The Invisible Universe that Surrounds Us with Dr. Dave Pooley
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- Опубликовано: 1 май 2024
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Go to SaveChandra.org and act now to help save X-ray astronomy.
Chandra is the vanguard of the global field of X-ray astronomy, and a bridge to a brighter future for high energy astrophysics, which includes visionary mission concepts like Lynx, Athena, many fantastic Probe-scale proposals, concepts from our global partners, etc.
Chandra is healthy, efficient, and has possibly more than a decade of life left. Premature cancellation of the mission would likely trigger a death spiral in X-ray astronomy, both nationally and even perhaps globally
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Thanks John for spreading the word about how to help save Chandra. As a Canadian citizen I am unable to lobby congress but at least I can show my support through signing the community letter.
Anything helps! Share the website and this video with your friends in the states.
Thank you for doing this episode, I wouldn't have known about this without your coverage. I sure wish I could vote more directly on how my country uses my tax money.
You can help by following the steps on savechandra.org it would be a great help for the telescope
@@EventHorizonShow Awesome! Thank you! I hope we can make a difference
Agree. Wars. Student loan forgiveness. ACA with 50% obesity rates...
I quit working for money at 38. Lost interest
I wish we were a direct democracy, like Switzerland. Of course, seeing how much of the population is insane and/or imbeciles...
Nah, still would be better to have a true democracy.
@@TylerAnderson-fv9jh How do you survive?
I emailed my congressman, thanks for shedding light onto this JMG!
You remind me of Art Bell from Coast to Coast AM but you know actual real science
I don't know, I can think of at least one crackpot whose been a guest on John's show.
@@brick6347 yeah but at least they try to back up their clames with science. artbell for as much as I loved his show he would take ANYONE so long as they had some crazy claim about ghost or aliens.
Leave Art Bell alone or you’ll be haunted by flying humanoids!
@@vinnerdinner 🤣🤣🤣🤣
2% less science 80% more war the world is in a bad place
And all of those wars have been set in motion by the US deep state.
Complain to comrades Putin and XI! I as a European understand that we have to fight those dictators, if we want to be alive in order to explore space.
Yet you’ll vote for Biden again.
@@friedrichjunztand they say Americans have terrible education.
@@friedrichjunzt you can.. I'm sick of paying for war..
Gonna be honest, I misread the thumbnail as “Peeing Into the Invisible Universe” lol
That's basically how I feel when I have to use a porta-potty.
While I don’t love NASA budget cuts, the fact that they’re willing to essentially put all the cost savings on Chandra sort of screams that people that know more than us feel like we’re getting the least value there. It kinda sounds like we’ve gotten 25 years of good data, seen kind of enough xrays for now, and don’t really need a bunch more postdocs inventing new reasons to look at more X-ray data without much new substance coming from it. Insisting that the Chandra postdoc community must be saved despite this sounds a bit like not seeing the forest for the trees.
No, what's frustrating is that it seems the only source of money is the feds.
From another conversation this site:
Why not allow NASA programs to get funding directly from ordinary citizens? Or have space-themed postage stamps help support space research? And make sure people know themed postage stamps help support the theme?
Reply:
You just described the concept of private charities funding public works. Perfectly reasonable. But it also exposes the irrelevance of most state run projects. You don't need coercive state debt and tax funding for astrophysics or anything else. But let's start with low hanging fruit like this.
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Friendly One to @r0sal3sr: Some private nonprofits becomes VERY profitable (think the Red Cross). We don't need to reinvent the wheel. Postage stamps would take an act of congress (but maybe an easy act when we push it as an effective way to learn what's important to voters), but we should be able to "adopt" a satellite, & do a Go Fund Me now.
Every astronomical and science themed RUclips and other broadcast platforms could promote it.
I bet we could help Chandra's promoters accumulate an embarrassment of riches.
Your episodes get me grounded. You make much more sense than the rest of the work right now. Thank you.
It’s a hard time out there. We are happy the show helps people relax and learn something.
Let's be clear here, the cuts mostly impact the funding for post docs and their grants, not the actual operation of Chandra. Everyone is going to have to cut, this is no different.
Chandra functioning without the post docs processing its revelations, is a complete waste of that functioning.
@@friendlyone2706 Don't sell me there isn't a ton of fat on that payroll. Everyone outside who has ever looked into this kind of program knows this. I'm not saying shut it down, just focus on a few high value initiatives that actually produce results.
Cannot get over how much Dr. Pooley sounds like Adam Scott. I had to keep telling myself this was not Adam Scott talking. 🤣 thanks for the great episode
and Sean Carroll
Is that the guy from MASH? If so i thought that too. Then i was expecting Radar to turn up. Then i couldn't get the MASH theme tune out my head and had to restart.
Just googled it. I was wrong.
This channel is thought-provoking and calming. I love it.
Just signed the letter. Thanks to the Event Horizon team for bringing this to my attention. Thanks to John and Dr Pooley too for making this case so strongly. A love of astronomy and science is what brought me to this channel, like so many others from around the world- if we can harness that passion to argue for sensible funding for an instrument that would otherwise be thrown away while still working - we are doing something worthwhile.
Cheers John salute from Toronto this channel has influenced me to want a telescope to bring on my cannoe/hiking trips in Northern Canada where there's no light pollution
A good pair of binoculars with a tripod gets you a long way. Easier to bring, and can be used in the daytime aswell.
@BozoBear1 what kind of binoculars that's a good idea 🙃
Only where to cut budget elsewhere...?
Maybe check that Lunar mission where the Spaceship can't even reach Earth so far?
Just saw the title on the picture at a glance and thought it said “peeing into the invisible universe” instead of “peering”. Would have been an equally fascinating interview no doubt 🤣🤣🤣
Brilliant interview, John! Thanks a bunch!!!
I really hope Chandra keeps going to many decades!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
We can not have infinite debt growth and shrinking GDP. It's all going to end because nobody wants to face reality
Yeah 34 Trillion debt. USA is broke.
This pooy sounds entitled!
I’m sorry I’m late, I just got a 1989 Chrysler lebaron. I was under it trying to hammer out the major problems, and this opossum ran up and started making a bunch of had signals. I don’t know what what what was going on, but I’m on the couch, because it spread out on my bed.
The $40 mil they cut from the Chandra budget is less than 0.002% of NASA's 2024 budget. That's a drop in the bucket. But that's government logic for you. 🙄
All those pennies add up to $32 trillion dollars.
Now 34 Trillion. Interest is out of control.
I'm just constantly falling into event horizon with john michael godier
Chandra and money... sometimes I don't know what on earth people, politicians and planners are thinking. For instance, Boston's big dig is a 4 mile freeway that cost (adjusted for inflation) $21.5 billion, and everyone thinks this a jolly good thing indeed. You can drive your SUV from your suburban home to a Walmart 3 minutes faster. California High Speed Rail will connect two of the USA's largest cities in under 3 hours, and cost $11.2 billion, half, and that's communism or something. Return on Investment is more subjective than I thought, I guess. Sigh.
It's because politicians are concerned only with re-election, not the needs of their constituents. It would be nice if the things that are important got funded because of the benefit to all of us, but your typical politician will not be moved to action unless they see personal near-term benefits for themselves. So, let's let 'em know we *want* this and they will see the benefit to potential re-election in backing something popular.
Corruption 101
Well said my man. Well said. It’s pathetic and short-sighted.
You put them through the best schools, you find the best scientific minds to work on it, it produces world class data furthering scientific endeavors in related field, vastly expanding the field of x-ray observation, and our understanding of the universe, and some bureaucratic bean counter always decides to cut the budget for things they can't make TV commercials about
Maybe, just maybe.. Black holes and their accretion discs are the massive generators that power the expansion of the universe? 🤔😜
Dr. Dave Pooley souds exactly like Jack Packard from Red Letter Media/Second Wind 😂
This is the only channel i joined to become a member because i love this shit
Thank you Ozzy!!! It helps us make the show.
61 bln for useless wars that are already lost, shut up and take our money! But 70 mln to keep an mission going that actually benefits humanity, no can do!
I think the blame is going to the wrong place here. Blaming congress for NASAs priorities not being on CHANDRA is missing the mark.
The NASA budget for 2024 is $24.875 billion.
If NASA kept the $71 million budget for CHANDRA they would be left with $24.804 Billion.
CHANDRA is about a quarter of 1% of the total budget.
How am I supposed to fall asleep to 30 minute episodes
Extraordinary proofs must be extraordinarily funded!
John is there anywhere I can listen to the Event Horizon theme music uncut? I’d like to put it on loop when I go to bed at night. Another fantastic and spellbinding show by the way - Thanks!!
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Great video and information M
Imagine if politicians were denied work in lavish leathers, fabrics and expensive cars and locations, forced to work in cubicles, wearing coveralls with their name on the back, where they're from and their rank. And ALL that stolen wealth, that's wasted on individuals that mostly sit on their ass all day long... got invested into science and NASA by proxy. We're talking billions upon billions of dollars, wasted on old farts who shouldn't be even in the position to decide for the world of the young in the first place. The turtle, being rank supreme in that category, one foot in the grave, the other in the open door towards undermining everything positive for the country. For shame. For shame that politicians are allowed to do as they please, which in term allows to do budget cuts on some of the most important things US is doing right now.
I am British - I can't lobby the US Congress. However I will sign the community letter - when you think of the vast wealth of the USA - funding Chandra is a no-brainer. The spacecraft is operational and delivering cutting edge research at bargain basement prices.
40 million for peace 300 billion for war
No this is a major issue why in the world would an already launched satellite need 70 million year? Even 30 a million a year sounds insane for a 30 year old already launched satellite…
While researching this I see scientists complaining but not one explanation logically of why they need that much money a year.. Thats billions over the life of the satellite where is that money going? Scientists don’t cost 70 million a year on payrolls
@@Josecannoli1209space is expensive, ya twat
How does $40m buy peace?
I'm guessing it's more like 40 million for 20 people to fly around the world, stay in 5 star hotels and attend confrences while a few interns translate and distribute the data coming from an existing telescope that needs no physical maintenance.
@@Josecannoli1209 exactly.
LONG time subscriber of your JMG channel. Just now finding out about this one. Why havent you ever mentioned it before in any of your videos? I got a full baglog to watch now so thats dope
We need to get better at cross promotion but he does mention it quite often.
And you do have quite a lot to catch up on!
@@EventHorizonShow funny the last video is the first time I noticed him mention it. Maybe I should watch more of the outro
its crazy to bin chandra, is it not the only space Xray telescope?
Strange quesion; who makes your soundtrack. I lovs it!
I bet India could do it for the reduced budget, or even less! If the full funding line item fails... could we outsource the "xray great observatory" to a less expensive space program?
All of the best projects are too important to depend on a congressional budget line item.
This is a good lesson that astrophysics and other science needs to separated from flippant state funding. Separate science and state.
Is that bumper music derived from Wicked Game by Chris Isaak?
Im sure its already been said but ill say it here also.. you’d be better off using your time to get a New one up there so it can get a line item. Efficient- no… practical - no.. but how budgets work - yes.
Consider what I have seen on college campuses recently, I’m not sure a cut of more than 30% should have been done.
It’s meant to push scientists into the private market, so that their expertise can be used to make donors/capital owners wealthy. That’s how our economy works.
Neutron stars are my favorite!
Doing god's work!
Is there a negative political history between NASA and the Chandra committee?
I kinda wonder if making Chandra bear the cuts was a political move, to create enough uproar that Congress would back down and restore funding, instead of spreading cuts evenly or putting the cuts on a useless over-budget and behind-schedule program like SLS. I've seen that tactic used at smaller scales in my profession, and it works; It's what I'd do if I were running NASA.
Why not direct emails and petitions directly to the president? If NASA is truly answerable to him, couldn't he at least mitigate the impact of the budget cuts to Chandra, request that the cuts be spread more evenly? I mean, he's facing an election and he could theoretically do this with a phone call.
It's a shame that science funding is becoming a popularity contest, and Chandra is an aging beauty queen.
But then they sent 62 billion in Ukraine!
I want a strong National Defense. But how do we expect to provide for good National Security when we won't fund and promote science?
Had to get up and change channels, bloody infomercials
Well who put The Dementia patient in the Whitehouse 😅
If you want more money for science here at home, then quit voting for people who send $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to other countries.
Agreed! Although that rules out everyone except perhaps Cornel West, Jill Stein and Claudia De La Cruz. Even if you're fortunate enough to reside in a state where those candidates achieve ballot access, without ranked-choice voting they are essentially just protest votes. Really a revolution towards public funding of elections and ranked-choice voting is required. Organizing against the system is obscenely hard and voter-shaming in the meantime is counterproductive, insular Clinton-speak! 👍 Not that I think your comment is voter-shaming, I'm just sayin'.
Seems odd to be advocating for politicians to have more control over a science budget - might backfire.
Explain your thoughts, and specifically how you can remove politicians, congress, from having control?
@@EventHorizonShow, if it is a line item on the budget then congress is requiring that amount of money to be spent on that specific purpose. If it is not a line item then it is part of the general budget allocation which makes it then up to NASA to decide how much to spend on it. Congress is politicians, NASA is not.
The potential for backfire is that if congress is deciding what specific things to spend money on then it may be influenced by more by political considerations than by scientific considerations e.g. a project might be based in someone's congressional district or maybe it is just who is making the most noise.
Furthermore, it is possible that someone who has some other preferred scientific project (e.g. sample return) may make a similar appeal to this one and result in the allocation to this project being reduced in order to increase the other project.
I would be more comfortable with these types of decisions being made by NASA than congress.
@@EventHorizonShow , and how to remove congress? By having as few line items as possible and having as much as possible funded out of a general allocation that NASA has the discretion to manage.
How about people donate themselves. USA is broke: 34 Trillion. +1 trillion every 3 months of interest. We are sunk.
Gee it almost feels like the control group want to limit our abilities ....
Came here for science. Got budgets.
You’d think someone with a good cat profile picture would have a better comment to make.
@@EventHorizonShowhow about 1 single explainable answer about why a 30 year old satellite that has been launched already needs 70 million a year… pay roll and facility’s don’t remotely cost that much so I have 0 sympathy until someone actually explains why that much money is even needed. Thank god they cut the budget because this sounds like massive miss management of funds
@@Josecannoli1209 I can explain it. 70 million per year operating costs is on the low end for a space telescope. Right now Hubble's running on a budget of 98 million per year and also facing a more modest reduction of its own, and James Webb at 187 million per year. You have to remember, there are not just scientists involved here. The research scientists often get their grant money based on their research itself, the telescope is just the instrument they book time on. But with a space telescope you need a facility, a team of in house scientists, a team of engineers and a team of programmers to deal with all of the technical aspects of the instrument just to keep it operating.
call your congressman and if you don't have a 100 Grand to donate your voice is nothing
Stop running foreign wars 26:39
Last I checked our economy is in a shit whole this sounds like 40 million more dollars that needs cut.
oooh this poor scientist gets his funding cut... man what an unfair world....
He sounds like an entitled @!%.
Let me be clear, I love the science, I want the science to continue.
The fact that scientists don't understand the lack of meritocracy that governmental funding provides, and the lack of public trust from bad governmental funding, and the lack of understanding of the economic impacts, is strong indicator that the understanding in science is in strong decline.
You shouldn't have to beg congress to fund good science, just as you shouldn't have to beg congress to fund bad science, or to not fund regime change wars all over the world.
You don't need a PhD in economics, in fact today a PhD in economics indicates you probably don't understand economics, to understand why governmental funding of science is bad for science.
Natural selection is inherently and immutably meritocratic, and natural selection doesn't only pertain to life and ecosystems.
Science institutions are failing because governmental funding is memetic eugentics.
I don’t know that dangerous is the right word. Frustrating, inconvenient, hurtful, but hardly dangerous.
All sorts of people and businesses sometimes need to deal with a 30% income reduction (or more) with little notice. I think some incredibly privileged scientists and students will make it.
I am sorry your budget got cut, I wouldn’t have done that, but the language is a bit silly.
Why not allow NASA programs to get funding directly from ordinary citizens? Or have space-themed postage stamps help support space research? And make sure people know themed postage stamps help support the theme?
You just described the concept of private charities funding public works. Perfectly reasonable. But it also exposes the irrelevence of most state run peojects. You dont need coersive state debt and tax funding for astrophysics or anything else. But let's start with low hanging fruit like this.
@@r0sal3sr Some private nonprofits becomes VERY profitable (think the Red Cross). We don't need to reinvent the wheel. Postage stamps would take a act of congress (but maybe an easy act when we push it as an easy way to learn what's important to voters), but we should be able to "adopt" a satellite, do a Go Fund Me now.
Every astronomical and science themed RUclips and other broadcast platforms could promote it.
I bet we could help them accumulate an embarrassment of riches.
@@friendlyone2706 It's not reinveting the wheel. As you say, there are BIG non-profits out there. Even for-profit science megaproject grant companies are possible. But going to congress and expecting different resultshas been returning inconsistant results for decades.
I was just reminded in another Event Horizon episode how the Viking lander labeled release experiment was never followed up due to a change in administration.
It's OK to let go of a bad funding model when there are so many good ones we use everyday.
Unfortunately, due to the lack of any accountability of our current administration, we are now in a position that cuts will be needed. And yes. We might lose some jobs. Some fields and some tools. This is the cost of when the government gets too large and takes control of the peoples. Instead of We the People, it is now, We, the federal liberal "leadership" takes us. We are going to have to throw a lot of money back into this country. And.. This will probably cost us at least one, maybe two generations of being any kind of competitors to be working in the world today.
If we do not do this now, then there will be no tomorrow for any of this to even happen one day. I will opt for the fight a different day and let us get our country back with a strong infrastructure and an army of well educated fresh minds that are capable of learning again. It is time.
what's frustrating is that it seems the only source of money is the feds.
From another conversation this site:
Why not allow NASA programs to get funding directly from ordinary citizens? Or have space-themed postage stamps help support space research? And make sure people know themed postage stamps help support the theme?
Reply:
You just described the concept of private charities funding public works. Perfectly reasonable. But it also exposes the irrelevance of most state run projects. You don't need coercive state debt and tax funding for astrophysics or anything else. But let's start with low hanging fruit like this.
Reply
Friendly One to @r0sal3sr: Some private nonprofits becomes VERY profitable (think the Red Cross). We don't need to reinvent the wheel. Postage stamps would take an act of congress (but maybe an easy act when we push it as an effective way to learn what's important to voters), but we should be able to "adopt" a satellite, & do a Go Fund Me now.
Every astronomical and science themed RUclips and other broadcast platforms could promote it.
I bet we could help Chandra's promoters accumulate an embarrassment of riches.
It's like no-one understands compound interest / debt.
USA OWES 34 TRILLION! WE ARE SCREWED.
The title promises the ''Invisible Universe" - the video..... gives all except that: budget & bureachracy. Instead of the Universe ... it shows us the backhead of senators.
No surprise if the programs are cut. Whith that 'ability' to deliver as promised - don't use one.more.cent. on that. ;- )
If they really want to see the Invisible Realms they need to Develop their Minds & Spirits to See them & not waste money on Technology that will never be able to perceive beyond their Limited 3 dimensional thinking...
I was hoping to learn more about Chandra and its accomplishments, not about government funding and talking down the Hubble.
Maybe ask Ukraine for funds?
Find a way to use Chandra for climate change research. Or better yet, put a transgender scientist in charge of it. Either way, the government will quadruple its budget overnight.
501 c3 Chandra X ELON COULD HELP. MMM
Clearly Dr. Pooley doesn’t know what the word “dangerous” actually means… I sympathize, I relate, and I share some frustration, but it ain’t dangerous. The Dr. would do well to understand that he works from the allowance of the taxpayers.
He is entitled. Lost all credibility with me.
Go fund me???
200+ Multi Billionaires in the U.S. Wasting Billions on yachts, twitter, and mansions. Yet not a single philanthropist to save Chandra?
It's illegal. US government agencies and programs can't usually take donations because it exceeds what Congress allocates them and thus circumvents oversight.
First?
Wow congrats will put you forward for the medal of valour mate
@@gavingreensmith1110 well, usually never happens since I am European and John uploads at times that I am in bed😅. Was kinda surprised.
@bertdemeulemeester yup am from uk myself but am a night owl. Not trying to be a d!ck, i just find it hilarious how there is always a "first" comment like its a big flex lol, so i tend to lamp the comment as i am a sarcy smegger irl.
JMG. Anna still hasn’t agreed a date for a drink with me.
I’m in love with her ❤😊
I know where you can get money from. Tax religious institutions.
Or convince the Vatican to let the Jesuits fund it.
Came for an exciting episode of event horizon, but bumped into US budget politics. F'ing boring dude.
It's sad that NASA wasted billions on Musks Folly, but a few million for basic research is too much😢
I was put off by the money complaints. I don’t listen to this channel for that. It’s not interesting. And really there are lots of more important things to spend money on than x-ray astronomy. Surely your guest would not want to snatch food from a baby for telescope time.
How about we tax the rich who control most of the wealth in the country and pay virtually no taxes. We could allocate that money to projects like this
The money would just be spent on wars and padding political pockets.
Contrary to political rhetoric -- or how their type of returns look -- the richest 1% fund over 50% of the government.
@@friendlyone2706 can you elaborate on that
70 million is nothing when we're sending off bil......you know what nevermind. 😒😒🙄😬
Learning what mysteries exist -- and always the expectation one new fact from the stars might be the clue we need on earth to solve earthly problems -- Dig deeply and eventually all knowledge is connected -- or spend gazillions more money blowing things up and killing people?
How dare you imply we peons should even have a choice?