The walkers was a little smarter in season 1. Morgans walker wife remembered what house they was staying in, she remembered how to ring doorbell, and she remembered how to turn door knob. The little kid rick walked into when he was looking for gas picked up her stuffed toy and was walking around holding it.
and in the episode they were trapped in atlanta and merle was stuck on the roof, the zombies were picking up rocks and banging it against the glass which broke the glass doors open
My take: The walkers were faster in seasons one and two because of the "freshness" of their corpses. In later seasons the zombies slowed down (and were in poorer condition) due to cellular degradation and possible a lack of food as the population dwindled (or fortified themselves). We learn in World Beyond that the scientists are working on a way to quicken the degradation process to eventually shorten the "life" span of the walkers. However, the newly revived zombie in the post credit scene of the last episode of World Beyond is clearly a new type of zombie. She revived much quicker than the old ones, she moved faster, she seemed more agile and coordinated and she went strait for the door (meaning she retains some sort of memory, probably due to them jumpstarting the circulatory system).
I have PhDs in biochemistry as well as immunology and microbiology and I have completed by doctorate which makes me a doctor. Prior to the collapse I was part of a 10-person team at the Human Genome Project that weaponized diseases to fight weaponized diseases, pathogenic microorganisms with pathogenic microorganisms. Fire with Fire. Interdepartmental drinks were had, relationships made, information shared. I'm keenly aware of all the details behind fail-safe delivery systems to kill every living person on this planet. I believe with a little tweaking on the terminals in DC we can flip the script. Take out every last dead one of them. Fire with Fire.
My thoughts: Rick is immune, the virus kept him alive after being in the hospital bed for 2 months. He somehow cheated the system by being in the coma, so the virus just kept him alive by thinking he was already turned? That’s how he survived. I tried to make that make sense, so I’m sorry if it didn’t.
@@Commander_Thorn. there was a webisode kind of explaining how Rick survived. There was a doctor looking after all of the patients in the hospital so thats how rick survived. But the doctor died in the end.
One of the main parts of the twd story is Rick trying to find his family, as a completely normal guy. He isn’t a cure or immune, just someone trying to get his family. The Creators also stated that they don’t want to have a cure or start to the apocalypse to keep the story as horror instead of SciFi
“Dr. Jenner might not be dead” .... willingly locked himself in a room and exploded the building with temperatures closely relative to that of the surface of the sun, I’m going to go out on a limb and say he ain’t walkin’ away from that
The zombies that displayed some semblance of human behavior -- despite being dead -- were utterly terrifying because that limited human behavior made them less predictable + no more pain sensation. I loved the first season of TWD. Heck, I loved the first 3 seasons of it. But it got stagnant as the years continued to pass us by.
It really did. I stopped watching after season six. It was too much running away, fighting people, finding safe haven, safe haven compromised or destroyed, wash/rinse/repeat.
Just think how stupid it sounds smart zombies 🧟♂️ How many characters we love kept zombie love one’s ☝🏾with them, hoping they change back. Feeding them reading to them Governor Daughter ect… all comes to the same conclusion, either be bitten by the love zombie or someone with brains 🧠 comes in and kill the zombies 🧟♂️ right in front of you🤬
I thought that too .. I first thought that when Morgan was found.. how his wife was a Zombie.. but knew where her house was and tried to open the door.. I remember them panning into the zombies eyes.. hinting that there was a memory left perhaps.
@@02ujtb00626 Negan surviving the attack on the Sactuary because suddenly no one could aim THEN launching the three pronged counter attack on the rest of the groups after being totally surrounded and depleted was the final straw for me. Ridiculous, lazy writing. Really, the episode where Carol killed Lizzy was the last good episode.
The problem with the zombie apocalypse is that they don't drink. And regardless of a low metabolism. Standing in the elements would dry you out. And not to mention bugs love to eat dead flesh. And lay their eggs in it. So the zombies would basically be nothing but squirming piles of maggots by the end of the week.
Yeah thats why a zombie apocalypse never made sense to me be the end of the first year all the original zombies would be dead and the survivors can just start rebuilding not worrying about zombies anymore
Yes, they would decompose fast. Rain, frost, heat, drought, pretty much any condition we can imagine erodes the body. The reason why we live so long is that we constantly rebuild ourselves. They dont. There is nothing in the series that suggests that the zombies even have _any_ metabolism. We dont see them regenerating by eating people.
Yeah, as far as I can tell they don't. My impression is it's a disease that transforms the brain and spine into something else. And that something else kind of treats the rest of the body like a meat puppet.
@@christopheranderson2769 I guess thats as good an explanation as you can give because if you go deeper than that, it just wont make any sense no matter how you look at it. There are simply too many inconsistencies.
I always thought that there was a secret twist as to why we follow Rick. I think that him waking up in the hospital was actually him "turning" but as the only successful person to come back from being dead.
@@borekkymal7025 I explained plot armour to my kids. now when we are watching a movie and there's a scary part they lean over and say "hey, does have plot armour?" heh yes dear, Aladdin has plot armour, the movie is named after him
I really wish that the zombies getting less smart was due to them just decaying, but unfortunately it was just the director changing. It would have been interesting to see different variants of zombies who were infected at different times, like faster zombies than other who are running and are a little smarter like opening door knobs and picking up rocks or climbing like the zombies from the mall episode
It would be interesting, but it wouldn't be The Walking Dead! The slow moving corpses is an integral part of TWD and especially the story of the main show.
I actually liked that in Romero’s universe, zombies got smarter as their bodies physically degraded. Though arguably they weren’t ‘getting smarter’ so much as applying knowledge that they’d ‘re-learned’ since death had essentially ‘reprogrammed’ and wiped their brains before they revived . . .
I always chalked the zombies becoming less threatening up to them rotting. Running and climbing would become exceedingly more difficult the more your body decays. It would make sense they stop running at some point to avoid literally falling apart. Also, while I do not mind not getting all the answers in a movie, I think that in a long series such as TWD I am kind of owed some answers after watching ten seasons. :P
Kirkman's reasoning as to describe it as "boring" is just his way of making sure he can keep milking the show. I don't think he gets paid much (I feel like AMC takes 90% of the cut) and he is probably on some kind of contract or something which is why he keeps defending AMC and he is currently in court with AMC defending against Darabont. Also Kirkman's writing is ummm.... well you know.
@Zanimations I pushed through until Rick left the show just because I enjoyed most of the cast. First couple seasons were best. My 3yo daughter is weird and loved watching with me lol
@Zanimations my oldest daughter is pretty strange. My 1yo daughter is easily scared but my 3yo is a creepy critter. Not scared of anything. She knows it's all pretend. She always wants to watch all horror shows with me. My little gothic creepy barbie girl I guess. 😆
I'll admit, I haven't watched Walking Dead since S6, but I always found it intriguing that everyone was infected. The fact that the whole population and even unborn children are infected was a plot that was always interesting, but not investigated enough.
My personal theory since the beginning of the series is that they retain some things that are routine for them in their personal life (taking the bus, going to church, going home). The reason why we dont see many examples of this much later in the series is due to the affect of the virus on their brains slowing them down and completely taking their humanity, leaving an empty husk who's only goal is to eat the living (kind of like the virals from dying light, who can run and climb things and can even speak in certain situations only shortly after they've turned. Survivors who we've seen turn don't present these side-effects as they're constantly on the move, leaving no time for a routine to be engraved into their brain which they can act on after the fact. Things like taking the bus, remembering your address, running, etc. are all things that one would routinely do for years on end and are something they're basically meant to do, so after they turn, their brains only instinct is to do what they've been doing for ages. When a survivor out in an unfamiliar location turns, they'll just stand around until provoked as they don't recognize their surroundings, whereas those who turned in the beginning of the apocalypse kept parts of their routine as they turned in their homes, workplaces, etc., places they've probably been to hundreds of times. Just my little theory!
One thing that has always bothered me is how they are functional after so long of constant rot. I remember in s2 or s3, Rick mentioned that the winter slowed them down, but if their brain froze, it would basically turn to mush when thawed.
I mean this doesn't fix the issue but I don't think he was implying that their brains froze, I think they were just referencing how lower body temperatures mean less internal energy. Which doesn't really make sense for walking corpses but whatevs
That is the big fail of the zombie genre and the reason I find them boring: Cellular decay would render ANY zombie unable to function or even move after less than 2 weeks except under very specific conditions. Even under those conditions they would only gain a week at best. The "zombie" would have to be almost fully alive with a working respiratory and digestive system of some kind in order to actually get the materials and nutrients to keep functioning. That is what the early Resident Evil games actually did right by the virus causing cellular mutation in nature instead of just bringing them back to life. The later games just went absolutely bonkers though
@@noremac7216 oh in reguards to the brain freezing, that was me saying that it does. I understand what Rick said to mean either they couldn't move much cause of the body freezing, or that the weather slowed them down. But freezing the brain is like trying to freeze a head of lettuce. Had such a high water content that when the ice crystals puncture the cell walls, there's no structure to support it, so it turns to mush
In the real world, the zombies would last a couple of months at most. The reason they last so long in the show is simply that otherwise there would be no show past season 1 or 2.
I always wondered why we havent seen mass deaths of zombies now that we are going on 10 yrs into the apocalypse. Their bodies should have deteriorated. At some point there should be less zombies not more.
Yeah you’re body can only last a month if you starve yourself to death plus you only have 4 days supposedly before you die of dehydration 🤷🏻♂️. Ironically the dead undead would be dieing.
Some examples of fast moving zombies.S01E01 when Rick is on horseback in Atlanta and the helicopter passes overhead, the dead move fast. Certainly more fast than a walk. S02E01, when Sophia is running from the two zombies chasing her and Rick follows (also running), both zombies are moving fast, certainly more than a walk and enough to keep up with Sophia. S02E02 when Shane and Otis are running from the zombies while getting medical supplies for Carl, the zombies are literally running after them. A final observation: within the first two minutes of S01E01, the little dead girl pick up and carries her teddy-bear. Is that not some sort of memory?
They were only fast in those few scenes. Otherwise they moved how you'd expect a zombie to move. Notice how in those scenes that they ran nobody really commented on the fact they could run; they kind of accepted it like "yeah I guess that's what it is". It's called plot convenience: the plot will bend the rules of the universe in a few scenes for dramatic tension and what not and nobody should really question it.
I remember when the Whispers first made their appearance I was scared shitless. Before we knew they were actually people, it terrified me to think the Zombies were talking, working together, and using weapons. The amount of relieve I felt when it was revealed they were human was just insane
I never really thought about he people who didn't know about the whisperers from the comics before the show. I would have been terrified too and totally let down to find out they were just people in skin masks lol idk why I always assumed everyone who watched it knew about the whisperers
@Arthur Morgan With the exception of the dialog on feeling the pain of being dead, smart zombies *always* come off as goofy. Not even Romero made that work very well, and he's the one who popularized zombie apocalypses. The intimidation factor completely goes away the moment a zombie says "brains." At that point its just a joke.
The whisperers being introduced was definitely one of the best things in the show, if you read the comics then you would’ve been extremely excited because of how amazing the arc was in there
@@bullymaguire7554 many years ago, I used to creep up to my friend’s bedroom window in the college dorms and rasp, “Brains!” When she jumped out of her skin, it was indeed funny every time.
I think her reanimating and going after the dude is leading towards the zombies eventually becoming aware enough to be more tactful and manipulative, would lead to a lot of very interesting scenes.
I still like my theory that the virus was not developed as a weapon but as part of a life extension project. However, the virus mutated (as they do) and became the zombie virus which only brought back very minimal brain function.
@@FalonGrey in the games everything is a lot more contained while in the movies pretty much the whole world went to shit save for Umbrella hives and a few other small places.
A line that's continually overlooked when speaking about the varient zombies that we see in the final season of the walking dead was when Aaron, Jerry, Lydia, and Elijah find one. And Aaron says- "I've heard stories of walkers capable of these things, but I thought they were myths" (paraphrase) I believed this would have to be the writers acknowledging the walkers from season 1 (the rock zombie, Morgan's wife, and the one that jumped the fence when chasing Rick and Glenn) From my perspective, why we don't see them since season 1, there's two ways to look at it. Either for one, and most likely especially since it lines up with Aaron's story, it is that these types have been around all long and they actually have encountered them but the zombie wasn't able to showcase their "intelligence" because they slice and diced or shot them too quickly to be able to notice. But on the other hand, it may be due to in season 1 the zombies were fresher and so their recent memories were still sort of intact, and now they are in fact mutating and becoming more intelligent. Can't imagine anything I've said is anything new. I just haven't really seen Aaron's line really make any head lines.
My theory that kind of uses this idea, is area as well as time or whatever, typically we dont see too many big cities in TWD and when we do its just with the "normal" walker. However maybe in certain more crowded and populated cities, such as Atlanta where we saw those more intelligent zombies, are the ones that contain the smarter variants, or at least in the case of Morgans wife, it just has to do with area in general. I could be so wrong here but essentially my theory boils down to the area of where the zombies came from/ turned. This could explain why Aaron said that they are "only myths" because they have been isolated in certain areas and had only just started moving or migrating from where they originally turned
My most itching question about the walking dead's zombie virus is-- Do zombies genuinely remember themselves? Do they remember the past, or is it all just... Instinctive? Is memories and remembering activities the same?
I don't think so. Speech, memory and ideation come from the cerebral cortex and the forebrain. The CDC film indicated (as Jenner explained) that the brain "died", except for the hindbrain, the "lizard brain" so to speak and that area does NOT contain speech or memory. It is in charge of fight, flight, feeding, fear, freezing up, and fornication. The limbic system, the autonomic nervous system. One HUGE mistake the series makes is to have the severed heads of the decapitated walkers snarling and growling. Even if only the throat and oral structures exist, there is no way to pass air through then to make such a sound. They would be silent.
@@sylvisterling8782 I completely agree with you on the growling and snarling part, I've alwayd been confused as to why they did it like that. However, I think you're giving thr virue to much credit. There is completely a possibility that, in some cases, parts of the memory brain section survive for a breif time period after turning. Kinda like... The last spark of humanity
It always puzzled me how the zombies were able to hear and see things, when it was just their cortex that was restarted. Both the visual and auditory zones are far from the cortex so all the zombies should really be blind and deaf. But I guess the creators just weren't interested in scientific explanations but human to human interactions.
I guess they were just going for more of an animalistic rather than scientific approach. It wouldn't be so much fun if everything could be explained :smile:
It seems like they just wanted to pull out some sort of scientific explanation so that it didn’t seem like they were resurrected by magic but still given any more thought and the whole idea falls apart
I just want to know how a corpse can survive the elements for a decade. the people that died after the outbreak would have no embalming, and the ones that were dead before would have no organs and the muscles across the stomach would no longer be functional because they cut them to prevent people from sitting up in the casket. Yes, I'm real fun at parties too.
The Church zombies always interested me. I always saw it as those people still having some of their humanity left. The last thing they were probably thinking about was God since they were to either go to heaven or hell. That being said, they returned to the church as it was familiar to them. They sat in their seats like they were attending a church session and stayed there since it was all they knew. That made me look at them a lot differently, yeah they arent people, they are definitely dead. But when restarting the brain, they can't get rid of every bit of that person.
My guess was that they went to the church while still alive after the start of the apocalypse to pray for help, and had so much faith their god would save them, they stayed until they died either from hunger, dehydration, or a zombie bite.
@@QuantumSatori if that were the case, it would have been in a lot more dismay when they arrived. There's have been signs of a struggle from when the first person inside turned and attacked the others. But there's nothing, all the pews are still lined up, the cross is strait and the only real mess is just dirt build up from the passing of time. I understand your point of view, but looking at context clues it looks like they just wandered in after turning and decided to stay.
This is actually so exciting-- I was so confused as to why Daryl is going to France of all places (seems unnecessarily far away...), but if France is where everything started, then I can't wait to see where and how this will tie in with Daryl's storyline (if this is the case, which hopefully it is!)
In seasons after season 1, I assumed the walkers got slower because they were decaying and drying out to some degree, becoming mummified very slowly. A popular reason is given in real life why zombies would never be a problem is because the corpse would still be attacked by microbes and so on, so one would be able to wait out a zombie apocalypse pretty easily. In the Walking Dead, those other metabolic processes still seem to happen, but VERY slowly. Over the seasons, the walkers keep looking more and more decayed because time is still working against the walkers, just so slowly that it is hard to wait out their full decomposition. But anyway, it is very interesting to see Jenner talking about the French team here. In TWD, he specifically mentions the French team getting close to a cure before the team was overrun.
The show ruined the idea of walkers being just corpses which will just stop eventually. They had people who burned to the bones and still became walkers or something like that.
A true prequel series to the origin of the virus would've been great. A slow burn build up to the full on zombie apocalypses. Like who was funding it, where did it come from, and the unprepared nature of mankind ability to fight it. Perhaps there were warning signs that people and governments ignored. This would make for great television.
@@foolishgamer99 I tried getting into that show when it first started. But by the 2nd episode they were already in the apocalypses. I was hoping for a more science team focused shows on the investigation into the early zombie virus.
@@foolishgamer99 they pushed that to be the show that gave us answers and that never happened. just panned to a new family with a familiar face and all that jazz. disappointing tbh.
The smart Walkers in the first season could climb and use rocks to break windows. There was also that one Walker that walked into Dale's camper where Andrea was hiding. He started looking around and opening cabinets like he wanted to make himself a sandwich.
A big mistake is comparing the season 1 zombies to the current ones. NEVER do that as a way to form a theory. The writers confirmed that in season 1 they still weren't sure where the show will go and how it will end up, they didn't have a specific formula for how zombies will behave, therefore you have stuff like Morgan's wife messing with the door or the slightly faster walking/running zombies that chased Rick. They are the same zombies we see now, they were still figuring out how the zombies would work back then. It's pretty safe to say that the World Beyond fast zombie we saw is the only new type. Edit: For everyone who says "But the comics exist, how could they not know what zombies to use". The comics don't feature smart zombies who open doors or pick up teddy bears. Also making a show is very different and you have to improvise many scenes and change things up in order to sell it.
True they didnt know how the show would go but that doesn't necessarily mean they didn't find a way to incorporate that into the new episodes. By making different strands that affect them differently. I think he's onto something. We will just have to see.
What I've heard is that it wasn't that the writers didn't know where they wanted to go yet. It's that the lead writer wanted to go the route of a more "human" zombie with trace memories and things like that but was shut down. Then he was fired sometime around season 2.
Well that new type was mentioned by a guy who dies in season one. And I'd assume that video took place awhile before he died. So it's possible while he did not see these new types they were still around. Anyway him mentioning those other types shows they were around from the start.
And ironically that was the best season after all this country side borefest. Aggressive and smart zombie that remember part of their lives just make it more chilling since it make you feel that the person is still there somewhere, suffering instead of just being a walking meat target for the survivors.
That’s was the point of the show the zombies 🧟♂️ are what they are it’s the People that is the monster 👹 I’m a long time fan and I’m done ✅. Y’all believe 💩 is tasty 😋 👅 just because somebody said so or to go against the grain instead of using your brain 🧠 and go to what you have already seen. Season 1 is still important as season 11 and should be just as canon but build on that… Not go Marvel smh 🤦🏾♂️
I remember there being a joke in a movie when the military soldiers was told they had to fight zombies. The dialogue pretty much went like this. “Wait, hold up. Fast or Slow?” “Slow” “Oh thank god, we’re gonna be alright”
I think that the zombies early on are still capable of higher cognitive function but that ability degrades over time, which makes sense. Any recently turned zombies we see are either killed instantly or dismembered as a warning kinda thing so we can neither confirm nor deny the cognitive degeneration.
I actually really like the fact that the origin of the outbreak is never discussed. I think Kirkman intended for the apocalypse to a be a vehicle for exploring moral dilemmas and the interactions between people in the state of nature. The zombies are only the set dressing, or to drive the plot, plus they’re cool. I think delving into them more deeply dilutes the true meaning of the original story. However, it’s still really interesting to know the origins, and since this is basically separate from Kirkman’s original idea, I’d like to pretend it’s not exactly canonical to anything except the show. (Which I guess is true for most of the show).
That's why I would've loved to see a resolve to the zombie problem. Some ideas float around that children born by infected parents are immune or simply "Not infected" if the infection process was a one time event, meaning for one thing there's hope for a zombie free future, but mainly would also be a great way to explore, how the survivors deal with each other, in a post apocalyptic world, WITHOUT the zombie dangers. But at that point you wouldn't call the show "The Walking Dead" any longer, but would still be fun to explorer.
@@StevDoesBigJumps Kirkman unofficially stated an asteroid from space was what carried the virus to earth, it’s a nod to Romeros virus which was also from space. Although this was in an interview and I’m not caught up with the series so the new director mightve retroactively changed the origin of the virus in one of the shows I’m not sure
It makes sense that the French were/are involved heavily, if not the originators of the virus. Remember that it was the French who first found the origin of the HIV/AIDS virus. French scientists are among the best in the world when it comes to research.
Listen I am French we are good at certain things Germans Belgians etc... but we're stupid and have an excess in stupidity that it's most likely that we did
about ten years ago, I started realising my life is much better, and different...when superlatives are not involved in my day. no... "best, bigger, smarter, softer" and I realised life CAN be lived without putting one party down, while trying to say "something is good". We all can simply say.."something is good" without saying "John is better than Betty Mary is so great, unlike Paul who is an idiot" - etc maybe you can appreciate scientists, without having to bring down another teams' effort? Original-commentor and owner of channel sounds like learned people. Perhaps you both can also contribute to building a world that isnt constantly about stacking and checking who has bigger testicles? thumbed down for how original-comment contributed to negativity in this ALREADY terse..world.
I’ve always preferred slow zombies opposed to fast ones, cos it makes films based in cities seem much less believable and takes away from tension building
I always felt like the slow zombies were scary just because they feel… inevitable. Especially in big hordes. Like they’ll get you eventually.
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The running zombies from WWZ make me have nightmares on the spot while awake. It's terrifying because of how capable and unstopable they are. But slow zombies, you can just walk away from them. A zombie encounter is like "oh shit, zombies, lets not go there" instead of "SHIT, ZOMBIES, HOLY FUCK RUN"
@ exactly like if there is ever gonna be a zombie-apocalypse it better be the slow ones not that I’m gonna survive but you know even if there’s a 5% chance of me surviving the first 15 minutes without getting my face ripped off I would love to have a at least a chance of survival cause my astma could never outrun those zombies or I would just trip and get eaten because of my clumsiness 😂😂
@ Pretty much yeah. "oh nooooo super slow moving zombies that make a fuck ton of noise so we always know where they arrrreeee how will we ever escape themmmmmmm"
I always thought "space spores" was a very legitimate answer. The entire earth spinning on its axis while going through a huge cloud of dust that was introduced to every part of our atmosphere at once would be a great explanation of how the entire world's population became infected. It could also open up huge possibilities regarding mutations. If the dead can mutate why not the living? They are infected too. Imagine a TWD show that focuses on the living going through their own variations of the infection while alive and the possibilities that come with that.
I think the zombie virus was a failed experiment from the scientists who were investigating about how to get the most valued desire of the humandkind: the immortality
You guys understand that the comic writer and long time producer of the walking dead already said what the virus origin was right that it was a space spore that either fell into or was put into the atmosphere
I think the reason there’s such a drastic difference between zombies abilities from season 1 to now is because they’re decomposing. Their muscles and bones are decomposing. Their brains are rotting out. So they can no longer run or jump fences and other things they were able to physically accomplish before. They likely retained some memories in form of reflexes like “Morgan’s wife going to their home” but as their brain cells deteriorated over time, they lost all of that. They are now reactionary and act impulsively.
I also remember in season 1 when there was a walker that used a huge rock to try and smash the glass door where glenn, andrea, and others were stuck in
But this explanation actually debunks more than it explains. If the walkers are prone to degradation, as they logically should be in the environment, they would have completely decomposed months into the apocalypse. Remember, we are constantly rebuilding ourselves in order to live and not decompose. Even if they eat all the time, we dont ever see their condition improve. That suggests they dont regenerate. There is no way a zombie could survive past the first year and thats a generous estimate.
Kirkman may have never wanted an origin story for the virus or a cure, but we're apparently getting that and I couldn't be more excited about it. The truth is the Walking Dead at this point needs to reinvent itself. People are tired of the old survival storyline and I think it's time to change the game and explore a more sci-fi territory and perhaps AMC & Scott Gimple will give the Walking Dead a more satisfying ending than the one we got in the comics.
@@DashingDavid Me too. That ending was beyond bad. We know that one of the French science teams (Primrose) was in Ohio when it went global and i think it's possible that they are still alive and more importantly living inside the Commonwealth. They already hinted that the CRM & Commonwealth know each other and maybe had a working relationship for awhile. Pamela Milton knows the CRM are no longer gonna sustain them or help expand their community (as Jadis said, they can't afford to spend their resources on other communities anymore) So the next time they have a meeting with each other Pamela might reveal something that will change their minds; that she has the Primrose Team. It's my belief that CRM is aware of how important these people are and that they caused this. Primrose knows the biology of the virus but the CRM scientists don't and that's Pamela's hold over them. She'll give them at least one team member if they agree to the original terms of their deal. But Jadis doesn't deal (she'll pretend to but she'll take those scientists by force if she has to) So this could be what makes the war between CRM & the Commonwealth even bigger. They're literally fighting for the cure and the future of mankind. But if CRM gets the cure I don't think they'll just give it to everyone. I think they'll still crave power & control and only want their people to be cured of the virus but everyone else in the outside world will turn and die out. But if the Commonwealth get it, it will be more about helping everyone and bringing people together to rebuild the world. Also Primrose needs to meet Dr. Bennett for sure if they want to cure the virus and eradicate the dead at the same time. Just my opinion.
@@DashingDavid cool video. But some other fans noticed, that on the laptop, an folfer is named after Dr. Pil ? And Eugene is speaking of this doctor, as his boss, when we met him.
I always assumed there had to be two pathogens. The first is the one that reanimates a body, which everyone has. The second is whatever makes every zombie bite lethal. If everyone was a carrier of the latter, then either everyone would already be dead or bites wouldn't be a big deal (because if everyone's a carrier and every living carrier is clearly asymptomatic).
i wonder if there doesnt even need to be a specific second virus. bites can be fatal just by getting infected by some nasty rotting corpse germs in a wound
Bites can be lethal from sepsis. The bites are so full of bacteria that it gives you a blood born bacterial infection that spreads throughout the entire body quickly. The human mouth is very dirty compared to other animals on earth. The only animal that has a heavier bacterial load in their mouths is the Komodo Dragon.
@@russiannpcbot6408 Absolutely, but 100%? So lethal that everyone bitten who can't amputate shoots themselves in the head pre-emptively? I, for one, would wait to see if I naturally recover from mere sepsis. To be fair I think Morgan in the walking dead did recover. So maybe that's it, but if so, all those people who killed themselves or were pre-emptively executed for being merely bitten were just wrong.
Again, as I’ve already told others, these are not the same thing. In the 2ish years since Covid not EVERY SINGLE PERSON has had it. We’re talking about the entire planet being infected.
@@DashingDavid yeah not everyone has COVID but the thing moved really fast from country to country, if there was a zombie virus probably it would be more virulent and faster then COVID since the dead don't stay dead and asymptomatic ppl would move the thing around aswell, humanity was actually lucky COVID was as weak as ir was it could have gone aireborne ir worse
@@gusp1456 I think what was implyed is all the people who have been forced to get the human made covid vaccine while still not the entire population still far greater than people infected by covid. Which has had in comparison to other medicines in the world 0 human trials and everyone rushed out to infect themselves with it
The whole problem with this zombie universe is.. unlimited energy from nothing. zombies continue to be able to produce energy and movement from nothing.. Zombies that apparently have no way to eat anything, ramble on forever. , they don't even need a digestive system to survive.. which then makes it weird that they want to attack and bite people.
They have shown in the show and books remove the stomach and digestive track it no longer hungers. It attacks more for sport. Cut off the head the head just groans and rolls around no longer tries to attack.
There have been some episodes where they have shown a zombie that “starved” or like have up, so it was just sitting down and it had foliage grown over it. So I mean I think they eventually just sorta give up? But I’m not sure if that helps or not :,D
the other big problem with zombie universe is the neglect of animal wildlife. There are two possible scenarios involving animals. 1> They are immune to the virus. If they are immune, simply put the predator population would boon as the decomposing flesh of zombies would be a very attractive feast for any scavenger. (Dogs, wolves, bears coyotes, vultures etc etc etc) 2> They are vulnerable to the virus. if that's the case, the world just got a whole lot scarier with running rabid zombie wolves, bears etc etc
Really hope they keep the fast zombies in the show so the Walkers become more of a threat instead of just having slow easy to doge zombies since I'm kinda getting tired of just having 2 groups disagreeing with each other using guns to fight.
Finding out what happened in the beginning - where the virus comes from, how it was released across the whole planet - is what I personally want to know about the most.
I really thought the Zombies were going to be scarier. Especially after seeing Morgan's wife turn the doorknob. I thought the dead were a force to be reckoned with, but by season 3 and 4 they become less scary and more of a general inconvenience.
That was the season 1 director. They fired him after thay and got new directors and creators to do the following seasons. They should have kept the season 1 director. He portrayed the zombies and the atmosphere of the environment the best
The zombies of season one were surprisingly fast compared to later seasons. In the first season, they didn't run but they did almost jog. Each season after that they became progressively slower and dumber.
I read an article saying they did that for realistic purposes, as the walkers would continue to decompose and fall apart because they’re dead, so in like 20 years all walkers would pretty much decompose into the ground and there would be none left
As someone who isn’t necessarily into TWD itself but is a big fan of zombies, I think Kirkman not wanting an origin to be revealed is kind of lazy? (This is just my opinion of course.) There’s so many zombie shows, movies, games, and books that it’s gets pretty repetitive but the things that keep the zombie genre fresh are the new, different types of zombies, the different ways that the virus, disease, whatever came into the world, how it can/can’t be transmitted, and if there’s a cure. The mystery and sense of hope of the characters searching for the cdc in the first season was an AMAZING storyline. If you’re a zombie fan and you find yourself tired of hearing the same zombie story over and over, I urge you to watch Pontypool. No spoilers but the way the virus is transmitted and the solution they come to to cure it is hands down the most interesting and original thing I’ve seen in the genre.
imo i respectfully think you are wrong it allows the community to form their own theories and apply more online presence through conspiracies and tweets as well as a higher reputation and attention
Arguably, zombies are the least interesting and important part of any zombie movie/show. Often, they focus on the "humans are the real monsters" thing, where zombies are dangerous, sure, but are mostly there simply to explain why society has broken down, and provide an ever present, but mostly manageable threat. If you make a mistake, they might get you, but probably you'll die because of a human, directly or indirectly
tbh, the amount of pressure from the community is overwhelming, no story arc or explanation will ever be enough to satisfy the community, maybe 10% will be happy but the other 90% already had a theory in their heads that will always be better than the real thing. I rather have it be open ended then have some explanation that is stupid. Series like Nation Z explore the more "crazy" zombie types better, and it's a great show- but it doesnt have the same vibe as TWD, because it's so vague and the Z's are so basic and consistent.
Very little chance she was shot in the head. You can see a profile shot of the zombie as she moves to the door. She has no blood on her head until her head collides with her already bloodied hands on the door. Not a headshot, unless the VFX/effects team messed up.
Probably overthinking or a red herring - but speaking of variants: I strongly thought for years that Shane was almost becoming Walker-like before he actually died. His final hours (plus clever dropped hints in cinematography) had loads of foreshadowing, down to his mental unraveling and mannerisms. I had mostly thought it was just clever foreshadowing, but I had a strong inclination that the would die and reanimate before it actually happened (back when Season 2 was still first airing). Especially in his last episode. I couldn't shake the feeling, and even years later, I find it strange and eerie. I always wondered if it was just me, or if there was something to that.
Gotta say, I really started to get into World Beyond. I'm genuinely sad that we won't be getting more. The characters grew on me. At first, it felt like a Disney version of TWD, but they switched that up onme real quick.
@@hopper6094 i rly enjoyed world beyond. i think generally a younger audience enjoys it more since most of the main characters are teenagers and that is more appealing to actual teenagers and those around that age, but it is still a very good show even if you arent that interested in seeing a group of teenagers and two adults try to figure their shit out. the story is well-rounded and i enjoyed all the characters and getting to know them was a rly good time. keep in mind that season two is very different than season one, but they both serve a very important purpose to the story. it also, imo, was a huge part of the set-up for the rick movies bc of some stuff that takes place in the latter half of season two. it fills in some gaps abt the CRM too and just is a great story about some lovable characters
@@etatql so what is the CRM? I stopped watching after they beat Negan and I think they went to that place that all the train tracks led to and the people ended up locking them up in a car, last thing I saw I THINK was when they escaped from those people and I don’t remember seeing anything after that. If you could remind me what season that is I might try to get back into the show and try to catch up on what I’ve missed
@@blainejackson2857 The CRM is an advanced paramilitary organization more competent than any groups from the shows so far and were first teased when Rick 'sploded himself, a while after the Saviors. They are well-equipped, numerous, have a military, civilians, scientists, compounds scattered across who knows how far, etc. They were the central antagonist of World Beyond and have now made important appearances in all three shows so it appears the CRM are going to be a factor unifying the three shows. I suspect the first Rick movie is going to bring the shows together in a bigger way. Anyway, to the people asking (and you), I would suggest World Beyond. It may seem a little too young-adulty to be enjoyable at first, but it pays off IMO and is definitely going to be important for lore reasons going forward.
TS- 19 was Jenner's wife, It was her brain cells ( the only fresh sample he had) that were destroyed when he accidentally knocked over some acid in a small beaker which reacted with some material in came into contact with and set off the Bio breech alarm. when he rushed out of the room he forgot to over ride the computer activated emergency decontamination protocol, the only fresh sample left (TS-19) was destroyed in the ensuing decontamination protocol proceedure. it was after that that he transmitted the communication on the french scientists lap top and several weeks before Rick and Co. showed up at the CDC beating on the door.
they did use to run tho, remember s2? it was an inconsistensy that always bothered me a little, and I'm pretty sure it was not intentional back then but the speed of the walkers and other aspects of them and their behavior have been pretty inconsistent especially during the earlier seasons.
The real reason is the director Frank Darabont wanted them to move fast and have a semblance of humanity in them as he thought that was more interesting. Robert Kirkman was always against that and that never happened in the comics. Once Darabont was canned they went to how Kirkman wanted them to be. That's it. No more reasoning than that.
I think the real horror of the zombie apocalypse comes from the fact that you don't know how it started, and there's no way to stop it. A small trickle of unexpected and unknowable threat exponentially escalates to the extinction of the human race. No matter how coordinated and disciplined and determined the surviving humans become, the immortal hoard wins in the end. Fast zombies that rip people apart are fun for jump scares and gore porn, but not so scary. The slow shambling ever-growing hoard is more horrifying to think about.
@@DashingDavid kinda disagree, if u know how it started then it usually breaks the fantasy cuz if u put any logical thought into almost any zombie apocalypse it makes zero sense
Not really, in resident evil they give you the origin of the virus and fast zombies. Still one of the best zombie series out there (mainly the game series).
From my understanding the reason they got slower was to show the decay happening. Which is shown in each of the opening segments and walkers showing more bone and sagging skin. The fact she's more so fast is probably because she recently changed. However I think its worth pointing out that, often when people change right away. Its often shown as being in close with others. I.E. eaten by a zombies or like Rick and Shane or Andrea and whatever his name was. Where they are forced to kill them fast and they often lunge at people with is a fast moment. The odd time its from a distance but people tend to run away or avoid what maybe coming. The pattern of people being swarmed when bitten also cant be denied. With that being said the whole semi functional zombie like Morgans wife is something that falls into "oh shit we forgot we made that rule". I believe Morgan said that they retain memory for a little while so they hang around homes or something they know. But even as he's is saying that, it makes you wonder why his dead wife hasn't got to the next phase because he made it sound like it had been a while.
Where are all the insects on this show? This plaque would last all of a month before the insects would have eaten most all of them. They would not be able to sneak up on anyone or anything as the massive swarms of insects following them would be a huge giveaway. The smell would be noticeable for blocks also. Zombies are one of the silliest concepts out there.
ive been re-watching the main show recently and (having only seen online clips of this end credit scene) I think it may link all the way back to season 1 and the "smart walkers" Darabont put in the show. As some individual walkers were quite fast and some seemed to retain memories (e.g. Morgan's wife). And, since Dr Jenner hadn't left the CDC he wouldn't know of the variant making it to America at that point. hence why he would say he hadn't seen it yet. idk if it is for that but this "variant" could explain the smart walkers from the early seasons.
And /or a backstage story, that a writer, in the first season, who made zombies act, left the show... (true fact) And the other didn't but an I on that. They where more concentrated, that the zombies after 10 years look more rottet/dryed out.
@@littlescully3637 exactly can’t eat,breathe,reproduce . Can’t regrow limbs . People could believe zombies can evolve but they are human bodies 🧟 so 🤷🏾♂️ as a fan to know the world 🌎 is it’s no way zombies 🧟♀️ was the problem it’s people, that’s was the monsters of the show smh 🤦🏾♂️
Having not yet seen this new show but being familiar with storytelling the most likely explanation is that Jenner and the rest of the world were lead to believe that the zombie virus is natural while in fact it was created more or less on purpose, perhaps literally in an attempt to cure death itself. These faster and smarter zombies cerrainly point to the on purpose explanation at the very least
He knew about the walkers, not the running smart ones. And in the beginning, he was too occupied by finding a cure/vaccine (to slow the process or help your body completely fight the virus) and his dead wife to pay attention to walkers outside his door.
There was a zombie in fear the walking dead that was smart. In s3 there was an episode that started off with a man waking up and his wife in the kitchen moving pots and pans around, he called her name and she turned around but she was a walker.. also in s1 fear the walking dead trailer a zombie walked past a mum and a baby and went after someone else who was alone, i think she didn’t want to hurt the baby and may have still had somewhat control over who she killed
"also in s1 fear the walking dead trailer a zombie walked past a mum and a baby and went after someone else who was alone, i think she didn’t want to hurt the baby and may have still had somewhat control over who she killed" Morals in this world are fucked up, people who are alone really doesn't matter to anyone in this shitty society? And after that they'all been asking me why I hate Humanity, bunch of ignorants egoists.
I've always thought they should make a bunch of compost piles, and then use them in a way, either with little exploding balls, or dousing large groups with the compost which would coat them in beneficial bacteria and cause them to decompose even quicker.
They could also bomb the hordes Its not that hard to find a functioning jet or even propeller plane with bombing capability Theres a few in a lot of army bases, just gotta get access to a map
@@caralho5237 Well, obviously that should always be on the table. You need to know how to fly a jet or propeller plane beforehand, though. With this, everyone can help out if it works.
@@dougrattmann3554 you think it went somewhere? It literally ended with them just going on in the new world. The OP is exactly right. Kirkman did not care about the cause of the virus, the story was simply about humans surviving in a world that brought out the worst or best in them.
@@Steef_Lee exploring the origin isn't the only thing to make a story go somewhere. It's like the most cliche thing you can do in a zombie story, where would it even go? Space virus? Romero already did that. And being that the comics were inspired by Romero that's probably the origin anyway so there's no point in talking about it. The entire story was about creating a world where Carl could live in safety. That happened. The story went that direction. It very much did go somewhere, you just don't like that it didn't end with a cliche exploration of the virus.
@@dougrattmann3554 I liked it, I really liked. When did I say I didn’t like it? I just think it’s understandable that people think it didn’t go anywhere. It didn’t go anywhere because that’s not the kind of story he was telling. I absolutely agree with you, though, it’s just about perspective.
I am here for the SCIENCE! I was furious with Kirkman when he said he regretted the CDC episode and didn’t want anything like that. The human stories are great and all but don’t give me hundreds-thousands of hours of a zombie apocalypse with ZERO science! We want to know why they’re there and how they “work.” More of this please…
This "new zombie" or virus mutation is gonna be why getting rid of the zombies (fungi experiment) is more important than a cure if they ever think to introduce a prospect of it
My theory is that at first the virus was more 'potent', so the very first waves of infected were smarter both because their body was still fresh and also because the virus did not deteriorate the brain much. Then as the virus spread to more and more people it mutaded and lost its potency and the infected began to be more and more stupid.
The real reason is the director Frank Darabont wanted them to move fast and have a semblance of humanity in them as he thought that was more interesting. Robert Kirkman was always against that and that never happened in the comics. Once Darabont was canned they went to how Kirkman wanted them to be. That's it. No more reasoning than that.
@@stuv1996 I doubt there is a single soul on Earth that doesn't know that by now. That doesn't change the fact that there needs to be an in-universe reason, thus theories are born. Andrew Lincoln wanting out is why he was written off, but it wouldn't be a good idea for them to have Rick look at the camera and say "the actor playing me doesn't want to anymore, so this is my last episode" and then roll credits.
On the spreading point: in the game days gone the virus also starts in a lab, and it spreads when a lab tech goes to an international meeting of scientists, which had scientists attending from every country in the world. He spread it to them, and they took it to their home countries and continued to spread it. I think an idea like this is a good idea for how the Walker virus could’ve spread.
I've always wondered how the zombies can only die when you damage their brain but isn't the brain just mostly water? so howcome the brain of the zombies don't degrade along with the body and they still have to kill even an almost skeleton zombie through the head?
Because they haven't put that much thought into it. You see hundreds of people in this comment section saying " they move slower because of the advanced decay!" Without ever mentioning the fact that the brain should decay at a faster rate than most of the body to begin with and once it has the zombie should simply be unable to move even if other parts could still be classified as alive
It’s less about destroying the brain and more about severing the connection between brain and spinal cord. If that happens, the brain can’t control the body and they are effectively neutralised
@@zachary3367 Yeah, once you bring decay into it, you debunk the whole cocnept of the show because you cant wriggle out of the logical conclusion that the zombies would just decompose in a matter of months. All it would take to survive the apocalypse would be to get to a hidden place with tons of supplies and just wait.
Damaging the brain can result to stop body movements instantly. So if u thought about it this way they don't actually die they just stop working until they die
I'm of the opinion that The Last of Us zombies are probably the most consistent lore and science-wise, owed mostly to basing the infection off of a real life fungus that turns bugs essentially into zombies, slaves to the fungus's will, called Cordyceps, which iirc was canonically weaponized as a form of bioterrorism for the story. Basing the infection off a real life concept makes it more grounded in reality. They had a clear system of infection via direct contraction (virus spreads through bloodstream by bite, or other contact with infected body parts like zombie blood getting into an open wound) or even through the air by the inhaling fungal spores, they had a multistage life cycle that visibly showed stages of infection, and culminated in the bodies seeking out warm, dark and damp areas before collapsing into a fungus mush to reproduce the spores, exactly as a real fungus would. TWD has been overly inconsistent, and not just because of the first season that everyone points to. Even later seasons the writers make it clear that they don't really even have a consistent system for how exactly zombies HUNT, the literal primary source/drive of conflict with these things. "They hunt by smell so we'll cover ourselves in nasty guts to get through them undetected, no wait actually all you have to do is wear a human face leather mask and walk with a limp, they hunt by sound, except if you hide long enough they'll....get bored and wander off now? They hunt by sight except if you make a sound they can find you behind a wall." The first thing to go generally is the eyes, and since TWD makes it clear that they are in fact shambling corpses, rot and all, you should probably be able to stand in front of a group undetected as long as you don't make a sound, and that's not what gets shown. I gave up trying to figure it out a long time ago. The emphasis on human-zombie conflict has been so relatively low on the priority list the last several seasons I'm surprised they haven't moved towards "almost all the zombies on the planet are dead and now the conflict is everyone is fighting and trying to figure out how to rebuild society in the wake of a near extinction event" there could still be zombies, but more in the form of "someone really sick or old died, and is now a threat" and more interactions outside of settlements being with lone individuals or small groups of more recent dead (which you could then amp up the tragedy of these sightings for drama, being more recognizably human), rather than hoards of possibly decade-old zombies that should have fully rotted and crumbled to the ground within months at most.
You should read the book “The Girl with all the Gifts”. It goes with the same concept but expands on it. It’s also beautifully written. There is a prequel as well called “The Boy on the Bridge”. The movie was terrible and completely lost the core moral of the story. I wouldn’t bother with that.
Yeah, that couldn't happen with a show that would prematurely kill off characters for literally no reason just for shock value. Maybe in the 1st and 2nd season, but for me personally, I knew once they played loose and fast with what's basically your main antagonistic force, you're gonna lose the plot.
There is a podcast called “We’re Alive: Story of Survival” that I think you would find very interesting. It may not be as based on FULL science as the cordyceps spores are, but it is very clear about its direction, the intelligence of the creatures, different types, and even selective breeding and creation of new monsters. It’s not your typical “rising dead people” story, and the characters actively turn their opinions away from the term zombie. It goes into how the dead creatures still impact those around them after they’ve been taken out, too. Right now it has the original story, followed by two additional mini-series: Lockdown and Goldrush. A sequel series is coming out in April called “We’re Alive: Descendants.”
The TWD were just trying to tell a story, not everything has to be dissected and analyzed to death. I don't watch LOTR and wonder how Saruman has magic.
The only way I could think of that every person on the planet could be infected if it was man made would be if it somehow got into the water cycle. Obviously that doesn't explain the other variants. One thing that will always bother me about the show is that a good portion of the zombies would have started to break down too much to still be functional. Their brains would have decomposed after a certain length of time. Also, you see zombies fall from great distances, but get up like it wouldn't have destroyed their brains, but in other episodes they fall like 10 feet and die. Continuity errors bother me.
Predatory or Ambush zombies that stalk within large groups of zombies would absolutely be terrifying, IMagine seeing a group of "easily" avoidable zombies only to notice one is making constant eye contact and matching your movements.
I have always wondered where the virus originated from, but I also wonder why the virus doesn’t affect animals. The zombie’s clearly attack animals, but the animals don’t reanimate and resurrect like humans. You would think the virus would be able to infect and spread through any living organisms regardless of species. It seems to be only exclusively relevant to humans. Kind of a contradiction.
A virus has a host type of animal is uses as a way to replicate itself. Most of them stay with that type of creature (called a vector) unless they mutate to crossover to another type of creature. Avian flu, pig flu, covid...all managed to jump from one vector to another. This virus just hasn't done that......yet.
@@rhezaprathama9264 After becoming spooked by walkers in a field when Daryl tries to tie Buttons up to take back to Alexandria, Buttons takes off and is eventually discovered by Aaron and Daryl, but becomes swarmed by walkers and is mauled. After the walkers are all killed, Buttons is left mortally wounded and is heard moaning, barely clinging to life. Aaron shoots Buttons in the head to end his suffering.
When you had those whispering zombies in the TV show that seemed smarter I got soo excited for new variants of zombies and it turned out to just be some group dressing up which really disappointed me.
One of the reasons for the delay on the Rick Grimes film is because of Andrew Lincoln himself. One of the reasons he quit the show was because he was homesick. Andrew is from the UK and has wife and kids. His wife and kids decided to stay in the UK, whilst he went over to America to shoot The Walking Dead. Andrew might be reluctant to spend to long time away from his family again.
I remember my first San Diego Comic Con in 2012 I got a chance to ask Robert Kirkman this very question, how did the zombie apocalypse start. This was just after the first season and they weren't even in the main hall, hall H. He was in some side room that maybe held 100 people. Anyway he told me he wasn't interested in telling the origins on the zombie apocalypse, he was more interested in what happens after! Well I guess after 12 years we might actually find out.
Doc from season 1, told Rick "it was already in all of us". Which I didn't ca5ch the first time, and could mean, recent airborne pathogen. Zombies also seem to activate from sound, and fail to recognize by sent, which can also explain the "memory" concept. Romero had the idea that given time, the dead could possibly remember how to use tools, and had feelings. Shawn of the Dead, showed they could be taught/used like animals, showing a small level of intelect at least. I was waiting for the "survivors" to find a zombie controlled zone, in direct opposition of the living.
I don't mind getting a background for the infection. I feel it's kind of needed because, well, it's a big damn deal. What I DO mind is seeing things slip towards yet another generic "everyone looks for a cure while hyper-aggro zombies run at 60 MPH all over the place" thing. What, is Brad Pitt coming onto the show now or something? "BUT WHAT IF WE MADE THEM UNDEAD PUT BULLS," sure, why not bring in Milla Jovovich and some actual CGI pit bulls while you're at it I guess? Ratings are flagging, gotta do something to try to spice it up, right? The whole point of zombies is to present the inevitability of death, however long it takes. No matter what, the zombies will catch up to you. No matter what precautions you take, they're always there. They're inescapable, they can be delayed but never stopped, and they will always appear where they're not welcome. making them fast and hyper-aggressive just makes them less-interesting werewolves.
Well said. Kirkman did say that whole side of a zombie story was very boring to him as well. In the comics there is never any scientists or talk of a cure. Ever. You can read it for free online, I highly suggest it. I have a theory on the actual origins I'll post below. Only read if you want to know. Kirkman himself said that "the real reason behind the virus is really stupid and I'll never tell anyone because many would hate it." I personally think it's God or something that made the dead rise. It would explain why it doesn't make sense as far as science goes, it's not scientific at all. There's also a fuck ton of religious symbology/themes in the comics and show. He was also raised very religious and became atheist. He has also parodied religion with some of his previous work like Battle Pope. I think all signs point towards it being a supernatural/ heavenly origin for the virus and that's why he keeps it to himself.
The theory that the meth that Walter white created was jumpstarting the zombie virus is one of those theories that I really liked. It was confirmed that it's the same universe, so that could be fun for a TV only canon. The comic canon could keep on being different.
I personally fucking despise that theory, because I NEVER ever want to see tuco, or Jesse or waltuh or mike or any of that. No, there have been references, but no. Aaron Paul himself denies that theory, so I don’t believe it,.
The walkers were smart for being a corpse with no ability to think other than eating humans, I think this is because of the newly turned walker kind of phase since they are much more less intelligent later in the seasons but I’m glad we learn a little more since I think that’s something we were all wondering what happened and how it started
Man it's interesting to see Jenner again, he hasn't been shown since TWD season 1.🔥 The show's been going on for more than 10 years, time sure does fly. I still remember season 1 and season 2 premieres, and here we are now.🤣
Man I dont think you are right about the zombie variants. I do remember that in the beginning, it was hinted, that shortly after they return, they are very dangerius. Fast, somewhat clever and far stronger than living human. With time however, or while they die in some damaging way, they deteriorate over time. Like those old, seasoned, seriously rotten hordes vs. the freshly infected from first series.
There's people who we watch turn in newer seasons and they're still slow. The real reason is the director Frank Darabont wanted them to move fast and have a semblance of humanity in them as he thought that was more interesting. Robert Kirkman was always against that and that never happened in the comics. Once Darabont was canned they went to how Kirkman wanted them to be. That's it. No more reasoning than that.
I think this new walker type is a last ditch effort to breath something new into the show before it ends. It was a mistake. Either focus on the CRM, new walker threats,aggoes drama, nuclear fallout or the new settlement on Walking Dead(with the space suits). It's to scattered to be invested in all of that.
My theory is that the reason Walkers ran in the first season but not in the later ones despite people being freshly turned is because the virus perhaps evolved taking away the hosts ability to perform more human tasks🤷♂️
How it spread was answered by the CDC doctor in Season 1. (Though we didn't find out until later what he whispered to Rick.) Everyone is already infected. Here's my thought. The virus got out and was spread person to person like any other virus. But it doesn't have any negative effects until you're bitten or until you die. For a few weeks, the virus spreads rapidly throughout the population, but no one noticed anything until someone infected dies. At that point, you get the first walker and it bites someone. From there the "zombie" portion spreads rapidly with different epicenters worldwide.
Yup. It's like an ideal run in Plague, Inc., where you go undetected with as few symptoms as possible for as long as you can and then evolve utter lethality all of a sudden, too fast for anyone to fight it.
In the walking dead, the woman who went back to her own house does not make sense, because Morgan found that house. Rick confirmed that by saying he knew the people who used to live there. So that was a bust lol
Even though they say they regretted it, the CDC episode made sense as the "mega arc" and the show meandered about, it should have been a 10 season show where the origin and cure were revealed by the time Rick left the show and continued on via spin offs which could have explored "re-claiming" the tarrain from the zombies and issues with forging a new society but instead the show meandered aimlessly
@@loturzelrestaurant I mean God probably did do it. Kirkman himself said that "the real reason behind the virus is really stupid and I'll never tell anyone because many would hate it." I personally think it's God or something that made the dead rise. It would explain why it doesn't make sense as far as science goes, it's not scientific at all. There's also a fuck ton of religious symbology/themes in the comics and show. He was also raised very religious and hated it, and became atheist. Most of his work pretty heavily ties into religion, with Outcast being about demons and possession and Battle Pope being a parody. I think all signs point towards it being a supernatural/ heavenly origin for the virus as all of his work is about religion in some way. I am also atheist for the record, I'm not just shoving "muh GOD" into anything I can, all evidence just points to that.
@@stuv1996 That's very interesting. I think you and Loturzel are correct . The Bible has many verses referring to zombie-like activities. Here are a couple... Zechariah 14:12-13 "This is the plague with which the LORD will strike all the nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths. On that day people will be stricken by the LORD with great panic. They will seize each other by the hand and attack one another." Revelation 9:6 - "And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them." Jeremiah 19:9 - "And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend in the siege and straitness, wherewith their enemies, and they that seek their lives, shall straiten them." Psalm 27:2 When the wicked, even mine enemies and my foes, came upon me to eat up my flesh, they stumbled and fell.
I always figured zombies should be fast at first due to the body not having broken down yet, the muscle is still in good condition. Slowly as the body is damaged or decays they would slow down and become less intelligent as the body breaks down
I realize the series wasn’t meant to be ‘Dawn Of The Dead’ or any other show, but I miss how the walkers would sometimes run whenever they were in a large group (in the first episode, Morgan implied that they were more riled up the larger a group they were in).
Perhaps it changed because different people have been writing it and when it was written in the first season they didn’t already have that established and answered behind closed doors. They didn’t know where it’d be over 10 years later
Im excited for this to play out, but Kirkmans idea should of been respected.... it was much better knowing that everyone was infected with no answers, compared to the cliche "made by scientists" The latter made The Walking Dead unique, in an oversaturated world of zombie films and TV
Great video. Yeah I remember the zombies being faster in season 1, very interesting to see if there was actually a reason for it. I just thought they OP'd them the had to make them slower.
Fun fact: a certain Space Parasite Zombie species is (sudo) more realistic than any Virus zombie thing, The Flood are like a parasite that infect ants and travel to infect others, they spread via spore, and so on, all their features actually have a scientific explanation that’s even shown in their story’s, as well as having a well developed origin as opposed to most zombies which are “lab man want zombie persons.”
I didn't watch season two of the world beyond and now I'm kicking myself, I will definitely watch it. I'm amazed that no one caught the fact you said Jenner was close to T-19, T-19 was his wife.
The walkers was a little smarter in season 1. Morgans walker wife remembered what house they was staying in, she remembered how to ring doorbell, and she remembered how to turn door knob. The little kid rick walked into when he was looking for gas picked up her stuffed toy and was walking around holding it.
That was later retconned as they became typical walkers after
and in the episode they were trapped in atlanta and merle was stuck on the roof, the zombies were picking up rocks and banging it against the glass which broke the glass doors open
Because the first director was amazing.
I figure it's the zombie brain decaying
The longer they're dead the more their brains decay
My take: The walkers were faster in seasons one and two because of the "freshness" of their corpses. In later seasons the zombies slowed down (and were in poorer condition) due to cellular degradation and possible a lack of food as the population dwindled (or fortified themselves). We learn in World Beyond that the scientists are working on a way to quicken the degradation process to eventually shorten the "life" span of the walkers.
However, the newly revived zombie in the post credit scene of the last episode of World Beyond is clearly a new type of zombie. She revived much quicker than the old ones, she moved faster, she seemed more agile and coordinated and she went strait for the door (meaning she retains some sort of memory, probably due to them jumpstarting the circulatory system).
That theory might work if we didn’t see freshly turned walkers move slowly all throughout the series
Maybe new type like special infected
@@reyespena1013 Maybe the original virus mutated again..
@@lights_utopia1130 nice ...ha baki
You notice the “walking dead” text in the intro decays more and more each season
Guys don’t you get it? Eugene knows everything about the walkers and all he needs is to go to Washington! Somebody take him there!
He was apart of a human genome project
😐------🥲
I have PhDs in biochemistry as well as immunology and microbiology and I have completed by doctorate which makes me a doctor. Prior to the collapse I was part of a 10-person team at the Human Genome Project that weaponized diseases to fight weaponized diseases, pathogenic microorganisms with pathogenic microorganisms. Fire with Fire. Interdepartmental drinks were had, relationships made, information shared. I'm keenly aware of all the details behind fail-safe delivery systems to kill every living person on this planet. I believe with a little tweaking on the terminals in DC we can flip the script. Take out every last dead one of them. Fire with Fire.
@@blackrose8767 what samsung ahh emojis are these
How do we tell him? 😰
My thoughts: Rick is immune, the virus kept him alive after being in the hospital bed for 2 months. He somehow cheated the system by being in the coma, so the virus just kept him alive by thinking he was already turned? That’s how he survived. I tried to make that make sense, so I’m sorry if it didn’t.
My god I think you could be into something…
Shane even said he heard his heart stop which may not have been him lying it could’ve been him in mid turn process or hibernation
@@Commander_Thorn. there was a webisode kind of explaining how Rick survived. There was a doctor looking after all of the patients in the hospital so thats how rick survived. But the doctor died in the end.
One of the main parts of the twd story is Rick trying to find his family, as a completely normal guy. He isn’t a cure or immune, just someone trying to get his family. The Creators also stated that they don’t want to have a cure or start to the apocalypse to keep the story as horror instead of SciFi
No, I can see an eerie sense in that. Say, Rick couldn't be infected due to him not being conscious beginning at the start of the outbreak.
“Dr. Jenner might not be dead” .... willingly locked himself in a room and exploded the building with temperatures closely relative to that of the surface of the sun, I’m going to go out on a limb and say he ain’t walkin’ away from that
I mean he lied and said there was no way to open the doors anymore. He could have lied again there was a backdoor to leave as well.
Maybe.... he did walk away but dead. The Walking Dead, if you will.. haha
He’s just saying that we didn’t see him die. It’s plausible that he scampered off somewhere, saying that he wasn’t in a great mental state.
@@CosmicDarkLord
I don’t even think he wanted to get out though
Nah he’s alive just a lil more crispy now
The zombies that displayed some semblance of human behavior -- despite being dead -- were utterly terrifying because that limited human behavior made them less predictable + no more pain sensation. I loved the first season of TWD. Heck, I loved the first 3 seasons of it. But it got stagnant as the years continued to pass us by.
It really did. I stopped watching after season six. It was too much running away, fighting people, finding safe haven, safe haven compromised or destroyed, wash/rinse/repeat.
Yea, I've been over it for a very long time. SO still watches. I've stopped caring about any of them. Someone dies? Oh well.
Just think how stupid it sounds smart zombies 🧟♂️ How many characters we love kept zombie love one’s ☝🏾with them, hoping they change back. Feeding them reading to them Governor Daughter ect… all comes to the same conclusion, either be bitten by the love zombie or someone with brains 🧠 comes in and kill the zombies 🧟♂️ right in front of you🤬
I thought that too ..
I first thought that when Morgan was found.. how his wife was a Zombie.. but knew where her house was and tried to open the door.. I remember them panning into the zombies eyes.. hinting that there was a memory left perhaps.
@@02ujtb00626 Negan surviving the attack on the Sactuary because suddenly no one could aim THEN launching the three pronged counter attack on the rest of the groups after being totally surrounded and depleted was the final straw for me. Ridiculous, lazy writing. Really, the episode where Carol killed Lizzy was the last good episode.
The problem with the zombie apocalypse is that they don't drink. And regardless of a low metabolism. Standing in the elements would dry you out. And not to mention bugs love to eat dead flesh. And lay their eggs in it. So the zombies would basically be nothing but squirming piles of maggots by the end of the week.
In a drought, zombies would get all crispy, and crackling when they walked.
Yeah thats why a zombie apocalypse never made sense to me be the end of the first year all the original zombies would be dead and the survivors can just start rebuilding not worrying about zombies anymore
Yes, they would decompose fast. Rain, frost, heat, drought, pretty much any condition we can imagine erodes the body. The reason why we live so long is that we constantly rebuild ourselves. They dont. There is nothing in the series that suggests that the zombies even have _any_ metabolism. We dont see them regenerating by eating people.
Yeah, as far as I can tell they don't. My impression is it's a disease that transforms the brain and spine into something else. And that something else kind of treats the rest of the body like a meat puppet.
@@christopheranderson2769 I guess thats as good an explanation as you can give because if you go deeper than that, it just wont make any sense no matter how you look at it. There are simply too many inconsistencies.
I always thought that there was a secret twist as to why we follow Rick. I think that him waking up in the hospital was actually him "turning" but as the only successful person to come back from being dead.
It’s a cool theory but I feel like there should be more of a reason on how he came back if he was dead
@@SkatingPizza plot armor
@@borekkymal7025 I explained plot armour to my kids. now when we are watching a movie and there's a scary part they lean over and say "hey, does have plot armour?" heh yes dear, Aladdin has plot armour, the movie is named after him
@@SkatingPizza easy, sombody used the antidote on him and either died by zombie or just left knowing It now worked.
Rick true fear was the people turning him into a test lab subject once they find out his blood/dna is key to curing everybody
I really wish that the zombies getting less smart was due to them just decaying, but unfortunately it was just the director changing. It would have been interesting to see different variants of zombies who were infected at different times, like faster zombies than other who are running and are a little smarter like opening door knobs and picking up rocks or climbing like the zombies from the mall episode
That’s why I stop watching the show. It just got boring and lame
It would be interesting, but it wouldn't be The Walking Dead! The slow moving corpses is an integral part of TWD and especially the story of the main show.
Sounds like you need to watch Z Nation
I actually liked that in Romero’s universe, zombies got smarter as their bodies physically degraded. Though arguably they weren’t ‘getting smarter’ so much as applying knowledge that they’d ‘re-learned’ since death had essentially ‘reprogrammed’ and wiped their brains before they revived . . .
if you want to watch something that does that watch Z nation by far my FAVORITE zombie show
I always chalked the zombies becoming less threatening up to them rotting. Running and climbing would become exceedingly more difficult the more your body decays. It would make sense they stop running at some point to avoid literally falling apart.
Also, while I do not mind not getting all the answers in a movie, I think that in a long series such as TWD I am kind of owed some answers after watching ten seasons. :P
Agreed...I'm all for a slow burn and a good tease...but...enough's a enough...gotta get to the good stuff eventually !!!
@Zanimations i stop watching when they fucked up the asian dude.... what episode and season that was? I have no idea
Kirkman's reasoning as to describe it as "boring" is just his way of making sure he can keep milking the show. I don't think he gets paid much (I feel like AMC takes 90% of the cut) and he is probably on some kind of contract or something which is why he keeps defending AMC and he is currently in court with AMC defending against Darabont.
Also Kirkman's writing is ummm.... well you know.
@Zanimations I pushed through until Rick left the show just because I enjoyed most of the cast. First couple seasons were best. My 3yo daughter is weird and loved watching with me lol
@Zanimations my oldest daughter is pretty strange. My 1yo daughter is easily scared but my 3yo is a creepy critter. Not scared of anything. She knows it's all pretend. She always wants to watch all horror shows with me. My little gothic creepy barbie girl I guess. 😆
I'll admit, I haven't watched Walking Dead since S6, but I always found it intriguing that everyone was infected. The fact that the whole population and even unborn children are infected was a plot that was always interesting, but not investigated enough.
we still don't know about unborn children/ or children born post-outbreak , as there's no such death shown yet
@@podlodialgilap3490 probably just stillborns
@@podlodialgilap3490 was that how they were in the comics? Where are you getting that from
@@podlodialgilap3490 yeah but it’s airborne so even if they are born they will still become infected
Yea same here I stopped watching it once they killed off Karl
My personal theory since the beginning of the series is that they retain some things that are routine for them in their personal life (taking the bus, going to church, going home). The reason why we dont see many examples of this much later in the series is due to the affect of the virus on their brains slowing them down and completely taking their humanity, leaving an empty husk who's only goal is to eat the living (kind of like the virals from dying light, who can run and climb things and can even speak in certain situations only shortly after they've turned. Survivors who we've seen turn don't present these side-effects as they're constantly on the move, leaving no time for a routine to be engraved into their brain which they can act on after the fact. Things like taking the bus, remembering your address, running, etc. are all things that one would routinely do for years on end and are something they're basically meant to do, so after they turn, their brains only instinct is to do what they've been doing for ages. When a survivor out in an unfamiliar location turns, they'll just stand around until provoked as they don't recognize their surroundings, whereas those who turned in the beginning of the apocalypse kept parts of their routine as they turned in their homes, workplaces, etc., places they've probably been to hundreds of times. Just my little theory!
Yup. In Negans group one walker placed on fence kept kneeling as they do for him!! I just caught that rewatching them again!
That's actually a pretty smart take
One thing that has always bothered me is how they are functional after so long of constant rot. I remember in s2 or s3, Rick mentioned that the winter slowed them down, but if their brain froze, it would basically turn to mush when thawed.
I mean this doesn't fix the issue but I don't think he was implying that their brains froze, I think they were just referencing how lower body temperatures mean less internal energy. Which doesn't really make sense for walking corpses but whatevs
That is the big fail of the zombie genre and the reason I find them boring: Cellular decay would render ANY zombie unable to function or even move after less than 2 weeks except under very specific conditions. Even under those conditions they would only gain a week at best.
The "zombie" would have to be almost fully alive with a working respiratory and digestive system of some kind in order to actually get the materials and nutrients to keep functioning. That is what the early Resident Evil games actually did right by the virus causing cellular mutation in nature instead of just bringing them back to life. The later games just went absolutely bonkers though
@@noremac7216 oh in reguards to the brain freezing, that was me saying that it does. I understand what Rick said to mean either they couldn't move much cause of the body freezing, or that the weather slowed them down. But freezing the brain is like trying to freeze a head of lettuce. Had such a high water content that when the ice crystals puncture the cell walls, there's no structure to support it, so it turns to mush
@@deadheart1579 It always bothered me too, but i still love the genre.
In the real world, the zombies would last a couple of months at most. The reason they last so long in the show is simply that otherwise there would be no show past season 1 or 2.
I always wondered why we havent seen mass deaths of zombies now that we are going on 10 yrs into the apocalypse. Their bodies should have deteriorated. At some point there should be less zombies not more.
IRL the walkers should be unable to move in about a week from decomposition
@@RAINSMAN79 nature also turn these things into skeleton within a year.
Yeah you’re body can only last a month if you starve yourself to death plus you only have 4 days supposedly before you die of dehydration 🤷🏻♂️. Ironically the dead undead would be dieing.
It makes sense if a zombie survives off of flesh, but how does a zombie drink water?
Seriously without sufficient water in only a few days zombies wouldn’t even be able to move
Some examples of fast moving zombies.S01E01 when Rick is on horseback in Atlanta and the helicopter passes overhead, the dead move fast. Certainly more fast than a walk. S02E01, when Sophia is running from the two zombies chasing her and Rick follows (also running), both zombies are moving fast, certainly more than a walk and enough to keep up with Sophia. S02E02 when Shane and Otis are running from the zombies while getting medical supplies for Carl, the zombies are literally running after them. A final observation: within the first two minutes of S01E01, the little dead girl pick up and carries her teddy-bear. Is that not some sort of memory?
They were only fast in those few scenes. Otherwise they moved how you'd expect a zombie to move. Notice how in those scenes that they ran nobody really commented on the fact they could run; they kind of accepted it like "yeah I guess that's what it is". It's called plot convenience: the plot will bend the rules of the universe in a few scenes for dramatic tension and what not and nobody should really question it.
Also in the first season Rick runs into a store and the dead pick up rocks and start smashing the windows
@@heyitsmetrevor9352 I remember that and I was like WTF
@@heyitsmetrevor9352 also ruclips.net/video/reb9NOV29Ho/видео.html also one of them using a doorknob
When showrunners changed, the rules of walker abilities changed with it.
The Walking Dead is a great example of throwing shit on the “idea wall” and seeing what sticks
I remember when the Whispers first made their appearance I was scared shitless. Before we knew they were actually people, it terrified me to think the Zombies were talking, working together, and using weapons. The amount of relieve I felt when it was revealed they were human was just insane
I never really thought about he people who didn't know about the whisperers from the comics before the show. I would have been terrified too and totally let down to find out they were just people in skin masks lol idk why I always assumed everyone who watched it knew about the whisperers
@Arthur Morgan With the exception of the dialog on feeling the pain of being dead, smart zombies *always* come off as goofy. Not even Romero made that work very well, and he's the one who popularized zombie apocalypses.
The intimidation factor completely goes away the moment a zombie says "brains." At that point its just a joke.
The whisperers being introduced was definitely one of the best things in the show, if you read the comics then you would’ve been extremely excited because of how amazing the arc was in there
@@bullymaguire7554 many years ago, I used to creep up to my friend’s bedroom window in the college dorms and rasp, “Brains!” When she jumped out of her skin, it was indeed funny every time.
They fucked up and didn't explore a plot that would have been way more interesting.
I think her reanimating and going after the dude is leading towards the zombies eventually becoming aware enough to be more tactful and manipulative, would lead to a lot of very interesting scenes.
I still like my theory that the virus was not developed as a weapon but as part of a life extension project. However, the virus mutated (as they do) and became the zombie virus which only brought back very minimal brain function.
You got it man! A noble deed turned into a life long nightmare
Resident evil movies did that
@@unslaadkrosis9435 Funny enough the Resident Evil movies are a timeline where things went much much worse than the original timeline (games).
@@victuz How so?
@@FalonGrey in the games everything is a lot more contained while in the movies pretty much the whole world went to shit save for Umbrella hives and a few other small places.
A line that's continually overlooked when speaking about the varient zombies that we see in the final season of the walking dead was when Aaron, Jerry, Lydia, and Elijah find one. And Aaron says- "I've heard stories of walkers capable of these things, but I thought they were myths" (paraphrase)
I believed this would have to be the writers acknowledging the walkers from season 1 (the rock zombie, Morgan's wife, and the one that jumped the fence when chasing Rick and Glenn)
From my perspective, why we don't see them since season 1, there's two ways to look at it.
Either for one, and most likely especially since it lines up with Aaron's story, it is that these types have been around all long and they actually have encountered them but the zombie wasn't able to showcase their "intelligence" because they slice and diced or shot them too quickly to be able to notice.
But on the other hand, it may be due to in season 1 the zombies were fresher and so their recent memories were still sort of intact, and now they are in fact mutating and becoming more intelligent.
Can't imagine anything I've said is anything new. I just haven't really seen Aaron's line really make any head lines.
My theory that kind of uses this idea, is area as well as time or whatever, typically we dont see too many big cities in TWD and when we do its just with the "normal" walker. However maybe in certain more crowded and populated cities, such as Atlanta where we saw those more intelligent zombies, are the ones that contain the smarter variants, or at least in the case of Morgans wife, it just has to do with area in general. I could be so wrong here but essentially my theory boils down to the area of where the zombies came from/ turned. This could explain why Aaron said that they are "only myths" because they have been isolated in certain areas and had only just started moving or migrating from where they originally turned
My most itching question about the walking dead's zombie virus is--
Do zombies genuinely remember themselves? Do they remember the past, or is it all just... Instinctive? Is memories and remembering activities the same?
I don't think so. Speech, memory and ideation come from the cerebral cortex and the forebrain. The CDC film indicated (as Jenner explained) that the brain "died", except for the hindbrain, the "lizard brain" so to speak and that area does NOT contain speech or memory. It is in charge of fight, flight, feeding, fear, freezing up, and fornication. The limbic system, the autonomic nervous system.
One HUGE mistake the series makes is to have the severed heads of the decapitated walkers snarling and growling. Even if only the throat and oral structures exist, there is no way to pass air through then to make such a sound. They would be silent.
@@sylvisterling8782 I completely agree with you on the growling and snarling part, I've alwayd been confused as to why they did it like that.
However, I think you're giving thr virue to much credit. There is completely a possibility that, in some cases, parts of the memory brain section survive for a breif time period after turning. Kinda like... The last spark of humanity
Purple shirt zombie confirmed variant
@@sylvisterling8782 I legitimately never thought of that and now I’ll never be able to not think about it. Thank you
nah remember the guy at woodberry did the experiment with the old fella that died. they don’t remember anything
It always puzzled me how the zombies were able to hear and see things, when it was just their cortex that was restarted. Both the visual and auditory zones are far from the cortex so all the zombies should really be blind and deaf. But I guess the creators just weren't interested in scientific explanations but human to human interactions.
I guess they were just going for more of an animalistic rather than scientific approach. It wouldn't be so much fun if everything could be explained :smile:
It seems like they just wanted to pull out some sort of scientific explanation so that it didn’t seem like they were resurrected by magic but still given any more thought and the whole idea falls apart
I just want to know how a corpse can survive the elements for a decade. the people that died after the outbreak would have no embalming, and the ones that were dead before would have no organs and the muscles across the stomach would no longer be functional because they cut them to prevent people from sitting up in the casket.
Yes, I'm real fun at parties too.
@@DarrenWaters75 if the virus is airborne, then buried dead will remain dead
@ OP: Just the cortex was restarted.... And then the scientist put a bullet in her brain. Given time, more parts could be activated
The Church zombies always interested me. I always saw it as those people still having some of their humanity left. The last thing they were probably thinking about was God since they were to either go to heaven or hell. That being said, they returned to the church as it was familiar to them. They sat in their seats like they were attending a church session and stayed there since it was all they knew. That made me look at them a lot differently, yeah they arent people, they are definitely dead. But when restarting the brain, they can't get rid of every bit of that person.
Makes you wonder how "alive" they really were in life.
My guess was that they went to the church while still alive after the start of the apocalypse to pray for help, and had so much faith their god would save them, they stayed until they died either from hunger, dehydration, or a zombie bite.
This is a really good thing to note, how interesting
@@QuantumSatori if that were the case, it would have been in a lot more dismay when they arrived. There's have been signs of a struggle from when the first person inside turned and attacked the others. But there's nothing, all the pews are still lined up, the cross is strait and the only real mess is just dirt build up from the passing of time. I understand your point of view, but looking at context clues it looks like they just wandered in after turning and decided to stay.
Which church zombies?
This is actually so exciting-- I was so confused as to why Daryl is going to France of all places (seems unnecessarily far away...), but if France is where everything started, then I can't wait to see where and how this will tie in with Daryl's storyline (if this is the case, which hopefully it is!)
In seasons after season 1, I assumed the walkers got slower because they were decaying and drying out to some degree, becoming mummified very slowly. A popular reason is given in real life why zombies would never be a problem is because the corpse would still be attacked by microbes and so on, so one would be able to wait out a zombie apocalypse pretty easily. In the Walking Dead, those other metabolic processes still seem to happen, but VERY slowly. Over the seasons, the walkers keep looking more and more decayed because time is still working against the walkers, just so slowly that it is hard to wait out their full decomposition. But anyway, it is very interesting to see Jenner talking about the French team here. In TWD, he specifically mentions the French team getting close to a cure before the team was overrun.
idk if it would be easy to wait it out food wise but if you got that covered yeah you'd be good
The show ruined the idea of walkers being just corpses which will just stop eventually. They had people who burned to the bones and still became walkers or something like that.
@@Interceptor_of_Minds It is said the virus takes over the brain, no brain, no muscles, no movement.
In terms of the show it's easy enough to plot armor the virus and say it attacks other microbes via the creation process if it's lab created
God when Morgan's wife tried to open the front door in the first season filled me with so much dread.
A true prequel series to the origin of the virus would've been great. A slow burn build up to the full on zombie apocalypses. Like who was funding it, where did it come from, and the unprepared nature of mankind ability to fight it. Perhaps there were warning signs that people and governments ignored. This would make for great television.
Try out Fear The Walking Dead. Thank me later.
@@foolishgamer99 I tried getting into that show when it first started. But by the 2nd episode they were already in the apocalypses. I was hoping for a more science team focused shows on the investigation into the early zombie virus.
@@apotheases dang, the search continues
@@foolishgamer99 they pushed that to be the show that gave us answers and that never happened. just panned to a new family with a familiar face and all that jazz. disappointing tbh.
@@foolishgamer99 that show is garbage. It is NOT a slow burn build up to the zombie apocalypse...it went full zombie apocalypse within 4 episodes.
The smart Walkers in the first season could climb and use rocks to break windows. There was also that one Walker that walked into Dale's camper where Andrea was hiding. He started looking around and opening cabinets like he wanted to make himself a sandwich.
A big mistake is comparing the season 1 zombies to the current ones. NEVER do that as a way to form a theory. The writers confirmed that in season 1 they still weren't sure where the show will go and how it will end up, they didn't have a specific formula for how zombies will behave, therefore you have stuff like Morgan's wife messing with the door or the slightly faster walking/running zombies that chased Rick. They are the same zombies we see now, they were still figuring out how the zombies would work back then. It's pretty safe to say that the World Beyond fast zombie we saw is the only new type.
Edit: For everyone who says "But the comics exist, how could they not know what zombies to use". The comics don't feature smart zombies who open doors or pick up teddy bears. Also making a show is very different and you have to improvise many scenes and change things up in order to sell it.
True they didnt know how the show would go but that doesn't necessarily mean they didn't find a way to incorporate that into the new episodes. By making different strands that affect them differently. I think he's onto something. We will just have to see.
Wasn't the comic already ahead. I ge they didn't have redo scene or scene, but they had a road map
What I've heard is that it wasn't that the writers didn't know where they wanted to go yet. It's that the lead writer wanted to go the route of a more "human" zombie with trace memories and things like that but was shut down. Then he was fired sometime around season 2.
Well that new type was mentioned by a guy who dies in season one. And I'd assume that video took place awhile before he died. So it's possible while he did not see these new types they were still around. Anyway him mentioning those other types shows they were around from the start.
And ironically that was the best season after all this country side borefest. Aggressive and smart zombie that remember part of their lives just make it more chilling since it make you feel that the person is still there somewhere, suffering instead of just being a walking meat target for the survivors.
Finally....let the show be mostly about zombies and not about people vs people.
That’s was the point of the show the zombies 🧟♂️ are what they are it’s the People that is the monster 👹 I’m a long time fan and I’m done ✅. Y’all believe 💩 is tasty 😋 👅 just because somebody said so or to go against the grain instead of using your brain 🧠 and go to what you have already seen. Season 1 is still important as season 11 and should be just as canon but build on that… Not go Marvel smh 🤦🏾♂️
Yes, sick of the friggin drama and boring episodes. Some zombie mutations would be cool like in Left 4 Dead game.
@@cfh4201969 No one would survive against Left 4 Dead zombies.
Ummmmm..... are you new to zombie movies?
I think it makes sense for people vs people the collapse of society is a scary thing
I remember there being a joke in a movie when the military soldiers was told they had to fight zombies. The dialogue pretty much went like this.
“Wait, hold up. Fast or Slow?”
“Slow”
“Oh thank god, we’re gonna be alright”
Little Monsters was a good movie.
Sounds about right XD
I think that the zombies early on are still capable of higher cognitive function but that ability degrades over time, which makes sense. Any recently turned zombies we see are either killed instantly or dismembered as a warning kinda thing so we can neither confirm nor deny the cognitive degeneration.
I actually really like the fact that the origin of the outbreak is never discussed. I think Kirkman intended for the apocalypse to a be a vehicle for exploring moral dilemmas and the interactions between people in the state of nature. The zombies are only the set dressing, or to drive the plot, plus they’re cool. I think delving into them more deeply dilutes the true meaning of the original story.
However, it’s still really interesting to know the origins, and since this is basically separate from Kirkman’s original idea, I’d like to pretend it’s not exactly canonical to anything except the show. (Which I guess is true for most of the show).
Zombies in OG zombie movies were literally corpses reanimated through spontaneous magic.
@@StevDoesBigJumps asteroid actually
@@TheAwesomedude399 huh?
That's why I would've loved to see a resolve to the zombie problem. Some ideas float around that children born by infected parents are immune or simply "Not infected" if the infection process was a one time event, meaning for one thing there's hope for a zombie free future, but mainly would also be a great way to explore, how the survivors deal with each other, in a post apocalyptic world, WITHOUT the zombie dangers. But at that point you wouldn't call the show "The Walking Dead" any longer, but would still be fun to explorer.
@@StevDoesBigJumps Kirkman unofficially stated an asteroid from space was what carried the virus to earth, it’s a nod to Romeros virus which was also from space. Although this was in an interview and I’m not caught up with the series so the new director mightve retroactively changed the origin of the virus in one of the shows I’m not sure
It makes sense that the French were/are involved heavily, if not the originators of the virus. Remember that it was the French who first found the origin of the HIV/AIDS virus. French scientists are among the best in the world when it comes to research.
Listen I am French we are good at certain things Germans Belgians etc... but we're stupid and have an excess in stupidity that it's most likely that we did
Germans and English have the best research when it comes to biology
@@TomGodson95 absolutely
They are also the best to surrender and retreat. Catch my drift?
about ten years ago, I started realising my life is much better, and different...when superlatives are not involved in my day.
no... "best, bigger, smarter, softer"
and I realised life CAN be lived without putting one party down, while trying to say "something is good".
We all can simply say.."something is good" without saying
"John is better than Betty
Mary is so great, unlike Paul who is an idiot" - etc
maybe you can appreciate scientists, without having to bring down another teams' effort?
Original-commentor and owner of channel sounds like learned people. Perhaps you both can also contribute to building a world that isnt constantly about stacking and checking who has bigger testicles?
thumbed down for how original-comment contributed to negativity in this ALREADY terse..world.
I’ve always preferred slow zombies opposed to fast ones, cos it makes films based in cities seem much less believable and takes away from tension building
I always felt like the slow zombies were scary just because they feel… inevitable. Especially in big hordes. Like they’ll get you eventually.
The running zombies from WWZ make me have nightmares on the spot while awake. It's terrifying because of how capable and unstopable they are. But slow zombies, you can just walk away from them. A zombie encounter is like "oh shit, zombies, lets not go there" instead of "SHIT, ZOMBIES, HOLY FUCK RUN"
Just watch Black Summer
@ exactly like if there is ever gonna be a zombie-apocalypse it better be the slow ones not that I’m gonna survive but you know even if there’s a 5% chance of me surviving the first 15 minutes without getting my face ripped off I would love to have a at least a chance of survival cause my astma could never outrun those zombies or I would just trip and get eaten because of my clumsiness 😂😂
@ Pretty much yeah. "oh nooooo super slow moving zombies that make a fuck ton of noise so we always know where they arrrreeee how will we ever escape themmmmmmm"
I always thought "space spores" was a very legitimate answer. The entire earth spinning on its axis while going through a huge cloud of dust that was introduced to every part of our atmosphere at once would be a great explanation of how the entire world's population became infected. It could also open up huge possibilities regarding mutations. If the dead can mutate why not the living? They are infected too. Imagine a TWD show that focuses on the living going through their own variations of the infection while alive and the possibilities that come with that.
I think the zombie virus was a failed experiment from the scientists who were investigating about how to get the most valued desire of the humandkind: the immortality
Very interesting theory.
You mean like Gain of function research?
@@apriljohnson7447 probably more like crisper and gene therapy
You guys understand that the comic writer and long time producer of the walking dead already said what the virus origin was right that it was a space spore that either fell into or was put into the atmosphere
@@diviliant1877 it was obviously a joke
I think the reason there’s such a drastic difference between zombies abilities from season 1 to now is because they’re decomposing. Their muscles and bones are decomposing. Their brains are rotting out. So they can no longer run or jump fences and other things they were able to physically accomplish before. They likely retained some memories in form of reflexes like “Morgan’s wife going to their home” but as their brain cells deteriorated over time, they lost all of that. They are now reactionary and act impulsively.
What about those that die later?? They are fresh lol
@@azoniarnl3362 good point.
I also remember in season 1 when there was a walker that used a huge rock to try and smash the glass door where glenn, andrea, and others were stuck in
That doesnt work, people that freshly turn in all later seasons are slow too
But this explanation actually debunks more than it explains. If the walkers are prone to degradation, as they logically should be in the environment, they would have completely decomposed months into the apocalypse. Remember, we are constantly rebuilding ourselves in order to live and not decompose. Even if they eat all the time, we dont ever see their condition improve. That suggests they dont regenerate. There is no way a zombie could survive past the first year and thats a generous estimate.
Kirkman may have never wanted an origin story for the virus or a cure, but we're apparently getting that and I couldn't be more excited about it. The truth is the Walking Dead at this point needs to reinvent itself. People are tired of the old survival storyline and I think it's time to change the game and explore a more sci-fi territory and perhaps AMC & Scott Gimple will give the Walking Dead a more satisfying ending than the one we got in the comics.
Yeah I gotta agree. The series definitely needs something new. And I Was not a fan of the ending of the comics and what he did with Rick.
@@DashingDavid Me too. That ending was beyond bad. We know that one of the French science teams (Primrose) was in Ohio when it went global and i think it's possible that they are still alive and more importantly living inside the Commonwealth. They already hinted that the CRM & Commonwealth know each other and maybe had a working relationship for awhile. Pamela Milton knows the CRM are no longer gonna sustain them or help expand their community (as Jadis said, they can't afford to spend their resources on other communities anymore) So the next time they have a meeting with each other Pamela might reveal something that will change their minds; that she has the Primrose Team. It's my belief that CRM is aware of how important these people are and that they caused this. Primrose knows the biology of the virus but the CRM scientists don't and that's Pamela's hold over them. She'll give them at least one team member if they agree to the original terms of their deal. But Jadis doesn't deal (she'll pretend to but she'll take those scientists by force if she has to) So this could be what makes the war between CRM & the Commonwealth even bigger. They're literally fighting for the cure and the future of mankind. But if CRM gets the cure I don't think they'll just give it to everyone. I think they'll still crave power & control and only want their people to be cured of the virus but everyone else in the outside world will turn and die out. But if the Commonwealth get it, it will be more about helping everyone and bringing people together to rebuild the world. Also Primrose needs to meet Dr. Bennett for sure if they want to cure the virus and eradicate the dead at the same time. Just my opinion.
100%
I liked the comic ending. I mean I don't like where the commonwealth arc went because it pretty much just ended but the old man Carl ending I loved.
@@DashingDavid cool video.
But some other fans noticed, that on the laptop, an folfer is named after Dr. Pil ?
And Eugene is speaking of this doctor, as his boss, when we met him.
I always assumed there had to be two pathogens. The first is the one that reanimates a body, which everyone has. The second is whatever makes every zombie bite lethal. If everyone was a carrier of the latter, then either everyone would already be dead or bites wouldn't be a big deal (because if everyone's a carrier and every living carrier is clearly asymptomatic).
Okay Mr.biology 👌 that makes total sense
That makes some sense tbh
i wonder if there doesnt even need to be a specific second virus. bites can be fatal just by getting infected by some nasty rotting corpse germs in a wound
Bites can be lethal from sepsis. The bites are so full of bacteria that it gives you a blood born bacterial infection that spreads throughout the entire body quickly. The human mouth is very dirty compared to other animals on earth. The only animal that has a heavier bacterial load in their mouths is the Komodo Dragon.
@@russiannpcbot6408 Absolutely, but 100%? So lethal that everyone bitten who can't amputate shoots themselves in the head pre-emptively? I, for one, would wait to see if I naturally recover from mere sepsis. To be fair I think Morgan in the walking dead did recover. So maybe that's it, but if so, all those people who killed themselves or were pre-emptively executed for being merely bitten were just wrong.
"I'm not sure how the whole world would get infected by a virus."
Me: *Looks at 2019-Now* I have a theory...
How wierd I was just thinking this as I see your comment from 11 minutes ago. Seems a little sus eh haha
Again, as I’ve already told others, these are not the same thing. In the 2ish years since Covid not EVERY SINGLE PERSON has had it. We’re talking about the entire planet being infected.
@@DashingDavid yeah not everyone has COVID but the thing moved really fast from country to country, if there was a zombie virus probably it would be more virulent and faster then COVID since the dead don't stay dead and asymptomatic ppl would move the thing around aswell, humanity was actually lucky COVID was as weak as ir was it could have gone aireborne ir worse
@@gusp1456 I think what was implyed is all the people who have been forced to get the human made covid vaccine while still not the entire population still far greater than people infected by covid. Which has had in comparison to other medicines in the world 0 human trials and everyone rushed out to infect themselves with it
@@DashingDavid it’s funny how nobody even remembers covid ever since Putin invaded Ukraine
The whole problem with this zombie universe is.. unlimited energy from nothing. zombies continue to be able to produce energy and movement from nothing.. Zombies that apparently have no way to eat anything, ramble on forever. , they don't even need a digestive system to survive.. which then makes it weird that they want to attack and bite people.
I’d like to think the body uses fat reserves then the muscle itself. They’d “starve” in a few months. My theory.
They have shown in the show and books remove the stomach and digestive track it no longer hungers. It attacks more for sport. Cut off the head the head just groans and rolls around no longer tries to attack.
There have been some episodes where they have shown a zombie that “starved” or like have up, so it was just sitting down and it had foliage grown over it. So I mean I think they eventually just sorta give up? But I’m not sure if that helps or not :,D
the other big problem with zombie universe is the neglect of animal wildlife.
There are two possible scenarios involving animals.
1> They are immune to the virus.
If they are immune, simply put the predator population would boon as the decomposing flesh of zombies would be a very attractive feast for any scavenger. (Dogs, wolves, bears coyotes, vultures etc etc etc)
2> They are vulnerable to the virus.
if that's the case, the world just got a whole lot scarier with running rabid zombie wolves, bears etc etc
@@jimmyb.5356 This is something I've always wondered since S1- The animals. Glad I'm not the only one.
Really hope they keep the fast zombies in the show so the Walkers become more of a threat instead of just having slow easy to doge zombies since I'm kinda getting tired of just having 2 groups disagreeing with each other using guns to fight.
Well there’s rumors for them to be in 11C so you’re wish may have come true
@@literallyinsanelycool28 yuui9y8
Finding out what happened in the beginning - where the virus comes from, how it was released across the whole planet - is what I personally want to know about the most.
I really thought the Zombies were going to be scarier. Especially after seeing Morgan's wife turn the doorknob. I thought the dead were a force to be reckoned with, but by season 3 and 4 they become less scary and more of a general inconvenience.
That was the season 1 director. They fired him after thay and got new directors and creators to do the following seasons. They should have kept the season 1 director. He portrayed the zombies and the atmosphere of the environment the best
The entire point of the Walking Dead is that it's not the zombies you need to be afraid of, it's the humans left over.
The zombies of season one were surprisingly fast compared to later seasons. In the first season, they didn't run but they did almost jog. Each season after that they became progressively slower and dumber.
I read an article saying they did that for realistic purposes, as the walkers would continue to decompose and fall apart because they’re dead, so in like 20 years all walkers would pretty much decompose into the ground and there would be none left
Decay and they're in the winter.
There were different directors between the seasons, the original was fired
@@bradenbreitkreutz2762 I think 2 weeks into the apocalypse the zombies would be not a threat if we’re talking realism.
@@Zeroings ikr
As someone who isn’t necessarily into TWD itself but is a big fan of zombies, I think Kirkman not wanting an origin to be revealed is kind of lazy? (This is just my opinion of course.) There’s so many zombie shows, movies, games, and books that it’s gets pretty repetitive but the things that keep the zombie genre fresh are the new, different types of zombies, the different ways that the virus, disease, whatever came into the world, how it can/can’t be transmitted, and if there’s a cure. The mystery and sense of hope of the characters searching for the cdc in the first season was an AMAZING storyline.
If you’re a zombie fan and you find yourself tired of hearing the same zombie story over and over, I urge you to watch Pontypool. No spoilers but the way the virus is transmitted and the solution they come to to cure it is hands down the most interesting and original thing I’ve seen in the genre.
imo i respectfully think you are wrong it allows the community to form their own theories and apply more online presence through conspiracies and tweets as well as a higher reputation and attention
Arguably, zombies are the least interesting and important part of any zombie movie/show. Often, they focus on the "humans are the real monsters" thing, where zombies are dangerous, sure, but are mostly there simply to explain why society has broken down, and provide an ever present, but mostly manageable threat. If you make a mistake, they might get you, but probably you'll die because of a human, directly or indirectly
tbh, the amount of pressure from the community is overwhelming, no story arc or explanation will ever be enough to satisfy the community, maybe 10% will be happy but the other 90% already had a theory in their heads that will always be better than the real thing. I rather have it be open ended then have some explanation that is stupid. Series like Nation Z explore the more "crazy" zombie types better, and it's a great show- but it doesnt have the same vibe as TWD, because it's so vague and the Z's are so basic and consistent.
Yes. It is lazy writing (specifically, worldbuilding) for Kirkman to have disregarded that aspect of his world.
Pontypool was amazing! Canadian film, really great concept.
Aaah, yes. Final Fantasy VII Remake, the best zombie tv show ever made.
Also, I think he shot her in the head. Yet she still reanimated. If these variants can't be killed that would really make them the undead.
That’d be interesting
Very little chance she was shot in the head. You can see a profile shot of the zombie as she moves to the door. She has no blood on her head until her head collides with her already bloodied hands on the door.
Not a headshot, unless the VFX/effects team messed up.
Probably overthinking or a red herring - but speaking of variants: I strongly thought for years that Shane was almost becoming Walker-like before he actually died. His final hours (plus clever dropped hints in cinematography) had loads of foreshadowing, down to his mental unraveling and mannerisms. I had mostly thought it was just clever foreshadowing, but I had a strong inclination that the would die and reanimate before it actually happened (back when Season 2 was still first airing). Especially in his last episode. I couldn't shake the feeling, and even years later, I find it strange and eerie. I always wondered if it was just me, or if there was something to that.
Gotta say, I really started to get into World Beyond. I'm genuinely sad that we won't be getting more. The characters grew on me. At first, it felt like a Disney version of TWD, but they switched that up onme real quick.
I have watched the “the walking dead” but does the “world beyond” worth watching?
@@tommy.vercetti2003 Yeah... I want to know if I should watch or not
@@hopper6094 i rly enjoyed world beyond. i think generally a younger audience enjoys it more since most of the main characters are teenagers and that is more appealing to actual teenagers and those around that age, but it is still a very good show even if you arent that interested in seeing a group of teenagers and two adults try to figure their shit out. the story is well-rounded and i enjoyed all the characters and getting to know them was a rly good time. keep in mind that season two is very different than season one, but they both serve a very important purpose to the story. it also, imo, was a huge part of the set-up for the rick movies bc of some stuff that takes place in the latter half of season two. it fills in some gaps abt the CRM too and just is a great story about some lovable characters
@@etatql so what is the CRM? I stopped watching after they beat Negan and I think they went to that place that all the train tracks led to and the people ended up locking them up in a car, last thing I saw I THINK was when they escaped from those people and I don’t remember seeing anything after that. If you could remind me what season that is I might try to get back into the show and try to catch up on what I’ve missed
@@blainejackson2857 The CRM is an advanced paramilitary organization more competent than any groups from the shows so far and were first teased when Rick 'sploded himself, a while after the Saviors. They are well-equipped, numerous, have a military, civilians, scientists, compounds scattered across who knows how far, etc. They were the central antagonist of World Beyond and have now made important appearances in all three shows so it appears the CRM are going to be a factor unifying the three shows. I suspect the first Rick movie is going to bring the shows together in a bigger way. Anyway, to the people asking (and you), I would suggest World Beyond. It may seem a little too young-adulty to be enjoyable at first, but it pays off IMO and is definitely going to be important for lore reasons going forward.
TS- 19 was Jenner's wife, It was her brain cells ( the only fresh sample he had) that were destroyed when he accidentally knocked over some acid in a small beaker which reacted with some material in came into contact with and set off the Bio breech alarm. when he rushed out of the room he forgot to over ride the computer activated emergency decontamination protocol, the only fresh sample left (TS-19) was destroyed in the ensuing decontamination protocol proceedure. it was after that that he transmitted the communication on the french scientists lap top and several weeks before Rick and Co. showed up at the CDC beating on the door.
they did use to run tho, remember s2?
it was an inconsistensy that always bothered me a little, and I'm pretty sure it was not intentional back then but the speed of the walkers and other aspects of them and their behavior have been pretty inconsistent especially during the earlier seasons.
Because of different writers through all the years
The real reason is the director Frank Darabont wanted them to move fast and have a semblance of humanity in them as he thought that was more interesting.
Robert Kirkman was always against that and that never happened in the comics.
Once Darabont was canned they went to how Kirkman wanted them to be. That's it. No more reasoning than that.
I think the real horror of the zombie apocalypse comes from the fact that you don't know how it started, and there's no way to stop it. A small trickle of unexpected and unknowable threat exponentially escalates to the extinction of the human race. No matter how coordinated and disciplined and determined the surviving humans become, the immortal hoard wins in the end.
Fast zombies that rip people apart are fun for jump scares and gore porn, but not so scary. The slow shambling ever-growing hoard is more horrifying to think about.
Idk I think the real horror is the zombies and the apocalypse
@@DashingDavid kinda disagree, if u know how it started then it usually breaks the fantasy cuz if u put any logical thought into almost any zombie apocalypse it makes zero sense
Not really, in resident evil they give you the origin of the virus and fast zombies. Still one of the best zombie series out there (mainly the game series).
in the last season of the main show, the walkers get MUCH scarier but they arent fast (and we dont see enough of them)
@@DashingDavidthe Virus might come all the way from Deutschland 🇩🇪
From my understanding the reason they got slower was to show the decay happening. Which is shown in each of the opening segments and walkers showing more bone and sagging skin. The fact she's more so fast is probably because she recently changed. However I think its worth pointing out that, often when people change right away. Its often shown as being in close with others. I.E. eaten by a zombies or like Rick and Shane or Andrea and whatever his name was. Where they are forced to kill them fast and they often lunge at people with is a fast moment. The odd time its from a distance but people tend to run away or avoid what maybe coming. The pattern of people being swarmed when bitten also cant be denied. With that being said the whole semi functional zombie like Morgans wife is something that falls into "oh shit we forgot we made that rule". I believe Morgan said that they retain memory for a little while so they hang around homes or something they know. But even as he's is saying that, it makes you wonder why his dead wife hasn't got to the next phase because he made it sound like it had been a while.
Where are all the insects on this show?
This plaque would last all of a month before the insects would have eaten most all of them. They would not be able to sneak up on anyone or anything as the massive swarms of insects following them would be a huge giveaway. The smell would be noticeable for blocks also. Zombies are one of the silliest concepts out there.
ive been re-watching the main show recently and (having only seen online clips of this end credit scene) I think it may link all the way back to season 1 and the "smart walkers" Darabont put in the show. As some individual walkers were quite fast and some seemed to retain memories (e.g. Morgan's wife). And, since Dr Jenner hadn't left the CDC he wouldn't know of the variant making it to America at that point. hence why he would say he hadn't seen it yet. idk if it is for that but this "variant" could explain the smart walkers from the early seasons.
And /or a backstage story, that a writer, in the first season, who made zombies act, left the show... (true fact)
And the other didn't but an I on that. They where more concentrated, that the zombies after 10 years look more rottet/dryed out.
@@littlescully3637 exactly can’t eat,breathe,reproduce . Can’t regrow limbs . People could believe zombies can evolve but they are human bodies 🧟 so 🤷🏾♂️ as a fan to know the world 🌎 is it’s no way zombies 🧟♀️ was the problem it’s people, that’s was the monsters of the show smh 🤦🏾♂️
Having not yet seen this new show but being familiar with storytelling the most likely explanation is that Jenner and the rest of the world were lead to believe that the zombie virus is natural while in fact it was created more or less on purpose, perhaps literally in an attempt to cure death itself. These faster and smarter zombies cerrainly point to the on purpose explanation at the very least
@Brett M im aware that after Darabont left the "smart walker" thing was dismissed I just thought it was a cool idea lol
He knew about the walkers, not the running smart ones. And in the beginning, he was too occupied by finding a cure/vaccine (to slow the process or help your body completely fight the virus) and his dead wife to pay attention to walkers outside his door.
i gave up on TWD ages ago but this video is the first im hearing of world beyond and i'm definitely gonna check it out. keep up the good work dude
Thanks! 🥺
There was a zombie in fear the walking dead that was smart. In s3 there was an episode that started off with a man waking up and his wife in the kitchen moving pots and pans around, he called her name and she turned around but she was a walker.. also in s1 fear the walking dead trailer a zombie walked past a mum and a baby and went after someone else who was alone, i think she didn’t want to hurt the baby and may have still had somewhat control over who she killed
Are you sure the walker didn’t see them.
@@poultry-lover6665 100%
"also in s1 fear the walking dead trailer a zombie walked past a mum and a baby and went after someone else who was alone, i think she didn’t want to hurt the baby and may have still had somewhat control over who she killed"
Morals in this world are fucked up, people who are alone really doesn't matter to anyone in this shitty society?
And after that they'all been asking me why I hate Humanity, bunch of ignorants egoists.
My favorite part of watching a new zombie movie or show is learning about a new take on how a zombie outbreak started
I am very curious where this will go. The fact that we're finally getting an answer the the biggest question in the series.
I've always thought they should make a bunch of compost piles, and then use them in a way, either with little exploding balls, or dousing large groups with the compost which would coat them in beneficial bacteria and cause them to decompose even quicker.
They could also bomb the hordes
Its not that hard to find a functioning jet or even propeller plane with bombing capability
Theres a few in a lot of army bases, just gotta get access to a map
@@caralho5237 Well, obviously that should always be on the table. You need to know how to fly a jet or propeller plane beforehand, though.
With this, everyone can help out if it works.
The creator of the whole walkingdead universe admitted hes just been bullshitting it for years, theres no real story and it isn't going anywhere
The Walking Dead creator ended the comic years ago and it very much did go somewhere
@@dougrattmann3554 you think it went somewhere? It literally ended with them just going on in the new world. The OP is exactly right. Kirkman did not care about the cause of the virus, the story was simply about humans surviving in a world that brought out the worst or best in them.
Kirkman is a hack
@@Steef_Lee exploring the origin isn't the only thing to make a story go somewhere. It's like the most cliche thing you can do in a zombie story, where would it even go? Space virus? Romero already did that. And being that the comics were inspired by Romero that's probably the origin anyway so there's no point in talking about it.
The entire story was about creating a world where Carl could live in safety. That happened. The story went that direction. It very much did go somewhere, you just don't like that it didn't end with a cliche exploration of the virus.
@@dougrattmann3554 I liked it, I really liked. When did I say I didn’t like it? I just think it’s understandable that people think it didn’t go anywhere. It didn’t go anywhere because that’s not the kind of story he was telling. I absolutely agree with you, though, it’s just about perspective.
I am here for the SCIENCE! I was furious with Kirkman when he said he regretted the CDC episode and didn’t want anything like that. The human stories are great and all but don’t give me hundreds-thousands of hours of a zombie apocalypse with ZERO science! We want to know why they’re there and how they “work.” More of this please…
This "new zombie" or virus mutation is gonna be why getting rid of the zombies (fungi experiment) is more important than a cure if they ever think to introduce a prospect of it
My theory is that at first the virus was more 'potent', so the very first waves of infected were smarter both because their body was still fresh and also because the virus did not deteriorate the brain much. Then as the virus spread to more and more people it mutaded and lost its potency and the infected began to be more and more stupid.
The real reason is the director Frank Darabont wanted them to move fast and have a semblance of humanity in them as he thought that was more interesting.
Robert Kirkman was always against that and that never happened in the comics.
Once Darabont was canned they went to how Kirkman wanted them to be. That's it. No more reasoning than that.
@@stuv1996 I doubt there is a single soul on Earth that doesn't know that by now.
That doesn't change the fact that there needs to be an in-universe reason, thus theories are born.
Andrew Lincoln wanting out is why he was written off, but it wouldn't be a good idea for them to have Rick look at the camera and say "the actor playing me doesn't want to anymore, so this is my last episode" and then roll credits.
A virus (best recent example being virus-19) Always mutates into dfferent things and more potent, not the opposite. Some MUCH quicker then others.
On the spreading point: in the game days gone the virus also starts in a lab, and it spreads when a lab tech goes to an international meeting of scientists, which had scientists attending from every country in the world. He spread it to them, and they took it to their home countries and continued to spread it. I think an idea like this is a good idea for how the Walker virus could’ve spread.
It was space spore, Kirkman had a spin off walking dead comic with Rick's brother where he told us.
I've always wondered how the zombies can only die when you damage their brain but isn't the brain just mostly water? so howcome the brain of the zombies don't degrade along with the body and they still have to kill even an almost skeleton zombie through the head?
Because they haven't put that much thought into it. You see hundreds of people in this comment section saying " they move slower because of the advanced decay!" Without ever mentioning the fact that the brain should decay at a faster rate than most of the body to begin with and once it has the zombie should simply be unable to move even if other parts could still be classified as alive
It doesnt make sense because if it did, the zombies would have just decomposed in months. Show over.
It’s less about destroying the brain and more about severing the connection between brain and spinal cord. If that happens, the brain can’t control the body and they are effectively neutralised
@@zachary3367 Yeah, once you bring decay into it, you debunk the whole cocnept of the show because you cant wriggle out of the logical conclusion that the zombies would just decompose in a matter of months. All it would take to survive the apocalypse would be to get to a hidden place with tons of supplies and just wait.
Damaging the brain can result to stop body movements instantly. So if u thought about it this way they don't actually die they just stop working until they die
I'm of the opinion that The Last of Us zombies are probably the most consistent lore and science-wise, owed mostly to basing the infection off of a real life fungus that turns bugs essentially into zombies, slaves to the fungus's will, called Cordyceps, which iirc was canonically weaponized as a form of bioterrorism for the story.
Basing the infection off a real life concept makes it more grounded in reality. They had a clear system of infection via direct contraction (virus spreads through bloodstream by bite, or other contact with infected body parts like zombie blood getting into an open wound) or even through the air by the inhaling fungal spores, they had a multistage life cycle that visibly showed stages of infection, and culminated in the bodies seeking out warm, dark and damp areas before collapsing into a fungus mush to reproduce the spores, exactly as a real fungus would.
TWD has been overly inconsistent, and not just because of the first season that everyone points to. Even later seasons the writers make it clear that they don't really even have a consistent system for how exactly zombies HUNT, the literal primary source/drive of conflict with these things. "They hunt by smell so we'll cover ourselves in nasty guts to get through them undetected, no wait actually all you have to do is wear a human face leather mask and walk with a limp, they hunt by sound, except if you hide long enough they'll....get bored and wander off now? They hunt by sight except if you make a sound they can find you behind a wall."
The first thing to go generally is the eyes, and since TWD makes it clear that they are in fact shambling corpses, rot and all, you should probably be able to stand in front of a group undetected as long as you don't make a sound, and that's not what gets shown.
I gave up trying to figure it out a long time ago.
The emphasis on human-zombie conflict has been so relatively low on the priority list the last several seasons I'm surprised they haven't moved towards "almost all the zombies on the planet are dead and now the conflict is everyone is fighting and trying to figure out how to rebuild society in the wake of a near extinction event" there could still be zombies, but more in the form of "someone really sick or old died, and is now a threat" and more interactions outside of settlements being with lone individuals or small groups of more recent dead (which you could then amp up the tragedy of these sightings for drama, being more recognizably human), rather than hoards of possibly decade-old zombies that should have fully rotted and crumbled to the ground within months at most.
You should read the book “The Girl with all the Gifts”. It goes with the same concept but expands on it. It’s also beautifully written. There is a prequel as well called “The Boy on the Bridge”. The movie was terrible and completely lost the core moral of the story. I wouldn’t bother with that.
Yeah, that couldn't happen with a show that would prematurely kill off characters for literally no reason just for shock value. Maybe in the 1st and 2nd season, but for me personally, I knew once they played loose and fast with what's basically your main antagonistic force, you're gonna lose the plot.
There is a podcast called “We’re Alive: Story of Survival” that I think you would find very interesting. It may not be as based on FULL science as the cordyceps spores are, but it is very clear about its direction, the intelligence of the creatures, different types, and even selective breeding and creation of new monsters. It’s not your typical “rising dead people” story, and the characters actively turn their opinions away from the term zombie. It goes into how the dead creatures still impact those around them after they’ve been taken out, too. Right now it has the original story, followed by two additional mini-series: Lockdown and Goldrush. A sequel series is coming out in April called “We’re Alive: Descendants.”
The TWD were just trying to tell a story, not everything has to be dissected and analyzed to death. I don't watch LOTR and wonder how Saruman has magic.
Cordyceps in TLOU initially spread through infected chocolate and coffee crops in South America. It was an accident.
The only way I could think of that every person on the planet could be infected if it was man made would be if it somehow got into the water cycle. Obviously that doesn't explain the other variants. One thing that will always bother me about the show is that a good portion of the zombies would have started to break down too much to still be functional. Their brains would have decomposed after a certain length of time. Also, you see zombies fall from great distances, but get up like it wouldn't have destroyed their brains, but in other episodes they fall like 10 feet and die. Continuity errors bother me.
I wonder why Kirkman doesn't want to do anything with the origin of the virus, unless he knows something about it he's scared to say or whatever
Predatory or Ambush zombies that stalk within large groups of zombies would absolutely be terrifying, IMagine seeing a group of "easily" avoidable zombies only to notice one is making constant eye contact and matching your movements.
That would be fk terrifying. I would legit do it in my pants if it happened to me. I would expect it to suddenly sprint towards me aswell.
You mean skin walkers?
they already kind of do this, at least ones that dont make any noise
also, they get really scary in the last season..
TS19 was Dr Jenner’s wife, he previously referred to her as the “Other Dr Jenner”
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You are correct sir!!!
I have always wondered where the virus originated from, but I also wonder why the virus doesn’t affect animals. The zombie’s clearly attack animals, but the animals don’t reanimate and resurrect like humans. You would think the virus would be able to infect and spread through any living organisms regardless of species. It seems to be only exclusively relevant to humans. Kind of a contradiction.
A virus has a host type of animal is uses as a way to replicate itself. Most of them stay with that type of creature (called a vector) unless they mutate to crossover to another type of creature. Avian flu, pig flu, covid...all managed to jump from one vector to another. This virus just hasn't done that......yet.
s5e13 a horse name buttons turned into a zombie after bitten by them, and Aaron had to eliminated it
the reason why we rarely see a dead animal because the walkers usually devour them until the rest of the bones
@@rhezaprathama9264 After becoming spooked by walkers in a field when Daryl tries to tie Buttons up to take back to Alexandria, Buttons takes off and is eventually discovered by Aaron and Daryl, but becomes swarmed by walkers and is mauled. After the walkers are all killed, Buttons is left mortally wounded and is heard moaning, barely clinging to life. Aaron shoots Buttons in the head to end his suffering.
It's hilarious when people that know nothing about a subject say "it's a contradiction"
They where smart in the open scene a little girl drops and picks up her stuffed bear.
When you had those whispering zombies in the TV show that seemed smarter I got soo excited for new variants of zombies and it turned out to just be some group dressing up which really disappointed me.
One of the reasons for the delay on the Rick Grimes film is because of Andrew Lincoln himself. One of the reasons he quit the show was because he was homesick. Andrew is from the UK and has wife and kids. His wife and kids decided to stay in the UK, whilst he went over to America to shoot The Walking Dead. Andrew might be reluctant to spend to long time away from his family again.
A real wife would have moved to the U.S. with him. She hoeing around in the UK while Andrew's gone.
I remember my first San Diego Comic Con in 2012 I got a chance to ask Robert Kirkman this very question, how did the zombie apocalypse start. This was just after the first season and they weren't even in the main hall, hall H. He was in some side room that maybe held 100 people. Anyway he told me he wasn't interested in telling the origins on the zombie apocalypse, he was more interested in what happens after! Well I guess after 12 years we might actually find out.
France, turns out you're right, now they got Daryl Dixon to France
Doc from season 1, told Rick "it was already in all of us". Which I didn't ca5ch the first time, and could mean, recent airborne pathogen. Zombies also seem to activate from sound, and fail to recognize by sent, which can also explain the "memory" concept. Romero had the idea that given time, the dead could possibly remember how to use tools, and had feelings. Shawn of the Dead, showed they could be taught/used like animals, showing a small level of intelect at least. I was waiting for the "survivors" to find a zombie controlled zone, in direct opposition of the living.
I don't mind getting a background for the infection. I feel it's kind of needed because, well, it's a big damn deal. What I DO mind is seeing things slip towards yet another generic "everyone looks for a cure while hyper-aggro zombies run at 60 MPH all over the place" thing. What, is Brad Pitt coming onto the show now or something? "BUT WHAT IF WE MADE THEM UNDEAD PUT BULLS," sure, why not bring in Milla Jovovich and some actual CGI pit bulls while you're at it I guess? Ratings are flagging, gotta do something to try to spice it up, right?
The whole point of zombies is to present the inevitability of death, however long it takes. No matter what, the zombies will catch up to you. No matter what precautions you take, they're always there. They're inescapable, they can be delayed but never stopped, and they will always appear where they're not welcome. making them fast and hyper-aggressive just makes them less-interesting werewolves.
Well said.
Kirkman did say that whole side of a zombie story was very boring to him as well. In the comics there is never any scientists or talk of a cure. Ever.
You can read it for free online, I highly suggest it.
I have a theory on the actual origins I'll post below. Only read if you want to know.
Kirkman himself said that "the real reason behind the virus is really stupid and I'll never tell anyone because many would hate it." I personally think it's God or something that made the dead rise.
It would explain why it doesn't make sense as far as science goes, it's not scientific at all.
There's also a fuck ton of religious symbology/themes in the comics and show.
He was also raised very religious and became atheist. He has also parodied religion with some of his previous work like Battle Pope.
I think all signs point towards it being a supernatural/ heavenly origin for the virus and that's why he keeps it to himself.
The theory that the meth that Walter white created was jumpstarting the zombie virus is one of those theories that I really liked. It was confirmed that it's the same universe, so that could be fun for a TV only canon. The comic canon could keep on being different.
I dont think theyre the same universe whatsoever. Daryls blue meth is likely only a reference bc amc
I personally fucking despise that theory, because I NEVER ever want to see tuco, or Jesse or waltuh or mike or any of that. No, there have been references, but no. Aaron Paul himself denies that theory, so I don’t believe it,.
The walkers were smart for being a corpse with no ability to think other than eating humans, I think this is because of the newly turned walker kind of phase since they are much more less intelligent later in the seasons but I’m glad we learn a little more since I think that’s something we were all wondering what happened and how it started
I think rick is immune to the virus and Morgan
Man it's interesting to see Jenner again, he hasn't been shown since TWD season 1.🔥 The show's been going on for more than 10 years, time sure does fly. I still remember season 1 and season 2 premieres, and here we are now.🤣
Yeah it’s crazy. I was there for the first premier as well. And really just about all of them since lol time does indeed fly
@@DashingDavid Yeah same i was there for all of them. Season 5 premiere might still be my favorite. 😎🔥
Yeah that’s one of the top episodes in general in the show. Was my favorite up until Rick’s last episode. That shit is just pure art.
@@DashingDavid Totally agree man!😎🔥🔥🔥
Man I dont think you are right about the zombie variants. I do remember that in the beginning, it was hinted, that shortly after they return, they are very dangerius. Fast, somewhat clever and far stronger than living human. With time however, or while they die in some damaging way, they deteriorate over time. Like those old, seasoned, seriously rotten hordes vs. the freshly infected from first series.
There's people who we watch turn in newer seasons and they're still slow.
The real reason is the director Frank Darabont wanted them to move fast and have a semblance of humanity in them as he thought that was more interesting.
Robert Kirkman was always against that and that never happened in the comics.
Once Darabont was canned they went to how Kirkman wanted them to be. That's it. No more reasoning than that.
Having to rewatch the series and only being on season 6, seeing this is fucking terrifying
"The bitch is running" 🤣
I think this new walker type is a last ditch effort to breath something new into the show before it ends. It was a mistake. Either focus on the CRM, new walker threats,aggoes drama, nuclear fallout or the new settlement on Walking Dead(with the space suits). It's to scattered to be invested in all of that.
The commonwealth (space suits).
My theory is that the reason Walkers ran in the first season but not in the later ones despite people being freshly turned is because the virus perhaps evolved taking away the hosts ability to perform more human tasks🤷♂️
How it spread was answered by the CDC doctor in Season 1. (Though we didn't find out until later what he whispered to Rick.)
Everyone is already infected.
Here's my thought. The virus got out and was spread person to person like any other virus. But it doesn't have any negative effects until you're bitten or until you die. For a few weeks, the virus spreads rapidly throughout the population, but no one noticed anything until someone infected dies. At that point, you get the first walker and it bites someone. From there the "zombie" portion spreads rapidly with different epicenters worldwide.
Yup. It's like an ideal run in Plague, Inc., where you go undetected with as few symptoms as possible for as long as you can and then evolve utter lethality all of a sudden, too fast for anyone to fight it.
In the walking dead, the woman who went back to her own house does not make sense, because Morgan found that house. Rick confirmed that by saying he knew the people who used to live there. So that was a bust lol
Even though they say they regretted it, the CDC episode made sense as the "mega arc" and the show meandered about, it should have been a 10 season show where the origin and cure were revealed by the time Rick left the show and continued on via spin offs which could have explored "re-claiming" the tarrain from the zombies and issues with forging a new society but instead the show meandered aimlessly
"GOD DID IT".
-The simpletons that humanity named 'Theists' and who more and more realize are kindaaa a social problem and not a Belief-System.
@@loturzelrestaurant atheist fantasy
@@quantumfrost9467 You mean Theists, i think.
@@loturzelrestaurant I mean God probably did do it.
Kirkman himself said that "the real reason behind the virus is really stupid and I'll never tell anyone because many would hate it." I personally think it's God or something that made the dead rise.
It would explain why it doesn't make sense as far as science goes, it's not scientific at all.
There's also a fuck ton of religious symbology/themes in the comics and show.
He was also raised very religious and hated it, and became atheist. Most of his work pretty heavily ties into religion, with Outcast being about demons and possession and Battle Pope being a parody.
I think all signs point towards it being a supernatural/ heavenly origin for the virus as all of his work is about religion in some way.
I am also atheist for the record, I'm not just shoving "muh GOD" into anything I can, all evidence just points to that.
@@stuv1996 That's very interesting. I think you and Loturzel are correct . The Bible has many verses referring to zombie-like activities. Here are a couple...
Zechariah 14:12-13 "This is the plague with which the LORD will strike all the nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths. On that day people will be stricken by the LORD with great panic. They will seize each other by the hand and attack one another."
Revelation 9:6 - "And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them."
Jeremiah 19:9 - "And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend in the siege and straitness, wherewith their enemies, and they that seek their lives, shall straiten them."
Psalm 27:2
When the wicked, even mine enemies and my foes, came upon me to eat up my flesh, they stumbled and fell.
I always figured zombies should be fast at first due to the body not having broken down yet, the muscle is still in good condition. Slowly as the body is damaged or decays they would slow down and become less intelligent as the body breaks down
I realize the series wasn’t meant to be ‘Dawn Of The Dead’ or any other show, but I miss how the walkers would sometimes run whenever they were in a large group (in the first episode, Morgan implied that they were more riled up the larger a group they were in).
okay, her running after immediately reanimating isnt surprising. they full on sprinted in the beginning of the series.
Perhaps it changed because different people have been writing it and when it was written in the first season they didn’t already have that established and answered behind closed doors. They didn’t know where it’d be over 10 years later
Im excited for this to play out, but Kirkmans idea should of been respected.... it was much better knowing that everyone was infected with no answers, compared to the cliche "made by scientists"
The latter made The Walking Dead unique, in an oversaturated world of zombie films and TV
Great video. Yeah I remember the zombies being faster in season 1, very interesting to see if there was actually a reason for it. I just thought they OP'd them the had to make them slower.
Fun fact: a certain Space Parasite Zombie species is (sudo) more realistic than any Virus zombie thing, The Flood are like a parasite that infect ants and travel to infect others, they spread via spore, and so on, all their features actually have a scientific explanation that’s even shown in their story’s, as well as having a well developed origin as opposed to most zombies which are “lab man want zombie persons.”
Yeah but that's stupid and it's already been done.
I didn't watch season two of the world beyond and now I'm kicking myself, I will definitely watch it. I'm amazed that no one caught the fact you said Jenner was close to T-19, T-19 was his wife.