Pistol grips next! And for the people that complain about the stock rattle or has a bit of wiggle room even with the friction fit clamp, just a bit of electrical tape works. Also love that the CTR can take a cheek riser
For storage tube stocks, the easiest way to solve the battery rattling is to pad the end with an earplug or two. On my front-heavy rifle I like the SL-S a lot, great for cheek weld and counterbalancing.
i'm with you there. I wrap my batteries in tape for a snug fit and attach fishing line to pull the roll of batteries out with. it's a comfy stock and i like it even on my fairly light geissele, because the weight in the back is helpful to me during reloads.
I put a cotton ball with a string tied to it in the bottomnof the tube, then battery, then cotton ball, then battery, then cotton ball with then end of the string tied to the last cotton ball. Quiet and easy to pull your shit out.
Does the sl-s have a qd? However you store the batteries. Gotta make sure the ends aren't contacting one another or they will be dead when you need em.
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Magpul SL-K is my favorite of the bunch; it is cheap and for me at least, it is easier to shoulder in akward positions while wearing a plate carrier due to the reduced size of the buttpad.
Same here. I was going for a lightweight build and bought it because it was a few oz's lighter than what I had in hand. Ending up loving it so much that it's the only stock I'm using on most of my AR's. Works so well with plate carries or wearing packs.
@@kavoro8951 The M-lock slot, larger cheek weld, position of the adjustment lever and inexpensive cost all led me to purchasing it for my PSA-15. I added a QD mount for a sling. Perfect setup imo.
I'm sure you'll be happy to know that the Magpul CTR is in the additional authorization list for the army M4A1 as of 08 MAY 2023. Just a little bit of validation.
In defense of the UBR... the storage compartment can be removed, the heavier weight reduced recoil, it has a longer LOP, it's more durable and rigid than most other adjustable stocks, and it use either a standard carbine buffer system or the A5 buffer system.
I love the STR, thing is fat, locks in tight and feels almost like an improved fixed stock. Works well with LPVOs and longer barrels. Battery compartment doubles for medicine and skittles.
Was legitimately surprised how low it wound up... It's like a CTR, but more comfortable. The storage is a 'take it or leave it', but it's largely a tack-on feature they put there because was already room from the cheek rests.
@@prelude2tube Same here, since it is just like the CTR, I am surprised it didn't get into the A category. I don't store anything in mine, I just like the larger cheek weld.
Owning a PRS stock for a PTR-91, and loving it, it feels like it was specifically made for more oddball rifles that originally had a stock that wasn't in-line with the bore (G3/HK91 and FAL) or maybe just 308 in general, and they've just pigeon holed it for ar-15's as well so they can sell more units
I was seriously considering a PRS for my PTR-91. Ultimately, I settled on an HK21 stock because I was also able to find a G3/SG1 cheek piece that I plan to have fitted to it. Another plus is that with the rifle buffer fitted, the HK21 stock is barely heavier than the original rifle version.
@@christopherreed4723 There's definitely a trade off; I actually preferred having more weight because it felt better for me, but adding a pound or so to your already very heavy gun might not be everyone's cup of tea
@UNATCO Agent That was exactly the goal I had/have with the PTR-91. Given its base weight of 9.5 lbs, it's very easy to get up to bench rest rifle weights when setting it up as a DMR.
@@Deuces0810 Problem with the CTR stock is the swivel socket, conventional pushbutton mounts will be obstructed, so you would have to purchase a Magpul QDM... or, at least, that's what I'm assuming the proprietary mount exists for and why it costs double. As for the locking catch: totally useless after one slip onto vinyl floor. Inserting a rectangular sliver of milk gallon into your MOE stock secures it better anyway
@@chad9166 hes not my hero. Also didn’t even know that. Also if he believes that, I disagree. I’ve tried both. Most people who mount their slings at the stock and try to do cqb put it on the end plate. The sling doesn’t move around on your neck nearly as much and also doesn’t fall off your shoulder. When it does it’s impossible to aim and will kill you in a gunfight. End plate mounting is superior
The main point of the UBR is the ability to adjust length of pull without moving/removing your cheek-weld anchor point. For precision shooting this is a must. Almost all other adjustable AR stocks create a big hole where your face goes when you extend the length of pull. If you look at the rigs of the top shooters in service rifle competition almost all are using a UBR for that exact reason. Great for RECCE, SDM, or wherever you need high precision from an AR.
This is correct....I build mine as long range toys....the ubr is solid and when trying to shoot 1k yards with small frame ARs....stock wobble is a thing
@@brandenj576 THANK YOU for mentioning beard hair. All the short stocks would let my beard get pinched between the buffer tube and the stock the rip when I shoot. Fucking annoying when I'm trying to larp fast or during a match.
If you are setting up a precision AR, you are probably using a magnified optic that will require a height-adjustable cheek piece. The UBR doesn't have one. And, you don't shoot a rifle with a magnified optic NOTCH, so there is no reason for your face to be that close to the receiver. The UBR is a terrible stock for a precision gun for these 2 reasons. I can see that Hop has a strong bias towards carbines and "dynamic shooting." The CTR makes a lot of sense in this role. But, for a precision rifle, the PRS and PRS lite are better stocks. Yes, they are heavy. Yes, they have a long LOP. Neither are detriments to a rifle set up for precision as opposed to dynamic shooting in a plate carrier.
@@haroldlee4037 Height-adjustable cheek pieces don’t work on ARs because of the charging handle. You have to instead use an optic mount that places the optic centerline at the proper height for the shooter. Most of us shooting service rifle competition find that a mount with a 1.3” to 1.4” centerline height is perfect. Most common mounts are 1.5” (too tall). BTW, iron-sight height on the AR is about 1.35” above the rail (varies with elevation adjustment). Common 1.5” mounts are too tall for most for precision shooting. They’re better suited to CQB.
@@messinger123 The PRS and PRS light stocks are LITERALLY built to incorporate adjustable cheek height in an AR platform rifle (as is the RISR from Larue, and the MBR stocks from LuthAR- among others). "Perfect height" is relative to face structure, and those with thin faces and "high cheek bones" may need additional height. And, if you are putting a scope with a 50+ mm objective on a rifle, a low mount won't necessarily clear the hand guard. I'm reminded that my use case is not everyone's use case. But, to say that one is objectively better than the other is either sarcasm, trolling, or grossly myopic. Here is a rifle I’m- very- familiar with, which employs a Magpul PRS stock, and the cheek riser certainly does not interfere with the charging handle. ruclips.net/video/-_e82JHnYzU/видео.html
It's very interesting to see other perspectives. I chose a UBR specifically for my AR-10 DMR since it's a little more heavy for balance, yet maintains a static cheek weld and collapses for transport. Also, I actually store replacement batteries in there for my scope and pistol sight. It also has an integrated QD cup which isn't the greatest but has been working quite well so far.
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I've owned the SL, the MOE Rifle, and the SL-K. They're in the proper order in your list. The SL-K for a bigger dude just doesn't distribute recoil or feel well; the MOE rifle stock is nice, but the adjustment from the SL stock is still more useful for safe storage. What, I finally had something reasonably pertinent to say, sue me.
I did find a use for the triangle storage in the rear. All of my ACS-L stocks (4) have 1 single serving of Geissele “Go-Juice” and a tiny cloth that comes with optics to wipe glass. They add almost no weight and are both item that can be quite useful.
I used the ACS because I was a grenadier and my unit forced us to keep our M320s mounted on our M4s. I chose the ACS because it made firing grenades a little more comfortable and because it seemed one of the most durable of the collapsing stocks available at the time.
I enjoy my Fab Defense (Israeli Magpul) GL-CORE stocks both in the mini, but preferably in the larger format. Popular with Russian SOF on their modified AKs. Good weight, build quality, included QD sling points, tight with no rattle and an optional cheek riser. Which although not needed on ARs it can be nice to have on buffer tube stock non-AR type rifles. It feels like a worthy competitor to the Magpul CTR. I like and use them both, but for whatever reason Fab Defense doesn't have the same market penetration in the US.
@@TheHouseAlwaysWins-xs8zd their back up iron sights are also quite good. Check them out if your looking for cheaper bius than Magpul Mbus Pro but still quality. And they dont need any tools for regulation.
To each his own, I love both my ACS and UBRs. I have an UBR on an AR10 SASS its heavy but so is an AR10. ACS has great cheek feel. I like the wide cheek area. The storage door thing shouldn't even be an issue. You can remove them.
I love the UBR Gen 2 and I will die on this hill. Solid as fuck, A5 length buffer tube included, no rattle or movement on the cheek area, pre installed anti rotational QD cups, super easy install with no need to stake a castle nut or anything like that. Makes builds even easier and I have no major gripes with it lol. Gen 1 was kinda ass though, with all the exposed screws and extra weight. I'll give you that.
i got two ACS's when I didn't know any better. Now they sit in a bag somewhere. Not sure what hop is on about with storing batteries. I was using it for TUMS.
It seems like it's tailor made for like an 11.5 or 12.5 SBR, something that's a little too big to justify a PDW stock, but something you still want to keep kinda compact.
One thing I will say in favor of the UBR. It doesn't grab my facial hair. Pretty much all other adjustable stocks rip out bits of my beard hair whenever I go shooting. Its not that big a problem that the UBR solves but it does make for a slightly more comfortable shooting experience. Edit: I also do use the storage compartment for a little bottle of clp and a bore snake.
I will also upvote the UBR stock for tall people. I am 6’5” and have a long neck. The UBR is the only stock besides the A2 that actually has a cheek weld for me. All other sliding stocks leave my face resting on the metal stock extension tube. UBR just feels great to me.
STR has a bigger shelf on the bottom for a rear bag, an arguably better cheek weld (based on face shape), and can fully close on an A5 buffer tube. I like it for those reasons the most.
I love these videos from you, hop. There are so many options to choose from out there. It's nice to have someone with generally good opinions compare them.
While I understand the disdain for "storage" in stocks, I prefer the extended cheek weld on the STR and SL-S, (and don't actually use the storage). Since I run all my AR optics (besides my SPR) at 1.93", that helps keep cheek contact with the stock in the more weird shooting positions, which is especially useful with raised magnified optics. Anyone know if the LaRue RISR is any good? Thinking about throwing that and a CTR onto my GPR.
Same, I got my T2 on a scalarworks 1.93 mount and enjoy the extra space on the SL-S stock. I have never used the storage tubes, but if I decided to, I think I'd put some stuffing (paper napkin, cloth, etc.) into the tubes to prevent whatever I was storing in the tubes from rattling and making a bunch of noise.
I will say, for someone who prefers B5 and Vltor stuff, Magpul does make some good stuff too. Only ones I'd go for though are the CTR and the MOE-SL tbh
Also for anyone that has an issue with the slightly wobble that the CTR has - just put a little duct tape on the buffer tube. That tiny amount prevents the wobbling and takes 30 seconds.
Agreed, I don't even use the storage compartments of the SL-S, but the wider profile/cheekweld of it lines up perfect for me with sight line. It's not terribly heavy either, maybe a couple ounces more than an SL. After years of testing different stocks, I put one on all my AR's heavy and light, and it is the best geometry for getting on target fast (for me).
I like the VLTOR EMOD. I have it on 3 carbines. I don't carry batteries. I do carry a firing pin, an extractor, maybe a bolt, cam pin, a few pins & springs, gas rings, blood clotting powder (which I have used). Adds a few ounces. Not going to war any time soon but I do LARP in the woods.
My two favorites are the MOE SL-K and the UBR Gen 2. The straight buttpad and clipped toe on them just works for me. Especially the SL-K, it's made for my shoulder pocket
I just run a B5 enhanced sopmod stock, it's pretty nice. I don't use any of the battery tubes on it, I just like the cheekweld it offers. What are your thoughts on the B5 sopmod, hop? Edit: Ah, you mentioned the bravo, suppose the sopmod enhanced would rank similarly then
I would check out the ACS-L, it offers a better cheekweld than a standard stock, but it’s less bulky than the battery option (like your sopmod/ standard ACS). It’s a nice middle ground imo and allows for easier use with a plate carrier.
I like the B5 Enhanced Sopmod, but it is one of the heavier options out there. I do put extra CR123s in it, and it doesn't rattle. I wish the Enhanced model had an angled buttpad like the Bravo though. The straight one just feels weird unless I'm hunched over the gun.
Just because Magpul markets a stock for storage,. Doesn't mean you have to use it as such. After trying many different stocks. I've come to like the STR. I like that there is more surface to cheek. It comes with a QD that you can reverse, and a locking feature that doesn't have any wiggling. I don't use the storage at all. Tolos for re-zeroing, repair/replace, and batteries are in my bag,
As a grunt, I have to say that storage stocks have there place. I carried EVERYTHING on my back and having all the stuff I need to field strip, clean and do very basic maintenance on/in my rifle is reassuring. You are not aways co-located with all your gear, so having a back up set of batteries, bore snake, rag, 2oz mottle of oil, and spare bolt, firing pin, cam pin and retaining pin is very reassuring. Not to mention it is a literal grab-n-go solution. Most of what you could ever need to get your gun back into the fight is actually on/in your gun. There is a reason we had cleaning kits in the butstock of the M16. So having a storage stock, storage pistol grip and storage fore grip just gives you those things. Plus NVGs, Lights and Lasers all burn through batteries like nobodies business. In my battery PACE plan the ones that are in the gun are the "E" Emergency batteries only to be used as a last resort.
SL-K is definitely my favorite. The SL stock is too clunky. I was able to put a QD attachment point on my SL-K stock without any issues. Not sure what the problem is...
Yeah that was confusing to me too. It does increase the cost, but it isn't in a weird location and is easy to attach. This reviewer seems to think with this emotions and not facts.
The SL-K has footman's loop that can accept the M-Lok QD sling mount. The attraction to it for me is the smaller toe of the stock; never understood why the SL stock had such a long toe.
I said this on your community post already, but I do really enjoy my UBR on my rifle build. It’s on an aero ambi lower with a WWSD-2017 styled upper. With my light ok the end and a loaded magazine the rifle balances nicely and the rock solid feel of it plus the solid cheekweld is really nice. And it can open up to longer than I’ll probably ever need.
One potential advantage of the storage stocks is the wider but sloped cheek rest could, for some people, be more comfortable. You don't have to use the storage tubes to benefit from them.
They BCM mod0 has been my favorite stock for a while now so if you care to know my reasons: It has a great profile for people with wide square heads like myself and actually allows for a decently heads up shooting position (slightly better than the CTR for me), It's the lightest stock that isn't fragile or rattly, but the primary reason for me, it has anti-rotational qd slots built in which is important to me when shooting in a plate carrier. One of the main things that messed with my shooting while I was active was my sling sliding behind my stock preventing me from getting enough contact with my shoulder to keep it as stable as I could without a sling in the way slowing down my follow up shots. We experimented with tape and paracord to try to get the right blend of range of movement without it sliding behind the buttpad but the BCM does that out of the box with an MS4. The CTR has that issue too although not quite as bad as an M4 stock. At work all our rifles have CTRs which are my second favorite stock but I get around that issue since we use the baseplate mount for our slings (MS3 gen2) anyways and usually in a single point configuration while actually shooting.
CTR, ACS and ACS-L are my go-to stocks. I also like Mission First Tactical's stocks, mainly their lightweight model. MFT stocks are the tightest of ANY stocks right out the gate. I have yet to try Magpul's SL series of buttstocks, but that will be remedied here, real soon!👍
@@BCarnes be advised: the ACS & ACS-L were primarily made for longer than standard m4 buffer tubes, specifically A5 length buffer tubes. The storage and QD point locations were an afterthought. I personally don't have a problem with the QD point and location, it keeps the attachment hard points away from my shoulder. I don't mind it as much as everyone else. As a matter of fact, the ACS-L is my overall #1 favorite stock and for many reasons others overlook, and my use for them is pretty straight forward.
SL all the way. Recently switched from the BCM gunfighter to the SL. SL is perfect. SL-K is just a slightly smaller version of the SL and actually is pretty great for your smaller frame larpers like your wife or girlfriend you don’t have.
An added benefit of the CTR and SL stocks is you can buy Arisaka bag riders and 90-degree buttpad addons for those two models, which is useful for SPR precision shooter guys.
I'm glad you have a favorable opinion of the MOE SL, so I can say this video is objective and unbiased instead of what I was going to say if you didn't
As niche specific as the PRS stock is, I think it should be higher because it does the job so well that it's the standard stock used for almost every DMR style build from budget home builds up to factory $3,000 builds. The PRS stock also has a squishier softer stickier butt pad than the B5 that is also competing in the same market space for nearly the same price.
Well, technically Brownells makes reproduction CAR-15 stocks that fit on a standard buffer tube for like $20 Not the most comfortable, but it's really lightweight and offers pretty good places to loop a sling through
I like battery storage in stocks. You can use a millions things to pad the compartments so there is zero rattle. I’ve used pieces of plastic shopping bag, packing peanuts, whatever.
The STR got snow balled. It's essentially a CTR with more cheek weld and a good qd mount. You don't have to store shit. That cheek weld alone brings the STR to A status.
The str is literally a ctr with a bigger cheek weld and more storage that makes use of the bigger cheek weld. Magpuls website literally says it’s a ctr with larger cheek weld. Decent list but missed on that one
I have an ACS stock. Yes, that was a mistake. I use the little door compartment to hold glass wipes and that's it. I used to keep CR123's in the tubes until I realized all I was doing was murdering them in heat & cold for no reason. (Pro tip, I stuffed a piece of pluck foam in the bottom to keep the batteries from rattling). Gave up on that, but I haven't been assed enough to spend more money to change the stock. I have an SL on my 5.45 AK. No complaints.
Another vote here for the MFT. under 6 ounces, comfortable, cheap, sling swivel included. Never had one break on me, most of my rifles wear them. I will say on a big AR308, I will go with something like a B5 or CTR.
The PRS - and the (IMO) superior Luth-AR equivalent - are pretty handy if you've built your AR for benched/bipod shooting. I've got a PRS on a 6.5CM AR-10 and a Luth-AR MBA-1 on a Grendel AR-15, and when taking them out past about 800m or so having the precision stock features really helps get consistent hits, especially when practicing shoot-move-shoot. I'd have traded a leg to have been issued, back when I was in Afghanistan, what I've been able to buy and set up for myself today. Anyway, thanks for the round-up. Always like your videos, Hop.
The millennial in me delighted at seeing a tier list regardless of content. I’m all aboard for the Hop Tier Shitpost Series. However you have committed crimes for your disregard for B5 and support of the fixed MOE
The only tiny tool I found to be important to keep on a gun is lens wipes. Dirty lens are frustrating and makes expensive glass pointless, but just being outside in shitty low 40s drizzle all day everything fogs over you straight up can't shoot, you can wipe your finger over it every 30 seconds and look through smudges or you can carry lens wipes with anti fog properties.
Damn, my favorite stock got trashed(UBR)! I like it for the fine length adjustment and the rigidity. It seriously has almost no wiggle/play. The weight also works well for rifle balance. But like most furniture its mostly personal preference.
Thanks for sharing! Not many of us have the opportunity to try them all lol. My favorites are the CTR and BCM stock. Their QD sling placement is ideal for me, and lock up is superb. I don't care so much for the B5 sopmod stocks (bravo/enhanced) because the QD mount is lower down, not as inline with the buffer assembly as the previous mentioned stocks. Similar reason as to why I prefer the SBA3 over the SBA4. If the SBA4's QD mount was in the back like the SBA3 I'd be all over it as it does have superior construction imo.
Pistol grips next! And for the people that complain about the stock rattle or has a bit of wiggle room even with the friction fit clamp, just a bit of electrical tape works. Also love that the CTR can take a cheek riser
@Larry Jones CTR looks cooler
i used medical tape tucked under the stock, works well doesnt like water alot
If he does do a grip tier list we all know that the K2 is S tier
K2 would be s tier
Magpul CTR with a Magpul K2 grip is the only way
For storage tube stocks, the easiest way to solve the battery rattling is to pad the end with an earplug or two. On my front-heavy rifle I like the SL-S a lot, great for cheek weld and counterbalancing.
i'm with you there. I wrap my batteries in tape for a snug fit and attach fishing line to pull the roll of batteries out with. it's a comfy stock and i like it even on my fairly light geissele, because the weight in the back is helpful to me during reloads.
I put a cotton ball with a string tied to it in the bottomnof the tube, then battery, then cotton ball, then battery, then cotton ball with then end of the string tied to the last cotton ball. Quiet and easy to pull your shit out.
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Does the sl-s have a qd?
However you store the batteries. Gotta make sure the ends aren't contacting one another or they will be dead when you need em.
@@matthewbeaver5026 SL-S does have a sling QD on both sides.
I swear hop should be the next narrator for those nature documentaries. Low-key the most entertaining guntuber
Yeah, I agree. I'd like to hear an audio book.
lol
@@SA-xf1eb But without all the f bombs.
Hop will be doing narration for an upcoming series about cats. Its a 4 part series detailing all the fascinating aspects of cat ownership, cat training, cat lifestyle and adult virginity.
@@onmilo I think you mean WITH all the f bombs
Magpul SL-K is my favorite of the bunch; it is cheap and for me at least, it is easier to shoulder in akward positions while wearing a plate carrier due to the reduced size of the buttpad.
Same here. I was going for a lightweight build and bought it because it was a few oz's lighter than what I had in hand. Ending up loving it so much that it's the only stock I'm using on most of my AR's. Works so well with plate carries or wearing packs.
I like the SL-S for the cheek weld, fit, and tactical candy storage.
If you want to add a QD you can buy an M-lok QD mount and it fits in the sling slot at the rear.
@@kavoro8951 Never realized mlok perfectly fits there. Thanks for the tip
@@kavoro8951 The M-lock slot, larger cheek weld, position of the adjustment lever and inexpensive cost all led me to purchasing it for my PSA-15. I added a QD mount for a sling. Perfect setup imo.
I'm sure you'll be happy to know that the Magpul CTR is in the additional authorization list for the army M4A1 as of 08 MAY 2023. Just a little bit of validation.
They’ve been using it for a while prior to that
In defense of the UBR... the storage compartment can be removed, the heavier weight reduced recoil, it has a longer LOP, it's more durable and rigid than most other adjustable stocks, and it use either a standard carbine buffer system or the A5 buffer system.
It doesn’t tear beard hair out.
I love the STR, thing is fat, locks in tight and feels almost like an improved fixed stock. Works well with LPVOs and longer barrels. Battery compartment doubles for medicine and skittles.
Hell yea, i also put skittles in my STR
STR sits on my 16" LVPO gun. Love it.
@@Pappagar haha same bro. no complaints here
Was legitimately surprised how low it wound up... It's like a CTR, but more comfortable. The storage is a 'take it or leave it', but it's largely a tack-on feature they put there because was already room from the cheek rests.
@@prelude2tube Same here, since it is just like the CTR, I am surprised it didn't get into the A category. I don't store anything in mine, I just like the larger cheek weld.
Owning a PRS stock for a PTR-91, and loving it, it feels like it was specifically made for more oddball rifles that originally had a stock that wasn't in-line with the bore (G3/HK91 and FAL) or maybe just 308 in general, and they've just pigeon holed it for ar-15's as well so they can sell more units
I was seriously considering a PRS for my PTR-91. Ultimately, I settled on an HK21 stock because I was also able to find a G3/SG1 cheek piece that I plan to have fitted to it. Another plus is that with the rifle buffer fitted, the HK21 stock is barely heavier than the original rifle version.
@@christopherreed4723 There's definitely a trade off; I actually preferred having more weight because it felt better for me, but adding a pound or so to your already very heavy gun might not be everyone's cup of tea
@UNATCO Agent That was exactly the goal I had/have with the PTR-91. Given its base weight of 9.5 lbs, it's very easy to get up to bench rest rifle weights when setting it up as a DMR.
I find the SL K is very nice when wearing a plate carrier
CTR better
@@Deuces0810 Problem with the CTR stock is the swivel socket, conventional pushbutton mounts will be obstructed, so you would have to purchase a Magpul QDM... or, at least, that's what I'm assuming the proprietary mount exists for and why it costs double. As for the locking catch: totally useless after one slip onto vinyl floor. Inserting a rectangular sliver of milk gallon into your MOE stock secures it better anyway
@@TheSundayShooter not a problem for me. Mounting your sling at the stock is pretty outdated now. Much better to mount it at the end plate
@@Deuces0810Lmao no its not and your hero hop hates endplate slings, FYI.
@@chad9166 hes not my hero. Also didn’t even know that. Also if he believes that, I disagree. I’ve tried both. Most people who mount their slings at the stock and try to do cqb put it on the end plate. The sling doesn’t move around on your neck nearly as much and also doesn’t fall off your shoulder. When it does it’s impossible to aim and will kill you in a gunfight. End plate mounting is superior
The UBR gen 2 you can move the cheek rest and extend further than a normal stock. Also the storage fits an extra bolt and bore snake
The main point of the UBR is the ability to adjust length of pull without moving/removing your cheek-weld anchor point. For precision shooting this is a must. Almost all other adjustable AR stocks create a big hole where your face goes when you extend the length of pull. If you look at the rigs of the top shooters in service rifle competition almost all are using a UBR for that exact reason. Great for RECCE, SDM, or wherever you need high precision from an AR.
This is correct....I build mine as long range toys....the ubr is solid and when trying to shoot 1k yards with small frame ARs....stock wobble is a thing
@@brandenj576 THANK YOU for mentioning beard hair. All the short stocks would let my beard get pinched between the buffer tube and the stock the rip when I shoot. Fucking annoying when I'm trying to larp fast or during a match.
If you are setting up a precision AR, you are probably using a magnified optic that will require a height-adjustable cheek piece. The UBR doesn't have one. And, you don't shoot a rifle with a magnified optic NOTCH, so there is no reason for your face to be that close to the receiver. The UBR is a terrible stock for a precision gun for these 2 reasons. I can see that Hop has a strong bias towards carbines and "dynamic shooting." The CTR makes a lot of sense in this role. But, for a precision rifle, the PRS and PRS lite are better stocks. Yes, they are heavy. Yes, they have a long LOP. Neither are detriments to a rifle set up for precision as opposed to dynamic shooting in a plate carrier.
@@haroldlee4037 Height-adjustable cheek pieces don’t work on ARs because of the charging handle. You have to instead use an optic mount that places the optic centerline at the proper height for the shooter. Most of us shooting service rifle competition find that a mount with a 1.3” to 1.4” centerline height is perfect. Most common mounts are 1.5” (too tall). BTW, iron-sight height on the AR is about 1.35” above the rail (varies with elevation adjustment). Common 1.5” mounts are too tall for most for precision shooting. They’re better suited to CQB.
@@messinger123 The PRS and PRS light stocks are LITERALLY built to incorporate adjustable cheek height in an AR platform rifle (as is the RISR from Larue, and the MBR stocks from LuthAR- among others). "Perfect height" is relative to face structure, and those with thin faces and "high cheek bones" may need additional height. And, if you are putting a scope with a 50+ mm objective on a rifle, a low mount won't necessarily clear the hand guard. I'm reminded that my use case is not everyone's use case. But, to say that one is objectively better than the other is either sarcasm, trolling, or grossly myopic.
Here is a rifle I’m- very- familiar with, which employs a Magpul PRS stock, and the cheek riser certainly does not interfere with the charging handle.
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It's very interesting to see other perspectives. I chose a UBR specifically for my AR-10 DMR since it's a little more heavy for balance, yet maintains a static cheek weld and collapses for transport. Also, I actually store replacement batteries in there for my scope and pistol sight. It also has an integrated QD cup which isn't the greatest but has been working quite well so far.
Bcm stocks are my favorite. I love how tight they lock up, and I don’t mind the QD attachment point placement that most complain about.
I only wish it was longer for covering the buffer tube. Always rips my facial hair out.
@@burnett665 the ACS is longer, I use it for that reason plus some storage.
@@burnett665 the new longer bcm mk2 stocks made for A5 length buffer tubes might fulfill your wish
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Which YT gamer are you talking about?
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I've owned the SL, the MOE Rifle, and the SL-K. They're in the proper order in your list. The SL-K for a bigger dude just doesn't distribute recoil or feel well; the MOE rifle stock is nice, but the adjustment from the SL stock is still more useful for safe storage.
What, I finally had something reasonably pertinent to say, sue me.
My lawyer will be filing come monday.
I did find a use for the triangle storage in the rear. All of my ACS-L stocks (4) have 1 single serving of Geissele “Go-Juice” and a tiny cloth that comes with optics to wipe glass. They add almost no weight and are both item that can be quite useful.
Duly noted. Lens cloth pro tip.
I do the same and thought I was the only one
I used the ACS because I was a grenadier and my unit forced us to keep our M320s mounted on our M4s. I chose the ACS because it made firing grenades a little more comfortable and because it seemed one of the most durable of the collapsing stocks available at the time.
I do like the ACS
I enjoy my Fab Defense (Israeli Magpul) GL-CORE stocks both in the mini, but preferably in the larger format. Popular with Russian SOF on their modified AKs. Good weight, build quality, included QD sling points, tight with no rattle and an optional cheek riser. Which although not needed on ARs it can be nice to have on buffer tube stock non-AR type rifles. It feels like a worthy competitor to the Magpul CTR. I like and use them both, but for whatever reason Fab Defense doesn't have the same market penetration in the US.
@@TheHouseAlwaysWins-xs8zd their back up iron sights are also quite good. Check them out if your looking for cheaper bius than Magpul Mbus Pro but still quality. And they dont need any tools for regulation.
To each his own, I love both my ACS and UBRs. I have an UBR on an AR10 SASS its heavy but so is an AR10. ACS has great cheek feel. I like the wide cheek area. The storage door thing shouldn't even be an issue. You can remove them.
I love the UBR Gen 2 and I will die on this hill. Solid as fuck, A5 length buffer tube included, no rattle or movement on the cheek area, pre installed anti rotational QD cups, super easy install with no need to stake a castle nut or anything like that.
Makes builds even easier and I have no major gripes with it lol.
Gen 1 was kinda ass though, with all the exposed screws and extra weight. I'll give you that.
My SL-K exists on a shelf. I bought it, put it on once, and took it off and bought a CTR.
How's the CTR been for you? I'm considering getting one.
i got two ACS's when I didn't know any better. Now they sit in a bag somewhere. Not sure what hop is on about with storing batteries. I was using it for TUMS.
The SL-K has taken care of me on an AK. Goes for the simple approach. Just add a QD sling point.
It seems like it's tailor made for like an 11.5 or 12.5 SBR, something that's a little too big to justify a PDW stock, but something you still want to keep kinda compact.
One thing I will say in favor of the UBR. It doesn't grab my facial hair. Pretty much all other adjustable stocks rip out bits of my beard hair whenever I go shooting. Its not that big a problem that the UBR solves but it does make for a slightly more comfortable shooting experience. Edit: I also do use the storage compartment for a little bottle of clp and a bore snake.
Improper use of storage compartment. Its ideal for a small bag of jolly ranchers.
@@JustAGooseman I put those in my pistol grip
I will also upvote the UBR stock for tall people. I am 6’5” and have a long neck. The UBR is the only stock besides the A2 that actually has a cheek weld for me. All other sliding stocks leave my face resting on the metal stock extension tube. UBR just feels great to me.
if you put a waterproof sticker on you buffer tube and under your stock it will not allow the stock to pinch and grab your facial hairs.
@@JustAGooseman hydrocodone!
As my mountain Jew roots taught me CTR stands for choose the right. Meaning the CTR is the only S-tier stock
As an Ex-mormon, I love this term of phrase. Thank you for introducing it to me, lol.
That'd Be Joseph's Myth Mormons... Foo
@@teacher_shep haha thank flannel daddy in his video on the Robinson's acr
Am I having a stroke? What the hell is that first sentence?
This is the only correct answer
Thank for taking time to put this video together. Based on your recommendation , I purchased the CTR.
STR has a bigger shelf on the bottom for a rear bag, an arguably better cheek weld (based on face shape), and can fully close on an A5 buffer tube. I like it for those reasons the most.
Thanks Hop
The "not financial advice" gave me a good laugh at the end of an informative video.
My favorite Magpul product is the quart of thread locker that comes on every screw from them.
I love these videos from you, hop. There are so many options to choose from out there. It's nice to have someone with generally good opinions compare them.
While I understand the disdain for "storage" in stocks, I prefer the extended cheek weld on the STR and SL-S, (and don't actually use the storage). Since I run all my AR optics (besides my SPR) at 1.93", that helps keep cheek contact with the stock in the more weird shooting positions, which is especially useful with raised magnified optics.
Anyone know if the LaRue RISR is any good? Thinking about throwing that and a CTR onto my GPR.
Agreed. I'm an SL-S Stan just for the extended cheek weld space. I also do not use the compartment function of it.
Same, I got my T2 on a scalarworks 1.93 mount and enjoy the extra space on the SL-S stock. I have never used the storage tubes, but if I decided to, I think I'd put some stuffing (paper napkin, cloth, etc.) into the tubes to prevent whatever I was storing in the tubes from rattling and making a bunch of noise.
Pretty much anything LaRue is sold
RISR is good to go, have had it on a CTR for about 7-8 years. Works really well with night vision.
@@ThatGuyXelaThose little foam earplugs work great for keeping the batteries from bouncing around btw.
Lol that was so entertaining and helpful. Thanks for putting all of their models in one video with comments.
I will say, for someone who prefers B5 and Vltor stuff, Magpul does make some good stuff too. Only ones I'd go for though are the CTR and the MOE-SL tbh
Moe sl is my favorite
The B5 system is superior for sure.
I completely agree with Hop on the CTR. It’s the best, and I don’t even consider any of the others because of this.
Also for anyone that has an issue with the slightly wobble that the CTR has - just put a little duct tape on the buffer tube. That tiny amount prevents the wobbling and takes 30 seconds.
Love my fixed carbine stock. So criminally underrated
Love it up! Best channel on RUclips, as always.
I was delighted to see that my favorite stock was one of your highest rated… The SL.
The large cheek weld area on the SL-S stock makes it the best. Battery storage is also nice if your gun is front heavy.
Agreed, I don't even use the storage compartments of the SL-S, but the wider profile/cheekweld of it lines up perfect for me with sight line. It's not terribly heavy either, maybe a couple ounces more than an SL. After years of testing different stocks, I put one on all my AR's heavy and light, and it is the best geometry for getting on target fast (for me).
@@Fister_of_Muppets4 ounces or a quarter pound
@@jeramyw 6 of one, half a dozen of the other
I like the storage stocks but mostly for the cheek width, having a place to store my angel dust on the rifle is just an added bonus
The SL series (any edition) are the absolute best available on the market. Super underrated
I love the relevant content keep on keeping on this is good shit!!!! THANKS AGAIN!!!!
Love the tier list!
I run SL-K rn due to smaller body frame
I like the VLTOR EMOD. I have it on 3 carbines. I don't carry batteries. I do carry a firing pin, an extractor, maybe a bolt, cam pin, a few pins & springs, gas rings, blood clotting powder (which I have used). Adds a few ounces. Not going to war any time soon but I do LARP in the woods.
VLTOR A5 with Emod is all I run. Have it on all my lowers. 👍
I'm more an IMOD person, like that more classic look
I just don't care about the rattle on the MOE stock. It goes in. It goes out. It's a triangle. That's all I need.
Funny, I've been looking for a video on good stocks for about a week, and your opinion is the only one worth anything. Perfect timing.
I don't keep batteries in mine but I like the cheek feel of those with storage on the sides.
Let’s goooooo!!!!! That can opening sound is iconic
My two favorites are the MOE SL-K and the UBR Gen 2. The straight buttpad and clipped toe on them just works for me. Especially the SL-K, it's made for my shoulder pocket
SL-K is a great bang for the buck while still being small and light.
I like LWRC’s stock. It is compact, simple, comfortable, light, and it looks good.
I think the lwrc stock is perfect for sbr's but I still prefer a bigger, heavier stock on full sized rifles
I just run a B5 enhanced sopmod stock, it's pretty nice. I don't use any of the battery tubes on it, I just like the cheekweld it offers. What are your thoughts on the B5 sopmod, hop?
Edit: Ah, you mentioned the bravo, suppose the sopmod enhanced would rank similarly then
I would check out the ACS-L, it offers a better cheekweld than a standard stock, but it’s less bulky than the battery option (like your sopmod/ standard ACS). It’s a nice middle ground imo and allows for easier use with a plate carrier.
I like the B5 Enhanced Sopmod, but it is one of the heavier options out there. I do put extra CR123s in it, and it doesn't rattle. I wish the Enhanced model had an angled buttpad like the Bravo though. The straight one just feels weird unless I'm hunched over the gun.
@@riflemanm16a2 I definitely have to go down a position with the SOPMOD compared to say a CTR due to the flat butt.
14:24 says B5 Bravo is grade B, BCM is grade C
Just because Magpul markets a stock for storage,. Doesn't mean you have to use it as such. After trying many different stocks. I've come to like the STR. I like that there is more surface to cheek. It comes with a QD that you can reverse, and a locking feature that doesn't have any wiggling. I don't use the storage at all. Tolos for re-zeroing, repair/replace, and batteries are in my bag,
As a grunt, I have to say that storage stocks have there place. I carried EVERYTHING on my back and having all the stuff I need to field strip, clean and do very basic maintenance on/in my rifle is reassuring. You are not aways co-located with all your gear, so having a back up set of batteries, bore snake, rag, 2oz mottle of oil, and spare bolt, firing pin, cam pin and retaining pin is very reassuring.
Not to mention it is a literal grab-n-go solution. Most of what you could ever need to get your gun back into the fight is actually on/in your gun. There is a reason we had cleaning kits in the butstock of the M16. So having a storage stock, storage pistol grip and storage fore grip just gives you those things. Plus NVGs, Lights and Lasers all burn through batteries like nobodies business.
In my battery PACE plan the ones that are in the gun are the "E" Emergency batteries only to be used as a last resort.
Really good info. Thanks, Hop!
My favorite stock is chicken, but it’s getting harder and harder to find.
Thank you for all the work Hop!
TLDW
UBR Gen 2 best stock. video done
I fear you are misleading potential viewers.
@@Hoplopfheil I made the comment before watching the video, after skipping to the end it makes my comment even better
>Be me
>*pays for subscribestar*
>*still waits for public release of videos like a b3tard*
Yeah you aren't smart
@@Hoplopfheil I'm paying you to be mean to me.
SL-K is definitely my favorite. The SL stock is too clunky. I was able to put a QD attachment point on my SL-K stock without any issues. Not sure what the problem is...
Yeah that was confusing to me too. It does increase the cost, but it isn't in a weird location and is easy to attach. This reviewer seems to think with this emotions and not facts.
I love the timing of this video. As I'm sure there are a lot of people shopping for stocks right now.
The SL-K has footman's loop that can accept the M-Lok QD sling mount. The attraction to it for me is the smaller toe of the stock; never understood why the SL stock had such a long toe.
I said this on your community post already, but I do really enjoy my UBR on my rifle build. It’s on an aero ambi lower with a WWSD-2017 styled upper. With my light ok the end and a loaded magazine the rifle balances nicely and the rock solid feel of it plus the solid cheekweld is really nice. And it can open up to longer than I’ll probably ever need.
This video is absolutely gold. Within the first 3 minutes and you’re 100% on the money
One potential advantage of the storage stocks is the wider but sloped cheek rest could, for some people, be more comfortable. You don't have to use the storage tubes to benefit from them.
Love the tier list, I think ACS-L is a B or C just for getting rid of battery storage
I had an ACS-L, I really liked the damn thing.
They BCM mod0 has been my favorite stock for a while now so if you care to know my reasons: It has a great profile for people with wide square heads like myself and actually allows for a decently heads up shooting position (slightly better than the CTR for me), It's the lightest stock that isn't fragile or rattly, but the primary reason for me, it has anti-rotational qd slots built in which is important to me when shooting in a plate carrier. One of the main things that messed with my shooting while I was active was my sling sliding behind my stock preventing me from getting enough contact with my shoulder to keep it as stable as I could without a sling in the way slowing down my follow up shots. We experimented with tape and paracord to try to get the right blend of range of movement without it sliding behind the buttpad but the BCM does that out of the box with an MS4. The CTR has that issue too although not quite as bad as an M4 stock. At work all our rifles have CTRs which are my second favorite stock but I get around that issue since we use the baseplate mount for our slings (MS3 gen2) anyways and usually in a single point configuration while actually shooting.
CTR, ACS and ACS-L are my go-to stocks. I also like Mission First Tactical's stocks, mainly their lightweight model. MFT stocks are the tightest of ANY stocks right out the gate. I have yet to try Magpul's SL series of buttstocks, but that will be remedied here, real soon!👍
@@BCarnes be advised: the ACS & ACS-L were primarily made for longer than standard m4 buffer tubes, specifically A5 length buffer tubes. The storage and QD point locations were an afterthought. I personally don't have a problem with the QD point and location, it keeps the attachment hard points away from my shoulder. I don't mind it as much as everyone else. As a matter of fact, the ACS-L is my overall #1 favorite stock and for many reasons others overlook, and my use for them is pretty straight forward.
I have one MFT stocked AR and I really like it too.
@@BCarnes I'm not sure if you can drop it out of a helicopter or run over it with a tank, but they're nice for us non-operators.
@@BCarnes No doubt, I've cried more times about crap I bought.
Good comparison demo. Thanks for sharing 👍
SL all the way. Recently switched from the BCM gunfighter to the SL. SL is perfect. SL-K is just a slightly smaller version of the SL and actually is pretty great for your smaller frame larpers like your wife or girlfriend you don’t have.
SL-K is also great if you have a smaller firearm like an AR pistol.
@@mediocreman2 I think you mean SBR
Best stock review possibly ever! Love Hops no fugs given attitude
Oh no. When are we getting Hop shorts featuring Socko?
Pistol grip tier ranking would be much appreciated! Great video
I just put skittles in the storage compartments of my magpul stock.
*SKITTLES BREAK
Always entertaining. Thanks Hop
Hogue makes a baller A2 stock, and the carbine stock is pretty nice, too
An added benefit of the CTR and SL stocks is you can buy Arisaka bag riders and 90-degree buttpad addons for those two models, which is useful for SPR precision shooter guys.
The LaRue RAT stock is actually pretty nice.
And come with a cleaning kit very well integrated inside.
A bit skinny, but well constructed.
I'm glad you have a favorable opinion of the MOE SL, so I can say this video is objective and unbiased instead of what I was going to say if you didn't
I guess I'm the oddball here with MFT Minimalists
That’s my fave
Best stonk
As niche specific as the PRS stock is, I think it should be higher because it does the job so well that it's the standard stock used for almost every DMR style build from budget home builds up to factory $3,000 builds. The PRS stock also has a squishier softer stickier butt pad than the B5 that is also competing in the same market space for nearly the same price.
Well, technically Brownells makes reproduction CAR-15 stocks that fit on a standard buffer tube for like $20
Not the most comfortable, but it's really lightweight and offers pretty good places to loop a sling through
Made by B5
My mistake
Still a good minimalist stock for $20
@@evanfish4505 sorry that probably came off dick-ish
It's a partnership between B5 and Brownells -- I'm pretty sure Brownells is the exclusive vendor
@@Nuke-China no problem, I just figured that it's decent option for $20 or so, and certainly not a bad choice for lightweight ARs
MOE Fixed Carbine is pretty awesome. It actually comes with a piece that lengthens the stock by a couple inches and blends in very well.
good vid now do every magpul pistol grip
Great video. You just saved me time and money with logic.
I have a B5 and the mag SL-K
B5 is better by a large margin.
I love the CTR and fixed stocks also, you have good taste my friend!
STR is S-tier and you can’t change my mind 😂
I like battery storage in stocks. You can use a millions things to pad the compartments so there is zero rattle. I’ve used pieces of plastic shopping bag, packing peanuts, whatever.
The STR got snow balled. It's essentially a CTR with more cheek weld and a good qd mount. You don't have to store shit. That cheek weld alone brings the STR to A status.
the tier above this entire tier list is Hogue.
Hogue is no bueno for us bearded folks. Them janks pull out beard hairs like they’re trying to start a collection.
There is a special place in hell for people who use Hogue. It's next to the pedophiles and mass murderers.
The str is literally a ctr with a bigger cheek weld and more storage that makes use of the bigger cheek weld.
Magpuls website literally says it’s a ctr with larger cheek weld. Decent list but missed on that one
Fake news
Those arent battery storage compartments.
For smokes brah
Naw you gotta keep those tucked into your helmet band
I have an ACS stock. Yes, that was a mistake. I use the little door compartment to hold glass wipes and that's it. I used to keep CR123's in the tubes until I realized all I was doing was murdering them in heat & cold for no reason. (Pro tip, I stuffed a piece of pluck foam in the bottom to keep the batteries from rattling). Gave up on that, but I haven't been assed enough to spend more money to change the stock.
I have an SL on my 5.45 AK. No complaints.
Another vote here for the MFT. under 6 ounces, comfortable, cheap, sling swivel included. Never had one break on me, most of my rifles wear them. I will say on a big AR308, I will go with something like a B5 or CTR.
The PRS - and the (IMO) superior Luth-AR equivalent - are pretty handy if you've built your AR for benched/bipod shooting. I've got a PRS on a 6.5CM AR-10 and a Luth-AR MBA-1 on a Grendel AR-15, and when taking them out past about 800m or so having the precision stock features really helps get consistent hits, especially when practicing shoot-move-shoot. I'd have traded a leg to have been issued, back when I was in Afghanistan, what I've been able to buy and set up for myself today.
Anyway, thanks for the round-up. Always like your videos, Hop.
The millennial in me delighted at seeing a tier list regardless of content. I’m all aboard for the Hop Tier Shitpost Series.
However you have committed crimes for your disregard for B5 and support of the fixed MOE
How convenient, I have a unrelated box of buffer tubes coming and was thinking of buying a bunch of magpul stocks for them.
I always liked the MFT battlelink. Cheap, and very light
They’re also purpose built though. If I have a 308 DMR I’m going with a heavy PRS or UBR over any of the rest of these.
No way Magpul is better than B5 stocks...😂
The only tiny tool I found to be important to keep on a gun is lens wipes. Dirty lens are frustrating and makes expensive glass pointless, but just being outside in shitty low 40s drizzle all day everything fogs over you straight up can't shoot, you can wipe your finger over it every 30 seconds and look through smudges or you can carry lens wipes with anti fog properties.
Damn, my favorite stock got trashed(UBR)! I like it for the fine length adjustment and the rigidity. It seriously has almost no wiggle/play. The weight also works well for rifle balance. But like most furniture its mostly personal preference.
UBR is the shit bruh. Tough as nails, and you can run the A5 buffer system. Does add a bit a weight, but I don’t mind a little weight on a stock.
Thanks for sharing! Not many of us have the opportunity to try them all lol. My favorites are the CTR and BCM stock. Their QD sling placement is ideal for me, and lock up is superb. I don't care so much for the B5 sopmod stocks (bravo/enhanced) because the QD mount is lower down, not as inline with the buffer assembly as the previous mentioned stocks. Similar reason as to why I prefer the SBA3 over the SBA4. If the SBA4's QD mount was in the back like the SBA3 I'd be all over it as it does have superior construction imo.
You nailed this entire video