the question is.. is Ryzen 7000 worth it over 13th gen if Ryzen 7000 in general runs so hot despite the low TDP on non-x versions.. Not lots of MB options for ITX on either side and especially the AM5-ITX mb seems riddled with issues unless you buy the most expensive ASUS B650E-I.. Too bad the non-x versions weren't tested..
@christofferaasted the b650e-i is probably the most problematic board in the itx lineup for am5. Tbf asus has more bios issues at every level and size tho. Asrock is the way to go for am5 across the board.
Thanks for doing this! I think it proves that Ryzen 7000 cooling worries are overblown (pun not intended) for the most workloads and use-cases. And yet by actually carrying out the testing, you pointed out what caveats do arise. I would be happy to point anyone looking at cooling Ryzen 7000 with constrained air cooling solutions to this video! Great job testing this in real conditions. Thanks again!
Non X variants come with stock coolers if I'm not mistaken, so without overclocking it would be sufficient even in sff cases I think, but yes, overclocking is also interesting
So what you're saying is... I can undervolt and use one of these in my Silverstone RVZ-02? Sweet! Gonna have to save some money for a build upgrade in 2023.
Phenomenal video. These are the kinds of comparisons I love from you guys - especially the attention to nuance. Incredibly helpful, easy to understand, and allows me to make a more informed decision.
I have recently switched my focus to primarily SFF builds so thank you for this video. Coincidentally, I am patiently waiting for the N-ATX and P-ATX cases to go back on sale. I also like how you touched on PBO Curve Optimiser. Optimum Tech did a very detailed video on it titled 'Ryzen 5000 Undervolting with PBO2 - Absolutely Worth Doing'. A big tip in that video which helped me with my Zen 3 builds was that some Asus BIOS settings have an extra setting called 'PBO Limits'. If that setting is there for a particular motherboard (noted the one in the video does not have this), it needs to be disabled for the undervolted curve to have the desired effect.
@@josiahjones7654 Hardware Canucks, Optimum Tech and Gear Seekers are becoming my steady favourite for SFF content. Each brings something special to the table.
I' using a 7600 (yes, this is the 7600 with 65W TDP) with AXP120-x67. This fan is similar to the Scythe Big Shuriken 3B, using 6 heat pipes and a 12-inch fan. I found that it was unable to suppress the 7600 under the stock setting of the CPU with all cores and full load. The temperature soared to 95 degrees and the CPU frequency could only reach about 4.9G. When playing games, it can often reach 70-80 degrees or even 90 degrees, and the CPU utilization is only 15%-25%. I adjusted the PBO -40 optimized voltage curve (yes, this CPU is of good quality), adjusted the SOC voltage -0.025 and set the temperature limit to 83 degrees. Only then can the temperature be acceptable(60-70, most of time less 80 degree) in daily games. The good news is that I released the PBO freq up to 200MHZ, so it's single core usually can reach 5.3G in daily usage. The new generation of Ryzen 7000 is really hot. This is already the lowest-end CPU in the series, but still.
Incredibly informative and a top notch video. This has really help shape up future builds when I recycle the current parts on AM4 and AM5. In regards to build planning, I would say everyone should be very meticulous about it especially pricing and trend anaylsis (yes it sounds fancy - however, we all do it every day especially grocery shopping) as people would save a tonne of money.
Please add the Jonsbo low profile coolers (HP-400S, HX4000D and HX6000D) to future tests. They are rated for big TDPs by the manufacturer but I'd love to see it being benchmarked.
I really enjoy this kind of videos about LP coolers) Please consider testing new ones, such as beQuiet Pure Rock LP and ID Cooling IS-47-XT. For now, there is almost no information on these.
I got a Louqe Raw S1 recently because of their price slashing. I got the ID Cooling IS-60 and it's been doing really well for me with a noctua fan swap for the slim 120mm.
@@GSP-76regular 120 fan swap originally gave me 3C and I got another 2 or so from the noctua swap. Use that nice soft cell foam from another electronics packaging and cut out the frame shape for a 120mm fan. Then cut out the middle and you have a nice fan gasket for the back exhaust 120mm. That dropped temps the most for me. Turned 100c under load to 92 max. (Referring to my loque case)
This is for my specific listed case of course. If yours is different I can't attest that it will drop temps 5C. In my case where is was immediately thermal throttling it was a pretty big difference. If your temps stock are 50c it likely won't be as big of a difference.
6 views o: also 7000 series is still pretty meh to me, motherboards and DDR5 has to go down in price first, the cheapest motherboards here in norway for AM5 is 250€ lol
I didn't go with AMD this upgrade cycle becaues of lower core counts and higher entry cost, so I have an i5-13600k, but I knew either way that the thermals wouldn't really be an issue for either side The fact that we have BIOS's that make undervolting / power limiting so easy means that no matter what, we won't burn up our hardware. Realistically, for gaming work loads, there's just no performance impact at all.
I did the same thing. I have a genuine use case for a bunch of atom cores, so I got a 13700K and undervolted it. With a very slight downclock on the P-cores of 80mhz I can do -200mv and it peaks at 170W.
You should definitely throw the Wraith Stealth in here for fun to see how low voltages need to be to run with that. I still run a Wraith Stealth on my R5 3600 undervolted to 1.15v at 3.9ghz and would love to see how low I’d have to get a 7600/x at to stay cool under it.
I know it is a year later, but i'm running a ryzen 5 7500F uldervolted + overclocked with the wraith prism with strong fan curve Curve optimizer : -30 Boost clock : +150mhz I managed to get the same score as the ryzen 5 7600X and temps maxed out around 82-83C, 24C ambient so i won't think the wraith stealth can't keep it down with the r5 7600/x
Thanks Mike I love the deep dive into small form factor coolers definitely throws a wrench in the works for the future of this form factor to some degree. For a small period of time the highest performance gear was useable in the smallest footprint just as that was developing into the mainstream production of itx cases we might see this era coming to an end... at least for a generation or two. I imagine that out of case radiators are going to be more common in the forum posts for a little while. My only hope is that somehow this results in itx cases with 360 aio compatibility outside of that one sliger case this area feels rather unoptimized in the current market. I've done some calculations and with the modern size of gpu coolers almost matching up to 360 rads it should be possible within 18 liters of volume and no need for a riser cable. I haven't modeled anything though.
This was a great eye opener as I only have low profile coolers like the Shuriken and so far is does extremely well with a 5900x as long as there is some active air pulling the heat out the case. Man when will they release the N-ATX again?
Too be fail the L9A is running into a physics limit, it's just so small that it does not have the surface area or air flow to absorb and dissipate the heat. The cooling issues are compounded by the extra thick IHS on the 7000 series. A better option would be the L9x65 or L9x65 SE-AM4. It's still low profile at 65mm but has more mass to soak up the heat with.
I know what's happening between Big shuriken 3 and IS-55. Big shuriken 3 has 70mm in height and IS-55 only 55mm, in a case with 79mm clearance, so it will pull more fresh air. You should try a fan duct to see if the gap between the two closes or use P-ATX with IS-55 to see if it performs better.
I feel like picking a 7900 over a 7700x is a better idea for small form factor considering it has a 65w tdp vs the 7700x that’s has the 105w tdp. So in theory you would have zero issues ever with a IS-55 on a 7900 like you had in the small form factor case with the 7700x
Have a dope experiment.... try running the 7950x3d delided, with a direct die frame, liquid metal(obviously), the id cooling is55 equipped with a noctua industrial 120mm fan, and setting the temp target in the bio/uefi to 80-85c with no offset. I bet you get most of if not all of the performance of a stock 7950x3d, running reasonably cool, on a low profile cooler
Nice testing. When I first saw the 7000 series I was like oh no there goes SFF cases usage, nice to see with some proper tuning you can still get decent cooling and performance.
Eco mode kind of chokes the CPU. You should absolutely consider a negative PBO offset with a manual power limit of 70-90 watts. PBO will optimise the v-f curve and give better performance, while the power limit will bring it back down to reasonable temperatures. Best of both worlds.
Interesting. Can you do the same test but with an Artic Freezer 120 AIO II? And yes, can you use an AMD GPU? There are people like me that will never buy a Nvidia GPU, so we will like to see that.
Yes Tech City has some good videos using classic overclock/ undervolting. It's a good compromise between heat and performance. You guys should take a look at them. Good video. Thank you.
Thanks, this helps much more than all the claims that low profile heatsinks don't work for modern CPUs. I'd like to see more options for "medium" heatsinks though, like the L9-65
So AMD gives AM5 ITX builders 3 options ……. Undervolt, Eco Mode or go Intel for your ITX builds 🤦🤦♀👎. I’m stickin* with my 5800X3D itx builds for the time being …… then look at Intel maybe going forward ……. Eventually down the road, ITX users like me will have to look at i3’s for ITX or go to MATX for higher end builds 😢👎
To be fair, as an alternative to eco mode, rumor has it that AMD will soon (January?) be releasing some cooler (65W) Zen 4 CPUs. Effectively, they'll have eco mode on, with no way of turning it off, but the processors will cost less, so you're not paying for performance you aren't intending to use anyway. …At least, that's what various leakers have supposedly said.
You can also go lower than -10. Ryzen master has a tester in it that will give you the value your chip can handle. It's not always perfect but it's a good starting point. Personally, just turn it all the way down to -30 and see if your computer crashes at idle (not under load), some chips can handle it just fine. If it does crash then dial it back little by little until you hit that sweet spot. For instance my 5700x can do a -21 all core offset so it runs cooler and the clock speeds hit 4850mhz which is 150 mhz higher than stock.
@@HardwareCanucks Actually AXP is still made and sold, just not in NA. I bought one last week. I know it will cost extra with delivery, but I feel like they offer something others don't.
@@harryshuman9637 why would they review something that is not sold in NA ? And why ask them to review it if you have one ? Need to confirm you made a good choice ? 😂
@@amadei2 Because there is such thing as online shops who deliver worldwide? People who want the best order from anywhere. Only normies go to K-Mart to get the NH-L12S. Boring.
I do have a L9a with a 5950X (velkase velka 3) my experience: curve optimiser will NOT WORK or be very unstable, might not complete. what I did is undervolt to -0.125 and reduced frequency to 3.7ghz to get a very stable product. (around 86 degres C) -0.1 & 3.9 ghz works you get better performances but might get around 92 degres C during long loads.
I dont have SFF but I just wanted a smaller air cooler cause the towers are so big blocking everything lol Thermalright axp90-x53 copper edition looks awesome and works great with my 7600x and modern mid tower case
@@-opus they are playing it safe in a way i guess. And tbh i've had my 7600x for a week now and just in the last hour found instability playing sottr. Not 100% sure if the cpu offset is the culprit yet but i think it might well be. So i might end up at -10 offset as well. Fingers crossed it's more like -25 or -20...
@@martheunen Hopefully the issue doesn't reoccur. I built my 5700x system only a couple of days ago, set to -30 and have not experienced any issues so far, early days though.
With the low profile cooler my Ryzen 7 7700 hit temps above 90°C while gaming so I will have to get another am5 cooler that is better than the stock cooler but great video!
For anyone that's seeing this now, you can buy a thermal grizzly backplate an mount about any am4 cooler. The backplate is the problem. Just get a thermalright AM5 cpu bracket, thermal grizzly back plate, and run whatever you want successfully.
I am running a 7900 with a bunch of Noctua fans and heatsinks, in an 'sound insulated' case, the thing is literally silent under normal use. I have to open the box and sit my head in there to even hear something.
Nice visuals graphs, good topic, well done. On a sidenote - probably a lot of small form factor cases need a rework considering recent trends in power targets and GPU sizes. They were made for a different world. So a different CPU cooling along the way could be an option. Also those smallest air coolers weren't 100% great a few years ago either. So there's that.
Disagree on the smallest coolers not being great a few years ago, you just need to know what they are designed for. In small cases with cooler height limits under 40 mm there are only a few options on the market and the NH-L9 works no problem with a 12400 or 5600X. Obviously it isn't going to cool a 5900X or 12900K and it wasn't designed to do so. Ryzen 7000 just runs exceptionally warm and doesn't really have a SKU that works well with such small coolers, at least so far.
@@hwi7114 "only a few options on the market" doesn't mean something is great. They have been very limited in what they can cool all along. To avoid further confusion my current PC runs with NH-U12A. I do like air cooling and consider Noctua NH-L9 and the two others quality products. But none of them is great at cooling. Rather "limited". My main point - many sff cases are designed for those tiny things or aio. In the way stuff is arranged within. Which may need to change. Or not. Because in my world 50mm air cooler clearance sounds ~nonexistent. More so with 250W CPUs. And yes, I do know underV exists.
Sorry amd price cut is not enough without budget motherboard, and ddr 5 that still more than twice the price of ddr 4 so it only make sense for mid to high end build only at the moment
I'm using the Sliger Console with the Thermalright AXP90-X53, NF-A12x25 PWM chromax.black.swap, and 7700X with a -30 offset. Runs like a dream. Unfortunately the ID Cooling IS-55 doesnt fit because the edge collides with the bottom case lip.
I've been wracking my brain trying to cool a 7700X with a L9A, I kept thinking I applied the thermal paste wrong, or the cooler wasn't tight enough, but it just runs HOT! I usually get 65C-70C temps just doing basic tasks. I will try the negative curve optimizer to see how that changes things!
Working with 2 asus z11's right now. One with the 5600x and one with a new 7800. I'm using id cooling's low profile for the am4. Wish this cooler could do a bit better for the am5 because as you've shown before, the is55 was the best for AM4 series
I'm going to assume the new 7900 (non X variant) is the same as the 7900X in ECO mode. As such, the Low Profile Noctua series would be "acceptable", compared to the FAIL that happened with the 7900X.
Is the IS-55 + Gentle Typhoon combo better than Big Shuriken 3? IS-55 will only be 65mm tall, they are roughly the same price here in Asia (IS-55 & XPG Vento Pro are cheaper compared to US pricing).
The best low profile cooler Is the old box cooler from the amd optron serie. The 125watt tdp heatpipes cooler. I have test this cpu cooler agains the new amd box prisma cooler . And the best new cooler of amd have lost agains his old box cooler. And yes you can still use it today thanks to clip systeem support.
I get 60 degrees max on 55W mode on a 5800x3d using a darkrock pro 4 cooler, also doesn't go above 70 degrees whilst gaming. With 30 percent fan speed using a single fan rather than both in large large case.
bequiet just launched a new low profile cooler, Pure Rock LP ... They also have the Shadow Rock LP, that has a 130W cooling capacity... I would've liked to see at least some product from them in this. But it's too late now.
I haven't looked at the mid to low-end...but the top-end isn't cheaper right now. i9 13900K is currently cheaper than 7950X and the top-end equivalent X670E boards are more expensive than the Z790 boards (I'm looking at Asus Hero for my upcoming purchase).
The is60 with its 6 heatpipes is even better than the big shuriken and it can still double it as a 45mm tall cooler if you use only the lower 80mm cooler. Amazing cooler, I use it with a regular Nidec Gentle typhoon and it can beat ordinary single tower 12cms coolers like the Hyper 212.
Soy un usuario de habla hispana; por lo tanto me es complicado sacar una conclusión de todo esto. Alguien me podría decir, después de la revisión, ¿Cuál o cuáles son los mejores disipadores?
I feel like there's not really enough coverage for SFF enthusiasts, so I really appreciate that you guys did this video. Thank you!
great timing for the Fractal Ridge case which requires and are compatible with some of these low profile coolers
time for a case review *hint hint
Compatible with every cooler on here, the BSU is the one I’m interested in
the question is.. is Ryzen 7000 worth it over 13th gen if Ryzen 7000 in general runs so hot despite the low TDP on non-x versions.. Not lots of MB options for ITX on either side and especially the AM5-ITX mb seems riddled with issues unless you buy the most expensive ASUS B650E-I.. Too bad the non-x versions weren't tested..
@christofferaasted the b650e-i is probably the most problematic board in the itx lineup for am5. Tbf asus has more bios issues at every level and size tho. Asrock is the way to go for am5 across the board.
@@MrDutch1e ASrock's illegal warranty policies are what have pushed me away from them.
Thanks for doing this!
I think it proves that Ryzen 7000 cooling worries are overblown (pun not intended) for the most workloads and use-cases. And yet by actually carrying out the testing, you pointed out what caveats do arise. I would be happy to point anyone looking at cooling Ryzen 7000 with constrained air cooling solutions to this video!
Great job testing this in real conditions. Thanks again!
Great, now how about the 65W non-X versions?
Now with the Non-X variants, I would like to see this same thing done again!
Maybe with some overclocking 😏
Non X variants come with stock coolers if I'm not mistaken, so without overclocking it would be sufficient even in sff cases I think, but yes, overclocking is also interesting
At least stock cooler for 7900 has nothing to do with low profile, Google says 97mm height, it also looks pretty tall in unboxing videos.
Great video, a video on eco mode would be greatly appreciated. Keep up the great work!
So what you're saying is... I can undervolt and use one of these in my Silverstone RVZ-02? Sweet! Gonna have to save some money for a build upgrade in 2023.
Phenomenal video. These are the kinds of comparisons I love from you guys - especially the attention to nuance. Incredibly helpful, easy to understand, and allows me to make a more informed decision.
I have recently switched my focus to primarily SFF builds so thank you for this video. Coincidentally, I am patiently waiting for the N-ATX and P-ATX cases to go back on sale.
I also like how you touched on PBO Curve Optimiser. Optimum Tech did a very detailed video on it titled 'Ryzen 5000 Undervolting with PBO2 - Absolutely Worth Doing'. A big tip in that video which helped me with my Zen 3 builds was that some Asus BIOS settings have an extra setting called 'PBO Limits'. If that setting is there for a particular motherboard (noted the one in the video does not have this), it needs to be disabled for the undervolted curve to have the desired effect.
Optium Tech is the SFF Guru
@@josiahjones7654 Hardware Canucks, Optimum Tech and Gear Seekers are becoming my steady favourite for SFF content. Each brings something special to the table.
@@iamChermac Indeed, each have a wealth of knowledge that really helps build planning and troubleshooting to boot.
I' using a 7600 (yes, this is the 7600 with 65W TDP) with AXP120-x67. This fan is similar to the Scythe Big Shuriken 3B, using 6 heat pipes and a 12-inch fan. I found that it was unable to suppress the 7600 under the stock setting of the CPU with all cores and full load. The temperature soared to 95 degrees and the CPU frequency could only reach about 4.9G. When playing games, it can often reach 70-80 degrees or even 90 degrees, and the CPU utilization is only 15%-25%.
I adjusted the PBO -40 optimized voltage curve (yes, this CPU is of good quality), adjusted the SOC voltage -0.025 and set the temperature limit to 83 degrees. Only then can the temperature be acceptable(60-70, most of time less 80 degree) in daily games. The good news is that I released the PBO freq up to 200MHZ, so it's single core usually can reach 5.3G in daily usage.
The new generation of Ryzen 7000 is really hot. This is already the lowest-end CPU in the series, but still.
Looking forward to an extended ECO Mode benchmark 😁
Incredibly informative and a top notch video. This has really help shape up future builds when I recycle the current parts on AM4 and AM5. In regards to build planning, I would say everyone should be very meticulous about it especially pricing and trend anaylsis (yes it sounds fancy - however, we all do it every day especially grocery shopping) as people would save a tonne of money.
Please add the Jonsbo low profile coolers (HP-400S, HX4000D and HX6000D) to future tests. They are rated for big TDPs by the manufacturer but I'd love to see it being benchmarked.
I really enjoy this kind of videos about LP coolers)
Please consider testing new ones, such as beQuiet Pure Rock LP and ID Cooling IS-47-XT.
For now, there is almost no information on these.
I got a Louqe Raw S1 recently because of their price slashing. I got the ID Cooling IS-60 and it's been doing really well for me with a noctua fan swap for the slim 120mm.
I actually have an IS-60...did the fan swap make a big difference?
@@GSP-76regular 120 fan swap originally gave me 3C and I got another 2 or so from the noctua swap. Use that nice soft cell foam from another electronics packaging and cut out the frame shape for a 120mm fan. Then cut out the middle and you have a nice fan gasket for the back exhaust 120mm. That dropped temps the most for me. Turned 100c under load to 92 max. (Referring to my loque case)
This is for my specific listed case of course. If yours is different I can't attest that it will drop temps 5C. In my case where is was immediately thermal throttling it was a pretty big difference. If your temps stock are 50c it likely won't be as big of a difference.
I’m excited to watch this video. I’ve been wanting to see this. Cheers. Thanks for the content
Awesome breakdown Mike, and that new N-ATX sure look good haha :) Thanks!
This video was exactly what I was looking for.
6 views o:
also 7000 series is still pretty meh to me, motherboards and DDR5 has to go down in price first, the cheapest motherboards here in norway for AM5 is 250€ lol
Would love to see Noctua L9x65 compete in this and your future videos :)
Exactly what I was looking forward to... great vid
I didn't go with AMD this upgrade cycle becaues of lower core counts and higher entry cost, so I have an i5-13600k, but I knew either way that the thermals wouldn't really be an issue for either side
The fact that we have BIOS's that make undervolting / power limiting so easy means that no matter what, we won't burn up our hardware.
Realistically, for gaming work loads, there's just no performance impact at all.
I did the same thing. I have a genuine use case for a bunch of atom cores, so I got a 13700K and undervolted it. With a very slight downclock on the P-cores of 80mhz I can do -200mv and it peaks at 170W.
This looks like the ideal cooler for my school desk build.
Thanks for testing these cooler at 50% speed!
why dind´t use NH-l12 from noctua instead of nh-l9.
You should definitely throw the Wraith Stealth in here for fun to see how low voltages need to be to run with that. I still run a Wraith Stealth on my R5 3600 undervolted to 1.15v at 3.9ghz and would love to see how low I’d have to get a 7600/x at to stay cool under it.
I know it is a year later, but i'm running a ryzen 5 7500F uldervolted + overclocked with the wraith prism with strong fan curve
Curve optimizer : -30
Boost clock : +150mhz
I managed to get the same score as the ryzen 5 7600X and temps maxed out around 82-83C, 24C ambient so i won't think the wraith stealth can't keep it down with the r5 7600/x
Thanks Mike I love the deep dive into small form factor coolers definitely throws a wrench in the works for the future of this form factor to some degree. For a small period of time the highest performance gear was useable in the smallest footprint just as that was developing into the mainstream production of itx cases we might see this era coming to an end... at least for a generation or two. I imagine that out of case radiators are going to be more common in the forum posts for a little while.
My only hope is that somehow this results in itx cases with 360 aio compatibility outside of that one sliger case this area feels rather unoptimized in the current market. I've done some calculations and with the modern size of gpu coolers almost matching up to 360 rads it should be possible within 18 liters of volume and no need for a riser cable. I haven't modeled anything though.
This was a great eye opener as I only have low profile coolers like the Shuriken and so far is does extremely well with a 5900x as long as there is some active air pulling the heat out the case. Man when will they release the N-ATX again?
Wish this testing included the 5950x, 5900x, 5800x3d and 5800x. :)
I actually just picked up a 7700x and set its thermal limit to 75c with no performance drop at all.
where NH-L9X65?
Too be fail the L9A is running into a physics limit, it's just so small that it does not have the surface area or air flow to absorb and dissipate the heat. The cooling issues are compounded by the extra thick IHS on the 7000 series. A better option would be the L9x65 or L9x65 SE-AM4. It's still low profile at 65mm but has more mass to soak up the heat with.
I know what's happening between Big shuriken 3 and IS-55. Big shuriken 3 has 70mm in height and IS-55 only 55mm, in a case with 79mm clearance, so it will pull more fresh air. You should try a fan duct to see if the gap between the two closes or use P-ATX with IS-55 to see if it performs better.
I saw massive improvements with self-made fan ducts in my Node 202! Like, 10K temp difference at same fan speed for the CPU.
@@fretboardrunner I know, right! I have the Node 202 myself.
@@fretboardrunner Before the duct, your computer ran at 10,000 degrees Celsius? Damn how's that all-core workload? Lmao
Great video as always, I'm guessing it's the same story for Raptor lake, right?
Basically yes. Temperatures mean very little these days.
Have you tried IS-60 EVO? 64mm with dual fans.
Great to see a reviewer finally do ITX cpu cooler testing with new Ryzen 7000 series 👍🥰✊
Thanks for the video. I ended up getting a Ryzen 7900 non-x but it still gets very hot during handbrake 4K Encoding
Hai, great explanation. nice work. just want to know that for intel 13th gen, are u planning to do same video? im glad if yes. Hehehe...
I feel like picking a 7900 over a 7700x is a better idea for small form factor considering it has a 65w tdp vs the 7700x that’s has the 105w tdp. So in theory you would have zero issues ever with a IS-55 on a 7900 like you had in the small form factor case with the 7700x
Have a dope experiment.... try running the 7950x3d delided, with a direct die frame, liquid metal(obviously), the id cooling is55 equipped with a noctua industrial 120mm fan, and setting the temp target in the bio/uefi to 80-85c with no offset. I bet you get most of if not all of the performance of a stock 7950x3d, running reasonably cool, on a low profile cooler
Really good video. 7700X is a beast, thanks for valuable hints. Going with 620 (better be safe than sorry).
I love these series but do include even 1U heatsinks because some of us are deaf and don't need things to be quiet ;).
Yeah but I don't wanna go deaf MAKING the video. ;)
this is exactly what i'm looking for
Solid videos from gay youtubers...
Nice testing. When I first saw the 7000 series I was like oh no there goes SFF cases usage, nice to see with some proper tuning you can still get decent cooling and performance.
Eco mode kind of chokes the CPU. You should absolutely consider a negative PBO offset with a manual power limit of 70-90 watts. PBO will optimise the v-f curve and give better performance, while the power limit will bring it back down to reasonable temperatures. Best of both worlds.
Yeah. That was just beyond the scope of this video though.
Do you have these tests for 5900x?
More SFF content please! These videos are super informative.
Interesting.
Can you do the same test but with an Artic Freezer 120 AIO II?
And yes, can you use an AMD GPU? There are people like me that will never buy a Nvidia GPU, so we will like to see that.
Yes Tech City has some good videos using classic overclock/ undervolting. It's a good compromise between heat and performance. You guys should take a look at them. Good video. Thank you.
Thanks, this helps much more than all the claims that low profile heatsinks don't work for modern CPUs. I'd like to see more options for "medium" heatsinks though, like the L9-65
i am thinking of lapping or delidding a 7900 and using this cooler Thermalright AXP90-X53 in a mini itx build would you say it might be worth it?
So AMD gives AM5 ITX builders 3 options ……. Undervolt, Eco Mode or go Intel for your ITX builds 🤦🤦♀👎. I’m stickin* with my 5800X3D itx builds for the time being …… then look at Intel maybe going forward ……. Eventually down the road, ITX users like me will have to look at i3’s for ITX or go to MATX for higher end builds 😢👎
To be fair, as an alternative to eco mode, rumor has it that AMD will soon (January?) be releasing some cooler (65W) Zen 4 CPUs. Effectively, they'll have eco mode on, with no way of turning it off, but the processors will cost less, so you're not paying for performance you aren't intending to use anyway.
…At least, that's what various leakers have supposedly said.
You can also go lower than -10. Ryzen master has a tester in it that will give you the value your chip can handle. It's not always perfect but it's a good starting point. Personally, just turn it all the way down to -30 and see if your computer crashes at idle (not under load), some chips can handle it just fine. If it does crash then dial it back little by little until you hit that sweet spot. For instance my 5700x can do a -21 all core offset so it runs cooler and the clock speeds hit 4850mhz which is 150 mhz higher than stock.
Do a review on AXP-100, AXP-120, AXP-200 coolers, and compare them with the mainstays of low profile coolers, with different fan sizes too.
Please.
Most of the AXP series are now discontinued actually. What's in the channel is it.
@@HardwareCanucks Actually AXP is still made and sold, just not in NA. I bought one last week. I know it will cost extra with delivery, but I feel like they offer something others don't.
@@harryshuman9637 why would they review something that is not sold in NA ? And why ask them to review it if you have one ? Need to confirm you made a good choice ? 😂
@@amadei2 Because there is such thing as online shops who deliver worldwide? People who want the best order from anywhere. Only normies go to K-Mart to get the NH-L12S. Boring.
7900x eco mode is basically 7900
I do have a L9a with a 5950X (velkase velka 3) my experience:
curve optimiser will NOT WORK or be very unstable, might not complete.
what I did is undervolt to -0.125 and reduced frequency to 3.7ghz to get a very stable product. (around 86 degres C)
-0.1 & 3.9 ghz works you get better performances but might get around 92 degres C during long loads.
I dont have SFF but I just wanted a smaller air cooler cause the towers are so big blocking everything lol Thermalright axp90-x53 copper edition looks awesome and works great with my 7600x and modern mid tower case
I have -30 offset on my 7600x and so far so good... It runs quieter, cooler and yet with better performance.
I am not sure why this videos only suggests -10. -30 is logical if stable.
@@-opus they are playing it safe in a way i guess. And tbh i've had my 7600x for a week now and just in the last hour found instability playing sottr. Not 100% sure if the cpu offset is the culprit yet but i think it might well be. So i might end up at -10 offset as well. Fingers crossed it's more like -25 or -20...
@@martheunen Hopefully the issue doesn't reoccur. I built my 5700x system only a couple of days ago, set to -30 and have not experienced any issues so far, early days though.
-30 is very specific and not all CPUs will be able to achieve that. Even less can hit that and get "better" performance.
When gaming at 1440p would the temperatures be lower???
Technically yes
I'm assuming scythe big shuriken 3 rev.b works on AM5? however their website doesn't have it listed? I'm a little confused.
Its not compatible!
@@ET_Explorer it is. I bought it anyway and it fit just fine.
Very interesting content. ECO mode is a no-brainer for an air cooled ITX build.
BTW is the C14S not a go-to ITX Cooler anymore?
According to PC Part Picker, AMD Ryzen 5 7600X 4.7 GHz 6-Core Processor and Scythe Big Shuriken 3 Rev.B 48 CFM CPU Cooler are not compatible.
With the low profile cooler my Ryzen 7 7700 hit temps above 90°C while gaming so I will have to get another am5 cooler that is better than the stock cooler but great video!
Yeah well until AM5 Mb's are readily available in ITX for a reasonable cost of less than $250 Canadian Peso's I will not be in this market.
Great work!
7600X, 7700X = 1 CCD
7900X, 7950X = 2 CCD
65W eco mode is germane for a gaming use case
Great video 👍
For anyone that's seeing this now, you can buy a thermal grizzly backplate an mount about any am4 cooler. The backplate is the problem.
Just get a thermalright AM5 cpu bracket, thermal grizzly back plate, and run whatever you want successfully.
Love the content as always. Best channel evaaa!!!!
I'd really love to see this test on their non-X variants since the TDP is only 65W. It'd be really helpful us.
I am running a 7900 with a bunch of Noctua fans and heatsinks, in an 'sound insulated' case, the thing is literally silent under normal use. I have to open the box and sit my head in there to even hear something.
Noice video!!! 120mm AIOs next!!!
My only question what about the "MJOLNIR" case 5800x3D and rx7800XT? 4kres
Well how about using a superb airflow case framing. With micro atx case of course. Mini itx seems too cramp
Nice visuals graphs, good topic, well done.
On a sidenote - probably a lot of small form factor cases need a rework considering recent trends in power targets and GPU sizes. They were made for a different world. So a different CPU cooling along the way could be an option. Also those smallest air coolers weren't 100% great a few years ago either. So there's that.
Disagree on the smallest coolers not being great a few years ago, you just need to know what they are designed for. In small cases with cooler height limits under 40 mm there are only a few options on the market and the NH-L9 works no problem with a 12400 or 5600X. Obviously it isn't going to cool a 5900X or 12900K and it wasn't designed to do so. Ryzen 7000 just runs exceptionally warm and doesn't really have a SKU that works well with such small coolers, at least so far.
@@hwi7114 "only a few options on the market" doesn't mean something is great. They have been very limited in what they can cool all along. To avoid further confusion my current PC runs with NH-U12A. I do like air cooling and consider Noctua NH-L9 and the two others quality products. But none of them is great at cooling. Rather "limited". My main point - many sff cases are designed for those tiny things or aio. In the way stuff is arranged within. Which may need to change. Or not. Because in my world 50mm air cooler clearance sounds ~nonexistent. More so with 250W CPUs. And yes, I do know underV exists.
Great info here. Planning for use R5 7500F with itx build.
Shuriken performs really well, the noctua performs good for the size
Suggestion Noctua nh d15 support cabinet? Any size requirements?
Not sure why people continually don't run the NH-L9 with 25mm fan.
great info thanks
Sorry amd price cut is not enough without budget motherboard, and ddr 5 that still more than twice the price of ddr 4 so it only make sense for mid to high end build only at the moment
Noctua L9a is only up to, TDP: 95W? Ryzen 5 7600x is 105W
I'm using the Sliger Console with the Thermalright AXP90-X53, NF-A12x25 PWM chromax.black.swap, and 7700X with a -30 offset. Runs like a dream. Unfortunately the ID Cooling IS-55 doesnt fit because the edge collides with the bottom case lip.
Why didn't you test the thermalright SI-100 cooler, it outperforms the noctua
Scythe Sales email says the BS3 rev b is discontinued unfortunately.
I've been wracking my brain trying to cool a 7700X with a L9A, I kept thinking I applied the thermal paste wrong, or the cooler wasn't tight enough, but it just runs HOT! I usually get 65C-70C temps just doing basic tasks. I will try the negative curve optimizer to see how that changes things!
Working with 2 asus z11's right now. One with the 5600x and one with a new 7800. I'm using id cooling's low profile for the am4. Wish this cooler could do a bit better for the am5 because as you've shown before, the is55 was the best for AM4 series
I'm going to assume the new 7900 (non X variant) is the same as the 7900X in ECO mode. As such, the Low Profile Noctua series would be "acceptable", compared to the FAIL that happened with the 7900X.
Is the IS-55 + Gentle Typhoon combo better than Big Shuriken 3? IS-55 will only be 65mm tall, they are roughly the same price here in Asia (IS-55 & XPG Vento Pro are cheaper compared to US pricing).
The best low profile cooler
Is the old box cooler from the amd optron serie.
The 125watt tdp heatpipes cooler.
I have test this cpu cooler agains the new amd box prisma cooler .
And the best new cooler of amd have lost agains his old box cooler.
And yes you can still use it today thanks to clip systeem support.
I get 60 degrees max on 55W mode on a 5800x3d using a darkrock pro 4 cooler, also doesn't go above 70 degrees whilst gaming. With 30 percent fan speed using a single fan rather than both in large large case.
i have found a 5800x3d on sale for 300 and im running a 5600x right now and i can sell my 5600x for like 125 , is it worth to upgrade to it ?
Yeah for gaming it's king. Look up hardware unboxed review and make your decision based off that
amazing video 👍👌
bequiet just launched a new low profile cooler, Pure Rock LP ... They also have the Shadow Rock LP, that has a 130W cooling capacity... I would've liked to see at least some product from them in this. But it's too late now.
I haven't looked at the mid to low-end...but the top-end isn't cheaper right now. i9 13900K is currently cheaper than 7950X and the top-end equivalent X670E boards are more expensive than the Z790 boards (I'm looking at Asus Hero for my upcoming purchase).
Wanted to move my 7700x to a feactal ridge. Not so sure anymore ... is55 with a 25 mm noctua fan or a big shuriken..what do you guys think 🤔
What would recommend for the the r7 7800x3d in the n200p case with g.skill flare x5 low profile sticks?
The is60 with its 6 heatpipes is even better than the big shuriken and it can still double it as a 45mm tall cooler if you use only the lower 80mm cooler. Amazing cooler, I use it with a regular Nidec Gentle typhoon and it can beat ordinary single tower 12cms coolers like the Hyper 212.
AMD Ryzen 7950X3D the best low-profile coolers?
With next gen CPUs people should be getting aio coolers unless you’re building small firm factor 🤷🏻♂️
Soy un usuario de habla hispana; por lo tanto me es complicado sacar una conclusión de todo esto. Alguien me podría decir, después de la revisión, ¿Cuál o cuáles son los mejores disipadores?