"...the death of MILLIONS is a statistic." The Fallen of WWII (first time watching)
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As a half Russian, this breaks my heart, there is a saying that in the war, every family from USSR lost someone...
I am Russian and I have not lost a single direct relative. All my great-grandfathers survived and returned from the war. Also my great-grandfather's brother fought in Stalingrad. He also survived. I don't know anything about other relatives.
@@Anonymous-qj3sf рад что они были в безопасности
absolutely anyone from any Soviet republic lost a relative in the war.I have both great-grandfathers "missing", I am sure that they died, but their bodies were simply not found.
@@carsismyaddiction6919 In my small hometown (pop. 50k) in Romania there are buried 140 unknown Soviet soldiers. Imagine how many more are in bigger places all over Europe
Russia never learned its lesson...
5:32 The American deaths in 1943 happened in Africa and Italy before D-Day.
And war with Japon
Also in the air during the bombing campaigns over Europe
The numbers are from combination of the Pacific War New Guinea, Guadalcanal, various Naval engagements, Philippines, wake island during the year of 1942.
On the European front they mostly mean North Africa and later Italy which ground to slow slog which brought on the need to invade Normandy its an oversimplification but it's more or less correct.
you must be a Britt.
9:44
Why people in the west keep saying that "they don't care about their loses"? They don't care or you don't care?
Yeah I stopped there for a moment too. There's a huge and loud reason for modern Russians to celebrate victory day as THE most important holiday even above Birthday, Christmas or New Year. The level of eternal gratitude to these heroes is something "western audience" never grasps.
they dont care- because they threw them away in the first place?
It's not that hard to understand if you actually pay attention to the information being presented to you
You can look up the statistics and see which side of history you landed on if you're confused about who runs you and who doesnt
They didn't care. That's a known fact. Sadly they still don't care enough about their own people today.
@@adlerzwei Yet most American combat veterans are homeless and cannot find reasonable care.
Stalin didn't care so much....Alot of the Soviet Leadership didn't really care about the numbers of lives lost because of their outlook on the lives in relation to The State. As long as they won or stopped the enemy they were willing to pay in that blood.
After Pearl harbor in 1941, the Japanese attacked Guam and the Philippines a few days/weeks after. Then in 1942 the Pacific Island campaigns began, spearheaded by the United States Marine Corps and the United States Navy along with Australia and Great Britain. Those are some of the deaths you see on the timeline immediately after Pearl Harbor.
Probably also includes US deaths fighting in the North African and later Italian campaigns before the Normandy landings.
You know what's crazy? A current Russian soldier in the Ukraine war; his Great Great Grandfather could have been in the Russian Revolution, His Great Grandfather could have been in WW2, his Grandfather could have been in Afghanistan in the 80s, his father could have been in Chechnya and now he himself is in Ukraine. If my math is correct and given specific years.
It’s a different culture for sure tho. They also get paid much better than the average person and they really do it a lot for the families. It’s honestly no different from the USA or past USA. It was seen as honorable and truthfully countries today that make it weird to want to join the military aren’t getting the numbers to fight anymore. Countries need a healthy way to get people to join the military because when you don’t you get people not joining and having problems like in the uk.
Its been pretty crazy seeing Russian guys on the front finding natsi insignias and flags from the Ukrainians knowing their grandpa's also fought the same people on the same ground in WW2.
@@unstoppable1727 I agree. Part of the problem with recruiting is that we don't really have a nationalist sense of pride anymore. People don't want to go through hell for a country they don't even love. So instead, we bribe people to join with benefits. When you do that, you attract the lowest common denominator- Usually anyway. Now you've got women twerking in uniform and bragging about how much they make. There used to be a time in America's history when being a soldier was honored and respected.
@@MS-wz9jm There are indeed Nazis rampant throughout the Ukrainian government and armed forces. Not to mention the corruption.
My grandfather was first generation Polish American and fought in ww2. Poland has many friends in America. Oh, those first American deaths were in the Pacific.
American soldiers first entered the European theater with "Operation Torch" in November of 1942. They landed with British and Allied forces in Casablanca and Algeria. My dad was among them. They fought their way across North Africa and into Italy. They liberated Rome 2 days before the D-Day landing in Normandy.
I only just discovered this and looked up Operation Torch when I saw Casablanca mentioned and discovered that the film of this name was loosely based on this situation using the more personal story to highlight the overall situation. I've never actually seen the film but understanding this makes me more interested in seeing as I like to know the context of films and characters. Will also see what other information I can get on Operation Torch. Thank you for sharing the information you did.
That's not European theatre
That is African theatre
Americans entered first entered in 1943 In italian theatre
Is Africa Theater not Europe Theater
@@komisiantikorupsikoruptord6257 No. There are basically an agreed upon 7 continents. Antarctica, Australia, Africa, South America, North America, Europe and Asia. Even when the continents are reduced to 5, I believe North and South America are out together as "The Americas" and the Europe and Asia are put together as "Eurasia", but Africa and Europe, or even African and Eurasia are not seen as being part of the same continent as you have the Mediterranean Sea between them.
@@Loulizabeth
1.afro-asia Continent
2.America Continent
4. Australian Island
4. Edge of the world Antarctica
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Thabks for doing this one!
My great-grandfather was one of the few that managed to get out of the trap of stalingrad. He was seriously ill and was transported out on one of the last planes before the soviets completely encircled the city. He became a cementary gardener. My great-uncle and my pregnant great-grandmother survived the firestorm-bombing of Dresden. My great-granduncle cant stand the sight of bonfires because he saw the sky burning above him and all those casaulties as a child... he became a peace activist in the militarized soviet-socialist part of germany, against the nuclear arms race, as a youth bishop of the church and the secret service sent threatening letters to his wife and neighbours, put him under surveillance by civilian moles, even tried to kill him once. He is still with us, and he had a good part in organizing the protests that led to the protests, that led to the peaceful downfall of the system and to the reunification of germany. Sadly, because the socialism took all the bigger possesions in the east, no eastern german had big money, so when it changed to west german capitalism, everything went bancrupt and was sold to rich west german investors for an apple and en egg... a reason why there are still hard feelings today.
As a german with polish ancestry i only hope, that we remember this dark time very well but don't let us tear apart facing the current threat. We have to be reliable allies to secure the independence of all european nations. Especially when the US may leave us alone with all this mess.
i don't think enough people get that this video is to educate poorly educated north americans on some of the major losses in the war since they don't even know what shape the planet is...
Flat-Earthers are insufferable.
I am Armenian, that was born in Russia and i live in Russia. Both of my great grandfathers fought in WWII. Almost every family in my country lost at least one person in this war. Your reaction was cool. This video makes me sad, because i think, that people life should not be taken from anyone. Be good and be in peace. I hope, that everyone from everywhere will be well and safe. Be careful, you all!!!
These mfs still think the soviets didn't care how many lives the lost, fo you think they willingly rushed B to death 😂
Might be weird to understand for a westerner, but no the government didn't care, same as is happening now, the only thing the russians ever had/have is raw manpower, after stalin's purges before WW2 the russian army was so poorly prepared for any conflict that a lot of these deaths could have been avoided, as same as nowadays in ukraine they had rear units just killing you if you dared to retreat, so again no, they didnt care about how many they lost, cause they knew in the end their numbers would prevail.
Yes... Stalin didn't care about the Soviet people, and neither did most of the officers who were yes men and replaced the purged ones in the late 30's to 41. It is only by the end of 1942 really that the purged officers are brought back and the incompetent ones replaced with skilled ones.
the US fully joined the war after Pearl Harbor. Hitler declared war on the US 11 days after the US declared war on Japan. The US fought the Japanese and Nazis from the time of Pearl Harbor until the end of the war. No idea why you thought we didn't join until 1944
Yes, as you recalled...the US got involved in the fighting in North Africa with the Operation Torch landings in November of 1942, and was a full partner with the British in the fighting for Sicily and then Italy.
The only issue that I have with the video is that it does not include all civilian deaths. It may or not be a small issue, but the US lost 12k civilian merchantmen during the war, and Canada lost another several thousand, and neither is indicated in the numbers Halloran gives for civilian deaths. Yes, those small numbers make it seem like it is not really very important...but then again, isn't it important to note ALL the sacrifices made by ALL the countries? I mean, weren't the men who died in the Battle of the Atlantic fighting just as hard to keep the UK and USSR free as many of the British and Soviets themselves? Aren't their deaths just as important to at least make note of?
Sorry, I know those are relatively small things for Halloran to leave out in the grand scheme of his video, and I don't want to make a big deal of it...I just want to let you folks know that even this terrific and impactful video has some small items that were left out.
P.S. The man you were talking about in the British Air Force that was in charge of the bombing of Germany's cities was Arthur Harris...who was usually referred to as "Bomber" Harris. When he took command of the RAF bomber strategic bomber campaign, the RAF switched from trying to attack only industrial and military targets to "area bombing" of cities...Harris may not have come up with the phrase, but the goal became to "dehouse the German workforce". Also, that type of fire in the Tokyo firebombing of March 9/10, 1945 is called a "firestorm", and it is basically the same type of fire that famously occurred in Hamburg and Dresden when they were bombed.
Well there are entire countries that he left out of the video, so those civilians may be a rather minor "error" in the grand scheme of things.
We suffered 95,000 killed out of a population smaller than 4 million fighting off Soviet invasions and are not mentioned or shown in the video at all.
@@jm-holm🤣🤣🤣this video is just propaganda 😂🤣🤣 making the Soviets look evil while the west is less evil😭😭
huh? if anything it does the opposite. it doesn't mention the soviet war crimes at all apart from what they did to the german women.
he does say in the video give or take its not like they are saying its definite
I appreciate that the information was laid out like this because it's hard for me to visualize numbers that big in this context. It's devastating. And as WWII passes from living memory it seems there are more and more people around the world all too willing to stoke up the attitudes and replicate the conditions that precipitated the war in the first place.
There's a You Tube channel called The History Guy: History Deserves to Be Remembered that has a really cool video called The Night Witches and World War II. It's a great story. If you can't get that one, the band Sabaton has a history channel that tells the same story: Night Witches - Female Soviet Pilots - Sabaton History 050 [Official]
To answer your question about the U.S. Deaths in 1943, it would likely be a combination between the 8th Air Force bombing German targets in France, and Germany, but most would likely be from the U.S. Navy and Marine Corps in the pacific in Naval and Island battles such as Guadalcanal, the battle of Iron Bottom Sound, the Solomon Islands, ECT. U.S. Deaths in Europe did not really ramp up till D-Day, although the 6th Air Force did take some heavy casualties, but not enough to account for those numbers, those likely came from the Pacific.
In 1943 the U.S. also had deaths in North Africa, Sicily and Italy.
In 1942-3 the deaths were from Africa and the Pacific
I would argue that regardless of how you feel about the long peace and that wars still occured during it, the effect it had on the world is still strong. The ukraine-russia war has broken alot of the trends mentioned in the video but the international repsonse has largely been either neutral or conflict averse. I'd say that proves the long peace was real and may discourage other nations from starting large wars.
If the US did not use nuclear bombs. They estimate that the US would lose over one million soldiers interning Japan. Japanese solders later stated that the US actually saved lives because Japan would not surrender.
War feeds war. Germany was trying to get the terretory Back which WE lost after 1 worldwar. Danzig was Part of poland. Allies guaranted danzig AS new Part of poland so poland resisted. Then WE started the Invasion and worldwar 2 began
you don't understand how much the Soviet Union sacrificed.
We all detest Putin now .
Yes, it sacrificed its own civilians mostly... -.-
@@dxb8086 Please don't count the Jews
@@CoolHandLuke-q1espeak for yourself. Alot love Putin. Cope.
The deaths in 42 and 43 where in the pacific, North Africa and Italy as well as the air campaign in Europe.
they had sighns up that said "remember to dont eat youre children"
So just to be clear, I am pretty sure that Halloran did count the deaths from the wars in Yugoslavia, but they were counted as deaths in a "civil war with foreign intervention", or in both that category and in the category for "civil wars without intervention." The video was posted in 2016 or 2017, so he would have included the wars in Yugoslavia...though he obviously had no idea of the Russians invading Ukraine.👍
To be fair, most people in Ukraine and Russia back in 2016-17 were pretty much aware about what's coming and where it's heading, but it was already the "no breaks" situation with the only question "when?". One side shouts "hang the moskovit" and opposing this makes you a traitor, the other side cries increasingly louder for Russia to intervene in ATO. At that point all involved parties had their "unacceptible" lines well established, so we knew it's gonna escalate eventually.
the war between Russia and Ukraine was predicted already in 1993, After the collapse of the USSR, and then after the American "democrat Yeltsin" sent tanks to shoot at the Russian white house, in which there was an absolutely legitimate government, which, having constitutional right, deprived Yeltsin of the post of president for corruption and association with criminal groups. After black October, Yeltsin illegally regained power and declared amnesty to all participants in this terrorist act. and now the United States, which arranged all this and supported Yeltsin all this time, is unhappy that the criminals they brought to power in Russia started a war with Ukraine. "how unexpected"
@@krevetka9744Громкое высказывание, учитывая что ситуация с годами практически деэскалировалась в последние годы перед 2022
I wished this guy would make more videos. Can't find to many of this guy's videos.
This video does not include the Bengal famine of 1943. Poor British administration, rice crop failure, food shortages and the ongoing war lead to the deaths of 800k to 3,8 million Indians. Empire, witch you can find on Spotify, has two great episodes about it.
1943 was indeed in North Africa.
I have an issue with referring to the entire German army as „Nazis“. Maybe cause myGerman great grandfather fought in WW2 but didn‘t support the Nazis. Most were just drafted men.
There was always a clash between the Wehrmacht and SS because of that. No surprise it's the Wehrmacht who'd switch sides to fight Nazis, at times.
@@Aughtel exactly.
Not every German was a Nazi, and not every Nazi was German!
@@arnodobler1096 well said (except that literally every member of the Nazi Party was German)
It was complicated, like most of history. They weren’t all Nazis by any means, but they also didn’t have clean hands. Even for those without a direct hand in atrocities, fighting in the German military was enabling all of the worst. Without soldiers willing to fight “for their country” the rest couldn’t have happened. Many didn’t have much if any choice that wouldn’t destroy their lives and possibly cost their own, but they doesn’t absolve them of the consequences of their support in the military as a whole. I wouldn’t judge any individual soldier (at least not without knowing they had directly supported naziism etc) but the military as whole and their leadership I absolutely judge.
He shouldn’t be saying ‘Nazi’ he should have said Germans, it lowers the remorse of our lost. Most men in the Wehrmacht were Conscripts whom had little knowledge of the government and wrong doing of the Schutzstaffel. No innocent being deserves death.
Totally agree, I said something similar myself.
Pearl Harbor was attacked on December 7, 1941. Shortly after the Pacific Islands Campaign began as Japan attacked other Islands, that's what those early American deaths are from.
Many of the U.S. deaths in 1943 were from North Africa, Sicily and Italy.
yes 42 was in africa.. that was first, italy and germany in africa then italy, france etc in that order
Be like Poland 🇵🇱 u guys got it right u guys have bin tru so much being closed in on both side by the German and the Russians, we literally went to war because Germany invaded Poland and we let you down and now you’re the safest country in Europe because you’re doing it right not letting everybody who wants to come in come in by your compassion, you’re talking a lot of people from Ukraine legitimate refugeesnot just random people from Muslim countries be like Poland.
The An Lushan rebellion is pretty dusputed in terms of numbers. The "losses" are based on the census numbers before and after, but it's very likely that simply the ability of the bureaucracy of the Chinese Empire to conduct a census to the same standard as before was interrupted as a result of the revolt. So most of the "victims" were probably not actually dead, but the administration was not on the same level anymore, so they were not counted.
Those numbers are wrong. USSR lost 10.6 million solgiers,Germany and their allies lost 8.5 m
I wonder why they keep silence about Romania finnland hungary and many other european countries and their solgiers,that fought against the Russians
u got any data to support your claim? Xd
Bro you want them to include every single thing? I guess idk
@@TheAlkochef This article shows the number of prisoners of war in the USSR by nationality. There you will see the French, Czechs, Poles, Norwegians, Hungarians and a bunch of other nationalities. For example, there are about 22 thousand French there. How did they get there? They probably fought against the USSR as part of Nazi Germany.
ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Военнопленные_в_СССР_во_время_Второй_мировой_войны
North Africa, Italy, etc
"Oversimplified: WW2" is also a very good video to react to.
Thank you, we actually have it up already if you're interested :) You can find it in the Oversimplified playlist
@@WW-Reactions Thanks...I watched it and should have looked prior to posting my comment.
@@WW-ReactionsIt is very insulting how much the Soviet Union sacrificed in the Second World War.Even though Germany is trying to genocide Russia, you are still mocking it.
The other video on Neil Halloran's channel about a possible nuclear war is also pretty interesting and well made.
They also invaded Southern Italy the allies in 1942 43
If you're interested in more WW2 content i'd recommend watching "WW2 With Army Sizes" By Christopher. I has over 37 million views at the time of writing this comment. It helps put things into perspective just like this video regarding the sheer scale of people involved fighting on each side.
The Americans attacked the Imperial Army of Japan before ever entering the European theater. That's what the deaths are between Pearl Harbor and D-Day
"Attacked" more like retaliated.
During that time Americans were also killed in North Africa, Sicily and Italy.
'41 was Pearl Harbor
Do you guys react to music videos? If so or if your interested there is a band called Sabaton they have there own history channel and there songs are about all the wars and they cover different sides to the stories we know giving us a great insight about humans and what heroes villains and heroicness or sadness we all have gone through.
Please react to "WW2 Everyday with Army Sizes" by Christopher. It's the best way to understand WW2. Thanks.
The war in Ukraine is a minor event compared to WW2.
Do the math. WW2 36% of the world's population was killed or wounded in just 6 years. World population was barely 2 billion. Now we have even bigger weapons. Even only increase to 50% killed and wounded in next World War. That's 4 billion dead and wounded. It would make WW2 numbers look like a minor scermish.
Half a million casualty is not a minor event, it could be the start of ww3
Hense the "military operation". Even comparing 1 year of Gaza and 3 years of Ukraine paints a very interestaing, yet grim picture.
MM, you need to do the math again, 70m is 3.6% of 2B not 36%
do real life lore deaths of ww1.. its a similar format. and terrifying
The Jugoslawian war was seen as a civil war and not direkt war
1943
Midway,Guadanacal,Tunézia
Russia never learned their lesson...
Это Европа не усвоила урок.
what are you talkin about ?
He doesn't have a clue of what he's talking about. None of his dates are correct.
1941 pearl harbor
Thanks for pointing that out they seem to have missed that date
womp womp
My grandfather fought in N Africa in 1942. We were in Italy in 1943. Lots of US died in the Pacific 1942-1945.
if u talk over the video instead of pausing when u talk, people leave.. 1.5 million died from starvation in leningrad, u talked over that nightmare
Damn 3/4 of population died of starvation it’s horrifying
23:05
I know that it may sound a little strange to some people - but world peace after 1945 until "today" was also due to the merit or efforts of a small government city - Bonn on the Rhine in Germany (West).
For 40 years, the politicians in this small town were supposed to reorganize world politics with their partners in the world, give precedence to international law, work towards peace through bilateral and multilateral agreements and symbolic gestures of peace (kneeling in Warsaw), normalize tensions and be the bridge between the Americans and Russians, just in case the "wire" between the two got hot again.
And all against the one background: "Never again!"
I have no intention of putting Germany in a good light. But I believe that today everyone would say that Germany has made itself, has become a peace-loving state, serves peace and addresses the problems of the world. And I believe that this period of peace after 1945 is also based on the efforts of the old "Bonn Republic" in Germany (West).
In 1999, the government in Bonn is dissolved and it is decided to return to Berlin. The Cold War is over - the Bonn period, as a child of the cold war, also.
If you talk over the commentary, as you did more than once, you miss what you are being told.
why are u laughing at people deaths? I dont get it
Didnt care how nany people they loses...Shame on you. Be grateful.
my grandparents where survivors of Auschwitz they were political prisoners (its most likely thats the reason why they survived) He was good with data but he could of been better. The actual tally updated is that Hitler and the Nazis killed 27 million civilians and soldiers while Stalin murdered 57 million of his own people (before you add the conflict numbers in ww2) ALSO remember the persecutions under the soviet regime started in 1945 and contiuned until Stalin's death (greatly lessened) the video is older and doesnt include Ukraine Russian conflict because it was made in 2015 data wise. ALSO the video doesnt include the man made famine caused in Ukraine by Stalin because that occurred shortly before the second world war. ANOTHER thing is that is classification to modern post ww2 conflicts in europe werent by DATA classification considered apart of ww2 but more of an result of geopolitical events that occurred from 1945 onwards. AND LASTLY an correction the United States DIDNT enter the second world war officially in 1942 but they did so in 1941 (remember also that they were neutral thou supplying arms to uk and could of been thrust into the conflict easily before pearl harbor but that didnt happen luckly). the war was won on the allies side by literally 3 descisions and events (thou not at the time could of been foreseen we only see them by hindsight) these events were 1: Hitlers Airforce lost the Battle of Britian (thus operation sealion was prosponded and no invasion of uk occurred) 2: Hitler turned and attacked his then ally Stalin rather late in season for invasion of Russia (and like other historical leaders ignored the warning of military history as regards to Russia) 3: The Russian counterattack and opening due to the D-Day invasion which opened up another avenue of attack (the Canadians were specifically able to get supplies to Red Army via the Artic which seems to get forgotten alot in history) Sorry for my professor mode rant and great reaction.
You have to thank the British for everything
You know you shouldn’t talk over the narrator you miss what ‘S being said you pause sometimes but not always and talking over the narrator is dumb and annoying for us viewers. Apart from that I like your reactions.
They are not professional broadcasters. They are just regular people, like you and me.
Why she lookin at me like i did this
No offense, but I dont think that the Soviet Union "did not care how many people they lost".... Every single dead person there had a family... Trust me... They did care.
who cares
The anti-Stalin propaganda is crazy tho
Despite all that happened he was as bad as the nazi. How many of his own people did he murder? How many people from the neighboring countries? He was just as bad but he passed under the radar. How do I know? I live in eastern europe and I blame him for the state people are in to this day. Do you know what Russia did to Poland?
“Anti Stalin” 😂
What’s a few million corpses amongst friends !
@@bri_____ Source: polish and estonian history books 😂
It’s almost as if this video were made by someone within the Anglosphere.
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The nazis monsters are bad ,if u fought on there side u r not innocent sorry about your grandfather
я русски отстанет от нас пожалуйста
im european leave ukraine and the rest of us alone please
So wise@@Alakablam
The us was fighting in the pacific first.
America joined in '41 not '42