How to install a MK4 Jetta/Golf/GTi 1.8T Clutch and Rear Main Seal DIY Season 2
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- i also suggest using some of my older videos to help you remove the battery and upper accessories if you need the help
This is a full DIY on removing the transmission, clutch and rear main seal.
I highly suggest 2 jacks, a set of jack stands and a friend to do this because it involves heavy lifting.
I am sorry that some of the video is really dark, we did not have proper lighting while we were working on the car. more towards the end of the video there is very good lighting and you can see how most of it comes out.
Pinche, I owe you a beer man.
Just completed this exact job using this video... First time doing a clutch. I went for a new dmf instead of the single mass conversion, keeping it stock. Only really referred to the manual for torque specs. Old clutch was metal on metal, new clutch feels so good and shifting is great. Jetta '04 1.8t 5spd manual right hand drive.
When the man says pull the cups off the transmission... you pull the cups off the transmission.
Matthew Thompson that's great news man. Glad i was able to help. I will be remaking this video with better lighting and so extra mods too.
Thank you for this video bro. I just changed the clutch in my Mk4 GTI. And this video was a giant help. Let me tell you, it's not easy to do by ones self. But I did.
Hell yeah man!
I do these all the time by myself it gets easier over time.
Good work either way!
Honda guy going at a Wolfsburg tomorrow for my first time to make some corona money... wish me luck brother. You’re my only hope
Acura guy going at my own personal Wolfsburg soon. Hope you found success.
Taking the cup off the passenger's side (where the passenger's axle connects to the transmission) is a really good idea. Don't really have to worry about oil coming out, unless you put the transmission at a really extreme angle. Makes the transmission removal so much easier. Nice point!
I have an engine hoist, so lowered the transmission with that, the balance point is pretty close to the clutch slave cylinder bolt hole nearest to the firewall, so you can hook your chain there. I like that, since no way can the transmission fall off anything, since it is hanging!
what's the toque spec for it? and do I need a new seal?
Thanks so much al, this video was a big help tonight. Did my first ever trans job by myself! I didn't have to remove the axle cup, didn't hang up on the subframe. I did however remove the bracket for the Trans mount which gave me more room to slide the Trans away from the engine before lowering and completely clear the subframe. Thing practically fell right out
Been a few months now since I followed your tutorials Swapped out my clutch, replaced my rear main seal, thanks to your help my rear main seal went on with no issue, no leaks in sight since I’ve done it. Remember folks, apply that dumb PTFE rear main dry, slip it on nice and careful, the people online saying it’s rocket science must’ve been hamfisting the thing, first rear main install ever and there’s no issue.
Wonder how many of the viewers remember the old rope seal that used to be used for the rear main seal. They always leaked!
Tip on when you remove the drive cup:You know those 3m resurfacing pads(yellow or green)they snap into the seal BeautifullY.I had the resurfacing side inward.
thanks Al, great YT clip as usual - really informative.
Thank u 🙏 sir!!!! Legend!!!! Tried to avoid taking off the cups looked like heaps of room! Big mistake!!!! TAKE OFF THE CUPS ! Both ! Also the 3 transmission mount bolts on the side/under engine mount! missed one and already dropped gearbox bolts was a pain in the ass… nut got stuck on chassis rail n had to Murdered a Allen key to fit the cup socket with 3 socket adapters n a breaker bar probably hurt the power steering line not following instructions….
Just wanted to say thanks for posting this it was very helpful when I removed my transmission.
GoGetYourOwnGear thanks amn. i am always glad to help
PincheALs Garage just wanted to add I posted a video of the problem I ran into...check it out if you have a min
@@PincheALsGarage whts size is the engine and what kind kit you put on?
Pinch I hope ECS Tunning pays you something... I bought the kit BECAUSE OF YOU. So you should be getting some credit. Good kit.
aricuzzi its ok. I dont care for the money as long as you get good use of it
Good stuff man I really appreciate the videos.
Im glad you have a video on this. Trying to get my southbend clutch and single mass in this weekend.
marc c sweet man. youll have fun doing this.
Thank you for making a really good video and taking your time to explain everything i was able to do my first clutch job on my 2000 audi tt 1.8t everything was identical and ended up working perfect i dont think i would’ve been able to do it with this video thanks again
Did you have to do all the grinding inside the transmission as well using that ECS tuning tool?
Just wanted to say thank you for the video and also my shirt came in yesterday 👍. Currently dropping my o2j from my jetta just waiting on parts.
Sweet!
@@PincheALsGarage hey bro I just have one dumb question. I can't seem to get my axle cup back in on the passenger side. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to get that cup pushed in further. Any advice would be greatfully appreciated lol.
Nvm I had to stop being a bitch lmao. It's all together so stoked. Thanks for the video too
@@89foxguy you need to push it in hard with one hand and with the other screw in the bokt
@@89foxguy if you have a buddy have them push it in
In the middle of fighting my trans for the last 2hrs. Didn't take the cup. Bet that makes it that much easier.
I just changed mine over the weekend. From standard clutch, to a stage 2 clutch and lighter flywheel. 1st torgueing the flywheel to 45 pounds was feelinc wrong, so did a little under that. And the pressureplate had some washers, i should never had put them on, since now when i start the car. The starter is hitting them so im hoping the washers on Day just break in pieces and rattles out the clutch housing one Day. Other than that, i did not take the cups off. Cause they didnt really give me a problem. And last Thing, My gear linkage was different, so i took it apart a little different Way then you. And that made My gear change different but Also better :D So thank you for the guide, it helped alot :)
Also in total work hours. It took me and a friend 8 hours, as first time.
The torque spec is 45lbs plus a 1/4 turn on the flywheel. If you didn't do the 1/4 turn that flywheel will fall off
I did not, the bolts would break trust me, i could feel it. I find it had to believe how its gonna fall of at almost 40lbs
The bolts are one time use. They are called stretch bolts or torque to yield. I can gurantee you they will fall off. After a couple days or week of driving it. That is why they have a 1/4 turn after you torque them down to 45lbs... Your axel bolts are torqued down to 45lbs and that is it. But the fly wheel is a whole other can of worms sir. I wish you luck.
@@PincheALsGarage sir the old bolts were not Even close at being at 45lbs, they were easy to get out, and the now ones were from ebay, same Thing with the clutch. I cannot see how this is gonna be true.. You cannot tell me everyone Who has not done 45lbs and a 1/4 turn there flywheel falls off. I cannot believe that, can you please send me a link to something to prof it? And No a video on RUclips it not good enough, cause the flywheel on RUclips their cars usally run around 600+ HP. I have around 260hp on mine
Just want to drop you a few lines to say thanks for this great video of changing the VW clutch. I recently changed my VW Bora 1.8T clutch (VALEO) and the process went absolutely brilliant without any problem. Cheers, dude!
Khai Bui glad we were able to help!
One other thing I did was simply cut the speed sensor wires, since it looked highly probable I would break the sensor trying to unplug it. It was turned all the way against a boss, so wouldn't have come out, anyway. I got a nice waterproof three wire, male/female plug from Walmart that works beautifully as a reusable splice.
I love that your into music was megaman, and outro was ff7. thanks for the video.
your welcome
wow
proud of you boys
brilliant
millennials lazy?
not these guys!
I didn't even knew that cup can come off but I had a hard time with the cup touching the engine but sooner or later I got it with the cup on😊
Thank you man this helped alot🙏🙏🙏🙏
Its the same thing as the automatic 2004 Jetta Volkswagen 2.0 i did a transmission swap it was pretty tough especially lining it back up with the bell housing and engine because of the flywheel and torque converter studs but I finally got it though
thanks so much i really do thank you. Keep up the good vids the subscribers will come
Got it done in about 7 hours time and didn’t remove the cup. Did have to backtrack and align the fork to the slave as I also did not need to remove the slave from the line.
Thanks for this video man, helped a ton
Thanks alot for the video. I am not planning to change the fly wheel. The axle wheel on passenger side leaks fluid if you remove it
Yeah I will leak if you turn it on it side
@@PincheALsGarage the bolts on the gearbox mount are really hard to remove. Gearbox is out but i already broke one bolt and scared to remove others. How do you loosen them? Did your slave cylinder leaks fluid when you press it or when it hangs there
@@adnansgarage use an oil penetrating for seized bolts.
I love PB blaster and liquid wrench.
Only if you tip it to an "unusual attitude," as the aircraft people say. Doesn't leak if you don't tip it too much, well within the range of what you need to do to take it in an out.
Ive been using Motul for Trans oil.
Awesome vid man! Gotta do this job soon, I feel way more confident having seen this!
that's great to hear!
I just pulled my trans out and i swear my throw out bearing was on the otherside . Did the shop install it wrong or are they different? One of the springs on the clutch disc was broken too . Kinda sucks because it still had plenty of life left
Have you ever used an Ebay clutch.. I wanted to try one out for the heck of it but feel really really bad about it.. Thanks,
i have it worked well
Did you have to grind down the clutch fork a little on the bottom corners for the transmission to fit flush?
thanks for all the videos pinche Al helped me alot so far. I need to do my clutch i got a 2004 jetta gli 1.8t awp i believe and was wondering if your still helping people do their work. if so how much would it run me to help me learn/ do this job. i can come to you im in orange county. thank you again bro for all the info on your videos.
I will do it for free with you
alright let me know when we can do it i'm ordering the stage 1ecs clutch kit.
@@user-ys9ke5cj1n Herr is my cell# give me a call 760 six37 seven6one9
Great video! My question is how did you get the axle cup back on? I can't get it to compress enough
You can get a ratchet strap and compress it so you can bolt it back on
Well damn you respond fast!
Thanks for the tip. I just used the cv sheild bolt as a leverage point for pry bar and boom. Thanks again man. You da man!!
had a hard time getting it past the subframe even with axle cups off. maybe because 6 speed
Keith Doran yup the six speed trans is a bitch to remove
PincheALs Garage not excited to put it back in. God damn slave cylinder :( biggest design flaw ever have that inside bell housing
Keith Doran i can agree with that.... have fun bleeding it too....
PincheALs Garage uhg. dreading it. has to be prefilled surgically with a cathiter
Keith Doran no its a self priming just takes a long time
Is it completely necessary that you have to grind the area in the transmission?
MontrealSeasoning it depends on the clutch kit you use. Every kit is different and will specify if it has an install warning guide in the box.
I just put an ebay stage 2 when i start it,it goes chick,chick,chick starts and goes away after a second,my retract on my starter is lazy,im assuming thats what it is
Is there a reason the timing chain and guides were not replaced while the transmission was out? The video is helpful and appreciated.
That would happen if it was a VR6. 1.8t dont need that service unless the hydro tensioner os going out
Great video 👍🏼 . What new clutch kit would you recommend? I was looking at the south bend clutch kit thanks.
Great choice
I gotta 1.8t gti clutch is not engaging if I put it in first and try to take off it makes a noise but doesn’t stall someone help
I have the same sound on my clutch. I here it when the engine idle. How bad is it to run whit in standard engine ?
I broke the bolts at 11:50 and had real pain. I broke one bolt when i tried to remove the dog bone. I broke one bolt of the pressure plate. So this is not easy
i wanna replace my rear main seal on my mk5 (dsg) tdi golf, someone told me I need a special alignment tool for the rear main seal, was wondering if I could do without the tool and just fit it to flush by naked eye
Hey Al my 1.8t 5 speed is going out.Are 2.0 5 speed manuals the same/swap-able?Or can you tell me what my options are?.........thanks.
What kind of rtv would you recommend for the rear main seal ? I want to make sure the new one I have won't leak
Shane_sleeperjetta grey RTV os what you need. its perfect just make sure to TQ down tje bolts to spec amd let ot cure for 24hours.
PincheALs Garage thanks for the help. and just out of curiosity. what oil do you recommend for a mk4 1.8t jetta?
Man u made that look too easy..
It is when you do as many times as I have!
Hi am having a problem with my mark 4 I had a friend rebuild the motor all need parts but I can’t get the car into gear I have broken 3 clutch slave cylinder for some reason the plate with the round indent in it is hard to push in.. ? Car starts fine just hard to get into gear due to the slave cylinder not being able to push the plate in. The clutch slave cylinder keep breaking and leaving brake fluid I change 3 time already.. is it time I drop the transmission??????
Please help……
Thank you for such a thorough DIY video! I'm in the middle of this swap myself.
If you may give your input on the crank seal section:
I've read horror stories of people swapping a perfectly good crank seal only to have the new one leak on them.
Do you believe in the idea of "if it ain't broke don't fix it" for this part? Or are you confident the new seal kit and your ATV silicon application will do the trick?
Yes i do believe in if it aint broke dont fit it however i also believe in preventative matianence. Depending on the amount of miles your seal has then replace it just to be safe.
mvp
Pinche al ... ur a lifesaver!!👍 bought a mk4 Jetta 2.0 about 2 years ago and I’m having to do some work. This video help out a lot! Quick question tho.. have u ever replaced the seals in the transaxle flange ? My driver side is leaking pretty bad and I was thinking on replacing them while I had tranny out.. anything will help! Thanks
anonymsangel thier is no seal on the axles. Just the axle cups.
PincheAls Garage one more question.. does the transmission got a access hole to look in bell-housing (pressure plate/fork)?
What size is the clutch disc for 2001 Jetta 1.8t
My mk4 is stuck in gear even though it's in neutral
So today we tried putting the transmission back in and we keep getting stuck on the lower conrole arm what should we do
Deadman 25 you need to remove the axle cups
PincheAls Garage both sides? Or just passenger
Deadman 25 do both sides. Saves you time and your patients
PincheAls Garage last question how do you get the axle coupler back on I tried screwing the alien bolts back in and the are not catching the threads even when pushing the coupler in since it’s spring loaded?
Deadman 25 you need to push it in and while holding it down screw ot back on
Why would you need to grind those spots down? Does the new flywheel not fit properly? 🤔
Newer ecs stage 1 flywheels no longer require grinding the inside of the bellhousing to make clearance. Check with the clutch manufacturers before ordering/installing tho.
does the transmission bell housing have a gasket between transmission and engine?
+Andrew Mallon yes but its no needed however i highly suggest to get one because you ca get rocks and water in the clutch area which will cause premature failure.
My Bentley states to use RTV around the entire rear main seal flange. You only put it on both bottom corners?
Cody Stauder very odd mine says only the bottom and some corners.
Okay I'll go with that. Seems like you've got a good grasp on this swap. Thanks!
Aren’t the pressure plate bolts supposed to be 10 foot pounds? 🤔
Depends on the clutch brand
Install manual transmission on a golf GTI 2003
I am doing this right now and am down to the pressure plate and flywheel.... now when taking the flywheel off do I put it at top dead center and make a new tdc mark on my single mass fly? Just so I don't forget and fuck it up later when I do the timing belt again.... cause I used the flywheel tdc mark more then the pulley tdc marks.
Kevin A the flywheel only goes on one way. No real way to mess it up. Make sure you Torque it correctly. The rear main seal need to go on slowly.
Kevin A timing is not needed for the flywheel to go on. Unless your reaplacing your belt as well but you for that just use the timing marks on the cam pulley and the lower timing cover.
PincheAls Garage thanks! I did make a paint mark and saw it pretty much lined up like it was supposed to.... was kinda trying to get it done quick! And still not done cause my torque wrench took a shit on me! I got the seal on pretty easily. It slid right on.... mine had this plastic cup holding it upen a little and as you slid it on the plastic piece came out and the seal sat perfectly in place. Was a felpro gasket from advanced auto. If that matters.... everything else is tha same as your video though... Ecs stage 1. Car has 185k miles and looks like same original clutch... or whoever did it before let the dealership do it and they got reamed for oem.
Anyone have any tips or techniques to get the flange back on... I removed the spring just to get it back in temporary. I was not able t get the bolt back in with the spring on. Thanks,
Which bolt and spring?
Owww never mind.... If you cant do it in your own get a buddy to push it in for you while you thread it back in. If you cany get help get a 3/8 version with an extension and push it in. That's how i always do it.
@@PincheALsGarage Al your the freaking man. Thanks for getting back to me so fast.. I'll give it a shot.. I was under the car for a while trying to get it done. I was going to use the axel and push a corner in but aborted cause I know it would have been worst is the flange bent. Thanks, for the video and have been watching it for hours.
Pinche al
When you put the transmission in did you still have the cups taken out ?
Yes
So the clutch install was a success, but I ended with one interesting issue . When I start my car , it starts in first gear .
GodliestGodoftheGods did you play aroumd with the shift cables? that will do that
GodliestGodoftheGods the shifter bracket was it aligned correctly on the trans? it has a small notch on the shaft to make sure it goes in correctly.
Yeah unfortunately. it's just I wasn't sure what the neutral position was when I was putting the shift cables back on
GodliestGodoftheGods so your going to have to play around with the cables until they work
Sounds like a plan, thanks for responding
On rear main seal #3, fresh just put in yesterday and its leaking, did it just like the video. Any advice? Incredibly fustraited as this is the second time i had the tranny out in the past 2 weeks
Did you see where it's leaking from?
If it's leaking from the crank you need to be careful sliding the seal over if it has a small fold or crease it will leak. Hopefully you use the provided slide tool that most good MFGs provide. If it's leaking from the block you need to clean the surface very well and make sure you don't have any scratches or else it will leak. Last but not least if it's leaking from the oil pan you need to add a tiny bit of RTV on the edges of the seal to help with that.
I hope this helps
@PincheALsGarage figured out the problem, first time it was the seal folding over, second time the seal needed rtv. Thank you very much man!
Any help appreciated ! The ecs stage 1 clutch kit with 14lbs single mass flywheel says there will be " audible chatter " from the transmission using the single mass flywheel.. Is there anyone that used the same kit and has the " chatter " theyre talking about.. Wondering how bad it is and if i should go with a dual mass instead? Thanks
Yeah dropping almost half the weight of a flywheel will cause a chatter.
Will sound like a something is loose but you only hear it at idle once you start moving it goes away completely
@@PincheALsGarage Thank you so much! Dude ive been pulling my hair out over this clutch thing lol
@@PincheALsGarage is the trans in the video an 02J ? Wondering about the gear oil
@@ajg9821 yes it's an 02j transmission and we use synchro mesh 70 90 gear oil or get redline same weight really good stuff
Do you have to bleed the slave cylinder Everytime you replace the clutch or not ????
Mahc 20 yes just to make sure you have proper pressure and new fluid os always a good thing to have
PincheAls Garage cool keep up the good work bro !
I put a stage three into mine and I can't get it to acctualy engage the gears I've dropped the trans three times now they claimed could use stock flywheel car will start and run I'll put it into gear drop clutch and it won't even stall any tips?
Kane Tornberg you can never run a dual mass stock flywheel with an aftermarket clutch. you will need a different flywheel. i never meet anyone with a stock flywheel and a high pressure clutch kit.
PincheALs Garage that's what I thought told there sales rep he was full of it thanks :) and u made putting it back in look damn quicker then the hour I spend typically wrestling it in haha
Kane Tornberg just make sure to remove the axle cups and your job will always be ez. i also suggest get a 14lbs flywheel. still feels stock but youll rev a lot faster.
PincheALs Garage thanks for the tips really much appreciated
onto a single mass flywheel at 14lbs so light flywheel aswell should fix my issue?
Did you consider; installing a reinforced performance clutch fork? I hear; the 02J, has problem with bent clutch forks.
www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=02j%20reinforced%20clutch%20fork
It looks like you got rid of your stock DMF and clutch; which clutch did you upgrade to (Looks like a ECSTUNING/SACHS based kit). I would assume; your turbo upgrade, wiped out your stock DMF/clutch? :) A discussion; on why you chose the clutch you installed; would be a great addition to the video. Thanks!
Did my new clutch doesn’t want to shift into gear when running any input
It will be your pressure plate or throwout bearing. Need to remove the trans and see what is wrong
PincheAls Garage thanks got it all done keep up the videos there keeping me motivated to do all the work on my car again lol
Dropped it again and checked everything out it back up and still same thing put a brand new slave in to
@@juanandjessicalizcano4521 check the pressure plate to the flywheel. You might have the wrong hardware
hi doing a really good job ! Question for u I just Changed my clutch and flywheel and changed the slave cylinder Becos of it leaking fluids. when the car is running i have plobrems getting it in to gear ? and i have bleed the system but theres no change ? and i have no speed reading ? any help would be thankful really helpful videos.
+Peter Harrold 1st double check the speed sensor on the back lwft of the trans. Many people forget this sensorband damage it all the time. If its plugges in then unplug it and check if the speed sensor pin is in. Its also common when the sensor is unplugged that the pin falls out.
+Peter Harrold next you will need to keep bleeding the clutch. It will take a long time to get the cylinder to prime.
thank you I have bleed the system with a pressure bottle and bleed bottle on the slave cylinder Becos I'm by myself and I get a half clutch but the gears still crind together when engine is running ? I found really small washer on the floor could that go on the speed sensor ?
I meant a pressure bleed bottle on the brake and clutch master reservoir
Peter Harrold even with a pressure bleeder you can still get air
Are there no pilot bearings on this engine?
No
that the same process for all transmissions? 5/6 speed?
very similar. the 6 speed has a different throw out bearing and a couple bolts in a different spot.
Hey man! Did you have to re bleed the clutch? Thanks man!
No as long as you don't open the line up. It's always a good idea to bleed and flush it just for matainence
@@PincheALsGarage awesome. Thank you so much for the reply and info!!
Can this job be done by just one person?
yes i do this by myself all the time. you will have to use another jack to catch the tranny when you drop it from the engine. just as a precaution. only big issue is trying to out the the trans back ok. very doable alone just very tiring.
Thanks, Al... And have you ever used/installed an Ebay clutch?
NO Sorry...did you get a new flywheel too?
Haven't bought them yet.. I'm just getting myself ready for the job... I'll be doing it in spring.. Swapping an 03 AWP including transmission and all components with bad clutch into a 99.5 / 2.0l automatic... I'm staying away from the Ebay clutch really don't want to risk it... The goal for the car is a 70% track 30% street car...
i would suggest a Clutch Masters kit or Exedy kit they been around a lot longer and have proven quality.
Hey man, I was wondering if it’s normal when I install the pressure plate and the pressure plate fingers bend in as I tightened them down?
Yes its normal
And when you have catastrophic failure because you didn't decide to clean your hands and put some gloves on just know it's because if something like that
Lol! I have done over a hunderd of these never wearing gloves and never had one issue.... Maybe I am just very lucky!
How long all together did this take you?
depending on what tools you have it can take about 4 to 8 hours
PincheALs Garage thats from start to finished and driving?
Derrick Johnson yes sir!
PincheALs Garage you guys swap an lsd into one?
no not yet but its very ez to do though.
Are all triple squats m12 m111 what ever it’s called lol
Deadman 25 teah they are annoying!
PincheAls Garage are the torque specs to the clutch the same as oem
does the flywheel go on a certin way? or can u just put it on anyway
MrThizzn420 the flywheel can only go on one way.. you will see. once all the holes line up youll be able to line up all the bolts
PincheALs Garage okay so another question my clutch isnt engaging i put the car in first gear and the car still acts like its in netural any advise?
MrThizzn420 did you clutch kit come with all new hardware?
PincheALs Garage no im due for a new clutch but before the swap the clutch was working fine perfectly fine no slipping or nothing i just put all old hardware on new engine
PincheALs Garage the new engine had a duel mass flywheel and i took the single mass off the old engine and put it on the new engine
Giving me vertigo… you need a GoPro with auto stabilize! Touching the microphone every 4 seconds is very distracting too… I’m trying to watch this to prep for doing it myself but lord it is difficult!
Sorry man this was a super old video. I have newer videos much better video quality doing this job
@@PincheALsGarage I’ll look through your videos. I appreciate you showing us all how to keep these babies on the road!
Only Ford reps disliked this video :o
Way to ruin a rear mail seal bet money that leaked its ass off you didnt use the plastic tool it came with
Brandon Prettyman lol! Not a single drop of oil after months of driving it. I have installed rear main seals this way on these cars for a very long time with no issues at all.
Brandon Prettyman by the way they dont come with a plastic tool anymore. I only use OEM seals and the last time they came with the tool that i can recall was in 2006 or 07
You just ruined My car maybe... In the book you just send me says 60nm... Thats not fucking 45 pounds!! 45 pounds it 20,5 kg. And thats almost 210nm.. So i just overtigt mine... Great, not its for sure gonna break...
Its actually 44lbs if you read it correctly...lol plus a 1/4 turn Or 90 degrees
@@PincheALsGarage take Google and type lbs to kg 45 lbs = 20,5kg
45 ft lp is NOT the same as 45lbs or 60nm FFS!?
@@dragolian50 45 ft-lbf is the same as 61 newton-meters
jesus get your finger off the mic my dude
Lol!
Horrible recording
If you don´t wear gloves, I have to think this is a dirty 1990 job. Please wear gloves.
lol...i prefer not to wear gloves
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