YangYang 你好， I noticed you are having a hard time to decide for either the controllable Hurrican or the dynamic Tenergy. Since I went through the same question I've found an unexpected solution: DHS actually knows they miss something like Tenergy and for solving the problem with the high tension spring sponges, they co-operated with German ESN which is a top supplier for lots of brands. The result is the relatively new Goldarc 8 (金弓8, 2017 release) which actually has much more control than Tenergy, similar spin to T05 and more end speed (try 50°). The Goldarc seems slow in passive play and accelerates quite a lot when you play active. ..a little heavy though. It is grippy but not sticky, not Chinese style and made in Germany with impeccable quality!!! This really ended my search and who knows... just my two cents! Your channel is great! Go on and greetings from Berlin as well!
I tried both, you obviously didn't. Goldarc 8 is pretty different to the MXP, also heavier. You may also refer to the revspin.com comments. Why so aggressive? This is an experience report you can take or not. From the product line strategy it is a needed line completing product apart from the Hurricane style. Looking for an ODM/OEM is not an unusual move.
Hi Carlos, mau I know how long have you play with the DHS gold Arc 8 ? One question, is it really grippy to lift the ball just like a tacky hurricane ? I am concern since its not tacky on the surface
Hello Anton, the GoldArc 8 is very grippy, but not tacky like the Hurricane series. For me it was resolving my concerns about playing the T05. The spin is very similar, but it is more forgiving when receiving spin. It has a lot of gears, so it feels almost slow when pushing with high control, but then gets really fast when playing active. My blade is very fast (Jun Mizutani Super ZLC), but this way I can enjoy the power without loosing control. With T05 I felt too bouncy for the passive and push game. Now I'm playing both sides Goldarc 8, 50°, max since four month.
@@kevinfang6005GoldARC8 is certainly a ESN Tensor, but prove that MXP is one.. ^_^ (Tibhar is quite coy about it, and it's more like a Japanese sheet, at least in terms of dimensions - it's about 1cm longer than all the Tensors I've measured.)
Great video. What do you think is the best kind of bat for hurricane rubber? Can you get more power with carbon? (if so which bats?) I found it didn't have enough dwell time and the lack of spin meant balls went long! What do you think?
Wonderful explanations. 1prices 2thickness 3functions , a.speed ,b.spin, c.control Your stroke movement looks professional when playing counterhit with the woman. Thanks for your sharing. KEEP IT UP.💪🏻
Blade: Stiga Allround Classic FH Rubber: DHS Hurricane 8 BH Rubber: Butterfly Tenergy 05 I know no one asked but I would like to give my opinion on equipment. I always prefer using a flexible blade with a harder rubber because of dwell time and kick effect, although I have only been playing for a year and a bit so I am still developing strokes but as I get on I know I have to move on to a faster blade such as Stiga Infinity Diamond VPS then work my way up to something more like a Butterfly Viscaria. I like using hard tacky Chinese rubber on the forehand as you can hit harder with the forehand than you can with the backhand. With more output power Chinese rubber (with booster) is actually faster than tensor or high tension rubbers, although that is more suited towards high-level players. Chinese rubber does still have its perks for low-level players as due to the longer dwell time you can learn full strokes. For backhand rubber, the stroke is shorter and less powerful so that is why I opt for high tension/ tensor rubbers as they are fast with a low output. This is the setup the Chinese men's players use. Although, when you are starting out you should use something a bit slower such as the Friendship RITC 2000 tack speed. The thing with Tensor/ High tension rubbers is that there is a limit to how fast a ball can be hit but with Chinese rubber, there is not. Although, Tensor/ High tension rubbers are faster with less power. Starting out I used a 5 ply unbranded blade that came with my table tennis table (it seemed to be an all-round blade). I used a DHS Hurricane 3 on my forehand and a Friendship RITC 2000 tack speed on my backhand. After 6 months of training every day for about 4 hrs, the rubbers were completely worn out and my blade was starting to break. I then bought a Stiga All-round Classic blade and I wanted to try the Hurricane 8, also I had the Yinhe Big Dipper on my backhand (a tensor and high tension rubber although still tacky, it's a very good rubber and I recommend it). My friend owed me a favor and he gave me the bat of one of his friends and it was: Butterfly Timo Boll ALC, Butterfly Tenergy 05, and a TIbhar Evolution FX-P. I then put the Butterfly Tenergy 05 on my bat and put the Yinhe Big Dipper on the other bat. And I can definitely say that Butterfly Tenergy 05 is a very good rubber, but to buy it new is expensive. Soon I am going to put a sheet of DHS Hurricane 3 Neo on my bat. Good review, it helped a lot of people.
Am sorry you may be right tenergy 05 gives you speed and spin easier but Hurricane 3 is very good but need physical strength also in Fh shot make your spin depending on your legs you will find out that hurricane 3 has a whole new level of speed
H3 neo commercial too slow for modern player. You need to use prov or national blue sponge. I can say that no internet site have a real h3. Prott, ttnpp, terrapong also sell fake h3 rubber. I spend about 14 year in order to find a real rubber and I find it.
thats exactly the point. When you spectate pros with hurricane 3 they go down deep and explode with power out of the leggs. She only moved her arm and her hipp a bit so I think she isn't correct with saying that its not fast. For playing good with this kind of rubbers you need verry good trained leggs and not good arms like for esn rubbers.
I use neo Hurricane 3 nation level for my forehand,it's a really good rubber for me.Not only it's a high tension rubber,but also it's easier to control than Tenergy 05
I've only once tried H3 Nat blue and red and was shocked because of difference compared to H3 commercial that I had been used before. I thought to myself, these are not Hurricane. The sponge is soooo bouncy. But to me it is to fast and I stuck with H3 commercial and switched later to H8 mid.
hey yangyang, nice review and thanks for taking the effort to differentiate. by the way, 729 friendship released a whole lot of rubbers such as bloom series, presto, focus3 series and german made Derwind rubbers under friendship brand. Can you look into reviewing any of these sheets and give your opinion.
Thanks for the review BUT If you had more control with Hurricane 3 why did you choose to switch back to Tenergy 05 why speed over control Didn't control helped you place more balls in the table?
I believe rubbers alone can not be assessed!they are in a close relation to the blade(a match paired indeed)!!Tenergy 05 maybe very good with Mizutani blade but not so good with Timo boll ZLC!!so talking about rubbers you need to clarify the blade at the same time!That is we have to talk about proper matches indeed!which matches are better for which styles or types of players!
In my opinion (conventional inverted) rubbers are actually more alike than they are different. There are differences, of course, but they're actually quite hard to tell from one to another, even if you mount them on opposite sides of the same blade. You sometimes have to stop and think about what the differences are when you're hitting with them, since these differences are so subtle. So rubber choice is overblown - most rubbers will work, and there are broad categories of rubber (e.g. Tensors with soft sponge) that can be easily interchanged with each other with no discernable differences (buy the cheapest one and you'll be just as well off as if you bought the most expensive one). Brett Clarke on OOAK Forum made a comment once - apparently, to professionals, there's only three types of rubber. Tenergy, German (Tensors) and Chinese - each of these has its own characteristics and flaws, and pros will choose one of these three depending on what they want (most choose Tenergy, if you've noticed). To us enthusiasts, of course, it's a lot more complicated, but that's because we want it to be, not because it really matters all that much. (Unless you're talking about long or short pips, or anti, of course..)
Thank you very much for the review. It really helped me. I am always watching your videos. I am using Tenergy 05 as my forehand and tibhar MXP-evolution in my backhand before then I switched. Tenergy 05 became my backhand. I find it better in this set up. My question is, Is Tenergy 05 good for backhand? Is it worth it to change tibhar MX-P evolution to dignic 05 because I just watched your review regarding dignic 05 and its good for offensive player.
I have been following your videos for over 18 months, and I like to congratulate you on the improvement in content and presentation since I started watching and learning from your videos. Many thanks indeed. In the above video, I note that you said that after the LA Open you have returned to Hurricanne 3 from Tenergy 05, and then you changed to Tenergy 05FX. Were you saying that you were experimenting with 05FX as the forehand rubber? I am very interested in what has been your experience with 05FX, be it in forehand or backhand? With the new larger and heavier balls, I thought that 05FX is longer an attractive rubber to advanced players like you. may be I am wrong. I am physically weaker than you, and I am considering to use 05FX 2.1mm on both sides on my Timo Boll alc racket, and my backup racket Mizutani zlc. I currently am using 05 1.9mm on both sides of the rackets. Hence I am very keen to know your experience with 05 FX.
Very nice review ... but can you tell me which rubber is more easily to produce RPB .. now i using Tenergy 80 but the truth is , i fell difficult with it .. can you recommend me which rubber suitable with RPB .. Thank You ..
Hi Yangyang. Thanks for the review. Can you explain please the difference in the techniques or strokes when using tacky rubber (H3) and nontacky rubber (T05)?
Yeah... Good point... All the time it is said that hurricane series need more power and if you use the proper momentum, motion, techniques, etc. You can get the best of those chinese rubbers... With mxp or tenergy 0.5 we don't have to use that... Not that much... It could be interesting to see that 👍
Dear Yangyang ! The other problem with T05 is the high throw balls . In the era of the plastic balls you can win easier the point with straight flat hits without high throw angle . Because plastic balls bounce HIGHER !!! The new style : the kamikaze style..... sprung from japanese women player. T05 has a very high throw angel but not the Hurrican 3. This is one more reason to take up with the idea of playing T05 or H3 and choosing the Hurrican 3 ! Several japanese top players have already made the switch to Hurrican 3 ! (Ishikawa Kasumi /Hina Hayata /Ito Mima etc.)
Ishikawa's used Hurricane for years (she was coached in China) but I'm not too sure about Hina-chan and Mima-chan... Have to go check. By the way, lots of Japanese players - including the men - have been using the hit-off-the-bounce style for a while, it's just now that Ito-san and Hirano-san (and Harimoto-san) have been having really good success with it.
Just checked.. tabletennis.guide/equipment.php?gender=2 Ishikawa-san now plays with FastArc G1 and T64. Ito-san uses FastArc G1 and Moristo SP. Hayata-san does use H3.
No idea how accurate or up to date this info is, Send me a SCREENSHOT about the table tennis racket while the pros playing a match . This is the best evidence to say which rubber is on the blade because the rubber logo can not be faked . Not the blade logo which CAN BE FAKED VERY EASY ! You can snap a good photo at serving or at the one minute intervalls between the games . If you take a break, you must leave your racket on the table during the break and you mustn't remove it without the specific agreement of the umpire. Of course the best results comes if the match in 1080p60f format and the cameraman do a lot of near snapshots about the the bat . THE RUBBERS THEY PLAYED BY THE PROPLAYERS are contracted between the players and tt-firms . /Butterfly..Nittaku ...Tibhar Joola .....etc./ These are not always the rubbers they are actually played in a match. I can take information from tabletennis-reference.com/player or tabletennis.guide/equipment too . But this information is the " contracted informaton between player & tt-firm "
Recently picked up table tennis again after stopping for 18 years. I got a noname allround blade and yasaka marv V gps 2mm on both sides in order to boost my learning curve and am pretty satisfied: it's been less than 3 months and I will probably be at my previous level in about 3 more months. And now I'm considering changing rubbers, maybe standard mark V or rakza, any experience with those? :-)
I use a viscaria with 2.2mm rozena on both sides, I want to change my forehand to either a donic baracuda or a dawei 388a-4, im an offensive european player, what do you suggest?
A good review. I think the Hurricane III is perfect for relative beginners and very average club players like myself who use spin and looping play to try and win points, rather than raw power. More advanced players, as you say, will want more pace and they will be able to cope with the reduced control because - well, they're better players! Personally I compensate for the lack of pace in the rubber by adding plenty of side-spin to my top-spin's, and taking the ball low to create loops. That causes opponents problems at the level I play, but it wouldn't be so effective as you go up the levels, because better players read the ball that much better and you'd probably need a bit more pace and bite to catch them out.
I was able to find a pre-made racket with Tenergy 05 on both side. The blade is Hadraw. I am not sure if that blade is any good, but it says made in Japan on it, so I bought it. Oh by the way, how about Yasaka Mark V? I used to have a Yasaka when I was a kid, but I don't remember if that was Mark V... It was in the '90s...
I use gergely 21 st blade (tamca 5000 3 +2 carbon). Andro Rasanter R 47 on FH it gives me good spin and speed is also considerable. however not as fast as MXP so that I can use my strength to hit through the ball as and when required without loss of control. On the backhand it use freindship 802 -40 Short pimple hard sponge rubber which allows me to make a 2nd ball attack wh3bever the opponent is serving.
I'm a very defensive player and use long pips. I use the pimple park cluster long pip rubber. For my backside rubber I use the andro gtt 40 since it has more control and is very good at blocking powerful loops. But it also has good attacking capabilities.
I use BlueStorm Z1 (2.3 sponge size) on my forehand and Mantra M (2.1) for my backhand. I really like the way Bluestorm Z1 works on my forehand. Looping is fun with it! It has a low angle which is good for blocking as well. Mantra M is very versatile for me. The M stands for medium sponge. Easy to loop with the backhand, great power, and control.
Yeah, Z1 is a great rubber especially for the speed & power. There is plenty of spin also but unlike the T-05 in the way that the sponge can let the ball to dig-in. It is not as sensitive as the T-05. In terms of speed, it is faster than T-05 but the looping arc is more linear.
I got Neo Hurricane 3 for both sides with a Stiga Carbon intensity classic. But I believe it was a mistake. My style is so offensive on forehand. I can't afford a Tenergy 05 and I just want to find a good alternative for that. Any Suggestion? By the way, I already found Stiga Boost TX as a good choice by considering the price and speed. Any comment?
Imma give xiom sigma 2 pro a shout. I reckon i can get more spin with it than tenergys, but it lacks a bit in speed compared to t05, but still very fast
@@hanifbahari6606 nah sorry i havent tried the mantra series but i really want to. I can tell you that i personally prefer the xsp 2 over thd tibhar mx series, yasaka raksa. Dhs hurricane 3 series and donic acuda and baracuda. These are all the rubbers ive tried
Dear Yangyang, thank you so much for this review. I'd like to know you opinion on H3 commercial. Is it that bad compared to H3 Prov.?Would it be an option for you to use the simple H3 com. ? I'm currently using H3 commercial and H8 mid and I do really love H3's super sticky and dead feeling :)
hyee yangyang.. your training partner use cpen right? can i know what blade and rubber that she used? hope you can help me.. i really want to know because im using cpen too..
I still use the cheap racket and everyone says I have to upgrade but after seeing what all is involved in attaching the rubber, etc... I’m ok to flounder in mediocrity. Any suggestions for a decent off the shelf racket?
@@yangyangTTSo you currently play with T05? What I've heard is that all the top players who use H3 boost, it's not usable at the top levels unboosted. Don't know if that is true or not.
Played H3 for 3 yrs, recently changed to T80. T80 gives much more speed and spin. However after two month the speed and spin starts to wear off. Probably need to re-glue the rubber or boost it.
You need to use h3 national orange or blue sponge. If you use h3 none neo commercial version fo course it is bad rubber for d40+ ball. You need really power blade such as dhs long 5 for h3
using falco tempo boost in hurricane 3 will make it much easier, and consistent to use. not everyone can maintain the athletic endurance to consistently use the H3. use booster for the lazy days.
Thanks for the video youngjia, do I you mean that the H3 has more control and spin and T05 is more quickly spin...??? I am sorry but I don't catch that. Greeting from Berlin Jannis
WwwKalaDendraGr I think she means that T05 will easier generate spin with a lower racket speed, but at a high racket speed, hurricane 3 will be able to produce more spin! Also T05 is bouncier and faster.
Sorry, my bad pronunciation doesn't make it clear. T05 has great speed and could generate spin easily. Well, H3 generates has more control and generates more spin. Hope this could help you.
I think for FH it's a really good choice especially if you're not into boosting. I've been using H8 mid on FH and think it's better then H3 Commercial, even if the latter one is boosted. But H8 hard is too hard to me and not sticky enough.
Tenergy 05 is very good for players who are intermediate players and its very important to have good technique to play with hurricane 3. I used hurricane 3 on my fh and tenergy 05fx on my bh and its very good for pushing, loop against backspin and it has super good spin and control.
isn't this province/national etc. is just commercial trick? I tried to find dhs hurricane 3 province at the official website but wasn't able to, can you pls link it
Your videos are very education and i like it. I am an intermediate player and i play with butterfly ALL + carbon blade with bluestorm rubbers.Can you please suggest me an alternative carbon blade as i plan to have my second racket. Thank you Ahmed canada
FH H3neo BH Yinhe Big Dipper 38degrees. Blade Yinhe 7W Pro. Great looping blade. You have to have Chinese style FH loop/drive for this setup. I used to use Donic Bluefire M3, Xiom Vega Euro, Andro Rasanter R47. But gave up all those rubbers since the plastic ball. The way i brush, lift and do BH flicks the plasric ball doesn't bite. So I changed to Yinhe big dipper. Great tacky topsheet and the plastic ball never slips off the topsheet on extreme brush, lift and flick strokes and the sponge is lively enough and soft enough (38deg chinese scale) for my BH which would be equivalant to a hard sponge euro/jap sponge.
Same kind of equipment right here, but DHS H3Neo comercial on FH + T64-Fx on BH, blade: Stiga Infinity VPS V; but Tenergy is too bouncy, I want to change it
Is it possible to buy t05 at a lower price in USA?In mainland China, most merchants sell it at around 400RMB(60USD). And is there any online shop where I can buy neo hurricane 3 professional version?
Haha. I am sure you can be better than me one day Tenergy you could go on Butterfly.com, Hurricane, I am not sure where has the official place that you could buy except China. Be careful there are lots of fake one out there. >_
@@yangyangTT You can find all the DHS series at tabletennis.com . I use DHS skyline and I am very satisfied with the spin and control that they offer!!
Been using Tenergy 05 for over a year but have tried Skyline TG 2 Neo on FH for a few weeks now. Enjoying some of the advantages and what it's helping me to improve activating my footwork etc more, but eventually I see myself going back to Tenergy 05 (Or Dignics 09c!?) soon :)
Afrilian Saeful Fajri you can see so many people now use the tenergy fx for the backhand, normally 05fx. Pro: very good rubber, control. Cons: very expensive
when you say that hurricane 3 ɡenerates more spin... is it because you feel it like that or because you have tried it with some instrumentsʔ Sorry for askinɡ this... it is just because I think that tenerɡy 05 has much more spin than the hurricane. That is what I feel when a try them.
It because that hurricane 3 is sticky on the surface.And you can make a higher arc of the ball when you loop with hurricanes 3, which indicates a higher spin.
Please I need your help everybody. I've been playing 3 years ago with a pre-made Stiga Bats. So I decided it is time to upgrade my bat to a semi-´pro bat which I can made myself by buying all parts separated. So got a Joola Racket.with a rubber Nittaku Fastarc C-1(red) and a Tibhar Super Defense 40. (black) According to this kind of rubbers and that is my first decent racket I need your frank opinion and the way I can take advantage to develope my best tt play. Where is better to use the fast side and the defense side, I mean backhand or forehand Tkanks a lot
I wish to use Hurricane long 5 blade and DHS NEO Hurricane 3 FH and YAZAKA Rakza 7 BH. currently I am using jooa Rossi emotion blade tibhar mxp evolution FH TIBHAR Aurus BH. I I want to improve my game can you guide me please.
Suman raj mmmmm... yasaka rakza 7 and tibhar evolution mx p or mx s are the best choices after tenerɡy 05. DSH rubbers are different and aren't ɡood as I thouɡht. I'm not sure if chinese team uses this brand with special disiɡn or somethonɡ like that. I mean they can use a better quality product especially done for them.
Mostafa Hany sure you can make the switch but only use it on your forehand side if you like to block with your backhand you can use dhs but if you use your backhand as a weapon your better off sticking with esn rubbers (high tension europian rubbers)
You are doing the best training vlogs for table tennis!! Great Job!! I am an avid fan of your channel!!! You are the BEST!!!
I use Tenergy 05 for both my forehand and my backhand. I absolutely love it! I stuck with it and tamed it!
Definitely A Winning Combo
ChessArmyCommander tamed tenergy 05
YangYang 你好，
I noticed you are having a hard time to decide for either the controllable Hurrican or the dynamic Tenergy. Since I went through the same question I've found an unexpected solution: DHS actually knows they miss something like Tenergy and for solving the problem with the high tension spring sponges, they co-operated with German ESN which is a top supplier for lots of brands. The result is the relatively new Goldarc 8 (金弓8, 2017 release) which actually has much more control than Tenergy, similar spin to T05 and more end speed (try 50°). The Goldarc seems slow in passive play and accelerates quite a lot when you play active. ..a little heavy though. It is grippy but not sticky, not Chinese style and made in Germany with impeccable quality!!!
This really ended my search and who knows... just my two cents!
Your channel is great! Go on and greetings from Berlin as well!
Bullshit, Goldarc 8 is just another ESN rubber like MXP. She would have used ESN if she liked it by now. Goldarc is not a "special" DHS rubber
I tried both, you obviously didn't. Goldarc 8 is pretty different to the MXP, also heavier. You may also refer to the revspin.com comments. Why so aggressive? This is an experience report you can take or not. From the product line strategy it is a needed line completing product apart from the Hurricane style. Looking for an ODM/OEM is not an unusual move.
Hi Carlos, mau I know how long have you play with the DHS gold Arc 8 ? One question, is it really grippy to lift the ball just like a tacky hurricane ? I am concern since its not tacky on the surface
Hello Anton, the GoldArc 8 is very grippy, but not tacky like the Hurricane series. For me it was resolving my concerns about playing the T05. The spin is very similar, but it is more forgiving when receiving spin. It has a lot of gears, so it feels almost slow when pushing with high control, but then gets really fast when playing active.
My blade is very fast (Jun Mizutani Super ZLC), but this way I can enjoy the power without loosing control. With T05 I felt too bouncy for the passive and push game.
Now I'm playing both sides Goldarc 8, 50°, max since four month.
@@kevinfang6005GoldARC8 is certainly a ESN Tensor, but prove that MXP is one.. ^_^ (Tibhar is quite coy about it, and it's more like a Japanese sheet, at least in terms of dimensions - it's about 1cm longer than all the Tensors I've measured.)
Very nice review for these rubbers, Thanks so much.
Great video. What do you think is the best kind of bat for hurricane rubber? Can you get more power with carbon? (if so which bats?) I found it didn't have enough dwell time and the lack of spin meant balls went long! What do you think?
Wonderful explanations.
1prices
2thickness
3functions , a.speed ,b.spin, c.control
Your stroke movement looks professional when playing counterhit with the woman.
Thanks for your sharing. KEEP IT UP.💪🏻
I use Yinhe Big Dipper in both blackhand and FH, because it is sticky but tensor, so I love them... what do you think?
hey yang yang! great vid!, just wondering if you boost the hurricane 3?
I'm using Victas Limber now. Will try Hurricane. I enjoy watching you and your tips. Btw, are you now an American citizen?
Very helpful, Yang! Were you original playing in the Zhejiang team?
Blade: Stiga Allround Classic FH Rubber: DHS Hurricane 8 BH Rubber: Butterfly Tenergy 05
I know no one asked but I would like to give my opinion on equipment. I always prefer using a flexible blade with a harder rubber because of dwell time and kick effect, although I have only been playing for a year and a bit so I am still developing strokes but as I get on I know I have to move on to a faster blade such as Stiga Infinity Diamond VPS then work my way up to something more like a Butterfly Viscaria. I like using hard tacky Chinese rubber on the forehand as you can hit harder with the forehand than you can with the backhand. With more output power Chinese rubber (with booster) is actually faster than tensor or high tension rubbers, although that is more suited towards high-level players. Chinese rubber does still have its perks for low-level players as due to the longer dwell time you can learn full strokes. For backhand rubber, the stroke is shorter and less powerful so that is why I opt for high tension/ tensor rubbers as they are fast with a low output. This is the setup the Chinese men's players use. Although, when you are starting out you should use something a bit slower such as the Friendship RITC 2000 tack speed. The thing with Tensor/ High tension rubbers is that there is a limit to how fast a ball can be hit but with Chinese rubber, there is not. Although, Tensor/ High tension rubbers are faster with less power. Starting out I used a 5 ply unbranded blade that came with my table tennis table (it seemed to be an all-round blade). I used a DHS Hurricane 3 on my forehand and a Friendship RITC 2000 tack speed on my backhand. After 6 months of training every day for about 4 hrs, the rubbers were completely worn out and my blade was starting to break. I then bought a Stiga All-round Classic blade and I wanted to try the Hurricane 8, also I had the Yinhe Big Dipper on my backhand (a tensor and high tension rubber although still tacky, it's a very good rubber and I recommend it). My friend owed me a favor and he gave me the bat of one of his friends and it was: Butterfly Timo Boll ALC, Butterfly Tenergy 05, and a TIbhar Evolution FX-P. I then put the Butterfly Tenergy 05 on my bat and put the Yinhe Big Dipper on the other bat. And I can definitely say that Butterfly Tenergy 05 is a very good rubber, but to buy it new is expensive. Soon I am going to put a sheet of DHS Hurricane 3 Neo on my bat.
Good review, it helped a lot of people.
Am sorry you may be right tenergy 05 gives you speed and spin easier but Hurricane 3 is very good but need physical strength also in Fh shot make your spin depending on your legs you will find out that hurricane 3 has a whole new level of speed
H3 neo commercial too slow for modern player. You need to use prov or national blue sponge. I can say that no internet site have a real h3. Prott, ttnpp, terrapong also sell fake h3 rubber. I spend about 14 year in order to find a real rubber and I find it.
thats exactly the point. When you spectate pros with hurricane 3 they go down deep and explode with power out of the leggs. She only moved her arm and her hipp a bit so I think she isn't correct with saying that its not fast. For playing good with this kind of rubbers you need verry good trained leggs and not good arms like for esn rubbers.
@@Играемвнастольныйтеннис and how about tabletennis11? They sell original DHS H3 blue sponge?
@@davehess1982 All blue sponge from internet market is a fake. Tt11 also have fake blue sponge.
@@Играемвнастольныйтеннисtabletennis11 is fully legitimate.
I use neo Hurricane 3 nation level for my forehand,it's a really good rubber for me.Not only it's a high tension rubber,but also it's easier to control than Tenergy 05
Where did you buy the nation level rubber?
WH Ye You can get on OOAK. They are the official supplier for DHS in Australia so you know it’s a legitimate product. They ship internationally
I've only once tried H3 Nat blue and red and was shocked because of difference compared to H3 commercial that I had been used before. I thought to myself, these are not Hurricane. The sponge is soooo bouncy. But to me it is to fast and I stuck with H3 commercial and switched later to H8 mid.
@@mitchellcole7062 oh okay thanks.
I use hurricane 8 on both sides now, but I just bought goldarc 5 for my backhand, will be trying it out next week when it arrives.
goldarc is very slow rubber .
@@mayankchaturvedi5950 yeah, I tried it and didn't like the feeling, so I switched to tenergy 80, like it a lot.
@@mayankchaturvedi5950 GoldArc 5 is slow, GoldArc 8 is pretty fast.
What do you think of Hurricane 8 on backhand and Hurricane 8 HARD on forehand?
hey yangyang, nice review and thanks for taking the effort to differentiate.
by the way, 729 friendship released a whole lot of rubbers such as bloom series, presto, focus3 series and german made Derwind rubbers under friendship brand. Can you look into reviewing any of these sheets and give your opinion.
Thanks for the review BUT
If you had more control with Hurricane 3 why did you choose to switch back to Tenergy 05 why speed over control
Didn't control helped you place more balls in the table?
She's an advanced player. Advanced players already have enough control, but they need more speed to win points.
I believe rubbers alone can not be assessed!they are in a close relation to the blade(a match paired indeed)!!Tenergy 05 maybe very good with Mizutani blade but not so good with Timo boll ZLC!!so talking about rubbers you need to clarify the blade at the same time!That is we have to talk about proper matches indeed!which matches are better for which styles or types of players!
In my opinion (conventional inverted) rubbers are actually more alike than they are different. There are differences, of course, but they're actually quite hard to tell from one to another, even if you mount them on opposite sides of the same blade. You sometimes have to stop and think about what the differences are when you're hitting with them, since these differences are so subtle. So rubber choice is overblown - most rubbers will work, and there are broad categories of rubber (e.g. Tensors with soft sponge) that can be easily interchanged with each other with no discernable differences (buy the cheapest one and you'll be just as well off as if you bought the most expensive one). Brett Clarke on OOAK Forum made a comment once - apparently, to professionals, there's only three types of rubber. Tenergy, German (Tensors) and Chinese - each of these has its own characteristics and flaws, and pros will choose one of these three depending on what they want (most choose Tenergy, if you've noticed). To us enthusiasts, of course, it's a lot more complicated, but that's because we want it to be, not because it really matters all that much. (Unless you're talking about long or short pips, or anti, of course..)
Thank you very much for the review. It really helped me. I am always watching your videos. I am using Tenergy 05 as my forehand and tibhar MXP-evolution in my backhand before then I switched. Tenergy 05 became my backhand. I find it better in this set up. My question is, Is Tenergy 05 good for backhand? Is it worth it to change tibhar MX-P evolution to dignic 05 because I just watched your review regarding dignic 05 and its good for offensive player.
Are you rich? Those all are expensive rubbers
Hi! Did You try tenergy 05 Hard? maybe that will be the best for you..
I have been following your videos for over 18 months, and I like to congratulate you on the improvement in content and presentation since I started watching and learning from your videos. Many thanks indeed.
In the above video, I note that you said that after the LA Open you have returned to Hurricanne 3 from Tenergy 05, and then you changed to Tenergy 05FX. Were you saying that you were experimenting with 05FX as the forehand rubber? I am very interested in what has been your experience with 05FX, be it in forehand or backhand? With the new larger and heavier balls, I thought that 05FX is longer an attractive rubber to advanced players like you. may be I am wrong.
I am physically weaker than you, and I am considering to use 05FX 2.1mm on both sides on my Timo Boll alc racket, and my backup racket Mizutani zlc. I currently am using 05 1.9mm on both sides of the rackets.
Hence I am very keen to know your experience with 05 FX.
Hello Ma'am can you please tell me what is the difference between Ma Long 5 and Ma Long 5X? Can you please make a video...
I love product reviews
Very nice review ... but can you tell me which rubber is more easily to produce RPB .. now i using Tenergy 80 but the truth is , i fell difficult with it .. can you recommend me which rubber suitable with RPB .. Thank You ..
Stiga 190 Boost TX Max Both Sides 😎 I'm Very Happy I Train 10/15 Hrs Week .
I Just Got A 290 ST Putting DNA PRO H 2 . 1 Both Sides 😎
Is your hurricane boosted here? It looks pretty fast even compared to tenergy.
Hi Yangyang. Thanks for the review. Can you explain please the difference in the techniques or strokes when using tacky rubber (H3) and nontacky rubber (T05)?
Yeah... Good point... All the time it is said that hurricane series need more power and if you use the proper momentum, motion, techniques, etc. You can get the best of those chinese rubbers... With mxp or tenergy 0.5 we don't have to use that... Not that much...
It could be interesting to see that 👍
Dear Yangyang !
The other problem with T05 is the high throw balls . In the era of the plastic balls
you can win easier the point with straight flat hits without high throw angle .
Because plastic balls bounce HIGHER !!!
The new style : the kamikaze style..... sprung from japanese women player.
T05 has a very high throw angel but not the Hurrican 3.
This is one more reason to take up with the idea of playing T05 or H3
and choosing the Hurrican 3 !
Several japanese top players have already made the switch to Hurrican 3 !
(Ishikawa Kasumi /Hina Hayata /Ito Mima etc.)
Ishikawa's used Hurricane for years (she was coached in China) but I'm not too sure about Hina-chan and Mima-chan... Have to go check. By the way, lots of Japanese players - including the men - have been using the hit-off-the-bounce style for a while, it's just now that Ito-san and Hirano-san (and Harimoto-san) have been having really good success with it.
Just checked.. tabletennis.guide/equipment.php?gender=2 Ishikawa-san now plays with FastArc G1 and T64. Ito-san uses FastArc G1 and Moristo SP. Hayata-san does use H3.
No idea how accurate or up to date this info is, Send me a SCREENSHOT about the table tennis racket while
the pros playing a match . This is the best evidence to say which rubber is on the blade because the
rubber logo can not be faked . Not the blade logo which CAN BE FAKED VERY EASY !
You can snap a good photo at serving or at the one minute intervalls between the games .
If you take a break, you must leave your racket on the table during the break and you mustn't remove it without the specific agreement of the umpire. Of course the best results comes if the match in 1080p60f format and the cameraman
do a lot of near snapshots about the the bat .
THE RUBBERS THEY PLAYED BY THE PROPLAYERS are contracted between the players and tt-firms .
/Butterfly..Nittaku ...Tibhar Joola .....etc./ These are not always the rubbers they are actually played in a match.
I can take information from tabletennis-reference.com/player or tabletennis.guide/equipment too .
But this information is the " contracted informaton between player & tt-firm "
Recently picked up table tennis again after stopping for 18 years.
I got a noname allround blade and yasaka marv V gps 2mm on both sides in order to boost my learning curve and am pretty satisfied: it's been less than 3 months and I will probably be at my previous level in about 3 more months.
And now I'm considering changing rubbers, maybe standard mark V or rakza, any experience with those? :-)
What do you think about the new tenergy 05 hard? How is it in comparison with these rubbers
I use a viscaria with 2.2mm rozena on both sides, I want to change my forehand to either a donic baracuda or a dawei 388a-4, im an offensive european player, what do you suggest?
A good review. I think the Hurricane III is perfect for relative beginners and very average club players like myself who use spin and looping play to try and win points, rather than raw power. More advanced players, as you say, will want more pace and they will be able to cope with the reduced control because - well, they're better players! Personally I compensate for the lack of pace in the rubber by adding plenty of side-spin to my top-spin's, and taking the ball low to create loops. That causes opponents problems at the level I play, but it wouldn't be so effective as you go up the levels, because better players read the ball that much better and you'd probably need a bit more pace and bite to catch them out.
I was able to find a pre-made racket with Tenergy 05 on both side. The blade is Hadraw. I am not sure if that blade is any good, but it says made in Japan on it, so I bought it. Oh by the way, how about Yasaka Mark V? I used to have a Yasaka when I was a kid, but I don't remember if that was Mark V... It was in the '90s...
I use gergely 21 st blade (tamca 5000 3 +2 carbon). Andro Rasanter R 47 on FH it gives me good spin and speed is also considerable. however not as fast as MXP so that I can use my strength to hit through the ball as and when required without loss of control. On the backhand it use freindship 802 -40 Short pimple hard sponge rubber which allows me to make a 2nd ball attack wh3bever the opponent is serving.
yangyang do you ever play thursday night league in san diego?
I'm a very defensive player and use long pips. I use the pimple park cluster long pip rubber. For my backside rubber I use the andro gtt 40 since it has more control and is very good at blocking powerful loops. But it also has good attacking capabilities.
How good is the life of both the rubbers?
I use BlueStorm Z1 (2.3 sponge size) on my forehand and Mantra M (2.1) for my backhand. I really like the way Bluestorm Z1 works on my forehand. Looping is fun with it! It has a low angle which is good for blocking as well. Mantra M is very versatile for me. The M stands for medium sponge. Easy to loop with the backhand, great power, and control.
That's great. Good to know. Thanks for sharing
Hi Mike D, may I know what is your blade ? I am thinking also to try Bluestrom, wonder if yours is the same type with my blade, mine is off+
@@antonyang7273 Thanks for the reply! I play with a Donic Persson World Champion 89 blade which I believe is OFF+ like yours.
Yeah, Z1 is a great rubber especially for the speed & power. There is plenty of spin also but unlike the T-05 in the way that the sponge can let the ball to dig-in. It is not as sensitive as the T-05. In terms of speed, it is faster than T-05 but the looping arc is more linear.
Can you make a review for the provincial neo blue sponge please, I love your videos!
I got Neo Hurricane 3 for both sides with a Stiga Carbon intensity classic. But I believe it was a mistake. My style is so offensive on forehand. I can't afford a Tenergy 05 and I just want to find a good alternative for that. Any Suggestion? By the way, I already found Stiga Boost TX as a good choice by considering the price and speed. Any comment?
Imma give xiom sigma 2 pro a shout. I reckon i can get more spin with it than tenergys, but it lacks a bit in speed compared to t05, but still very fast
C A Have you tried Stiga Mantra H? Which one is better? Xion sigma 2 pro or Mantra H?
@@hanifbahari6606 nah sorry i havent tried the mantra series but i really want to. I can tell you that i personally prefer the xsp 2 over thd tibhar mx series, yasaka raksa. Dhs hurricane 3 series and donic acuda and baracuda. These are all the rubbers ive tried
Dear Yangyang, thank you so much for this review. I'd like to know you opinion on H3 commercial. Is it that bad compared to H3 Prov.?Would it be an option for you to use the simple H3 com. ?
I'm currently using H3 commercial and H8 mid and I do really love H3's super sticky and dead feeling :)
hyee yangyang.. your training partner use cpen right? can i know what blade and rubber that she used? hope you can help me.. i really want to know because im using cpen too..
I still use the cheap racket and everyone says I have to upgrade but after seeing what all is involved in attaching the rubber, etc... I’m ok to flounder in mediocrity. Any suggestions for a decent off the shelf racket?
Do you accept sending of videos to your email for correction of stroke and technique?
Wow great video ! I just visited that ping pong club in El Monte , first time It’s far for me , but it was great to see it in the ur video ! Thanks
Did you boost your hurricane yangyang? If so, what boost do you use?
My friend helped me boost once, but I changed back to Tenergy 05
@@yangyangTT May I ask what made you switch back to tenergy 05?
Dun Goof i like the speed and power of Tenergy 05
@@yangyangTTSo you currently play with T05? What I've heard is that all the top players who use H3 boost, it's not usable at the top levels unboosted. Don't know if that is true or not.
Played H3 for 3 yrs, recently changed to T80. T80 gives much more speed and spin. However after two month the speed and spin starts to wear off. Probably need to re-glue the rubber or boost it.
You need to use h3 national orange or blue sponge. If you use h3 none neo commercial version fo course it is bad rubber for d40+ ball. You need really power blade such as dhs long 5 for h3
using falco tempo boost in hurricane 3 will make it much easier, and consistent to use. not everyone can maintain the athletic endurance to consistently use the H3. use booster for the lazy days.
Thanks for the video youngjia, do I you mean that the H3 has more control and spin and T05 is more quickly spin...??? I am sorry but I don't catch that.
Greeting from Berlin
Jannis
WwwKalaDendraGr I think she means that T05 will easier generate spin with a lower racket speed, but at a high racket speed, hurricane 3 will be able to produce more spin! Also T05 is bouncier and faster.
@@mega2codnoob Thanks for helping.
Sorry, my bad pronunciation doesn't make it clear.
T05 has great speed and could generate spin easily.
Well, H3 generates has more control and generates more spin.
Hope this could help you.
@@mega2codnoob thank you
@@yangyangTT yes, thank you
Im using for my forhand Dr. Neubauer Killer Pro Evo 2.0 and for my back hand Dr. Neubauer Tarantula 1.8 oh and my racket is Nittaku Rising 2 Flared.
Using both sides hurricane 8 , found at 23-25 dollars each have great value .. have u ever tried hurricane 8?
I think for FH it's a really good choice especially if you're not into boosting. I've been using H8 mid on FH and think it's better then H3 Commercial, even if the latter one is boosted. But H8 hard is too hard to me and not sticky enough.
Hurricane 3 smells bad. How long will it take to smell go away? Any tip for getting rid of this smell (other than throwing the rubber :P)?
I've had mine for a month and it still smells, so I don't think the smell goes away.
your review was great and I enjoyed it very much and learned from it also very much
Tenergy 05 is very good for players who are intermediate players and its very important to have good technique to play with hurricane 3. I used hurricane 3 on my fh and tenergy 05fx on my bh and its very good for pushing, loop against backspin and it has super good spin and control.
isn't this province/national etc. is just commercial trick? I tried to find dhs hurricane 3 province at the official website but wasn't able to, can you pls link it
Your videos are very education and i like it.
I am an intermediate player and i play with butterfly ALL + carbon blade with bluestorm rubbers.Can you please suggest me an alternative carbon blade as i plan to have my second racket.
Thank you
Ahmed canada
I use Dna on my forehand and pf4 on my backhand
FH H3neo BH Yinhe Big Dipper 38degrees. Blade Yinhe 7W Pro. Great looping blade. You have to have Chinese style FH loop/drive for this setup. I used to use Donic Bluefire M3, Xiom Vega Euro, Andro Rasanter R47. But gave up all those rubbers since the plastic ball. The way i brush, lift and do BH flicks the plasric ball doesn't bite. So I changed to Yinhe big dipper. Great tacky topsheet and the plastic ball never slips off the topsheet on extreme brush, lift and flick strokes and the sponge is lively enough and soft enough (38deg chinese scale) for my BH which would be equivalant to a hard sponge euro/jap sponge.
Same kind of equipment right here, but DHS H3Neo comercial on FH + T64-Fx on BH, blade: Stiga Infinity VPS V; but Tenergy is too bouncy, I want to change it
Is it possible to buy t05 at a lower price in USA?In mainland China, most merchants sell it at around 400RMB(60USD). And is there any online shop where I can buy neo hurricane 3 professional version?
What was your thickness of back and front ?
Hi, I want to know to restore the grip to the tenergy rubber. Thank you
You can't
I really love your channel! Maybe someday I can be as good as you! I have a question, can you tell me please where can I buy some of those rubbers?
Haha. I am sure you can be better than me one day
Tenergy you could go on Butterfly.com, Hurricane, I am not sure where has the official place that you could buy except China.
Be careful there are lots of fake one out there. >_
@@yangyangTT You can find all the DHS series at tabletennis.com . I use DHS skyline and I am very satisfied with the spin and control that they offer!!
@@yangyangTT www.prott.vip/Index.aspx im buyin from this one
What's the difference between blue sponge and orange sponge in Hurricane 3 province?
Been using Tenergy 05 for over a year but have tried Skyline TG 2 Neo on FH for a few weeks now. Enjoying some of the advantages and what it's helping me to improve activating my footwork etc more, but eventually I see myself going back to Tenergy 05 (Or Dignics 09c!?) soon :)
Tenegy 05 fx 1.9mm is the way to go for me on both sides
Very cool!
Did you ever try the Donic Z1 turbo or Tibhar MX-P ?
Dhs rubber sometimes produce "bubbles" and the glue between topsheet and sponge isnt good. Do you have same experience?
That's right. It happened to me couple times too.
They are in terrible quality. Especially the delamination of 3-50, 5 out 5.
never happened to me so far, though i'm using a provincial hurricane instead of a commercial one.
this happened to one of my friends rubber goldarc 8.
It stands a high chance that you have bought a counterfeit one.
Thank you for great review. Could you make a lesson on chop stroke.
Yes, I will consider to do that.
Thanks for you idea.
Wich blades you suggest?
Nice review, i am using yasaka sweden ek carbon/ fh ( rasanter 50) bh( rasanter 47)
Do you need to refill glue to hurrican 3 from time to time?
Have you tried hurricane 3 neo if so how does it compare to tenergy o5 and hurricane 3
Nice review.. More pls...
What's the best rubber for BH side.,?? I have a problem with H3Neo on BH side..
Please give some suggest..
Afrilian Saeful Fajri you can see so many people now use the tenergy fx for the backhand, normally 05fx. Pro: very good rubber, control. Cons: very expensive
Have you tried to boost tenergy and how did it worked if you did
when you say that hurricane 3 ɡenerates more spin... is it because you feel it like that or because you have tried it with some instrumentsʔ
Sorry for askinɡ this... it is just because I think that tenerɡy 05 has much more spin than the hurricane. That is what I feel when a try them.
It because that hurricane 3 is sticky on the surface.And you can make a higher arc of the ball when you loop with hurricanes 3, which indicates a higher spin.
Yang Yang you explained both the rubber in a very good manner. I like the way you teach. Pretty cool review. Very helpful for me.😃😁
Don't you think DHS"s Rubber Smell is Bad ?I think that Smell is so harmful.
But have u add booster on the hurricane
Hi coach, you should made this review longer in time... make serving and serve receive with those rubbers... anyway, thx for the video!
Im currently using hurricane 8 and its a bit slower than hurricane 3 but more spinny
try Hurrican Pro III from Nittaku, chinese top sheet with Japanese sponge
spicaofla Hi
is it blue sponge ?
@@vuhoang71 No, japanese orange sponge
Very, very....nice :)
I am using Blade Andro baseline and rubber on forehand is donic coppa jo gold and rubber on backhand is donic sonic jp gold.
You can recommend shop? I can not find real products
What's better, Tenergy 05 or Xiom Vll Europe?.
Tenergy 05 for sure
Please I need your help everybody.
I've been playing 3 years ago with a pre-made Stiga Bats. So I decided it is time to upgrade my bat to a semi-´pro bat which I can made myself by buying all parts separated.
So got a Joola Racket.with a rubber Nittaku Fastarc C-1(red) and a Tibhar Super Defense 40. (black)
According to this kind of rubbers and that is my first decent racket I need your frank opinion and the way I can take advantage to develope my best tt play.
Where is better to use the fast side and the defense side, I mean backhand or forehand
Tkanks a lot
Currently using Xiom Vega Asia Max on BH & FH on the Xiom Allround S blade
I use Pan Aasia Rubber but I`m going for yasaka Mark V what do you think??
I want to buy tenergy 64, what should I do?
Please provide a review on butterfly innerfiber layer alc.s blade
Calibra lt forehand, ktz pro xp backhand. Do you have any options for backhand rubbers.
All the recommendation has to go with your playing style..
what's your style?
Butterfly Tenergy 05
Please help me to purchase on line at best price.
.link. please.
Tenergy 05 hard you will reecommend for intermidiates?
no absolutly not, if you are intermidiates, purchase sriver or other equivalent instead
do you boost you H3?
I wish to use Hurricane long 5 blade and DHS NEO Hurricane 3 FH and YAZAKA Rakza 7 BH. currently I am using jooa Rossi emotion blade tibhar mxp evolution FH TIBHAR Aurus BH. I I want to improve my game can you guide me please.
Suman raj mmmmm... yasaka rakza 7 and tibhar evolution mx p or mx s are the best choices after tenerɡy 05. DSH rubbers are different and aren't ɡood as I thouɡht. I'm not sure if chinese team uses this brand with special disiɡn or somethonɡ like that. I mean they can use a better quality product especially done for them.
TKS yangyang tt
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Iam using tenergy 05 at both sides can i change to hurricane?
Mostafa Hany sure you can make the switch but only use it on your forehand side if you like to block with your backhand you can use dhs but if you use your backhand as a weapon your better off sticking with esn rubbers (high tension europian rubbers)