David West Explains Why Lebron Is The GOAT!
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- David West explains why he believes lebron james is the goat. He also talks about the difference between the 90s and now.
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Jordan will always be the goat!!!
So! Let me get this straight. David took all of the Benefits of today’s game and did Not calculate the game/rules of the 80’s that prevented MJ from averaging More than 30/PPG?!?!? Consistent Hand Checking, Arm Bars & Common Fouls that are Flagrant 2’s in this Soft Era!!!! And ya’ll don’t think that that would Even the score with Lebron’s athleticism by trying to Injure him, also?!?!?!? Make Sense!
#FanboysWillBeFanboys 👨🏾💻
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@@Ricc_Rude but MJ averaged 28pts. So how much did hand checking and fouling really stop him? Also I remember growing up hearing old heads complain about how MJ got any call he wanted and the refs favored him.. So please make that make sense.
Mour 1 did you see what the Detroit pistons did to mike I guess those calls where in his fave huh🤦🏾♂️ Lebron cry’s for calls all the time and most of time he isn’t even getting fouled
We have to just be honest.. nostalgia got alot of yall stuck.. bron the Goat
Or recency bias has you locked up
As I much as we hate to admit it sometimes, it's true. Respect to what Lebron's doing. ✊️✊️
You have a talent for comedy bro! Keep it up 🤣
@@moegreen5760 unbias bron the goat bruh like when we going be real? Bron is avg 30 in like year 20
It’s ok bron the goat
Watch "Jordan's historic Bulls mixtape" and "rare voyager", dude was just different bruh, lmk what you think of those two videos
Whoever dribbling in the back gotta chill who thought that was a good idea😂
Lmfao
Mf probably bought the ball hog gloves to work on his dribbling. Mf bouncing the ball hard as hell
@@donny4939 lol
Nah deadass wtf
I was yelling ‘STOP’ but they obviously can’t hear me
I really like how articulate David West is here. Just look at it from this perspective, I'm not saying guys weren't tough in the 70's, 80"s and 90's because they most certainly were, but was it just because they were "built" different or was the game allowing them to play more physical? Of course guys aren't going to shoot crazy percentages in the paint if you're just allowed to tackle people. Of course it's going to be harder to drive around someone when their hand and are are stuck to you. And he makes a great point about guys' height and weight. That Pacers team was a big and heavy team, yet Lebron physically dominated them. Not finessed them. People use this era against Lebron constantly, like it's his fault, but why not look at all eras with that same critical lens. They didn't have to guard guys like Steph as soon as he crossed half court, they didn't have to worry about 7' guys with guard like abilities, they didn't have to worry about guarding bigs outside the paint, they didn't have to play more complicated defenses. In this era, no matter how big, tall, strong, fast you are, you can most likely score from all 3 levels and have decent handles too. Most teams back then didn't have a guy that could guard guys like Bron, Giannis, or KD. Just because you could hit people out of the air or just be overly physical doesn't mean you can actually defend. Again, not saying they were bad defensively but it's something you have to think about when judging eras or having a GOAT debate.
Well put! Agreed 💯
fr, imagine guys like LeBron, Kawhi, Klay, Marcus Smart, and Giannis with hand checks. those guys are holding star players to under 10 consistently.
especially roy hibbert 0 points 0 rebounds
That's all Cap 🧢 they are doing phenomenal things but the only players that's actually creating space and there own shots is very few and they don't deal with a Rodman or a shaq on the court. Bron is decent remove all the HGH out his system y'all wouldn't be D riding so hard.
Old head
Put LBJ aside of this discussion. Let’s point out the respect West was giving to Zeebo in this interview. In his prime, Randolph was so cold 🥶
Deebo was cold! Heard he was on Hennessey out there though.
Oh yeah for sure Zeebo was a dog! Cold lefty fr 💪🏾
Zeebo been a problem. 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
He was one of my favorite player to watch because he was big but super skilled same with zion big but super athletic they both unstoppable
West was too.They were similar type of players.
David west for sure needs to do more interviews and tv appearances. He is extremely insightful
How when he's talking about players n era he wasn't even playing in
@@poeseszmalone that doesn't mean he can't talk about those eras
@@littleprince8164 thts exactly what tht mean how can you possibly talk about something you never experienced atp you jus blowing smoke out your ass
Who is David West? Hahha
Dumb analysis. You could be 500 pounds, but if the rules state you can't touch anyone, what's the point?
I'm a magic & Lakers fan when i started playing basketball. When MJ came he made the NBA became global. I don't really like ball hogs but 2 3-peats the hype the swagger the highlights and the shoes, I also want to be like Mike. Strong case vs Kareem being the 🐐. When MJ retired i started to appreciate his greatness even more. Then came LeBron and all the hype and expectations. I never liked him from the start comparing him to be the next MJ i didnt like it at all. and just like MJ he slowly gained my respect with the style of his game (pass first). His freeakish athletisicm, the way he continuously developed his game, his endurance & longetivity through his work ethic & discipline, the level of competition and the way he adapt for 3 decades. The level of scrutiny and hate he had to endure specially today's age of social media. He surpassed it all. You can tell it by his stats, advance metrics, diff accolades, records being broken and great players he surpassed and being able to do it the right way in and out of the court. That's why for me he is the 🐐. And after he is done we will surely miss his greatness.
Absolutely 💯 Truth! You couldn't have explained it any better than that! I wasn't a fan in the beginning but was a Lakers fan...LBJ has proven himself on the courts and off the courts! He has a beautiful wife and family so I thank him for his behavior away from the games of basketball! He's a Super Star!
Well said but What LeBron should have done is build a legit legacy naturally and organically like Kobe and MJ did..LeBron chose to cut corners and be an opportunist and jump to the team that has the best chance of winning and ring chase.. LeBron is the best point-forward I have seen so far but that's it.. everything else is just media hype..not to take anything away from LeBron he's a great player but his greatness pales in comparison to Jordans greatness...
@@arielmunoz9835 whe you drafted to the cavaliers ORG. You have no choice but to BOUNCE for a better Organization
I'm a JORDAN fan but the way you articulated your point with stats, significant traits and work habits. Bravo! 👏
JORDAN THAT DUDE DOE.
@@arielmunoz9835 Are you dumb Bron didn’t have the luxury of being paired with a prime Shaq, or having a competent organization like the bulls who went out and got/drafted talent and had a good coach. Kobe was crying for a trade the year after Shaq left, and MJ literally retired just cause Phil and Scottie were gone lol. 💀
There was a story that came out years ago that said Bron weighed 279 at his heaviest in Miami…
Yeah that was a false story
@@patrickshepherd9489 sure it was lol
Bro look at him next to other big guys. He looks 275
@@treecosmos386 right. I keep posting the article in the comments and RUclips keeps removing it for some reason.
His teammates have said publicly he was 280+ in Miami.
This is one of the best interviews. David West nailed it! D West sounds like a very practical dude. I wish this was a sports channel interview. So much knowledge in this content.
Except that he doesn't know his basketball history. Saying Rodman was 210 pounds and shit like that while Rodman put clamps on Shaq who was 330.
@@sonik6892 unless we all know Shaq was dominant. But, the most unskilled bigman there was. And even Shaq admits to regretting not having a deep bag for someone his size
@@julianselaise1471 That's far from the truth. His footwork was great, he had a very reliable go to jumphook and he was a really good passer. His free throws was the only flaw in his game. He didn't need to take mid range jumpers since he could dunk it or lay it in every time being way more efficient.
@@sonik6892 By your standards. Shaq has said multiple times, even on the show after the Celtic game, that he regrets not being the one with an accolade as great, or even as close as Kareem’s. He even shut Barkley’s hating comments up with, ‘i passed you tho’. And, that’s from the horse’s mouth. Not what you think should or would have been.
@@julianselaise1471 We can all agree that he could have been even better but that doesn't take away how great he was. Who knows if he trained harder he could have been seriously hurt and have a lesser career than he had. Yao for example was forced to retire at 29 because playing every summer for China broke his body
BRON is the GOAT as of now. Well said David West. Pro-basketball has consistently evolved. And, still evolving.
Nope
💯
Lost x6 in the finals. Not just lost win 4 games in 4 finals lol
@@acs79he’s the best player to ever play the game. No “nostalgia” you got can override basic physics.
@@kdn. lost 6 superbowls.
David West’s energy and detail was incredible, definitely going to look for more interviews now. And he pronounced Gasol’s name correctly!! That’s really dope!
Wrong about a lot of stuff but he got an opinion
David is a real one. He graduated college (Xavier U) as a Jr and was working on his Masters his Sr year. Plus, he was married and a young child. He was a husband, Masters student, father, and All-American NCAA basketball player his Sr year!
@@Jc-ly6pe Any examples?
@@steviegreenthumb4720 Tim d at his heaviest was 250lbs lol he’s talking about weight like that instantly makes u better wilt for example played at 290-300
@@steviegreenthumb4720 and then stated Roy hibbert like he was shaq lol Roy would be eaten alive by Ewing lol I noticed ppl try to make it seem like humans off past eras were a different species lol
Made my night. Sending this to all the group chats 😂
😂😂😂 Gonna have everybody hot !!! Arguing and all that.
Since there is less defense, fast pace and more shooting, winning is harder to predict. In the 90s you can hold a 10 lead by slowing the game. Somewhat control the outcome. Now a 20 point lead can vanish in 3-4 minutes. Winning is less about a specific player but more so who gets hotter.
They are not playing less defense... The offence has gotten way stronger than the defence so you see more people scoring...
Just think about this... In the past you had one Iverson and one Hakeem Dream.
Today "everyone" is using those Iverson crosses + Dream's footwork + better 3pt shooters
Good luck guarding that
@@jeromebranchetti6002exactly I don’t understand why this is such a tough concept for people to get they just see the box scores and think no one tries on defense and people just shoot 3s also in the 80s when they supposedly had incredible defense and tough defense teams scored the same as we do today. It’s literally only about the pace of play and possessions per game and skill level
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“There’s less defense” dude just stop.
The 3 point line was closer in the past …
20 years at 27 7 7 is the goat. Passing the kareem for points and magic in assists is the goat. 4 chips 4 finals mvps on 3 different teams with no great head coach is the goat
Say that!!!🎯
Jackson was a "great coach" because he lucked out coming to the position as the BUlls had Jordan and then drafted Pippen. If lebron had of stayed in Miami and let them build back he would have won more chips and by virtue of the winning whoever was his coach would be called a "great coach". Great coaches have a lot of luck. Pat Riley is a "great" coach because he was made head coach of the Showtime Lakers right after they won a title. If he had of been made coach of the Jazz that year he would be thought of that way.
@Truth is Harsh 🤫-€>🤡 you was crying while writing that book 🥱that no one cares to read ! Because Lebron is the 🐐!!!
Magic Johnson did that in basically 11 years. Was in the finals damn near every year for 10 years. Bron is great but a lot of this really balls down to him being able to be consistent and stay healthy. He’s great. But context plz.
4 chips by changing to better teams is actually worse than winning 4 with the same team. Lebron has no great head coach because he never stayed with the same team. You think Phil Jackson is considered a great head coach if MJ just fucks off after the first or second chip to another team?
More than player weight and athleticism, you just have more skill guys now. You don't have players on the court who are just enforcers anymore. Pretty much everyone has to be able to shoot. Even guys wgo struggle with shooting, like Draymond Green, need to be elite in other areas like passing, defense, and ball handling. We've never had this many elite players in the league. Never had this level of overall competition. Never had this level of skill across the board
We also never had a chance to see past players... with the rule changes to allow offense freedom post 2004... allow carrying, travelling and light defense, light fouls. Imagine if those rules in place for MJ in the Piston days... the whole team would have been fouled out. Guys dont have more face up skill, and less back-to-the-basket skill.
@@mrblend here's an actual breakdown from each decade in the nba which talks about all that stuff. ruclips.net/video/AoeTN2-q7I4/видео.html
@@montazmeahii6029 thanks, but this is just a game from each decade lol.... a game. Also my statement is a bit rhetorical seeing as how I have been watching ball for long time.
@@mrblend correct. It was from one game. I think his logic was to look at each finals game to observe they way the best teams (the 2 which made it to the Finals) played the game. I think it’s a reasonable sample for the sake of argument.
This is pretty dope to hear. I remember West tweeting we used to only celebrate 3-peats, after Cleveland won the chip as a dig to Bron. Now he’s giving him his props, mad respect
Edit: Comment below is correct: that was actually Mo speights who talked about 2016 chip
I think that was Mariesse Speights not D West
@@The_African_In_Africa you are correct thank you for pointing that out
People are finally starting to be real
I love it
Lol this channel is dumb basketball is soft now
You have a long way to go the nba rankings matter MJ is still goat he did more in 10 seasons than bron 20 seasons he never lost or had a panic attack during the finals Wade had to show lebron how to win a championship why do no one ever bring that up
@@terranceburgess9170 basically
@@terranceburgess9170 yeah and how come no one brings up Jordan gettting swept in the first round twice. Lebron Is without a doubt a better overall player than Jordan was. Only argument you have for jordan is a team accomplishment
@@zachk2473 Lies. MJ has many more individual accolades too. 3 steals titles, 9 scoring titles, 1 DPOY and 9 1st team all defense which is more than Bron in less seasons. MJ,Garnett, Gary Payton and Kobe all have the most with 9. One of if not the greatest mid range shooter ever. One of the greatest perimeter defenders ever. MJ leads everyone in PER and career win shares per 48, and leads Bron in box plus minus but is second overall. A lot of what Bron has over him are longevity stats that stack up regardless.
Been saying this for years glad light is being said finally on this topic not taking anything away from m j because he created the work ethic to be the greatest as the standard for all these players in the league now
same
Wow another great explanation from someone that even disliked LBJ as an opponent…
It’s a terrible explanation.. players weighed more in 2001 than they do now does that mean they were better? Players weigh about 3 lbs more now on avg n are 2 1/2 inches shorter than they were in the 90s.. with an identical avg vertical leap of 28 inches same as the 90s.. so a guy who weighs 3 lbs more is 2 1/2 inches shorter with the same vertical is better? 😂😂
@@TheSands83 you're using averages of weight to explain which era is better listen to yourself.
@@donutking4u no dummy 🤣 that’s what the video is about n what west is saying numbnuts 🤣 My point is it doesn’t make a fuck… how r u so confused by that? He’s saying they weigh so much more now n it’s harder to deal with but my point is he’s wrong. 🌬
@@TheSands83 Holy shit you missed the entire point of the conversation, well done.
@@Fohnzii it’s literally part of his point 🤣
Yo, this is actually a very interesting way of looking at this debate. I really appreciate hearing David talk about his era being kind of the meshing point of old school and modern basketball
I was with him until his slander on Dennis Rodman. Worm defended Malone, Shaq & Morning and led the league in rebounding.
I've said this and I'll say it again, LeBron James is the Greatest Basketball player in the history of the NBA.
Facts
@@nbatalk714 what facts?
@@leondavis27 you already know wassup
@@nbatalk714 Jordan is the Goat 🐐🐐!!
I'll give you facts
congrats, You Said It Before and Again
Nostalgia is the enemy of every sports fan’s objectivity. It gets even worse when you give those nostalgic fans a microphone. Skip Bayless, Rob Parker, Stephen A etc.
Man this is what l have been trying to say to people for years: As great a player as MJ was, he should be regarded more as the most influential player ever b'cuz he is responsible for taking the NBA to the world. The players now are bigger, faster & stronger than the players back in the day. MJ is the greatest icon, just like D-West said.
And with all that being said when we talk about the Goat, mental toughness is a huge aspect and no one in the league comes close to MJ thats what made him the Goat, thats why Tom Brady is considered the Goat because of mental toughness, to rise in a moment when everyone else shrinks from the pressure of the moment
MJ was bigger than Kobe and similar to Kawhi by the end of his Bulls run. Kobe dominated this era and was lighter
@@jontelmurphy5996 so let’s talk about that mental toughness cause were was it threw those first seven years 3x in the playoffs with losing record with more scoring and better athletes around him 3 first round sweeps then even he was mentally tough enough to deal with the pistons physicality and eluded to suck by saying they were getting punked including him crying to the refs rather than playing so let’s stop with this act like Jordan was just always mentally tough cause he wasn’t . Did have killer instinct to score yes but I’m those early years he hated physical contact started talking to a ref and if you dummy think it B takes a different kind of mental fortitude to get to 8 straight nba finals then I don’t think you truly grasp mental toughness .
Brooo exactly, Kobe was a lean mean machine, cooking guys bigger and heavier than him, offensively and DEFENSIVELY. Get that argument out of here weight means nothing in basketball success.
@@jakedodsonjake you do realize KAJ was one of the most dominant big men back in the day & he played @ 7"2, 225lbs. Meanwhile Embiid is 7" @ 245lbs. The Greek Freak is not quite 7" but he weighs about 250something. Now both of these players are way more athletic than KAJ was in his playing days. Back in the day players over 200 were considered fat (ala Charles Barkley). Nowadays 200lbs is nothing in the NBA. Back in the day centers defended mostly under the rim, while centers today can even drift out to the perimeter to defend. So why can we not make the argument that the players today are bigger, faster, stronger & even more versatile than their pacesetters?
I think David forgot that Rodman was one of the main reasons why the Bulls beat the Jazz those 2 times in the finals… he was undersized but he played Malone (who was 260+lbs) extremely tough.
But Malone still killed in that series so he was right. And now the pf are bigger stronger and more talented. Denial is a bitch ain't it 🤣🤣🤣
@@lebarondeflanders263 Malone didn't kill in the finals against the Bulls. In 12 finals games against the Bulls he only scored over 23 pts 3 times. Rodman was locking that shit up and he would do the same today against these power forwards
@@fcarter3863 K. Malone avg 24 and 25 ppg in those series, he wasn't stopped and second, he was Lebron size at the time and playing the 4 almost as a center with a good mid range, Lebron would have murdered any defender of that era, I'm telling you this and I'm not a LBJ fan.
People forget Rodman handled that tiny guy Shaq!
@@Pit_1209 Malone was giving people 30 points a game. In 12 games vs Bulls he scored over 23 points 3 times. Rodman contained Malone. As for Lebron, I wouldn't expect Rodman to guard him on the perimeter but in that 10 ft range he would've gave Lebron problems
I appreciate David West’s point of view. I do wonder what he has to say about Dennis Rodman checking Shaq and doing pretty dang well.
It was because Rodman could put a forearm in the back of Shaq and make himself a bracket
@@tmitch1627 so could everyone else, but the overwhelming vast majority wasn’t nearly as effective.
@@rell3001 youre right, ijs that the reason was the armbar
@@tmitch1627 gotcha, good convo
Shaw was stationary. Lebron was not and just as quick as Rodman with a 44 inch vertical. And 270
David West should share his knowledge with those clowns at ESPN. This is the best interview about the G.O.A.T.
It's refreshing listening to guys who are not paid or have a special interest regarding this Goat 🐐 debate and don't have to risk losing there job if they don't say Jordan is the Goat which he's not. LeBron James has been Goat 🐐 since 16yrs old selling out arenas we've never seen one player EVER we can compare LeBron James to period
Lefloop
Preach bro !
Grade schooler spotted
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A basketball savant. I'll say LeBron had the longest reign as the best player in the NBA starting like his 3rd or 4th (2006-07) year til like his 16 or 17th season (2020-21) Goat James 👑 🐐 #23
The world is going hate on him now but they will miss him when he is gone
no they won't. LeBron will get sht on by fans worshpping the next player. This is what we do now. Cancel the older players because they're all plumbers and they weren't sht. Give it a few more years and the Gen A kids after the Gen Z won't even know who LeBron is and most certainly not know who MJ is. that's the cycle. forget the older fossils. Let em rot.
Samething with Kobe RIP they were ao many players and fans that hated him. Once he was gone it was too lated
No we won’t hate him we will take him to the Dr to get a mental check up and find out what drugs he is on because a goat can’t have a chain around his neck and Tim Duncan and Curry has him chained in their backyard lol look up the finals records he couldn’t beat them how can you be a goat
Because most fans are losers in life, they want to tear down someone who is supremely gifted and successful. When they doesn't happen, they berate him night after night. A lot of people have cold, dead hearts.
😂😂😂😂
If David West is so strong, how did he let a 6’9 225 Kenyon Martin hold him to 40% shooting in the post season ? 💀
Kenyon Martin was strong as a bull bro...
You def could of came up with lesser player to prove your point lol or maybe you couldn't which just proves his point.
@@iamworthy1302 This guy ?
ruclips.net/video/JCR7uz0a7no/видео.html
So u dissin k mart
K Mart was 235 and strong asf lmao what r u talkin bout 😂
They made that rule change after Detroit beat Kobe. It was not because the defenders were stronger and heavier. Ben Wallace was 240 and his job was to guard Shaq. Tayshaun Prince was 216, If you go back to the 2003 playoffs magic versus Detroit Pistons, Prince comes off the bench and locks up T-Mac. Prince and rip were locking up Kobe that is the reason why they got rid of hand checking.
Thank you !!!!! Denial is a real problem though nobody wants to admit that it was possible for someone to be better.
EXACTLY!!!
ruclips.net/video/tl3mR6eoEa8/видео.html
Jordan is the Goat. James still crying 😂
So because the avg player weighs 3 lbs more means they were better than the 90s? 😂 they r also 2 1/2 inches shorter today. In 2001 they weighed more than today on avg.. they were better then? This logic is so awful 😂
But he not
Legoat 👑 🐐! It’s inevitable!
I keep saying this exact same thing, I will be 50 this year so I grew up watching basketball when Mike played but Mike was literally being guarded by dudes like Joe dumars, Craig ehlo, John starks ect😳……..what do you think Lebron would do being guarded night in and out by such small un athletic dudes like Mike was?! And that’s no disrespect to MJ he played against who was in front of him at the time! 🤙🏽🙃
We the same age and I see we think a like cause my thing to ppl is if Karl Malone dogged back in the 90s WTF do ppl think LeBron would do he the same size and BETTER then the mailman
Exactly !!! Thank you. They were small ans those alerts eras aren’t as good as people think , it’s just old heads trying to convince you their time was better . Hell I’d probably be doing the same thing when I’m old ahahaha . Times have changed tho these eras are insane
MJ actually heavier than Kobe 🫠
@@bjrnthebootybandit that’s just Kobe lol. And mostly talking about centers and forwards. They’re bigger and stronger. Pippen was skinny for a forward. Mj wasn’t that small. He was thin but he was still strong
@@timothyhergert4199 My point was he saying MJ isn't the GOAT because players today are too big and strong but Kobe bitched dudes in this era so it dun matter. Rodman had to guard Shaq and also faced Barkley and David Robinson who was Giannis before Giannis
@@bjrnthebootybandit yeah in Washington when he was older.
@Mo Betta "Michael Jordan came into the league in 1984 as a smaller 6'6 195 pounds. Then he gradually gained muscle, played seasons at the weights of 205 lbs, 210 lbs, 215 lbs, and ended on his final season on the Washington Wizards around 223 lbs". He fluctuated but was similar size even at the Bulls. He would be big enough boy
Great great illustration by West. We have a lot of strong fast players in this era of basketball and to stand out as the best in this Era means you are the greatest
😂man was saying a lot of opinions not that many facts
And more skilled
Guess what... the skill and athleticism gap is also INSANE. MJ was ahead of his time but his comp wasn't good at all. Like 90% of the players in that era wouldn't make a nba roster today.
@@Dom2.0 😂right cuz Andre Drummond and Clint capela to talented for big back then lol can’t forget franc campozo and the other worldly Austin reeves absolute animals lol
@@Jc-ly6pe Austin Reaves would avg 30 in mj era 😭😭😭
I would also add that he has won a championship on three different teams and almost in 3 different eras of his career. Basketball is obviously a team sport and the bulls back then we're incredibly stacked.
Karl Malone was dominant in that era... easy a top 50 guy... probably top 30. He's just a creepo... 2 time MVP... 14 time All Star... 4 time All Defense. Not to mention where he ranks in scoring and his career averages of 25/10/4... and peak Mailman was 30/11.. just couldn't get over the hump. Anyways.. I say this bc LeBron is basically Karl Malone but way more athletic and better at basketball in every aspect of the game. Except maybe rebounding but idk... he's not asked to rebound like Malone was but either way I'm sure I made my point.
Facts! I've been saying this from day one! Nobody could check Malone then so how on earth would they "out physical" Lebron?!
Lebron is a terrible rebounder for his size.
@@lamontewilliams3011 yeah that’s it… 😂😂😂 gonna average 8 for his career. What you want him to average 11 or 12? He’s only asked to lead his team in points and assists every single season… might as well do it in rebounds as well. Hahahahaha. Haters gonna hate 😂🤡
@@lamontewilliams3011 and yet he's the only player in NBA history with 30K points 10K assists and 10K rebounds?!
@@Boss3Nate 8 rebounds with 7.5 of them on the defensive end 😂… uncontested. In fact so uncontested that his own teammates are forced to move out of his way so he can grab those “tough rebounds”. Michael Jordan averages double the offensive rebounds that LeBum does. Your sorry dumb generation will never be better at sh*t and we just know that hurts so bad lol.
LeBron’s too clumsy, dribbling the ball off his own feet and sh*t to ever Ben considered GOAT of any sport.
D west is so insightful in comparing the era’s. Had to watch it twice.
Not really I do believe the players have evolved but there not heavier or anything that’s a lie kawhi is 225 mj was 215 like y’all acting like people evolved that much it’s not that deep
He right it’s the biggest reason the league struggled against shaq that weight of his was too much to handle. And skill wise and athleticism the game has revolved these new players are more skilled
I don't know why people get size a d skill mixed up! Just because your bigger stronger and faster doesn't mean better. Example Tim Duncan wasn't the strongest or fastest but fundamentals made him possible the greatest power forward ever. Fundamentally I don't think this generation took a step back cause it's all about the highlight play nowadays.
Bron 6’8” 240 lbs can run over a center so his body of work is legendary but come on now MJ
Jordan 6’6” 198 lbs at the time driving up against the era of big man such as Ewing, Mutombo, etc. and defense with hard fouls.
The man won 3 peat retired came back to win another 3 peat and could have won more smh 🤦🏾♂️ cut it out.
Mike is the Goat
Correct
My money is on mike
Very well articulated, informative, and original argument. Thank you David West
Thank you for your honesty David West, they are afraid of the facts and the truth.
How did Kobe dominate his era then at 205? Offensively and defensively? He even dominated well into lebrons era as well. Bigger, faster, athletes don’t mean more talented basketball players, if that was the case, we wouldn’t see all these small ball lineups.
@@jakedodsonjake Kobe NEVER dominated an era STOP the Lakers 3-Peat was a product of "SHAQ's Dominance" which was the point, Kobe had plenty of "peers" and rivals like Duncan, KG, Dirk, T-Mac, Lebron, Wade, and Iverson ......... Shout out to Kobe though he had to deal with these monsters on a regular basis.
What honestly makes LBJ’s physique even more impressive: if you see him in person, he looks HELLA lean! Like I went to a Lakers/Heat game and Kobe looked buffed in person (no fanboy ish, but his biceps were popping and he looked more buffed if you will, than Bron) I, to this DAY, (and I am 42 years old) do not know nor have ever said who I think is the GOAT. My personal favorite is K.O.B.E.
Rodman was 210 as a rookie at small forward by the end of his career he was actually much closer to 235-40 playin power forward. Some of his examples were off but whatever the case LBJ is a big boy when he was at the Olympics in 2008 or 2012 somebody reported LBJ hit the scale and was 270 plus at 6’9
That's actually spot on Rodman couldn't play PF in today's league as a big man he is the size of a sg or PG just taller he would be getting posted up by little dudes
@@barzbaby9665 bro int todays game he definitely could guys are actually smaller then the time David West was talking about
@@barzbaby9665 shaq had a tough time scoring on Rodman. These new age big man wouldn’t be a problem and they don’t even post up anymore. There is only like 5 max that posts
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Not even close bro Rodman wouldn't last today's league because the stuff he pulled in today's league they call it flopping and this is why they say Lbj don't get calls so Rodman would be fouled out every game none
@@barzbaby9665 bro todays game is smaller then in the late 90’s it literally one big on the floor per team most nights Rodman was great he could definitely play
Them pacers were cold and stacked. One of the toughest teams bron and the heat had to got through. Them series were next level
Bron was a #1 pick & is currently the All-time leading scorer 😤 that’s tough. I still remember my friends saying “LeBron will never win a championship” & one of them was a die hard Kobe/Lakers fan 🤫.
This video must be protected at all costs. It’s the most logical argument ever made for Bron being the goat.
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Lmao magic was 6’9 230 he went to 9 championships in 12 seasons bro everybody has there Time you can only be the goat of your era. Magic in todays game would do them dirty just like in the past some guys have advantages. Kareem 7’3 with an uncanny ability to score like nobody ever stoping him
No it's not. He's only talking about size. What about how he disappeared against Dallas and how he has to pick his teams to win. Bring that up please.
@@jlsmith-hs8rf don’t bother man. These niggas are too goofy to understand logic.
@@wuzzy87 man
Facts. It's so hard for under 6 feet guards to play in this league because today's guards are too big. You have to be a scoring machine for the coach to let you on the floor.
Small guards still doing numbers tho…
D West just posing the question. not making any assumptions or disrespecting anyone in the past or now, gotta respect his perspective.
That being said, how tf can you guard ZBo at 210 lbs? can’t argue the science 🤷🏾♂️
I appreciate West's insider perspective. No amount nostalgia or legendarianess can override physics.
You dûmb too then 😂
shout out David west. great interview, and he kept it a buck. real 1
This some funny ass shit. Got bruh just tryin kill ants in the background 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
And yet today it's less physical and players miss more games
injuries arent real, the business is more important now than it used to be.. theres only a few real injuries, the science to prove teams are faking injuries is out there but they keep it low to not get fined by the nba.. theirs games guys get told to sit out to be prepared for another game and some games are bet on by refs and team owners so guys have to sit out and dont know why but the bet was for their team to lose.. its real shit going on not just pretty entertainment, theirs more dirty shit going on now than ever because theirs more money involved
It's against the rules to be quite as physical, true, but there is still plenty of contact. And when you get bigger, heavier, stronger, faster dudes bumping you and hitting you, the likelihood of getting injured or needing time off to recuperate increases.
Everyone is moving faster, the human body and it’s joints can only withstand so much force
Let's say that you are guarding Kyrie and you put your body in front of him. With his ability, he can just dribble pass by you. Not just Kyrie, most of the G and other players are now too handy and creative with the ball to just get "physical". Not just in the drive and also how they attack the rim. So getting physical is not a good option in today's game.
@@I-Six Unless you're Draymond.
In today game, almost anyone can shoot three. Guy like Shaq would probably have come out and defend Davis at the three points line. That would be hard for him to get a rebound.
Like when he had to do with Yao and Dirk .
Good point !
Yall crazy throw that ball to shaq about ten times who ever guarding him will be to tired to shoot a three from trying to keep it out the post. Plus shaq was a freak of nature I'm pretty sure if he had to he could adjust. But dominance is dominance
That's at his gym at Garner Road in Raleigh, NC. Been there a lot. Both of my son's participated in his camps. What a competitive environment. He comes from a great family as well.
Yeah but the Knicks were tooo tough in fact that were so tough I think that crippled their chances of winning a chip because dudes like Starks, McDaniels and especially Oakley they’d sacrifice a long term goal for a temporary on court beef over little stuff…. And they didn’t handle pressure well ironically enough they did know how to transmit that masculine energy and figure how to beat to teams mentally and that’s why they always lost
Tough doesn't equate to evolution and skillset and talent. Those guys weren't super great players nor skilled.
And Oakley said they couldn't win bec Ewing wasn't that guy for the leadership position so 🤷🏾♂️
@@flawless39 even if Pat was the guy they still wouldn’t have won… mainly because of Oakley and John Starks immature erratic behavior on the basketball court in pivotal games. Don’t get me wrong Pat did some questionable things on the floor too but overall like I said that Knicks core had no talent good enough to get over the hump mentally everybody was half man half nuts lol Which is why Jordan and Pippen ran circles around them. What was a rivalry to everyone else was simply force vs finesse to me and sometimes they finessed themselves out of a chance to win it all.
@@theblackpic1111 well of course they wouldn't Bulls was a better note athletic team. Top to bottom. Exactly why tough and physically has nothing to do with talent, athleticism and skill. Which the players today as a whole are far more skilled, talented and athletic than 25+years ago. And when I say whole I mean they guys coming off the benches on all teens then vs now. It's truthfully not even close. It's like 10 teams maybe more in the league today that'll run laps around that Knicks teams but at the time they were the only top comp. And some hours people don't understand that. Which is funny AF to me lol
You can’t deny evolution brah!!!! This generation of players now would smoke the 90’s era. That’s why some casual fans need to appreciate todays players and their skill sets more.
@@flawless39 Lebron is shooting below 33% FG outside of the restricted area this season …. Far from skilled lol.
I agree with him
Too many old heads my age refuse to give this generation of players their due.
They get there due and plenty of benefits older players didn't get. But the hyperbole is too much, in that some statements make it seem as though the older players was just scrubby and just lucky to make the HOF. Ita all opionated
USA defeated Croatia 117-85 in the gold medal game at the 1992 Olympics
Dream team won all games with 30+ difference, that is pure domination
I don't understand what is LeBron domination ?
He created half usa "dream team" and he still lost in the finals twice.
The dream team lost only 1 game, their first one, after that nobody could stop them.
Dream team 1 is great example of what domination looks like
Lebron played in both though and has dominated in both 2003-2010 2011-23 and is still dominating he’s slowing down with age and defense isn’t great but he can play for spurts your not wrong it is way easier to score now but that’s not bron’s fault guys like harden messed the game up with cheating the rules and causing more foul calls and then there are so many guys who can shoot now then there use to be that includes 80’s 90’s and 2000’s how many great three point shooters can you name from these three era’s off the top of your head you got Larry, Reggie ,kerr, allen, Korver and reddick the point I’m making with that is it’s hard to double team without paying for it now then bk then when there we’re few great 3pt shooters also zone is way less effective in this era then the early 2000’s you couldn’t even play zone in the 90’s also blame the nba not the players they won’t allow big men to even take advantage of there size by posting smaller guys up without calling charges instead of making smaller players pay for switching and being to small which they allowed you to punish smaller guys back in the day hence why they didn’t switch as much back in the 80’s 90’ or early 2000’s also let me address this narrative of hand checking making it harder to score of course it did it’s way easier to keep someone in front of you when your constantly touching them when you take hand checking away you are forced to move your feet and actually have to keep a guy in front of you without touching them with your hands which is way harder than hand checking!!!
how did he dominate In 2003?
Look at him now
Exactly
@@ricardolozano5356 you probably just started watching ball huh? He came in the league dominating!
He was at his peak and got locked up by 5’9 JJ Barea tho
8 finals in a row
4th in assists
All time scoring leader
Championships on 3 teams
The 1st 3-1 comeback, while becoming the 1st to lead all players on both teams in all statistical categories in an NBA finals to do it..
Oh, and against the "greatest team ever assembled" that happened to win more regular season games than Michael Jordan's Bulls, who held the record.
And the list goes on .....
Loser
Still doesn't stack up to Jordan
Thanks you for putting this up. Been saying it for years it is good to see people finally waking up.
@@ezrakhan3820 40,000 points 11,000 rebounds 11,000 assist outside of a team as an individual player, Jordan doesn’t stack up!!!!
Fair enough 40k is an incredible feat, I prefer the two three peats. @@asiascott8495
This is why I have said that there is no GOAT because you can’t compare players who played in different eras regardless of the sport.
This era is talent. If you think about it, someone like Bill lambier most likely would not even get drafted in this day and age...
Bill would be too rough for today's sissy players.
@@nerdsworthpoindexter6661no he was allowed to be tough. Jokic would punk him if the rules was that style. Steven adams would destroy bill lambier also
How big was Karl Malone , and who is bigger than Shaq
@@ME-vy1sf The rules today are sissy rules. Bill would have have killed this sissy league today.
He mentioning Rodman weight like Rodman wouldn’t clamp him up foh
They wouldn't even be matched up, rodman would be a shooting guard today. Lol.
He talking all that but Draymond clamping people playing center at 6’6. Rodman would be a terror.
Not at 210 he wouldn’t…
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Nah. Rodman was the only flaw in his argument because Rodman is the exception. We've seen Rodman check Shaq and do a damn good job and none of these new dudes are Shaq or even close. Shaq was 350, easy
Rodman was not 210lbs on the bulls he was most likely 230lbs. Rodman also guard Shaq (300lbs) and Karl Malone (270lbs all muscle). Same goes for how Ben Wallace dealt with much bigger players.
He guarded big ass Shaq and shut him down-Rodman. Like wow. You’re entire argument went out the window
Rodman slowed down Shaq
Everything he said is the reason why Lebron ain't the goat
Everything he said is the reason why Bron the goat
Probably the truest breakdown I’ve heard yet. We’ve got to look at the guys that MJ even Kareem played against and just be honest. Stop the cap because we have rookies coming in now that are 6’8 with handles better than Isiah Thomas, that shoot better than anyone that can literally play position less basketball.
Love David west, that hornets team with him, cp, swish and Tyson was so good.
I remember that team!
He asked how Rodman could guard these guys forgetting he was checking Shaq at 320..
He makes great points. Charles Barkley was 6'4" 252lbs and bullied the league back then at PF. Lebron is 6'8" and has played as heavy as 275 as a wing player.
This is facts. The most complete , dominate, versatile, small/ big, 2 way player of all time=Goat
Bron is the goat
Notice how they talk strategy, player profiles and numbers... Not nostalgia.
we can agree that if everyone from every Era then to now was smashed together and there was a big ass draft LBJ would go number 1 but that would be unfair to everyone before brons time (including MJ) we should also be able to agree that MJ was greater in his Era and was a bigger "icon" than LBJ, perfectly put by D West.
Jordan would go number 1 dude .. no GM would take lebron over jordan 😂
@@TheSands83 not true, there's actually plenty. Lebron is the best all around player, as well as the most athletic. MJ would be 2nd pick because he's a ballhog. No one wanted to play with Jordan in his last years, but plenty would play with Lebron in his.
@mansonlamps Jordan didn't even go number one in his own draft, lmfao dude imagine if all greats were somehow going into one draft, and they were all 18-20 there's no question Bron would go one, he was the most sure number one pick ever 🤣
@@TheSands83 MJ wasn't even 1st in his own draft, what you talkin bout guy? 😅
@@aikcastle5043 leave opinion out of it LeBron cuck compare rookie season stats that's it. Everytime LeBron gets beaten you cucks have a ready made excuse. Yall some real lovers. I wonder how a guy who won more with less help in less time and dominated more on both ends is not greater ?? Damn Lb cucks
Okay D West! That was one of the best breakdowns of why LeBron is the greatest all time. He needs to take this to every sports show starting with Undisputed. Slap skip across his pale face with this logic.
All of his so called facts were not facts at all
People don’t mentioned LBJ has been a top talent in 3 different decades 00s, 10s, 20s
If this new Era is not the difficult and not the best maybe the NBA were not improving at all.
He also needs look up the average weight AND height of the 90s and today.
He'll realize its the same 😂😂
He was for the most part comparing the most feared defensive teams in size vs now.
Exactly
But of you look at how those weights are distibuted by position on the best teams and how heavier players are more skilled today you'll see the difference
back then 4 people play like forward/center. now 4 people are athletics and skilled enough to play as wings.
This young man makes a great point. I’ve never thought about it that way. Excellent job.
MJ was too advanced for his era … that’s not his fault … he didn’t face so much talent compared to now .
You high if you really believe that . Players today play no defense did you see the All Star game straight garbage . Move out the way that how they play defense. You drop Jordan in the league today .. he average 50 easy. You drop James in the 80s / 90s he will do the same thing he's doing now but one thing he's getting put on his ass and hard fouls trust me .I can name 20 great players lthat played back then. You probably in your 20s you just go by what you see now .
I agree. Jordan was far advanced compared to his competitors. It’s not his fault but he benefited. Every athletic move you see jordan do in highlights is done 100 times over by many players in any given game these days.
Mean while there were 3 players tops back in Jordan’s era who was on his level athletically. Wilkins is a perfect example.
Just look at lavine. He’s doing things JORDAN couldn’t even do athletically. Jordan was not doing no between the legs dunk from the free throw line.
Ppl need to get real about what they are seeing players do these days. There are 18 year olds that are more athletic than most player from the 90s and before.
Be real. If you want to go back and forth show me Jordan’s most athletic play or dunk and I bet I can show you MANY…. And I mean MANY player from today that have done more impressive things.
Now what if MJ played in this Era he would dominate
Most people can't appreciate because they can't relate, that's why Steph Curry blew up and got so many fans, because regular people and kids can somewhat relate to him more.
Me I don't care about the relating stuff, I like beasts, LeBron is a beast, Wemby is an alien
This is interesting, cause I remember West making that post about kids toady celebrate 4 rings in 10 tries and we celebrate 3 peats, so something about Lebron's continued greatness since the bubble win changed his mind. He's probably gonna explain that, but that's just an interesting thing to note.
that was marese speights that made that statement not him
This one was hard to watch totally in line with the J Will Agent Zero you could’ve played and still sound stupid mold
Awe you thought they were gonna help that weak ass MJ case… it’s over bron the goat!!
Saying LeBalco is too big, strong, and fast is not skills!!!!!😂😂😂😂
So, how come Wilt doesn't get GOAT considerations, he lost a lot of finals like Lebron. The argument usually is that Wilt was the biggest in his era. Lebron is among the most physically dominant players - Shaq, Wilt, Lebron, Oscar - but to use the argument alone as GOAT, is disingenuous. BTW shouldn't that count in favour of MJ and Kobe who had to power through players with more pounds on them?
Wilt never was favored to beat the Celtics in most of those finals, that Celtics team was loaded with hof players you have to take that into consideration. Lebron also lost the majority of those finals where he wasn’t favored to win. We forget it’s a team sport!
@@bodine113 I agree with you, team sports. One thing I would change in the NBA, if I could, is have more team awards. This new clutch award scratches my head.
The amount of 🧢 in this interview is wild🤣🤣🤣
The amount of truth in this interview is real. Its crazy how everything he his saying about LeBron just enhances why MJ was just different. I love LeBron, but MJ was just different. I have never seen a player so light weight & skinny move so quick & smooth on the basketball court. Mj dominated like a big man.
I have been a Lebron fan for 20+ years. He is the gifted player ever in the era with the most opportunity for players around the world, whether inner city kids, euro kids, or whatever. He is playing against the most talent at anytime and has been gifted with the perfect body, mind, endurance, and health of any player ever. That being said, his best trait, his unselfishness, and his preference for having friendships and to have positive vibes is his one weakness to getting all out of his talent. He is dedicated and hard working but sometimes he just chills, this drives his coaches nuts, sometimes he defers to others to help them be greater, and his teams lose...ie...2011 Finals. In order to be the GOAT you have to be narcissistally selfish. He just isn't at that level of insanity...he is a relative good guy, good teammate and most of the time plays with joy and not anger or with an edge. That being said he immense talents, hardwork, dedication have lead him to being in the conversation and I would rather watch a good teammate and overall normal person than a nut like MJ or Kobe.
Didn't Jordan play in the early 2000s on the wizards at 38-40 (which they missed each other by a year) and still avg over 20 a game. I understand him using the argument for sport science in todays game but that same science applied to those athletes of the earlier eras would have just made them better. Weight and size doesn't make you better. Ja Morant and Allen Iverson are 6ft and 170lbs and killed his era and in todays era. Shaq played in the 90s as dominate big man and he struggled with the Dennis and all the bigs of that era. This is a very flawed point.
Guess what... the skill and athleticism gap is also INSANE. MJ was ahead of his time but his comp wasn't good at all. Like 90% of the players in that era wouldn't make a nba roster today.
Shaq struggle with Dennis lmao, Shaq was a dominant force Dennis will get on ur head like pat bev
@@Dom2.0 Please explain how the athleticism has changed. Yes the avg player is more athletic and slightly more skilled but that game has also shifted to allow more scoring and less defense. Please how me someone getting stopped on a drive to the basket today, they damn near open a free lane every time. The game is just played differently, little defense tons of 3's and a lot less travelling calls.
@@strmshadow8411right, so less athletic, skilled and players with less tactical sense will be able to stop more athletic, skilled players in an era that allows more offense? funny.
Obviously the standard of the NBA is much higher now but when comparing all time players from different eras you have to look at the gap between them and their contemporaries. Jordan in his time was so far above and beyond the level of everyone else and achieved a level of domination none of the other greats achieved.
Yea he was better because they weren’t that good let’s be honest . They weren’t that good . He was a Vet amongst rec league majority players
@@idealisRealTV but that’s exactly my point - you can only judge MJ by where basketball was in the 80s and 90s not today👍
@@TpolTime nahh I don’t agree bro that’s sounds like excuses . If that’s the case then why compare him to players today and say he the GREATEST OF ALL TIME . By your Logic he is just the GREATEST OF HIS GENERATION .
@@idealisRealTV the game is constantly evolving. By your logic the best present day player will always be the best ever. This isn’t a reasonable argument just not how I would judge the GOAT.
@@TpolTime My logic is based off of the Top 75 greatest players and about 25-30 of those players are from my Generation I grew up watching it was just more competition . Shood I would like to believe that there will be better players in the future people evolve . Records are meant to be broken and kings will be overthrown . That’s Life . One day somebody gonna. E better than Lebron . Until then He’s the best (for now) .
David West is speaking mostly facts here. Zach was a beast but people forget that Dennis was a different animal at his size. They didn’t call him worm for nothing. I remember him guarding Shaq and neutralizing him on several occasions.
That's the truth... 🐐 👑 LeBron james
Jordan won 6. James still has 4. That 👑 has 5 points to it. You need 5 rings to be a king
@@jaykaynum5569 I don't need your opinion.go for it ..lebron is my goat of basketball..on and off the court.. that's it.
@@roelcanque you do need my opinion. Your on RUclips for likes 😂
Kids don't do drugs, or you will end up on somebody's podcast making a fool of yourself.
Omg exactly so tell me how no bron fan realizes that D Wade had to teach bron how to be a champion i mean who Joined whos team
Crazy how he says that but every current player today says MJ drops 40+ a game. They just dont play on you like they did. The hand checking, aggressiveness, resting on you when you're shooting threes, etc isn't there. There is a reason it's an offensive era. You're allowed to shoot today and if someone looks your way it's a foul.
Playoffs are still very physical reg season doesn’t matter as much in this era LBJ excels in physical match ups where he isn’t undermanned severely
The part he's missing is that the limitations of the 90s were ALSO limitations on MJ.
So if Lebron was in the 90s, HE would have those same limitations. MJ won 6 rings with those limitations. 10 scoring titles in that limited era.
Exactly well rounded and could carry a team lol lebron taking L's out here especially when he was on Miami
Jordan also played against lower skilled teams in the NBA guarded by barely 6ft guards day in day out was never the underdog in any final
@@carlayittey9540 Prove it. Most of the top 20 from Jordans era.
@@strmshadow8411 that list biased asf. If it wasnt Bron would be first, and Dwight Howard would be on there. Most of the guys from MJ era don't deserve to be on that list
@@NewWorldDreams47 Go off troll...
Finally the truth 💯
Ask 6’2 185 Jason Terry lol.
Who is david west? Oh yea the guy that lost to lebron every year
Right on target. Ive been on the old school and todays era. Todays basketball is more tough and more scientific. The triangle is not anymore working fantastically like before. More plays right now are more diversed and really methodological. Slow phase before. Post up etc. Big men now adays will be more dominant if you put them in the old eras.
Completely ignoring MJ having more Finals MVPs, MVPs, DPOY, Record 1st team all defensive selections, record scoring titles