Ryan Davis on LeBron James vs Michael Jordan GOAT Debate
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LeBron fans argue with logic while Jordan fans argue with emotions
LeBron don't have a good "fundamental"
No we argue with our eyes and the fact LeBron built super teams and still has twice as many loses than wins in the finals and he defers when it’s winning time.
@@GA-vt1hb so playing with 2 other all stars is considered a super team ?
@@taeshawnwilson6853 no. Nobody wanted Rodman and Pippen was drafted. Rodman was picked up as a free agent nobody wanted. Mike didn’t ask for anyone the GM brought Rodman in cuz that’s his job LeBron left Cleveland to team up with guys MJ never left. LeBron made those teams not the GM. That’s the difference
@GA-vt1hb because Rodman was a crash out so would you want that at first
The truth is Ryan is debating with someone who argues with emotion not logic
You can tell that dude don’t watch ..he said Paul gasol wasn’t good ..then Tried to bring wilt into the arguement to help mjs case like ..wtf ..certain ppl shouldn’t be able to talk sport 😂😂😂
and whats wrong with Wilt... or Kareem oh right because then native of longevity and the GOAT because of most points goes out of the window... since few people put Kareem over MJ due to longevity argument even though he had most points ....
Well Gasol was good but when he played with Kobe he was taught a lot of things about the game from Kobe meaning Kobe made his players better, Gasol became great and a Hall of Fame’er because of Kobe.
Wilt Probably really is closer to MJ than people realize besides Kobe, Wilt set so many records he is the strongest Center player in history he man handled guys he made the fadeaway and now everyone uses it, Wilt has the 2nd highest scoring average behind MJ and that’s because he stopped scoring on his own to help in other areas. After he retired he beat a prime Magic in a UCLA pickup game prime Wilt and Prime MJ also like I said Kobe is in that conversation
You young dudes got to learn the history man it’s a lot of players that was great and this generation learned from them
Pau Gasol scored an average of 17 points while playing as the second option for the Lakers. I wouldn't say that's particularly impressive. He was adequate, at best.
Ryan keeps giving these Jordan stans facts, yet they argue on subjective nonsense and what they "feel".
If Kobe was killing some of these dude's they saying would kill MJ, how did Kobe do against those same players they say would cook MJ😮
lebron had waaay better teammates than MJ! Make goggle your friend. lebron had more Hof, and all-star teammates than MJ ever thought of having. MJ drug roleplayers, and non-scorers to 6 Chips.lebron has played with A.D.& D-Wade. lebron should've won 8 rings with his roaster! 😂.
@user-xm5du8hu1q Look Bro. When you compare masterclass paintings, you compare a Rembrandt with a Picasso. You don't compare the guy who made a copy of a Rembrandt with a Picasso. Kobe, at his best, was a copy of MJ - a chip off the old block. That's good, but he's always ever been a "Chip". Don't get carried away by the revisionist history cause he perished too soon and tragically.
@user-xm5du8hu1q Lmao! You Jordan stans are delusional and can't be helped. You guys are lost causes. Yall like a boxer who is way past his prime, but he is still trying to make a sad comeback.
@@nyaakewebo i disagree with you but let's keep it goin'
The '' copy '' of mike got 5 rings, the original lbj 4,
So basically got a better outcome.
If a copy is more expensive than an original, do you still compare the two originals ?
You want to compare ?
Compare LeBron to Kareem
4-6 vs 6-4 / 21y 1492g vs 20y 1560g / 4mvp and 4 fmvp vs 6mvp and 2fmvp /
two times stats leader (assists, points) vs seven times stats leader ( rebounds, blocks, points) / 20y with 25ppg vs 17y with 21.5ppg /
You play to win not for stats, in this case did LeBron really pass Kareem?
Oh yeah 40 474 pts vs 38 387 pts
Let's break it down just a little bit
8390 ft vs 6712 ft / 2410 3pts vs ONE. Do your math one more year and so many 3points.
27.13 career ppg vs 24.6 career ppg
( Jordan 30.1ppg with the wizard's stats and kd something like 27.3 oh yeah and allready 16 years with more than 25 ppg but too many injuries lol)
I'm not a Jordan fan
I prefer shaq
Why people are so sure that LeBron pass Kareem in the first place they are pretty close but Kareem got more rings eleven years of individual dominance and ten years of team dominance.
Nobody's talkin about the advantage of begining the League earlier and not spending two years on the bench like Kobe ( NBA ready or not)
"Yall think some shit that never happens is supposed to happen to lebron james" ...... BARS! thats a hell of a take
It's so true. Take Durant for example. Dude has been in a Big 3 on four different teams. And only won a ring when he joined a team that was already a champion without him. LeBron dragged anyone he played with to the Finals and won Finals MVP with three different teams.
@larsonpark3819 exactly 💯 they said he played with other all stars but those all stars before LeBron never had playoff success until he showed up
Not quite. While I agree with the overall sentiment, I gotta disagree here when it's used here, in this context. Folks weren't asking or expecting him to do something that's never been done before because it's happened a few years prior with the big 3 Celtics in '08.
The white dude is the typical Jorbum fan.
Bro stop it, "Jorbum"???
@moorishamexemal-morocco4204 it's OK when yall do it? But it's a problem when we do it lol jordasion
Big facts
And the others are Lebron fanboys
You lost all credibility by calling Jordan a bum
"And it's not even close" is str8 Gospel 👑🐐 great debate Ryan 🤝🏾🥂
MJ is my fav but Bron is the Goat.
Bro that guy the Jordan fan is a clown, u see how mad he was, when the facts was thrown on his face
Yeah because he wasn't ready for facts that was being thrown in his face
He was getting cooked
Why didn’t mj drag the bulls to the finals before jerry built a team for him?! Mj wanted to win but he alone wasn’t enough, Lebron never had someone build him a team, he left to go to Miami he came back when Cleveland drafted top prospect not free agents but drafted players to trade and get love. Then came to LA with a bum ass young team and got AD and won
Ryan Davis is telling the truth but the truth is not doesn't matter anymore it's what's perceived nowadays
The media created a narrative and when I was coming up you never heard players from yesteryears trash talked only in this Lebron era so thanks to Stephan A and Skip for this mess and Lebron James because he told everyone I should be your number 1 and then took the post down.🤨
Truth you say? 4/10 if you count that bubble ring 2 losses is a sweep. 2 a gentleman’s sweep 1 of em is an old core players of Spurs.
First 2 chips he won is with top players at the time DURING their primes. He RAN to D Wade and Pat for Help.
Then choke in the Finals series. Not A GAME but for a SERIES (Finals Series) That’s your goat? That’s a fact bruh, that happened.
That’s the standard to look up to now?
Going On Another Team every time shit hits the fan ain’t gonna be
The Greatest Of All Time.
But that’s only my opinion.
Jordan is Mythical God of Basketball in Media because that's the decade of their lives MJ Didn't without Pippen similar player like LeBron James now only that people have is Jordan never loss in the Finals 6 appearance s 6 Finals MVPS and 6 championships the devil's number right and the mascot on the Team Bull 🐂 look at the horns Fuck Jordan
This guy is just a typical LeBronsexual.
That’s the key phrase - LBJ is the best to ever touch a basketball and it’s not even close. True facts. No one can do what he does on the court.
No
Mj fans only speak on opinions not facts. Ryan davis spitting nothing but facts.
Jordan is the goat 🐐 deal with it
@@puncho8799keep crying and telling yourself that. If you felt that way you wouldn't had to comment to me
@@christophergonzales2627 You’re the one that’s crying. I’m speaking the truth and you just don’t wanna hear it. But you will get over it✌🏽🤣
@@puncho8799 you keep crying to my post. Keep commenting and crying
@@christophergonzales2627 You keep crying and responding to me I wonder why 🤣
My argument for this debate is the same I had with Kobe and LeBron. It took awhile for LeBron to become better than Kobe and it took awhile for me to say that he is, but I’m fine with the fact the LeBron is better than Kobe. And LeBron is finally better than michael Jordan. It’s okay. People, especially the old heads saw Jordan score and play basketball like something they never seen before and they can’t help but keep mj up there forever. It’s okay guys. LeBron is better than Jordan. MJ can be second GOAT of all time. Ain’t nothing wrong with that tbvh. And Kobe can be third
Here's a version of how this has now swung around among some Jordan influencers (RUclipsr Jonny Arnett, for example). The original fall back was that maybe LeBron was the better/overall more impactful player, but Jordan had the better career. You had the infamous Pippen comment that LeBron may be the best all around player (which he was intimidated into taking back and talking out of both sides of his mouth), and even Skip Bayless (!) saying LeBron was the best all-around player he'd ever seen. This was what Oscar Robertson meant in 2010, when he said 'LeBron was much better than Jordan' (before LeBron had any rings, but two consecutive MVPs, a scoring title, and a Finals appearance).
Now Jonny Arnett has switched to saying LeBron actually has the greater (as in, GREATEST) career (or that we can see he'll end up with that), but that Jordan was a better player. Slowly, people are turning to agree that LeBron's career is the greatest (and that is what GOAT means, after all). It takes different things for various people to come to this conclusion, but his old Celtics rivals Kevin Garnett and even Paul Pierce gave it up after LeBron passed Kareem. David Robinson said that when LeBron passes Kareem, he'll run out of excuses to pick Jordan over him. Shaq implied the same thing.
I agree with Ryan 100%.
Hmm....Reading the comments in this thread.....folks really feel Jordan is better than Lebron who is:
Number 1 all time in scoring {40,000 points and counting)
Number 1 all time in playoff scoring and counting
Most consecutive games scoring 10 points per game (By a lot)
Most consecutive seasons averaging 25 points per game
Most all star votes all time (by tens of millions)
Most top 5 MVP voting season (all time)
4th all time in regular season assists
Most playoff assists
Most NBA Player of weeks awards (not close)
Most NBA Player of months awards (not close)
Most All NBA Seasons
Took three (3) different teams to the Finals and won Finals MVP (different coaches, sidekicks, benches, cities, owners, management - not easy)
When someone says THE BLOCK what play do you think of
When someone says CHASE DOWN BLOCK what play do you think of
Has the most YOUNGEST TO....NBA records
and now
Is getting the most OLDEST TO....NBA records
Is the youngest player to every 1,000 scoring mark in NBA history ...1000,2000, 3000, 4000 ....38,0000
and is now the Oldest and Youngest to 39,000....40,000 etc....
Most playoffs series won all time
Real close to having the most wins all time
And might end up playing the most seasons, minutes, games played all time
All that....AND MORE......and the comments in this and other threads...think its crazy that LBJ is better than Jordan.
Our kids kids kids....wouldn't understand these hot takes.....we were all witnesses!
Nice longevity stats 🤣 Jordan has game to game dominance and achievements that really matter and he has a full Hall of Fame career over LeBron 🐐💯👌🏽
I mean Rodman is considered the best rebounder yet isn’t even top 20 on the all time rebound list. Magic is considered the best pg yet isn’t the all time assist leader he isn’t even top 5. Stats never was the indicator for who is greater but LeBron fans use it because they think it helps their argument. LeBron can’t beat Jordan in what made Jordan the GOAT so now you guys have to use a different approach. The argument has always been Jordan accomplished more in less time which is still true with LeBron being in year 21
No one gave a damn about the all time scoring when Kareem made the record. Now you're suppose to care because Lebron surpassed it? Longevity stats is like a participation award, no one gives a damn.
At 8:50 mark, “add Lebron to the Nuggets… Host: “Ok”😂😂😂😂😂 priceless
He'll just gonna mess it up that nuggets team
Exactly! “Were you talking about Kareem being the best player when he had the most points”?! No. Are Lebron fans saying Kareem is #2 now? No. Karl Malone #3 scorer, do they got him as #3 or even on their top 10? No. No consistency.
Kareem played a lot weaker era
He wasn't a good play maker
He literally won 4 of his rings because of Magic
He doesn't have the longevity of lebron, Kareem was basically over in his 18th year
Lebron is still playing and already has 40k 11k 11k
And kareem literally had Oscar in his 2nd year
Use your brain before using your mouth
Kareem wasn’t big as Lebron and neither was the lead..
You do know the record wasn’t 38k when Kareem broke it, that could be another reason why nobody cared..
But, Jordan got a plaque for 30k and he wasn’t even the first player to reach 30k
Your point is invalid, sir lol
Ryan and I are completely on the same page with the exception of "it's not even close". I believe LeBron is the best player ever, but I've got Jordan and Kareem on the same tier as they both have GOAT resumes.
Name the players jordan guarded that was better then the people bron has had to go against
6-0 > 4-6 is more impressive
Naw quitting twice is despicable
As a white man we do not claim this mans lack of basketball knowledge or worse his ignorance of his lack of basketball knowledge
Ryan given facts other buddy speaking with emotion
That dallas team is severely underrated
Thank u they had the hardest path and won against what people themed the superteam they were a fucking problem
@marvyae23 alot of people don't really watch basketball or understand it so they just say shit off of feelings
But at the end of the day Miami was still the favorite and a super team
@@suntansuperman26 which makes dallas even more impressive
@@marvyae23 Yea the win was impressive. I remember watching it and was glad they won seeing how Wade and LeBron mocked Dirk for being sick
jorbum fans always up in their feelings when hearing facts about bron
Lebron never played on a dynasty and only has 4 rings compared to kobe and Jordan who actually had dynasties
Ryan Davis just became my favorite person to listen just cause we speak the same lebron language ✊🏽
LeBron also has the most turnovers, most shots taken and about to have the most shots missed plus even though he has the most points in history, Jordan still owns the highest PPG in history. Jordan just did more in less time.
He actually scored more points than Jordan with less shots
@@KingBossDawg2more 3s made too and attempted
The white guy riding Jordan is crazyyyy
Dude with the beard just proves mj fans dont know shit about basketball
That guy with the backwards hat is insane
Fair conversation.... RD absolutely demolished this debate... i mean flawless victory... this wasn't fair this was an absolute destruction
Havlicek was 8-0 in the finals and nobody says he's the GOAT, the 6-0 finals record doesn't mean you can drag subpar players deep into the playoffs or the finals. If Hue Hollins didn't call that phantom foul on Pippen, the Bulls would've gone to the final WITHOUT Jordan band possibly won!!
Maybe so, but if they weren't robbed by that call, that would have put them in the ECF, where they'd need to also win to make the Finals. They didn't almost make the Finals, just the ECF.
This is how stupid our youth have become...
Like Ad bosh and love wasn’t perinatal Allstars wtf 😂😂😂😂
What are we talking about tho before or after they played with Lebron? Because it’s a huge difference gang 🤷♂️
@@Cornell_Alvarez99 they were Allstars before and while playing with James it’s non debatable
@@kylonp7311 don’t give me that bullshit because if Kevin love was good then why’d he average 8 points in the 2016 finals Hmm? Kevin love was average at best when he was in Cleveland. Love me some Chris Bosh but he wasn’t built for the heat culture like he was supposed to be….so that ain’t Lebrons fault. I’m tired of niggas trying to make cases for Kevin Love and Chris Bosh, they were good players before they got to Lebron while puttin up good stats on horrible teams. Ad on the other hand….I gotta higher chance of busting a nut on Jeanie buss Face before this nigga plays a full seasons worth of basketball 💀… these niggas were Allstar players props to them but if they were so good then why didn’t we get the same results pre Lebron hmm? Cmon man stop it! I don’t even like Lebron James like that but Stevie wonder can see that shit 💀
@@kylonp7311The numbers were worse when they played with Bron. Love avg less points in the finals than Jr smith. Is smith an allstar. Other than Ad, his SUPERSTAR teammates, were in their declining years. Jordans Superstars were in their prime.
@@jezzerdee dude kyrie love bosh wade ad we’re all prime when they joined lebum scam with the excuses no player is on the decline at age 25 26 27 that’s the prime of there career no how about everyone who plays with lebum numbers go dwn lebum makes everyone spot up shooters like love bosh and kyrie for example before love and bosh played with lebum they avg over 20ppg while playing with lebum they avg under 20ppg deal wit it goofy😂😂😂😂
When Jordan fans get beat they just repeat the same thing over and over. lol
Allen Iverson showed us who mike was.. as he got up off the ground he knew his time was up.
This is why Kobe is not considered the greatest.. whenever you bring up the Mavs swept the defending champion lakers, people try to ignore it and say Lebron should’ve won 😂😂😂😂
Dude with the beard is so emotional like a broad and thinks just because he yells and uses profanity, he is right. Lebron is the goat
Ryan is right , rookie ai gave Jordan 37 … he would be a typical player it todays game
We dnt judge nba players on all time stats we judge basketball players on yr to yr awards and per game stats it’s non debatable
It's not easier to score. Players' skills today make it look easier.
No. It’s the rules that make it easier. The fact they dont call carries and travels say so. Almost every crossover today would be a turnover before Allen Iverson. Pretty much the Globe trotter were doing everything happening today 40 years ago.
Players today legit travel like mad and doesn’t get called for it. They have a lot of freedom that past players didn’t have, that’s it
THE JORDAN GOAT CASE DONT MAKE SENSE.MOVE ON ALREADY
When Ryan Davis made that "Kevin Durant Defense wins Championships" diss video. He gave the reason why MJ is the GOAT over Lebron. He seems too intelligent not to know this.
Ryan articulated his points well, but he was off on several things. The Peja point was odd. He was nowhere near his prime when he was on the Mavs. He averaged 0.5 ppg in the finals and barely played that series. Why bring up his Sacramento stats from years earlier? Bottom line is, yes the Mavs were the better and more complete team, but Lebron severely underperformed. He was outscored by Bosh and Wade in that series. They could have won if he played to his standards.
5 mins into the video i knew this ryan dude didnt know what he was talkin bout
When he brought up FG% I'm pretty sure everyone tuned him out.
because he was bringing up facts?
Everything he said was a fact
Ryan has done his homework
Unintelligent Mj fanboys
U see how they try to water down the mavs Tyson Chandler just rebounded n played defense lol like dude didnt win dpoy
Miami was not even supposed to be in the Finals in 2011, Boston was. Only reason Miami made it is because LeBron went OFF that series. Meanwhile Dallas SWEPT the 2time defending Lakers, gentleman SWEPT OKC (who made the Finals the NEXT year). I still think Miami should have won, if LeBron played like he did vs the Celtics and Bulls
LeBron James played harder competition
Lebum also had a kyrie avg in 28 and getting 40 points in that 3-1 comback something mj didn’t have
Draymond getting suspended also helped lmao
lebron get momentum from kyrie on that comeback
Keep crying
But here’s the crazy part about that series. People look at 73 wins and Cavs being down 3-1 and think damn the Warriors was putting it on them and Jordan himself never faced that. But the funny part is I don’t think Jordan would even be down 3-1 to that team. That Warriors team didn’t even perform better than the ‘93 Suns. 2016 Warriors had 3 players averaging 15+ ppg, 1993 Suns had 4 players doing that. Curry the leading scorer only averaged 22 ppg, Thompson 19 ppg and Green 16 ppg that’s 57 points between their top scorers. On the other hand Barkley had 27 ppg, KJ and Majerle both had 17 ppg and Dumas 15 ppg, that’s 76 points between their top scorers and Jordan averaged 41 ppg on them setting a record that’s still standing mind you
Bron also lead both team n all 5 major categories plus back to back 40 piece but yes kyrie
Grant hill was giving mj buckets to
This way u cant argue wit mj fans 🤣🤣🤣
I saw both eras. The only era I haven't seen was Wilts. But seeing the stats I can tell you Wilt Chamberlain should have won more MVPs and more championships, the reason why he didn't was because players voted back then, they didn't like him, and those Celtics teams triple teamed him.
The Jordan era is really sus. Because he was very great but the league rigged its rules to greatly enhance his game, to the point where he couldn't be challenged. The Jordan we saw in the Olympics wasn't the same Jordan in the NBA. Barkley was the leading scorer of that team, Jordan was and is the greatest of that generation but those games in the Olympics were let's say more of an honest refed game. He wasn't so unworldly like he was in the NBA.
Ryan makes great points, Jordan as unbelievable as he was couldn't take a team with Charles Oakley, Orlando Woolridge to the playoffs and just win a game a series. He couldn't even get out of the 8th seed. But if you put Jordan on an already 50 win team then it's just like putting Kevin Durant on the warriors.
LeBron dragged bums to the finals. So did Wilt. Kareem, Magic, Bird, Russell, Kobe had stacked teams.
This white bearded guy was roasted by facts of ryan davis
Always love when they say Pippen saved MJ.. WTF?! Pippen was drafted only 3 years later.. and he sucked his first 4 years. DWade, AD, Kyree etc all owe LeBron their life for dragging them to championship..
He needed to debate someone who knows the stats because they would destroy him.
By the way tell Leflop the Joker said hi 🤣🤣🤣
Tell jordasion bird said hi😂😂😂
@@jamesmatushin5457 he did he said hi Larry can you hold on to my 6 rings 😂😂😂
@@jamesmatushin5457 and then LeBron said Michael can I borrow 2 rings 🤣🤣🤣
@@jamesmatushin5457 just freindly debate my Freind ✌🏽and ❤️
Michael Jordan is objectively better than LBJ… The guys arguing for MJ don’t know enough
Subjectively…
No jordan is better and it's not even close
Casual take Ryan Davis
Nobody with 6Ls is better than jordan
Lebron never guarded 1-5 his fans make stuff up😂
If MJ was playing with someone who played hoops on his level, he would just shift into another gear and will his team to play better. Stop it, Ryan. LeBron isn't better than MJ.
Mj control the game lbj control who's coming who's go out le gm😂
Michael Jordan dominated the league , lebron dominated a conference , and had dynasty’s built on his watch .
Damn that was a good point
Your team goes to finals because those people made their path to greatness... became maybe the best player that year because they are together. that makes the Bulls unstoppable. MJ made his teammate great when he is in Bulls. MJ the GOAT.
what did he do in the 80s
@@andreasmakoben2455win a lot of individual awards
And a lot of losing, so the awards are not that impressive
@@andreasmakoben2455That’s like saying LeBron’s first 2 MVPs aren’t impressive because he didn’t win. Funny enough Jordan spent 5 years in the 80’s and won more accolades than LeBron who spent 6 years in the 00’s
40k 11k 11k = GOAT .
Accumulative stats don’t speak on per game , per season dominance . That’s all Lebronze can do is play as long as possible , rest on D , stat pad . Don’t make you the greatest 😂. Longevity is a category but not the only thing .
@@kauffamn1016
Lebron’s prime was dope too …
Everybody has a prime , only a few have longevity and ONLY Lebron been great
from start to finish
Mike at 39 was not n the playoffs
Kobe either lol
@@St._Matthew difference was mj had knee surgery first season , then they were on the way to playoffs but he got injured . Oh he also didn’t join a lakers team and beg for a top 3 nba player in AD either . Always a stipulation when Lebronze comes to town . Strings always attached. And he been their six years and failed miserably , 1 Disney bubble ring n wich was during pandemic , a lot of teams stayed home with their family , and Lebronze saw opportunities to get a cheap ring . Nice try tho.
@@kauffamn1016 AD , Kyrie , Jr Smith , Shumpert , Howard , Love and whoever else hasn’t won outside of being a Lebron teammate .
Ty Lue hasn’t won without Lebron
Frank Vogel hasn’t won without Lebron
Mike NEVER won a playoff game without Pippen …
Mike NEVER won without Phil Jackson…
Phil went on to win 5 more times without Mike though lol
@@St._Matthew terrible take , doesn’t prove Lebronze is a better basketball player than mj . Mj just does everything better , and he was more consistent. Just a winner . Mj never team hopped and fired coaches , it makes Lebronze look worse honestly lol…. AD was a franchise superstar top 3 n the nba when Lebronze agreed to go to the lakers 6 years ago as long as ad joined , and they’ve failed to deliver except a Mickey mouse ring during a pandemic n wich most teams stayed home with their families , Lebronze joined a superstar fmvp who already won a chip in d wade , and had to bring another franchise superstar to the team n bosh , and he choked in 09,10 and super choked in 2011 . 2014 got embarrassed … he hasn’t won an mvp n his 30s or a defensive all nba team in his 30s… I mean dude , way too many shortcomings n this guys career . Let’s be honest here
give me 10 scoring titles and 1 dpoy and then we can talk who is better
ryan was spitting facts until he said that 2011 heat team shouldn't have beat dallas... any self-respecting bron fan can even admit he choked on that one
It’s funny how Ryan gives compelling arguments and they wanted to hit him with BUT DOES HE HAS KILLER INSTINCTS LIKE MJ
Honestly, MJ is the GOAT and lj is as good as done, there's nothing he can do to surpass MJ, he is done. Longevity and padded stats is good, but not great to take the seat from the real GOAT.
real goat only one with a select people 😂how are you the greatest when u always had a side kick
Mike use to kill Paul pierce
Bron is behind Kobe in the GOAT debate.
If you wanna support jordan, put logical point against logical points
Not just "HOW CAN YOU"
He had no logical points, thats why he resorted to that. The man scoffed at Pau Gasol lmao clearly doesnt even watch basketball
Bro ya’ll have the weakest arguments for Lebron, Lebron has had more help than ANY SUPERSTAR IN HISTORY
Kevin Durant too
This historicaly false everyone you name was out there prime except wade kyrie and ad try again
for starters Jordan had the greatest coach and the greatest general manager of all time now do you want us to go down his roaster
@@MannysTechWorldPhil was a rookie when he took over, y’all act as if he already had a HOF coaching career before Jordan. Pippen and Grant were rookies coming off the bench when Jordan got them, Paxson was a bench player for the Spurs averaging 6 ppg before coming to Chicago. Guys legacies grew with Jordan, just because he made it work doesn’t mean he had this advantage. Meanwhile LeBron gets a pass and praised for teaming up with other teams all star players. I wonder how y’all would feel if Jordan left to team up with established stars
Name me any player in the NBA that has 10 scoring titles name me besides MJ who has tennis scoring titles in the NBA name me one after my case
Facts on your Jordan take now name me a player to have 40k points
Devin Booker would give MJ buckets? TF?
He would, every time. Mitch Richmond always gave Mike buckets. Allen Houston as well.
Mj would do the same in return and did
@Ace-fe8gc Allen Houston barely did anything. Where did his career go? How many MVPs? How many championships run?? Shut up
@@Ace-fe8gcstop the cap I'm from Chicago and watched ever bulls games starting in 89 And Devin Booker isn't strong enough or quick enough to give Jordan problems or bucket's. Jordan was an elite defender lead the league in steals 3 yrs in a row. Jordan played against Mitch Richmond and was 13-4 all time, yes he gave MJ buckets but he never dominated MJ and MJ dominated the whole team and still had more points than Mitch did after every game and beat Mitch more times. Allan Houston never dominated MJ when they played and yes everyone gets scored on sometimes but even at 33 34 MJ was still elite defender and y'all bringing up players who were 10 yrs younger with more youth and energy to spare. You understand the physical abuse MJ went through in his early years in the league from multiple teams especially the pistons and still averaged 30+. Allan Houston was 5-16 vs Jordan in his career so where was the buckets he was giving mj. Do your research before you hand pick player's you think gave MJ problems.
Yall slow
That’s his fault he jumped from team to team
Your LeBron James is blaming his teammates if he loses a playoff series but not Jordan....
Subjective in terms of individual stats.. he is better. Jordan is better in feelings and emotions
Name those teams in the West better than the Lakers in 08, 09, 10...
His dumbass said the Nuggets...
Treated Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, Ron Artest, Trevor Ariza and Derek Fisher like bums while being coached by Phil Jackson...
Y’all wanna believe a comic with no neck yea ok 😂
Jordan is the GOAT. 6>4, 5 mvps, 10 scoring titles, DPOY, 9 first team all defense.
Ryan is telling the truth. It’s just not politically correct to ever say MJ isn’t the goat
This debate needs to end…the soft ass nba now where everyone shoots threes and play no defense
Lakers down 2-0 to the Nuggets with the "GOAT" crying about replays brought me here.
Everyone tries to crucify kd but brons move was just as weak. Him wade and bosh were the top 3 free agents that year and teaming up with them moved his best competition out of his way basically and he still failed to do what he said he would in miami.
They shouldn’t have lost to Dallas he need to stop
Most of the NBA players chose Jordan as the GOAT... That says a lot...
U said it, Most!! Not all.
LeBron has great longevity stats, but Jordan has a full Hall of Fame career over LeBron 🐐💯👌🏽
Jordan shoulda won when he was 45 if he so great
Imagine choking on jordan that hard.
He never won without pippen and he's never beat larry bird even once. Guys like curry kyrie luka would be giving jordan the work. Lebron would drive down the lane and bully him.
Lesteroid is ranked between 10 and 15 at best. Based solely on his achievements, there is a case to be made for placing him in the top 3. However, if his winning record and skill set are taken into consideration, he falls somewhere between 10 and 15.
Ok, firstly, MJ played 1.5 years on the Wizards on a bad knee. What was Jordan's fg percentage during his Bulls days, 50.5. He came into the season out of shape due to broken ribs in the pre season. In the 20 games prior to his injury he averaged 27,6,6 and in the 10 games before his injury he averaged 29,6,6. Secondly, what are LeBron's career per game averages vs other SF? This takes the pure longevity accumulation of stats out of the picture. Thirdly, the East was very weak during LeBron's run, also Wade is better than Pippen and Bosh was better than Horace. Every player on the Bulls were role players accept for Scottie. If you don't think so, look up their career averages. Fourtly, the Bulls won because Jordan demeanor made the Bulls into a great team once the got rid of the druggies from his first 3 seasons. But he took even those players to the playoffs in the tougher conference. That's why they could win 50 games w/o him. Don't compare, losing to the best team and eventual League champions in the playoffs to getting a team through a weak conference to meet the best team in the league in the finals and then getting swept.
Fifthly, compared to Jordan, Lebron has poor fundamentals. He has below average footwork, a poor post game, below average shooting outside of 3 feet from the basket, below average FT shooting, and is a turnover machine. Sixthly, Jordan accumulated more actual NBA accolades in far less time the Lebron. All of the NBA footnote ribbons you want to give LeBron, most minutes played, most career playoffs games, etc are not real NBA accomplishments. No annual trophies are given for these. And if you want to promote them, then promote, he also lost more playoff games than anyone else, promote he has the most turnovers in fewer games than any other player or the most missed FGs. With longevity comes some other stats that don't denote greatness.
Lebron got a bad foot and still playing great
@@MrComputertrends You mean the foot/ankle that needed surgery, but miraculously never got that surgery... Jordan actually had surgery.
Mj fan don’t want to hear the truth!! Smh
Jordan is the greatest
Lebron is the Best
Ryan can argue a great point for Bron, however, people just give the wrong rebuttal to his points. He brought up the Mavs being better that year, NO. Bron played like trash , therefore the Mavs took advantage. He didn’t talk about Bron getting outplayed by Jason Terry, yes that happened. Every fourth quarter they played that series, Bron got outscored by Dirk… yes , that happened as well… look that up too. GOATS don’t play like that when it matters most, I’m sorry, not sorry! Bron IS NOT the GOAT. MJ is the undeniable GOAT, and it’s not even close!
Really! MVP Lebron, Champion DWade and Franchise Player Chris Bosh is not enough to win a championship really???!!!! you had to go to Joel Anthony to say that Miami was not a better team that Dallas?? The Miami Heat were the heavy favorites Man.. You can't just admit Lebron had a meltdown in that series.. My God
Prime MJ and Prime Wilt have 2 of the greatest once in a lifetime type of status, you guys can’t be watching the same Basketball man this guy Lebron it’s time to retire.
Ryan full of it. I hate that these dudes don’t have better points. Celtics Big 3 won it first time oh and against the Pau and Kobe.
Are you fucking kidding me the boy who is Jerry report is the people today they change the rules to make it easier to score you