I wonder what's your comment about completely different results GN posted on deep assassin 4? Does deep cool have some serious QC issues or your tests somehow are not favoring new model ?
This is such an important question, I think it deserves a longer answer and a pin since the topic has been brought up a few times. First and foremost, there is no "right" methodology when it comes to CPU cooler testing or even fan testing for that matter. Ultimately the results presented by a reviewer will be relevant ONLY to their specific test setup in their specific environment. Regardless of how well temperature controlled or heat load controlled the setup is, in the end we're all simply doing A/B testing so the results are only comparative to that specific testing environment / situation. That's why the number of coolers being tested is important and its why we've laser focused on the high end air cooling segment for now. I'd say we have the most comprehensive list of high end air coolers, tested on a modern system on the planet. If there's a more complete list let me know. As for comparative testing between methodologies, its impossible to draw parallels. We've eschewed the whole static hypothetical thermal load scenario like Anandtech used simply because it doesn't give real world results, which isn't necessarily wrong because it can be VERY accurate. Rather we tested (for MONTHS) and avoided it because it can misrepresent what people can and should expect when running systems themselves. Does it give accurate A/B testing results? Absolutely! Does it matter to people? That's debatable. Our system isn't perfect (nor will we ever self-aggrandize by talking about how much we spent on it) but at the same time it gives a very wide gamut of thermal results that's representative of a large cross section of people who are looking to buy a new system or upgrade their existing setup. We do gaming, 180W, 253W and No Limit across EVERY decibel point we can achieve. Also its why we invested the time and effort to test on a newer architecture. To me at least, that gives a very good, if not amazing, overall perspective for representational performance. As for our testing versus GN's, I don't now how they test or what they've tested. But I think the items I listed above highlight why results end up being different (and sometimes conflicting) and why you should watch a wide cross section of videos in order to make a better purchasing decision. Hope that helps! - MIKE
@@HardwareCanucks Every test for every CPU cooler is different across multiple reviews. CPU / case / ambient / case fans / OC / thermal paste / mounting pressure etc all make choosing the "best" CPU cooler near impossible. I think the best we can do is use multiple reviews and land somewhere close.
@@Chopper153 I dont compare numbers across different reviews, but only within. What was strange to me is that Assasing IV performed better than 3 for GN, while it was opposite here. It might be due to die position but that sounds very weird
Finally another cooler that's a legitimately good option alongside Thermalright's lineup. This supplants the AK620 as the "Best Value Cooler Not Made By Thermalright" pretty handily.
It's cheaper too. However I prefer the looks of the Fuma 2/3 in the NR200, it doesn't cover the ram like the PA120/SE does. The regular PA120 is 157mm tall too, so a lot of motherboards may make it so you can't fit the TG on. I'm waiting for the all white Fuma 3 to put into my NR200.
I bought the Fuma 3 for my 7700x and its been great. Granted I undervolted my 7700x so its easier to cool. But I love how quiet it is, and the super easy install was so darn nice. Plus the free long magnetic screwdriver is great to for other applications!
Great review as always ! I would love to see how those coolers perform on Ryzen CPUs compared to Intel CPUs since their size and the placement of the heat sources are different. A good example of that is the Thermalright Frost Spirit which performs worse than the Peerless Assassin on Ryzen CPUs and the opposite can be said when those coolers are tested with Intel CPUs.
Was thinking to replace my actual corsair 240mm AIO with an air cooler later this year and after building two systems with a peerless assassin i was chocked on how good theses new air coolers are.... So maybe i'll consider scythe !
man it would be sick if you have 3 fan config picture of the fan, i choose cpu cooler also by aesthetic lol, good review nonetheless, keep up the good work!
This is awesome, one piece of feedback here: for the graphics charts I think it would help a lot more having the name of the other products next to lines matching coloring the way it was in other past videos, I found it harder to going back and forth with naming on the right and visuals on the left, hope that helps!
I am very impressed with a Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE dual fan cooler that I got with my 13700k on a prime deal. The cooler was only $40. No doubt the $10 Thermalright anti bending/cooling plate I also installed helps too.
Dude! I've been water cooling for 24 years, Small Servers, Home Computers and Calculators from back in the day. I just put the Thermalright Assassin on a new build, using ryzen 9 3950x and it runs almost as cool as my water cooled system! I think I am going to switch my personal rig back to air cooling, because the performance difference only is apparent during the winter months here in Maine. This past winter I was running my water cooled system at 1C but I can't move the computer like I can the air cooled system. Brilliant! Finally!
I was kind amped for this one. I've used Scythe coolers for a while and like them for the price x performance they offer. After seeing you guys paying attention and showing so many great options, including the fuma 2, with so many comparisons and reviews i was kind anxious to see this one. And it did not disappoint, Scythe have managed to make a very well engineered cooler, that keeps all the good (including price, compatibility) of the older version, while making it better in looks and performance. Great review as always Mike, thanks for the excellent video. PS: You mistaking the D15 with the D14 actually brought a smile to my face, shows how way back you go, as a D14 owner, that miss was a hit for me haha
For what you get for the price, it's the best in the business 👌 💯 personally, I don't like big air coolers. I'll take a medium sized cooler that best in class, black, quiet and it disappears in the case. But that's me. Nice video, take care.
Not necessarily anything good. The heat sink is tuned for these specific fans, and also utilise a (in the cooler market) unique reverse flow design, with the fans spinning in opposite directions. Not sure how well those two things translate to a fan swap
Imagine they offer a version where the front fan is standard 120*25mm fan and charge the exact same price. I'm absolutely ok with front fan poking upwards a little bit if RAMs are too tall. It's probably gonna be just as good as the d15. By the way, have you guys ever checked out Thermalright PS120SE? It's supposed to be a PA120 that's optimized for newer generation sockets like LGA1700 and AM5. It's slightly more expensive than PA120SE and has 7 heat pipes.
@@justinreynolds6318 Doubt that. The pressure difference between 15mm and 25mm fans are massive. There's a reason why fan manufacturers are pushing fan thickness beyond 25mm right now.
@@maozedowner5915 There's also a reason why newer air coolers are butting up the middle (pull) fan right up against the tower that the (push) fan is attached to. What the 15mm fan lacks in static pressure will be pretty well compensated for by the (pull) fan pulling air through the (push) fan. Obviously a thicker fan would be better, but there was a reason why Scythe chose to use a 15mm fan up front when literally everyone else is using 25mm+. It's because on this specific tower design and fin density, they found the return in performance was minimal compared to the benefits of a lower price point and better RAM compatibility.
Have you tested Deepcool AG620? It cost around $40 in South East Asia with the same performance of AK620, meanwhile the Peerless Assassin cost around $65-70
Amazing review of an amazing family of coolers! Really wishing my white peerless assassin fit my mobo in my NR200. Now I’m thinking of getting this and spray painting the heat pipe caps lol
I looking for 100% Ram clearance , good cooling performance , compact design for my mid case , good price. SCYTHE Fuma 3 win on all sides and beat competitors. Just ordered for my AMD 7 5700X because its so hot for aftermarket lowprice 2heatpipe cooler. Good Job SCYTHE
Excellent demonstration, as usual. You are my go-to fan cooling guy! My take away is that Thermalright Frost Spirit is the performance to price winner in CPU coolers!
Well, the phantom spirit (the successor of the PA) is bragging some impressive (but incremental) improvements. Any plan on testing that one? Also: why havent anyone made like properly HUGE air coolers. The DH15 is large and all that, but I have a HUGE case where that kind of clearance isn't nevessary. With the peerless assassin in there I have another 12 cm of clearance (fractal define 7xl). I cant be the only one that buys a processor and then restrict it until I can stand the noise.
There are quite a lot of fins being added, so that's expectable it would improve... But going neck to neck with Peerless Assassin & Assassin III are something that we didn't expect...
Pretty sold on this. I guess it could look better, bit more gloss finish on the cover and some black on the edge of the fins but who really cares at this price range. Very well done Scythe.
I wish this cooler had come out last year. My AK620 is still one of my worst purchases. I had to replace the trashy humming fans that came with it, and I had to move the fan that's above the RAM slot to the other side so that I could cool my overclocked RAM sticks.
The ba120 from thermalright is the same Ultra 120 extreme but with one fan for 23 bucks. Amazing Value. Too bad thermalright doesn't have any longer the TA 140 EX ... that was my favorite for 28 bucks.
Would swapping in even higher static pressure fans like the A12x25 & A12x15 significantly improve the performance of this cooler? Or possibly using the extra fan clips for the optional 3rd fan to mount a T30? The Scythe Kaze Flex II 120x26 1500rpm tops out at a static pressure of 1.5 mmH2O (vs the A12x25's 2.34 mmH2O at 2000rpm) and the Scythe Kaze Flex II 120x15 tops out at a static pressure of 0.96 mmH2O (vs A12x15's 1.53 mmH2O at 1850rpm). The Phanteks T30's static pressure is kind of in another league at 3.30 mmH2O at 2000rpm. I don't think the extra cost would be worthwhile if buying new fans, but many of us have A12x25, A12x15 and T30's we've purchased previously making the cost of a fan swap like this exactly $0. If the Scythe Fuma 3 is going to be the budget cooler of the year could you do some more extensive fan swap testing?
Thanks for bringing this up. Now I've added to my list of fans that Im planning to buy TR Frost Spirit 140 TR Phantom Spirit Scythe Fuma 3 I'll only pick one of the three
I strongly considered this cooler for my 5800X3D, but I really wanted an all-black tower so I ended up going with the AK620 Zero Dark and I have no complaints about that cooler at all.
i bought an mugen 5 for my 5800x3d and it strugled a little(i live south of brazil=hell on summer) until i switched the fan to a phanteks 3000rpm ahahhaa, it was 2 months ago and there wasnt fuma 3 available here even though i wanted, now im beggining to wonder how better this fuma 3 would be
@@gabrielspohr1333tô pensando em pegar esse fuma 3, tá por 400$. Mas queria ver os testes nos processadores mais parrudos pra ver como se sai, mesmo sabendo que irá se sair bem kkkkkk
10:09 I would have liked to see how it looks with the three fans and see how the 3 are connected (with an adapter or separate?), I have not found photos of anyone trying it.
Scythe is my favourite cooler maker it's a pity they don't get much attention at all. Though I think their fans might be worth replacing with something like discounted gray line noctuas. I wish they made some new kama cross cooler as it was a pretty unique and well performing design
Liking my Fuma 3 with my 13600k. I intentionally went for the i5 to have less wattage and hence less cooling needed. Working well, in the 60s when gaming.
I thought the newer Fuma and future coolers would use the wonder snail fans which are optimized for static pressure. The performance might have been even better using them
There's no plans right now. Perhaps in the future though. We are focusing on the higher end space since some of these s tier coolers actually cost as much as more budget focused options.
I was using Fuma 2 and it's a great cooler. Now I'm moving to 13600k and therefore ordered and already received yesterday Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE and this review came out.... Boy I'm glad my cooler isn't worse than the new Fuma😂 But I'm sure Fuma 3 is an amazing cooler too
Dammit! I have the original Scythe Fuma2 that has been running perfectly for the past 2 years. It runs in a smallish 20L MATX based system and the I5-12600KF has been perfectly cooled by it no matter what I demand of the CPU. It would be incredibly stupid of me to replace the Fuma2 with a new Fuma3 but it does look 'cooler' and at only $50 it would be a fun upgrade. And yes, I can confirm about the fans. My rig is 18in away from me and with the Noctua case fans it's completely silent right up to the point where I start to fire up Cyberpunk.
So the D15 is still quieter ? And how you attached the 3rd fan? but if you will buy the third fan maybe it will cost near the price of the D15 ? And also - build quality and materials I guess is better on the D15 ?
How does the Fuma 3 compare to the Ninja 5 Rev.B? The latter was Scythe's top of the line cooler for a few years and it's still really good from what I remember.
can you try ID Cooling ? 207xt advanced or slim ? They make the best looking cpu coolers right there and I think if you swap their fans (noisy) you have great performance.
Not having good luck with the Fuma 3 on my 7800x3d. First mistake I missed the plastic on the heatsink face. That was easy to spot when I noticed the processor running about 70C in BIAS. After fixing that I have been testing the last few days. So far at 900RPM I get around 40db 18" from the case at full idle. Running Cinebench R23 single core I get 1300 RPM, is about 50db. Running Cinebench 23 multi I get 1600RPM 53db and 89C/4800Mhz all cores, 17800ish score. As far as I can tell the iGPU is disabled but it does not seem to have made any difference.
Hey Mike - is it possible to add a Noctua NF-P12 redux as the 3rd fan on this Fuma 3? I have a few extras laying around and could put them to use vs. buying a Kaze Flex II for the 3rd fan. Let me know, thank you! I bought the Fuma 3 based on your review - can't wait to install it when it arrives!
Makes me feel good about buying the TR FS 140, quieter, and better performance than the Fuma 3. Size isn't an issue in my case and I paid $31 for it a while back.
Thermalright set the precedent for price to performance with their air coolers. I’m not a fan of dual tower coolers except for the fuma due to the offset allowing for unobstructed ram access
Why NOONE, actually NOONE speak about one change from Fuma 2 - asynchronous in second axis. FUMA 2 was asynchronous in 1 axis (RAM clearance is above every other air cooler with dual fans). Now they introduced second axis, which is vertical - FUMA 3 is now sligthly further from GPU. This is something important, really important if you want to reach PCIE clip (or lock).
My old box still has Scythe Kabuto which runs around 315 rpm when the system is idling and 500-600 rpm under load. 1500 rpm sounds high for my ears already.
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I wonder what's your comment about completely different results GN posted on deep assassin 4? Does deep cool have some serious QC issues or your tests somehow are not favoring new model ?
This is such an important question, I think it deserves a longer answer and a pin since the topic has been brought up a few times. First and foremost, there is no "right" methodology when it comes to CPU cooler testing or even fan testing for that matter. Ultimately the results presented by a reviewer will be relevant ONLY to their specific test setup in their specific environment.
Regardless of how well temperature controlled or heat load controlled the setup is, in the end we're all simply doing A/B testing so the results are only comparative to that specific testing environment / situation. That's why the number of coolers being tested is important and its why we've laser focused on the high end air cooling segment for now. I'd say we have the most comprehensive list of high end air coolers, tested on a modern system on the planet. If there's a more complete list let me know.
As for comparative testing between methodologies, its impossible to draw parallels. We've eschewed the whole static hypothetical thermal load scenario like Anandtech used simply because it doesn't give real world results, which isn't necessarily wrong because it can be VERY accurate. Rather we tested (for MONTHS) and avoided it because it can misrepresent what people can and should expect when running systems themselves. Does it give accurate A/B testing results? Absolutely! Does it matter to people? That's debatable.
Our system isn't perfect (nor will we ever self-aggrandize by talking about how much we spent on it) but at the same time it gives a very wide gamut of thermal results that's representative of a large cross section of people who are looking to buy a new system or upgrade their existing setup. We do gaming, 180W, 253W and No Limit across EVERY decibel point we can achieve. Also its why we invested the time and effort to test on a newer architecture. To me at least, that gives a very good, if not amazing, overall perspective for representational performance.
As for our testing versus GN's, I don't now how they test or what they've tested. But I think the items I listed above highlight why results end up being different (and sometimes conflicting) and why you should watch a wide cross section of videos in order to make a better purchasing decision. Hope that helps! - MIKE
@@HardwareCanucks Thank you Mike. Always a pleasure to watch your reviews
GN is using an older AM4 platform for these tests.
@@HardwareCanucks Every test for every CPU cooler is different across multiple reviews.
CPU / case / ambient / case fans / OC / thermal paste / mounting pressure etc all make choosing the "best" CPU cooler near impossible.
I think the best we can do is use multiple reviews and land somewhere close.
@@Chopper153 I dont compare numbers across different reviews, but only within. What was strange to me is that Assasing IV performed better than 3 for GN, while it was opposite here. It might be due to die position but that sounds very weird
Finally another cooler that's a legitimately good option alongside Thermalright's lineup. This supplants the AK620 as the "Best Value Cooler Not Made By Thermalright" pretty handily.
Can always count on you for great cooler reviews. Scythe and Thermalright are making it difficult to justify the price of high end air coolers.
Used a couple of Scythe coolers on several builds, including the Fuma 2.Excelent quality and performance is all can say about this brand 👍
Peerless Assassin, which fits in a case as small as the NR200, continues to be the best bang-for-the-buck cooler on the market.
It's cheaper too. However I prefer the looks of the Fuma 2/3 in the NR200, it doesn't cover the ram like the PA120/SE does. The regular PA120 is 157mm tall too, so a lot of motherboards may make it so you can't fit the TG on.
I'm waiting for the all white Fuma 3 to put into my NR200.
It's also not sold in Europe
Basically yes. But there's two potential hiccups. A) the longevity of its fans and B) insane pricing for the PA series in some regions.
@@HardwareCanucks didn't realize the fans were an issue. I swapped mine out for the Noctua NF-A12x25s and it runs great.
I'd argue not being able to buy the Scythe Fuma 3 is bigger problem that a couple of TR fans crapping out on the PA.
I bought the Fuma 3 for my 7700x and its been great. Granted I undervolted my 7700x so its easier to cool. But I love how quiet it is, and the super easy install was so darn nice. Plus the free long magnetic screwdriver is great to for other applications!
Great review as always ! I would love to see how those coolers perform on Ryzen CPUs compared to Intel CPUs since their size and the placement of the heat sources are different.
A good example of that is the Thermalright Frost Spirit which performs worse than the Peerless Assassin on Ryzen CPUs and the opposite can be said when those coolers are tested with Intel CPUs.
This is an interesting concept. Lots of work but maybe I'll set up a donation bin...haha
Actually a really nice test Mike! Hope you get to try the PA, frost spirit and PA on both a ryzen and intel platform so we can know this!
Was thinking to replace my actual corsair 240mm AIO with an air cooler later this year and after building two systems with a peerless assassin i was chocked on how good theses new air coolers are.... So maybe i'll consider scythe !
man it would be sick if you have 3 fan config picture of the fan, i choose cpu cooler also by aesthetic lol, good review nonetheless, keep up the good work!
It would be better if the video could show us how the Fuma 3 look like with a 3rd fan. and a link to the 3rd fan.
This is awesome, one piece of feedback here: for the graphics charts I think it would help a lot more having the name of the other products next to lines matching coloring the way it was in other past videos, I found it harder to going back and forth with naming on the right and visuals on the left, hope that helps!
That's a good observation. We've got our best graphic guy on it.
@@HardwareCanucks 🥳🎉
I bought the fuma 2 about 2 years ago. If I hadn't, i would be buying this one.
I am very impressed with a Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE dual fan cooler that I got with my 13700k on a prime deal. The cooler was only $40. No doubt the $10 Thermalright anti bending/cooling plate I also installed helps too.
black/white editions should release end of the year, GN interviewed them during computex and thats what they said about the fuma 3 i believe
Hence why I said "for now". ;)
Also i dont believe its for the Fuma. Black / White will be for the new Mugen series this year.
I'm so happy you did this. I been waiting for a review with it sitting in my cart for like 4 days.
I really enjoy your cooler/fans reviews 👍
Thanks!
Waiting room for review of Thermalright Frost Tower 120 😎
And finally worthy opponent for Thermalright coolers
Dude! I've been water cooling for 24 years, Small Servers, Home Computers and Calculators from back in the day. I just put the Thermalright Assassin on a new build, using ryzen 9 3950x and it runs almost as cool as my water cooled system! I think I am going to switch my personal rig back to air cooling, because the performance difference only is apparent during the winter months here in Maine. This past winter I was running my water cooled system at 1C but I can't move the computer like I can the air cooled system. Brilliant! Finally!
I was kind amped for this one. I've used Scythe coolers for a while and like them for the price x performance they offer. After seeing you guys paying attention and showing so many great options, including the fuma 2, with so many comparisons and reviews i was kind anxious to see this one. And it did not disappoint, Scythe have managed to make a very well engineered cooler, that keeps all the good (including price, compatibility) of the older version, while making it better in looks and performance. Great review as always Mike, thanks for the excellent video.
PS: You mistaking the D15 with the D14 actually brought a smile to my face, shows how way back you go, as a D14 owner, that miss was a hit for me haha
For what you get for the price, it's the best in the business 👌 💯 personally, I don't like big air coolers. I'll take a medium sized cooler that best in class, black, quiet and it disappears in the case. But that's me. Nice video, take care.
I wonder what happens with a fan swap to x2 Noctua NF-A12x25s.
Not necessarily anything good. The heat sink is tuned for these specific fans, and also utilise a (in the cooler market) unique reverse flow design, with the fans spinning in opposite directions. Not sure how well those two things translate to a fan swap
Imagine they offer a version where the front fan is standard 120*25mm fan and charge the exact same price. I'm absolutely ok with front fan poking upwards a little bit if RAMs are too tall. It's probably gonna be just as good as the d15.
By the way, have you guys ever checked out Thermalright PS120SE? It's supposed to be a PA120 that's optimized for newer generation sockets like LGA1700 and AM5. It's slightly more expensive than PA120SE and has 7 heat pipes.
The performance difference will be minuscule with a 25mm front fan vs the 15mm.
@@justinreynolds6318 Doubt that. The pressure difference between 15mm and 25mm fans are massive. There's a reason why fan manufacturers are pushing fan thickness beyond 25mm right now.
@@maozedowner5915 There's also a reason why newer air coolers are butting up the middle (pull) fan right up against the tower that the (push) fan is attached to. What the 15mm fan lacks in static pressure will be pretty well compensated for by the (pull) fan pulling air through the (push) fan. Obviously a thicker fan would be better, but there was a reason why Scythe chose to use a 15mm fan up front when literally everyone else is using 25mm+. It's because on this specific tower design and fin density, they found the return in performance was minimal compared to the benefits of a lower price point and better RAM compatibility.
Have you tested Deepcool AG620? It cost around $40 in South East Asia with the same performance of AK620, meanwhile the Peerless Assassin cost around $65-70
Its the same performance as the AK620 in these charts
Man am i glad i got the NH D15 a few years back. Legendary cpu cooler.
Amazing review of an amazing family of coolers! Really wishing my white peerless assassin fit my mobo in my NR200. Now I’m thinking of getting this and spray painting the heat pipe caps lol
Just rewatched GN’s Fuma 3 preview from a month ago and there’s a white and a black version of the Fuma 3! Ok I’ll wait 😂
I looking for 100% Ram clearance , good cooling performance , compact design for my mid case , good price. SCYTHE Fuma 3 win on all sides and beat competitors. Just ordered for my AMD 7 5700X because its so hot for aftermarket lowprice 2heatpipe cooler. Good Job SCYTHE
Excellent demonstration, as usual. You are my go-to fan cooling guy!
My take away is that Thermalright Frost Spirit is the performance to price winner in CPU coolers!
Well, the phantom spirit (the successor of the PA) is bragging some impressive (but incremental) improvements.
Any plan on testing that one?
Also: why havent anyone made like properly HUGE air coolers. The DH15 is large and all that, but I have a HUGE case where that kind of clearance isn't nevessary. With the peerless assassin in there I have another 12 cm of clearance (fractal define 7xl). I cant be the only one that buys a processor and then restrict it until I can stand the noise.
There are quite a lot of fins being added, so that's expectable it would improve...
But going neck to neck with Peerless Assassin & Assassin III are something that we didn't expect...
Pretty sold on this. I guess it could look better, bit more gloss finish on the cover and some black on the edge of the fins but who really cares at this price range. Very well done Scythe.
I think GN stated in one of their videos that they are making a black and white version that will available near the end of 2023.
I wish this cooler had come out last year. My AK620 is still one of my worst purchases. I had to replace the trashy humming fans that came with it, and I had to move the fan that's above the RAM slot to the other side so that I could cool my overclocked RAM sticks.
😥 This is only $50. Maybe replace it with the Fuma 3?
The ba120 from thermalright is the same Ultra 120 extreme but with one fan for 23 bucks. Amazing Value. Too bad thermalright doesn't have any longer the TA 140 EX ... that was my favorite for 28 bucks.
Would swapping in even higher static pressure fans like the A12x25 & A12x15 significantly improve the performance of this cooler? Or possibly using the extra fan clips for the optional 3rd fan to mount a T30? The Scythe Kaze Flex II 120x26 1500rpm tops out at a static pressure of 1.5 mmH2O (vs the A12x25's 2.34 mmH2O at 2000rpm) and the Scythe Kaze Flex II 120x15 tops out at a static pressure of 0.96 mmH2O (vs A12x15's 1.53 mmH2O at 1850rpm). The Phanteks T30's static pressure is kind of in another league at 3.30 mmH2O at 2000rpm.
I don't think the extra cost would be worthwhile if buying new fans, but many of us have A12x25, A12x15 and T30's we've purchased previously making the cost of a fan swap like this exactly $0. If the Scythe Fuma 3 is going to be the budget cooler of the year could you do some more extensive fan swap testing?
When you can't hear the sound sample testing because your current CPU fan is too loud 😭
Thanks for the great video, the butter comparison is both funny and relevant.
Mike,the CoolerMaster.
Thanks for bringing this up. Now I've added to my list of fans that Im planning to buy
TR Frost Spirit 140
TR Phantom Spirit
Scythe Fuma 3
I'll only pick one of the three
I strongly considered this cooler for my 5800X3D, but I really wanted an all-black tower so I ended up going with the AK620 Zero Dark and I have no complaints about that cooler at all.
Does it cover the rams?
i bought an mugen 5 for my 5800x3d and it strugled a little(i live south of brazil=hell on summer) until i switched the fan to a phanteks 3000rpm ahahhaa, it was 2 months ago and there wasnt fuma 3 available here even though i wanted, now im beggining to wonder how better this fuma 3 would be
@@gabrielspohr1333tô pensando em pegar esse fuma 3, tá por 400$. Mas queria ver os testes nos processadores mais parrudos pra ver como se sai, mesmo sabendo que irá se sair bem kkkkkk
@@ooRayaan qual cpu tu tem? a nao ser q seja um i9 vai de boa, tem a opçao de trocar os fans tbm
@@gabrielspohr1333 no momento estou com um R5600g, porém tô pensando em pegar o 5800x3d.
$50 for this cooler!? That is amazing for the performance it gives. Definitely going to buy this when I upgrade my pc in the future.
10:09 I would have liked to see how it looks with the three fans and see how the 3 are connected (with an adapter or separate?), I have not found photos of anyone trying it.
Scythe is my favourite cooler maker it's a pity they don't get much attention at all. Though I think their fans might be worth replacing with something like discounted gray line noctuas. I wish they made some new kama cross cooler as it was a pretty unique and well performing design
I just ordered mine fuma3 if will be annoying i have cm mobius fans left 😉
Oh snap, there's a 3 now? The 2 was pretty damn sweet, cant wait to see these results!
Liking my Fuma 3 with my 13600k. I intentionally went for the i5 to have less wattage and hence less cooling needed. Working well, in the 60s when gaming.
I thought the newer Fuma and future coolers would use the wonder snail fans which are optimized for static pressure. The performance might have been even better using them
I've got the Fuma 2 and ain't replacing it...
July 2023, when both butter and Scythe are blowing Mikes mind.
Cannot wait for this to launch in central europe
Please welcome the Thermalscythe FOMO 10! Get the same performance at a similar size as it's competitors for $1 less!! In a store near you soon!
Thanks for the great review. I have ordered Fuma 3 with extra High Speed Model fans, is it good idea to swap the default fans with High Speed Model?
Nice Video! Can you Test this Cooler on a AMD CPU 5800x3D? A lot of coolers have problems with the lower cpu chip position.
Will be waiting for review of Cooler Master MA824 which seems to be priced similar to new Assasin.
@HardwareCanucks
Do you plan on testing the Kotestu 3? I absolutely love your air cooler reviews and want to see what you guys think about it.
There's no plans right now. Perhaps in the future though. We are focusing on the higher end space since some of these s tier coolers actually cost as much as more budget focused options.
I was using Fuma 2 and it's a great cooler. Now I'm moving to 13600k and therefore ordered and already received yesterday Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE and this review came out.... Boy I'm glad my cooler isn't worse than the new Fuma😂 But I'm sure Fuma 3 is an amazing cooler too
Hope to see people recommending this instead of continuing to shill for noctua, which makes no sense in comparison
Great info but I have a question . Would the FUMA 3 be enough for the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 8-core CPU?
Dammit! I have the original Scythe Fuma2 that has been running perfectly for the past 2 years. It runs in a smallish 20L MATX based system and the I5-12600KF has been perfectly cooled by it no matter what I demand of the CPU. It would be incredibly stupid of me to replace the Fuma2 with a new Fuma3 but it does look 'cooler' and at only $50 it would be a fun upgrade. And yes, I can confirm about the fans. My rig is 18in away from me and with the Noctua case fans it's completely silent right up to the point where I start to fire up Cyberpunk.
So the D15 is still quieter ?
And how you attached the 3rd fan? but if you will buy the third fan maybe it will cost near the price of the D15 ?
And also - build quality and materials I guess is better on the D15 ?
Pretty shocked at this performance given how much the Kotetsu Mk.3 struggled against the AK400
How does the Fuma 3 compare to the Ninja 5 Rev.B? The latter was Scythe's top of the line cooler for a few years and it's still really good from what I remember.
can you try ID Cooling ? 207xt advanced or slim ? They make the best looking cpu coolers right there and I think if you swap their fans (noisy) you have great performance.
2:45 Mileage may vary. There are already posts on reditt about the Fuma 3 not fitting in the NR200.
I'll order this once it comes out with an all-white version!
This is really very good. Peerless Assassin keeps justifying its name tho
Scythe really takes their time to bring the best product.....now the king is finally back, watch out Noctua.
i wonder if this tops the Phantom 120 SE (which is still cheaper)
I'm waiting for them to add the Phantom Spirit into their chart too. I'd love to see if it's an upgrade
It would be great if there was an image of showing the third fan on the cooler, because I am not sure what is going on at @10:10
Will changing the fan with higher rpm and static pressure improve its thermals?
Not having good luck with the Fuma 3 on my 7800x3d. First mistake I missed the plastic on the heatsink face. That was easy to spot when I noticed the processor running about 70C in BIAS. After fixing that I have been testing the last few days. So far at 900RPM I get around 40db 18" from the case at full idle. Running Cinebench R23 single core I get 1300 RPM, is about 50db. Running Cinebench 23 multi I get 1600RPM 53db and 89C/4800Mhz all cores, 17800ish score. As far as I can tell the iGPU is disabled but it does not seem to have made any difference.
Wow… i did not expect this… 😍
Would it be worth picking this up if I’m currently on a 3 year old Mugen rev B?
Would swapping out the Scythe and PA's fans for Arctic's P12 max improve performance?
Hey Mike - is it possible to add a Noctua NF-P12 redux as the 3rd fan on this Fuma 3? I have a few extras laying around and could put them to use vs. buying a Kaze Flex II for the 3rd fan. Let me know, thank you! I bought the Fuma 3 based on your review - can't wait to install it when it arrives!
Yes, though at the rear
@@HardwareCanucks thank you!
So deep cool assassin III is king? Does it work on 1150 socket? Are there any bracket for it?
Any AM5 testing?
Makes me feel good about buying the TR FS 140, quieter, and better performance than the Fuma 3. Size isn't an issue in my case and I paid $31 for it a while back.
A pity it's not actually available over here in the UK.
Interesting pipes, but damn, looks like I did right going with the peerless assassin 😮
Noticed the front fan is very thin and has low rpm, if you wanted to use another fan would the fan clips fit a normal sized 120mm fan?
They would not unfortunately
@@HardwareCanucks Thanks, had a look on their site and found they have ARGB and higher rpm versions with the same dimensions
Can you test this cooler with full size noctua fans? :"(
you should try an even cheaper, but supposedly better TR Phantom Spirit 120 SE than Peerless Assassin, with 7 heatpipes
full white/black coolers were set to be released Q4 this year
sadly, still not a competitior to least pricy PA120 ;/
Waiting for the White or Black version 😊
Could you check out the Alpenföhn Brocken 4 Max?
I love the frost spirit 140, only costed me 45CAD
Mentioned this in your computer vids, I will never get over how your presentation style just sounds like an ad read.
If you want teleprompter reading you'll need to go to another channel. Everything we do is typically unscripted.
According to the Gamers Nexus video, all black/all white Fuma 3 models are coming late 2023! They actually showed them on camera in Taiwan.
Please review and test scythe grand tornado fan
It was completely silence until 800 rpm. Which is more than enough airflow.
That all good but dies it compete with AIO?
Thermalright set the precedent for price to performance with their air coolers. I’m not a fan of dual tower coolers except for the fuma due to the offset allowing for unobstructed ram access
What we have yet to see is the durability of their fans whereas Scythe's fans are very well regarded for longevity
For the 3rd fan, which Kaziflex 2 to get? They have 3 of them: Low Noise, Regular, High speed. Which ones come with the cooler?
High speed
I have a hyper 212 cooling a 5700x and I only use for gaming. Will this make much of a difference?
Why NOONE, actually NOONE speak about one change from Fuma 2 - asynchronous in second axis. FUMA 2 was asynchronous in 1 axis (RAM clearance is above every other air cooler with dual fans). Now they introduced second axis, which is vertical - FUMA 3 is now sligthly further from GPU. This is something important, really important if you want to reach PCIE clip (or lock).
Um HFS... I never thought of trying that... 3 fans on my Deep Cool Assassin 3...
My old box still has Scythe Kabuto which runs around 315 rpm when the system is idling and 500-600 rpm under load. 1500 rpm sounds high for my ears already.
So which case fans to pair with this cooler to make a silent PC?
oh man, this is mad cooler!
8:42 13 coolers in the key, but only 12 lines on the graph. Where is the Dark Rock Pro 4?
Need this in white asap
where i can buy this cooler? i din't finded any fuma3 cpu cooler in the amazon link
Which region?
@@HardwareCanucks i live on brasil
Me either. And I am from Brasil too.
I almost buy a Deepcool AK620, but I decided to wait for this Fuma 3.
Reached out to Scythe for you. South American distribution will be in August.