@@dustinsindledecker154 Yes your right, they did play at Nets home arena, but we all know that wasn't a true home arena for the Islanders. Those TWO years they played their was dreadful. BROOKLYN is not a HOCKEY TOWN.
@@dustinsindledecker154 Barclay's wasn't a suitable hockey arena? I have to disagree with you here, it's not the arena it's BROOKLYN!!! Brooklyn and Hockey don't mix?
Islanders NEVER shared Madison Square Garden. Played foe over 40 years in Nassau Coliseum some of those years sharing with the New York Nets. Then they shared the Barclay Center with the Brooklyn Nets.
The Commentator on this video, regularly makes these errors. Plus I would not be shocked he has never been to NYC. Amazing how people make these RUclips videos and comments on cities especially in this case, sports stadiums from across America and beyond and yet think they are “experts.” I would appreciate if Ginger would comment if he has even been to any of these sports venues. Just saying.
@americangiant that's why it annoys me when they call the Islanders a New York team. For me,if you've never played in,or until you play in the 5 boroughs,you're not a New York team,the same way you're not a New Yorker if you're not from one of the 5 boroughs
The new Bills stadium is going to be called Highmark Stadium. Highmark decided to extend the naming rights and will keep the same name. The existing Highmark Stadium will be torn down to make way for parking. Also, the Bills are looking to create a stadium district similar to Patriot Place or The Battery in Atlanta. The Islanders never shared Madison Square Garden with the Rangers. They did share the Barclays Center for a few years with the Nets.
Yup. If now Ex New York Governor Andrew Cuomo did not get involved (he is also a Long Island native I believe)in helping to build the now USB/Belmont Park Arena, the Islanders would have left the NYC metro region for good. Ps USB/Belmont Park is the perfect location for the Islanders for at least hopefully 30 years minimum (maybe more) for a variety of reasons. 1)Right on the NYC/Long Island Border so fans in both the NYC boros and most of Nassau and Suffolk Counties can attend. 2)Unlike the old Coliseum, this current one is right on a major Long Island Railroad Station with access to both Brooklyn/Manhattan and most of the Island. Helpful for those without any personal car/vehicle.
Speak for yourself Jr. Nobody wants to sit in cold and rain. Iv been to a ton of domes and they are far better fan experience by far! Guaranteed to be warm
@@JH-tg3qg I am speaking on behalf of all true baseball fans. Yankees and their true fans would never go for it as wouldn't the Red Sox and their fans. Some people are baseball fans others are pussified baseball fans.
That's what I'm saying... Like who the fuck wants a roof on Citi field? I can't talk for Yankee stadium but I'm a die hard Mets fan. Never once heard this brought up
I’m a Mets fan, and you’re right there’s absolutely no way they would build a roof Besides a financial standpoint, it would completely destroy the atomsphere of the stadium. The planes flying overhead, walking across a outdoor bridge. A dome would just wreck the ballpark’s experience
As a Mets fan, my problem with Citifield is that it's a bowl stadium you can plunk down in Nebraska. At least with new Yankee Stadium you can see the Bronx tenements beyond the outfield that give it a New York vibe.
12:35 the Islanders never played home games at MSG. Their original home is the Nassau Coliseum on Long Island (further east from UBS), and they also played at Barclays Center.
4:07 Hudson Yards was built on the plot of land this stadium was proposed for. Where else could the Jets possibly build something this large in Manhattan?
I do agree that a retractable roof for Citi Fleld or Yankee Stadium seems like a long shot. I wonder if it may be more feasible to cover either of those with a translucent roof. It would still be expensive as hell but would not require as much additional support structure to hold the roof up. That way you get the coverage of having a roof but the benefit of allowing natural light in. I still think it's unlikely though.
Agreed But a roof of any kind would eliminate rainouts / weather issues. It would no longer be an inconvenience. It was absurd that they didn’t work out some kind of roof on both Citi Field and the new Yankee Stadium, even if a roof would’ve been more costly I think both teams would’ve had the money for it.
The remodeled MSG is OK except if you sit in the upper half of the 200 level. The 400 level overhangs and you can't see the half of the scoreboard or the retired jerseys (or the roof). It makes you feel you're watching the game through the door of another room.
@@Jtcooleditz I grew up in NYC and now live in CT, and have been to the Garden many, many times before the renovation. I was anxious to see it and brought my wife and my best friend. We've seen hockey elsewhere but we're all Rangers fans and they wanted to see MSG. After the game they both told me not to bring them to MSG again. It was very unusual but I don't blame them. If we were lower down in the 200 section it might have been different.
Whoa whoa whoa whoa. Old Yankee Stadium after its renovation was anything but a dump. Before that, it was in desperate need of repairs and renovations. That added decades to its lifespan. What in the world are you even talking about man?
Also, the Islanders have never played at MSG as the home team. That's the Rangers you're thinking of. While they did play at Barclays for a little bit, they stopped doing that by 2020. They played their remaining games at the Nassau Coliseum, which was their home for ages before moving to Brooklyn to begin with.
The Islanders never played at MSG. They played at the Nassau Coliseum, then moved to Barclays, moved back to the Nassau Coliseum then finally the UBS Arena. Also if you look at the calendar the Yankees had 1 home rain out all season in 2023. The other postponed game was June 7th due to the Canadian wildfires, so a roof would not have made a difference. So a roof really is not justified.
If the Mets and Yankees ever did a dome, they would build a brand new stadium. They won’t put one on it. FACT. And MSG, not going to get a facelift. They just did one few years ago. Jets and giants are not going anywhere. Jets aren’t going into NYC. MetLife stadium isn’t that bad. Go to a game and I bet you will like it cause it gets that packed and gets very loud
I agree with many of these points but from a Jets fan here, Giants Stadium was 1000000x better than MetLife. Experience with the fans and Fireman Ed is amazing but the stadium is not
I’m from New York and a Mets fan. I love Ginger’s vids and watch most of them, but I’d appreciate him actually visiting the stadiums and talking about the experiences. For example, the vibe around Shea Bridge is really great at Citi Field and really plays positively into the experience, as well as the kickass pro-shops there. Also, I’ve been to most of the stadiums in the MLB, and Citi, hands-down, has the best food out of all the stadiums I’ve been to. Maybe Oracle Park has a little competition, but I still think Citi takes the cake. Literally. So, I’d really appreciate a more comprehensive experience of stadiums rather than the aesthetic. That said, Ginger, I love your videos, and keep ‘em coming!
Shea Bridge is definitely cool. Also you're right about the food at Citi Field being among the best. Also in the parking lot, you can see where the original bases and home plate were from the old Shea Stadium.
Hudson Yards now stands where the proposed Jets stadium (aka West Side Stadium) was set to be built, so they'd have to build elsewhere now -- maybe next to Citi Field.
I drove by Yankees stadium a few weeks ago. I've only seen it on TV. I was absolutely shocked by the parking lot around the thing. So disappointing. I thought it was like Fenway or Wrigley.
As somebody who lives in Syracuse, I can tell you the amount of natural light we get here is pretty nonexistent. Syracuse, I believe, is ranked dead last in the US for amount of annual sunlight... which is also why we are the Multiple Sclerosis and snow capitol of the country. Lucky us. So no matter what SU did, the chance of getting natural light is near impossible. While we are at it, since you've brushed on Syracuse, I would love to hear your take on a new location for the Syracuse Mets. It has been a highly debated topic whether they should build a new downtown ballpark. If you look into the history of the old P&C Stadium, it is actually quite interesting. They built the thing by Carousel Mall (now Destiny) and the transportation hub in Syracuse, perhaps trying a AAA ballpark village? It didn't work. And they unknowingly built it on literal swamp land which delayed the construction by years. And all that snow didn't help- it kept the ground too wet to stabilize anything. As soon as they would make a progress, a random September blizzard would wipe away all that work.
Who wants retractable roofs on the New York baseball stadiums? I live in New York City and I've never heard this. Plenty of other complaints about Yankee Stadium being boring (they're true).
The "old dump" had history...even after the misguided mid-'70's renovations. The new place looks like a mall. A mall for millionaires & billionaires. Does everything have to be a multi-media, upscale "experience"?
Elmont, NY is not “out of the way”, it is on the boundary between NYC and Nassau County. You can literally walk from the arena to NYC. Unlike the Isles old barn, Nassau Coliseum, UBS is accessible by transit via the LIRR and buses.
If you had never been to the 1975-2008 Yankee stadium you can’t call it a dump. It was the greatest stadium. The atmosphere, the big games, the teams and legends that played there.
It was a great stadium. It did very much need renovations, but given Fenway and Wrigley could do so, the Yankees DEFINITELY could have. Demolishing part of the oversized upper deck, expanding and opening up the concourses to more natural light, improving the food options, building a real batters eye, and connecting the bleachers to the rest of the ballpark would've done the trick fine.
You know what's beyond the left field upper deck at Citi Field? A barren industrial wasteland called the Iron Triangle that was once filled entirely with auto garages and sheds that no one wanted to look at because it looked like a 3rd world country over there. It's been a blight on the city of NY since Shea Stadium opened and they've been trying to rehabilitate that area forever. One administration after another have tried and it finally started gaining traction in the last 5 years. I always hoped the Mets would open up a baseball centric entertainment district akin to the Braves new SunTrust Park over there. Instead we're getting a new MLS stadium for the NYCFC across the street in 2027 with plans for a new commercial/residential neighborhood to arise around the new stadium to be finished by 2032.
@@patrickwagner6247 Most of the shops were either shuttered or moved to the Hunts Point section of the Bronx in the last 10 years. I'd say 20% of these auto shops are still there holding out hope. They're mostly concentrated next to the highway at the moment but their days are unfortunately numbered. For a flood prone area without a sewage system of any sort or city services, it somehow thrived for the last 50+ years. This is why no one ever uses the Bullpen gate to enter the stadium unless they're pregaming at Ebbs Brewing around the right field area. It was just a sketchy dump over there.
@@CoffinDaggers yeah, we were in from Baltimore to see games at both stadiums, hit up Coney Island, and Times Square. We came in on a bus, then hit the subway to Citi Field first thing. Since we were early, we walked around and "discovered" that area waiting for the gates to open.
@@CoffinDaggers that area is worth an amazing amount of money, and the auto shop owners there were holding out for a king’s ransom, which they eventually got
The Jets stadium in the west side of Manhattan would create a nightmare issue. Infrastructure is very important as well, subways and streets surrounding the stadium isn't set up for a stadium of this magnitude. NYC already grapples with tourism surges as well as being an overcrowded city. I don't know how you get 70,000 fans in and out of the west side of Manhattan for an event. When a game ends, you can only fit so many people onto a subway platform. This would require crowd control by cutting off the entry of riders to a subway station until a platform clears out. Basically, its more than just building a stadium.
UBS Arena I think had an exterior inspired in part by the facade of the Belmont Park grandstand next door. Now, the Belmont Park grandstand is on its way out, to be replaced with a smaller facility over the next few years....
The only way I see Citi field getting a roof is if they Strike a deal with the Jets or Giants to play there. There's just little reason to have a roof on these stadiums. The rain delay issues are more of problem with MLB's relucatance to cancel/reschedule games and then make fans wait 3 hours before canceling. As far as the Bills new stadium goes, they intentionally went without a roof becuase a roof would put the stadium in the running for a superbowl location. The city of Buffalo doesn't have the infrastructure to support a Superbowl match.
And also most residents in or near the proposed new Bills Indoor Stadium opposed it. Thus why they are staying in Suburban Orchard Park with a new modern stadium. Ps As someone that has been to Buffalo myself a few times(not yet for a Bills Game)ideally they need to build a HOV/Express Bus lane with the local Mass Transit System NFTA(Niagara Frontier Transit Authority) along Interstate 90 aka I call the Western NY Thruway between the new stadium and Downtown Buffalo on game days.
@@scotttild I am sure that a major factor in why the Bills are staying in Suburban Orchard Park. With that said, no doubt the extra $1 Billion Dollar (maybe more) to make it a domed stadium either in Downtown Buffalo or the Orchard Park site was the main reason not to do so.
They have express busses on the way out right on the main road outside the stadium. They are supposed to leave 15-30 minutes after the game and head to major transportation centers in the region that have park and rides and connecting services. They police litterally blocked the exit for the buses for inexplicable reasons when I went for an hour after a sunday night football game. we get back to the closest transit center to the city of Niagara falls and had to uber back to the hotel. @@americangiant1003
I live in Syr. I have been in the dome a few times... now which is called JMA wireless dome, the dome is not the worst. The tiles are a little more see through than the photos show, but it is always cloudy in syr so that's probably why
Citi Field unveiled a new video board this season and it's the biggest video board in all of MLB right now. I know you're an armchair stadium historian but If you actually ever attended a Mets game at Citi Field, you'd notice what a HUGE difference it makes for the in game experience at the ballpark. Go to PNC Park or Citizen's Bank park and see how puny their video board is compared to the one at Citi Field. It's not even close.
That also goes for Ginger’s description of Milwaukee. I went to a game there last season, a total annihilation of the Brewers, and the atmosphere was fun, upbeat, and had a real beer culture emblematic of the Brewers. And the park was quite nice also
I'm guessing the roof from the Metrodome was too damaged from when the roof collapsed in, for Syracuse to use the translucent panels in theirs. That was the main reason why Minnesota built US Bank Stadium, and played at University of Minnesota's football stadium for a few seasons. There was just no reason to put a new "hefty bag" on the roof of the Metrodome.
The West Side site is a no go, as there are buildings there now. They could have considered the space near Citi Field but they are putting a soccer stadium there.
You missed the Hockey arena in Buffalo… worried about the Jets who don’t even play in NY.. but missed an entire NHL team and their arena and the one the Islanders play in too…
@@dustinsindledecker154 So… the Sabres and Isles are both in the NHL.. both are long time Pro teams… still should mention.. clear though.. he’s focused on football, baseball and basketball…
Another 35-40 years?!! Old Yankee Stadium, if you include the renovated version, lasted 85 years. This new one is not my favorite, but it's state of the art and has everything you need for, - you know - BASEBALL. It should last a long, long - long time. Same with Citi Field. (Hell, even Shea Stadium lasted 44 years and it was a TERRIBLE stadium.)
Love your videos, man. But one thing that I disagree with you on is this obsession with retractable roofs. I get why you feel they’re needed. But let’s face it. Stadiums are becoming uglier and blander even with those monstrosities. Let’s keep stadiums simple. I’m waiting for designers to go back to having stadiums be like the old yards. That’s the reason I think PNC works. It’s a simple design. Nothing fancy. But the views, the simplicity, two decks, smaller capacity. That’s what gives the place a unique charm, a personality. Most of the recently built stadium are ugly, and they just plain suck.
The fact that the NY Giants and NY Jets don’t currently play in the state of New York is a big problem. IMO I would love if the Giants played in Long Island and the Jets played in Upstate, preferably Albany or Syracuse.
@Depressed Ginger: A "retractable roof" over Citi Field might be like that sliding Kansas City roof idea, in one of your other videos, so that it could cover Citi and NYCFC Fields as needed. Might as well get the two-fer while you're at it and have both teams kick in (if you will). The Tennis Center is next door-- have them explain how their retractable roofs work... ;-)
A lot of people still call it Rich Stadium or the Ralph. People never seemed to get behind Highmark Stadium or New Era Field as the names. Rich Stadium > The Ralph >>> Highmark Stadium.
The thing with the obnoxiously giant walls/advertising at both Yankee Stadium and CitiField isn't intended to take away views of the city so much as it is to make it harder,or impossible,for fans outside of the stadium to see inside. It's the same reason the Green Monster at Fenway Park exists. Greedy owners. When you rode the 4 train pulling up to the 161 Street-Yankee Stadium stop,you could see into the stadium through a sliver in the walls,and I think you could even see into the stadium, albeit partially,from the uptown platform of the station. When the new Stadium was built,they made a point of closing off the walls. The stadium itself is a wind tunnel when it's cold,but with such a traditional culture,it won't see a roof anytime soon. I think the only way Yankee Stadium would ever have a roof is if the climate gets so bad,you can't breathe outside - basically if the atmosphere becomes like Venus,lol. That said,new stadiums should just be either retractable-roof, or closed domes. It's the future. Players and fans want to be comfortable. Being a Giants fan,I don't want to spend 4 hours in the rain,snow,or cold, watching my shitty-ass team getting smacked around every week (look at Week 1 against the Cowboys last year), on top of paying hundreds to sit so far up I'm looking at the scoreboard most of the game. I just don't see the point of open-air stadiums in cold-weather cities
First of all, I’m a Yankee fan and to me, I don’t wanna see a retroactive roof in Yankee Stadium. Retroactive roof takes away the view of the Southeastern part where the projects and the courthouse. As for the Jets, St Louis is calling you
Instead of moving the fences in and creating dead zones why don’t they just move the infield forward towards the fences and add an extra rows of prime seating behind the plate and down the baselines?
The recent AZ vs Yankees series was an absolute clown show during the tropical storm. Puddles all over the warning tracks, kitty litter having to be applied to the infield after every inning, and CLEAR home runs and routine fly outs being influenced by high winds in hilarious ways. This game is so easily tainted by weather so i don't understand how any stadium built in the last 25 years wouldn't at least have something to prevent drizzle from hitting the field.
i wish they would have gone ahead with the original plan for Jets stadium instead of that horrible hudson yards. The Jets should have taken the Mets offer and taken the old Shea location
hindsight the city shouldve built the westside stadium for the jets, it was close to getting approved too. the mayor was on board but a lot of city counsel members were against it. its better then what they have there now with hudson yards. the rumor going around is that since nycfc is getting a stadium across the street from citi field, the jets are going to try and get into that stadium but its all just unlikely rumors.
Not just the city council but James Dolan and MSG was a huge roadblock. In the MSG lease it stated that no other stadium should be built on Manhattan and the Knicks and Rangers can never be the home team in a regular season/playoff game outside of MSG unless Dolan waves it under circumstances. That's why when the Rangers played the Isles at Citi field the Isles were the home team
ETFE is a newer material that makes translucent plastic domes or even "glass" panels possible... Almost all the newest of the new stadiums use it.. And because it's so lightweight yet strong it could make it a lot easier to retrofit stadiums with domes without adding structural weight or that much cost compared to the previous materials used... And with climate change making most places hotter I think adding domes just makes sense, especially if you think you are going to keep using your venue for decades to come...
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The Islanders were never a home team at msg
Your right about that!!!
But they did play at Barclays center for a few seasons
@@dustinsindledecker154 Yes your right, they did play at Nets home arena, but we all know that wasn't a true home arena for the Islanders. Those TWO years they played their was dreadful. BROOKLYN is not a HOCKEY TOWN.
@@mikescott2035 well the problem was Barclays wasn't a suitable hockey arena
@@dustinsindledecker154 Barclay's wasn't a suitable hockey arena? I have to disagree with you here, it's not the arena it's BROOKLYN!!! Brooklyn and Hockey don't mix?
Islanders NEVER shared Madison Square Garden. Played foe over 40 years in Nassau Coliseum some of those years sharing with the New York Nets. Then they shared the Barclay Center with the Brooklyn Nets.
Islanders played on Long Island at the coliseum and briefly at the Barclays center, but never MSG
The Commentator on this video, regularly makes these errors. Plus I would not be shocked he has never been to NYC. Amazing how people make these RUclips videos and comments on cities especially in this case, sports stadiums from across America and beyond and yet think they are “experts.” I would appreciate if Ginger would comment if he has even been to any of these sports venues. Just saying.
If the Islanders played one single regular season "home game" at MSG Ranger fans would have rioted !!!!
@@charlesjenkins1225 😂
@americangiant that's why it annoys me when they call the Islanders a New York team. For me,if you've never played in,or until you play in the 5 boroughs,you're not a New York team,the same way you're not a New Yorker if you're not from one of the 5 boroughs
The new Bills stadium is going to be called Highmark Stadium. Highmark decided to extend the naming rights and will keep the same name. The existing Highmark Stadium will be torn down to make way for parking. Also, the Bills are looking to create a stadium district similar to Patriot Place or The Battery in Atlanta.
The Islanders never shared Madison Square Garden with the Rangers. They did share the Barclays Center for a few years with the Nets.
Yup. If now Ex New York Governor Andrew Cuomo did not get involved (he is also a Long Island native I believe)in helping to build the now USB/Belmont Park Arena, the Islanders would have left the NYC metro region for good.
Ps USB/Belmont Park is the perfect location for the Islanders for at least hopefully 30 years minimum (maybe more) for a variety of reasons. 1)Right on the NYC/Long Island Border so fans in both the NYC boros and most of Nassau and Suffolk Counties can attend. 2)Unlike the old Coliseum, this current one is right on a major Long Island Railroad Station with access to both Brooklyn/Manhattan and most of the Island. Helpful for those without any personal car/vehicle.
Nobody, I mean nobody wants to see a roof on Yankee Stadium or CitiField for that matter.
Speak for yourself Jr. Nobody wants to sit in cold and rain. Iv been to a ton of domes and they are far better fan experience by far! Guaranteed to be warm
@@JH-tg3qg I am speaking on behalf of all true baseball fans. Yankees and their true fans would never go for it as wouldn't the Red Sox and their fans. Some people are baseball fans others are pussified baseball fans.
@@JH-tg3qgstfu bro, you clearly ain’t from NY
That's what I'm saying... Like who the fuck wants a roof on Citi field? I can't talk for Yankee stadium but I'm a die hard Mets fan. Never once heard this brought up
@lucasm7177 so u rather wait in the rain for a 2hr delay then just simply close a roof when it's cold or rainy! Please explain your logic? Can't wait
I’m a Mets fan, and you’re right there’s absolutely no way they would build a roof
Besides a financial standpoint, it would completely destroy the atomsphere of the stadium. The planes flying overhead, walking across a outdoor bridge. A dome would just wreck the ballpark’s experience
As a Mets fan, my problem with Citifield is that it's a bowl stadium you can plunk down in Nebraska. At least with new Yankee Stadium you can see the Bronx tenements beyond the outfield that give it a New York vibe.
@@adm712 I disagree. The interior, maybe, but the Ebbet’s Field exterior and Jackie Robinson rotunda are unique to New York
100 percent agreed. Phillies fan in NYC, and I'll admit, I really like what the Mets did with Citi Field. Nice place to catch a game.
@@seandevlin2162 hate the Phillies, CBP is a lovely place to watch a game
I get it, but who could argue against a roof it meant than rainouts and weather issues would no longer be an issue ?
12:35 the Islanders never played home games at MSG. Their original home is the Nassau Coliseum on Long Island (further east from UBS), and they also played at Barclays Center.
FARTHER east. FAR, as in distance. FARther east.
Biggest irony in Stadium naming... Carrier Dome for 40 years with no A/C. Change the name, renovate and now it has A/C. 😆
Really? Hahahaha! 😁
Islanders and Mets
“Orange and Blue, U2!”
4:07 Hudson Yards was built on the plot of land this stadium was proposed for. Where else could the Jets possibly build something this large in Manhattan?
I do agree that a retractable roof for Citi Fleld or Yankee Stadium seems like a long shot. I wonder if it may be more feasible to cover either of those with a translucent roof. It would still be expensive as hell but would not require as much additional support structure to hold the roof up. That way you get the coverage of having a roof but the benefit of allowing natural light in. I still think it's unlikely though.
Agreed
But a roof of any kind would eliminate rainouts / weather issues. It would no longer be an inconvenience.
It was absurd that they didn’t work out some kind of roof on both Citi Field and the new Yankee Stadium, even if a roof would’ve been more costly I think both teams would’ve had the money for it.
The remodeled MSG is OK except if you sit in the upper half of the 200 level. The 400 level overhangs and you can't see the half of the scoreboard or the retired jerseys (or the roof). It makes you feel you're watching the game through the door of another room.
I have tickets in those sections and I relate.
@@Jtcooleditz I grew up in NYC and now live in CT, and have been to the Garden many, many times before the renovation. I was anxious to see it and brought my wife and my best friend. We've seen hockey elsewhere but we're all Rangers fans and they wanted to see MSG. After the game they both told me not to bring them to MSG again. It was very unusual but I don't blame them. If we were lower down in the 200 section it might have been different.
Whoa whoa whoa whoa. Old Yankee Stadium after its renovation was anything but a dump. Before that, it was in desperate need of repairs and renovations. That added decades to its lifespan.
What in the world are you even talking about man?
Also, the Islanders have never played at MSG as the home team. That's the Rangers you're thinking of. While they did play at Barclays for a little bit, they stopped doing that by 2020. They played their remaining games at the Nassau Coliseum, which was their home for ages before moving to Brooklyn to begin with.
This guys knows absolute shit about stadiums. Just shake your head to everything he says and look into it yourself.
There's also plans to build a new stadium for New York City FC of MLS right next to Citi Field in Queens.
They also might expand the seating their so jets might move over there
The Islanders never played at MSG. They played at the Nassau Coliseum, then moved to Barclays, moved back to the Nassau Coliseum then finally the UBS Arena. Also if you look at the calendar the Yankees had 1 home rain out all season in 2023. The other postponed game was June 7th due to the Canadian wildfires, so a roof would not have made a difference. So a roof really is not justified.
If the Mets and Yankees ever did a dome, they would build a brand new stadium. They won’t put one on it. FACT. And MSG, not going to get a facelift. They just did one few years ago. Jets and giants are not going anywhere. Jets aren’t going into NYC. MetLife stadium isn’t that bad. Go to a game and I bet you will like it cause it gets that packed and gets very loud
I agree with many of these points but from a Jets fan here, Giants Stadium was 1000000x better than MetLife. Experience with the fans and Fireman Ed is amazing but the stadium is not
@@dabrowskiego1942Why did Giants stadium even get replaced in the first place ?
Barclay's stadium is a joke
I’m from New York and a Mets fan. I love Ginger’s vids and watch most of them, but I’d appreciate him actually visiting the stadiums and talking about the experiences. For example, the vibe around Shea Bridge is really great at Citi Field and really plays positively into the experience, as well as the kickass pro-shops there. Also, I’ve been to most of the stadiums in the MLB, and Citi, hands-down, has the best food out of all the stadiums I’ve been to. Maybe Oracle Park has a little competition, but I still think Citi takes the cake. Literally.
So, I’d really appreciate a more comprehensive experience of stadiums rather than the aesthetic. That said, Ginger, I love your videos, and keep ‘em coming!
I agree so much, Mets fan also
Do they still use Nathan's concessions?
@@howie9751 not that I know of, but maybe
Shea Bridge is definitely cool. Also you're right about the food at Citi Field being among the best. Also in the parking lot, you can see where the original bases and home plate were from the old Shea Stadium.
Hudson Yards now stands where the proposed Jets stadium (aka West Side Stadium) was set to be built, so they'd have to build elsewhere now -- maybe next to Citi Field.
The islanders did not share MSG but they did play at Barclays and the Nassau coliseum which is another arena in New York that is still standing.
The Islander never shared Madison Square Garden. Jeez. They played at Barclays Center and before that had their own arena called Nassau Coliseum
I drove by Yankees stadium a few weeks ago. I've only seen it on TV. I was absolutely shocked by the parking lot around the thing. So disappointing. I thought it was like Fenway or Wrigley.
As somebody who lives in Syracuse, I can tell you the amount of natural light we get here is pretty nonexistent.
Syracuse, I believe, is ranked dead last in the US for amount of annual sunlight... which is also why we are the Multiple Sclerosis and snow capitol of the country. Lucky us. So no matter what SU did, the chance of getting natural light is near impossible.
While we are at it, since you've brushed on Syracuse, I would love to hear your take on a new location for the Syracuse Mets. It has been a highly debated topic whether they should build a new downtown ballpark. If you look into the history of the old P&C Stadium, it is actually quite interesting. They built the thing by Carousel Mall (now Destiny) and the transportation hub in Syracuse, perhaps trying a AAA ballpark village? It didn't work. And they unknowingly built it on literal swamp land which delayed the construction by years. And all that snow didn't help- it kept the ground too wet to stabilize anything. As soon as they would make a progress, a random September blizzard would wipe away all that work.
Who wants retractable roofs on the New York baseball stadiums? I live in New York City and I've never heard this. Plenty of other complaints about Yankee Stadium being boring (they're true).
Same, was very confused by this. Very stupid idea
"Boring"? No. Way too expensive, yes.
@@davidlafleche1142It’s expensive and trash
The "old dump" had history...even after the misguided mid-'70's renovations. The new place looks like a mall. A mall for millionaires & billionaires. Does everything have to be a multi-media, upscale "experience"?
@@TheOldTapeArchive I wish they found a way to keep Old Yankee
Elmont, NY is not “out of the way”, it is on the boundary between NYC and Nassau County. You can literally walk from the arena to NYC. Unlike the Isles old barn, Nassau Coliseum, UBS is accessible by transit via the LIRR and buses.
If you had never been to the 1975-2008 Yankee stadium you can’t call it a dump. It was the greatest stadium. The atmosphere, the big games, the teams and legends that played there.
It was a great stadium. It did very much need renovations, but given Fenway and Wrigley could do so, the Yankees DEFINITELY could have. Demolishing part of the oversized upper deck, expanding and opening up the concourses to more natural light, improving the food options, building a real batters eye, and connecting the bleachers to the rest of the ballpark would've done the trick fine.
I hate the new Yankee Stadium vs. The old... that was a cathedral
@@Knickerbocker_Ave yes it was! Unless people went to the old stadium they would never know.
You know what's beyond the left field upper deck at Citi Field? A barren industrial wasteland called the Iron Triangle that was once filled entirely with auto garages and sheds that no one wanted to look at because it looked like a 3rd world country over there. It's been a blight on the city of NY since Shea Stadium opened and they've been trying to rehabilitate that area forever. One administration after another have tried and it finally started gaining traction in the last 5 years. I always hoped the Mets would open up a baseball centric entertainment district akin to the Braves new SunTrust Park over there. Instead we're getting a new MLS stadium for the NYCFC across the street in 2027 with plans for a new commercial/residential neighborhood to arise around the new stadium to be finished by 2032.
Went to a Mets game back in 2016 or so. We saw all those garages and thought it was so odd.
@@patrickwagner6247 Most of the shops were either shuttered or moved to the Hunts Point section of the Bronx in the last 10 years. I'd say 20% of these auto shops are still there holding out hope. They're mostly concentrated next to the highway at the moment but their days are unfortunately numbered. For a flood prone area without a sewage system of any sort or city services, it somehow thrived for the last 50+ years. This is why no one ever uses the Bullpen gate to enter the stadium unless they're pregaming at Ebbs Brewing around the right field area. It was just a sketchy dump over there.
@@CoffinDaggers yeah, we were in from Baltimore to see games at both stadiums, hit up Coney Island, and Times Square. We came in on a bus, then hit the subway to Citi Field first thing. Since we were early, we walked around and "discovered" that area waiting for the gates to open.
@@CoffinDaggers that area is worth an amazing amount of money, and the auto shop owners there were holding out for a king’s ransom, which they eventually got
Didn't a few of the NY mob families use that area as a body dumping ground? Might be an interesting time if they did it all up to redevelop it.😁
The Jets stadium in the west side of Manhattan would create a nightmare issue. Infrastructure is very important as well, subways and streets surrounding the stadium isn't set up for a stadium of this magnitude. NYC already grapples with tourism surges as well as being an overcrowded city. I don't know how you get 70,000 fans in and out of the west side of Manhattan for an event. When a game ends, you can only fit so many people onto a subway platform. This would require crowd control by cutting off the entry of riders to a subway station until a platform clears out. Basically, its more than just building a stadium.
UBS Arena I think had an exterior inspired in part by the facade of the Belmont Park grandstand next door. Now, the Belmont Park grandstand is on its way out, to be replaced with a smaller facility over the next few years....
An open air football stadium in Buffalo is a total waste. An open air stadium in Buffalo would only be used 10-15 times a year.
The only way I see Citi field getting a roof is if they Strike a deal with the Jets or Giants to play there. There's just little reason to have a roof on these stadiums. The rain delay issues are more of problem with MLB's relucatance to cancel/reschedule games and then make fans wait 3 hours before canceling.
As far as the Bills new stadium goes, they intentionally went without a roof becuase a roof would put the stadium in the running for a superbowl location. The city of Buffalo doesn't have the infrastructure to support a Superbowl match.
And also most residents in or near the proposed new Bills Indoor Stadium opposed it. Thus why they are staying in Suburban Orchard Park with a new modern stadium. Ps As someone that has been to Buffalo myself a few times(not yet for a Bills Game)ideally they need to build a HOV/Express Bus lane with the local Mass Transit System NFTA(Niagara Frontier Transit Authority) along Interstate 90 aka I call the Western NY Thruway between the new stadium and Downtown Buffalo on game days.
@@americangiant1003 Football you can play in almost any weather which is why the fans opposed the roof. If it was MLB that would have needed a roof.
@@scotttild I am sure that a major factor in why the Bills are staying in Suburban Orchard Park. With that said, no doubt the extra $1 Billion Dollar (maybe more) to make it a domed stadium either in Downtown Buffalo or the Orchard Park site was the main reason not to do so.
They don’t have the infrastructure?
Wouldn’t a Super Bowl bring huge revenue to the city etc ?
They have express busses on the way out right on the main road outside the stadium. They are supposed to leave 15-30 minutes after the game and head to major transportation centers in the region that have park and rides and connecting services. They police litterally blocked the exit for the buses for inexplicable reasons when I went for an hour after a sunday night football game. we get back to the closest transit center to the city of Niagara falls and had to uber back to the hotel. @@americangiant1003
I live in Syr. I have been in the dome a few times... now which is called JMA wireless dome, the dome is not the worst. The tiles are a little more see through than the photos show, but it is always cloudy in syr so that's probably why
You can tell he's not from nyc he don't know what he's talking about
Citi Field unveiled a new video board this season and it's the biggest video board in all of MLB right now. I know you're an armchair stadium historian but If you actually ever attended a Mets game at Citi Field, you'd notice what a HUGE difference it makes for the in game experience at the ballpark. Go to PNC Park or Citizen's Bank park and see how puny their video board is compared to the one at Citi Field. It's not even close.
That also goes for Ginger’s description of Milwaukee. I went to a game there last season, a total annihilation of the Brewers, and the atmosphere was fun, upbeat, and had a real beer culture emblematic of the Brewers. And the park was quite nice also
It's a great video board at Citi Field. I got to see it for the first time this summer and it's the best in baseball right now.
That's the photo you chose for the interior of newish Yankee Stadium?
I'm guessing the roof from the Metrodome was too damaged from when the roof collapsed in, for Syracuse to use the translucent panels in theirs. That was the main reason why Minnesota built US Bank Stadium, and played at University of Minnesota's football stadium for a few seasons. There was just no reason to put a new "hefty bag" on the roof of the Metrodome.
The West Side site is a no go, as there are buildings there now. They could have considered the space near Citi Field but they are putting a soccer stadium there.
The west side stadium would’ve been cool then again Hudson yards will never exist
They are considering building an nfl stadium for the jets over there in queens
3:59 the USFL New Jersey Generals should have their games at MetLife Stadium with the New Jersey Giants
Syracuse is always cloudy
You missed the Hockey arena in Buffalo… worried about the Jets who don’t even play in NY.. but missed an entire NHL team and their arena and the one the Islanders play in too…
He also missed Michie Stadium where Army plays. They had a planned renovation that got temporarily cancelled because it was too costly.
Well to be honest the buffalo sabres have been forgettable for the last decade
@@dustinsindledecker154 So… the Sabres and Isles are both in the NHL.. both are long time Pro teams… still should mention.. clear though.. he’s focused on football, baseball and basketball…
@@ronpeacock9939 you got a point
“Putting their foot into the ground.” Homie making up expressions.
The Jets and Giants should be the NEW JERSEY Jets and Giants. 👌
Is the new BILLS stadium 🏟️ also located in Orchard Park, New York?
Yes
Crazy how all three teams play in the Suburbs
Another 35-40 years?!! Old Yankee Stadium, if you include the renovated version, lasted 85 years. This new one is not my favorite, but it's state of the art and has everything you need for, - you know - BASEBALL. It should last a long, long - long time. Same with Citi Field. (Hell, even Shea Stadium lasted 44 years and it was a TERRIBLE stadium.)
I never got to see Shea but many people seem to miss it.
Why did it have to go in the end ?
Love your videos, man. But one thing that I disagree with you on is this obsession with retractable roofs. I get why you feel they’re needed. But let’s face it. Stadiums are becoming uglier and blander even with those monstrosities. Let’s keep stadiums simple. I’m waiting for designers to go back to having stadiums be like the old yards. That’s the reason I think PNC works. It’s a simple design. Nothing fancy. But the views, the simplicity, two decks, smaller capacity. That’s what gives the place a unique charm, a personality. Most of the recently built stadium are ugly, and they just plain suck.
The fact that the NY Giants and NY Jets don’t currently play in the state of New York is a big problem.
IMO I would love if the Giants played in Long Island and the Jets played in Upstate, preferably Albany or Syracuse.
Both should move back to ny and nj should get a expansion team
Heineken Terrace at the UBS ARENA is a great hangout space
For the record, the islanders never shared the garden. To even put that into the universe is a travesty.
The interior of MSG was completely redone less than ten years ago. Completely different than the prior configuration
@Depressed Ginger: A "retractable roof" over Citi Field might be like that sliding Kansas City roof idea, in one of your other videos, so that it could cover Citi and NYCFC Fields as needed. Might as well get the two-fer while you're at it and have both teams kick in (if you will). The Tennis Center is next door-- have them explain how their retractable roofs work... ;-)
The better known name for Highmark is the original name.. Rich Stadium… Later renamed to Ralph Wilson stadium (or just The Ralph)
A lot of people still call it Rich Stadium or the Ralph. People never seemed to get behind Highmark Stadium or New Era Field as the names.
Rich Stadium > The Ralph >>> Highmark Stadium.
Rich Stadium 🏟️ was named after Rich Products Corporation. 👌
I have never once heard someone want a roof on Yankee Stadium or Citi Field
Can you do a video on MSG? How it's divided as far as the main floor where the basketball games are played and where the theatre is inside there.
Do the Buffalo Sabres play on a pond somewhere or do they have their own arena?
The Islanders spend sometime not at MSG but at Barclays, and it was aweful. Place was not built for hockey at all.
What are you talking about? The ads blocking NYC? Huh? Manhattan is to the south, behind home plate.
The thing with the obnoxiously giant walls/advertising at both Yankee Stadium and CitiField isn't intended to take away views of the city so much as it is to make it harder,or impossible,for fans outside of the stadium to see inside. It's the same reason the Green Monster at Fenway Park exists. Greedy owners. When you rode the 4 train pulling up to the 161 Street-Yankee Stadium stop,you could see into the stadium through a sliver in the walls,and I think you could even see into the stadium, albeit partially,from the uptown platform of the station. When the new Stadium was built,they made a point of closing off the walls. The stadium itself is a wind tunnel when it's cold,but with such a traditional culture,it won't see a roof anytime soon. I think the only way Yankee Stadium would ever have a roof is if the climate gets so bad,you can't breathe outside - basically if the atmosphere becomes like Venus,lol. That said,new stadiums should just be either retractable-roof, or closed domes. It's the future. Players and fans want to be comfortable. Being a Giants fan,I don't want to spend 4 hours in the rain,snow,or cold, watching my shitty-ass team getting smacked around every week (look at Week 1 against the Cowboys last year), on top of paying hundreds to sit so far up I'm looking at the scoreboard most of the game. I just don't see the point of open-air stadiums in cold-weather cities
You didn't talk about New York City FC's stadium situation.
The Rangers & Islanders play awesome outdoors at Yankee Stadium & Citi Field .
9:40 there isnt that much natural light in Syracuse in general. Sad to see the inflatable roof go.
They’ve been talking about a stadium just for the Jets since the 70’s. It’s not gonna happen.
First of all, I’m a Yankee fan and to me, I don’t wanna see a retroactive roof in Yankee Stadium. Retroactive roof takes away the view of the Southeastern part where the projects and the courthouse.
As for the Jets, St Louis is calling you
Highmark was originally named Rich Stadium.
MSG possibly getting a renovation? They recently underwent a billion dollar renovation.
Yankee stadium feels like an airport.. i really hate that place
MetLife feels like an airport
@@CoffinDaggers that place is dump!!
Bread and Circus stadiums....where the people go to be entertained which prevents them from thinking about things that really matter.
Instead of moving the fences in and creating dead zones why don’t they just move the infield forward towards the fences and add an extra rows of prime seating behind the plate and down the baselines?
The islanders shared an arena with brooklyn nets at Barclays
The recent AZ vs Yankees series was an absolute clown show during the tropical storm. Puddles all over the warning tracks, kitty litter having to be applied to the infield after every inning, and CLEAR home runs and routine fly outs being influenced by high winds in hilarious ways. This game is so easily tainted by weather so i don't understand how any stadium built in the last 25 years wouldn't at least have something to prevent drizzle from hitting the field.
800 million, The Mets could borrow that from Seinfeld
Rangers and Islanders never shared the Garden once lol. Where did you get that "fact" from?
It bothers me as a Bills fan that New Highmark is going to lose 10,000 seats.
Barclays has the steepest seats in the NBA and maybe professional sports
MetLife stadium hosted Super Bowl 48 which was a bad idea unless they expand transportation then I guess is fiesble to host again
i wish they would have gone ahead with the original plan for Jets stadium instead of that horrible hudson yards. The Jets should have taken the Mets offer and taken the old Shea location
The billboards are there at Yankee Stadium not to block the view of the city, but to block the view of all that public housing. 😂😂😂😂
Well, they DO muffle the sound of the Jerome Avenue elevated train that runs right next to the park🙂.
At least he didn’t say Jag-wires.
Nasty that Jets stadium is fulgy, looks like a futuristic fema prison.
What fan wants retractible roofs at Yankee stadium and Citi field? Baseball is meant to be outside. I understand in other cities but not New York
He wants to put a dome on everything. Stadiums are better without domes unless in extreme weather.
hindsight the city shouldve built the westside stadium for the jets, it was close to getting approved too. the mayor was on board but a lot of city counsel members were against it. its better then what they have there now with hudson yards. the rumor going around is that since nycfc is getting a stadium across the street from citi field, the jets are going to try and get into that stadium but its all just unlikely rumors.
I think the Jets will get a new building if they want to win at all. They can't just be tenants and get the income they need.
Not just the city council but James Dolan and MSG was a huge roadblock. In the MSG lease it stated that no other stadium should be built on Manhattan and the Knicks and Rangers can never be the home team in a regular season/playoff game outside of MSG unless Dolan waves it under circumstances. That's why when the Rangers played the Isles at Citi field the Isles were the home team
ETFE is a newer material that makes translucent plastic domes or even "glass" panels possible... Almost all the newest of the new stadiums use it.. And because it's so lightweight yet strong it could make it a lot easier to retrofit stadiums with domes without adding structural weight or that much cost compared to the previous materials used... And with climate change making most places hotter I think adding domes just makes sense, especially if you think you are going to keep using your venue for decades to come...
The Islanders never played in MSG They played at Nassau Coliseum and the Barclays center
The Miami Dolphins added a retractable roof
I believe Yankee Stadium and Citi Field will last way longer than 35-40 years since they will still be new
They obviously delayed one of the Yankees game yesterday and Sunday cause of the rain and all that stuff.
Any update on the Meadowlands Arena?
It's being used for the studio to tape TV shows in you going to look it up
🙏🏿🙏🏿Dear New York city and state please allow some type of subsidies in order to move the Giants and jets back to New York City proper preferably Queens in a Indoor Stadium I think the fortunes of both the Jets and Giants will change
7:56 highmark was opened 51 years ago.
The Islanders never had any home games at MSG
islanders had there own home at Nassau County coliseum then at Barclays center then back at Nassau County coliseum now at ubs arena
New Yankee stadium doesn't really have a view with or without the bill boards.
Love the videos!
Sorrycuse is always cloudy.
none of these were ever necessary. They need to stop wasting money rebuilding stadiums and just make a good for once.
The Jets could move to the Jersey City waterfront.
New MLS stadium approved by Citi Field
The islanders never shared MSG with the Rangers lmaooo
Total lack of respect for MVP arena.
Why did you talk about American football and not football like NYCFC? Their stadium problem is very interesting
NBA has a new expansion team in Syracuse, NY!🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀
I never heard of that. Are they playing at the Carrier Dome?