MAD SEASON River Of Deceit Reaction!!!
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It's a shame that Vin & Sori don't know the history of Layne Staley or grunge.
Agreed, one of the best songs/lyrics in my opinion
I just stumbled upon this and Siri seems to forget Alice In Chains and that Laune died every time. Like shit you’d think one of these times it would stick. Also Vin’s tirade on the AiC unplugged was hilarious like one lyric and he’s off for 30 minutes.
Such a really shame... It's Grunge, simply grunge, it's about feelings. It's it! Nothing but it!
Vin I give you the middle finger calling this country and having a narrow mind about this song or band. Its a super group featuring members from Alice In Chains, Pearl Jam & Screaming Trees while all 3 were still together, a awesome side project. Similar to Temple Of A Dog featuring members from Soundgarden & Pearl Jam
And Mother Love Bone*
I love this song to this day
Tamra Drummer!!! Amen Sista
They formed this band to try to save Layne from his addiction
It’s a fantastic album 🔥
Well, that was a disaster. River of deceit is a classic.
@Cmntr bad take try again
They should stick with more simple music, this gem was out of their reach.
I kind of have to agree. Some people just can't enjoy songs that aren't loud and energetic.
Best comment ever
The depth of these lyrics makes it unattainable for most to get it. Not to mention the solid music played by all involved. RIP many members of this great grp.
Agreed
Almost as ironic as hating capitalism while making money off patreon for a RUclips channel
Mad Season is not country 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
They obviously dont know what country is lol
Country?? Why do we watch people who know less about music than all of us lol
Doug.. & People pay hundreds for this?? Smh
This song is a eulogy. Layne Staley is telling you what's up with him. Where he's going, and why he's going there. I nearly cry every time. I was going to leave it at that, but it also bugs me that Vin didn't let (and I choose that wording purposefully) this song speak to him. A small cry from a deep well of pain.
RIP Layne Staley 😓
And Chris Cornell bro :/
Chris was not in this band, he later joined when there was a reunion for a few shows with TOTD TOUR, with the last 2 survivors Mike and Barrett
Ahahahh
I know, it's clear that belongs to Soundgarden (and Audioslave), I only made reference to another singer of the deceased grunge, which is the most recent ...
Also RIP Mad Season bassist John Baker Saunders. (1999). Heroin OD.
One of the best super groups ever. Layne was such an amazing vocalist. RIP
I seriously was like...is that Layne?? I had no idea he was in any other bands...wow....so nice to hear his voice again.
One of the best is correct ..right up there with DOWN.
Yes! These guys should check out Screaming Trees / Mark Lanegan now.
One of the great songs of the Grunge era. Layne Staley's voice was amazing. I listened to this with my eyes closed, the hairs stood up on the back of my neck. Brings back so many memories, good and bad.
At least you recognized Layne Stayley's voice. I was really going to chew you out on that. How you guys think this is anywhere near a country song is hilarious. This song is Layne's self reflection and a song to brood to. It's a beautiful song.
STALEY* TYPE CORRECTLY. STALEY!
elninjalaranja There's always one guy out there. You never fail to show up. Autocorrect added a y. Get over it. BTW... Writing in all caps and liking your own comment makes you a douche.
@@nimaside You mistype the name of the world's best vocalist ever and I'M a douche?
+elninjalaranja Definitely not. Learn who Dio is then come back.
@@TheAndreluizcarneiro typos happen and relax Layne is great and all but not a god
Layne did in fact Die of a Heroin overdose. He said that this song was about his addiction.(he even said that his music to n=him was a spiritual mission.) The River of deceit is about how a lot of addicts are told they what they do is a choice and all they have to do is choose to stop. The deceit part is how they often deceive themselves into thinking they don't have a problem and that everyone else is wrong and they can stop. It actually one of the most beautiful songs about how addiction can really drown not only the addict but the people they love. Think of it this way the Deceit is that the people who love the addicts think that it's an easy decision and getting clean is just a matter of saying no, while most addicts act like they don't have a problem but, in reality they know they do but they don't want to tell people that in reality they are terrified that if they stop the physical withdrawals will kill them so they constantly deceive themselves into thinking they have control when they know they don't. Hence the line I could either burn (continue with keeping up the act) or cut of my pride and by some time (I.E let go of my ego and admit I've lost control.)
Yes, Layne died of a drug overdose, heroin to be specific. River (veins) of lies. Learn a bit of the draw heroin has for users, as well as the terms used surrounding it to appreciate what Maybe felt.
Our pain, is self chosen. (In Layne's case, was it? Yes, he chose to do heroin the first time, but almost immediately the lure of the drug was stronger than his choice.)
I could either burn (light up) or cut off my pride and buy some time (get help)
A head full of lies is the weight (lies of being able to quit when he wants) tied to my waist (drowning him (in the drug).
....
I could either drown (in the river of the drug) or pull of my skin (no place to inject heroin) and swim to shore (safety)
Now I can grow a beautiful shell (the needle can't penetrate shell) = a recovered Layne.
Then he closes with the chorus over and over (admitting defeat?)
Just a super group of talented musicians experimenting with their influences...great grunge era album .
In his later interviews, Layne straight up said "I know it is going to kill me, but if i stop i'll die anyway" basically when you've been strungout on heroin for that long, there is no high, you're only using it to avoid getting dope sick, which is one of the most painful experiences you can have, and can lead to death.
Layne (the singer) drew that cover it's him and his girlfriend another song to check out from them is "wake up"
At the time Layne was reading The Prophet form Kahlil Gibran that's where that line comes from
I was pretty disappointed with this review I feel like it really went right over their heads...the guitarist is Mike Mccready from Pearl Jam and the drummer (I cant place his name is from Screaming Trees. They made this band as a side project DURING Alice in Chains as a effort to get them all of drugs . Layne wrote most the songs on this album himself, River of Deceit is written based off the Prophet which is a book from the 1920s, and the song matches so well with the Chapter about pain, Layne was said to be reading this book when he joined Mad Season. I feel like y'all miss out so much on this one, it fits so well with his life at this point and myself facing the same sadness in life, I relate so much to this song personally. Anyone who takes the time to read up on the book and even on Layne himself would see just how beautiful this song really is and how close to home it was for him.
Can you explain why this song was sonically a dissastor and an assault, as you put it? I would really like to understand why this song caused you so much distress.
Me too cuz that shit hurts my feelings lol. Layne was an amazing song writer
It was an exaggeration . I think layne is a great writer, it was just too draggy for me
mmmkay thats fair, Lyrically you both are spot on, I was just surprised at that comment . This is a more melancholy type of song, but looking at it from a amateur musicians point of view its beautifully composed . Off the subject, if you guys are ever driving on an open road at night I suggest listening to this again. Time and place can really put things into perspective. Thank you for your channel and thank you for your insight on all the songs you've reviewed.
@@alburnett75 one of the greatest songs in my opinion
These two critics reacted the way layne would want them to. they may not like the song, its time, lyrics or whatev; but guarantee they wont forget it. Something down the road will remind them of this song and his lifes predicament. theyve now gleamed a touch of staleys perspective on what he was fighting. I think the songs beautiful, but sometimes its fucking torture too. fun review regardless. i dug how you genuinely mull over the tune, and this isnt the only song you get such a decent dialogue moving. subbed and good day.
this band was borne out of rehab, they met in rehab (drummer and guitarist) they got Layne on board as he needed help - it was set it up to help all of them, no drugs, no alcohol...sad how it turned out. Absolutely emotional this song.
The meaning of Mad Season: River of Deceit as sung by Layne Staley.
Start off by saying this is about Layne’s drug habits particularly with Heroin! Think about it: The river(blood flow in your veins) takes down the Deceit (Heroin). If you read the lyrics now with this in mind and counter the fact this eventually led to Layne’s death is poetic. He KNEW he had a problem and was conveying that to the listener. My pain is self chosen. Pull off my skin and swim to shore…Heroin addicts pick at their skin. Shore represents being off the drug…now I can grow a beautiful shell (New Skin) for ALL TO SEE. Listen again with this in mind.
Mad Season - Wake Up
Avenged Sevenfold - A little piece of heaven
Nirvana - Aneurysm
Alice In Chains - Love,Hate,Love
Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes i love this band. Layne Staley is my favorite vocalist next to Bruce Dickinson. Mad Season and Alice in Chains great bands.
Who are these people? I stumbled across this review.... who can be reviewing music and not know who the members of Mad Season are? It's a supergroup made from member of Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam and Screaming Trees. Seattle music royalty. This album is a masterpiece. Jesus... these people just dismissing it like this with no awareness of what they just heard really bothered me. RIP Layne
Yeah Im so disappointed by this and literally disgusted by their attitudes. Especially Vin's. Not the first time actually. I stopped listening to them a while ago but saw this and was excited...Dont even know what else to say......
By reading the comments, I am going to save myself the pain of watching this.
Thanks to all the comments!
This reaction went somewhere a million miles away.
This is the most underrated band ever. Long Gone Days is their best song hands down.
The prophet is the main character in the book "the prophet" pain is self chosen is a line from the book.
I love this, new band for me, its awesome.
More music of this style would be Alice in Chains, the lead singer of them was also the lead singer of this band.
Addiction = Slow Suicide
Something I'd like to say to any of those that have never personally found themselves in the throws of addiction. This is not meant to be a knock on you for your lack of knowledge in the subject but the days of saying an addict, and I'm speaking of a "seasoned addict" if you will is a choice and they do it to themselves is not entirely true. Yes, at first you make the choice for whatever reason to try it but depending on your family history and some other personal factors it eventually becomes bigger than ones self and cannot be battled alone without professional help and a support system of loved ones, friends and family long-term. . Someone with many years fighting the battle and the time it takes to reprogram from what's "normal" brain chemistry. Eventually it becomes more powerful then the sub conscience thought of eating, sleeping, or parenting as in why you see a mother to a newborn taking a hit before feeding the child, if you think that's normal choice I don't know where you are from. In the depths of addiction, when it has become all encompassing, it literally consumes every minute of your day and every fiber of your being. It becomes so layered in physical and emotional dependence that without it you cannot do the most common every day tasks we take for granted and emotionally and psychological that it can take the sub conscience need for food, hygiene, health, love, relationships. It fills that part of the brain that serves our most animalistic instincts so running out or being out of your drug is your brain thinking you're committing suicide and alarms go off, everything else is put on hold.
The drug/s become a virtual best friend for bad or good, and trying to quit is like saying goodbye to the love of your life/best friend usually your only friend by now, not to mention after going thru hell with withdrawals, now you have to learn how to walk, talk, eat, sleep, drive, socialize.....etc without "your friend". They say the age you start using is the age you remain inside your head while your body ages.
Well thought out. ..
@@JoeL-nm2hm Hey Joe, do you really think so? I always assume no one is going to be able to understand what the hell I am blabbering about, lol. I try and deal with my OCD and ADHD (meaning I am very meticulous at taking forever to screw things up, ha) That's parallel with living in recovery which I am very passionate about, being that addiction has been a better part of most of my life and talking about it helps myself and if someone who is suffering can relate or maybe even help all the better.
Sidenote~ Born and raised in Seattle, Washington and my cousin was a well known tattoo artist and shop owner besides being in a band during the late 80's and early 90's. So that was my in to getting to meet and get to know so many of the great bands and members from that era, including Layne Staley and Mike Starr from Alice in Chains. Thanks for your comment btw.
Thank you for taking the time and courage to express this in a way anyone can understand. Its tough to not feel heard. Or being dismissed, especially when becoming vulnerable to someone hoping they will understand (like the music that got you thru when nobody else was there for you). Im assuming the people who recommended this to them genuinely felt like they would be heard.. Music is special in that way to many people. Especially when the music is designed to provoke the same, if not.. Similar emotions in the ones who listen. Much love brother, hope youre doing well.
Imagine listening to River of Deceit and not only thinking it's "country", but thinking it sucks.
It’s a shame it’s an amazing album you really should give some other songs a listen.
it's fu....grunge! not country! and this album is a masterpiece
Inspired by The Prophet by Kahlil Gibran a book of poetry:
His piece on pain ends:
Much of your pain is self-chosen.
It is the bitter potion by which the physician within you heals your sick self.
Therefore trust the physician, and drink his remedy in silence and tranquillity:
For his hand, though heavy and hard, is guided by the tender hand of the Unseen,
And the cup he brings, though it burn your lips, has been fashioned of the clay which the Potter has moistened with His own sacred tears.
RIP Layne Staley
How can you get to this point in your lives having heard so little music? I always come back to this thought when watching these two
To be honest, if I were to start reviewing R&B or Hip Hop, I would get very similar comments.
@@CallumDavage1 im religious and love this... lol huge anything layne staley fan
Vinand Sori, Iam from Washington State, the lead singer here is LAYNE STALEY ORIGINAL AND FOUNDING MEMBER OF ALICE IN CHAINS, the lead guitarist is Mike McCready from Pearl Jam the drummer is Barrett Martin from SCREAMING TREES, the bass is John Baker Saunders a guy that Mike M met while in rehab in Minnesota. The whole point to the band forming was 3 clean guys, trying to help Layne see that being sober was a good thing, too bad it didn't work, Layne wrote this song because he had come to terms with his addiction, that he had went too far and there was no turning back, AFTER LAYNES ex fiance DEMRI Parrot pron"pear roe" died of a heroin overdose Layne totally gave up on living, he had NEVER STOPPED LOVING DEMRI. BUT THIS SONG IS NOT COUNTRY lol, It's still considered grunge.
I have to keep in mind that you are a Korn fan.
Thats Layne Staley. Its his other band and its not country, its rock. Its an amazing song. Smh
This song grabbed dude's soul and scared the shit out of him... he didn't know how to react and this is the way he tried to handle it.
RIP Layne.
Great pick. As a supergroup, this is second only to Temple of the Dog (perhaps the greatest single album super group of all time). There is nothing to say really. Layne's vocals are amazing, his tortured soul comes through in every song he songs. 10/10
Wintersun-Loneliness (Winter) if you want something else with equal emotional weight behind it....
And yes I am trying to get a Thrash alliance going. Just waiting for it get put up on the V&S site. Sent the logo to Vin and everything. So look for that in the next few weeks. Time being I've thrown in with Pony (cause she's awesome).
Layne did die of a heroin overdose, its a very sad story. He could not beat it and basically closed himself off to all his friends because he was so ashamed, he died alone and ashamed and I can't really think of many sadder things than that.... One of the last things I think Layne recorded was a really great cover of Another Brick in the Wall by Pink Floyd with Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine (the band went by Class of 1999). Not really one to react to, but check it out on your own time,. Really cool cover.
I can't believe you all didn't like this. Don't get you two sometimes.......
Third to DOWN. THATS the ultimate supergroup.
Of this era, those are three top ones. When you start talking all time, you have to consider Blind Faith, Derek & The Dominos, etc etc.
yea I mean its hard to argue against Derek and the Dominos as being the best all time. I mean look at who was in that band. Just the guitar lineup alone. Insane.
Never clicked so fast!!!!
I think you guys dropped the ball on this one! Coming from a very extreme metal head, you might not think that this song has always been a favorite of mine. The music itself is great. The vocals are great. The lyrics are on-point (maybe only understood by people who have had their own demons with H). I have dabbled myself and realized how much, no matter how intelligent you are, that you will absolutely lie to yourself about your addiction. My brother has struggled for decades, he's ripped me off and most of his family. Everybody keeps saying shit like 'It's his choice to fuck his life up like this.' And to a point, I agree. But, nobody that has never dabbled in this truly understands. It completely changes the way your brain works. You will lie to yourself and to your loved ones! 😢😢
You all really missed the mark on this one. This band was experimental and their first gig they just winged it. The songs are beautiful and not really rock n roll but more like independent grudge that many many people gravitated to this band.
Alice in chains - get born again
Alice in chains - nutshell
Alice in chains - love, hate, love (live at the Moore)
such an under rated song, i jukebox it from time to time when i'm out hardly anyone i meet has ever heard it before
I can't even describe how deep and gritty this song is for me. I love this channel!! :) and I love the reaction! You guys are seriously awesome.
RIP the great Layne Staley 🔥🔥♥️
That's the lead singer of the old Alice n Chains Layne Staley good song TRY JUNKHEAD BY ALICE N CHAINS OR MORE PANTERA
Respect for being honest! Love you guys
PLEASE DO MORE RESEARCH FOR GODS SAKE! this is not country. this is a grunge supergroup that was put together to try and help Layne stay clean and focus on music. It’s his cry for help and putting all his feelings/emotions and demons out there for everyone to see. and the fact that you guys couldn’t let that touch you in the slightest is unbelievable. you can go into a deep talk and try to bring some deep meaning out of a Cannibal Corpse song but not a song that truly does speak about the emotional hurt of a real person. And he was in fact a heroin junkie and i didn’t know Layne personally but im sure he in fact did want to get clean as he had tried numerous times before. if it was that easy then nobody would be dying of overdoses everyday. please try and have some compassion for people or at least do some research on what your talking about before you make ignorant comments. you guys are really falling off for me, videos just aren’t what they use to be. just please focus on the music and lyrics and not how it ties into your life or the real world because that is NOT the point.
R.I.P. Lane
This is such a powerful song. Loved it for years
This is one of the most underrated albums of the 90s as is Temple of the Dog! 🔥🔥
it is Layne Staley and the band also has Pearl Jam guitarist Mike McCready, but this is not freaking country. Listen to "Wake Up" and "I Don't Know Anything" by them, more like your type of songs.
Thank you guys. It’s local to my state
I'm number one metal head bro and I jam the hell out of this song. You don't have to like country to enjoy the legendary voice of Layne Stayley and the lyricism of this song.
I used to listen to this song a lot when I was lost in heroin addiction. It makes me cry when I hear it today
Rip Lane you were hell of a talent. Next you could try Temple of the Dog "hunger strike"
Say Hello 2 Heaven, I bet she would love that one at least.
One of my stuck on a desert island records , the pain in Layne Staley’s voice is revealing of his struggle , it’s indie rock not country
Layne Staley was an amazing song writer! Please listen to more of him
Good song, the entire album is really good. This song is rather subdued & doesn't need a lot of changes. Not all good/great songs have a lot of tempo changes, or any other changes. I love many songs that are just straight up all the way through, no major changes. The album this song is from, has a certain flow to it & should be listened to front to back. Check out the "Live at The Moore" concert video too. Btw, I was thinking that you could easily knock out 2 shorter songs in 1 video. A couple of 4+ min. songs instead of one 8+ min song. Just a thought. :) The Oath by Mercyful Fate awaits your arrival. No Sense, &/or Rain by Candlebox too.
Katatonia - Leaders (another band you've not done before)
Country!!!??? Its grunge if you have to categorize it. Great side project/ super group. Mad season is to alice in chains, what Temple of the Dog is to soundgarden and pearl jam... Mad season actually had a pearl jam member in it...
IRON MAIDEN - SIGN OF THE CROSS (ROCK IN RIO 2001)
One of the best quotes " my pain is self chosen"
Alice in Chains is one of my top 3 of all time favorites... Layne Staley was such a beautiful, yet tortured soul. It really came through in his vocals and music. This side project Mad Season is such a different take from AiC's dark and heavy tone, but still carries the same melancholy of the former. PLEASE DO WINTERSUN - LONELINESS !!
I do respect your opinions and love the channel. Keep up the great work.
The late great Layne Staley R.I.P ☆
Love this song. Ultimate chill grunge. There's allot of context behind this song with his friend that died. 10 for me all day long.
I love this song. Great for the quiet times when you want to relax and think.
Wow, you never heard of Mad Season before?
Faith No More Midlife Crisis
this song fucking kills me. the thing Vin said about "something inside of you that's so broken you're willing to go in that direction" felt like it tore my heart out of my chest.
The best song off this album is "Wake up"
One of the most beautiful songs ever written.
To understand this song one must understand Layne . Threw music he brings you into his life and makes you feel his pain . Layne is and was a game changer !
Btw the "Prophet" Layne is speaking of is the book "The Prophet" by Khalil Gibran. He was reading it when they recorded this record.
Watched this again... was reminded why I can't sub, and rarely check in.....flat out disregard. Vin and Sori have a way to go in accumulating a musical frame of reference.... severely handicapped. It's not about tastes, you literally don't know what you are hearing.
One more point, not every song has to be headbanging and hard driving. Everyone has their favorite type of music, but being open-minded is an asset.
Oh good old grunge, with one of the Best ever singer Layne Staley R.I.P.
not even close to grunge you twat
Layne was sober when he wrote this. This was a band by four men from other bands. Each member was in recovery from addiction.
Layne Staley of Alice in Chains (Vocals) relapsed and ODed.
Mike McCready - Pearl Jam (guitars)
Barrett Martin - Screaming Trees (drums)
John Baker Saunders - The Walkabouts (Bass) relapsed and ODed.
Great song. Not country. His pain is self chosen because he is an addict, he chose to do drugs.
I always remember buying this album. I was in 11th grade when it came out. I had just gotten my drivers license. After school I asked my mom for ten bucks and to borrow her car. I drove to Tower Records and purchased it. I loved this album. I was a mega Pearl Jam and Alice In Chains fan. I still am. Maybe more today than ever. This song is excellent.
Songs touch everyone differently. Y'all say you will never play it again...but it is maybe the song I play the most. It's not filled with the best of this or that, but it opens up a really good mood space for spending time with my thoughts. I typically see what is bringing me down, I determine the value of what I allow to bring me down, and then choose to free myself of it. Deceit can lead you into what is good for another, if you let it...but is detrimental to yourself.
Great song and channel, please if you can do "for the greater good of god" by Iron Maiden. Would love to hear your input on that song. Peace x
LOVE THIS SONG & Layne's Voice, Just so haunting
To anyone reading comments,
The mind is deceitful however you can choose everyday to do something to overcome it.
Hugs to all
It's like Layne knows his life is swirling down the drain...but his addiction makes it impossible to avoid and he has come to accept the eventuality of it......it's so sad and yet eloquent.
RIP Layne....
Hypocrisy - Adjusting the Sun!!! What have you got to lose?
163: Epica - Consign to Oblivion (live at the Zenith)
Carcass Heart Work... Forbidden twist into form...Godflesh like Rats...
Fatherdirt yeah, carcass is great!
1:30 Sori, you are thinking of 'Seven Kingdoms' (awesome power-metal band, btw) which is how many kingdoms there are in Westeros, where Game Of Thrones takes place.
Mad season wake up is extremely powerful you guys would really enjoy!!!!
And yes!! The lyrics are genius!!!!! All his lyrics were! Please give him a chance
One of the best Groups All time with the best singer (Layne = GOAT)
One of the best albums I own. Not everything needs to sound like Korn. To each their own.
“I don’t know anything” would probably the only song they’d like off that album.
This song always brings me too tears! For 20 + years now
Type O Negative - Unsuccessfully Coping With the Natural Beauty of Infidelity
PLEASE
For the love of baby Jesus, enough Type O already.
Off of Slow, Deep, and Hard. Not a live version, which Vin and Sori tend to do.
Devil Doll - Mr. Doctor
Devil Doll is an Italian-Slovenian experimental rock band formed in 1987 by the mysterious "Mr. Doctor". The band has gained a cult following, taking influences from gothic rock, classical and Slavonic folk music, and fronted by the sprechgesang of Mr. Doctor himself. The band is notable for very lengthy epics, none under 20 minutes
Country? Haha! No. Layne's haunting voice is otherworldly. Great song. Mad Season was a side project for members of a few other bands.
Holy cow! I suggested this months ago! There is a wonderful live version of this......