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they think just cuz he can “dance” and “sing” makes him like MJ but MJ wasn’t just that, like half of Chris’ music sounds exactly the same, he has no artistic growth like Michael did, he isn’t breaking records like he did, he doesn’t have the cultural impact MJ does, even with his “controversy” Michael is still respected, the same can not be said for Chris
Absolutely, it’s becoming exhausting. On the other hand, I do understand that entertainers and movie studios, writers I try to do whatever they can to make their coin and unfortunately this nostalgia thing sells😭
This is why I love artists like Billie Eilish, pink pantheres, Halle Bailey, and sza because they are actually known as their own artists and not relying on their inspiration 100% on their career
I was JUST thinking about Billie Eilish specifically, I can’t really think of anyone she fully reminds me of. I’ve never found myself comparing her to anyone
People love to call Billie Eilish Lana del Rey's daughter but I think her artistry is completely different to Lana del Rey even though she is very inspired by Lana del rey and can be referenced in Lana's sphere of influence.
@@CamrynSuzannePls. The whispering edgy sound sounded better on ALLIE X, LORDE and AURORA. Member being so mad when she started blowing up and people calling her original.. original where? Her sound has been overdone for a decade.
Yes, and to reiterate I do think she was just genuinely a huge taylor fan and was geeked at the thought of her being a peer but it definitely has paid off that she’s made separation from the taylor comparisons and really doing her own thing
@@yumyumyum1238 speaking of Olivia, wouldn't she be Hayley Williams’ daughter too? People have compared Good For You to Misery Business (and did mashups for it).
@@christinebelzie194so to an extent yes but I guess since she didn’t start off as a pop rock artist until guts she got compared to Taylor since they wrote in a similar diaristic way
I mildly get where people are coming from but in no world do they need to be compared, tyla is already on her own unique journey. And rih with always be rih
Girl it is so crazzy tyla just doesnt have that creative reach her music does not compare to Rihanna this far atleast we dont know what the puppet master have and are even planing for her . The comparison to me is morr based on attaching tyla to a figure and alingning her to some Rihanna trade marks and it worked coz look at the other African female pop stars they do get as much attention as her coz they are not sold as the next _ so it was a great move
I think doja successfully broke out from her comparisons to nicki by acknowledging it but also her music was still very doja and she had the talent to move past the comparisons and let her be her own star by creating moments like demons etc (even if the reaction was mixed on it)
Yeah, I would agree. She got a lot of those comparisons early on and like you said acknowledged it but you can tell that she's not afraid to be experimental and march to the beat her own drum which I think benefited her heavily.
@@cloudsurfer73 the same thing happens every decade and people say oh we miss the old times and the same people say the same thing every decade and some of them are 50 years old
@@doranicolaou9173this is true, i grew up in the 2000s and i remember thinking how much better the 90s were and now i’m reminiscing over the 2000s and even early 2010s …
people are QUICK to announce someone's "flop" era when the single has only been released a day. like, let a comeback breathe. let an album marinate in your mind a little. how many artists were scorned during their day for coming out with something new, strange, or even "uninspired" and those songs have gone on to become certified legends? you can't put a timeline on art APPRECIATION. perceptions of music and artists will constantly change. It's embarrassing to spell someone's doom before you've given them a chance to succeed
Especially with how immediately as Tyla was trending for the VS fashion show, people started comparing her performance to Rihanna's so much that Rihanna started trending too
I never understood the Rihanna comparison. Just because Tyla looks "exotic" doesn't mean she is the next Rihanna. Not even Tyla's music and style feel Rihanna
@@PhilisiweLanga-nv6pw exactly, it doesn’t make sense to compare two different people from different times and different cultures 🤣 Rihanna is her own woman, Tyla is her own woman too, claiming rih’s performance was better makes no sense, they’re different people with different upbringing’s. If it were Rihanna 2013 vs Rihanna 2014 it would be up for comparison😭
This! Her doing a simple walk, dancing is always compared to Ri. People saying she will always be superior. Tyla has started mentioning her less cause at the end she wants to create her own lane and she is introducing amapiano to the global world. It just sets unrealistic standards.
I don't know how but Olivia Rodrigo managed to escape the clutches of being forever branded as Taylor's daughter and is very clearly able to stand on her own. She is undeniably the Taylor of the generation in the sense of her being the breakout teen music starnand songwriter
@@negressprincess "she's got edge you never did the future's bright dazzling" this is what Taylor said on Clara bow about comparison between her and up and coming artists. But yeah I get what you mean however Taylor is the female songwriting blueprint for many young artists we can't take that away from her
@@stargirIll she didn't but the way she tells stories diaristically has surely carried on to many genz artists who have cited her songwriting as a inspiration, including Olivia Rodrigo.
People also did this with lady Gaga and Madonna and was calling Gaga a copy cat. Gaga is her own original and people are starting to do the same thing with Chappell and Gaga comparisons.
“Gaga is her own original “ disagree”. Maybe NOW she is. But her “born this way” documentary was like a CARBON copy of Madonna’s “Truth or Dare” doc. And of course BTW jacks the melody from Madonna’s “Express Yourself”. You can’t deny back in 2009/10 her peak, she was Madonna even with the gun bra. Then she did the Bette Midler mermaid thing. And the Bowie lighting bolt. Gaga was gimmicking everything back then. I prefer her career starting from 2014..
Honestly, Gaga wasn't like "oRiGinAl". Yes, she was revolutionary and changed the EDM game with that electropop sound but she was absolutely following the Madonna model for like the first 5 years of her career. I remember when she just debuted she said she "never channeled her music for the queer people" and not even 3 years after that, Born This Way came out and she was parading about being bisexual. Just like Madonna, she wore a similar collection of outfits for quite sometime of her career to make an image. She often got involved in religious scandals and she even sampled Madonna's song. Is this not enough proof?
I think that this discourse is a way of paying respects to our elders and for the people that open the gates for other people. Yet, it shouldn't limit the shine and unique-ness of new people and their brand. Great vid 💕
Absolutely! Comparison exist, and it doesn’t always have to be negative. It’s important to pay respect to those who came before and build those structures but we also gotta let newer artists live and make their own name
I’m sorry… Beyoncé did not fail Chloe,… WE failed Chloe! When she came out with her music, people didn’t buy it. People didn’t buy her album. And you can’t say Parkwood wasn’t doing their job because Chloe was on every show performing her butt off and y’all still didn’t buy the music. A record isn’t going to keep putting money in an artist project if you’re not buying the music. Same with Normani; Motivation did not perform well on the charts consistently, neither did Wild Side with Cardi B. So I don’t understand why Beyonce is getting the blame for Chloe’s lack of success when Chloe’s own fans aren’t buying her music.
I also think what’s frustrating about people assuming that it’s Beyoncé’s fault is that people don’t know their full business agreement. Columbia records is also in the equation as well, who may very well be the people who have to approve the budget. And I do agree that fans haven’t been investing or buying Chloe’s music & mind you R&B music for example hasnt been selling as well as other genre’s as of recently. So it has been a hard market to break out into and build this sustainable fan base in the 2020s. If anything, Chloe has been in movies recently and still getting a bag so from a management standpoint it doesn’t sound like parkwood is failing her particularly
Chloe is still pretty unanimously unknown by the masses. Def less about people disliking her music, and more to do with not many people knowing who she is
Its not only stupid but also extremely disrespectful. Imagine working so hard for years and years to build your own name, enduring all the hate, breaking records and making a huge impact and then suddenly some person releases a new song and now they're the "mini you" or "the *insert name* 2.0". Its also really bad when the artist is dead, just let them rest in peace.. Another thing is, everyone is so eager to replace artists like MJ and Britney when they treated the OG so badly
When you put it that way, it does come off super disrespectful foresure because it undermines the success and hardships / impact of the artist before who did a lot of the heavy lifting
@@slaysamereallol I BEEN SAYING THIS! It’s just a slap in the face for those artist that have lived their own experiences and put in the time, that shaped them to be who they are, then someone, not doing any work besides listening to their team of people who only wanna manufacture them to be an artist from prior times, as a cheat code. I’ve been making a conscious effort to ignore the ones who are purposely being pushed as someone else to build themselves up. I’d rather support artist with individuality.
Yasss and it also gets so tiring when fans starts fighting who is wrong and who is right, which frankly in this case I don't think anyone would be right, cuz its subjective and constant comparison is just not great (and like its not that serious, let them grow to be their own spotlight 😭) and I really thought we're all just saying it for fun, but it seems like alot people are truely influenced by the constant idea too the point that they don't really see the artists they are a fan of anymore but the compared version instead 😬
The only new artist that i'm really excited about and think really has her own style is Doechii. She pulls her inspo from the greatest but really makes ieverything her own unique exciting sound.
The difference is that many movies nowadays are better than Marilyn Monroe films. She was a mediocre actor and her movies were not that great. Whereas musicians and songs from the past are better than musicians and songs today (I'm not saying it's bad today, but the difference can be heard)
The comparisons are very much like sports. People compare you to the greats then get mad when you don’t live up to it. Not everyone can be LeBron or Jordan, just like everyone can’t be MJ or Prince.
I realized that branding through nostalgia can be both beneficial and damaging to newer artists because the identity that one chooses to have is overshadowed due to the attachment of their predecessors. Granted, I think comparisons can be interesting, but they are very incongruent and sometimes slightly dangerous for an artist’s career. I will never forget Normani’s interview with Zane Lowe where she broke down in tears because of the immense pressure to match the high expectations that fans wanted from her. For newer artists, I always root for them because they’re persistently navigating to find themselves, especially early in their careers. That time is always the most crucial, and the general public tends to know where to place in them. Great video! 😁😁
Yes! That's why I can't fully knock newer artists for leaning into that in order to grow a base but I do think it unfortunately has a time limit. If you don't strike & build your own niche while you have the eyes and momentum, you unfortunatley become branded with that. And it can follow you around for the rest of your career.
The interesting thing about Chloe and Halle is that, tbh they have gotten a ton of promotion over the years. Like their last album together, they were performing at everything from their tennis court lol. Chloe has performed at the BETs GLAAD, Coachella, VMAs etc., She has been put infront of a ton of people to do what she does well, and she was amazing. Somehow it just didn't seem to translate though. It doesn't seem to have been for a lack of trying though.
This is literally what Taylor swifts song Clara bow is about “You look like Stevie nicks in 75 the hair and lips the crowd goes wild at your finger tips” and “You look like Taylor Swift in this light we’re lovin* it you’ve got edge she never did the futures bright, dazzling” Literally replacing artists with a new one once their cycle is up
@@tonieandrade2073 honestly yeah I was thinking Taylor swift but currently Katie perry she had one ☝️ song blow up on its own then reappeared with Taylor
@@georgia_amoorefan lyrically it does feel like Katy tho 😭 the sexy quirks she implores in her music is the exact sane quirks Katy would implore in her music. Dumb and poetic is basically your so gay.
A great example is Madonna & Lady Gaga. In the first few years of her career, Lady Gaga was constantly being referred to as ‘the new Madonna’, ‘the new Queen Of Pop’ etc. - to the point where even Madonna would be forced to address the comparisons in interviews. It was inescapable
This!! And it’s funny bc when you give people time they can build their own legacy. When I think of Lady Gaga especially now, I only think of her. I’ve never thought madonna
@@CamrynSuzanne, exactly! And nów Chapelle Roan is deemed next Gaga, but she's so much different. Maybe common denominator could be queer culture, flashy costumes, big voices, playing instruments
Girl, there are plenty of other artists (even some more successful than Sabrina) that have branded themselves around campy, tongue-in-cheek, glamour girl. Nothing about Sabrina is genuinely original/never been done before. Even just talking about other 4'11" pop stars, Kylie Minogue comes to mind as someone who has heavily influenced Sabrina - particularly the 2000 light years era. Like go watch Kylie Minogue's "please stay" (beginning to end), and tell me that's not aesthetically the same exact thing Sabrina is currently going for - just 25 years older. The plot for the please please please video also feels narratively the exact same as the "some kind of bliss" music video.
I think ppl need to talk about how they respond when it comes to artists, when a new artist is inspired by an older one& you can easily tell, more people are likely to engage with it (whether it be good or bad). But when an artist does something more original, it’s crickets most of the time. If an artist sees that people are responding to a specific thing, theyre gonna want to keep doing that or stuff similar so they can keep that engagement. But then you get those same people coming at them because theyre not doing anything “original” now.
The comparisons are all crazy, but the one who people will not dare to compare with is miss Whitney Houston! There will never be another voice like hers.
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Olivia really is so talented & i'm glad she's now finding her own niche, style & place in the music industry!! Taylor tried to brand Olivia as a copycat but Olivia overcame it!!
I feel like culture/artistry doesn't exist in a vacuum - everyone is influenced by someone because their artistry was shaped by those inspirations. Would Britney be the same without Janet (her actual musical mother) or Beyonce without Donna Summer and Mariah, or even Madonna without Cher or Debbie Harry? It's important to understand that you're walking a path someone has paved for you, but interpreting it in an intrinsic way is equally important.
It seems like a combo of few things. 1) originality is expensive & risky. 2) music executives are looking for ready made who can sell fast & right now. 3) lack of a true artist development.
I'm so happy you talked about this because there's so many layers. Personally, I don't mind a comparison or a reference if it's approached with respect and maturity. These days, stans want to use the whole "mother" and "daughters/sons" as a way to humble new artists and take away from their sucess. You have half of a fandom trying to claim an artist in a "mini-me" type of way (which I think can be limiting and stifling) and the other half is threatend and reduce newer artists to carbon copies. That's why we always see discussions like "they don't make stars like they use to" or "music used to be actually interesting" etc. To me it's just nostalgia and stans not wanting their fave to be replaced. For example, Sabrina sonically and lyrically has developed her own style. Her sound is pop country-ish, retro and her writing displays her sexulity and sense of humour in a way that neither Taylor OR Ariana do. So to reduce her to a mini-me or carbon copy just disregards her artistry. Normani similarly was named the "Next Beyonce" before she even dropped an album. Fans saw a rising artist who could sing and dance and felt they had to either claim her as their fave's daughter or reduce her to an imitator. The funny part when her album did drop, the visuals(?) nor the music, gave Beyonce (apart from little secrets which was an obvious reference). Normani does show respect to artists that came before her but I think people confuse her giving legends their flowers as trying to copy their formula. Theres way more examples of fans running with the mother accusations like Chappel and Lady Gaga, Olivia and Taylor/Avril, Chloe and Beyonce, Tyla and Rihanna even Shawn Mendes and Ed Sheeran lmao. As a kpop fan I see it even worse sometimes because achievements are hyperfixated on and everyone is accused of copying someone. At the end of the day we need to give artists the space to explore themselves and develop. That also means being less defensive with our faves. A big reason why newer artists find it hard to break through is because fans reject them before they can prove themselves because of nostalgia and wanting to keep their faves in the forefront. Anyways, sorry for the long comment but I just wanted to add my two cents.
been loving the longer discussions! i always had a icky feeling when the son or daughter is brought up, as an artist im sure being compared in that moment feels nice but the expectations don’t get any better.. it can be dis motivation for newer artists but i wish they could have their own staples or “brands” to branch off. love you girl💗
I'll definitely do more longer vids when the topic calls for it! I love it to because no stone goes left unturned. I agree that in the long run though, the comparisons end up hurting more than helping (especially if you're compared to a legend). It's a double edged sword all the way! and thank you always for watchinggg💖
The convos are relevant because of consumerism and capitalism. Pop = popular culture Hip hop = new movement Both when mixed to capitalism means that “if you are not making the machine money, look young, do what the machine wants, we move the momentum machine to replace you.” This gives an extra motive for the labels to continue to be conservative in their artist selection (with little risk because they are just recreating sht that’s already worked). Not to mention each generation wanting to “feel special” (every time a top 10 rapper from this era drops an album it’s “an instant classic”).
exactly! Unfortunately making music isn't free, it's a business. So they're often going to go with the safe option or maybe try to follow a blueprint of what worked before because they're more secure in the investment. It's sad that it has become that so heavily but capitalism is nearly inescapable.
@@CamrynSuzanne that plus working with women (groups & pop/r&b artists) cost soooooo much more (choreography, lighting, hair, nails, multiple attires, diet/workouts, security, background dancers/singers, vocal coaching, production (mixing, mastering, clearing samples, writers), touring and everything else. Another great vid, thanks for being active in the comments*
Just like I hate how people compare the newer rap girls' sale numbers to Nicki's sale numbers as if she hasn't had a decade-long career over all of them!
Yes that floors me bc nicki has a decade + on many of the new female rappers! I don’t fully expect new girls like Glo for example to be selling 150k + first week likee😭
@@CamrynSuzanneOmg Thank You! and what happened to albums and music growing with the times? Everything isn't a over night success some things just age like fine wine! Ella Mai "Boo'd Up" was out for 2 years before it blew up on the radio and she won a grammy for the song!
@@RamboQuellz new artists are supposed to have higher sales, clout, and attention than a artist who started 15 years ago. Comparing sales number is important because rap is a sport. It’s supposed to be competitive, fun, and creative. Sadly the new aged girls can’t spell creativity, originality, or longevity. Nicki was literally pushing herself and worked for her success. Sadly the new young ladies do not want to put in 2/10 of the effort she put in. The Barbz only go hard for Nicki because she worked hard to create authentic and new sounding music year, after year. Plus the most craziest part is Nicki gives 8/10 new female rappers verses while not charging them what she should be! Then later gets dissed and when she retaliates they call her dramatic. As you can tell I have been a Nicki fan since I was 9. Imagine her still being fabulous while I am now 22 almost 23. Her new and old music hits. PLUS SONING PPL is Nicki’s words. Everyone uses her lingo. She constantly sets trends while the other girls just do the same tired emotes everyday. BIG DIFFERENCE.
@@Misssweetiiepiie yea, you can tell you're very young cause Nicki didn't set any trends in female hip-hop at all. Have you ever heard of Lil Kim? Foxy Brown? All the greats that came before her? She didn't even start rapping and singing, which was Queen latifah and Lauryn Hill, who started that wave. Calling girls her son? Remy Ma started that before she was sentenced to prison. Dabbling in a more pop sound, Lisa Left was going in that direction with her career, but unfortunately, she passed. Gotta do your research, love, and you will see Nicki really didn't start anything she's just very commercially successful
@@Misssweetiiepiie you're also not acknowledging the time period we are in now with technology and social media people's attention span isn't the same anymore we aren't in those times where the industry picked who we are supposed to like as in artist due to social media people have different outlets to multiple artist plus illegal downloads people don't pay for music anymore
As much as I love Beyonce, I noticed that people haven't done Brandy’s family musical tree. So here is who I came up with: Oldest Daughter: Summer Walker Middle Daughter: Ariana Grande Youngest Daughter: Sabrina Carpenter Niece: SZA Son: Chris Brown
omg THANK you for this video already… really don’t feel like new artists have space to do their own thing since there’s so much bias towards nostalgia!
Cami you did it again! It’s inevitable that when a new artist arrives on the scene, and to be compared to someone already established. It has a lot to do with frames of references and where to categorize them. When Mariah came out she was instantly compared to Whitney to the point they both had to clear up those comparisons in interviews, but as Mariah grew and EVOLVED into her own, those comparisons paled into oblivion! I think that’s where a lot of these artists of today go wrong. Absolutely nothing wrong with citing your influences and who you’re inspired by, but if you wear those influences too long you then become “a wannabe, a cheap knock-off, or a carbon copy of that artist”. For instance the comparisons between Chris and MJ, I think a lot of ppl over exaggerate it to an extent 👀, yes he’s talented, but the magic, ambition, vision, drive, Michael exuded is inimitable ✨⭐️✨ We need originality again!
@@CamrynSuzanne yeah I was shocked and back then Beyonce took voice lessons from Tina Turner herself. So, that's why I was like Janet where? I love Janet by the way but her daughter's are literal Aaliyah, Britney, etc. I've been in this era growing up and seen everything which is why I was like ooooh lord y'all new new (not you of course) but the discord is crazy work
This gotta be one of my favorite videos of yours!!! Taking inspiration is great, but everything you said was facts. we gotta give the nee artist time to have their moments both with music and without.
When watching this video I kept thinking about the Taylor Swift songs “Clara Bow” and “Nothing New.” Both songs touch on how Taylor feels that she’s a cog in the music industry machine and will eventually be replaced
This is like the tenth comment Ive seen like this. Female artists have been talking about agism and replacement in the industry LITERAL decades now. Taylor's song provides little to no new introspection on the matter whatsoever.
This also happens in k-pop like how TXT was always compared to BTS when they debuted 5 years ago for being on the same label. Or how BlackPink was the new 2NE1 when they got disbanded it's an endless cycle I fear
but I don't think it had anything to do with the music unlike these pop stars who have completely adopted the style as their own New jeans were also called Sister of BTS By MHJ but only because they debuted in same company. ignore my grammar mistakes pls
i think that the tyla and rihanna comparison is very accurate in just the place that tyla holds in the industry as it’s a place rihanna once held but sonically are NOTHING alike😭 but i do think that sabrina is definitely ariana’s daughter 🤌
I don’t think Tate McRae is the new Britney but I do believe she’s the first “Tate McRae”. Comparison is inevitable but I think it’s always important to let an artist define themselves with time and let them cook for a bit.
I agree, and I do think Tate is uber talented foresure. I do think however that she’ll probably wanna be super intentional moving forward on drawing less brit comparison in her music vids and fashion choices just so she can carve out her lane early on while she has a lot of eyes on her
I just finished the video (had to pause because of work) and i totally agree that people take the musical children thing to seriously versus taking it light and subjective because it does erase these newer artists careers and accomplishments regardless if they pull from others for inspiration and when they do try to pay homage or create a new moment fans, stans and the GP WILL ALWAYS COMPARE THEM TO ARTIST OF YESTERYEAR NO MATTER WHAT! It’s a shame too because these girls and some guys are really talented and just need a chance.
I do agree that fans can be a large part of the problem! The mother daughter convo can be fun in theory but people really beef in the comments over who's the 1st, 2nd and 3rd vs. moving on at a certain point
@@CamrynSuzanne yes and i totally agree with your point that the Western world especially America is in this nostalgic tunnel vision type of viewpoint and in all honesty I’m tired of it.
Wish I had an intellectual comment to offer. But you’ve pretty much expressed my thoughts on the topic. So I’m here to say I love you bby! Love your videos! 🫶🏾🖤
When it comes to Britney Spears, the reason why I think people used to call her the "New Age Madonna" is because her level of fame was so huge in the 2000s that it was even compared to how huge Madonna was back in the 80s, not to mention that there wasn't a young female artist that was doing Pop music at the time, R&B and Alternative Rock was all the rage, and the boyband and girlgroup craze was at its peak back in the 90s so when Britney debuted with ...Baby One More Time, she brought back Pop music in a big way (hence why Britney Spears is deservedly known as The Princess of Pop) but other than that, when it comes to her music, stage presence, dancing skills and techniques, Britney Spears was always influenced by Janet Jackson, which is something that even Britney herself has admitted several times.
You’re right on the money. Anytime I see anyone in this video that was mentioned I kind of just right them off as a cringey tribute act and don’t even bother listening to their music. It’s like why listen to great value music when the real thing is right there. (With the exception of ChloexHalle and tyla.) I don’t get the Sabrina and Ariana comparisons. But I also only heard the girl sing on Christina aguileras 20th anniversary of what a girl wants and she has a country twang in her voice. Idk if it’s natural or not but it’s not very Ariana to me. Side note: the editing in this video is s-tier.
Yeah some of these artists mentioned foresure lean into the comparison while others genuinely don’t want it but I definitely think originality is lacking more than before in music, movies, everything honestly 🥲also thank you so much! I spent a lot of time on the editing
I remember when Stan twt folks were calling Madison Beer Ariana’s replacement due to their similar fashion sense and then Madison finally released her album and the conversations stopped cuz they realized Madison and Ariana make COMPLETELY DIFFERENT music!
Anothet amazing one for the books. I had been thinking about this and I love how you put everything without it sounding like a slander fest. Like yea Nostalgia sells and we love having lightbulb moments when we recognize a sample or interpolation BUT I don’t think thats a reason to start discrediting an artist before they’ve had a full chance to grow and shine.
You are literally my RUclips BFF when it comes to topics and conversations because if I had friends these are definitely the things we would be talking about ❤ Okay back to the topic of the video lol as someone who grew up in the early 2000s loving Britney Spears so I'm not comparing the two but Yes I do think Ms Tate is definitely her "daughter" Tate is hungry for this just like Britney was in her prime.🌟
Awe!!😊😊 glad we can have these conversations in the comments and through my videos. I also do agree that I see some similarities foresure but I just hate when people say the 2nd coming😭
Personally I think Olivia’s Paramore inspired song was the one that really put her on the map. Olivia is an amalgamation of various artists not just Taylor.
Yeah, it’s just that that comparison was put on a pedestal especially because Taylor is Olivia’s idol. I think a lot of people made a big deal out of that
@@CamrynSuzanne Definitely I was commenting while watching the video but after I watched the complete video I understood why she was labeled as Taylor’s son.
First off, I want to say that I really enjoy your videos! Thank you! ❤❤❤ I never liked the comparison of female artists and the industry LOVES to compare, it’s so unfair. I hope that the female artists of today show their true authentic self, we don’t need carbon copies. 🙅🏽♀️
Thank you so much for watching!! And yes it’s so unfortunate how the industry, media and fans even immediately compare and in turn create unnecessary competition. I’m also on the side where I think some of the newer power pop stars are leaning way too much into the comparison
When I first saw Sabrina Carpenter it was in the nonsense music video. I thought it was cute but kinda bland pop. But the more I’ve seen of her, the more I’ve been impressed. I’m sure she’s someone’s “daughter” but for the most part she’s been very refreshing and I enjoy her as a pop artist who does not try to survive in the industry based on nostalgia. Where Olivia Rodrigo is concerned, I like Guts a lot more than Sour because she distances herself from the “Taylor Swift” sound. Guts feels more like her and who she is as an artist. Can’t wait for the third album.
Yess, i really liked nonsense but it didn’t really keep me hooked. Feather had me leaning forward in my seat & then I heard honey moon fades & fast car and was like wait…there’s something here fr👀 and i agree she really has been refreshing and trying to create her own lane
i’ve been waiting for a discussion like this ! okay , so here’s a list of all the main pop girls that we grew up with. main : beyoncé rihanna nicki minaj lady gaga adele taylor swift katy perry alternative : lorde lana del rey from show to music : ariana grande demi lovato selena gomez miley cyrus and honestly , i don’t think there’s been a single one that has came close to either of them ( well maybe doja cat ). especially i feel like at the least , nobody has ever came close to an adele , and probably never will.
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Looking lovely in the ad! Love your smile!
I can’t fathom how people actually believe that chris brown is the 2nd coming of Michael jackson. It’s ridiculous
they think just cuz he can “dance” and “sing” makes him like MJ but MJ wasn’t just that, like half of Chris’ music sounds exactly the same, he has no artistic growth like Michael did, he isn’t breaking records like he did, he doesn’t have the cultural impact MJ does, even with his “controversy” Michael is still respected, the same can not be said for Chris
Yeah I really don’t get it😅
@@kithe304THANK YOU!!!!!
@@kithe304 also Chris, himself, has said that he disagrees with the comparison.
I never understood that , like they are no comparison's at all not even close no shade to Chriss
Comparing Chris Brown to Michael Jackson just because they both dance is actually insanity 😭
Like what an insult to MJ😂😂😂
If we’re speaking about Talent I understand, but obviously music wise it’s astronomical difference
@@VonHearvey Nah but music is part of the "talent". Comparing Michael Jackson to anyone is an absolute abomination😂😂😂
@@Salome_Sola litteraly the worse non-religous sin
this is highkey becoming a problem with all forms of entertainment nowadays, film these days is full of reimaginations and reboots
Absolutely, it’s becoming exhausting. On the other hand, I do understand that entertainers and movie studios, writers I try to do whatever they can to make their coin and unfortunately this nostalgia thing sells😭
@@CamrynSuzannebecause yall complain so much
This is why I love artists like Billie Eilish, pink pantheres, Halle Bailey, and sza because they are actually known as their own artists and not relying on their inspiration 100% on their career
I was JUST thinking about Billie Eilish specifically, I can’t really think of anyone she fully reminds me of. I’ve never found myself comparing her to anyone
People love to call Billie Eilish Lana del Rey's daughter but I think her artistry is completely different to Lana del Rey even though she is very inspired by Lana del rey and can be referenced in Lana's sphere of influence.
@@CamrynSuzannePls. The whispering edgy sound sounded better on ALLIE X, LORDE and AURORA. Member being so mad when she started blowing up and people calling her original.. original where? Her sound has been overdone for a decade.
@@TheMG20089 Folks have compared Halle to Solange but more so of their personalities.
@@CamrynSuzanne she’s Avirl Lavigne’s daughter
I’m glad Olivia stopped fangirling, it would of just hurt her in the long run. And I’m seated for what she’ll do in her third album.
Exactly and Olivia is taking the rock pop route
Yes, and to reiterate I do think she was just genuinely a huge taylor fan and was geeked at the thought of her being a peer but it definitely has paid off that she’s made separation from the taylor comparisons and really doing her own thing
@@CamrynSuzanne definitely!!! I think your point came across well.
@@yumyumyum1238 speaking of Olivia, wouldn't she be Hayley Williams’ daughter too? People have compared Good For You to Misery Business (and did mashups for it).
@@christinebelzie194so to an extent yes but I guess since she didn’t start off as a pop rock artist until guts she got compared to Taylor since they wrote in a similar diaristic way
Tyla comparison to rihanna is crazy.
I mildly get where people are coming from but in no world do they need to be compared, tyla is already on her own unique journey. And rih with always be rih
Tyla is a little bit better. Rihanna can barely sing and dance.
Only because both are foreign cuties that had a mix of their culture and R&B they are different.
Girl it is so crazzy tyla just doesnt have that creative reach her music does not compare to Rihanna this far atleast we dont know what the puppet master have and are even planing for her . The comparison to me is morr based on attaching tyla to a figure and alingning her to some Rihanna trade marks and it worked coz look at the other African female pop stars they do get as much attention as her coz they are not sold as the next _ so it was a great move
@@HappyGanyazaagain tyla can dance and sing she’s still young she’ll probably get better
I think doja successfully broke out from her comparisons to nicki by acknowledging it but also her music was still very doja and she had the talent to move past the comparisons and let her be her own star by creating moments like demons etc (even if the reaction was mixed on it)
Yeah, I would agree. She got a lot of those comparisons early on and like you said acknowledged it but you can tell that she's not afraid to be experimental and march to the beat her own drum which I think benefited her heavily.
It's a nostalgia problem.
That’s always the culprit
Yup some people are stuck in the past
People wouldn’t be so nostalgic if the present wasn’t lacking.
@@cloudsurfer73 the same thing happens every decade and people say oh we miss the old times and the same people say the same thing every decade and some of them are 50 years old
@@doranicolaou9173this is true, i grew up in the 2000s and i remember thinking how much better the 90s were and now i’m reminiscing over the 2000s and even early 2010s …
Everybody wants to compare artists and put a certain time frame on their art and when they can be relevant, it’s ridiculous
And it seems like we never learn our lesson🥲
people are QUICK to announce someone's "flop" era when the single has only been released a day. like, let a comeback breathe. let an album marinate in your mind a little. how many artists were scorned during their day for coming out with something new, strange, or even "uninspired" and those songs have gone on to become certified legends?
you can't put a timeline on art APPRECIATION. perceptions of music and artists will constantly change. It's embarrassing to spell someone's doom before you've given them a chance to succeed
It seems like an insult to their artistry, I just can't do it
@@A2daM2daZThis! I’ll never forget people calling Dopamine a flop and it had only been out for 12 days.
Especially with how immediately as Tyla was trending for the VS fashion show, people started comparing her performance to Rihanna's so much that Rihanna started trending too
That is a perfect example of this topic fr, i didn’t even know rih was trending bc of it😳
I never understood the Rihanna comparison. Just because Tyla looks "exotic" doesn't mean she is the next Rihanna. Not even Tyla's music and style feel Rihanna
@@PhilisiweLanga-nv6pw exactly, it doesn’t make sense to compare two different people from different times and different cultures 🤣 Rihanna is her own woman, Tyla is her own woman too, claiming rih’s performance was better makes no sense, they’re different people with different upbringing’s. If it were Rihanna 2013 vs Rihanna 2014 it would be up for comparison😭
This! Her doing a simple walk, dancing is always compared to Ri. People saying she will always be superior. Tyla has started mentioning her less cause at the end she wants to create her own lane and she is introducing amapiano to the global world. It just sets unrealistic standards.
I don't know how but Olivia Rodrigo managed to escape the clutches of being forever branded as Taylor's daughter and is very clearly able to stand on her own. She is undeniably the Taylor of the generation in the sense of her being the breakout teen music starnand songwriter
Yesss she in real time has broken out of that mold despite being heavily tied to Taylor when she first hit the mainstream, i definitely respect it!
She’s better than Taylor honestly no shade. Better vocals and more versatile in my opinion
@@negressprincess "she's got edge you never did the future's bright dazzling" this is what Taylor said on Clara bow about comparison between her and up and coming artists.
But yeah I get what you mean however Taylor is the female songwriting blueprint for many young artists we can't take that away from her
@@aobakwekeatlhomile8226 eh i don't think taylor invented songwriting
@@stargirIll she didn't but the way she tells stories diaristically has surely carried on to many genz artists who have cited her songwriting as a inspiration, including Olivia Rodrigo.
People also did this with lady Gaga and Madonna and was calling Gaga a copy cat. Gaga is her own original and people are starting to do the same thing with Chappell and Gaga comparisons.
Why did i completely forget that they were trying to brand Chappell as Gaga's protege?! see it's a never ending cycle
“Gaga is her own original “ disagree”. Maybe NOW she is. But her “born this way” documentary was like a CARBON copy of Madonna’s “Truth or Dare” doc. And of course BTW jacks the melody from Madonna’s “Express Yourself”. You can’t deny back in 2009/10 her peak, she was Madonna even with the gun bra. Then she did the Bette Midler mermaid thing. And the Bowie lighting bolt. Gaga was gimmicking everything back then. I prefer her career starting from 2014..
Honestly, Gaga wasn't like "oRiGinAl". Yes, she was revolutionary and changed the EDM game with that electropop sound but she was absolutely following the Madonna model for like the first 5 years of her career. I remember when she just debuted she said she "never channeled her music for the queer people" and not even 3 years after that, Born This Way came out and she was parading about being bisexual. Just like Madonna, she wore a similar collection of outfits for quite sometime of her career to make an image. She often got involved in religious scandals and she even sampled Madonna's song. Is this not enough proof?
@@lessismore8533There is no Born This Way documentary. The tour for that album was never filmed and released. So what are you talking about?
camryn suzanne 2024 youtube run will be studied for generations
You think so?👀 thank you!!
all debates aside god damn Hasley would kill it as a cosplayer
No forreal, like the facial expressions, the lighting, the accuracy
I think that this discourse is a way of paying respects to our elders and for the people that open the gates for other people. Yet, it shouldn't limit the shine and unique-ness of new people and their brand. Great vid 💕
Absolutely! Comparison exist, and it doesn’t always have to be negative. It’s important to pay respect to those who came before and build those structures but we also gotta let newer artists live and make their own name
Some of these artists are purposefully doing this, for sure.
I doo agree with at as well😳 we’d be naive to think that some of them weren’t using it as apart of their strategy
@@360Beezyno she didnt, give it a rest. It sounds nothing like doja cat
@@vickybabadoo9927 Lol.. oookkkk.
@@360Beezy How did you come up with that idea
@@melodyShaffronICHILLIN_fan By hearing Doja. Then I heard Sabrina. TA-DAH!
Camryn is back with another hot one . Let these new artists be THEMSELVES. These newbies being set up for failure calling them "the new so and so".
You already knoo☺️☺️ completely agree, it hurts everyone in the long run and creates unrealistic expectations that are almost impossible to meet up to
I’m sorry… Beyoncé did not fail Chloe,… WE failed Chloe! When she came out with her music, people didn’t buy it. People didn’t buy her album. And you can’t say Parkwood wasn’t doing their job because Chloe was on every show performing her butt off and y’all still didn’t buy the music. A record isn’t going to keep putting money in an artist project if you’re not buying the music. Same with Normani; Motivation did not perform well on the charts consistently, neither did Wild Side with Cardi B. So I don’t understand why Beyonce is getting the blame for Chloe’s lack of success when Chloe’s own fans aren’t buying her music.
I also think what’s frustrating about people assuming that it’s Beyoncé’s fault is that people don’t know their full business agreement. Columbia records is also in the equation as well, who may very well be the people who have to approve the budget. And I do agree that fans haven’t been investing or buying Chloe’s music & mind you R&B music for example hasnt been selling as well as other genre’s as of recently. So it has been a hard market to break out into and build this sustainable fan base in the 2020s. If anything, Chloe has been in movies recently and still getting a bag so from a management standpoint it doesn’t sound like parkwood is failing her particularly
Chloe is still pretty unanimously unknown by the masses. Def less about people disliking her music, and more to do with not many people knowing who she is
Its not only stupid but also extremely disrespectful. Imagine working so hard for years and years to build your own name, enduring all the hate, breaking records and making a huge impact and then suddenly some person releases a new song and now they're the "mini you" or "the *insert name* 2.0". Its also really bad when the artist is dead, just let them rest in peace.. Another thing is, everyone is so eager to replace artists like MJ and Britney when they treated the OG so badly
When you put it that way, it does come off super disrespectful foresure because it undermines the success and hardships / impact of the artist before who did a lot of the heavy lifting
@@slaysamereallol I BEEN SAYING THIS! It’s just a slap in the face for those artist that have lived their own experiences and put in the time, that shaped them to be who they are, then someone, not doing any work besides listening to their team of people who only wanna manufacture them to be an artist from prior times, as a cheat code. I’ve been making a conscious effort to ignore the ones who are purposely being pushed as someone else to build themselves up. I’d rather support artist with individuality.
Yasss and it also gets so tiring when fans starts fighting who is wrong and who is right, which frankly in this case I don't think anyone would be right, cuz its subjective and constant comparison is just not great (and like its not that serious, let them grow to be their own spotlight 😭) and I really thought we're all just saying it for fun, but it seems like alot people are truely influenced by the constant idea too the point that they don't really see the artists they are a fan of anymore but the compared version instead 😬
Mariah Carey been said this but people laughed at her and tried to call her bitter.
The only new artist that i'm really excited about and think really has her own style is Doechii. She pulls her inspo from the greatest but really makes ieverything her own unique exciting sound.
she has such a famous name aswell
I love doechii
I remember like months ago I made a family tree of the pop & r&b girls & when I say Janet & Mariah have thousands of sons......
Omgg i need to see this family tree!! It’s kinda genius when trying to pinpoint influence
Mariah is Whitney’s son sooo…
@@SideEyeee_ whitney is her big sister......
@@melad3000 clock it
Where? Can we see it?
This is my problem with critics in every industry. Like you can like a new movie without comparing it to a marylin monroe film.
Yesss they’re always making unnecessary or cheap comparisons
The difference is that many movies nowadays are better than Marilyn Monroe films. She was a mediocre actor and her movies were not that great. Whereas musicians and songs from the past are better than musicians and songs today (I'm not saying it's bad today, but the difference can be heard)
...unless the new movie is purposefully referencing or re-creating a Marilyn Monroe film and passing it off as original content...
britney herself as stated in plenty interviews her influence was janet jackson
yeah it's not that she didn't say but the media for a long while did not acknowledge it in the way the madonna comparison were discussed
@@CamrynSuzanne true!!!
The comparisons are very much like sports. People compare you to the greats then get mad when you don’t live up to it. Not everyone can be LeBron or Jordan, just like everyone can’t be MJ or Prince.
I realized that branding through nostalgia can be both beneficial and damaging to newer artists because the identity that one chooses to have is overshadowed due to the attachment of their predecessors. Granted, I think comparisons can be interesting, but they are very incongruent and sometimes slightly dangerous for an artist’s career. I will never forget Normani’s interview with Zane Lowe where she broke down in tears because of the immense pressure to match the high expectations that fans wanted from her.
For newer artists, I always root for them because they’re persistently navigating to find themselves, especially early in their careers. That time is always the most crucial, and the general public tends to know where to place in them.
Great video! 😁😁
Yes! That's why I can't fully knock newer artists for leaning into that in order to grow a base but I do think it unfortunately has a time limit. If you don't strike & build your own niche while you have the eyes and momentum, you unfortunatley become branded with that. And it can follow you around for the rest of your career.
Long story short...
🎵We are family 🎵😂
Exactly 😂
This the earliest I’ve ever been and I was already in the middle of watching one of your shorts 😭😂
You're the realest!!
Lmao, the title of this video eats.
Ahh! Glad you like, I was debating changing it because I wasn’t sure if it made sense
The interesting thing about Chloe and Halle is that, tbh they have gotten a ton of promotion over the years. Like their last album together, they were performing at everything from their tennis court lol. Chloe has performed at the BETs GLAAD, Coachella, VMAs etc., She has been put infront of a ton of people to do what she does well, and she was amazing. Somehow it just didn't seem to translate though. It doesn't seem to have been for a lack of trying though.
Yeah chloe and halle are hard workers and were everywhere so I agree there must be something else going on
This is literally what Taylor swifts song Clara bow is about
“You look like Stevie nicks in 75 the hair and lips the crowd goes wild at your finger tips” and
“You look like Taylor Swift in this light we’re lovin* it you’ve got edge she never did the futures bright, dazzling”
Literally replacing artists with a new one once their cycle is up
The tweet that read, “The Mya erasure is crazy” because stopped playing with her.
she is severely left out of conversations for sure
1:00 no cz i literally paused the video in astonishment and audacity of the diagram, and then your caption popped up 😭😭😭
😂
When i was gathering images for this video, I saw it and had to add bc it was that ridiculous 😂😂
Sabrina Carpenter gave… Sabrina Carpenter.
She gave Katy Perry tbh
imo she’s not as authentic as yall paint her out to be. She gen just this generations Katy Perry.
@@tonieandrade2073 honestly yeah I was thinking Taylor swift but currently Katie perry she had one ☝️ song blow up on its own then reappeared with Taylor
@@tonieandrade2073 I don’t really see it lmao😭😭 like idk she doesn’t give her vocally, lyrically, etc. she just knows how to make hits
@@georgia_amoorefan lyrically it does feel like Katy tho 😭 the sexy quirks she implores in her music is the exact sane quirks Katy would implore in her music. Dumb and poetic is basically your so gay.
You’ve easily become one of my favorite RUclipsrs
Wow that means a lot🙏🏽🙏🏽
Janet Jackson was always in living in the shadow of not of Madonna but her brother. Michael was the king of pop and Madonna was it's queen.
Speaking of daughters, you could be Tony's from Girlfriends..🥰🥰
😮 oh I see it !!! Tony was that see girl!!!!
I could huh?😂😂
A great example is Madonna & Lady Gaga. In the first few years of her career, Lady Gaga was constantly being referred to as ‘the new Madonna’, ‘the new Queen Of Pop’ etc. - to the point where even Madonna would be forced to address the comparisons in interviews. It was inescapable
This!! And it’s funny bc when you give people time they can build their own legacy. When I think of Lady Gaga especially now, I only think of her. I’ve never thought madonna
They are related
@@CamrynSuzanne, exactly! And nów Chapelle Roan is deemed next Gaga, but she's so much different. Maybe common denominator could be queer culture, flashy costumes, big voices, playing instruments
The Ariana and Sabrina comparisons is so confusing to me. If anything I see Sabrina carving out her own path than trying to emulate anyone
same
@@alishamertelus1340 for real. They don’t look or sound anything alike
Girl, there are plenty of other artists (even some more successful than Sabrina) that have branded themselves around campy, tongue-in-cheek, glamour girl. Nothing about Sabrina is genuinely original/never been done before. Even just talking about other 4'11" pop stars, Kylie Minogue comes to mind as someone who has heavily influenced Sabrina - particularly the 2000 light years era. Like go watch Kylie Minogue's "please stay" (beginning to end), and tell me that's not aesthetically the same exact thing Sabrina is currently going for - just 25 years older. The plot for the please please please video also feels narratively the exact same as the "some kind of bliss" music video.
There's an old saying that still rings true: Great artists steal and make it their own
I think ppl need to talk about how they respond when it comes to artists, when a new artist is inspired by an older one& you can easily tell, more people are likely to engage with it (whether it be good or bad). But when an artist does something more original, it’s crickets most of the time. If an artist sees that people are responding to a specific thing, theyre gonna want to keep doing that or stuff similar so they can keep that engagement. But then you get those same people coming at them because theyre not doing anything “original” now.
This is really a good convo forreal, comparing has been taken too far
It’s really been so prevalent lately with so many new pop stars on the rise, i’m like “have we learned ANYTHING?!”
I swear pop artists mostly women are constantly compared to each other. It's like just let them be them.
Yep, it most notably happens with women because people are so eager to push the "younger" "fresher" "prettiest" person over the longevity
“vocally similar.. occasionally” 😭 pls i was like huh??
In real time i was like nahhhhhh maybe not
sabrina's lower range is stronger so i don't get the comparison either
The comparisons are all crazy, but the one who people will not dare to compare with is miss Whitney Houston! There will never be another voice like hers.
You’re videos are sooooo good. I appreciate and respect your edits and style. Your references and your receipts make all your videos credible. From displaying real online comments to real articles/video clips so you can prove your points and backing up what your arguments… you’re my go to source and my FAVORITE content creator. I appreciate you and your work.
Oooh! I’m late to the party. I didn’t know the term was called “pop star parent 😂. Thanks for keeping me in the know.
I actually made that little bit up😂 thought pop star parent was a great way to describe how people view the sons and daughters conversation
@@CamrynSuzanne ❤️ the creativity !
I’m in awe in how you’re able to consistently put out quality. Another great video!
Thank you so much! 🥺🥺
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Olivia really is so talented & i'm glad she's now finding her own niche, style & place in the music industry!! Taylor tried to brand Olivia as a copycat but Olivia overcame it!!
@@iiamdiifferentt taylor never did that, she's been really supportive to her at the beggining
@@cristinadaniello7224 she did & it's okay to admit that :)
i blame queen naija
I forgot about thisss 😭😭😭
@@sonderrwonder Why? What did she do?
@@christinebelzie194everythinggg
@@louisaaa2005 lol that’s a bit vague
@@christinebelzie194its a running gag
I feel like culture/artistry doesn't exist in a vacuum - everyone is influenced by someone because their artistry was shaped by those inspirations. Would Britney be the same without Janet (her actual musical mother) or Beyonce without Donna Summer and Mariah, or even Madonna without Cher or Debbie Harry? It's important to understand that you're walking a path someone has paved for you, but interpreting it in an intrinsic way is equally important.
It seems like a combo of few things. 1) originality is expensive & risky.
2) music executives are looking for ready made who can sell fast & right now.
3) lack of a true artist development.
Yep you hit the nail on the head 🔨
I'm so happy you talked about this because there's so many layers. Personally, I don't mind a comparison or a reference if it's approached with respect and maturity. These days, stans want to use the whole "mother" and "daughters/sons" as a way to humble new artists and take away from their sucess. You have half of a fandom trying to claim an artist in a "mini-me" type of way (which I think can be limiting and stifling) and the other half is threatend and reduce newer artists to carbon copies.
That's why we always see discussions like "they don't make stars like they use to" or "music used to be actually interesting" etc. To me it's just nostalgia and stans not wanting their fave to be replaced.
For example, Sabrina sonically and lyrically has developed her own style. Her sound is pop country-ish, retro and her writing displays her sexulity and sense of humour in a way that neither Taylor OR Ariana do. So to reduce her to a mini-me or carbon copy just disregards her artistry.
Normani similarly was named the "Next Beyonce" before she even dropped an album. Fans saw a rising artist who could sing and dance and felt they had to either claim her as their fave's daughter or reduce her to an imitator. The funny part when her album did drop, the visuals(?) nor the music, gave Beyonce (apart from little secrets which was an obvious reference). Normani does show respect to artists that came before her but I think people confuse her giving legends their flowers as trying to copy their formula.
Theres way more examples of fans running with the mother accusations like Chappel and Lady Gaga, Olivia and Taylor/Avril, Chloe and Beyonce, Tyla and Rihanna even Shawn Mendes and Ed Sheeran lmao. As a kpop fan I see it even worse sometimes because achievements are hyperfixated on and everyone is accused of copying someone.
At the end of the day we need to give artists the space to explore themselves and develop. That also means being less defensive with our faves. A big reason why newer artists find it hard to break through is because fans reject them before they can prove themselves because of nostalgia and wanting to keep their faves in the forefront.
Anyways, sorry for the long comment but I just wanted to add my two cents.
been loving the longer discussions! i always had a icky feeling when the son or daughter is brought up, as an artist im sure being compared in that moment feels nice but the expectations don’t get any better.. it can be dis motivation for newer artists but i wish they could have their own staples or “brands” to branch off. love you girl💗
I'll definitely do more longer vids when the topic calls for it! I love it to because no stone goes left unturned. I agree that in the long run though, the comparisons end up hurting more than helping (especially if you're compared to a legend). It's a double edged sword all the way! and thank you always for watchinggg💖
If anything Olivia gives me more Paramore vibes than Taylor. She has Taylor writing style but everything else is Paramore.
There’s a certain rawness Olivia has that distinguishes her from other pop stars.
CHRIS BROWN AS THE SECOND MICHAEL JACKSON IS WILDDDDD 😭😭😭😭
WILLDDD you hear meee
This low key makes Taylor’s Clara Bow hit even harder
Ooohh, I just looked up the lyrics and it definitely does
I would love to see you talk about “nepotism” in the music industry. This topic just made me think of it
CAMRYN you're my new favorite youtuber!
Ahhh thank you!!!😊
I think entertainment industry is facing identity crisis right now
This is a good way to put it!
@@CamrynSuzanne But it is not just happening in USA but other countries around the world as well.
The convos are relevant because of consumerism and capitalism.
Pop = popular culture
Hip hop = new movement
Both when mixed to capitalism means that “if you are not making the machine money, look young, do what the machine wants, we move the momentum machine to replace you.” This gives an extra motive for the labels to continue to be conservative in their artist selection (with little risk because they are just recreating sht that’s already worked).
Not to mention each generation wanting to “feel special” (every time a top 10 rapper from this era drops an album it’s “an instant classic”).
exactly! Unfortunately making music isn't free, it's a business. So they're often going to go with the safe option or maybe try to follow a blueprint of what worked before because they're more secure in the investment. It's sad that it has become that so heavily but capitalism is nearly inescapable.
@@CamrynSuzanne that plus working with women (groups & pop/r&b artists) cost soooooo much more (choreography, lighting, hair, nails, multiple attires, diet/workouts, security, background dancers/singers, vocal coaching, production (mixing, mastering, clearing samples, writers), touring and everything else.
Another great vid, thanks for being active in the comments*
Just like I hate how people compare the newer rap girls' sale numbers to Nicki's sale numbers as if she hasn't had a decade-long career over all of them!
Yes that floors me bc nicki has a decade + on many of the new female rappers! I don’t fully expect new girls like Glo for example to be selling 150k + first week likee😭
@@CamrynSuzanneOmg Thank You! and what happened to albums and music growing with the times? Everything isn't a over night success some things just age like fine wine! Ella Mai "Boo'd Up" was out for 2 years before it blew up on the radio and she won a grammy for the song!
@@RamboQuellz new artists are supposed to have higher sales, clout, and attention than a artist who started 15 years ago. Comparing sales number is important because rap is a sport. It’s supposed to be competitive, fun, and creative. Sadly the new aged girls can’t spell creativity, originality, or longevity. Nicki was literally pushing herself and worked for her success. Sadly the new young ladies do not want to put in 2/10 of the effort she put in. The Barbz only go hard for Nicki because she worked hard to create authentic and new sounding music year, after year. Plus the most craziest part is Nicki gives 8/10 new female rappers verses while not charging them what she should be! Then later gets dissed and when she retaliates they call her dramatic. As you can tell I have been a Nicki fan since I was 9. Imagine her still being fabulous while I am now 22 almost 23. Her new and old music hits. PLUS SONING PPL is Nicki’s words. Everyone uses her lingo. She constantly sets trends while the other girls just do the same tired emotes everyday. BIG DIFFERENCE.
@@Misssweetiiepiie yea, you can tell you're very young cause Nicki didn't set any trends in female hip-hop at all. Have you ever heard of Lil Kim? Foxy Brown? All the greats that came before her? She didn't even start rapping and singing, which was Queen latifah and Lauryn Hill, who started that wave. Calling girls her son? Remy Ma started that before she was sentenced to prison. Dabbling in a more pop sound, Lisa Left was going in that direction with her career, but unfortunately, she passed. Gotta do your research, love, and you will see Nicki really didn't start anything she's just very commercially successful
@@Misssweetiiepiie you're also not acknowledging the time period we are in now with technology and social media people's attention span isn't the same anymore we aren't in those times where the industry picked who we are supposed to like as in artist due to social media people have different outlets to multiple artist plus illegal downloads people don't pay for music anymore
They think bey is jealous of Chloe? That’s crazy
They said that because Chloe has more talents than Bey
@@jujubee6030 but its not true XD Yes Chloe killing it as a Vocalist but Bey is no worse than Chloe
Yeah that’s actually been a theory floating around for a minute
I cracked up
@@voiofmoonlight Chloe has more talents than Bey cuz she can act, produce, write, and play instruments. Something Bey can't do!🤷🏽♀️
I use that Jodie Foster meme liberally in my personal life. So versatile. Back to the video. Thanks Camryn for existing
Thank youu🥹🥹🥹
@@CamrynSuzanne you're welcome. Much luv from Vancouver Island 🌲
As much as I love Beyonce, I noticed that people haven't done Brandy’s family musical tree. So here is who I came up with:
Oldest Daughter: Summer Walker
Middle Daughter: Ariana Grande
Youngest Daughter: Sabrina Carpenter
Niece: SZA
Son: Chris Brown
Brandy is another artist that doesn't get her flowers when she is constantly cited as an inspo for many, especially in r&b. Thee harmony queen!
omg THANK you for this video already… really don’t feel like new artists have space to do their own thing since there’s so much bias towards nostalgia!
I'm so happy I made this vid because I had also been thinking about this for a while as well!
Cami you did it again! It’s inevitable that when a new artist arrives on the scene, and to be compared to someone already established. It has a lot to do with frames of references and where to categorize them. When Mariah came out she was instantly compared to Whitney to the point they both had to clear up those comparisons in interviews, but as Mariah grew and EVOLVED into her own, those comparisons paled into oblivion! I think that’s where a lot of these artists of today go wrong. Absolutely nothing wrong with citing your influences and who you’re inspired by, but if you wear those influences too long you then become “a wannabe, a cheap knock-off, or a carbon copy of that artist”. For instance the comparisons between Chris and MJ, I think a lot of ppl over exaggerate it to an extent 👀, yes he’s talented, but the magic, ambition, vision, drive, Michael exuded is inimitable ✨⭐️✨ We need originality again!
I love how Olivia pivoted to pop punk. We don’t have a lot of those type of artists anymore. Sour brought me back to the late 90s.
Yep it was a great move because it’s really setting her apart in the mainstream
Honestly, I feel Beyonce is Tina Turner's daughter more so
I can see that
I agree, so it was interesting to see those comments coming bey and Janet
@@CamrynSuzanne yeah I was shocked and back then Beyonce took voice lessons from Tina Turner herself. So, that's why I was like Janet where? I love Janet by the way but her daughter's are literal Aaliyah, Britney, etc. I've been in this era growing up and seen everything which is why I was like ooooh lord y'all new new (not you of course) but the discord is crazy work
This gotta be one of my favorite videos of yours!!! Taking inspiration is great, but everything you said was facts. we gotta give the nee artist time to have their moments both with music and without.
I also think that female artists are way more compared to other artists than male artists unfortunately
Absolutely
Loved your take on this subject! Spot on as always!! Keep up the great work Camryn✨
Thanks so much!!🫶🏽🫶🏽
Haven’t finished yet but enjoying it so far. Love the consistency!
Glad you’re enjoying it! Also i’ve been trying my best to keep up🤞🏾🤞🏾
@@CamrynSuzanne I can tell. I’ve had a channel before so I know it’s hard!
When watching this video I kept thinking about the Taylor Swift songs “Clara Bow” and “Nothing New.” Both songs touch on how Taylor feels that she’s a cog in the music industry machine and will eventually be replaced
This is like the tenth comment Ive seen like this. Female artists have been talking about agism and replacement in the industry LITERAL decades now. Taylor's song provides little to no new introspection on the matter whatsoever.
@@LD-tn6ff Cool? I never said Taylor was the first to ever have the thought. I said her music is what I was reminded of 😅
This also happens in k-pop like how TXT was always compared to BTS when they debuted 5 years ago for being on the same label. Or how BlackPink was the new 2NE1 when they got disbanded it's an endless cycle I fear
omgg I totally forgot about 2NE1!
@@CamrynSuzanne they're currently on tour!!!
but I don't think it had anything to do with the music unlike these pop stars who have completely adopted the style as their own
New jeans were also called Sister of BTS By MHJ but only because they debuted in same company.
ignore my grammar mistakes pls
i think that the tyla and rihanna comparison is very accurate in just the place that tyla holds in the industry as it’s a place rihanna once held but sonically are NOTHING alike😭 but i do think that sabrina is definitely ariana’s daughter 🤌
I don’t think Tate McRae is the new Britney but I do believe she’s the first “Tate McRae”. Comparison is inevitable but I think it’s always important to let an artist define themselves with time and let them cook for a bit.
I agree, and I do think Tate is uber talented foresure. I do think however that she’ll probably wanna be super intentional moving forward on drawing less brit comparison in her music vids and fashion choices just so she can carve out her lane early on while she has a lot of eyes on her
I agree with you on this too. Very well said !
THE REAL MOTHER IS ARETHA FRANKLIN
Yessss✨
Cam is back with another video!!! 🔥
You already know! 🔥🔥
I just finished the video (had to pause because of work) and i totally agree that people take the musical children thing to seriously versus taking it light and subjective because it does erase these newer artists careers and accomplishments regardless if they pull from others for inspiration and when they do try to pay homage or create a new moment fans, stans and the GP WILL ALWAYS COMPARE THEM TO ARTIST OF YESTERYEAR NO MATTER WHAT! It’s a shame too because these girls and some guys are really talented and just need a chance.
I do agree that fans can be a large part of the problem! The mother daughter convo can be fun in theory but people really beef in the comments over who's the 1st, 2nd and 3rd vs. moving on at a certain point
@@CamrynSuzanne yes and i totally agree with your point that the Western world especially America is in this nostalgic tunnel vision type of viewpoint and in all honesty I’m tired of it.
Tinashe is actually Janet's 2nd born bc everyone overlooks her😪
Tinashe isss SOOO good! Love love lover her and I also think she’s doing a good job of carving at her own niche and laying in the music industry too
Honestly, Tinashe seems more like Janet’s granddaughter. Tinashe seems more like Britney’s daughter in my opinion.
@@christinebelzie194 yea she's def ciara's daughter
Wish I had an intellectual comment to offer. But you’ve pretty much expressed my thoughts on the topic. So I’m here to say I love you bby! Love your videos! 🫶🏾🖤
Wow, thank you🥺🥺
You deserve way more subs!❤
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I appreciate it 🙏🏽🙏🏽 we'll get there in due time!
When it comes to Britney Spears, the reason why I think people used to call her the "New Age Madonna" is because her level of fame was so huge in the 2000s that it was even compared to how huge Madonna was back in the 80s, not to mention that there wasn't a young female artist that was doing Pop music at the time, R&B and Alternative Rock was all the rage, and the boyband and girlgroup craze was at its peak back in the 90s so when Britney debuted with ...Baby One More Time, she brought back Pop music in a big way (hence why Britney Spears is deservedly known as The Princess of Pop) but other than that, when it comes to her music, stage presence, dancing skills and techniques, Britney Spears was always influenced by Janet Jackson, which is something that even Britney herself has admitted several times.
You’re right on the money. Anytime I see anyone in this video that was mentioned I kind of just right them off as a cringey tribute act and don’t even bother listening to their music. It’s like why listen to great value music when the real thing is right there. (With the exception of ChloexHalle and tyla.) I don’t get the Sabrina and Ariana comparisons. But I also only heard the girl sing on Christina aguileras 20th anniversary of what a girl wants and she has a country twang in her voice. Idk if it’s natural or not but it’s not very Ariana to me.
Side note: the editing in this video is s-tier.
Yeah some of these artists mentioned foresure lean into the comparison while others genuinely don’t want it but I definitely think originality is lacking more than before in music, movies, everything honestly 🥲also thank you so much! I spent a lot of time on the editing
I remember when Stan twt folks were calling Madison Beer Ariana’s replacement due to their similar fashion sense and then Madison finally released her album and the conversations stopped cuz they realized Madison and Ariana make COMPLETELY DIFFERENT music!
I need people to understand artist can be influenced by artists but that doesn’t mean they’re a replica of that artist
It doesnt necessarily mean they ARENT trying to be a replica or derivative at the same time though either.
Anothet amazing one for the books. I had been thinking about this and I love how you put everything without it sounding like a slander fest. Like yea Nostalgia sells and we love having lightbulb moments when we recognize a sample or interpolation BUT I don’t think thats a reason to start discrediting an artist before they’ve had a full chance to grow and shine.
You are literally my RUclips BFF when it comes to topics and conversations because if I had friends these are definitely the things we would be talking about ❤
Okay back to the topic of the video lol as someone who grew up in the early 2000s loving Britney Spears so I'm not comparing the two but Yes I do think Ms Tate is definitely her "daughter" Tate is hungry for this just like Britney was in her prime.🌟
Awe!!😊😊 glad we can have these conversations in the comments and through my videos. I also do agree that I see some similarities foresure but I just hate when people say the 2nd coming😭
Personally I think Olivia’s Paramore inspired song was the one that really put her on the map. Olivia is an amalgamation of various artists not just Taylor.
Yeah, it’s just that that comparison was put on a pedestal especially because Taylor is Olivia’s idol. I think a lot of people made a big deal out of that
@@CamrynSuzanne Definitely I was commenting while watching the video but after I watched the complete video I understood why she was labeled as Taylor’s son.
First off, I want to say that I really enjoy your videos! Thank you! ❤❤❤
I never liked the comparison of female artists and the industry LOVES to compare, it’s so unfair. I hope that the female artists of today show their true authentic self, we don’t need carbon copies. 🙅🏽♀️
Thank you so much for watching!! And yes it’s so unfortunate how the industry, media and fans even immediately compare and in turn create unnecessary competition. I’m also on the side where I think some of the newer power pop stars are leaning way too much into the comparison
@@CamrynSuzanne yes! And we need something different! They should be allowed to be themselves, period! 💕
I can tell by the title of this video that it’s gonna be fire🔥
Hope you enjoyed!!!🙌🏽🙌🏽
Wall to wall was almost his thriller. It was a good warm up.
Your videos never disappoint 😭
Ahh thank you!!!
NICKI calling anyone her son when shes the son of Lil Kim 😂smh
Enough with the comparisons and inspirations….HOW ABOUT SOME ORIGINALITY FOLKS
Yep! It is a fine line because I also think that we should all find what makes us unique and I think people are really losing sight of that as well
When I first saw Sabrina Carpenter it was in the nonsense music video. I thought it was cute but kinda bland pop. But the more I’ve seen of her, the more I’ve been impressed. I’m sure she’s someone’s “daughter” but for the most part she’s been very refreshing and I enjoy her as a pop artist who does not try to survive in the industry based on nostalgia.
Where Olivia Rodrigo is concerned, I like Guts a lot more than Sour because she distances herself from the “Taylor Swift” sound. Guts feels more like her and who she is as an artist. Can’t wait for the third album.
Yess, i really liked nonsense but it didn’t really keep me hooked. Feather had me leaning forward in my seat & then I heard honey moon fades & fast car and was like wait…there’s something here fr👀 and i agree she really has been refreshing and trying to create her own lane
i’ve been waiting for a discussion like this !
okay , so here’s a list of all the main pop girls that we grew up with.
main :
beyoncé
rihanna
nicki minaj
lady gaga
adele
taylor swift
katy perry
alternative :
lorde
lana del rey
from show to music :
ariana grande
demi lovato
selena gomez
miley cyrus
and honestly , i don’t think there’s been a single one that has came close to either of them ( well maybe doja cat ). especially i feel like at the least , nobody has ever came close to an adele , and probably never will.
I’m screaming at this intro
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11:00 fun fact selena's favourite janet jackson song was black cat