the question is.. is Ryzen 7000 worth it over 13th gen if Ryzen 7000 in general runs so hot despite the low TDP on non-x versions.. Not lots of MB options for ITX on either side and especially the AM5-ITX mb seems riddled with issues unless you buy the most expensive ASUS B650E-I.. Too bad the non-x versions weren't tested..
@christofferaasted the b650e-i is probably the most problematic board in the itx lineup for am5. Tbf asus has more bios issues at every level and size tho. Asrock is the way to go for am5 across the board.
Phenomenal video. These are the kinds of comparisons I love from you guys - especially the attention to nuance. Incredibly helpful, easy to understand, and allows me to make a more informed decision.
Incredibly informative and a top notch video. This has really help shape up future builds when I recycle the current parts on AM4 and AM5. In regards to build planning, I would say everyone should be very meticulous about it especially pricing and trend anaylsis (yes it sounds fancy - however, we all do it every day especially grocery shopping) as people would save a tonne of money.
I have recently switched my focus to primarily SFF builds so thank you for this video. Coincidentally, I am patiently waiting for the N-ATX and P-ATX cases to go back on sale. I also like how you touched on PBO Curve Optimiser. Optimum Tech did a very detailed video on it titled 'Ryzen 5000 Undervolting with PBO2 - Absolutely Worth Doing'. A big tip in that video which helped me with my Zen 3 builds was that some Asus BIOS settings have an extra setting called 'PBO Limits'. If that setting is there for a particular motherboard (noted the one in the video does not have this), it needs to be disabled for the undervolted curve to have the desired effect.
@@josiahjones7654 Hardware Canucks, Optimum Tech and Gear Seekers are becoming my steady favourite for SFF content. Each brings something special to the table.
Thanks for doing this! I think it proves that Ryzen 7000 cooling worries are overblown (pun not intended) for the most workloads and use-cases. And yet by actually carrying out the testing, you pointed out what caveats do arise. I would be happy to point anyone looking at cooling Ryzen 7000 with constrained air cooling solutions to this video! Great job testing this in real conditions. Thanks again!
Nice testing. When I first saw the 7000 series I was like oh no there goes SFF cases usage, nice to see with some proper tuning you can still get decent cooling and performance.
Non X variants come with stock coolers if I'm not mistaken, so without overclocking it would be sufficient even in sff cases I think, but yes, overclocking is also interesting
Thanks Mike I love the deep dive into small form factor coolers definitely throws a wrench in the works for the future of this form factor to some degree. For a small period of time the highest performance gear was useable in the smallest footprint just as that was developing into the mainstream production of itx cases we might see this era coming to an end... at least for a generation or two. I imagine that out of case radiators are going to be more common in the forum posts for a little while. My only hope is that somehow this results in itx cases with 360 aio compatibility outside of that one sliger case this area feels rather unoptimized in the current market. I've done some calculations and with the modern size of gpu coolers almost matching up to 360 rads it should be possible within 18 liters of volume and no need for a riser cable. I haven't modeled anything though.
Thanks, this helps much more than all the claims that low profile heatsinks don't work for modern CPUs. I'd like to see more options for "medium" heatsinks though, like the L9-65
Yes Tech City has some good videos using classic overclock/ undervolting. It's a good compromise between heat and performance. You guys should take a look at them. Good video. Thank you.
I got a Louqe Raw S1 recently because of their price slashing. I got the ID Cooling IS-60 and it's been doing really well for me with a noctua fan swap for the slim 120mm.
@@GSP-76regular 120 fan swap originally gave me 3C and I got another 2 or so from the noctua swap. Use that nice soft cell foam from another electronics packaging and cut out the frame shape for a 120mm fan. Then cut out the middle and you have a nice fan gasket for the back exhaust 120mm. That dropped temps the most for me. Turned 100c under load to 92 max. (Referring to my loque case)
This is for my specific listed case of course. If yours is different I can't attest that it will drop temps 5C. In my case where is was immediately thermal throttling it was a pretty big difference. If your temps stock are 50c it likely won't be as big of a difference.
Please add the Jonsbo low profile coolers (HP-400S, HX4000D and HX6000D) to future tests. They are rated for big TDPs by the manufacturer but I'd love to see it being benchmarked.
Kinda glad i found this video, I wanna upgrade to a 5900xt so my CPU and GPU better balance and I also want to fit more fans in my case. Right now my CPU cooler is blocking a case fan slot so I need to downsize. Good to know that SFF coolers can reliably cool higher power draw CPUs than what I'm looking at
I' using a 7600 (yes, this is the 7600 with 65W TDP) with AXP120-x67. This fan is similar to the Scythe Big Shuriken 3B, using 6 heat pipes and a 12-inch fan. I found that it was unable to suppress the 7600 under the stock setting of the CPU with all cores and full load. The temperature soared to 95 degrees and the CPU frequency could only reach about 4.9G. When playing games, it can often reach 70-80 degrees or even 90 degrees, and the CPU utilization is only 15%-25%. I adjusted the PBO -40 optimized voltage curve (yes, this CPU is of good quality), adjusted the SOC voltage -0.025 and set the temperature limit to 83 degrees. Only then can the temperature be acceptable(60-70, most of time less 80 degree) in daily games. The good news is that I released the PBO freq up to 200MHZ, so it's single core usually can reach 5.3G in daily usage. The new generation of Ryzen 7000 is really hot. This is already the lowest-end CPU in the series, but still.
"The new generation of Ryzen 7000 is really hot." I am pretty sure the 5000 ryzen is more hot. Use a 7800x3d, this one has better temperatures for games.
Nice visuals graphs, good topic, well done. On a sidenote - probably a lot of small form factor cases need a rework considering recent trends in power targets and GPU sizes. They were made for a different world. So a different CPU cooling along the way could be an option. Also those smallest air coolers weren't 100% great a few years ago either. So there's that.
Disagree on the smallest coolers not being great a few years ago, you just need to know what they are designed for. In small cases with cooler height limits under 40 mm there are only a few options on the market and the NH-L9 works no problem with a 12400 or 5600X. Obviously it isn't going to cool a 5900X or 12900K and it wasn't designed to do so. Ryzen 7000 just runs exceptionally warm and doesn't really have a SKU that works well with such small coolers, at least so far.
@@hwi7114 "only a few options on the market" doesn't mean something is great. They have been very limited in what they can cool all along. To avoid further confusion my current PC runs with NH-U12A. I do like air cooling and consider Noctua NH-L9 and the two others quality products. But none of them is great at cooling. Rather "limited". My main point - many sff cases are designed for those tiny things or aio. In the way stuff is arranged within. Which may need to change. Or not. Because in my world 50mm air cooler clearance sounds ~nonexistent. More so with 250W CPUs. And yes, I do know underV exists.
So what you're saying is... I can undervolt and use one of these in my Silverstone RVZ-02? Sweet! Gonna have to save some money for a build upgrade in 2023.
I really enjoy this kind of videos about LP coolers) Please consider testing new ones, such as beQuiet Pure Rock LP and ID Cooling IS-47-XT. For now, there is almost no information on these.
Have a dope experiment.... try running the 7950x3d delided, with a direct die frame, liquid metal(obviously), the id cooling is55 equipped with a noctua industrial 120mm fan, and setting the temp target in the bio/uefi to 80-85c with no offset. I bet you get most of if not all of the performance of a stock 7950x3d, running reasonably cool, on a low profile cooler
You can also go lower than -10. Ryzen master has a tester in it that will give you the value your chip can handle. It's not always perfect but it's a good starting point. Personally, just turn it all the way down to -30 and see if your computer crashes at idle (not under load), some chips can handle it just fine. If it does crash then dial it back little by little until you hit that sweet spot. For instance my 5700x can do a -21 all core offset so it runs cooler and the clock speeds hit 4850mhz which is 150 mhz higher than stock.
Idk if you'll see this, but i plan to run a ryzen 5 7600x and an RX 7900 XT in a Fractal Design Ridge. My current choice in cooler is the Noctua NH-L9x65. Do you think it'll perform similar to the Big Shuriken as it appears to be a beefier cooler than the L9a? Or should i just use the Big Shuriken (I'll likely just use it to game and code as I'll be going to school for cyber security)
With the low profile cooler my Ryzen 7 7700 hit temps above 90°C while gaming so I will have to get another am5 cooler that is better than the stock cooler but great video!
I didn't go with AMD this upgrade cycle becaues of lower core counts and higher entry cost, so I have an i5-13600k, but I knew either way that the thermals wouldn't really be an issue for either side The fact that we have BIOS's that make undervolting / power limiting so easy means that no matter what, we won't burn up our hardware. Realistically, for gaming work loads, there's just no performance impact at all.
I did the same thing. I have a genuine use case for a bunch of atom cores, so I got a 13700K and undervolted it. With a very slight downclock on the P-cores of 80mhz I can do -200mv and it peaks at 170W.
Hey, how is the AK620 performing? I have a Jonsbo cr2000gt and with stock cpu, in cinebench it goes straight to 95C. Also when gaming it's around 90. Is the AK giving much better results? I'll try the eco mode asap.
@@DiegoSynth oh its definitely holding up as writing this, im below 50C, 46-47C to be exact, gaming and streaming (i think the gpu is streaming) i dont think it even goes up to 70C. I left everything stock except EXPO 1 for RAM and ill have to take a pic of my fan curve in the bios. Only time it went to 93C is when i was loading into.................... fort...nite.... game and then immediately poof, back to 50-60C super quiet too with my fan curve
Hi, was the mounting bracket for AM5 included, or the same mounting as for AM4 is used? I am considering this cooler but on the retailer webpage it does not say if AK620 support AM5, only AM4 is listed
@@ernestasn9330 I believe that AM5 cooling bracket specs are the same as am4 (length, width, spacing between the brackets) only main difference is that on AM5 you can't remove the backplate. I think I just used the AM4 brackets and it worked for AM5. if you're in doubts just ask deepcool support
Was greatly surprised. Got a relatively good bin of a 7700X, running problem-free at -25 CO, using a Thermalright AXP100-X67 heatsink in an ITX system. Frequencies, even full miltu0core load, remains above 5GHz.
Sweet! Thanks for your tests. Seems like the AK400 or Assassin King120 should be perfectly fine or even better than these small low profile cooler then.
You should definitely throw the Wraith Stealth in here for fun to see how low voltages need to be to run with that. I still run a Wraith Stealth on my R5 3600 undervolted to 1.15v at 3.9ghz and would love to see how low I’d have to get a 7600/x at to stay cool under it.
I know it is a year later, but i'm running a ryzen 5 7500F uldervolted + overclocked with the wraith prism with strong fan curve Curve optimizer : -30 Boost clock : +150mhz I managed to get the same score as the ryzen 5 7600X and temps maxed out around 82-83C, 24C ambient so i won't think the wraith stealth can't keep it down with the r5 7600/x
I'd love a full test on how to get the most frames per watt comparison. So the most efficient CPU and GPU and the power settings on how to set them up efficiently.
I know what's happening between Big shuriken 3 and IS-55. Big shuriken 3 has 70mm in height and IS-55 only 55mm, in a case with 79mm clearance, so it will pull more fresh air. You should try a fan duct to see if the gap between the two closes or use P-ATX with IS-55 to see if it performs better.
So what cooler will you recommend for the Sentry 2.0? I'm gathering money to get AMD 7 series next month and wanted to get your feedback on what would be good.
I've been wracking my brain trying to cool a 7700X with a L9A, I kept thinking I applied the thermal paste wrong, or the cooler wasn't tight enough, but it just runs HOT! I usually get 65C-70C temps just doing basic tasks. I will try the negative curve optimizer to see how that changes things!
@@HardwareCanucks Actually AXP is still made and sold, just not in NA. I bought one last week. I know it will cost extra with delivery, but I feel like they offer something others don't.
@@harryshuman9637 why would they review something that is not sold in NA ? And why ask them to review it if you have one ? Need to confirm you made a good choice ? 😂
@@amadei2 Because there is such thing as online shops who deliver worldwide? People who want the best order from anywhere. Only normies go to K-Mart to get the NH-L12S. Boring.
Too be fail the L9A is running into a physics limit, it's just so small that it does not have the surface area or air flow to absorb and dissipate the heat. The cooling issues are compounded by the extra thick IHS on the 7000 series. A better option would be the L9x65 or L9x65 SE-AM4. It's still low profile at 65mm but has more mass to soak up the heat with.
Is the IS-55 + Gentle Typhoon combo better than Big Shuriken 3? IS-55 will only be 65mm tall, they are roughly the same price here in Asia (IS-55 & XPG Vento Pro are cheaper compared to US pricing).
How do you reckon these CPUs might fare in an itx build cooled by the Noctua NH-D15S ? How much hotter do they run than say a i7-8700K overclocked at 5GHz all core @ 1.35V ?
This was a great eye opener as I only have low profile coolers like the Shuriken and so far is does extremely well with a 5900x as long as there is some active air pulling the heat out the case. Man when will they release the N-ATX again?
I’ve seen you guys cover ITX coolers but are you ever gonna cover the Thermalright AXP 120 revisions? Would love to see you guys compare the copper one you guys regularly use, the new graphite covered one vs the other itx coolers you guys use.
I have a 240mm AIO and after messing with settings on BIOS with PBO, I don’t ever go over 81C unlike before. Idle temps looking good too around 40-43C. Can’t complain, loving performance too
I'm custom cooled In meshlicious with a 280 up front and I idle around 31 and game at 45c. I've never ever gone above 61c ever. 5.53ghz with a strix x670e i with no settings changed Idk where these 95c Temps people are getting coming from.
Nicely done and very useful. I'm glad to see SFF low profile air cooling is still viable with the new AMD CPUs. I'm wondering how much difference the overall cooling of a pc build will make, say when paired with a new gen GPU in the box? Though it wont be on CPU temps as this gen maxs the temp to give the most performance.
Does the 7800x3d run hotter than the 7700x? I Have a Liquid freezer 240 cooler already but not sure it's going to fit the case (T1) and air cooling options seem to be very limited.
@@SwiftArrowMCSGPvP Full sized radiator wont fit (possibly with slim fans doubt it though). I'm actually using the AX90-x47 right now and not very comfortable with it. Had to limit power just to get idle temps below 50c. Probably gonna get the SilverStone low profile AIO that I've seen people use on this case.
@@rickyism1576 I’ve seen a fee builds using the coolermaster atmos 240 aio as its a little slimmer and that fits so that could be an option for you? Also are u struggling to keep in under 50 with the 7700x or 7800x3d?
I'm currently running a 7700X on a PBO offset of -30. The plan was to put it into that NZXT N1 that I still have sitting around once the 3D V-Cache CPUs release but I honestly never even thought about the ITX thermals in that plan... Think that puny 140mm AIO will be able to handle it? I can't test it since I don't have the mainboard for it yet.
Yeah it will be fine, especially at -30. BUT you should absolutely consider putting a power limit on it as well. PBO -30 with a PL of 80w will give you the same performance as stock, but with MUCH lower temperatures and power draw. Watch Optimum Tech's video on PBO. Maybe even go 70w. The silicon is great but AMD fucked up the stock v-f curve.
Eco mode kind of chokes the CPU. You should absolutely consider a negative PBO offset with a manual power limit of 70-90 watts. PBO will optimise the v-f curve and give better performance, while the power limit will bring it back down to reasonable temperatures. Best of both worlds.
Working with 2 asus z11's right now. One with the 5600x and one with a new 7800. I'm using id cooling's low profile for the am4. Wish this cooler could do a bit better for the am5 because as you've shown before, the is55 was the best for AM4 series
The scythe is the best but it's not available anymore so what is the second best and yes Linus did a review for the lp noctua, when it comes to full cpu coolers noctua is amazing but noctua kind of struggles with lp coolers
Interested to know how the L9A standard, -10, and eco mode ... how the scores went for a blender test. Its one thing to show frequency but it would be another to show scores. And with a normal big boy cooler as a comparison. Guess that'll come in the eco mode video
The is60 with its 6 heatpipes is even better than the big shuriken and it can still double it as a 45mm tall cooler if you use only the lower 80mm cooler. Amazing cooler, I use it with a regular Nidec Gentle typhoon and it can beat ordinary single tower 12cms coolers like the Hyper 212.
I have a cooler master V8 gts with 8 heat pipes. My limiting factor is they are 20 mm thick fans. So i can get past the noise and 1600 rpm cap. But these new coolers hold 6 pipes and better fan performance. It may be time to get better cooler 👀 i just like how air cooler towers look in builds.
I feel like there's not really enough coverage for SFF enthusiasts, so I really appreciate that you guys did this video. Thank you!
great timing for the Fractal Ridge case which requires and are compatible with some of these low profile coolers
time for a case review *hint hint
Compatible with every cooler on here, the BSU is the one I’m interested in
the question is.. is Ryzen 7000 worth it over 13th gen if Ryzen 7000 in general runs so hot despite the low TDP on non-x versions.. Not lots of MB options for ITX on either side and especially the AM5-ITX mb seems riddled with issues unless you buy the most expensive ASUS B650E-I.. Too bad the non-x versions weren't tested..
@christofferaasted the b650e-i is probably the most problematic board in the itx lineup for am5. Tbf asus has more bios issues at every level and size tho. Asrock is the way to go for am5 across the board.
@@MrDutch1e ASrock's illegal warranty policies are what have pushed me away from them.
Phenomenal video. These are the kinds of comparisons I love from you guys - especially the attention to nuance. Incredibly helpful, easy to understand, and allows me to make a more informed decision.
Incredibly informative and a top notch video. This has really help shape up future builds when I recycle the current parts on AM4 and AM5. In regards to build planning, I would say everyone should be very meticulous about it especially pricing and trend anaylsis (yes it sounds fancy - however, we all do it every day especially grocery shopping) as people would save a tonne of money.
I have recently switched my focus to primarily SFF builds so thank you for this video. Coincidentally, I am patiently waiting for the N-ATX and P-ATX cases to go back on sale.
I also like how you touched on PBO Curve Optimiser. Optimum Tech did a very detailed video on it titled 'Ryzen 5000 Undervolting with PBO2 - Absolutely Worth Doing'. A big tip in that video which helped me with my Zen 3 builds was that some Asus BIOS settings have an extra setting called 'PBO Limits'. If that setting is there for a particular motherboard (noted the one in the video does not have this), it needs to be disabled for the undervolted curve to have the desired effect.
Optium Tech is the SFF Guru
@@josiahjones7654 Hardware Canucks, Optimum Tech and Gear Seekers are becoming my steady favourite for SFF content. Each brings something special to the table.
@@iamChermac Indeed, each have a wealth of knowledge that really helps build planning and troubleshooting to boot.
Thanks for doing this!
I think it proves that Ryzen 7000 cooling worries are overblown (pun not intended) for the most workloads and use-cases. And yet by actually carrying out the testing, you pointed out what caveats do arise. I would be happy to point anyone looking at cooling Ryzen 7000 with constrained air cooling solutions to this video!
Great job testing this in real conditions. Thanks again!
More SFF content please! These videos are super informative.
Incredibly grateful for this video! Thank you for taking the time!
Nice testing. When I first saw the 7000 series I was like oh no there goes SFF cases usage, nice to see with some proper tuning you can still get decent cooling and performance.
Now with the Non-X variants, I would like to see this same thing done again!
Maybe with some overclocking 😏
Non X variants come with stock coolers if I'm not mistaken, so without overclocking it would be sufficient even in sff cases I think, but yes, overclocking is also interesting
At least stock cooler for 7900 has nothing to do with low profile, Google says 97mm height, it also looks pretty tall in unboxing videos.
Thanks Mike I love the deep dive into small form factor coolers definitely throws a wrench in the works for the future of this form factor to some degree. For a small period of time the highest performance gear was useable in the smallest footprint just as that was developing into the mainstream production of itx cases we might see this era coming to an end... at least for a generation or two. I imagine that out of case radiators are going to be more common in the forum posts for a little while.
My only hope is that somehow this results in itx cases with 360 aio compatibility outside of that one sliger case this area feels rather unoptimized in the current market. I've done some calculations and with the modern size of gpu coolers almost matching up to 360 rads it should be possible within 18 liters of volume and no need for a riser cable. I haven't modeled anything though.
Great to see a reviewer finally do ITX cpu cooler testing with new Ryzen 7000 series 👍🥰✊
Thanks for testing these cooler at 50% speed!
Really good video. 7700X is a beast, thanks for valuable hints. Going with 620 (better be safe than sorry).
Thanks, this helps much more than all the claims that low profile heatsinks don't work for modern CPUs. I'd like to see more options for "medium" heatsinks though, like the L9-65
Yes Tech City has some good videos using classic overclock/ undervolting. It's a good compromise between heat and performance. You guys should take a look at them. Good video. Thank you.
Great video, a video on eco mode would be greatly appreciated. Keep up the great work!
I got a Louqe Raw S1 recently because of their price slashing. I got the ID Cooling IS-60 and it's been doing really well for me with a noctua fan swap for the slim 120mm.
I actually have an IS-60...did the fan swap make a big difference?
@@GSP-76regular 120 fan swap originally gave me 3C and I got another 2 or so from the noctua swap. Use that nice soft cell foam from another electronics packaging and cut out the frame shape for a 120mm fan. Then cut out the middle and you have a nice fan gasket for the back exhaust 120mm. That dropped temps the most for me. Turned 100c under load to 92 max. (Referring to my loque case)
This is for my specific listed case of course. If yours is different I can't attest that it will drop temps 5C. In my case where is was immediately thermal throttling it was a pretty big difference. If your temps stock are 50c it likely won't be as big of a difference.
Please add the Jonsbo low profile coolers (HP-400S, HX4000D and HX6000D) to future tests. They are rated for big TDPs by the manufacturer but I'd love to see it being benchmarked.
Kinda glad i found this video, I wanna upgrade to a 5900xt so my CPU and GPU better balance and I also want to fit more fans in my case. Right now my CPU cooler is blocking a case fan slot so I need to downsize. Good to know that SFF coolers can reliably cool higher power draw CPUs than what I'm looking at
thanks for reviewing the IS-55 was thinking about getting that one next on the 7700X
I' using a 7600 (yes, this is the 7600 with 65W TDP) with AXP120-x67. This fan is similar to the Scythe Big Shuriken 3B, using 6 heat pipes and a 12-inch fan. I found that it was unable to suppress the 7600 under the stock setting of the CPU with all cores and full load. The temperature soared to 95 degrees and the CPU frequency could only reach about 4.9G. When playing games, it can often reach 70-80 degrees or even 90 degrees, and the CPU utilization is only 15%-25%.
I adjusted the PBO -40 optimized voltage curve (yes, this CPU is of good quality), adjusted the SOC voltage -0.025 and set the temperature limit to 83 degrees. Only then can the temperature be acceptable(60-70, most of time less 80 degree) in daily games. The good news is that I released the PBO freq up to 200MHZ, so it's single core usually can reach 5.3G in daily usage.
The new generation of Ryzen 7000 is really hot. This is already the lowest-end CPU in the series, but still.
"The new generation of Ryzen 7000 is really hot." I am pretty sure the 5000 ryzen is more hot. Use a 7800x3d, this one has better temperatures for games.
I’m excited to watch this video. I’ve been wanting to see this. Cheers. Thanks for the content
Great, now how about the 65W non-X versions?
Nice visuals graphs, good topic, well done.
On a sidenote - probably a lot of small form factor cases need a rework considering recent trends in power targets and GPU sizes. They were made for a different world. So a different CPU cooling along the way could be an option. Also those smallest air coolers weren't 100% great a few years ago either. So there's that.
Disagree on the smallest coolers not being great a few years ago, you just need to know what they are designed for. In small cases with cooler height limits under 40 mm there are only a few options on the market and the NH-L9 works no problem with a 12400 or 5600X. Obviously it isn't going to cool a 5900X or 12900K and it wasn't designed to do so. Ryzen 7000 just runs exceptionally warm and doesn't really have a SKU that works well with such small coolers, at least so far.
@@hwi7114 "only a few options on the market" doesn't mean something is great. They have been very limited in what they can cool all along. To avoid further confusion my current PC runs with NH-U12A. I do like air cooling and consider Noctua NH-L9 and the two others quality products. But none of them is great at cooling. Rather "limited". My main point - many sff cases are designed for those tiny things or aio. In the way stuff is arranged within. Which may need to change. Or not. Because in my world 50mm air cooler clearance sounds ~nonexistent. More so with 250W CPUs. And yes, I do know underV exists.
Very well done review. I had never heard of big shuriken 3, yet it seems to be the best ITX air cooler.
Looking forward to an extended ECO Mode benchmark 😁
Awesome breakdown Mike, and that new N-ATX sure look good haha :) Thanks!
So what you're saying is... I can undervolt and use one of these in my Silverstone RVZ-02? Sweet! Gonna have to save some money for a build upgrade in 2023.
Thanks for looking into the topic. Interesting results.
Googleの翻訳機能の精度が上がったから英語の動画もかなり参考にしやすくなった。検証お疲れ様です！ありがとう
This video was exactly what I was looking for.
Great info here. Planning for use R5 7500F with itx build.
If I’d have seen this a few days ago I may have considered the big shuriken, but this video makes me confident in gettin an aio to pair with my 7900x
I really enjoy this kind of videos about LP coolers)
Please consider testing new ones, such as beQuiet Pure Rock LP and ID Cooling IS-47-XT.
For now, there is almost no information on these.
This looks like the ideal cooler for my school desk build.
this is exactly what i'm looking for
Solid videos from gay youtubers...
Exactly what I was looking forward to... great vid
Have a dope experiment.... try running the 7950x3d delided, with a direct die frame, liquid metal(obviously), the id cooling is55 equipped with a noctua industrial 120mm fan, and setting the temp target in the bio/uefi to 80-85c with no offset. I bet you get most of if not all of the performance of a stock 7950x3d, running reasonably cool, on a low profile cooler
I love how you use Cities: Skylines. I play that a lot, along with Anno 1800, and the CPU get hammered.
You can also go lower than -10. Ryzen master has a tester in it that will give you the value your chip can handle. It's not always perfect but it's a good starting point. Personally, just turn it all the way down to -30 and see if your computer crashes at idle (not under load), some chips can handle it just fine. If it does crash then dial it back little by little until you hit that sweet spot. For instance my 5700x can do a -21 all core offset so it runs cooler and the clock speeds hit 4850mhz which is 150 mhz higher than stock.
Idk if you'll see this, but i plan to run a ryzen 5 7600x and an RX 7900 XT in a Fractal Design Ridge. My current choice in cooler is the Noctua NH-L9x65. Do you think it'll perform similar to the Big Shuriken as it appears to be a beefier cooler than the L9a? Or should i just use the Big Shuriken
(I'll likely just use it to game and code as I'll be going to school for cyber security)
With the low profile cooler my Ryzen 7 7700 hit temps above 90°C while gaming so I will have to get another am5 cooler that is better than the stock cooler but great video!
Would love to see Noctua L9x65 compete in this and your future videos :)
I didn't go with AMD this upgrade cycle becaues of lower core counts and higher entry cost, so I have an i5-13600k, but I knew either way that the thermals wouldn't really be an issue for either side
The fact that we have BIOS's that make undervolting / power limiting so easy means that no matter what, we won't burn up our hardware.
Realistically, for gaming work loads, there's just no performance impact at all.
I did the same thing. I have a genuine use case for a bunch of atom cores, so I got a 13700K and undervolted it. With a very slight downclock on the P-cores of 80mhz I can do -200mv and it peaks at 170W.
I see more of this guy, I become more happy!!
just the video i needed today thank you
gonna need another vid when the 3D 7000 series come out next month
Thanks for including the AK620, I just ordered it for the 7700X 😅
Hey, how is the AK620 performing? I have a Jonsbo cr2000gt and with stock cpu, in cinebench it goes straight to 95C. Also when gaming it's around 90. Is the AK giving much better results? I'll try the eco mode asap.
@@DiegoSynth oh its definitely holding up as writing this, im below 50C, 46-47C to be exact, gaming and streaming (i think the gpu is streaming) i dont think it even goes up to 70C. I left everything stock except EXPO 1 for RAM and ill have to take a pic of my fan curve in the bios. Only time it went to 93C is when i was loading into.................... fort...nite.... game and then immediately poof, back to 50-60C super quiet too with my fan curve
Hi, was the mounting bracket for AM5 included, or the same mounting as for AM4 is used? I am considering this cooler but on the retailer webpage it does not say if AK620 support AM5, only AM4 is listed
@@ernestasn9330 I believe that AM5 cooling bracket specs are the same as am4 (length, width, spacing between the brackets) only main difference is that on AM5 you can't remove the backplate. I think I just used the AM4 brackets and it worked for AM5. if you're in doubts just ask deepcool support
@@niceAbyss Thanks! After remounting mine I gained 30°C, so now I'm on the safe!
Was greatly surprised. Got a relatively good bin of a 7700X, running problem-free at -25 CO, using a Thermalright AXP100-X67 heatsink in an ITX system. Frequencies, even full miltu0core load, remains above 5GHz.
Sweet! Thanks for your tests. Seems like the AK400 or Assassin King120 should be perfectly fine or even better than these small low profile cooler then.
amazing graphics and info. thanks for the video!
7600X, 7700X = 1 CCD
7900X, 7950X = 2 CCD
65W eco mode is germane for a gaming use case
Great video 👍
I'm assuming scythe big shuriken 3 rev.b works on AM5? however their website doesn't have it listed? I'm a little confused.
Its not compatible!
@@ET_Explorer it is. I bought it anyway and it fit just fine.
You should definitely throw the Wraith Stealth in here for fun to see how low voltages need to be to run with that. I still run a Wraith Stealth on my R5 3600 undervolted to 1.15v at 3.9ghz and would love to see how low I’d have to get a 7600/x at to stay cool under it.
I know it is a year later, but i'm running a ryzen 5 7500F uldervolted + overclocked with the wraith prism with strong fan curve
Curve optimizer : -30
Boost clock : +150mhz
I managed to get the same score as the ryzen 5 7600X and temps maxed out around 82-83C, 24C ambient so i won't think the wraith stealth can't keep it down with the r5 7600/x
why dind´t use NH-l12 from noctua instead of nh-l9.
I'd love a full test on how to get the most frames per watt comparison. So the most efficient CPU and GPU and the power settings on how to set them up efficiently.
Wish this testing included the 5950x, 5900x, 5800x3d and 5800x. :)
I know what's happening between Big shuriken 3 and IS-55. Big shuriken 3 has 70mm in height and IS-55 only 55mm, in a case with 79mm clearance, so it will pull more fresh air. You should try a fan duct to see if the gap between the two closes or use P-ATX with IS-55 to see if it performs better.
I saw massive improvements with self-made fan ducts in my Node 202! Like, 10K temp difference at same fan speed for the CPU.
@@fretboardrunner I know, right! I have the Node 202 myself.
@@fretboardrunner Before the duct, your computer ran at 10,000 degrees Celsius? Damn how's that all-core workload? Lmao
So what cooler will you recommend for the Sentry 2.0?
I'm gathering money to get AMD 7 series next month and wanted to get your feedback on what would be good.
I've been wracking my brain trying to cool a 7700X with a L9A, I kept thinking I applied the thermal paste wrong, or the cooler wasn't tight enough, but it just runs HOT! I usually get 65C-70C temps just doing basic tasks. I will try the negative curve optimizer to see how that changes things!
would love a video on intel's cpus vs low profile coolers
Very interesting content. ECO mode is a no-brainer for an air cooled ITX build.
BTW is the C14S not a go-to ITX Cooler anymore?
Do a review on AXP-100, AXP-120, AXP-200 coolers, and compare them with the mainstays of low profile coolers, with different fan sizes too.
Please.
Most of the AXP series are now discontinued actually. What's in the channel is it.
@@HardwareCanucks Actually AXP is still made and sold, just not in NA. I bought one last week. I know it will cost extra with delivery, but I feel like they offer something others don't.
@@harryshuman9637 why would they review something that is not sold in NA ? And why ask them to review it if you have one ? Need to confirm you made a good choice ? 😂
@@amadei2 Because there is such thing as online shops who deliver worldwide? People who want the best order from anywhere. Only normies go to K-Mart to get the NH-L12S. Boring.
i am thinking of lapping or delidding a 7900 and using this cooler Thermalright AXP90-X53 in a mini itx build would you say it might be worth it?
Too be fail the L9A is running into a physics limit, it's just so small that it does not have the surface area or air flow to absorb and dissipate the heat. The cooling issues are compounded by the extra thick IHS on the 7000 series. A better option would be the L9x65 or L9x65 SE-AM4. It's still low profile at 65mm but has more mass to soak up the heat with.
Would be great to see how this compares to the stock cooler in this test environment
Is the IS-55 + Gentle Typhoon combo better than Big Shuriken 3? IS-55 will only be 65mm tall, they are roughly the same price here in Asia (IS-55 & XPG Vento Pro are cheaper compared to US pricing).
How do you reckon these CPUs might fare in an itx build cooled by the Noctua NH-D15S ? How much hotter do they run than say a i7-8700K overclocked at 5GHz all core @ 1.35V ?
This was a great eye opener as I only have low profile coolers like the Shuriken and so far is does extremely well with a 5900x as long as there is some active air pulling the heat out the case. Man when will they release the N-ATX again?
Thanks for the video. I ended up getting a Ryzen 7900 non-x but it still gets very hot during handbrake 4K Encoding
Really wish you would have included the Thermalright Coolers. The X53 Full Black is a monster.
Its in our full roundup
Have you tried IS-60 EVO? 64mm with dual fans.
I actually just picked up a 7700x and set its thermal limit to 75c with no performance drop at all.
Good video but not sure why you didn't include Big Shuriken data for the eco mode testing since it seemed to perform the best in every other segment.
Wanted to move my 7700x to a feactal ridge. Not so sure anymore ... is55 with a 25 mm noctua fan or a big shuriken..what do you guys think 🤔
Your videos are so unique. Really great reviews.
I’ve seen you guys cover ITX coolers but are you ever gonna cover the Thermalright AXP 120 revisions? Would love to see you guys compare the copper one you guys regularly use, the new graphite covered one vs the other itx coolers you guys use.
I have a 240mm AIO and after messing with settings on BIOS with PBO, I don’t ever go over 81C unlike before. Idle temps looking good too around 40-43C. Can’t complain, loving performance too
I'm custom cooled In meshlicious with a 280 up front and I idle around 31 and game at 45c. I've never ever gone above 61c ever. 5.53ghz with a strix x670e i with no settings changed
Idk where these 95c Temps people are getting coming from.
@@phillysupra that's really nice!
@@phillysupra280 is air cooler or aio?
@@chinnaramgariakash0029 custom cooled = neither aio or air cooled. It means external pump /res. I hard tube my loops.
@@phillysupra should I go with ryzen 7900x with deep cool ak620?
I came here for cpu sfx coolers with high end cpus and I got that plus testing in the case I plan on getting 🎯
Nicely done and very useful. I'm glad to see SFF low profile air cooling is still viable with the new AMD CPUs. I'm wondering how much difference the overall cooling of a pc build will make, say when paired with a new gen GPU in the box? Though it wont be on CPU temps as this gen maxs the temp to give the most performance.
where NH-L9X65?
When gaming at 1440p would the temperatures be lower???
Technically yes
Does the 7800x3d run hotter than the 7700x? I Have a Liquid freezer 240 cooler already but not sure it's going to fit the case (T1) and air cooling options seem to be very limited.
It runs cooler at about 88 watts, so just below the 95watt benchmark
@@avery4528 Im just gonna fulll send it with a AXP90-x47.
@@rickyism1576let me know how you go, I’m about to build in the t1 and was thinking of getting an AX90-x53 full copper
@@SwiftArrowMCSGPvP Full sized radiator wont fit (possibly with slim fans doubt it though). I'm actually using the AX90-x47 right now and not very comfortable with it. Had to limit power just to get idle temps below 50c. Probably gonna get the SilverStone low profile AIO that I've seen people use on this case.
@@rickyism1576 I’ve seen a fee builds using the coolermaster atmos 240 aio as its a little slimmer and that fits so that could be an option for you? Also are u struggling to keep in under 50 with the 7700x or 7800x3d?
Great video as always, I'm guessing it's the same story for Raptor lake, right?
Basically yes. Temperatures mean very little these days.
Hai, great explanation. nice work. just want to know that for intel 13th gen, are u planning to do same video? im glad if yes. Hehehe...
I'm currently running a 7700X on a PBO offset of -30. The plan was to put it into that NZXT N1 that I still have sitting around once the 3D V-Cache CPUs release but I honestly never even thought about the ITX thermals in that plan... Think that puny 140mm AIO will be able to handle it? I can't test it since I don't have the mainboard for it yet.
Yeah it will be fine, especially at -30. BUT you should absolutely consider putting a power limit on it as well. PBO -30 with a PL of 80w will give you the same performance as stock, but with MUCH lower temperatures and power draw. Watch Optimum Tech's video on PBO. Maybe even go 70w. The silicon is great but AMD fucked up the stock v-f curve.
Hey do you think the thermalright axp90 R is enough cooling for the 7600 (non x) ?
Thankfully they released non-X versions of these chips making the originals redundant
Can Endorfy Fortis Argb manage 7700x or only 7700? I wanted to buy Fortis but wasn´t sure
I love these series but do include even 1U heatsinks because some of us are deaf and don't need things to be quiet ;).
Yeah but I don't wanna go deaf MAKING the video. ;)
Eco mode kind of chokes the CPU. You should absolutely consider a negative PBO offset with a manual power limit of 70-90 watts. PBO will optimise the v-f curve and give better performance, while the power limit will bring it back down to reasonable temperatures. Best of both worlds.
Yeah. That was just beyond the scope of this video though.
Working with 2 asus z11's right now. One with the 5600x and one with a new 7800. I'm using id cooling's low profile for the am4. Wish this cooler could do a bit better for the am5 because as you've shown before, the is55 was the best for AM4 series
building a pc right now and was going to choose that noctua, glad i didn't now
The scythe is the best but it's not available anymore so what is the second best and yes Linus did a review for the lp noctua, when it comes to full cpu coolers noctua is amazing but noctua kind of struggles with lp coolers
Interested to know how the L9A standard, -10, and eco mode ... how the scores went for a blender test. Its one thing to show frequency but it would be another to show scores. And with a normal big boy cooler as a comparison.
Guess that'll come in the eco mode video
Since in most boards the UEFI has a temp limit/target to set for Zen4, it is easy to get them into any case/system and keep most of their performance.
What would recommend for the the r7 7800x3d in the n200p case with g.skill flare x5 low profile sticks?
Do you have these tests for 5900x?
The is60 with its 6 heatpipes is even better than the big shuriken and it can still double it as a 45mm tall cooler if you use only the lower 80mm cooler. Amazing cooler, I use it with a regular Nidec Gentle typhoon and it can beat ordinary single tower 12cms coolers like the Hyper 212.
I have a cooler master V8 gts with 8 heat pipes. My limiting factor is they are 20 mm thick fans. So i can get past the noise and 1600 rpm cap. But these new coolers hold 6 pipes and better fan performance. It may be time to get better cooler 👀 i just like how air cooler towers look in builds.