campbell did and how but he gives a mature account of himself and (I shudder to say this) should have been given more respect by Owen Jones.
As a boy, he was delighted with the Blair government when it was elected. How people love to rewrite their own history...
One of the best interviews I've seen you do. Asked a lot of the questions that I've wanted to know the answer too, in contrast to the last interview with Al. Good work.
Some of this has aged poorly for Owen.
Alistair Cambell proved right over the majority of this debate but still was a fabulous session. Owen would be great on "The Rest is Politics"
Alistair, I've voted Labour all my life. I voted for Tony, I voted for Gordon, I voted for Corbyn. I'm a HUGE Corbyn fan. I was overjoyed when someone on the left (not hard left, let's be sensible) took control of the party. Jeremy is a man who genuinely cares.
I think Tony fucked up, but I still look fondly on the TB-GB years. Labour did many great things and I always take pains to point this out when people are trashing Blair.
Just mentioning that, because we do exist.
Alastair Campbell is still Blair's spokesman and so there's lots of important questions that need asking of him, and in this interview they were asked. Good stuff.
55:45 is why Campbell got to where he did and Owen is a journalist
Owen you interrupt quite a bit don't you? I know it's your job to get down to the point and to keep on track for time but sometimes I really do jst want to hear what they have to say, and it comes across a bit rude!
There is a reason for that. Have you seen Alistair Campbell interviewing Owen for GQ.
Jameela was too many sly digs came across as childish from Jones.
Owen Jones is an open socialist radical activist not a journalist.
He's also a fucking tosser
Good interview. I like Alastair. Smart man, he makes a lot of valid points that are simply ignored.
Part II, the first one for GQ was brilliant. I really like how you interact with each other.
Sebastian Aleksandriytzin Which one is most detested by the Serfs ??
Watching OJ squirm to justify his faux pas during the ‘less vs fewer’ segment was superb 😂
Is Owen Jones being rude or full of ADHD? I wish I could have watched the interview however, I findMr Jones pretty rude.
He has ADHD, i think maybe he is a bit flustered from being so catastrophically late but idk :/
I’ve seen some bad interviewers, talking over and answering their own question, being defensive and ranting, but wow Owen. This sucked.
this duo is marvellous!!
I think what’s slightly dishonest from Owen Jones is how on some issues (tax, public spending, nationalisation etc) he wants to stick to principles and ideology yet on Brexit he doesn’t, and is happy for Corbyn to fudge. I quite like Owen Jones, I think he’s got an interesting perspective but I think he falls too easily into the factional debates of the left, choosing to defend Corbyn rather than maintaining a consistent approach to how a labour leader should act.
This is an extremely captivating interview.
Amazingly Owen Jones comes across as by far the bigger tosspot in this encounter.
It's sort of analogous to a Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah match in that regard.
Not that amazing. It's generally the case. Lol
@@wilverbal always thought King Ghidorah was a massive tosspot.
Alastair Campbell is spot on what he says I think he Is brilliant
A lot of whinging about the tone of the debate in this comments section, but I would describe the tone as "cut-and-thrust". These are clearly two people who know each other and are well-acquainted, and are being open and candid about their views and arguments.
Largesse1000 In what way do you believe they are deluded and self-serving? And do you believe that doesn't apply to centrist politicians (Alastair Campbell is a centrist by the way) and right-wing politicians?
@@rp1455 Because people like then both, who have never been at the bottom of the damn pecking order of this country, Owen is a self confessed middle class lad, what gives him the right to speak for the working class whom he has no idea about the lives of, he went onto Oxford didn't study journalism yet works for the independent and guardian, whilst many working class background journalist can't get a job for these papers. His parents are very well nit into the labour party and have been for some time, so it's fair to say simply Owen too is part of the political elite he apparently hates so much. Add to that the little idiot claims that ALL journalist are entitled, private educated elites, yet wont apologise to journalist from working class backgrounds who are obviously not part of an elite as most simply work in their local areas for those newspapers, he did the thing he so outright hates stereotyping and clumping a mass of people into category. I can not for life of me no matter how i try like or agree with anything that comes out of his entitled mouth. How about he hands in his p45 at the guardian and let them take on a working class background journalist? He can go get a job in the thing he got his degree, apparently no matter what he does as a middle class lad, he wont fail and will always to better than the working class. Says it all really that he believes that yet he has a better job that working class lads and ladies who have had to work much harder to get to university and get a job, but some employees like the guardian only take those from the best universities like Oxford, the exact reason why Owen got the journalist jobs he has. Total hypocrisy is just unreal. He's entitled pure and simple, so much so he doesn't feel he has to apologise for being late, entitled little middle class, Oxford graduates don't have to apologise to anyone, friend, foe or otherwise.
The fact Owen wont listen to anything Tony Blair has to say shows the problem with the narrow minded ideological thinking in the left and why politics is becoming more polarized. Owen also came across very rude and arrogant during this interview.
Owen has gone full Corbynista.
NaiiFluur maybe, but Owen has always been very anti Blair.
TOM Bows and Alli stair is pro blair, and blair killed many and still tries to sway democracy in this country
what a pity....
And that is a great thing!
The trouble is not that he supports Corbyn, but that it feels as though he isn't ever going to criticise him, for example about his failures on Europe.
I really enjoyed watching that. Could see there was a love-to-hate vibe coming from both of them
I like Alastair a lot, he takes no BS, likes punctuality and is always to the point. Never been a fan of Owen, always thought he thinks he is a lot better at what he does than he actually he is
its entertaining to see such furious journalism played out so calmly
Wow let me go for a beer with Campbell rather than Jones any day
An interview to remember. Excellent work.
This was an interesting interview, I thought Campbell came across well till about 35 minutes in when he starts copping out and getting selective in terms of memory. He spends half the interview talking up Blairs legacy and when it comes to the real hard questions he clams up, because what else can he do, it's indefensible.
Exactly what I was going to say. Fair play to Owen - whose behaviour at points is borderline petulant - lands the serious blows in the latter half of the interview.
Tom Williams ..... guess your a fan of Saddam Hussan, Bin Ladden & Gaddafi.
Guess you're a fan of ISIS Pavan? And er, Blair's government didn't go after Gaddafi, he actually helped legitimize his rule.
Tom Williams I don't understand why this interview is happening..
It seems to be an attempt to position Corbin as the best Labour leader since the 1950s... I was hoping for more information on labour strategy when it was in power rather than about Corbin ... Is he weak at present because of ghosts of Blair past ... what's going on?
I'm not sure I quite follow what you're getting at Shub. Owen clearly thinks Corbyn is a good leader but I'm pretty sure Campbell is vehemently opposed to his being leader. He probably respects him a bit more because of the election result and cos he thinks Corb has a chance of taking the tories out of office but I'm sure if he ever became PM Campbell would work against him.
Tony Blair was one of the most successful PMs ever, you can insult him put him down as much as u want but you won't take that off him. I'd vote for him now as corbynov won't get in and I won't vote for Conservatives
One day Owen is going to tire of his constant moral grandstanding and become a proper, grown up journalist
I'm not sure that he is..
We’re in 2022, and he hasn’t.
Owen we need a part 2
AC was spot on this interview. History shows Owen in a really bad light. Especially his awful conduct and disrespect to AC despite his gvt giving him the best upbringing he could’ve wished for
Thing is Corbyn’s good for raising awareness about injustice, but he’s incapable of acting on it.
Why can nobody see that Owen's so called "aggression" is purely tongue-in-cheek. Obviously he and Campbell are from two separate sides of Labour, but on a human level its clear that Owen and Campbell get along. Campbell speaks very well here by the way. Can see why Blair needed him during his formative years as party leader/PM. The guys intense.
WOW. I'm surprised Owen posted this. Campbell destroyed him, The Venezuela comment was perfect
Owen's uselessness is matched only by his careerism and lack of self-awareness.
yes lets its entirely relevant to compare the uk to a south american country
yes and its entirely relevant to compare being late to a misunderstood and morally justified war in the middle east
@@ollie2665 Wasnt morally justified, wasnt justified in any way.
that Irag comment like 20 seconds in was a bit cringe tbh
Was relatively funny come on
Absolutely fascinating interview. This was extremely well done Owen, two sides of the same party can make a gripping discussion since certain fundamentals are agreed upon. I'm 19 and firmly on the McDonnell and Corbyn side of the Labour party but I feel like I've learned a lot from this.
The look that Campbell gives him at the beginning after Jones says, "...in we go."
This man sent the ‘Dogy Dossier’ 13 page document saying Iraq had WMD’s. He went and sent this to all news outlets which led to the UK joining the US in the Iraq war resulting in 1 Million deaths.
One of the things I find fascinating about politicians is their ability to have clear conviction in things that haven't happened. I was a civil servant under New Labour. I left because of the constant threat of redundancy due to swathes of staff cuts. I had to move jobs multiple times and it became stressful. And yet in Campbell's mind there was big investment in the public sector and an expansion of it. I warned people that these reductions would be a problem, and that was ignored. Now we have a DWP that is only there to provide benefits and benefit sanctions, much of which are online only.
Furthermore, the investment that did happen in schools and the NHS are now millstones around the necks of both. The payments on the PFI have been ruinous, leaving those hospitals and schools ripe to be privatised because they're failing. Oh, and let's not start on those privatised schools.
He comes across like my MP, quite disarming, but his answer to questions is, "look, it's complicated" before not really answering them.
I stuck this out despite being quite put off by your behaviour at the start! Very interesting interview, glad you were able to come to a more civilised conclusion.
I'm not a Campbell fan whatsoever but he does make me laugh
He is 'funny', as war criminals and mass murderers go.
I think I love Alastair Campbell.