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I REALLY enjoy your videos! You are very transparent and that is the primary reason I like watching your videos. The other thing I like is you are like my high school shop teacher! I have learned so much from your videos. I am getting as much knowledge as I can BEFORE I tear into a boat project I inherited that is presently sitting in the driveway. Thanks for sharing all your hard work and the knowledge you have accumulated in the process of fixing/repairing and updating your boat projects. I hope your mom is doing better.
Jumpin Jehosaphat, you poor soul, you've got my prayers now, such a challenge, this thing called life, hang in there, pretty boat, I saw you pulling it home, glad you know what your doing
Man ur awesome I just got a 85 bayliner and my wife and I are going to tare it down and build it back up u gave me the courage to do it and I'm sorry to here about ur mom I had AML it's cancer of the blood when I was 4 so that would have been 1994 but ur videos are very inspiring thank you
I used your idea on the drain but I used a 1/2 pvc drilling small holes to allow water to enter and bottom side of pvc I drilled and screwed in 2 brass nipples attached small tubing for drain it worked perfectly I would’ve never even thought about this if I had not seen you video also I cut the old style dock styrofoam to put in each void very happy with the finished work
Great video, brings back memories when I built a boat (Glen-L Thunderbolt with Merc V8) 20 years ago. I think the big problem with these commercial boats rotting out is the false floor. My boat was open, the seats and stuff was mounted directly to the stringers and the floor was actually the bottom of the boat. I know this wouldn't fly on a commercial boat but that false bottom prevents things from drying out causing or greatly speeding up rot. And of course without a false bottom it's much easier to monitor and repair. Gotta be honest I think a rebuild like this is probably just as much work as building from scratch. 10 gallons of resin seems like a LOT. Cheers
hi watched all of your videos and have found very valuable information about replacing a boat deck ! I have a 17 foot wilson flyer which was rotten when me and my dad bought it , sadly I lost my dad 3 years ago but now it is time to get it done ! when I'm not sure about anything I just check one of your videos out ! many thanks and regards
Very nice. I restored a 30 ft Chaparral Villain with twins. took me 4 years, had to do the same thing. New transom, stringers etc. I spent a lot of time with the guys at west systems epoxies for the job. Know what you went through brother. nice job.
I foamed my boat and used a long length of 5/8s heater hose WELL greased to form a drainage channel. You just have to be able to pull it out somewhere once the foam sets. It worked pretty well!
My Prayers to Your Mom. May God Bless and give her strength to fight this. Amen.Prayers to her Husband and Family. I know its hard part of life to deal with. God Bless Amen.
You did a great job in this series. Thanks so much for sharing. I just started my boat project and you have given me some great ideas on how to do it right!
You're a better man than me (and yes I know I'm responding to a post from 8 years ago). I'd take it to the Marina and tell them to fix it right and call me when it's done. Everything I try to fix turns into an ashtray.
You can put resin on bottom side (haul) and on vertical (stringer) and just glue fiberglass strip. Kinda making a fiberglass hammock. The middle part of fiberglass must be free of resin. It will be like a "fiberglass filter". When you put foam later foam will be stopped by fiberglass mesh. The corner will be empty and if water ever gets in foam it will drain through fiberglass and after to weeping hole. You can create a "web" from this "hammocks". Also fiberglass will not rot like cardboard.
Hope she get better soon . I miss my folks big time . Sorry that all happen to you man . Boat I hope guy help you on cost . I just bought sea ray boat I hope its fine 1997 . Walk round on floor more . I thought all fiberglass . You know what you doing .
Amazing JOB YOUR DOING ON THE REPAIR, last video I saw was you were finding wet foam guess when you took it apart the whole dam thing needed repair, Your learning a lot about fiberglass repair. Do you want to make the gas tank accessible? You probably know this already but I ,learned the hard way about not having a fuel/ water separator installed in my fuel line. Without that you can suck any crap right into the engine!
As far as your cardboard tube Idea in theory it's a good Idea,but paper rots! How about PVC pipe with holes wraped in a black membrane material covered in Expandi foam to prevent sanding water in the sub floor ?
I bought a 1979 Sea Ray, I probably will have to do the same repair, but I choose to enjoy the boat for what it is and not get so depressed about it. You choose to tackle this expensive project on top of what you spent on the boat. I only buy off of ebay which has buyer protection. I only spent $1800 for the boat and plan on making it a $10,000 classic boat when its done. Sorry for your bad luck but "Buyer Beware"....did you have the boat inspected? ... Its 2018 hope you Mom is in a good place wherever she is now. Blessings.
So I see this is done and has been done for some time but a better method for those drains would be a PVC pipe layed in there with holes in it. No way the foam would expand that much to fill the tube. Face the holes down and water will push into it if it gets any significant amount in it to drain as you’re going for. Otherwise I’m not sure I’d use the expanding foam in a boat since it’ll hold water against its edge and basically shove it against your fiberglass covered plywood.
Im fairly certain I would have quietly found that dude that sold you that boat , and classed him into the hull . ! What a jerk ! Who does that to people ? I once bought a boat from a guy , I still have it .the guy took me out on the lake it ran fine ,it's a 1957 magicglass vixon .. it was all original and all the trim bells and whistles were intact ..it was a beautiful little all original survivor ..I was pretty thrilled ..I paid the man , and told him I would be back to get it on the weekend ..wen I returned the boat was completely stripped to tell bare hull , no chrome ,no engine no seats no trailer it was just laying on the ground , and the guy and his family were gone ..an empty house and yard other than my now pathetic antique boat hull 😤 it took 10 years to locate all of the original components to put it back together , while I was spending every spare moment putting my boat together I found out there were only a handful of them registered in the United states.. so it's a rare little boat ..the manufacturer went out of business after 6 years .. but I impathize with you , I hope your project works out for you mine was definitely a love project and not one for making money for sure.
Mate first of all sorry to hear about your mother. I’m not a family member so I really don’t need to know your mother’s personal problems I do sympathies with her but that’s not why I started to follow this thread. I have a couple of generations of boat builders in my family and have never heard of using flour but if that’s your choice you’re keeping it interesting as for marine grade sealants sika is a very reputable company that has sales reps that can talk you thru just about any application. You said about containers my brother uses plastic ice cream containers you can buy them in bulk and there inexpensive. From the pictures you’re posting it looks like you are doing a good job and have all the gear a good 3m dust mask is a must for fibre glass work,and some white zip up hooded throwaway coveralls stops skin irritations, so head Dow look forward to hearing more about your boat saga.
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Polyester is brittle, epoxy is flexible. Broken hulls are normal for us raceboaters. Epoxy resin is the only way to repair fiberglass on boats or Corvettes. Tons of experience doing both taught me to use epoxy, period. Work it down before it totally cures while still soft, or else!
It's Probably to late but the way I did it is after I put the deck on I drilled 3" holes over each cel put the boat bow down all the way sitting on the tongue and poured the foam through the holes and let it climb up and out the the holes I drilled work perfect
did we ever Find Out; How the boat got saturated? Did it sink? Left out exposed in rain? would it be reasonable to just float it in the lake for a while to see if she is Taking on Water?
Maybe this is a really stupid thought, since I have never done this before.... but... how would it work to use 1/4 in pvc pipe with multiple holes drilled in it and run it parallel to the stringers down to the drain holes (rather than cardboard tubes or balloons). Would that work or would it only be allowing a backflow of water into the other compartments and foam?
Say my name ls les and I bought a 4 winns last year and I was told that it doesn't leak but I found out that it does leak water at the transom and it is bad so that being said the person that I bought the boat from won't stand my it I paid 6000 for this 93 inbord has 5.0 corba out drive so going to try to fix it myself so we're should I start let me know thanks and l love your videos I appreciate them
I found that PL glue and polyester resin don't like each other. The PL will stay liquid and uncured when exposed to the resin. Best to not use PL at all in a fiberglass project.
@@FriscoBoatersGarage Somehow I watched all those videos and missed that. But I didn't have a time schedule to wait that long anyway. I made do with various peanut butter mixes instead. Between cabosil, q-cells, and milled glass fibers, I got it all done. 17' Sunbird with black mush decks. Now stronger than when new. After having a Sea Ray before this one, it was real obvious to see the quality Sea Ray puts in their boats compared to some of the brands OMC took over before they all came crashing down.
Ok, I know i'm slow. But how in the heck can water get down in there if you fiberglass and gel the deck? Do you have to leave the channels for water drainage if the deck is sealed tight to keep water out? How does water get in there? Please explain. I just re-decked and foamed my bonito and did NOT leave those channels! Have I royally screwed it up?
Adding flour to resin is creating a biodegradable compound with an unknown point of degradation. Thats what is done to the plastic in grocery sacks which biodegrade in the environment. Plus the wheat grains have no strength and will tend to reduce the expected strength of the epoxy resin.
When I clicked on your first related video, I quickly became annoyed with the seemingly repetitive speech. However, I continued watching by advancing here and there, then onto part 2 video. I found this more interesting as the video went-a-long. So, I started watching the videos related to this "unwanted" project. You know, sometimes, when one gets screwed in their good intentions and trust (yea, talking about the seller, Karma is a Bitch, weasel seller), and after you get over the hurt, anger, humiliation, and you take a "i"m not going to be defeated", and turning this around, with a "Can Do" attitude, well, you definitely took a good and encouraging pro-active stance. I appreciate this. Really liked the explanations, and ideas. Hope your Mother gets better. Rock on, and enjoy your boating!!! BTW, I found the videos informative, much so that I liked & subscribed as well. Keep it up.
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Don't be disheartened. You are doing a great job on that deck. Hope your mum gets well soon.
I REALLY enjoy your videos! You are very transparent and that is the primary reason I like watching your videos. The other thing I like is you are like my high school shop teacher! I have learned so much from your videos. I am getting as much knowledge as I can BEFORE I tear into a boat project I inherited that is presently sitting in the driveway. Thanks for sharing all your hard work and the knowledge you have accumulated in the process of fixing/repairing and updating your boat projects. I hope your mom is doing better.
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Jumpin Jehosaphat, you poor soul, you've got my prayers now, such a challenge, this thing called life, hang in there, pretty boat, I saw you pulling it home, glad you know what your doing
Man ur awesome I just got a 85 bayliner and my wife and I are going to tare it down and build it back up u gave me the courage to do it and I'm sorry to here about ur mom I had AML it's cancer of the blood when I was 4 so that would have been 1994 but ur videos are very inspiring thank you
I wish your mom a fast recovery. My father is going through a health crisis also this week.
best wishes on your moms health, prayers are with her hope she can get better.
My prayers go's out to your mom and rest of your family !
I hope all is good with your sister today. Man, you have some hard time, but God tests us in the craziest ways. I'll pray for You and your family...
I used your idea on the drain but I used a 1/2 pvc drilling small holes to allow water to enter and bottom side of pvc I drilled and screwed in 2 brass nipples attached small tubing for drain it worked perfectly I would’ve never even thought about this if I had not seen you video also I cut the old style dock styrofoam to put in each void very happy with the finished work
Great video, brings back memories when I built a boat (Glen-L Thunderbolt with Merc V8) 20 years ago. I think the big problem with these commercial boats rotting out is the false floor. My boat was open, the seats and stuff was mounted directly to the stringers and the floor was actually the bottom of the boat. I know this wouldn't fly on a commercial boat but that false bottom prevents things from drying out causing or greatly speeding up rot. And of course without a false bottom it's much easier to monitor and repair. Gotta be honest I think a rebuild like this is probably just as much work as building from scratch. 10 gallons of resin seems like a LOT.
Cheers
hi watched all of your videos and have found very valuable information about replacing a boat deck ! I have a 17 foot wilson flyer which was rotten when me and my dad bought it , sadly I lost my dad 3 years ago but now it is time to get it done ! when I'm not sure about anything I just check one of your videos out ! many thanks and regards
Good luck to your mom. Hopes and Prayers and best wishes.
Very nice. I restored a 30 ft Chaparral Villain with twins. took me 4 years, had to do the same thing. New transom, stringers etc. I spent a lot of time with the guys at west systems epoxies for the job. Know what you went through brother. nice job.
I foamed my boat and used a long length of 5/8s heater hose WELL greased to form a drainage channel. You just have to be able to pull it out somewhere once the foam sets. It worked pretty well!
Great info and video. will start this process on my 97 Celeberty 190 this winter. Im hoping it goes as smooth as your did.
My Prayers to Your Mom. May God Bless and give her strength to fight this. Amen.Prayers to her Husband and Family. I know its hard part of life to deal with. God Bless Amen.
You did a great job in this series. Thanks so much for sharing. I just started my boat project and you have given me some great ideas on how to do it right!
Our prayers are with you big fella
God bless her may all get better
You're a better man than me (and yes I know I'm responding to a post from 8 years ago). I'd take it to the Marina and tell them to fix it right and call me when it's done. Everything I try to fix turns into an ashtray.
Hello fellow Frisco neighbor!! I just found your channel today 8/4/19 and am eagerly watching to see how it turned out.
you're now putting your out drive on, but man I really need to get to bed, but I can quit watching...lol
My word, you have done a ton of work on that boat.
Looks like you're doing a great job.
Good stuff & Prayers to your mom ...
+cbrown4440 Thank you
You can put resin on bottom side (haul) and on vertical (stringer) and just glue fiberglass strip. Kinda making a fiberglass hammock. The middle part of fiberglass must be free of resin. It will be like a "fiberglass filter". When you put foam later foam will be stopped by fiberglass mesh. The corner will be empty and if water ever gets in foam it will drain through fiberglass and after to weeping hole. You can create a "web" from this "hammocks". Also fiberglass will not rot like cardboard.
Really sorry about your mom bud, I've only watched one of your videos, but still will pray for her
Great job! I am redoing the floor in my Sea-ray and I chose to use 3/8 polyethylene sheets. my floor will NEVER rot again!
Way to go with preventative maintenance :)
"everybody just shut up" Haha I love that!
Some nice work going on there. At least the Boat will now be worth top Dollar at resale.
I pray that all is well for your mum and rest of your family even though this message come well after.
God Bless you all 🙏🙏🙏
I really need to roll back through your vids and catch up. This is good stuff.
Hope she get better soon . I miss my folks big time . Sorry that all happen to you man . Boat I hope guy help you on cost . I just bought sea ray boat I hope its fine 1997 . Walk round on floor more . I thought all fiberglass . You know what you doing .
God love ya man, and of course your Mom. Lost mine so I know what you’re going through. Religious or not, pray A lot. I wish you all good luck.
I'm praying for your mom. Also sending out emails to my prayer group.
This is a long time ago, but thanks for sharing. I feel with you m8!
Prayers for your mom
wow that is so good of a job. you could do that you could fix anything.great job
Thoughts and prayers for your mom
Good Job!!
Sorry to hear about your mother, good video
My prayers brother.
Sorry to hear about your mom. Hoping that she get better. I know how it feel to loose a parent.
Amazing JOB YOUR DOING ON THE REPAIR, last video I saw was you were finding wet foam guess when you took it apart the whole dam thing needed repair, Your learning a lot about fiberglass repair. Do you want to make the gas tank accessible? You probably know this already but I ,learned the hard way about not having a fuel/ water separator installed in my fuel line. Without that you can suck any crap right into the engine!
Doesn't the cardboard just plug up your weep holes when it rots?
I feel for you buddy I sometimes feel like I'm the only one who gets screwed trust me that last guy knew it
As far as your cardboard tube Idea in theory it's a good Idea,but paper rots! How about
PVC pipe with holes wraped in a black membrane material covered in Expandi foam to prevent sanding water in the sub floor ?
WOW, LEGIT REPAIR!
I bought a 1979 Sea Ray, I probably will have to do the same repair, but I choose to enjoy the boat for what it is and not get so depressed about it. You choose to tackle this expensive project on top of what you spent on the boat. I only buy off of ebay which has buyer protection. I only spent $1800 for the boat and plan on making it a $10,000 classic boat when its done. Sorry for your bad luck but "Buyer Beware"....did you have the boat inspected? ... Its 2018 hope you Mom is in a good place wherever she is now. Blessings.
Nice work!!
I am so sorry about you're Mom.
So I see this is done and has been done for some time but a better method for those drains would be a PVC pipe layed in there with holes in it. No way the foam would expand that much to fill the tube. Face the holes down and water will push into it if it gets any significant amount in it to drain as you’re going for. Otherwise I’m not sure I’d use the expanding foam in a boat since it’ll hold water against its edge and basically shove it against your fiberglass covered plywood.
Im fairly certain I would have quietly found that dude that sold you that boat , and classed him into the hull . ! What a jerk ! Who does that to people ? I once bought a boat from a guy , I still have it .the guy took me out on the lake it ran fine ,it's a 1957 magicglass vixon .. it was all original and all the trim bells and whistles were intact ..it was a beautiful little all original survivor ..I was pretty thrilled ..I paid the man , and told him I would be back to get it on the weekend ..wen I returned the boat was completely stripped to tell bare hull , no chrome ,no engine no seats no trailer it was just laying on the ground , and the guy and his family were gone ..an empty house and yard other than my now pathetic antique boat hull 😤 it took 10 years to locate all of the original components to put it back together , while I was spending every spare moment putting my boat together I found out there were only a handful of them registered in the United states.. so it's a rare little boat ..the manufacturer went out of business after 6 years .. but I impathize with you , I hope your project works out for you mine was definitely a love project and not one for making money for sure.
Get some cardboard cylinders from the carpet store. Their in the center of the rolls of carpet. Their 10 to 12 feet long
You can use preferated pvc pipe with a solid pipe inside of it and remove it after foam dried.
Thanks for sharing.
were do I find the resin like what you got in the buckets
I lay tile for a living we use alot of red gaurd we use it in showers and hospital bathroom floors I thought about useing it myself on boats
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AMEN. GOD BLESS HER WITH GODS HEALING GRACE. FROM THE CROWN OF HER HEAD TO THE SOLES OF HER FEET.
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Damn brother when it rains it pours hang in there
But if that is all you have USE iT. Keep up the great work!!!!
Mate first of all sorry to hear about your mother. I’m not a family member so I really don’t need to know your mother’s personal problems I do sympathies with her but that’s not why I started to follow this thread. I have a couple of generations of boat builders in my family and have never heard of using flour but if that’s your choice you’re keeping it interesting as for marine grade sealants sika is a very reputable company that has sales reps that can talk you thru just about any application. You said about containers my brother uses plastic ice cream containers you can buy them in bulk and there inexpensive. From the pictures you’re posting it looks like you are doing a good job and have all the gear a good 3m dust mask is a must for fibre glass work,and some white zip up hooded throwaway coveralls stops skin irritations, so head Dow look forward to hearing more about your boat saga.
Polyester is brittle, epoxy is flexible. Broken hulls are normal for us raceboaters. Epoxy resin is the only way to repair fiberglass on boats or Corvettes. Tons of experience doing both taught me to use epoxy, period. Work it down before it totally cures while still soft, or else!
I wonder if instead of the cardboard tube to use the pink foam cut at an angle and glued in like you did the bulk head later.
Prayers for u mom sir love your videos did the seller have any comment on condition on boat
sorry about your mom. i like watching your videos.
Thank you.
Should use PVC and fiberglass it in place. It can get wet.
It's Probably to late but the way I did it is after I put the deck on I drilled 3" holes over each cel put the boat bow down all the way sitting on the tongue and poured the foam through the holes and let it climb up and out the the holes I drilled work perfect
@uin211
Thanks man, and yes to both of those questions. I have another polaris vid coming up.
did we ever Find Out; How the boat got saturated?
Did it sink?
Left out exposed in rain?
would it be reasonable to just float it in the lake for a while to see if she is Taking on Water?
Do you have to put the foam back in the boat? First time restoring a boat.
Maybe this is a really stupid thought, since I have never done this before.... but... how would it work to use 1/4 in pvc pipe with multiple holes drilled in it and run it parallel to the stringers down to the drain holes (rather than cardboard tubes or balloons). Would that work or would it only be allowing a backflow of water into the other compartments and foam?
Say my name ls les and I bought a 4 winns last year and I was told that it doesn't leak but I found out that it does leak water at the transom and it is bad so that being said the person that I bought the boat from won't stand my it I paid 6000 for this 93 inbord has 5.0 corba out drive so going to try to fix it myself so we're should I start let me know thanks and l love your videos I appreciate them
Would PVC work for your tubes ? makes for capping or threaded end parts or whatever you want
I found that PL glue and polyester resin don't like each other. The PL will stay liquid and uncured when exposed to the resin. Best to not use PL at all in a fiberglass project.
You have to let the PL glue totally cure for 7 days. I mentioned this in several videos.
@@FriscoBoatersGarage Somehow I watched all those videos and missed that. But I didn't have a time schedule to wait that long anyway. I made do with various peanut butter mixes instead. Between cabosil, q-cells, and milled glass fibers, I got it all done. 17' Sunbird with black mush decks. Now stronger than when new. After having a Sea Ray before this one, it was real obvious to see the quality Sea Ray puts in their boats compared to some of the brands OMC took over before they all came crashing down.
Why not use a PVC pipe for your weep holes ...card board could turn into mush .
instead of flour you can use saw dust. Also you don't need to put that much in the transition area
awesome! you live in Frisco? I'm in garland. doing the same thing
@persuaderboats Thanks. I have a block that has all the pictures and videos of the build in order. Just check out my latest video, as it has the link.
Ok, I know i'm slow. But how in the heck can water get down in there if you fiberglass and gel the deck? Do you have to leave the channels for water drainage if the deck is sealed tight to keep water out? How does water get in there? Please explain. I just re-decked and foamed my bonito and did NOT leave those channels! Have I royally screwed it up?
I think your a GREAT Guy ... "and ta watch this really PAINS me". My God: "Talk about to much reality" !
@FriscoJarretts Hope your Mum gets better, I haven had web access for three weeks. You´ve been busy!
cheers Will.
You could use 1inch pvc,it will never rot.
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Adding flour to resin is creating a biodegradable compound with an unknown point of degradation. Thats what is done to the plastic in grocery sacks which biodegrade in the environment. Plus the wheat grains have no strength and will tend to reduce the expected strength of the epoxy resin.
bee bop All it is used for is to thicken the resin not for strength. The fibers are for strength. Not sure where you got this information.
Hooe all is well! Quick question, where did you purchase your fiberglass for the stringers?
Try diatomaceous earth !! Cheep and works as high density compound
Interesting
Could use pvc pipe and cut it in half instead of card board
Use wrapping paper tubes.
When I clicked on your first related video, I quickly became annoyed with the seemingly repetitive speech. However, I continued watching by advancing here and there, then onto part 2 video. I found this more interesting as the video went-a-long. So, I started watching the videos related to this "unwanted" project. You know, sometimes, when one gets screwed in their good intentions and trust (yea, talking about the seller, Karma is a Bitch, weasel seller), and after you get over the hurt, anger, humiliation, and you take a "i"m not going to be defeated", and turning this around, with a "Can Do" attitude, well, you definitely took a good and encouraging pro-active stance. I appreciate this. Really liked the explanations, and ideas. Hope your Mother gets better. Rock on, and enjoy your boating!!!
BTW, I found the videos informative, much so that I liked & subscribed as well. Keep it up.
cut fiberglass cloth on a 45 degree bias. it will then conform to what ever you put it over.
36 inch masking paper has long tubes kinda strong
Why don't you use 1 1/2 drainage PVC perforated ?? Light weight and can be cut to full length as needed
Sealed compartments work well too. The problem is from the factory they were not sealed.
Yes sir. I have a video some whereon the channel on how I made it.
go to my main channel page and you will find a link to my website that has the whole build in order.
Why do they use wood in boats? why not some trex type stuff or plastic wood.
Do you put the fumed silica with the cabosil and the chopped strand for the PB?
been there...keep your day to day issues separate. Regret is something we need to avoid.
you could have used talcum powder instead of flour.
use pvc pipe... wont crush, or deteriorate... "french drain" it.