FLASE??? LOL. Moire is fun and beautiful. REmove moire is false. If you say moire is false, is like rainbow and prism fx in the nature is false.... PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFffffffffffffff
Thank You, Richard!!! Yes, this was VERY helpful, and the 4-minute running time is just PERFECT for this format. (I absolutely HATE videos where there is only 2-minutes of worthwhile information but they stretch it out to over 10-minutes to maximize advertising.
Thanks Marin Real Estate Photography! Yes while a lot of my videos are quite long, I would NEVER stretch out or add filler just to get more ads. I am actually always thinking how i can make my contents shorters and trim out any "fat" that is not needed, but in a way that the video still can flow nicely and with proper start/end. For this video, i feel maybe i could even cut down the intro talking bit a bit more, but at the same time, i would like to do a bit of background explaination for people who don't know what moire/false colour is so the rest of the video make sense.
@@TheRealRichardWong As for your review videos, I don't think you need to shorten them. I think you do a very good job of going in-depth with your camera and lens reviews. I find them very helpful.
Many Pentax cameras not only support Pixel Shift, but also moiré suppression via a built-in Bayer-AA filter simulation. They use the in-body image stabilisation to very slightly shake the sensor in order to simulate the Bayer-AA filter "blur". This way, one can avoid moiré without having to take multiple images and without having to use software that is capable of processing Pixel Shift files. Capture One, for instance, does not provide any Pixel Shift support and last time I looked, Lightroom did not support motion (e.g., from a waterfall) in Pixel Shift images.
Oh yes the Pentax has the excellent AA filter simulator mode which I want to see on more cameras in the future!! The Panasonic cameras create all those high res RAW/JPG photos in camera, no matter which "motion blur processing" mode you choose. So doesn't need special software to process it.
Thank you mr Wong, you are a great contributer to our camera use. So if i want to get rid of moire in video i can use the diffusion 1/8 filter of freewell???
what about low density diffusion filters as a solution for video? it kills me that only expensive S1H has AA filter, i don't need that much sharpness even for photo
My understanding is that camera sensor's low pass filter's technical design is a bit different from a typcial diffuse filter, but fundamentally they are doing the same thing so yes i believe that would work as a workaround
QUESTION: Is there any we can do to reduce moire when shooting VIDEO??? My concern would be the moirie one sees in clothing with very fine patterns, so mostly in documentary or corporate video situations. Would using some sort of diffusion work? (Like a tiffen promist or some other filter?) Does stopping down work? Shooting at 6K and then down-resolution to 4K in post???
A proper downsample from high res (i.e. not pixel skipping) would help. Adding mist filter or soften the original image like stop down the lens a lot would help too but that is not really the best way to get best result. That's why Panasonic add low pass filter to the S1H while the more photo oriented but same resolution S1, S5 don't have the low pass filter
Thank you Richard, excellent video - I learnt a lot, I didn't realise you could achieve this with the hires mode on my S5! Out of interest, if you can't use the hires mode because of a moving subject is there a filter that you can add to the front of the lens to improve the image? Thanks
hello @007silverwings Thanks glad you like the video. Yes there are a few things you can do, add a slightly soft filter like soft black mist filter, or shoot at a small aperture like f/16 or f/22 would help soften the image and avoid moire and false colours.
@@TheRealRichardWong Where can I purchase a Richard Wong branded soft filter in this situation? Send me a link and I'll buy one--really! Thanks for the quality reviews, Richard. 👍
Kia Ora! Removing moire from video is always tricky. There are tutorials on youtube from other channel that shows you some tricks on how to reduce the amount of moire in the video, so depending on what editing software yo use, search the tutorial for your editing software. If you don't want to do that, one other trick is use a black mist filter to lower the sharpness of the video. (in expense of lower sharpness as well)
To be fair, most new cameras do not have lowpass filter. And as the resolution of the camera sensor goes higher, less and less camera would have that as the chance of having moire and false colour would be smaller. Panasonic did add the lowpass filter to the S1H even it is same resolution as the S1/S5 as it is a lot harder to remove moire from video
Not really, once you go past 16mp the argument for having a lowpass filter drastically lessens. In fact the higher the MP the more a lowpass filter becomes a disadvantage. For stills anyway.
@@TheRealRichardWong I tried reducing sharpness to - 5 level but still moire is there although reduced. I tried aperture 1.4 also but still it comes as my face is in line with the body and there is no difference in depth of field. can you specify which particular black mist filter should i use ?
You should try to reduce sharpness before the image reach the sensor. so reduce the sharpness setting on the camera is not the most effective way to do that. By small aperture, i mean something like f/16, or f/22 so you use diffraction to lower the sharpneess. Black mist filter, any of them would be, even the lowest strength one should still be ok!
The A7IV also doesn't have low pass filter, so potentially it should still have the same issue. But for video, camera like S5/S5II/A7IV would do super-sampling in a lot of modes, which would have minimise moire effect.
@@TheRealRichardWong I guess I just haven’t seen as many people complain about it on the Sony rather than the s5 or s5 ii. This video was helpful regardless. I’m just looking for the best 10 bit full frame option, and I already have the zve10. Basically I will have issue unless I get an EVA1 or an FX6 or C70 i guess
Most of my vidoes are 10-20 minutes long. But i hope a short video like this is helpful and still interesting?
the shorter the better, provided all important things are in it - thanks for your efforts! Berlin regards from a S5 buyer:)
FLASE??? LOL. Moire is fun and beautiful. REmove moire is false. If you say moire is false, is like rainbow and prism fx in the nature is false.... PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFffffffffffffff
yes I like shorter videos better!
Thank You, Richard!!! Yes, this was VERY helpful, and the 4-minute running time is just PERFECT for this format. (I absolutely HATE videos where there is only 2-minutes of worthwhile information but they stretch it out to over 10-minutes to maximize advertising.
Thanks Marin Real Estate Photography! Yes while a lot of my videos are quite long, I would NEVER stretch out or add filler just to get more ads. I am actually always thinking how i can make my contents shorters and trim out any "fat" that is not needed, but in a way that the video still can flow nicely and with proper start/end.
For this video, i feel maybe i could even cut down the intro talking bit a bit more, but at the same time, i would like to do a bit of background explaination for people who don't know what moire/false colour is so the rest of the video make sense.
@@TheRealRichardWong As for your review videos, I don't think you need to shorten them. I think you do a very good job of going in-depth with your camera and lens reviews. I find them very helpful.
@@marin_real_estate_photography Thank you very much :)
Many Pentax cameras not only support Pixel Shift, but also moiré suppression via a built-in Bayer-AA filter simulation. They use the in-body image stabilisation to very slightly shake the sensor in order to simulate the Bayer-AA filter "blur". This way, one can avoid moiré without having to take multiple images and without having to use software that is capable of processing Pixel Shift files. Capture One, for instance, does not provide any Pixel Shift support and last time I looked, Lightroom did not support motion (e.g., from a waterfall) in Pixel Shift images.
Oh yes the Pentax has the excellent AA filter simulator mode which I want to see on more cameras in the future!!
The Panasonic cameras create all those high res RAW/JPG photos in camera, no matter which "motion blur processing" mode you choose. So doesn't need special software to process it.
Thank you mr Wong, you are a great contributer to our camera use.
So if i want to get rid of moire in video i can use the diffusion 1/8 filter of freewell???
what about low density diffusion filters as a solution for video? it kills me that only expensive S1H has AA filter, i don't need that much sharpness even for photo
My understanding is that camera sensor's low pass filter's technical design is a bit different from a typcial diffuse filter, but fundamentally they are doing the same thing so yes i believe that would work as a workaround
@@TheRealRichardWong thanks!
QUESTION: Is there any we can do to reduce moire when shooting VIDEO??? My concern would be the moirie one sees in clothing with very fine patterns, so mostly in documentary or corporate video situations. Would using some sort of diffusion work? (Like a tiffen promist or some other filter?) Does stopping down work? Shooting at 6K and then down-resolution to 4K in post???
A proper downsample from high res (i.e. not pixel skipping) would help. Adding mist filter or soften the original image like stop down the lens a lot would help too but that is not really the best way to get best result. That's why Panasonic add low pass filter to the S1H while the more photo oriented but same resolution S1, S5 don't have the low pass filter
The Panasonic s5ii is suppose to be video oriented but it doesn’t have a low-pass filter as well!😕
Is this only if your subject is absolutely still? This is fantastic information Outstanding job!!!!!
How bout video on lumix cameras?Thank You
you would need either a camrea with a low pass filter like the S1H, or try add a weak diffuse filter to soften up the image a bit.
@@TheRealRichardWong Yessir. Thank You
I wonder if there is no way of adding an OLPF in front of the lens.?? Your way works only for photos not for viceo?😊
A weak diffuse filter may work in very similar way.
Thank you Richard, excellent video - I learnt a lot, I didn't realise you could achieve this with the hires mode on my S5! Out of interest, if you can't use the hires mode because of a moving subject is there a filter that you can add to the front of the lens to improve the image? Thanks
hello @007silverwings Thanks glad you like the video. Yes there are a few things you can do, add a slightly soft filter like soft black mist filter, or shoot at a small aperture like f/16 or f/22 would help soften the image and avoid moire and false colours.
@@TheRealRichardWong thanks for the tips! Please keep your great content coming 👍🏻
@@TheRealRichardWong Where can I purchase a Richard Wong branded soft filter in this situation? Send me a link and I'll buy one--really! Thanks for the quality reviews, Richard. 👍
Haha one day!
Kia Ora, may I ask about some suggestions on removing moire from video on the S5 or S1H?
Kia Ora! Removing moire from video is always tricky. There are tutorials on youtube from other channel that shows you some tricks on how to reduce the amount of moire in the video, so depending on what editing software yo use, search the tutorial for your editing software.
If you don't want to do that, one other trick is use a black mist filter to lower the sharpness of the video. (in expense of lower sharpness as well)
How do you do this with video filming vs. taking a photo?
Video filming unfortunately you can't use the hi res mode to help. But you can use a weak black mist or diffuse filter to avoid the issue
@@TheRealRichardWong This only works occasionally. Not cool that you should state it like if it was some truth.
it is possible pu a low pass filter in camera like Lumix s5? thanks
Hey Vitor,no, not that I'm aware of!
I just watched a video about a company that will do this!
Thank You, Richard~
Thank you for watching :)
Moiré? My X-Trans Fuji cameras are not sure what that means ;-)
haha cheeky comment of the day
@@TheRealRichardWonglove my Fuji cameras! Every camera has their strengths. Seems like cameras with OLPF have a softer image. That’s my preference
How can we eliminate moire in video?
quite hard in post. But you can add a weak black mist filter for example
I wish, Panasonic would add a lowpass filter to everey new camera.
It's just stupid not to.
To be fair, most new cameras do not have lowpass filter. And as the resolution of the camera sensor goes higher, less and less camera would have that as the chance of having moire and false colour would be smaller. Panasonic did add the lowpass filter to the S1H even it is same resolution as the S1/S5 as it is a lot harder to remove moire from video
Not really, once you go past 16mp the argument for having a lowpass filter drastically lessens. In fact the higher the MP the more a lowpass filter becomes a disadvantage. For stills anyway.
Is there any technique to avoid this in video ?
You can try shoot at a small aperture or use a black mist filter. Basically try to lower the shaprness a bit
@@TheRealRichardWong I tried reducing sharpness to - 5 level but still moire is there although reduced. I tried aperture 1.4 also but still it comes as my face is in line with the body and there is no difference in depth of field. can you specify which particular black mist filter should i use ?
You should try to reduce sharpness before the image reach the sensor. so reduce the sharpness setting on the camera is not the most effective way to do that. By small aperture, i mean something like f/16, or f/22 so you use diffraction to lower the sharpneess.
Black mist filter, any of them would be, even the lowest strength one should still be ok!
can you do this in video???
No unfortunately not, for video, getting a low strength diffuse filter maybe the easiest solution
@@TheRealRichardWong Thanku for the reply. This is making me rethink the s5, the Sony a7IV doesn’t seem to suffer this issue
The A7IV also doesn't have low pass filter, so potentially it should still have the same issue. But for video, camera like S5/S5II/A7IV would do super-sampling in a lot of modes, which would have minimise moire effect.
@@TheRealRichardWong I guess I just haven’t seen as many people complain about it on the Sony rather than the s5 or s5 ii.
This video was helpful regardless. I’m just looking for the best 10 bit full frame option, and I already have the zve10.
Basically I will have issue unless I get an EVA1 or an FX6 or C70 i guess
Moire is mostly a wedding thing. You cant take high-res shots during portraits.
Thank you !!
You're welcome! :)
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