Cheating In WoW PvP Is Getting Out Of Control
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
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Meanwhile, the War who showed the kick macro to make community aware got banned immediately for whistleblowing and doing a good thing
Whos the war
Whats the kick macro?
@@dyner2369it’s fixed since last season but it was a macro you could make for your kick and you could spam it and would only kick the second someone casted a kickable spell. It was basically a bug someone discovered.
@@Coheed420 ahhh yeah i see which one you mean
I am a cheat dev, i tried bringing what i know to blizzard by video in a private server so they wouldn't ban me, someone ended up getting back to me and there are multiple ways to detect this but they genuinely don't care. they can 100% detect the input within the system on driver side or on send-input.
they would rather ban players for saying "bad or sad" instead of actaully fixing the game.
This exactly. Got Language filter and ignore they can force people to use, but they just ban everybody and let cheaters prosper.
so true, unsubbed and uninstalled the game earlier today, and bnet.
@@MichaelScottVaughnTheSecond based. stay true to the cause king
They dont even do that bro you can say anything in wow. They are so greedy they don't want players to leave. League on the other hand is a different story.
They dont they silebce you for a week and longer if it happens again. Happend to me last week for calling out a bot.
people need to unsubscribe to force blizzard to pay attention. the only time companies change is when the bottom line is in question.
"We hear you, we've shutdown the game, laid off most of the staff, and moved the remainder to Warcraft rumble development."
this has been proven time and time again with countless games that it does not work.
yeah all 200 pvp players need to quit
They don't care they like their bot subs
If all pvpers quit they dont notice lol
Here is the cycle:
-last week video: “player participation is down. Why don’t healers want to que?”
-this week video: “wow has a cheating problem.”
-next weeks video: “pvp participation at an all time low. Why don’t people que?”
Sad and vicious cycle.
Blizzard needs to get rid of API reading addons and severely limit Macros. Just keep QoL visual addons or allows players to have a fully customizable UI and youll see PvP flourish
The new UI does, but 100% agree about addons/macros
This is a huge problem yes, but the main issue with PvP is the barrier of entry. Players essentially need to learn 12 different classes to be decent at the game
Ban all addons
@@eloniewordan8890 that would be amazing, but imagine they do that...people will find ways to insert the addons still so they'll have an even bigger advantage because the honest people won't be using them. People just fucking suck...
It's how the game is built issue, it may sound like it's easy to just disable addons from reading the API, but it's not that simple.
Many visuals also need to read the API to relay information etc.
There is no way to completely remove botting from a game.
Cheaters always find a way to abuse any game.
Removing addons will take care of some of it, but not curate it.
Tin Foil Hat Theory: Blizzard created the sophisticated bots to help reduce queue times for SS.
I was thinking it could be possible blizz is making them.
i think issue was more so healers not que'ing up there was an abundance of dps just not enough healers? maybe its different at the peak ratings though
if that was the intention bots would be healers
They would make healers then... More DPS = increased queue times lol...
They have done this with hearthstone actually so you might be onto something. Put the hat aside
Yeah, the messed up thing is that you get hit with a forum ban for "naming and shaming" if you bring light to any botter...while there is no action taken against the exploiter/cheater.
I have spent at least 2 months of the last year silenced from forums for calling out bot software and/or botting players.
You get silenced on there and reported as a troll for just complaining about the cheating.
@@DoublebrutalCS2SAME!
@@DoublebrutalCS2 the community is beyond toxic at this point.
the bots in RuneScape respond.. is next level shit actually
the bots will even complain about botting when asked how they feel about the game lmao
i remember when monks were hard botting and on my d priest i would drop barrier at the start of the game at a random spot for shits and giggles and they would instantly RoP it to prove they were bots.
I talked about this like two weeks ago on the reddit and I got shat on by people calling me a liar and that Im coping about my rating
they are not really that common to the point of taking down ur rating, and as youc an see they are easily coutnered by a wall lol
@@rickroll9705 I wasn't complaining about my rating at all, I was complaining about obvious cheating in my matches.
Yep. The community is toxic af.
@@rickroll9705they are extremely common at higher ratings.
Wow pvp is legit garbage not the dev and not even the GMs care about it no wonder they don't ban cheaters
I don't play wow anymore, but I'm pretty sure they got rid of most of the real people that would otherwise have been taking action against these cheaters. They now have AI doing most of the workload, and AI can't make discretionary calls that require critical thinking like investigative cheating detection. Going with AI has harmed customer satisfaction by leaps and bounds. Wow has not had a soul for nearly a decade now, and people are now seeing the ramifications of it.
It's quite sad, because I really miss playing my DH, but I'll never pay for another Blizzard product for the rest of my life. And I had over 3 years /played on my account which I had since BC.
Blizzards own casters exposing their own game
Ive seen these DH and outlaw bots for months, and no one believed me. The way they can path to stealth is what gives it away initially every time for me. The outlaw bot behaves exactly the same.
This is bigger than wow. Cheating in all games is out of control. Combine that with the disgusting business practices we are seeing and it makes me question whether this hobby is even worth it anymore.
my god that's nuts :D
what we should look into next is win-trading in solo-shuffle.
i've been queueing quite a bit at around 2400 cr (healer) and some lobbies just feel incredibly off.
Like no matter what you do, your teammates miracolously forget how to play the game when they're on your team.
and it's not like they're just having a bad round. they will straight up refuse to make plays or trade cooldowns that should be absolutely standard at this rating.
whenever you go an check the enemy healer after the match, its always the same pattern: 2000 - 2200 - 2400 - 2700 achievments earned within a couple of days, getting glad one or two seasons and boom, rival bracket in every other season. the story just doesn't add up. it's really frustrating, you usally go 0-6 in these lobbies with absolutely no agency.
i know that it's extremely hard to prove, and sometimes you just get unlucky lobbies where things just don't go your way.
I'd be interested though if anybody else has had a similar experience.
yes there is wintrading happening big time in ss
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Blizzard has a financial incentive to keep botters around. They pay more than any single player will ever pay.
8:07 yup, some bots have those automatic responses. Some of the more modern bots have AI chatbots connected, so they can have full on conversations with you.
lets be honest - probably blizzard has actually put them in there to make the game seem active.
If they get rid of all addons it may help solve this issue with Bots because I am pretty sure some of their program functions through 1 or more addons.
The Fact he Probably no banned his way up to 2400 as Bot without getting detected is just unbeliveable :D
Unfortunately, it is easier to recognize a bot when you make the game less complex as their decision making is more obvious. People would be able to point out that a bot keeps blowing it’s one burst CD or gap closer CD at the start of every match with the assumption their opponent would go out in the open. That, however, is much more difficult to do when blizzard shoved a bunch of CDs into the game to make their game seem more challenging. All they did was make the game harder for real players while making it easier for A.I. to cruise control.
Forgetting about PvP and climbing on M+ has been so much more rewarding and fun.
It really sucks, as even though I am totally a casual, I loved PvP
the worst part is they ban people for trashtalking in chat of soloq instantly ( even blizzcon challengers and thus not allowing them to play in the finals) but they are waiting the end of the season to do a massive banwave of bots.... This is the worst part imo, that they ll ban people just for being toxic instead of cheating . Blizzard doing a great job as usual.
yeah because western company they cater to people like venruki and other players that get their heart broken and instantly report if someone is being toxic it's normal these companies will die slowly
Ive gotten a 3 day ban for returning profanity to someone. It happened inside of 12hrs..but botters are untouchable?!?
blizzard was always like that ever since they got aquired by activision. you can get banned in OW/OW2 for saying "youre bad guys, learn to play, bosoted bots" for toxicity but cheater banning IS NON EXISTENT .
I had 2 games last night in rated 3v3 below 1000 rating where we played against spriest affliction and the whole time the milisecond I pressed interrupt on the priest's shadow spells they start casting a heal...
I did a solo shuffle on a brand new character and i think there was only 1 other real player. Better yet these bots were SO BAD just kind of running in random directions, not casting things all fight, would stand next to another "player" and neither of them even target eachother.
What a sad state of affairs.
Its really funny to me how suddenly this topic receives more attention because streamers see more of this side due to solo shuffle. Cause botting and cheating have always been present in wow. During BFA and Shadowlands I focused mainly on gold boosting from 0-1800cr on EU servers. And the stuff I saw was really funny, from basic stuff like instantly killing grounding totems or instant kicks on my heals to people who apperearently had no global cooldowns or people using abilities they shouldnt have in the first place. The good side was, that I was always to get rid of these people since I recorded all my arena games. But seeing bots with 7000 games makes me believe these days they dont care.
Every Expansion I give arenas a try and I am always disappointed by blizzards lack of care
So they hugely nerf DHs to pull people away from the class, and sudo address the botting. Why do things to remove our desire to play? For those of us only playing DH, why should we keep playing now? This will also impact queue times, I am so bummed over this. The most played class was fun, why not spend efforts to make the other classes as fun to play instead of just removing the fun? I think this will hurt the bottom line, which is obviously what drives their decisions, so they are shooting themselves in the foot imo.
They really do need to re-evaluate the report system, for those that get penalized on nothing or for saying minor things that technically I would argue as freedom-of-speech versus those that never get penalized that actually should recieve maximum punishment for gameplay sabotage or going directly against Blizzards "Terms of Service" without recieving any penalty.
Cheaters are going to destroy every single game in existance if they are allowed to.
recently you have strange lag cheat in arenas. Guy is playing without any lags and then suddenly when he is low he is jumping over whole arena
DHs had more exploits than I could count in legion. Loads of invisible walls that werent high enough allowing them to jump out of bounds or through objects (most famously probably the tunnel jump on WSG). DH tanks could straight up disconnect you on maps like Eye of the Storm or in arenas by slamming you into terrain. I know quite a few people who got HOTA just abusing DH exploits.
There's nothing to be surprised by in terms of DPS - damage rotation is the easiest part of the bot programming.
Navigation, state management, situational awareness, teamplay - these are the complex areas that still have gaping holes that allow easy detection by real players.
This game is full of bots. You can see them everywhere mining, herbing, leveling or boosting lvls 20 in Nokhund Hold.... I got tired of reporting because Blizzard won't do anything for months. One day this game will only be played by bots farming.
Blizzard uses bots to show that people are playing the game ....
"We put a rock in the way... that was it."
funny think about bots, is that they can farm EVERYTHING - you have ppl botting achivements/mounts/pets/ basically everything in the game. Nothing has a meaning anymore, its very sad what WoW has become over the years...
The sad reality is that the people that are currently still subbed would stay subbed even if tomorrow they released patch notes that buffed all DH damage by 30% and gave rdruids perma treant pets and rsham earthen wall aura that was permanent. The patch notes could even say "Fuck you PvP community." Blizzard has abandoned ship on pvp this season, the same people will play. The only people left are multiglads, tourney players, boosters and their customers.
You could do a legit study on the effects of the sunken cost fallacy using the world of warcraft pvp community as a dataset.
Robodrome has clipping issues for the bots too. I ran into full bot teams on the 3v3 ladder and standing on top of the ramp in the corner, the bots would just bug out and walk off the edge everytime they came up.
Ven I like your videos pointing out the core issues of PvP. New players are not playing which is a major issue. I don't want to see this game die. I fought Pikaboo the other night and lost 10 rating. I have never been above 1812 because I suck. This was at 1600 rating 2s.
Remove addons and macros, improve the interface for all the stuff addons is a must have, reduce keybinds so not having macros is not that bad. i imagine doing this would make the game much more friendly to new and casuals players and would make cheating much harder.
I genuinely think WoW has no anti-cheat and no PvP tuning developers right now. I think they all got fired with the recent purges. Because like, these bots should be super easy to detect. Even players themselves have figured out basic things like how they use perfectly timed globals.
A real player will always either miss a gcd by few milliseconds, or mash buttons during GCD or when in CC, to make sure they go off ASAP. The bots just make perfectly timed inputs every time.
Yet Blizzard won't make a detection software for that kind of play. We would be seeing bans already if that was the case, since these bots and their GCD perfection has been known for like a year at this point.
I legit cant even say anything to players doing this or I'll be perma banned. They need to fix this, like now. Even at 2k mmr, im running into botters every 10 games or less.
Got a 1 Week suspension for calling a bg team, "pve heroes", but players that do this sort of thing have accounts with no actions. I no longer play WoW after the former.
I hate when i have a sick session... but a wall is stopping me from getting gladiator consistant :(
I know they added DH for the sake of representation, so that people with special needs could participate, but I never considered that it could even be botted to this kind of extreme level
Yes, other companies have a job to apply anti-cheating measures. Responsibility greatly varies, can range from reviewing suspected accounts only as a small part of the working time to actively looking for suspicious activity even on non-flagged accounts. The truth is that this costs money - it would cost way more for Blizzard to pay wage + contributions for a handful of employees than the financial damage the bots cause. If every single day one guy stops playing due to the bots...well, that's collateral damage - still cheaper than employing a couple people. They don't care about reputation or such, only short-term profit matters.
"I can do 200k dps but walls are my counterrr" lmfaooooo
I think Blizz needs the bots cos there arent enought people playing retail arenas.
This is so sad. You have the community (and even ven, and supa who works for blizzard as caster) crying out to blizzard to fix their game, and they dont seem to care to try and solve the issues that are ruining the game. We pay them month after month year after year hoping the game will get better, and are actively trying to help, but it seems like its not cost effective enough for blizzard to fix the game. They will meet their annual quotas with or without the players being happy.
Just reduce the main awards to 1,8cr and most of us will not even care. Problem is that even 2.1 is too hard to reach for the normal player
Over the last couple years cheating has become a problem across all games not just wow, it's spreading like wildfire. I used to escape it by not playing shooters but it's spreading to mmorpgs and mobas as well. Just sad stuff.
Holy shit , i can't believe people pay 13$ a month for a broken game full of bots & cheaters
Blizzard can detect kick botting as none of the kickbots have any randomization will always kick at x% of a cast or x seconds or miliseconds
How are people getting 1600-2000k hitpoints in a battleground? I'm lucky to get 1000k. Their damage is insanely high and their hitpoints are ridiculously high. Not just Tanks. I've seen Hinters and Priests close to that. I've met Priests that just heal through the entirety of our team beating on them. Someone please explain this to me.
To be fair everygame is like this, i played ALOT of apex legends and the number os hackers is just horrendous, and you know that its easy to spot but they just dont get banned. WoW is the same thing sadly
Even if they get banned
They just klick new acc
The use addons to play the Bots
You need to bann the Addons
Also make it impossible to be logged into several instanses of the game from 1 PC
I don't think they'll do anything to them. If they do, the WOW players on the US server are truly lucky. On the TW server, confirmed cheating has been "allowed" openly for about a decade. The number of bots and cheats there is probably hundreds or even thousands of times worse than what you encounter on the US servers...lol.
Wow used to do exactly that with people employed to watch bots
if they ban them instantly, they have a harder time pinpointing the exploit and then performing a mass ban
Is this from shadowlands? Cuz im seeing hunter kyrian ability and we dont have these anymore, do we? I dont remember seeing it available in DF
This is what happens when game devs give classes way too many instant cc and gap closing abilities. Easiest way to create bots for. They do not even need any sophisticated programming to work... The state this game is in is absolutely horrible and I have zero hope that these devs will fix anything. If anything they make it worse.
I don't use a bot, I use an addon that kicks for me. Addons aren't crutches, they are high skill, ask any world first raider.
Warden (Blizzards anti-cheat who is active across Blizzard titles) has always been trash. Believe it or not, it's actually a lot better now than it used to be, and it's still trash. That says a lot. Botters can more or less reign free. Pretty much the only way to get banned is if a GM looks at you ingame specifically
If they ban them too quickly, the cheaters will go elsewhere. As long as they can cheat for a month or two before the ban, they will buy another copy of the game and start over. It's better for Blizzard's wallet to let them get away with cheating for a while.
Venruki and Supatease are both Blizzard casters and have coms with WoW devs right? Are there PvP devs they can just mention these things to?
The Doctor must not survive, WE ARE DALEKS. REEEEEEEEEEE
how about the devs say: hey "higherups" theres is a virus infesting our game can we fix the problem?
They are ruining all games. Should make hacking a criminal offense.
What if the bots is WoW's way to reduce queue?
Ban all add ons would be great. Problem is most the players left are completely dependent on them, and wouldnt be able to play the game anymore and blizz cant risk a massive player drop off due to banning cheats.
Plot twist: It's just blizzard using their comp stomp bots.
I did pvp from vanilla to wotlk, did grand marshal in vanilla, 2 time gladiator in bc, and casualy pvp in wotlk... this state of the game is aramaic language for me... i try to look at it and try to uderstand something about this video and im glad i get like 30% of it xD
Link to the bot?
Yup happened to me the other day in wintergrasp, hunter was in a demo on low health afk i was guessing so destroyed the demo and then started on the hunter, as soon as i start to shoot his pet came for me straight away and he fired every single shot at me in like 10 seconds and killed me , but he didn't move one bit, wasn't even facing me head on then a rogue came along and killed him because im guessing the bot couldnt reset quick enough.
good to see bots not getting banned but i get banned for a month when i got 2100 my 3rd time ever.. honestly quit retail after that
Man, I get banned for 3 days for calling someone a bitch but these dudes can cheat in arenas all season long. What is happening
who would pay $20 a month to play wow if the extra $5 meant they could hire a team dedicated to getting rid of bots 24/7
I think this is actually rampant at all CR's. I started noticing it at as low as 1600
Bot lobbies too? I've literally had the opposing SS team all move the same way, like they all share the same mind rofl
So he said they're becoming more sophisticated lately but that's not true. I personally used a bot way back in MOP that could easily do all this (except maybe the see in stealth wtf). But for it to be so seemingly widespread and blatant is interesting, has to be profitable and/or low risk (lol) enough
I wouldn't go by chat, they already have used chatgpt for bots on OSRS. I wouldn't be surprised if they do on WoW.
The only version of wow I would take seriously is a version where all addons are banned, also botting is not possible. The game is made for sweaty pumpers, not for casuals. Way too much $i%$ going on.
Gotta love when a shit company does the bare minimum for pvp tuning and feedback and changes. Literally ban people because they said something that hurt someones feelings.
It's really dark times we are living.
People are getting banned by bots but we can't get real people to ban bots. fucking . hilarious . xD
I came back to the game a month ago and these Bots made me unsubscribe again it's crazy how many there are. I've been playing for 15 years and this is the worst I've seen it
its just a rotation bot that you have to buy the bot api and then you buy the rotations for pvp from the programmers that play those classes and they constantly update the rotation so its like 25 a month for the app and then 30 a week for the pvp rotation
Where EXACTLY is the cheating line at? EXACTLY. Macros, Focus macros, Target macros, if/when macros, keybinds, add-ons...Where EXACTLY is that line? If you are not clicking the spell you want to cast with your mouse, you are using something that is making you "better" than the game's original design. So lets come up with where the line is. Cause this kind of botting to me is on the same level as my other mentions above. Someone just took it a step further than your macros and you are angry about it now.
What Ven meant to say is, because blizz pays me money and I don't want to stir the bee hive too much.
If you go on the forums all the RMT boosters will tell you bots and boosting doesn't exist btw
the problem is as old as the game. and tbh its mostly the players themselves who are the problem. r14 groups back then started all of this desperation bs and when classic came around, so did r14 groups who ruin it for everyone else because these guys thought they were more special than everyone else, thus they had the right to turn the game to shit for everyone they met while grinding rank. And blizzard does not give a damn about the players and whats right. they will not fix this, EVER. you have to deal with it because they will not help you and those bots are here to stay.
Blizz needs to calm this fucking game down. Get rid of the addons, get rid of the scripts, get rid of all that stuff and just have light addons, its getting absolutely tiring.
Said from the start should just removed dh from the game entirely
some cheating bots are actually more insane than this. Monk can instant ring of peace and knocking ppl out of barrier/darkness, auto kick/fake kick. It's not just a problem of API reading, they can read PC RAM or something, just like PUBG malware
When you realize that those old d2 cbaalz-307 bots are now in WoW and other games? Rip
Baal runs were the peak of my childhood 😂
i was just about to comment the same thing!🤣
What add on do you use to track ennemi GCD in livetime? (Not only big CD with bigdebuffs, omniCD, gladius etc..)
We need AI balancing and AI cheat detection so bad. The only hope we have as PvP players is for them to fully automate pvp. Because the devs are close to completely useless
COD and War zone pay attention to the top of the leagues and popular streamers. They actually watch streamers. The assumption being that bots and cheaters have an unnatural progression curve and other pro level players will recognize the behavior quickly. The easiest way to manage cheaters is to make it hard to watch the top of the brackets, they all want to be there. No one runs cheats to be mid grade or bottom beacket.
In Classic there are thousands of bots following the same paths for days on end, flying in dungeons and going underground to mine/herb/pickpocket. If they can't detect and ban people flying, GL detecting these bots. 🤣