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Here's the $64,000 question that no one has asked yet: What happened to the infected that bit Eillie? In my mind I'd like to think the fungus slowly leaves the body and depending on what shape it is in will depend if you survive.
I won't be sharing any other theories cause this was my theory Paul! You chump! We'll call it parallel thinking I guess 🤔 little sad I didn't get a shoutout...BGood
When the old lady is in the background of one scene you see her daughter trying to feed her corn bread and the mother pushing it away as its put into her mouth. The infection is in the corn
The other thing is that the people with twitch’s (first sign of infection) were people with comprised immune systems . The classmate with a medical bracelet, the elderly woman.
And if he had diabetes, for example, and ate carbs (like bread made from tainted wheat) he would probably see a rapid rise and fall in glucose levels is a hindering the bodies ability to fight foreign infection.
Forced medical procedure? What ever do you mean? Can’t be getting a covid vaccine, as it was a bit 2003 in this fictional version of the world. Aside from that, this is a video about “The Last of Us” television show.
They mentioned that the chance of being infected is much higher if you've been in the city. They also said that the neighbor had just been to the city to get her meds. In the truck, when they are talking about whether they could be infected, Joel says that they probably aren't infected because none of them have been to the city recently and while his daughter says she hasn't, she looks worried because that's where she just got his watch fixed.
Sure, but the characters are just guessing and trying to calm their fears about what's happening. The flour being a vector for the infection makes a ton of sense given all the heavy clues the show gives us about the main characters unintentionally avoiding flour products. Joel even forgets to pick up a birthday cake.
It’s especially cool knowing that alongside Cordyceps in nature, there has also evolved an anti-Cordyceps parasite, that prevents Cordyceps from taking over hosts by preying on the parasitic fungus itself as it tries to take over a host. Interesting if Ellie somehow is the first human to have been infected by an evolved version of this “good” parasitic fungus. 😊
If I’m remembering correctly there has been many people with the immunity but they killed themselves before realizing, I also remember hearing that the fireflies had killed a bunch of them.
If I recall correctly though, the parasitic fungus also causes extreme immunodeficiency. Truth be told, I’d take that over getting infected with Cordyceps.
@@SirAlexanderr That young boy that they euthanized after telling him that they'd get him food and medicine and toys. What if he was immune? They immediately kill anyone as soon as they test positive. They could be killing MANY people who might he immune.
X-Files had a horrifying episode based on the Cordyceps fungus. Apart of me always wonders if Neal saw that episode as a kid and was just as traumatized as I was lol
It always bothered me that in that episode Scully inadvertently but callously causes Toad's death. [edit] Woops wrong episode. I'm thinking of S02E22, where a parasite results in an infectious agent being sprayed on anyone nearby. It's not a fungus though. Charles Martin Smith gets a face full thanks to Scully having stridently inserted herself into the circumstance. She's totally a Karen in that episode.
yeah, it's the one with the research team in the volcano who got infected from a rock that was split open to study, totally forgot bradley whitford played the lead scientist who sacrificed himself to stop the infection from spreading. loved these type of stories just as much as the alien invasion arc, it was such a shame how the revival seasons were handled, written & directed, don't think i can ever rewatch any of that, except maybe the one with the AI restaurant sending the psycho drones after mulder & skully for a positive review, at least had the old school humor & horror done right twilight zone style
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really doesn't make sense though. they would havebeen eating flour from the same sources in the days before and after. flour is soubiquitous that anybody not actively avoiding gluten would have eaten it before anyone would figure out that it was a source of infection. what is much more plausible than avoidingit by avoiding all flour is just avoiding it by sheer luck because, if the infection was spread by imported flour, most flour would not be contaminated.
The most terrifying part about the last Of us was when I found out that most of the infected are still in their minds and are aware of what's happening that just as an entire new horror to the entire situation imagine being in your mind trapped inside of an infected body and not having any control over your faquaties and just force to linger around in an abandoned buithing waiting for something alive to come in and trying to eat it against your will. For years no less
I imagine the reason so many of the infected tumbles when running and not having full control of their motor capabilities is becasue deep down subconsciously the host is trying to fight hunting down people
@@WoWFtw8 Nah, the hosts have no real control at all. They're just locked out. But the cordyceps does relinquish a bit of control when it's not in attack mode. But it also doesn't relinquish much control. It essentially paralyzes their bodies to keep them from moving when they're in a dormant state, and they can only do certain things like move their eyes around, probably because of the eyes being one of the the closest things directly wired to the brain. As we saw in a trailer, they were holding a knife to ones face, the type that is already long gone and plastered to a wall to be consumed and unable to move, and he was following it with his eyes, indicating he was mentally aware, and probably following the knife to indicate he wanted to be killed to end his suffering, because that was the only movement he could control. I'd imagine after a certain point for most infected, the cordyceps consumes enough of their brain that even the cordyceps itself loses control over motor functions, and then the cordyceps just consumes them from there to grow itself, since they are no longer physically useful to spread the infection anymore, the only use for them is food. So they couldn't attack even if the cordyceps wants to. So what it tells us is that cordyceps primarily invades the brains motor function regions, but not so much the regions for thinking or memory or basic bodily functions like heart beat, because it needs those intact in order for motor functions to work and for the host to be kept alive. If it does too much damage to those areas, it wouldn't be able to utilize them to attack with. For example, a zombie with no mental processing capability (i.e. brain dead but heart still beating) would give the cordyceps nothing to work with. They need certain brain structures intact in order to process things like visuals and sound and sensation, in order to perform even basic functions like walking/running/attacking.
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Tommy looking for pancakes at their breakfast shows how close they all were to getting infected, great writing. You see the Addlers feed the grandmother that biscuit, as Sarah and Joel head to school and work, that was the moment the old lady was infected. Edit: they didn’t have pancakes because joel forgot to get the pancake mix, which really ties in with how consuming his job was because he had to work on his birthday and couldn’t even get home by the time he promised Sarah.
If Joel bought pancake mix, realistically there is no chance it would have the same brand new flour that people are getting infected by. If that was the case, widespread infection would have occurred already. Whatever new flour is being sold will start infecting people the day it reaches the market shelves. Only people who buy brand new flour (not old stock) and use it right after buying it will be the initially infected, and it will then spread like a zombie virus with only a small number of original hosts. The granny next door is an original host, presumably from the brand new flour they got and used in the morning. Since people started getting infected mid-day, it's easy to then assume the flour was initially stocked the previous mid-day, and took at least 16 hours to infect people. And this has to be one of the first cities to be stocked with the new flour for public consumption, as there clearly isn't a widespread outbreak in America before this day. One possibility is that nobody realizes it is the flour that is infecting people, and people all around the world don't know what to avoid until it is too late. Possibly even contact with the flour could lead to infection, but likely at a much slower pace than eating it.
I also think the fungi only infected people with weaker immune systems this way, the show points out the kid with the medical bracelet and the grandma twitching pointedly, then, they could spread it to healthy people via bites.
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In real life Cordyceps is mostly found in Asia. The genus has a worldwide distribution and most of the approximately 600 species[3] that have been described are from Asia (notably Nepal, China, Japan, Bhutan, Korea, Vietnam, and Thailand). Cordyceps species are particularly abundant and diverse in humid temperate and tropical jungles. So it makes sense for the outbreak to start in Indonesia. Apparently, they don't want it spreading by spores in the TV show because they don't want to cover the actor's faces with gas masks (despite the fact Pedro Pascal has shown he can act with his face fully covered). So it makes sense that they change the initial infection happening due to spores to happening due via ingestion like ergot. (Real-life Cordyceps spreads to insects via spores and unlike ergot and other poison fungi Cordyceps is edible by people and actually has health benefits). The scientist in 60s talks about ergot and other poisonous fungi that cause hallucination, hinting that this fictional cordyceps is like ergot (makes you sick via ingestion) so it makes sense that the original outbreak was spread by bread. The scientist also mentioned human immune systems being able to fight infections (notably fever). This is silly if you think about it since real-life cordyceps are from the jungle and jungles are hot and real-life fungi like coccidioidomycosis (Valley Fever) can infect people just fine. But suspending our disbelief, it makes sense that the first person we see infected is an old woman. Maybe many people ate contaminated wheat but only those with weaker immune systems became infected that way, but they in turn can infect more people through bites which might have a higher risk of infection?
and just as you would expect, caterpillars infected with cordyceps sinensis are one of the most expensive quack cures in traditional chinese medicine! xD
@@Dylbz-ne8st nope it's all about who and wanting to show off actors faces more which is dumb as fuck and that logic led to the Halo show having master Chief without a helmet for 90 percent of it
The masks aren't the only reason they didn't use airborne spores. They said it actually doesnt make sense that people survived so long if it was spread by spores. They said they wanted to make it more plausible and if it was spread by spores going airborne, honestly everyone would have been infected.
There was also a line said right before Joel talked about being on Adkins where the older male neighbor offered Sarah some leftover biscuits which would further your argument/claim.
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It just broke me that “Mercy” (the dog) came to Sarah, but she wasn’t spared. (Of course she wouldn’t, I just think the dog’s name was a sadistic joke on the part of the writers 😅)
I found a slight editing mistake that I haven’t heard anyone mention: Sarah’s teacher says “your homework is due after class tomorrow”, but then later Tommy doesn’t want to be in jail “all weekend” because it was Friday. There wouldn’t be school the next day
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@@pizzapizza1460 idk, just the way she looks. 🤷♂️ But honestly, it’s 2023, you should be happy that they didn’t cast her as a dude from another race. (And before anyone calls me racist, I’m not. I just think that some roles require certain fits. You wouldn’t cast Lizzo as Elton John in “Rocketman”, you wouldn’t cast The Rock as one of “Charlie’s Angels”, and you wouldn’t star Tom Hanks as a main character in “Crazy Rich Asians”. And sadly enough, this is exactly the type of crap they’ve been doing to our entertainment.)
@@bryanfukingfox see I wouldn’t call u racist but then u start naming black people like we the only other race 😭but I agree some characters shouldn’t be changed
Good analysis on the food theory. I think that is very likely the source of the infection. Who was patient zero? And I wonder if food is still tainted 20 years later or it is just spreading due to the sheer volume of infected.
I don't think the food is infected everywhere, we saw Ellie eat a sandwich and I know she's immune but I can't imagine they'd be still making bread if all the flour was guaranteed to give you the virua
They could have eaten flour products before, was it really only on this day that the infection was contained in food? It also mentioned that those who were in the city could get infected, but Joel was at work and Sarah was at school where one of her classmates might have been infected (the boy whose arm was shaking). In general, it is not entirely clear, but thanks for the explanation.
Could be a certain brand of flour. Remember Romain lettuce with e coli a few years ago. You couldn't order food with it from some places, but others could, since they used different vendors.
@@EggEnjoyer yea that and everyones body works differently. Higher and lower immune systems and tolerances. Also this was 2003. No social media and world governments eager to suppress the media and information. You'll recall the Arabic shopkeepers were in on the know because of their family in the M.E. You'll also recall how the lady politely decided to omit the details of why she was kicking Sarah out. And Joel and Tommy just told their neighbors to stay inside, not that shit was going down and to run. So while it seems like everything is happening everywhere all at once, theres a good chance that this took time to build up over days and what we saw on the 26th was just the breaking point.
I think the bigger sign was....the people who are closest to turning......have no appetite. They stop eating food while infected has complete control of you brain and body and has no need for food. It's feeding off your body.
Aside from logistical reasons- like Joel being on Atkins would have him avoid wheat products regularly- it is just the way of conveying the idea through the medium. The writers said they were leaving breadcrumbs (rimshot). Could be that not all wheat product was infected and they could have easily had pancakes and been fine, but then it wouldn’t hint at the underlying causes.
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One of the writers did say look to the food crumbs. Then the actors Adkins diet which is a diet without flour. So I’m betting you’re 1000% right on this.
What's amusing to me is there a a million zombie shows that I don't watch, but I find this one very engaging and terrifying. I assume it's because of the fungi angle.
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the scientist is the actor who played jonathan in the mummy 1999,his most memorable scene for me was when he treid to pretend he was among the infected and chant "Imhotep" lol.
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Watching this after episode two really proves just how well crafted your analysis is. I won't mention any specific details just in case anybody's really worried about any spoilers.
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It's not a theory or his theory. It's fact and Joel later tells Ellie the same thing. We also told Heavy Spoilers about it in his previous videos in the comments that he ripped off of.
The flour theory makes sense until you notice that for that to happen the fungus would've to mutate to resist oven temperatures(bread and cookies must be cooked), at the beginning of the series they talk about a posible mutation that would allow the fungust tu survive the global warming , but that would be like a 5°F-10°F, this would also allowed them to live inside the human body 98,6°F. But from not being able to resist more than 94°F to resist more than 350°F thats a huuuuge jump.
Eggs will likely be contaminated by fungi and other bacteria, also other meats, soy, water, plant foods may be contaminated One can sanitize wheat by freeze/thaw/freeze in freezer for certain parasites/fungi and of course X-ray irradiate…yet takes time and resources.
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In the last of us podcast, it was definitely insinuated that there are going to be some big twist explanations from this episode later and I think you hit it right on!
I never really thought about it but in episode 2 they mentioned the infection began in a wheat and grain factory. And the old lady in episode 1 was eating biscuits and got infected. And Joel, Sarah, and tommy were all supposed to have pancakes for breakfast. It’s possible had they eaten pancakes the flour in the mix could have the contaminants in it.
Same here. That moment where he had a flashback was so well done. I'm literally thinking of watching it again just because of how amazing the episode was!
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@Heavyspoilers The creator said that the whole show is gonna have a lot of hints and connective tissue. To the story as a whole. Should be fun for a lot of channels.
It would be interesting if they explain it out in the show/series. I like the theory about the flour being contaminated and you might just be on to it since they seemed to purposely avoid food in the episode. Im just going to have to watch it again ;)
I love the series so far, and the theories you've thrown in here make it even creepier... In a century or two, will the planet just be a ball of fungi?
A similar fungal infection affected a large quantity of cocoa beans in 2019 I think, as such it affected chocolate supply for a while and Cordycepts is more likely to come into contact with cocoa and coffee beans anyway and would affect a huge number of people
there was an internet story of a guy who injected himself with shrooms - left him with a whole bunch of spore constantly growing in his blood - they have meds to keep him alive - but he must take a lot of them "That's what I heard on the road, anyhow. Take it for what it is." - Bodhan Feddic
The pancakes!! Sarah asks Joel if they have pancake mix and he says no. In the second episode we find out the first known incident in Jakarta is at a flour factory and the scientist says it was the perfect substrate for the fungus. 🤯
Really cool to see details pointed out that would have otherwise gone over my head! Also, I was not expecting a Darkplace comparison to be thrown in there, but I thoroughly enjoyed it 🤣 👌🏼
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I think you are right about how the people get infected, is a big good explanation how everyone around the world get infected so quickly. I cant believe how a fungus can infect food so quickly and the worst thing is that no one notice because when you look at the food it looks normal without knowing that they are tiny micro organisms of cordycep in the flour or other things.
The flour is ground up, so it's likely sparse enough to keep any greater fungus bodies from forming, leading to only microscopic pieces developed. And also likely was already on the flour itself, rather than a contamination at the factory. And most farming is automated, where the farmer just drives a machine through a field, and it's also often ground up as it's harvested, and then just processed finer at the factory. So there could have easily been small but visible cordyceps on the grain, but went unnoticed, which were then just ground up into the flour, becoming indistinguishable from the flour.
I like how the cookies containing yeast got the neighbors, and penicillin etc got those in and around the hospital. I think it was hinted that the daughter was infected.
In episode 3 Joel said it was speculated that it was in the food supply (flour) and I would say that the grandma who turned into a runner from that but I think it’s cus they went into the city earlier with her
Its not a coincidence that 10/10 SARS variants come from industrial breed birds - Due to selective breeding and forced antibiotics we have created bird species with lower immune defenses and in combination with overcrowded housing the entire process becomes a breeding ground for dangerous microbiology. All it takes is for one, just one, of these sars variants to mutate a gene we have no defense against and its byebye.
Not the worst theory. I had a friend in highschool who always ran 1 degree higher. It doesn't sound like much but it caused all kinds of issues for him
Take into count that your body temp can change anytime for any reason. Our bodies are constantly changing. So as much as i like that theory, they already explained how she is immune. Her mom was bit while pregnant, Ellie was infected as an unborn baby and so the fungus intertwined with her brain and was most likely attached to her immunr system making her somewhat in control
Good job reading into those hints. I didn’t see them as clearly as you did. I will knit pick a little here and at 3:20-ish you called it a virus 😂. Just teasing over all since this whole video you had called it a fungus, but I couldnt resist! 🤣
Ergot poisoning is one known cause of mass hysteria and epidemics of it were quite common since the fungus is impervious to heat and water hence baking doesn't destroy it
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Here's the $64,000 question that no one has asked yet:
What happened to the infected that bit Eillie? In my mind I'd like to think the fungus slowly leaves the body and depending on what shape it is in will depend if you survive.
I won't be sharing any other theories cause this was my theory Paul! You chump! We'll call it parallel thinking I guess 🤔 little sad I didn't get a shoutout...BGood
When the old lady is in the background of one scene you see her daughter trying to feed her corn bread and the mother pushing it away as its put into her mouth. The infection is in the corn
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They are not sticking close to source material at all. the year is suppose to be 2033
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I’m surprised they managed to make Sarah’s death scene just as heart breaking as it was all those years ago. Nico killed it as Sarah.
@@keythekidd I think it was more heartbreaking this time
@@arcosprey4811 because them fuckers made us spend more time with her... Fucking savages.
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The other thing is that the people with twitch’s (first sign of infection) were people with comprised immune systems . The classmate with a medical bracelet, the elderly woman.
nice catch! I wondered why that kid in particular was twitching
And if he had diabetes, for example, and ate carbs (like bread made from tainted wheat) he would probably see a rapid rise and fall in glucose levels is a hindering the bodies ability to fight foreign infection.
Forced medical procedure? What ever do you mean? Can’t be getting a covid vaccine, as it was a bit 2003 in this fictional version of the world.
Aside from that, this is a video about “The Last of Us” television show.
@@claydog4377 lmao
@@claydog4377 what do you mean by that
They mentioned that the chance of being infected is much higher if you've been in the city. They also said that the neighbor had just been to the city to get her meds. In the truck, when they are talking about whether they could be infected, Joel says that they probably aren't infected because none of them have been to the city recently and while his daughter says she hasn't, she looks worried because that's where she just got his watch fixed.
Looked more like a town area that an actual city
I thought she was worried cause she was interacting a lot with the said neighbors.
I thought Joel was just trying to say things to help keep her calm and had no real idea
@@nosound5903 yea same
Sure, but the characters are just guessing and trying to calm their fears about what's happening. The flour being a vector for the infection makes a ton of sense given all the heavy clues the show gives us about the main characters unintentionally avoiding flour products. Joel even forgets to pick up a birthday cake.
It’s especially cool knowing that alongside Cordyceps in nature, there has also evolved an anti-Cordyceps parasite, that prevents Cordyceps from taking over hosts by preying on the parasitic fungus itself as it tries to take over a host. Interesting if Ellie somehow is the first human to have been infected by an evolved version of this “good” parasitic fungus. 😊
If I’m remembering correctly there has been many people with the immunity but they killed themselves before realizing, I also remember hearing that the fireflies had killed a bunch of them.
If I recall correctly though, the parasitic fungus also causes extreme immunodeficiency. Truth be told, I’d take that over getting infected with Cordyceps.
@@SirAlexanderr That young boy that they euthanized after telling him that they'd get him food and medicine and toys. What if he was immune? They immediately kill anyone as soon as they test positive. They could be killing MANY people who might he immune.
@@SirAlexanderrireflies never killed anyone actually immune, just infected people. At least in the medical facility they take Ellie to.
@@SirAlexanderr I made the same mistake. I remembered Joel's lies as if they were the truth. Ellie is the only one immune ever discovered.
X-Files had a horrifying episode based on the Cordyceps fungus. Apart of me always wonders if Neal saw that episode as a kid and was just as traumatized as I was lol
Which episode was it? I might put it on my watch lists
@@mrj4082 Season 2, Episode 9 :D
Is that the one with the silicon based fungus?
It always bothered me that in that episode Scully inadvertently but callously causes Toad's death.
[edit] Woops wrong episode. I'm thinking of S02E22, where a parasite results in an infectious agent being sprayed on anyone nearby. It's not a fungus though. Charles Martin Smith gets a face full thanks to Scully having stridently inserted herself into the circumstance. She's totally a Karen in that episode.
yeah, it's the one with the research team in the volcano who got infected from a rock that was split open to study, totally forgot bradley whitford played the lead scientist who sacrificed himself to stop the infection from spreading. loved these type of stories just as much as the alien invasion arc, it was such a shame how the revival seasons were handled, written & directed, don't think i can ever rewatch any of that, except maybe the one with the AI restaurant sending the psycho drones after mulder & skully for a positive review, at least had the old school humor & horror done right twilight zone style
Sarah’s face after the lady says it’s raisin cookies is my fave part of the first episode
Sarah: 😐
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Cool breakdown, I never would have noticed how they avoided flour products the whole episode but it's definitely laced throughout the intro.
Yeah felt so on the nose on a second watch, definitely think that’s what happened
Same! I love when directors give the audience clues to figure things out on their own instead of giving us 10 minutes of boring exposition
really doesn't make sense though. they would havebeen eating flour from the same sources in the days before and after. flour is soubiquitous that anybody not actively avoiding gluten would have eaten it before anyone would figure out that it was a source of infection. what is much more plausible than avoidingit by avoiding all flour is just avoiding it by sheer luck because, if the infection was spread by imported flour, most flour would not be contaminated.
Contaminated flour isn't so far-fetched...thecSalem Witch Hysteria was, in part, caused by the ingestion of error- contaminated rye flour.
@@Ass_of_AmalekMaybe it was the people who had health issues, we saw the grandma and the kid in the class twitching.
The most terrifying part about the last Of us was when I found out that most of the infected are still in their minds and are aware of what's happening that just as an entire new horror to the entire situation imagine being in your mind trapped inside of an infected body and not having any control over your faquaties and just force to linger around in an abandoned buithing waiting for something alive to come in and trying to eat it against your will. For years no less
I imagine the reason so many of the infected tumbles when running and not having full control of their motor capabilities is becasue deep down subconsciously the host is trying to fight hunting down people
@@WoWFtw8 Nah, the hosts have no real control at all. They're just locked out. But the cordyceps does relinquish a bit of control when it's not in attack mode. But it also doesn't relinquish much control. It essentially paralyzes their bodies to keep them from moving when they're in a dormant state, and they can only do certain things like move their eyes around, probably because of the eyes being one of the the closest things directly wired to the brain. As we saw in a trailer, they were holding a knife to ones face, the type that is already long gone and plastered to a wall to be consumed and unable to move, and he was following it with his eyes, indicating he was mentally aware, and probably following the knife to indicate he wanted to be killed to end his suffering, because that was the only movement he could control. I'd imagine after a certain point for most infected, the cordyceps consumes enough of their brain that even the cordyceps itself loses control over motor functions, and then the cordyceps just consumes them from there to grow itself, since they are no longer physically useful to spread the infection anymore, the only use for them is food. So they couldn't attack even if the cordyceps wants to. So what it tells us is that cordyceps primarily invades the brains motor function regions, but not so much the regions for thinking or memory or basic bodily functions like heart beat, because it needs those intact in order for motor functions to work and for the host to be kept alive. If it does too much damage to those areas, it wouldn't be able to utilize them to attack with. For example, a zombie with no mental processing capability (i.e. brain dead but heart still beating) would give the cordyceps nothing to work with. They need certain brain structures intact in order to process things like visuals and sound and sensation, in order to perform even basic functions like walking/running/attacking.
This trapped in your own mind zombie thing is the premise of a great (if very dark) book by Hugh Howey - I, Zombie. Recommend read!
So basically "Johnny got his gun".
Yes, that's why you can sometimes see an infected cry alone.
"Deadly infection caused by a fun guy known as Cordy Ceps"
The true villain of the story. The final boss of TLoU 3
Oh crap plot leaks
The one that put the rat king to shame 😂😂😂
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TLOU part III was cancelled due woke failure of part II
The TLOU podcast also mentioned that they put a lot of "breadcrumbs" in the first episode on what caused the infection. So there you go.
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Tommy looking for pancakes at their breakfast shows how close they all were to getting infected, great writing. You see the Addlers feed the grandmother that biscuit, as Sarah and Joel head to school and work, that was the moment the old lady was infected.
Edit: they didn’t have pancakes because joel forgot to get the pancake mix, which really ties in with how consuming his job was because he had to work on his birthday and couldn’t even get home by the time he promised Sarah.
If Joel bought pancake mix, realistically there is no chance it would have the same brand new flour that people are getting infected by. If that was the case, widespread infection would have occurred already. Whatever new flour is being sold will start infecting people the day it reaches the market shelves. Only people who buy brand new flour (not old stock) and use it right after buying it will be the initially infected, and it will then spread like a zombie virus with only a small number of original hosts. The granny next door is an original host, presumably from the brand new flour they got and used in the morning.
Since people started getting infected mid-day, it's easy to then assume the flour was initially stocked the previous mid-day, and took at least 16 hours to infect people.
And this has to be one of the first cities to be stocked with the new flour for public consumption, as there clearly isn't a widespread outbreak in America before this day. One possibility is that nobody realizes it is the flour that is infecting people, and people all around the world don't know what to avoid until it is too late. Possibly even contact with the flour could lead to infection, but likely at a much slower pace than eating it.
What?
I also think the fungi only infected people with weaker immune systems this way, the show points out the kid with the medical bracelet and the grandma twitching pointedly, then, they could spread it to healthy people via bites.
Wheat flour? Zombie Insects in the wheat field?
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I’m seriously impressed Paul! Catching the link to the fungi, Jakarta, and the central characters not eating bread and wheat products … that’s genius!
@@Ter-Lee I wouldn't exactly call you a Fun Guy, Mr. Comedy.
@@Ter-Lee I can't wait to watch your standup funny guy!
Bro I been screaming about to to everyone who I know watching the show and they just shoot me a dead look lol
@@Ter-Lee have you ever tried not being an annoying ass?
Genius or...reads RUclips comments and viral Reddit post.
Cmon Paul, we all know you're the real Fungi.
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"Okay guys, who in the loving god released the Contaminated Modified Cordyceps in our front row?"
"I dont know, ask Paul."
"Definetly Paul."
He really grows on ya.
I see what you did there 😏
Seems pretty down to earth at yeast.
Sarah's silent disgusted face at the oatmeal cookies had me wheezing of laughter.
Same! 😂 She’s just like… “Oh… 😐”
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Seeing the grandma behind Joel’s daughter freak out while she grabbed the movie was creepy
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In real life Cordyceps is mostly found in Asia. The genus has a worldwide distribution and most of the approximately 600 species[3] that have been described are from Asia (notably Nepal, China, Japan, Bhutan, Korea, Vietnam, and Thailand). Cordyceps species are particularly abundant and diverse in humid temperate and tropical jungles. So it makes sense for the outbreak to start in Indonesia.
Apparently, they don't want it spreading by spores in the TV show because they don't want to cover the actor's faces with gas masks (despite the fact Pedro Pascal has shown he can act with his face fully covered). So it makes sense that they change the initial infection happening due to spores to happening due via ingestion like ergot. (Real-life Cordyceps spreads to insects via spores and unlike ergot and other poison fungi Cordyceps is edible by people and actually has health benefits).
The scientist in 60s talks about ergot and other poisonous fungi that cause hallucination, hinting that this fictional cordyceps is like ergot (makes you sick via ingestion) so it makes sense that the original outbreak was spread by bread. The scientist also mentioned human immune systems being able to fight infections (notably fever). This is silly if you think about it since real-life cordyceps are from the jungle and jungles are hot and real-life fungi like coccidioidomycosis (Valley Fever) can infect people just fine. But suspending our disbelief, it makes sense that the first person we see infected is an old woman. Maybe many people ate contaminated wheat but only those with weaker immune systems became infected that way, but they in turn can infect more people through bites which might have a higher risk of infection?
I guess it would be trickier for th speech and the mics picking it up if they had masks on maybe? (I don’t know tho)
and just as you would expect, caterpillars infected with cordyceps sinensis are one of the most expensive quack cures in traditional chinese medicine! xD
Such a dumbass excuse
@@Dylbz-ne8st nope it's all about who and wanting to show off actors faces more which is dumb as fuck and that logic led to the Halo show having master Chief without a helmet for 90 percent of it
The masks aren't the only reason they didn't use airborne spores. They said it actually doesnt make sense that people survived so long if it was spread by spores. They said they wanted to make it more plausible and if it was spread by spores going airborne, honestly everyone would have been infected.
I always see John Hannah (the scientist who explained the fungi) as Quintis Lentulus Batiatus from Spartacus series.
Yes or the brother in the mummy
Or one of the guys in Four Weddings and a Funeral.
You mean Evie’s brother from The Mummy hahah. (But yeah he was awesome in Spartacus).
Right? I just rewatched the whole series last week, it was soo good
@@piphead That's what he is to me, the goofy brother 😂😂
There was also a line said right before Joel talked about being on Adkins where the older male neighbor offered Sarah some leftover biscuits which would further your argument/claim.
Not his claim. We told him about it in his previous videos in the comments. It's fact. Not an arguement. Joel later tells Ellie about it.
@@Ter-Lee dude chill out... did you make a video about it? no.
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The opening of the first episode gave me I am legend vibes. Thanks for this breakdown and comparisons on how the virus spread.
Fungus*
The bread products was good catch. I totally missed it because I was focused on dreading what was coming and gripping my tissues ;-p
He didn't catch it though. He read our comments in his previous videos explaining the tainted wheat/flour and how they barely missed getting infected.
It just broke me that “Mercy” (the dog) came to Sarah, but she wasn’t spared. (Of course she wouldn’t, I just think the dog’s name was a sadistic joke on the part of the writers 😅)
Wasn’t spared wtf are you talking about? The dog lived and ran into the darkness
He's referring to Sarah she found Mercy who then left her
It fits because the neighbors are very religious. But yeah. Mercy ran out on them... pretty poetic.
@@ethanschlong8057 Mercy ran away from Sarah. What that denotes is Sarah got no mercy later on as she died
Z Nation call out.
I found a slight editing mistake that I haven’t heard anyone mention: Sarah’s teacher says “your homework is due after class tomorrow”, but then later Tommy doesn’t want to be in jail “all weekend” because it was Friday. There wouldn’t be school the next day
Good spot!
Maybe they have lessons on Saturdays too?
To be fair, I’ve had plenty of teachers forget it was Friday.
I’ve had plenty of homework assignments due on Saturday
@@ghurcbghurcb nah it’s probably just a mistake
It's funny that people put more effort into understanding how a fictional pandemic started than a real one.
Yeah 🙄 maybe they will start researching vivid now at least
There's no obfuscation, lying, and denial involved in the fake one though.
You don't even believe covid is real.
I'm pretty sure it has to do with the flour , by most people avoiding eating it as joel, his brother and Sarah, its a really neat detail !
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This is for sure my new favorite series!
Why did they make Ellie look as if she has borderline down-syndrome tho?
@@pizzapizza1460 idk, just the way she looks. 🤷♂️
But honestly, it’s 2023, you should be happy that they didn’t cast her as a dude from another race. (And before anyone calls me racist, I’m not. I just think that some roles require certain fits. You wouldn’t cast Lizzo as Elton John in “Rocketman”, you wouldn’t cast The Rock as one of “Charlie’s Angels”, and you wouldn’t star Tom Hanks as a main character in “Crazy Rich Asians”. And sadly enough, this is exactly the type of crap they’ve been doing to our entertainment.)
@@bryanfukingfox brother this comment is so unhinged
@@bryanfukingfox see I wouldn’t call u racist but then u start naming black people like we the only other race 😭but I agree some characters shouldn’t be changed
Good analysis on the food theory. I think that is very likely the source of the infection. Who was patient zero? And I wonder if food is still tainted 20 years later or it is just spreading due to the sheer volume of infected.
It would be almost impossible to find a patient zero because of how fast it spread. Because it being food related, everyone got infected at once
I don't think the food is infected everywhere, we saw Ellie eat a sandwich and I know she's immune but I can't imagine they'd be still making bread if all the flour was guaranteed to give you the virua
They could have eaten flour products before, was it really only on this day that the infection was contained in food? It also mentioned that those who were in the city could get infected, but Joel was at work and Sarah was at school where one of her classmates might have been infected (the boy whose arm was shaking). In general, it is not entirely clear, but thanks for the explanation.
Could be a certain brand of flour. Remember Romain lettuce with e coli a few years ago. You couldn't order food with it from some places, but others could, since they used different vendors.
@@EggEnjoyer yea that and everyones body works differently. Higher and lower immune systems and tolerances. Also this was 2003. No social media and world governments eager to suppress the media and information.
You'll recall the Arabic shopkeepers were in on the know because of their family in the M.E. You'll also recall how the lady politely decided to omit the details of why she was kicking Sarah out. And Joel and Tommy just told their neighbors to stay inside, not that shit was going down and to run.
So while it seems like everything is happening everywhere all at once, theres a good chance that this took time to build up over days and what we saw on the 26th was just the breaking point.
I think the bigger sign was....the people who are closest to turning......have no appetite. They stop eating food while infected has complete control of you brain and body and has no need for food. It's feeding off your body.
Aside from logistical reasons- like Joel being on Atkins would have him avoid wheat products regularly- it is just the way of conveying the idea through the medium. The writers said they were leaving breadcrumbs (rimshot). Could be that not all wheat product was infected and they could have easily had pancakes and been fine, but then it wouldn’t hint at the underlying causes.
I think it was coffee and chocolate beans
Loving the series so far!
Why did they make Ellie look as if she has borderline down-syndrome tho?
They did a good job with Sarahs last scene. You knew it was coming but it still gets to you.
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You ALWAYS bring fresh, smart insights that we don't see anywhere else! Thanks!
Not his insight. We told him about the flour and stuff in his previous videos in the comments.
Thanks Paul. This was a great and informative video. Actually blew my mind
Thank you
One of the writers did say look to the food crumbs. Then the actors Adkins diet which is a diet without flour. So I’m betting you’re 1000% right on this.
What's amusing to me is there a a million zombie shows that I don't watch, but I find this one very engaging and terrifying. I assume it's because of the fungi angle.
The characters are also just really good and, particularly in the show, well-acted.
I was wondering how people could become infected without being bitten and no spores. Nailed it!
This was such a good video!!! The story about a similar outbreak in real life was amazing! I had no idea. Added a whole new dimension to the story.
And made it scarier...
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Yeah, I noticed the heavy emphasis on them not eating the cookies, too. Definitely a good candidate for the source of the infection.
the scientist is the actor who played jonathan in the mummy 1999,his most memorable scene for me was when he treid to pretend he was among the infected and chant "Imhotep" lol.
he's played a lot of roles. good actor, but hard to see him as a world renowned scientist after he played such a dumb shit in the mummy. lol.
@@Dreadpirateflappy That's what i love about John Hannah The Most His Characters are Believable and hard to believe that is the same actor 😄
The fear of the doctor in the back of the car was played brilliantly. ‘Did I do something wrong?’
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Watching this after episode two really proves just how well crafted your analysis is. I won't mention any specific details just in case anybody's really worried about any spoilers.
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I'm genuinely impressed. This is your best video ever. Insanely detailed logic.
Excellent analysis! Impressive! Makes me suspect every bakery item I see now!
Can’t trust Greggs
Wow so informative!! So much more than basic RUclips entertainment. You’ve gotta be one of the best channels on RUclips bro!!
This was a good video! Can’t wait to see more The Last of Us breakdowns.
The infection in TLOU gave me nightmares back in 2013 -15 but then i thought I'll probably be dead by the time the fungus gets to that point
Series is 🔥. Definitely agree with the flour/bread theory.
Why did they make Ellie look as if she has borderline down-syndrome tho?
It's not a theory or his theory. It's fact and Joel later tells Ellie the same thing. We also told Heavy Spoilers about it in his previous videos in the comments that he ripped off of.
The flour theory makes sense until you notice that for that to happen the fungus would've to mutate to resist oven temperatures(bread and cookies must be cooked), at the beginning of the series they talk about a posible mutation that would allow the fungust tu survive the global warming , but that would be like a 5°F-10°F, this would also allowed them to live inside the human body 98,6°F.
But from not being able to resist more than 94°F to resist more than 350°F thats a huuuuge jump.
You went so in-depth with the history. Me and my cousin watched this and we don’t want to eat now. No carbs! Lol.
Had the drop it at lunch time lol
Eggs will likely be contaminated by fungi and other bacteria, also other meats, soy, water, plant foods may be contaminated
One can sanitize wheat by freeze/thaw/freeze in freezer for certain parasites/fungi and of course X-ray irradiate…yet takes time and resources.
Love the Dark Place bit, but hate when people call any infection a 'virus'
Wow, I love the deep dive into the source of the infection! Great video.
Awesome breakdown! Adding elements that makes it more believable and likely to happen in the future makes me more invested on this adaptation. :)
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In the last of us podcast, it was definitely insinuated that there are going to be some big twist explanations from this episode later and I think you hit it right on!
There’s a podcast? Is it on Spotify?
@@AodhanBeag yes, that's where I listened to it.
I loved this video paul
Darkplace has to be my favorite surrealist comedy. The full series is on RUclips it's a treat
I never really thought about it but in episode 2 they mentioned the infection began in a wheat and grain factory. And the old lady in episode 1 was eating biscuits and got infected. And Joel, Sarah, and tommy were all supposed to have pancakes for breakfast. It’s possible had they eaten pancakes the flour in the mix could have the contaminants in it.
I hope they expand on more stuff like Joel's PTSD, that's a great change with a lot of possibilities to explore.
Same here. That moment where he had a flashback was so well done. I'm literally thinking of watching it again just because of how amazing the episode was!
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@Heavyspoilers The creator said that the whole show is gonna have a lot of hints and connective tissue. To the story as a whole. Should be fun for a lot of channels.
It would be interesting if they explain it out in the show/series. I like the theory about the flour being contaminated and you might just be on to it since they seemed to purposely avoid food in the episode. Im just going to have to watch it again ;)
That is a good catch! With the bread and granny transforming. Good theory
Bro was spot on about Indonesia
Seriously this link is genius and how u caught it is brilliant! The only channel I watch for show reviews & theories
I love the series so far, and the theories you've thrown in here make it even creepier... In a century or two, will the planet just be a ball of fungi?
That was a great video mate I’ve just subscribed! Really interesting content
I saw that flour was carrying spurs. That explains why the old lady became infected with the biscuits
When sara turned I was worried the old lady might get infected fully and get up from her wheelchair and attack her
A similar fungal infection affected a large quantity of cocoa beans in 2019 I think, as such it affected chocolate supply for a while and Cordycepts is more likely to come into contact with cocoa and coffee beans anyway and would affect a huge number of people
there was an internet story of a guy who injected himself with shrooms - left him with a whole bunch of spore constantly growing in his blood - they have meds to keep him alive - but he must take a lot of them
"That's what I heard on the road, anyhow. Take it for what it is." - Bodhan Feddic
Wtf you are right
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The pancakes!! Sarah asks Joel if they have pancake mix and he says no. In the second episode we find out the first known incident in Jakarta is at a flour factory and the scientist says it was the perfect substrate for the fungus. 🤯
Really cool to see details pointed out that would have otherwise gone over my head! Also, I was not expecting a Darkplace comparison to be thrown in there, but I thoroughly enjoyed it 🤣 👌🏼
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Ergot DEFINITELY brought on insanity. It's a hallucinogen.
Ergot-contaminated rye flour fueled the Salem Witch Hysteria.
I can’t wait for episode 2 thanks for the update Paul
I think you are right about how the people get infected, is a big good explanation how everyone around the world get infected so quickly. I cant believe how a fungus can infect food so quickly and the worst thing is that no one notice because when you look at the food it looks normal without knowing that they are tiny micro organisms of cordycep in the flour or other things.
The flour is ground up, so it's likely sparse enough to keep any greater fungus bodies from forming, leading to only microscopic pieces developed. And also likely was already on the flour itself, rather than a contamination at the factory. And most farming is automated, where the farmer just drives a machine through a field, and it's also often ground up as it's harvested, and then just processed finer at the factory. So there could have easily been small but visible cordyceps on the grain, but went unnoticed, which were then just ground up into the flour, becoming indistinguishable from the flour.
dont forget the biscuits they were force feeding grandma
Wouldn't the heat from cooking destroy the cordyceps fungus?
The point about the bread and cereal etc was genius. Would not be surprised at all if that is very deliberate.
Unexpected Garth Marenghi is the best Garth Marenghi. 😂
Personally, I'm waiting for " Not my fault! Monkey bastard hands!".
Loooooooool
Super stoked for the next episode!
Good thing they couldnt find the pancake batter that morning also if this is the case!
I like how the cookies containing yeast got the neighbors, and penicillin etc got those in and around the hospital.
I think it was hinted that the daughter was infected.
Fantastic Episode 🔥🔥
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This show is gonna be reaaaaally contagious
Why did they make Ellie look as if she has borderline down-syndrome tho?
Not me eating toast while watching this
well, as an indonesian, we're not producing a lot bread because we eat rice. All bread's flour are imported
instead consume indomie, gorengan, batagor siomay, etc that includes flour. And yeah, we exports Indomie overseas
@@jochananergantheo9109 yeah, indomie is the cordycheps to rule the world
I assume they are implying that the mill workers got infected by inhaling flour dust and/or handling flour
Brilliant first ep, played both games a lot… looking forward to meeting Bill in it
jesus fuck people are going to start asking for gluten free dough again at my pizza shop
In episode 3 Joel said it was speculated that it was in the food supply (flour) and I would say that the grandma who turned into a runner from that but I think it’s cus they went into the city earlier with her
It's a good thing that we don't have to worry about Joel ever dying throughout this entire series. WHEW WHAT A RELIEF!
Bread and flour factory, Indonesia, all right for the episode that just aired
Indonesia cant grow wheat due to its climate yet the instant noodle and bread industries are massive there.
Me who works at a bakery: 💀
Its not a coincidence that 10/10 SARS variants come from industrial breed birds - Due to selective breeding and forced antibiotics we have created bird species with lower immune defenses and in combination with overcrowded housing the entire process becomes a breeding ground for dangerous microbiology.
All it takes is for one, just one, of these sars variants to mutate a gene we have no defense against and its byebye.
With the explanation at the start… what if Ellie’s immunity is just a slightly higher body temp as a result of the fungus mutation?
Not the worst theory. I had a friend in highschool who always ran 1 degree higher. It doesn't sound like much but it caused all kinds of issues for him
That would literally destroy your brain cells
@@jeambeam3173 may help to think of this in a fictional manner… non-literally, the way things go in video games unbound from reality. Just a thought
That may explains the immunity being built differently. The intimate moment with Riley may also raise the body temperature
Take into count that your body temp can change anytime for any reason. Our bodies are constantly changing. So as much as i like that theory, they already explained how she is immune. Her mom was bit while pregnant, Ellie was infected as an unborn baby and so the fungus intertwined with her brain and was most likely attached to her immunr system making her somewhat in control
Good job reading into those hints. I didn’t see them as clearly as you did. I will knit pick a little here and at 3:20-ish you called it a virus 😂. Just teasing over all since this whole video you had called it a fungus, but I couldnt resist! 🤣
Ergot poisoning is one known cause of mass hysteria and epidemics of it were quite common since the fungus is impervious to heat and water hence baking doesn't destroy it
There’s a theory that Ergot poisoning was behind the witch trials in Salem.
No personal theories I just appreciate how the show let the story unfold. It good to see Sarah and her back story with the watch and the neighbors.
A great moment to have celiac disease and maintain a strict gluten free diet.
On the the best video games I ever played from a story & gameplay 10/10 now the show is freaking amazing as well.
All the gluten free people gloating right now
Looooool
This is a great video...no one has mentioned this yet on YT!
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