Even if you arent a fan of the backstory to this movie you need to understand this was one of the first movies based on aerial combat that wasn't a bunch of stock footage from the Vietnam Era. They actually had military pilots fly them up for filming. It was very well constructed and believe it or not... They did it all without Final Cut Pro.
Fun fact: Tom Skerritt/Viper was 52, going on 53 at the time of Top Gun's release in 1986. Tom Cruise is 56 and will have just turned 57 upon the supposed release of the sequel next year.
+Speedbird7771 Someday, someone somewhere will start issuing a cooler fighter than the F-14 to their air forces. But whatever that fighter turns out to be, it'll sure be one hell of a plane.
As much as I loved seeing the F-14 Tomcat growing up, the F-18 has become a favorite of mine as well. Also can not forget the F-16. Whoooo sure were some nice planes.
The F-35 is a joke of an aircraft. Even the defense analysts have said that is a bad plane, and the money spent on its development was completely wasted. It would have been better to not retire the F-14D, and give it thrust vectoring capability with super cruise, redesign the air frame to use a high percentage of carbon composites to significantly lighten its weight(possibly cut its weight in half) and make its body stronger, keep the radar which gave its legendary multi-targeting/multi-engagement capability, overhaul the cockpit with modern and more intuitive avionics, and create a lighter weight, more advanced missile near or 3/4 the range of the Phoenix but with a higher degree of accuracy.
I like how TG2 pays tribute to the original when Mav’s teaching the others. “Holy shit it’s Maverick!” And when Hangman is chasing him Mav says “yep you’re good, I’ll give you that.” Just like Viper said “damn this kids good.”
"Good morning gentlemen, the temperature is 110°--" "HOLY SHIT, IT'S VIPER!!!!" You know you're awesome when someone cuts off your weather report at the first sound of your voice
Probably still my favorite line in the entire movie, "The Defense Department regrets to inform that your sons are dead because they were stupid!" I don't care what anyone says, Goose was the best character in the film.
@@GKwan111 Actually no, because as the back seater Goose should have been watching their tail as Maverick engaged Viper. Had he been doing so, he would have see Jester sneaking up on them. So, they were both stupid and failed in their respective roles.
@@ImpendingJoker I understand your point. I placed the emphasis on Maverick not staying with his wingman and dealing with Jester first, then they could go after Viper. Goose was trying to convince him to do this.
I like how this dogfight allowed Viper to cross off a lot of things on his checklist like A. The obvious in teaching Maverick to never leave his wingman. B. Helped Viper get a true gauge of Maverick’s inherent talent. C. Have some fun as it was probably the first time in a hot minute that he had a good dogfight.
So the issue is a lot of this is just kinda wrong, as much as I love the movie. "Don't leave your wingman" is useless. It makes your two ship flight into essentially 1 ship. Viper and Jester flew more like actual wingmen. Hollywood had Jester lined up, should have been a simple kill with Sidewinder or guns. Meanwhile Viper was free to maneuver behind them. If Maverick stayed with Hollywood, all that would happen is Viper would get behind them both as they both chase one target and easily kill both. These kinds of tactics are often pursued in various combat simulators. One pilot can fly entirely defensive as bait, while the other can kill any and all bandits who tunnel vision on the bait. If no one places pressure on the hunter, then they can freely engage. Another thing, the "Targeting" they show in this is complete Hollywood creation. Mav states he selected a "Sidewinder," aka a short range heatseeking missile. He was rear-aspect to the target, meaning the missile seeker would easily find and lock on the hot drive plume from the Skyhawk in front, and almost immediately he would hear "tone" from the growling of the missile seeker confirming it had an effective lock. The "maneuver a crosshair onto the target" bit is only applicable for getting a computer-assisted target lead for guns, and is certainly not what they were trying to depict here. Now, the sequence is cute and fun, but it's hardly a realistic outlook on the realities of dogfighting. Still one of my favorite movies though.
Personally, I see "Don't leave your wingman" more as "Don't abandon your wingman to their fate". Even though Viper and Jester were separated, they weren't truly isolated, those two still had a game plan and a means of helping each other out. Hollywood was left vulnerable when Maverick ran off to do his own thing and neither party communicated afterwards. That's why Maverick got 'shot' here. Maybe if Maverick was more like "Hollywood, I'm gonna go scare off Viper so he can't get behind us.", I'm sure Hollywood and Goose would've been a bit more understanding. He nearly made the same mistake at the end of the movie, briefly disengaging while Iceman was surrounded by 5-6 Migs.
@@godofunity2612 The issue is what I outlined before. If Maverick stays on his wingman, it's the worst possible decision to make short of fully abandoning the fight and fleeing. You say "leaving him to his fate." Staying off his wing is dooming both of them to Viper. Maverick actually does the correct thing here. The issue is Hollywood who apparently can't close out a kill and got reversed, with zero radio communication.
@@AlaricKerensky In the long term, you're definitely right. But the way Maverick went about it? Eh, not so much. "Who was covering Cougar, while you were showboating with his MiG?" is what sums up the character in this scene, and Goose knows it. He's willing to go off on his own to engage an enemy, at the expense of leaving his wingman to their own devices. Would Cougar end up getting a mid-flight PTSD Attack if Mav didn't split off from him against the two MiGs in the opening scene? As for Hollywood failing to kill Jester? Either he was too focused on Maverick leaving him or Jester did "some of that pilot shit" when it was just the two of them. Maybe a combination of both. The lack of communication between the two didn't help either of them, which you're also right on. "I'm going after Viper" is a bit different from "I don't want Viper getting behind us." Tl;dr Maverick made a smart call for a pretty selfish reason.
@@AlaricKerensky yeah and I wonder how much NAVAIR and SPAWAR demanded obfuscation of capabilities... it's pretty glaring that in a whole franchise about F-14s the only mention of AIM-54 was the callsign of that one babe in the second film. Tomcats-- Anytime Baby!
Viper preyed on all of Maverick's weaknesses, while testing Maverick's skill as a pilot. He knew Maverick was a cowboy, and needed to teach Maverick a lesson about teamwork. Viper understands the Skyhawk's maneuverability, so he bounces all over the place(The A-4's agility and speed earned it the nickname 'Scooter'.) He never moves in a straight line, and by constantly turning and changing his position, the Tomcat can't acquire a lock. By Viper constantly shifting his position, Maverick has to make adjustments in a much heavier plane(The F-14 is over 3x heavier than a Skyhawk) to try to keep the A-4 in sight and give it time to get a tone. All the while, Viper knows that Jester got Hollywood(now corrected from originally Iceman, and thank you to those who provided the helpful corrective comments!), and he is waiting for Jester to come behind Maverick and take him out for abandoning a teammate for the sake of trying to be a hot shot. Musashi once said, "know your man, know his sword." Viper knows the F-14's strengths and weaknessness, and knew the overall mentality of the pilot in it. Those things also contributed to Maverick losing.
All Mav had to do was keep viper on radar, he didn't need to follow his every move. And the tomcat can compete with the Skyhawk maneuverability, the a4 is just squirrely.
"keep Viper on radar"... It is not as simple as that. In Top Gun, pilots use radar only to find each other at a DISTANCE.. when they meet head on, the main radar is turned off and pilots must rely on sight to keep track of their target. The HUD(Heads Up Display), which is used to lock onto a target(using the green target icon), is not part of the AWG-9's radar at all. Also, it is part of RIO's job in the Tomcat to provide a second pair of eyes so the pilot can focus on a target and not have to focus too much on potential threats from behind. That is another reason why the Tomcat has a two man crew, rather than one. Another thing: Maverick wasn't trying to follow Viper's every move... He was trying to get the angle for a gun lock. As Maverick said, "he's too close for missiles, I am switching to Guns." Viper was bouncing around all over the place while being pursued, which is why the radar couldn't acquire a Missile lock in the first place, even at a distance optimal for a Missile lock. By Viper luring Maverick in close, and having him switch to Guns, Viper used the A-4 to outmaneuver Maverick and bide his time for Jester to come up from behind and get a lock on Maverick. If all an F-14 pilot needed was to keep radar on a target, an A-4 would be 'shot down' before even seeing the Tomcat. The movie kept the true power of the Tomcat's AWG-9 Radar secret from most of the public. The AWG-9 radar had a range of over 90 miles, could track 24 targets simultaneously, and engage 6 simultaneously. The Phoenix/Sparrow missile switch was not used in the Top Gun program, since the Tomcat could use a Phoenix or Sparrow to engage an A-4 long before even meeting head on and way out of the A-4's missile range.
You've got a point. The F-14 could've engaged miles out with its radar. But still think there are plenty of moments were he could of used his guns. and made some sort of decent shot. Now, I'm not a tomcat pilot, but I'm still a pilot. And it is also kind of Goose's fault. You're right, the RIO does check behind, but he obviously didn't. And also in that situation, I assume they were on the same freq. as Hollywood, and hearing them go quiet would've been somewhat of a clue.
during close up shots of maverick and goose inside the cockpit, i believe that they used the green screen. but during outside shots, those were really pilots doing stunts with the planes.
What about the scene in the final dogfight? Where they reuse the clip that makes you think (both times) that they're all going to collide Was that legitimate? I'm genuinely interested, I know I sound sarcastic.
The aggressor were flying A-4 Skyhawks... Those birds are small, fast and nimble, they can pick Tomcats apart in a 1v1 dogfight. Their whole strategy was built around separating the F-14s...
Jester and Viper got way better teamwork. In a rate fight the a-4 would have gotten behind the f-14 in no time. The best chance to win in a dogfight for the f-14s is to stay together but Viper and jester took care of that.
@@KJ-kn8pg Yup, that was their plan. Break when the Tomcats approached, and try to force a head to head fight. Jester knew he could beat Hollywood no problem, as did Viper. The wild card was Maverick, since Mav was very unpredictable. But, if they knew that if they dangled the worm, they'd hook that fish no problem, and that's what they did. On top of the lesson of never leaving your wingman, it's also a lesson in how not to let the enemy dictate the terms of the engagement. If all you're doing is reacting to what the enemy is doing, eventually they'll wear you down, and beat you.
A-4's are fast, light, and maneuverable, great perks in a dogfight. F-14's were never made to dogfight, but to engage at a distance with powerful radar and long-range missles. Viper and Jester had a plan the whole time, and played the plane's strengths and weaknesses.
Maverick: "I'm going after Viper." *Pulls stick and slams the throttle.* 1:45 *Music plays.* I lost it at that part. I really felt how much of a cowboy Maverick was.
The fact that Viper recognizes Mavericks skills as a pilot when he says "Dam this kid's good" is all that needs to be said about how much of a badass pilot Maverick truly is but none of his Superior Officers except for Viper would ever admit that.
Those Top Guns guys flew a revised Skyhawk so changed that they changed its name, calling it a Martlet. They flew it clean and bolted the slats up (I think). Light and flown clean the Scooter was a good fighter and a ball to fly!
"Come on! Come on! Come on! Keep coming! KEEP Coming!" -Viper. I love how Viper pushes the action, even though he is holding back for the sake of trapping Maverick.
And his remarks about Maverick being good, was his realization that Maverick almost got him anyway. But I didn't realize until after enlisting that Viper was merely bait the entire time to see if someone bailed for him (which occured)
@@crazyman7671 exactly, Viper was the bait. But that wasn't maverick's mistake, the mistake was him and Hollywood stopped talking the moment they split. Chasing Viper off was the right move, but getting fixated was the wrong one. Had they kept talking, when Hollywood got in trouble he should have called Maverick back to cover him. Merely sticking on Hollywoods wing would have left Viper to come up behind both of them and engage. You can't cover your wingman if you are also been engaged from the rear. You cover your wingman by proactively preventing threats, not by been a passive sheild. 2v1 sticking together is the right tactic, 2v2 however you need to be aware of both enemy aircraft and be actively preventing them engaging you. Especially if they have the superior dog fighting aircraft as was the case here.
@@cgi2002 yep and especially later. If you noticed after Goose died, their next HOPs had 3 aircraft and we never saw the final one (unless that was it, or merely to get Maverick back mentally), that could have had 4 and then the final conflict that starts with 5 and then 6 aircraft
@@jamesdick2580 but if you ever mentored someone, you know your prodigeè mentee always test you ....always needling you to make you opens all your "cards". And you will get urge to beat them up.😂😂😂
I like how Maverick was like "Leaving your wingman is a technique that I haven't seen in awhile" in topgun 2, flashback 30 years ago when he left hollywood, and hangman is like him, 30 years younger. How Viper beat Maverick is like how Maverick beat Hangman
This beast has an unforgettable place in Iranians heart because of how it has fought and destroyed more than 140 Iraqi fighters and bombers which were used to kill our people for 8 years.
@@TheNefastor His issue is that 20% of F-14s ever built ended up killing themselves in wrecks and costing taxpayers billions, so yeah I guess that could be called taking your lunch money
- Viper and Maverick are dogfighting way lower than the hard deck - you can tell how much an F14 is clumsy and slow in manuevering opposite to an older A-4 - soundtrack score is probably the only thing better in top gun 1 than 2, much more crafted and immersive
The original goal of the school was to get good missile shots on opposition aircraft. The maneuvering you see in the movie isn't the same as was taught in FWS.
@@imadrifter It's not to "keep up", it's to get their airspeed up to where it needs to be in a hurry. Doesn't matter if they're fighting a MiG-29 or a helicopter. Afterburner isn't for going fast, it's for gaining energy.
Surprised neither Maverick nor Viper went for a guns kill on the other during that head-on pass at the start of the dogfight. Granted it wouldn't have been very exciting, but in a real wartime situation your objective is to kill the enemy as quickly as possible. Plus having Viper call "Guns guns guns, splash one Tomcat" would definitely have taken the wind out of Maverick's sails and knocked his ego down a peg or twenty, and maybe have kept Goose from getting killed later on as Maverick wouldn't have been as reckless.
damn right it was well done! i heard that the Navy actually authorized one launching of a live missile for the film. the crew of the film did such a good job of reusing the footage of the missile launch that the Navy launched a full investigation and found that there were no unauthorized launches.
One thing I really like about these shots, filmed with real A-4s and F-14s, is that when they show the two together chasing Viper's tail, you really get a good look at just what an absolute chonker the F-14 really is.
The F-14 is a fucking huge plane. The only planes to rival it in size are the Thunderchief, Blackbird/Oxcart, and Delta Dart. The Skyhawk is a relatively tiny plane, yet very light and nimble. Fun fact: The Skyhawks used here are A-4F Mongooses, which are heavily modified and stripped down A-4Fs. The Blue Angels used similar planes. On a low fuel load, the Mongoose would have a near 1:1 thrust to weight ratio, and that's WITHOUT afterburners. I have seen pictures of A-4Ms in aggressor liveries as well, which is cool.
@@Tigershark_3082 well because Scooters never had afterburners. They lacked the internal fuel load, even without burner they were very short legged.. a Mongoose without bags and with burner, would be flaming out pretty soon and those stubby little wings make for a really shitty glider
@@starga-fr7qx I still remember the F111 if only because of it being used for the bombing of Libya the year this movie came out. Wasn't it supposed to be a true fighter-bomber and wasn't really good at either?
@@Darling137 It has the F designation, so Fighter.. and it was intended to be an Intercepter Carrier plane in the F111B with Phoenix missiles, except for the part that it was terrible behind the boat, poor performance all around, over weight.. the F111 really wasn't as succesful as a plane if you ask me.. it had fatal defects that killed many crews in the Low level flying over Vietnam, Just nose dived into the water till they found a fix for it. In my opinion, it didn't really do anything uniquely better then anything else.. It wasn't the fastest, the biggest payload, the best at LGB's , sure as he ll wasn't stealthy and it wasn't multirole anything It had good looks but it really was just a bomb truck.. in USAF designation it should have been a B-111 but they never did call it that because it would have caused a budget conflict and would have been axed before going into service
A veteran F/A/18 Super Hornet pilot once recalled that smaller fighter jets like the F-16 made it an incredibly difficult target due to its high manoeuvrability, agility and agile turning radius. The F-14D Super Tomcat was a real 'beast' according to him when he first faced it in the Hornet. The key to beating the Super Tomcat is to keep up with it in a dogfight because once you take your eyes of him, it will disappear and hit back at you from out of nowhere due to its superior acceleration and upgraded avionics. It was the only time when he acknowledged that the Hornet has finally met its match besides the F-16s and F-15s.
Indeed, the F-14D could have been adapted to meet required challenges for the US Navy in the later decades. It might even be the Marine answer to the Air Force's venerable F-15EX.@@Spanishfutbol2010
"Voodoo one, Viper's on station. Your journey ends here, pilots, the skies belong to me. Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide." "Beautiful Kill." "Viper's got you in the pipe, five by five." - A Legend
Top Gun: Tom dose a loopy loop off a Carrier (Captain) Good job, now do a loopy loop at school Tom dose a loopy loop at school (Teacher) Not good enough Tom dose 2x loopy loops (Teacher) Good job, now go back to the carrier Tom dose 2x loopy loops off the carrier The end
I'm the head of custodial services at my company. I'm very well respected by my subordinates. When I walk into a room my employees say "Holy shit it's Wiper".
What makes me giggle, after learning more about these aircraft over the years, is that the F-14 were so fuel-hungry that the A-4 could have beaten the F-14 on fuel alone just by being evasive and using the terrain. As a fan though, I love these scenes. The noise, music and images are like nothing else.
Viper wanted to teach Maverick a lesson in teamwork. Jester and Viper both worked as a team to 'kill' Maverick, Viper was the bait; he tossed and threw his a-4 all over the sky Maverick couldn't resist and went after him. After the chase, Jester came behind the F -14 and 'shot' Maverick out of the sky.
So ice man gets to be number one and Maverick is trailing at number two but many years later we see in the sequel to top gun that iceman is quite ill and Maverick still has his health, so who is really the winner here? This is why it pays not to be jealous
Even if you arent a fan of the backstory to this movie you need to understand this was one of the first movies based on aerial combat that wasn't a bunch of stock footage from the Vietnam Era. They actually had military pilots fly them up for filming. It was very well constructed and believe it or not... They did it all without Final Cut Pro.
Battle of Britain 1969 laughs in piston engines roars
😂 based?
And he even learned how to fly the F-14.
All in the budget of 15 million!
@@-few-fernando11 and I'd say the air combat was more impressive in Battle of Britain given the formations they had to fly too
"Leaving your wingman. There's a strategy I haven't seen in a while." Future Maverick
That's what I thought, mav, the original Hangman!
Or Hangman is V2 Maverick
@@thebandit0256 or hangman is called hangman because he'll always hang you out to dry...
So if Mav did that, it makes him the original hangman...
Warthunder Maverick:
"Wait, you guys have wing-men? Fuck."
Maybe he sould say "Leaving your wingman. There's a strategy I haven't done in a while"
Fun fact: Tom Skerritt/Viper was 52, going on 53 at the time of Top Gun's release in 1986. Tom Cruise is 56 and will have just turned 57 upon the supposed release of the sequel next year.
@Ollie B your fucking nut bro.. as real as it can be... smh go watch stealth were you belong
"Skelator runs away ..."
Most of the guys in my squadron, we flew the A-4, were in our mid 20s. Old dogs were in their late 20s. The skipper was in his early 40s.
Three years later and we’re still waiting for the release.
Turning 60 this upcoming July 3rd, 2022! Still not a bad pilot IRL!
Tomcat still is the sexiest fighter ever,.. beautiful, it looks like it's going fast even when it is on the ground.
+Speedbird7771 Someday, someone somewhere will start issuing a cooler fighter than the F-14 to their air forces. But whatever that fighter turns out to be, it'll sure be one hell of a plane.
As much as I loved seeing the F-14 Tomcat growing up, the F-18 has become a favorite of mine as well. Also can not forget the F-16. Whoooo sure were some nice planes.
Marco Van Dijk true true. they still some bad ass planes
The F-35 is a joke of an aircraft. Even the defense analysts have said that is a bad plane, and the money spent on its development was completely wasted. It would have been better to not retire the F-14D, and give it thrust vectoring capability with super cruise, redesign the air frame to use a high percentage of carbon composites to significantly lighten its weight(possibly cut its weight in half) and make its body stronger, keep the radar which gave its legendary multi-targeting/multi-engagement capability, overhaul the cockpit with modern and more intuitive avionics, and create a lighter weight, more advanced missile near or 3/4 the range of the Phoenix but with a higher degree of accuracy.
There is no way to cut down the Tomcat's weight by half. 10% would have been a great success. It already used titanium, which is light, extensively.
I like how TG2 pays tribute to the original when Mav’s teaching the others. “Holy shit it’s Maverick!” And when Hangman is chasing him Mav says “yep you’re good, I’ll give you that.” Just like Viper said “damn this kids good.”
The new Top Gun: Maverick debunks so many of these tactics.
"The Defense department regrets to inform you that your sons are dead because they were stupid." Hahahaha great line
DAMN RIGHT! The old divide and conquer routine with A-4s. Those birds can shredd apart F-14s in a 1-on-1 in a dogfight.
I still personally like viper's "damn, this kid's good"
Great balls of fire!
The only honest thing to come out of Washington...
"Play stupid games, win stupid prizes", this phrase defines the scene very well.
1986: "Holy shit, is Viper!"
2020: "Holy shit, is Maverick!"
holy shit its corona, nobody'll ser the movie at the cinema
Mavericks up here great.
Oh shit.
@@yottaplex2239 Thank goodness for FandangoNOW
@@yottaplex2239 stay optimistic. Corinavirus is probably saying holy s**t it's Yottaplex!!
2021: "Holy shit, is covid-19"
After "Top Gun Maverick", I want a prequel called "Top Gun Viper"
I would watch it
Viper flew with Mavericks dad, would be cool to see more backstory on some of the original characters.
THAT is an OUTSTANDING Effing idea!!!
I know Jester isn't in it but I'd love if Tom Skerrit was in it as Viper
I think it should be Top Gun: Jester
"God Damn you Maverick" a sentiment shared by everyone that flew with Maverick.
Also shared by the three adversaries that he killed later. lol
Lmao
Pretty sure the post-Goose-death Maverick was a much better wingman
The Leroy Jenkins of the air lol
I will not fly with that man if he couldn't understand the concept of TEAMMATES.
"Good morning gentlemen, the temperature is 110°--"
"HOLY SHIT, IT'S VIPER!!!!"
You know you're awesome when someone cuts off your weather report at the first sound of your voice
For suuuure lol
110 good thing i don't live there
Probably still my favorite line in the entire movie, "The Defense Department regrets to inform that your sons are dead because they were stupid!" I don't care what anyone says, Goose was the best character in the film.
It should read because Maverick was stupid. Goose was trying to do the right thing.
@@GKwan111 Actually no, because as the back seater Goose should have been watching their tail as Maverick engaged Viper. Had he been doing so, he would have see Jester sneaking up on them. So, they were both stupid and failed in their respective roles.
@@ImpendingJoker I understand your point. I placed the emphasis on Maverick not staying with his wingman and dealing with Jester first, then they could go after Viper. Goose was trying to convince him to do this.
Easily. I rewatched this movie a few weeks ago after decades without seeing it, and I was surprised by how Goose was so much better than the rest.
Goose was one of the only characters that didn't have his head wedged firmly up his ass. That alone makes him the best.
I like how this dogfight allowed Viper to cross off a lot of things on his checklist like
A. The obvious in teaching Maverick to never leave his wingman.
B. Helped Viper get a true gauge of Maverick’s inherent talent.
C. Have some fun as it was probably the first time in a hot minute that he had a good dogfight.
So the issue is a lot of this is just kinda wrong, as much as I love the movie.
"Don't leave your wingman" is useless. It makes your two ship flight into essentially 1 ship. Viper and Jester flew more like actual wingmen. Hollywood had Jester lined up, should have been a simple kill with Sidewinder or guns. Meanwhile Viper was free to maneuver behind them. If Maverick stayed with Hollywood, all that would happen is Viper would get behind them both as they both chase one target and easily kill both.
These kinds of tactics are often pursued in various combat simulators. One pilot can fly entirely defensive as bait, while the other can kill any and all bandits who tunnel vision on the bait. If no one places pressure on the hunter, then they can freely engage.
Another thing, the "Targeting" they show in this is complete Hollywood creation. Mav states he selected a "Sidewinder," aka a short range heatseeking missile. He was rear-aspect to the target, meaning the missile seeker would easily find and lock on the hot drive plume from the Skyhawk in front, and almost immediately he would hear "tone" from the growling of the missile seeker confirming it had an effective lock. The "maneuver a crosshair onto the target" bit is only applicable for getting a computer-assisted target lead for guns, and is certainly not what they were trying to depict here.
Now, the sequence is cute and fun, but it's hardly a realistic outlook on the realities of dogfighting. Still one of my favorite movies though.
Personally, I see "Don't leave your wingman" more as "Don't abandon your wingman to their fate". Even though Viper and Jester were separated, they weren't truly isolated, those two still had a game plan and a means of helping each other out. Hollywood was left vulnerable when Maverick ran off to do his own thing and neither party communicated afterwards. That's why Maverick got 'shot' here.
Maybe if Maverick was more like "Hollywood, I'm gonna go scare off Viper so he can't get behind us.", I'm sure Hollywood and Goose would've been a bit more understanding.
He nearly made the same mistake at the end of the movie, briefly disengaging while Iceman was surrounded by 5-6 Migs.
@@godofunity2612
The issue is what I outlined before. If Maverick stays on his wingman, it's the worst possible decision to make short of fully abandoning the fight and fleeing. You say "leaving him to his fate." Staying off his wing is dooming both of them to Viper.
Maverick actually does the correct thing here. The issue is Hollywood who apparently can't close out a kill and got reversed, with zero radio communication.
@@AlaricKerensky In the long term, you're definitely right. But the way Maverick went about it? Eh, not so much. "Who was covering Cougar, while you were showboating with his MiG?" is what sums up the character in this scene, and Goose knows it. He's willing to go off on his own to engage an enemy, at the expense of leaving his wingman to their own devices. Would Cougar end up getting a mid-flight PTSD Attack if Mav didn't split off from him against the two MiGs in the opening scene?
As for Hollywood failing to kill Jester? Either he was too focused on Maverick leaving him or Jester did "some of that pilot shit" when it was just the two of them. Maybe a combination of both. The lack of communication between the two didn't help either of them, which you're also right on.
"I'm going after Viper" is a bit different from "I don't want Viper getting behind us."
Tl;dr Maverick made a smart call for a pretty selfish reason.
@@AlaricKerensky yeah and I wonder how much NAVAIR and SPAWAR demanded obfuscation of capabilities... it's pretty glaring that in a whole franchise about F-14s the only mention of AIM-54 was the callsign of that one babe in the second film. Tomcats-- Anytime Baby!
This movie was so damn well made for 1986
Don't just stare at it, eat it.
It still is, that crappy CGI one with Jamie Foxxxxx and the chick with the butt was a boring incomprehensible suckfest
lol! that chick with the butt hhahaahahha! aYeah it wasn't that great
+Rick Deckard shes actually called Jessica biel and she married Justin timberlake
I think we know that...
Holy shit it's me
-Viper
+qacwnfq q Great. You're probably saying "Holy shit, it's Maverick and Goose!"
qacwnfq q "Yeah, I'm sure he's thinking that."
'Yeah, I'm sure he's sayin' that...'
"Yeah not sure anymore about who is saying what about whom - I love that about a pilot"
Fredrik J never attack the viper 1 on 1!!!!
He's too close for similes, Goose. I'm switching to puns.
Wurdswurth
Wurdswurth you mean missiles?
whoops
Wurdswurth, nice one! 😊👌🏽
I WANT BUTS.
The casting of Rooster was absolutely spot on. They really look like father and son.
“Voodoo One, Viper’s on station. Your journey ends here, Pilot - the skies belong to me. Nowhere to run... Nowhere to hide.”
When you get to hell, Tell em Viper sent ya
Viper preyed on all of Maverick's weaknesses, while testing Maverick's skill as a pilot. He knew Maverick was a cowboy, and needed to teach Maverick a lesson about teamwork. Viper understands the Skyhawk's maneuverability, so he bounces all over the place(The A-4's agility and speed earned it the nickname 'Scooter'.) He never moves in a straight line, and by constantly turning and changing his position, the Tomcat can't acquire a lock. By Viper constantly shifting his position, Maverick has to make adjustments in a much heavier plane(The F-14 is over 3x heavier than a Skyhawk) to try to keep the A-4 in sight and give it time to get a tone. All the while, Viper knows that Jester got Hollywood(now corrected from originally Iceman, and thank you to those who provided the helpful corrective comments!), and he is waiting for Jester to come behind Maverick and take him out for abandoning a teammate for the sake of trying to be a hot shot. Musashi once said, "know your man, know his sword." Viper knows the F-14's strengths and weaknessness, and knew the overall mentality of the pilot in it. Those things also contributed to Maverick losing.
+KrosanBeast315 *Jester got Hollywood
+KrosanBeast315 well said
All Mav had to do was keep viper on radar, he didn't need to follow his every move. And the tomcat can compete with the Skyhawk maneuverability, the a4 is just squirrely.
"keep Viper on radar"... It is not as simple as that. In Top Gun, pilots use radar only to find each other at a DISTANCE.. when they meet head on, the main radar is turned off and pilots must rely on sight to keep track of their target. The HUD(Heads Up Display), which is used to lock onto a target(using the green target icon), is not part of the AWG-9's radar at all. Also, it is part of RIO's job in the Tomcat to provide a second pair of eyes so the pilot can focus on a target and not have to focus too much on potential threats from behind. That is another reason why the Tomcat has a two man crew, rather than one. Another thing: Maverick wasn't trying to follow Viper's every move... He was trying to get the angle for a gun lock. As Maverick said, "he's too close for missiles, I am switching to Guns." Viper was bouncing around all over the place while being pursued, which is why the radar couldn't acquire a Missile lock in the first place, even at a distance optimal for a Missile lock. By Viper luring Maverick in close, and having him switch to Guns, Viper used the A-4 to outmaneuver Maverick and bide his time for Jester to come up from behind and get a lock on Maverick. If all an F-14 pilot needed was to keep radar on a target, an A-4 would be 'shot down' before even seeing the Tomcat. The movie kept the true power of the Tomcat's AWG-9 Radar secret from most of the public. The AWG-9 radar had a range of over 90 miles, could track 24 targets simultaneously, and engage 6 simultaneously. The Phoenix/Sparrow missile switch was not used in the Top Gun program, since the Tomcat could use a Phoenix or Sparrow to engage an A-4 long before even meeting head on and way out of the A-4's missile range.
You've got a point. The F-14 could've engaged miles out with its radar. But still think there are plenty of moments were he could of used his guns. and made some sort of decent shot. Now, I'm not a tomcat pilot, but I'm still a pilot. And it is also kind of Goose's fault. You're right, the RIO does check behind, but he obviously didn't. And also in that situation, I assume they were on the same freq. as Hollywood, and hearing them go quiet would've been somewhat of a clue.
All gen Y and gen z also milenials not understand this….feel sorry for them. He he he
1986: "Good morning gentlemen, the temperature is 110 degrees."
2022: "Good morning aviators, this is your captain speaking."
i wonder how a 57 year old maverick would do against top gun 1 viper.
@@joeswanson733 Old Mav with modern aircraft smokes Viper no questions asked
@@clint5406 well ok let's put 57 year old maverick in his 1986 F14 vs viper in his F-4J Phantoms
2022: "Good morning ladies and gentlemen, this is your saviour speaking"... signifying the passing of the baton from Viper to Mav to Hangman
@@joeswanson733 actually, it's an A-4 Skyhawk.
Love how Maverick is basically Viper in the sequel, acknowledging Hangman's skill just like Viper acknowledged Mav's.
See that kids, no CGI whatsoever
Just the same live shots over and over and over again.
Bartonovich52 but it works tho...
during close up shots of maverick and goose inside the cockpit, i believe that they used the green screen. but during outside shots, those were really pilots doing stunts with the planes.
What about the scene in the final dogfight? Where they reuse the clip that makes you think (both times) that they're all going to collide
Was that legitimate? I'm genuinely interested, I know I sound sarcastic.
Yes. Cgi wanst really all that good back then. People relied on real footage
"You never leave your wingman!" "Okay, but Viper left you, Jester!"
The aggressor were flying A-4 Skyhawks... Those birds are small, fast and nimble, they can pick Tomcats apart in a 1v1 dogfight. Their whole strategy was built around separating the F-14s...
Jester and Viper got way better teamwork. In a rate fight the a-4 would have gotten behind the f-14 in no time. The best chance to win in a dogfight for the f-14s is to stay together but Viper and jester took care of that.
@@KJ-kn8pg Yup, that was their plan. Break when the Tomcats approached, and try to force a head to head fight. Jester knew he could beat Hollywood no problem, as did Viper. The wild card was Maverick, since Mav was very unpredictable. But, if they knew that if they dangled the worm, they'd hook that fish no problem, and that's what they did. On top of the lesson of never leaving your wingman, it's also a lesson in how not to let the enemy dictate the terms of the engagement. If all you're doing is reacting to what the enemy is doing, eventually they'll wear you down, and beat you.
A-4's are fast, light, and maneuverable, great perks in a dogfight. F-14's were never made to dogfight, but to engage at a distance with powerful radar and long-range missles. Viper and Jester had a plan the whole time, and played the plane's strengths and weaknesses.
That was actually a “huddle” break... kicking off the operation plan...
Which the other comments so well described all I could do was 👍
“He’s probably saying holy shit it’s Maverick and Goose” I quote that line probably more than an other in the whole movie.
"You took it!" is one I pretty often quote with Viper's tone as well.
GBO
"Yeah I'm sure he's sayin that" is one I always say
Maverick: "I'm going after Viper."
*Pulls stick and slams the throttle.*
1:45 *Music plays.*
I lost it at that part. I really felt how much of a cowboy Maverick was.
"God damn you maverick!"
Holy shit we are head to head...I can't believe we're doing this....
I can never figure out what song it was on the soundtrack, does anyone know?
The fact that Viper recognizes Mavericks skills as a pilot when he says "Dam this kid's good" is all that needs to be said about how much of a badass pilot Maverick truly is but none of his Superior Officers except for Viper would ever admit that.
And then Mav says that to Hangman. Circle of Life.
Its maverick that said that not viper .
@@bossstillen4390 2:52 3:09 They both commented on each other's abilities.
@@ntomnia585 yeah hehe
To me, Viper realized in toying with Maverick, Maverick actually nearly got him a few times and sounded quite stunned too "😳 "
Incredible sequence. Every shot cuts so well with eachother, it's by far the best dogfight sequence in the entire film.
Those Top Guns guys flew a revised Skyhawk so changed that they changed its name, calling it a Martlet. They flew it clean and bolted the slats up (I think). Light and flown clean the Scooter was a good fighter and a ball to fly!
"Come on! Come on! Come on! Keep coming! KEEP Coming!" -Viper. I love how Viper pushes the action, even though he is holding back for the sake of trapping Maverick.
And his remarks about Maverick being good, was his realization that Maverick almost got him anyway. But I didn't realize until after enlisting that Viper was merely bait the entire time to see if someone bailed for him (which occured)
@@crazyman7671 exactly, Viper was the bait. But that wasn't maverick's mistake, the mistake was him and Hollywood stopped talking the moment they split. Chasing Viper off was the right move, but getting fixated was the wrong one. Had they kept talking, when Hollywood got in trouble he should have called Maverick back to cover him.
Merely sticking on Hollywoods wing would have left Viper to come up behind both of them and engage. You can't cover your wingman if you are also been engaged from the rear. You cover your wingman by proactively preventing threats, not by been a passive sheild.
2v1 sticking together is the right tactic, 2v2 however you need to be aware of both enemy aircraft and be actively preventing them engaging you. Especially if they have the superior dog fighting aircraft as was the case here.
@@cgi2002 yep and especially later. If you noticed after Goose died, their next HOPs had 3 aircraft and we never saw the final one (unless that was it, or merely to get Maverick back mentally), that could have had 4 and then the final conflict that starts with 5 and then 6 aircraft
no doubts that Viper was holding back. i have no doubts that if he really wanted to, he could have taken Maverick down with relative ease.
@@jamesdick2580 but if you ever mentored someone, you know your prodigeè mentee always test you ....always needling you to make you opens all your "cards". And you will get urge to beat them up.😂😂😂
Maverick: The Original Hangman
I like how Maverick was like "Leaving your wingman is a technique that I haven't seen in awhile" in topgun 2, flashback 30 years ago when he left hollywood, and hangman is like him, 30 years younger.
How Viper beat Maverick is like how Maverick beat Hangman
Truth be told, even though Hangman has the technique like Iceman, he lacks based on how he is “by-the-book”.
The F-14 will always have a special place in my heart, and not because of that movie. What an incredible machine.
This beast has an unforgettable place in Iranians heart because of how it has fought and destroyed more than 140 Iraqi fighters and bombers which were used to kill our people for 8 years.
a leaky, old antiquated piece of equipment. A great way to turn jet Av into noise.
@@looloo6322 I sense a heavy dose of coping. What's your issue, buddy ? Did an F-14 stole your lunch money when you were a kid ?
@@TheNefastorThe girlfriend, you forgot about the girlfriend.
@@TheNefastor His issue is that 20% of F-14s ever built ended up killing themselves in wrecks and costing taxpayers billions, so yeah I guess that could be called taking your lunch money
"Yeah, I'm sure he's saying that"
Great line!
You know you are that awesome when people yell "Holy Shit" over you giving the temperature.
110 degrees? Air combat? Up there you gotta push it!
😎🤙🏽👍🏼
hey that's my picture
Viper/Jester: the power of teamwork, folks.
Maverick was actually HangMan when he was younger until he learned the very very painful lesson about not leaving your wingman.
- Viper and Maverick are dogfighting way lower than the hard deck
- you can tell how much an F14 is clumsy and slow in manuevering opposite to an older A-4
- soundtrack score is probably the only thing better in top gun 1 than 2, much more crafted and immersive
The original goal of the school was to get good missile shots on opposition aircraft.
The maneuvering you see in the movie isn't the same as was taught in FWS.
Jester was hoping Maverick and Goose didn't notice that he was making the radar lock sound with his mouth
I don’t know why this has no reply’s after 2 damn years, but I’m dying rn!?🤣
hahahahaha two years later, but here's you like sir.
LOVE that video
And "Air pressure drop"
Aim-9 doesn't make a radar lock 🙄
Mr JK What video?
defense department regrets to inform you your sons are dead because they were stupid! LOL best line in the movie XD
Great balls of fire!!!
Alright knock it off gentleman. Let’s go home Viper has the lead
Love that line 🤣
Seriously once you realize the size of the planes you know it´s a David vs Goliath fight
And the Goliaths were the F 14s.
Holy Shit it's Maverick and Goose
few years later: Holy shit its Rooster and Hangman
Now it's holy shit it's maverick...
and few years later: Holy shit its Rooster and Phoenix!!
@@MikeCarvin I don't think they can Carry the weight and this is the last top gun
@@marvelsucksnow6424 well the future never knows......
and an older Rooster might resemble Viper.....
Good morning gentlemen the temp is 110 degrees
Holy shit it's viper!
@@sukhoisu-24fencer3 🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍
To be fair, Viper's flying a faster jet.
I love this scene. especially the merge between Mav and Viper...when viper looks over his shoulder at the Tomcat in full burner. so badass.
@Upcycle Shoes They are actually doing a fuel dump. Not practical. But it was filmed by Hollywood.
Full burner to keep up with an A-4 lol
@@imadrifter It's not to "keep up", it's to get their airspeed up to where it needs to be in a hurry. Doesn't matter if they're fighting a MiG-29 or a helicopter. Afterburner isn't for going fast, it's for gaining energy.
Before: holy sh*t,its viper
Today: holy sh*t,its maverick
Watched Top Gun: Maverick...Man missed Viper in that one. Top Cruise took over the duties of Viper in Top Gun.
Top Cruise
You can wipe the testosterone off the screen with a squeegee. But I love this movie.
I thought this was a gay romance.
You mean it _isn't_ a gay romance?
Bartonovich52 a gay romance disguised as a military recruitment programme
Wipe that stuff off the screen with a sponge and squeeze it into a bottle and sell it.
bobby bob is buy the whole supply.
"Defense department regrets to inform you that your sons are dead because they were stupid."
That was cruel but true 💀
that would be an awesome telegram to receive from the DOD
“Good morning Gentlemen, the temperature’s 110 degrees”
Deserved an Oscar.
Surprised neither Maverick nor Viper went for a guns kill on the other during that head-on pass at the start of the dogfight. Granted it wouldn't have been very exciting, but in a real wartime situation your objective is to kill the enemy as quickly as possible. Plus having Viper call "Guns guns guns, splash one Tomcat" would definitely have taken the wind out of Maverick's sails and knocked his ego down a peg or twenty, and maybe have kept Goose from getting killed later on as Maverick wouldn't have been as reckless.
The cinematography/photography in this scene is incredible for 1986. They really pushed the available equipment and technology to the absolute limit.
damn right it was well done! i heard that the Navy actually authorized one launching of a live missile for the film. the crew of the film did such a good job of reusing the footage of the missile launch that the Navy launched a full investigation and found that there were no unauthorized launches.
Tony Scott was hired as director because he did SAAB adverts.
One thing I really like about these shots, filmed with real A-4s and F-14s, is that when they show the two together chasing Viper's tail, you really get a good look at just what an absolute chonker the F-14 really is.
The F-14 is a fucking huge plane. The only planes to rival it in size are the Thunderchief, Blackbird/Oxcart, and Delta Dart.
The Skyhawk is a relatively tiny plane, yet very light and nimble.
Fun fact: The Skyhawks used here are A-4F Mongooses, which are heavily modified and stripped down A-4Fs. The Blue Angels used similar planes.
On a low fuel load, the Mongoose would have a near 1:1 thrust to weight ratio, and that's WITHOUT afterburners.
I have seen pictures of A-4Ms in aggressor liveries as well, which is cool.
@@Tigershark_3082 well because Scooters never had afterburners. They lacked the internal fuel load, even without burner they were very short legged.. a Mongoose without bags and with burner, would be flaming out pretty soon and those stubby little wings make for a really shitty glider
@@Tigershark_3082 And don't forget the F4, bigger wing area then Thunderchief even or F111 the oversized Fighter that never was.
@@starga-fr7qx I still remember the F111 if only because of it being used for the bombing of Libya the year this movie came out. Wasn't it supposed to be a true fighter-bomber and wasn't really good at either?
@@Darling137 It has the F designation, so Fighter.. and it was intended to be an Intercepter Carrier plane in the F111B with Phoenix missiles, except for the part that it was terrible behind the boat, poor performance all around, over weight..
the F111 really wasn't as succesful as a plane if you ask me.. it had fatal defects that killed many crews in the Low level flying over Vietnam, Just nose dived into the water till they found a fix for it.
In my opinion, it didn't really do anything uniquely better then anything else..
It wasn't the fastest, the biggest payload, the best at LGB's , sure as he ll wasn't stealthy and it wasn't multirole anything
It had good looks but it really was just a bomb truck.. in USAF designation it should have been a B-111 but they never did call it that because it would have caused a budget conflict and would have been axed before going into service
A veteran F/A/18 Super Hornet pilot once recalled that smaller fighter jets like the F-16 made it an incredibly difficult target due to its high manoeuvrability, agility and agile turning radius. The F-14D Super Tomcat was a real 'beast' according to him when he first faced it in the Hornet. The key to beating the Super Tomcat is to keep up with it in a dogfight because once you take your eyes of him, it will disappear and hit back at you from out of nowhere due to its superior acceleration and upgraded avionics. It was the only time when he acknowledged that the Hornet has finally met its match besides the F-16s and F-15s.
You make it a turning fight so that the -14 can’t use its advantages of speed and power
If only they went with the Super Tomcat instead of the F35
Indeed, the F-14D could have been adapted to meet required challenges for the US Navy in the later decades. It might even be the Marine answer to the Air Force's venerable F-15EX.@@Spanishfutbol2010
"Damn this kid's good"
Ultimate validation for Maverick
10 bucks says he says it in "Top Gun: Maverick"
Well you weren't wrong.
When fighting Hangman Maverick says "you're good, I'll give you that" which is basically the same thing
@@CC-Cobalt-1043 yeah I think it would've been a bit too hammy to say it again word for word, but they had to have *SOME* callbacks👍
Michael Ironside was amazing as Jester, perfect voice…
Viper was toying with Maverick here...
Break now, Jester. Love that.
Noticed today that both Maverick and Viper say "Jesus this guys good" and "Damn this kids good" Game recognize game.
“Damn, this kid’s good.”
Maverick earned Vipers respect.
… that’s because Viper knew the way his dad used to fly.
He’s probably saying holy shit it’s Maverick n Goose 😂😂😂
Let's be honest, he only got tackled because he's only 5ft tall
and that's why Maverick is only a Captain now
After watching topgun: maverick....i forget how old the special effects were back then....the new movie maverick was awesome👍
Still one of my favorites lines from Goose. " Defense department regrets to inform you that your son's are dead because they were stupid."
(New pilot taking on Maverick in TG2)
Holy shit Im going head to head. I can’t believe Im doing this.
Still the most feared plane in Europe
“The ghost of Kyiv”……….fist one to post this
Tom Skerritt (Viper) is my favorite actor, I wish he did more action movies because those he was in were great. He's heavily underrated.
Discount Burt Reynolds?
I want to see a prequel now of Viper and Maverick's dad. Tom Cruise could play his own dad XD
top gun vietnam.
"Leaving your wingman, now that's a strategy I haven't seen in a while"
1986: Holy Shit is Viper
2022: Holy Shit is Maverick
yes
"Voodoo one, Viper's on station. Your journey ends here, pilots, the skies belong to me. Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide."
"Beautiful Kill."
"Viper's got you in the pipe, five by five."
- A Legend
Meanwhile in B7R
this is the round table. Dead men's words hold no meaning.
Don't mind me, I'm just casually flying my A-10 in B7R and Emergency Air Raids
It's time to hunt some wild dogs.
Target is in firing range. Schnee 1 to all units. Release your missiles.
Wizard 1 to Wizard 5. The Demon has entered the net.
"Holy shit it's Maverick"
“Great, he’s probably saying holy shit it’s Maverick and Goose!”
“Yeah, I’m sure he’s sayin that!” 🤣🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Top Gun:
Tom dose a loopy loop off a Carrier
(Captain) Good job, now do a loopy loop at school
Tom dose a loopy loop at school
(Teacher) Not good enough
Tom dose 2x loopy loops
(Teacher) Good job, now go back to the carrier
Tom dose 2x loopy loops off the carrier
The end
I always wondered if Viper's ''come on'' were for Maverick to catch him of for hurrying Jester to come to his aid
For mav
That was some of the best flying I've seen you do, right up until you got killed. You never leave your wingman.
The shot of the F14 with backlight vortices at 2:00 made Tony Scott cry, literally (as told by Val Kilmer in an interview)
I'm the head of custodial services at my company. I'm very well respected by my subordinates. When I walk into a room my employees say "Holy shit it's Wiper".
Nice
Oh.... my.... God! :D
Hahahahahaha
3:37 ("Defense dept regrets to inform you that your sons are dead because they were stupid") *IT HAPPENS!* 😲😆😲😆😲😆😲😆😲😆😲
Notice how Viper never use any countermeasure.
I can NOT understand why this music wasn't added to the soundtrack!
What sing is it called
Song*
ace combat ...
bulls eye XD
+Naitoraven951 Hell yeah
VOODOO ONE, VIPER'S ON STATION
That Hard Deck looks pretty low right here.
viper and jester walking past them like "hey guys we're here, come get us!!!" lol
30+ years later, Maverick pulls the same moves on the new guys. 😄
Viper will always be the real deal. He literally dogfought for his life through war.
why they have to kill off goose. Such a good character
ohhh shiiit, a *_Viper_*
What makes me giggle, after learning more about these aircraft over the years, is that the F-14 were so fuel-hungry that the A-4 could have beaten the F-14 on fuel alone just by being evasive and using the terrain.
As a fan though, I love these scenes. The noise, music and images are like nothing else.
Goose the man of reason, best friend and STILL Mavericks ego got the better him 😂😂
Always loved the lines "jesus this guy's good "! Then Viper "damn this kids good"!
Viper wanted to teach Maverick a lesson in teamwork. Jester and Viper both worked as a team to 'kill' Maverick, Viper was the bait; he tossed and threw his a-4 all over the sky Maverick couldn't resist and went after him. After the chase, Jester came behind the F -14 and 'shot' Maverick out of the sky.
So ice man gets to be number one and Maverick is trailing at number two but many years later we see in the sequel to top gun that iceman is quite ill and Maverick still has his health, so who is really the winner here? This is why it pays not to be jealous
“Great. He’s probably saying holy shit it’s Maverick and Goose.” 🤣👍🏽
"hes too close for missiles goose, im switching to guns"
somebody make me this gottam t-shirt
This movie came out in 1986 and it was the best recruiting tool the Navy ever had.
they did all the stuff for free. The studio only had to pay for the fuel. This is was still a quite large proportion of the budget of the movie.
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3:09 damn this kid's good!