So Revan in the novel "Revan", after he retrieved his mask and the memories his power was magnified not because he accepted the dark but because of his intimate knowledge of it. He was able to overcome a specific sith Lord that had been beyond him. Because he understood sith lightning. This allowed him to contain it, magnify it, and redirect it without summoning it himself. I've always thought Yoda must have fought sith or a powerful dark jedi in order to understand how to reflect dokus lighting .
Grey Jedi don't buy into the dogma of the Jedi order without question. They question what the Force wants them to do, not the Council. This, inherently, puts them more in tune with the Force and allows them to channel it more effectively.
I mostly agree with this vid. I do agree that since someone in 'true balance' would be far from either extreme they would be denied some of the powers witnessed by devotees of Light or Dark. Their time would be split between three fields of study: Lightsaber combat, Light-side powers & Dark-side powers while traditional Sith and Jedi would only have two fields of study. It's just a simple fact that someone with more to do but the same time to do it will get less done on either front, but would paint a more complete picture. The true strength of a Balanced force user would be their mind-set. Bright lights and pitch darkness can both blind, but the more worldly perspective of a Balanced force user would grant them clarity of vision, and strength of purpose. Eternal, endless Light is but a barren desert. Eternal, endless Dark is but a maelstrom of death. To quote a mentor of mine: 'A man cannot walk without opposing feet. Allow yourself to move forward carrying the lessons of both.'
I can totally understand why they are. They let instinct and emotions guide them, But are free of limitations and dogma to do what they feel is necessary which probably grants them a stronger bond to the living force and force in general
and they also cherish bonds and attachments to grow as force users. Opposite of what yoda's and windu's order thought, attchments made the force wielders stronger and not weaker or more prone to fall to the dark side
@@katiepersons6575 Still shows that it's bullshit to think that you can be "balanced" with both. That's like saying the cancer in my body is balanced with the healthy cells.
I'll be honest, never in a million years would I have at it that way, I always thought of gray Jedi as someone who has access to abilities that no other wielder, light or dark, could access. This was enlightening.
For me, that still makes more sense. I’ve always considered the Je’daii to be “Grey Jedi” since they focused to be balanced with the full spectrum of the Force. Of course, the Je’daii fall under Legends now so I guess this explanation in the video works.
Well... just because a grey Jedi can't access the deeper abilities of the darkside, they may be able to develop powers and abilities beyond that of regular Jedi. I imagine there are abilities only usable by those who follow the Will of the Force. It's not like we have a lot to go on... yet :P writing my own star wars novel, may it see the light of day!
Grey Jedi Can use anger to enhance themselves during a duel, but do not let it become hatred. Anger is a natural emotion, and when used properly, can make you feel the passion and thrill of combat. It requires allowing yourself to be selfish to a degree without falling into narcissism. Mace Windu used Juyo in this way I think.
Grey Jedi do not shun the Dark Side entirely, Jedi like Luke and Yoda were outliers. Mace was probably the most "grey" character in the Jedi of his time. Revan is a different story as he spent time as both a Jedi and a Sith at different times
Qui-Gon was much more of a grey jedi than Windu ever was during his lifespawn. being grey does not mean balancing powers from each side, even if you could stay on one. keeping it simple, the light side of the force is the balance of the force and the Dark Side is the corruption of the force - which can be proved with the death of the last Sith Lord.
@@Maddog-xc2zv Qui-Gon being a maverick wasn't the same thing as being a "grey Jedi". He fully shunned the dark side, despite his disagreements with the council.
@@decepticonxhunter4850 for me grey jedis dom't shun on the dark side but follow the will of the force instead of the will of the "men". Qui Gon and others were in fact real jedi, mavericks being the ones on the order trying to interpret how jedi should use the force instead of simply following it's will, one of the main reasons the order fell at the hands of the sith a few years BBY.
Mace Windu was very different to a grey jedi even by your definition. What he did was draw from the light side to use a lightsaber form that was usually only used by the dark side at the time. The clone wars era jedi order wasn't able to teach that form properly because it draws from one's compassion (rather than rage for the sith), which was discouraged in the jedi order but but not actually something related to the dark side. So he never actually used the dark side of the force.
@@probablygeneric429 Well we know Mace struggles with anger and practiced Vapaad a fighting style that let many jedi to turn to the dark side. Yet Windu probably didn't fall to the dark side because he was trained by Yoda. Mace Windu was on the borderline between the light and dark side, if anything that's a true grey jedi. Qui Gon rejected the dark side completely, how can he be a grey jedi?
Don't we have a balanced Force user in the Father and if he made the choice to replace him Anakin (if given time) since the Father was the Balance between the Son and Daughter which would mean he used both or didn't see a difference between them
Father kept Son and Daughter too achieve all power in the force. which is curious, as the force is said to hate the sith who did not followed it but it was bent to the sith will. True balance, as is stated more and more over by fans, was achieved with the death of the last Sith Lord and such perversion of the force.
I do find it interesting that in order to bring balance to the force, there will always need to be Sith lords, so if the Jedi eliminate the Sith they themselves would need to be eliminated to bring balance to the force, or the force will produce another Dark side user to counter the Jedi's light side.
Thus why I think that "Balance" is the absence of both. Tython was in Balance until the first schism when The Light and The Dark first clashed. True Balance is simply complete harmony with The Will of The Force. And inevitably those who claim to be paragons of the light always blind themselves to their own corruption and from that spawn new followers of The Dark.
@@D_To_The_J Exactly. By the end of Order 66 There were 2 Jedi. There were also two Sith left. Then when Yoda and Obi-Wan died it was 0 Jedi and 2 Sith. So Anakin, being the drama queen he is, kills Sidius and dies in the process setting the scale to 0 Jedi and 0 Sith.
@@Hello-bi1pm Luke is more akin to that of a Grey Jedi, so are all of the Jedi survivors of Order 66. Many of the survivors like Kanin were the next generation of Jedi and couldn’t be taught the old ways as the dogma died with their masters. And Luke regularly dabbled in the Dark Side to strengthen himself against its temptations but also so that he could follow the complete will of the force and not the Jedi code.
The ability to use the light side is good but the grey jedi do NOT have to follow the code which means they can connect with people on a more intimate level.
I don't know if I can say that a Grey Jedi is stronger than a normal Jedi, or even a Sith as some people believe. MY opinion is that a Grey Jedi is balanced, having bits of the light & the dark and the only way that they'd be able to be stronger is to to give themselves fully to one side or the other. It kinda goes back to the phrase "no man can serve two masters." I also see a normal Jedi trying to abide by the light and do things conventionally while a Grey Jedi probably has no qualms about unconventional warfare or flexible thinking to get the job done when their plans or methods align with The Force. An example of what I'm saying is the characters in Aliens vs. Predator. The Predators have a balance of strength, speed, and skill while Dutch sacrifices speed & skill for strength and Linn sacrifices strength for speed & skill.
I can see where you are coming from and an example of this would be in Episode 1 where Qui-Gon uses the Force on the chance cubes. Yoda, most likely, would not. Great channel and love all your content!
Thank you for explaining Grey Jedi. I always felt that Grey Jedi were light-siders that rejected the Orthodoxy of the Temple and succumbed to the Will of the Force, acting with it's guidance alone.
I think you hit the nail on the head, you could go on to say. Accepting the will of the Force as a whole will combine dark and light side abilities. Making them pure and sometimes completely different from their previous separate forms. Example Force drain can be combined with Force heal, and make a Force feedback loop that gives the user Force immortality.
I just want to say that the thing I don’t like about how being a Jedi sounds is that it sounds as if you have to hold in your breath for only so long that if you release it you fall to the dark side kind of thing if anyone could explain this better to me I’d be grateful
The thing you have to realize is that the mainstream belief that the Jedi were anti-emotion prudes is absolute nonsense and fictitious, and it's usually based on ppl not understanding that the Jedi believed that a person should master their emotions so they aren't destroyed or corrupted by them. It is a virtue instead of a weakness. The Sith historically self-destructed because they were slaves to their emotions.
Grey jedi code line 1 : There is no light without dark. There is no dark without light. There is only the force If the force out of Star Wars were a true religion, I'd covert to it in a heartbeat! 😃😍 Grey Jedi preferably
My own head canon is always going to chafe against the idea that using the dark is inherently corruptive. The practitioners like the Sith likely fall into a positive feedback loop, wherein their greed and lust for power will lead them into exerting greater dominance over the Force - which always fights back and might be an explanation for the visible deformities they suffer over time. Perhaps that can lead to uncovering greater abilities or powerful variants of existing ones, but a willful approach to the Force need not lead to such a destructive spiral. The same way that the patience and repose of a Jedi need not result in utter passiveness and inutility. A consideration that is not given near often enough, is: Would one in balance truly NEED to master either the Light or Dark let alone both? Imagine taking the Jedi approach by allowing the Force to flow and swell within oneself. Not near enough to the point of oneness with it, or summoning the actual light of the Force, but to a high level just the same. And then with righteous rather than selfish anger, discharging a burst of lightning. It wouldn't surprise me if such an approach bucked the pompous words of Darth Plagueis who claimed that anything other than true Sith Lightning was simply a facsimile. That's just a single example. This esoteric, figurative take on what a Gray Jedi is has always annoyed me in particular. It's gained notable traction due to dialogue from KOTOR II and the likes of Pablo Hidalgo claiming that a Force user balanced between light and dark is a "cop out". However, let's take that concept and use its own logic to deconstruct the very notion of the Force as a binary since that is one of the most dogmatic beliefs of both Jedi and Sith.
I believe what this video was reaching for was each force user is unique. Also where each force user fits (ex. Jedi, sith, grey jedi, ect.) it is a spectrum.
I think Revan was the most powerful because of his battle IQ and understanding of both the light and dark sides of the force, but he was a Jedi. Light side was his affiliation.
A Grey Jedi can be compared with a ronin. Their ideology is parallel to the council, but their methodology is their own. They are the most true to themselves, which is a double edged sword concerning the will of the Force. Yet, their trust in the Force is where their real power lies.
This video was actually very helpful to me cause I don’t have much understanding about what a grey Jedi. It showed me that my OC I’m making is actually a Dark Jedi instead of a grey Jedi.
This is very interesting. Very informative and nice. I agree. Gray Jedi had wider views,beliefs. They listen the Force,which is most important. Will of the Force. Gray Jedi can do things far better. They use dark side but are not corrupted. Perfectly explained. We should let the Force flow through us. I enjoyed this :) Thanks :) May the Force be with you too
Popular by people who aren't the ones saying they like the idea of the grey Jedi. I think you hit the mark, I'm just exhausted with this freaking conversation, it always goes the same : "would you rather be a Jedi or a Sith" "I think I prefer the Grey Jedi's ideology, you know, like Joelee" "oh so your just one of those shitty edge lords who wants to run around shooting force lightning all the time but doesn't want to feel bad about it" "no I-" "You just want to use force choke to solve all your problems, but it's okay because you're secretly the good guy" "No I-" "Look the closest thing in cannon to a grey Jedi is Qui Gon" "Exactly I want to do right by the force without the Jedi's stringent dogma, not use the si-" "BUT HE'S A JEDI!" And when they do acknowledge our point it's like they just discovered it for the first time, always : "Well maybe there are grey Jedi, bit they're not like you imagine them, they're not running around using Sith powers all over the place, they're like Joelee Binddo" "He was literally my first example!"
I believe that Grey Jedi are more powerful. Both the sith and Jedi are blinded by being too rigid, and stuck in their beliefs. While a Grey Jedi can decide for themselves what is right and wrong, and use the force more naturally to guide them. They also are not afraid to fight for their loved ones and make attachments. Those attachments I believe are one of the things that make us stronger.
I agree with everything you picked up on except Ashoka. She is not a Grey Jedi. She is "no Jedi!". Ashoka is a Force Sensitive who fights for peace. End of story. As she said herself "I did my duty as a citizen of the Republic" "not as a Jedi" "no".
Grey Jedi are the jedi who act towards the threat and worry about the social structure afterwards just to keep the peace whereas the Jedi Order is more complacent and takes too long to act.
I agree with the concepts of this video and I think that Luke Skywalker was the pinnacle or the example of a gray Jedi people often overlook Luke Skywalker and his training methods and the dark side and the light side so I believe that Luke Skywalker was the pinnacle of a great Jedi I believe Luke Skywalker was the best grade Jedi that you could ever hope to accomplish
I think we need to clarify or define the light/dark side of the force. I always thought the light side is going with the flow of the force while dark is the going against it. The more you go against the will of the force defines how far into or susceptible you are to the dark side or basically the addictive thrill of perverting nature to do what you want(intentions irrelevant). It's like robbing a bank to get rich compared to saving up and investing over time. There really isnt a middle ground. I think gray is more of the religious side that tries to interpret the will of the force (Jedi/Sith). Since they're the arbiters of force knowledge, leaving or going outside the either orders for that knowledge, to me, would constitute a gray jedi.
I agree with this take, though i do not think any of this was intended from the original movie script. This is a logical conclusion drawn from what the series as a whole has grown into.
Having both Jedi and Sith skillsets would make one quite formidable. Being able to mix-up one's powers would be a great advantage. What set Yoda (simply so old to have learned most everything) and Dooku (rare true experienced and knowledgeable Jedi Master and then Sith Lord) apart from other high-end Force users of his time was his versatility in knowledge and application of the Force. Perhaps the only two of the era, at least in canon, that can fire of Force Lightning and either absorb it or deflect it with bare hands. Only the very strongest paramount masters of light and dark would be able to overcome powerful Force users with mastery over both sides of the Force.
They are the taoists of jedi It doesn't contradict because balance is just that. Perfect balance fully negates the corruption of the dark. Because they don't give in to the darkness fully, they transcend the dark side and are using the force with all aspects entirely. Light and Dark alone can never reach the level of pure force. But I think you're generally on the right track in my way of thinking
great video explaining what is not a grey jedi. I also believe the misued idea around grey jedi to the able to be all balanced and powerful in both the light and dark side to be completely in contradiction on how one can use the force.
I think the problem with this is that the term "grey jedi" is very broad to the fans. A non jedi light side user will be considered grey jedi. A rogue jedi will be considered grey jedi. People who try to balance the light and dark will be considered grey jedi. It is very difficult to name these categories and often people will just choose grey jedi. I see grey jedi as these balanced force users such as the jensaraai, while others consider people like Ahsoka a grey jedi. I just consider her a light side force user who is not withing the jedi order. It is a very interesting topic. Although i will truthfully admit, my knowledge on ahsoka and all these new movies and series is very limited.
Would think they're bout as "balanced" typically, as alot of Force Users get. They've got MAYBE all or most of BOTH sides' strengths BUT NOT NECESSARILY the weaknesses of either. Basically if they can control the Darkside BUT know when negotiating and peacefull just ISN'T gonna be an option an can totally open up a Darkside hurt on someone or thing if they find they have to. Galen was one that came to mind too. He found it easier an easier it seems to go Light while kicking ass an lightning throwing as good an even in some ways better then the best of them
To me a Grey Jedi is able to use both the Dark and the Light sides of the force at any time, not just together. To give in to either side is too much as being to far to the light will make you more timid and question if it's right to intervene in the actions of others due to man made laws where as being too far into the dark would literally destroy you and harm the balance of the force directly. Either way the force is out of balance withing you if you are on either side of it. Being right in the middle is like being an Anti hero. You can freely study both sides of the force as a whole and act on your own intentions for good no matter what the circumstances are and you can use whatever powers you have to solve the problem at hand without harming the force around you and without harming yourself. However it takes a considerable amount of power and discipline to stay in that middle ground as the slightest nudge in either direction can be too far and sometimes for ever In my eyes the force is that invisible substance all around you in everything and it's everywhere. Sort of like if the air was filled with mana for mages to cast spells with instead of relying on pools of magic essence in the own bodies so instead of calling upon your own power you are simply plucking it out of the air and using that. The Force itself has a light side and a dark side to keep everything in a continuous circle. Things live, things die or are killed and their essence fuels new life. You can't have one without the other Grey Jedi are able to see that and freely practice both sides without ever going too far to corrupt themselves to either side. Knowing the ultimate balance of the force and allowing it to flow through themselves as pure vessels instead of "Light side only, dark side bad" or "The dark side is the only side". Use and truly understand both and know when to use either one in the proper way. Ultimately information is just information. It's people that misuse it Qui Gon was a great example and to me the closest example I've seen. He regularly went against the Jedi Order to do stuff he thought was right to the point the masters just facepalmed each time and went "Fine, I cannot be bothered to argue with you because it's a waste of time". Revan used both but ultimately switched sides as violently as a seesaw. Too far to the light side then the dark side then the light side again. While he saw and used both he was always unbalanced and so was never a proper Grey Jedi. Star Killer generally did not care. He mainly used Dark Side Powers and had Light Side training but ultimately did his own thing which was save Juno and Proxy and then leave to live a nice life somewhere until something else happened starting a whole new game. Ahsoka was mainly just a citizen. She grew disillusioned with the Jedi but never really touched on the dark side ever. She was just a rogue woman with dual lightsabers and sort of helped out the jedi on the side a few times So that's what I think a grey Jedi is and should be. And I don't think I've ever seen a proper one but I think about it regularly in "How would this change if a Grey Jedi showed up at the Jedi temple?" or "What if Ahsoka did turn into a true Grey Jedi?"
Revan was not a Grey Jedi his situation was simply unique he had what most others didn't and that was a second chance, it was his retention of knowledge of both sides nature's, strengths and weaknesses that allowed him to do what he did. He was able to understand the force from a wider perspective since he'd explored both sides at different times to their fullest extent he understood the temptation and corruption of the Darkside and also understood the Light what Revan drew upon was neither the Darkside nor the Lighside but the Force in it's purest form uncorrupted by the influence of either side, people misunderstand it as using both sides when in reality it's just using the force as it was before the corruption of the Son and daughter and the only known being to have ever done this was The Father.
Right, except when his spirit literally split in two (into a light and dark side) and the Dark Side one was the only one that said it could balance both and tried to genocide the Sith. Perfectly balanced my ass.
@@invidatauro8922 this is your misconception and assumption the same others have made, first off I didn't say he could balance both in fact I outright denied it, secondly it was actually the hundreds of years of physical, mental and spiritual torture that split Revan and lastly a lot about Star Wars including Revan was retconned, you have a good one.
The jedi order would have benefited greatly if they were more like the grey jedi, especially if they were more open-minded instead of being blindly dogmatic.
I think with all the lore in star wars (taking into account movies, games, books and comics of both legends and canon), any subject on the matter of star wars has become so complex that it's difficult to get a direct "this is what it is" unless creators themselves state it. And even then, sometimes we find contradictions. Growing up, I hated the midi-chlorians concept, preferring my head cannon of how the force works, in that your strength in the force is partially your understanding and practice of it, but more importantly your relationship with the force. When I learned more about the dark side, what I found told me that it's power corrupts the user depending on the power being used. Yes there's the rush of power, but people can learn self control. For me, it was when force users decided to use powers that bent, defied and even broke the laws of nature itself that would corrupt them, for at that point they were twisting the force in a way that never should have been. Sith Alchemy and Sorcery are perfect examples of this. So for me, as long as force users didn't delve too deeply into the dark side where they outright twisted the force too far, they could still use many of it's devastating powers for offensive purposes. Additionally, in an rp I'm in with a friend, our force users use various emotions instead of only anger and wrath to fuel their power, such as love, curiosity, hope and much more. And they all train to rein in their emotions to keep themselves from spiraling too deeply into their own emotions. AKA: what every jedi never does, cause they just tell you to bottle it up. I also think the main reason I loved this concept of force users, was that I always saw the force as just that: The force. There was no light or dark side. There was merely different applications of it. One of them risk free but harder to learn and use, and the other more powerful but with some risk dependent on how deep you delved... And admittedly I loved the idea of gray jedi because I hate both the Jedi Order and how it does things, and the Sith Order X'D Everyone is allowed their own opinions, and head cannons I think are a fun way to let people's perspectives on a topic as complex as star wars thrive even if it isn't cannon. For me, Star wars has never been 100% about "light is always good, dark is always evil". For me it's always been about: "How it's used." The best example I can provide is the story of the Sith who used the dark side off of curiosity and not anger, and never did anything evil (check it out, I learned about him on this guy's channel). I love debating and talking about many topics, but I tried to avoid this topic most of the time. This was mainly because people were either 100% on your side, or 100% against you. However for this video? Idk. I felt moved to make a comment this time. Maybe it's because I'm content with my little head cannon. No matter how many people scream or argue with me with how or why I'm wrong, I enjoy this little concept of mine, and the characters and stories that I've imagined up along with it. Forgive me for the wall of text btw. Thanks for reading all the way, and I hope you have a great day!
The jedi order had problems. They were arrogant and so dogmatic destroying the sith will not destroy the dark side itself they had to learn to live with their emotions and not deny that every person has some dark in himself which led anakin to path to the dark side.
You have to twist your hatred while surrendering entirely to it to ultimately reinforce your control over it. This is referred to as a True Sith. Someone who not only can delve into the dark side completely but maintain themselves in the process. Only four entities have ever achieved such. Darth Mortivarr Darth Vitiate Marka Ragnos and King Adas With Darth Mortivarr being King Adas's return as the Sith'ari. Even Darth Sidious never achieved this feat, instead his entire story is rewritten to insinuate he did become or always was a dark entity to elevate his grandeur greater than it actually was. He is essentially made out to be Darith Vitiate 2.0 with much of the same initial nature as a Dark Side entity as Darth Vitiate without being the child of a slave being included which gives Darth Vitiate more understanding to his initial character than Darth Sidious who is just made evil for evil's sake. The real Darth Sidious was originally a Jedi who fell from grace early (before even being a Jedi), returned to the light to become one of its greatest paragons, then fell again but not so dramatically as shown. Rather it is the Jedi who pushed him to the Dark Side this time, his original descent came while being a child and furious with the corruption of his family over the people of Naboo, leading to him killing them and taking over as the leader of his family's business, which he gladly surrendered to the Jedi before being taken in by them. Seeing his shame and humility led to the Jedi allowing him to be trained even though he was no older than Anakin at that time when he became initiated as a youngling. Also his fall and mastery into the dark side (even though not to the extent as a True Sith) was brought by the teaching of a Sith Ghost that haunted him upon being slayed when Palpatine was a Jedi. Palpatine never was originally a student of Darth Plagious, rather he was haunted by him. Add this with the Jedi turning on Palpatine due to their irrational hatred of Zhor'i, which is the species the "humans" in star wars belong to and you have the real Sidious. This is completely different from Darth Vitiate who became furious due to his station in birth as the son of a slave, he himself had no future but to be a slave. This fury with the power he inherited from his father (who was a powerful lord in his own right) led to Tenebrae using the force to do as it is stated. He then became Vitiate as Marka Ragnos recognized him as the only being who has also achieved the feat of becoming a True Sith. Someone who becomes a True Sith is no longer harmed by the Dark Side of the force and can master both the Dark and the Light given they haven't been tainted by the Light Side to lose their sense of individuality. This feat has only been mastered by two who are ultimately the same being, King Adas and Darth Mortivarr.
I don't think Grey Jedi are particularly stronger than Dark Jedi/Sith or Jedi themselves they have more variation, but that doesn't particularly mean someone is stronger just cause. And I know Revan and Kyle could be classified as Greys but they're a uncommon example
Yeah that's exactly right, Revan was similar to Anakin, he was a focal point, an aberration, distinctly different from other Jedi long before he was tempted to the dark side.
Exactly and for Kyle Katarn's circumstance (not to take anything away from the Jedi battle master of Luke's order.) he was in a era of star wars where the Jedi were basically extinct in nearly every regard prior to Luke reviving the order so he didn't have a whole lot of people to be compared to at the time.
Without citing a source; proficiency of any skill is reach for of about 80% of learning/understanding; the last 20% of that skill takes true dedication. As an argument for the case the proficiency will be learned faster, though losing to the subtle nuances in 1 aspect. The Grey Jedi would have more skills at a high level as opposed to a few skills at master level.
I like the concept of Grey Jedi because you can't know Good without Evil or Light Without Dark. Each side, the jedi and the sith, are the extreme or each side of the force. Just look at the word Force a Force is olny bad until there is too much or not enough of it. I also believe being a Grey Jedi would be hard-line to walk keeping your emotions in check so you are not driven buy them but also not becoming emotional less husk. Well that's my 2 cents
Thanks for the educational video but I still say Galen Marek is still a Grey Jedi, because despite his training, his heart and essence is what we were working on and with in both games.
Thanks for clearing things up But for those that are spiritual or religious people like me... its like following the Holy Ghost(spirit of God) in all your doing through your life. VS letting church culture or stereotypes of life get in the way of progress towards God.
how about designating a label that does not include the words "jedi" or "sith" ....how bout... a "GREY-DAI".... That's sounds tight. *officially coined* you heard it here first ladies and gents...
No you guys hit the nail on the head. I've always felt like Qui gon was in his rite a Grey Jedi constantly being at odds with the High Council, who nothing but dogmatic narrow minded attack dogs for politicians. Now this video solidified my view that Grey Jedi are more powerful than normal Jedi because they follow the Laws set in place by the Force.
Someone like a librated jedi is more open, powerful and connected more to telekinesis way more than if the same person being trained with restrictions. True jedi's power is more connected and potent usually; free, compassionate, liberate, maybe having a happy-go-lucky feel while having the needed knowledge, without strict things.
The Jedi often labeled certain abilities as being of the dark side. It was most likely that they could lead one down a dark path, and perhaps they were simply being over protective. Much like their false belief of a Jedi not having romantic and familial relationships. There are other abilities that are inherently dark and there is no way to use those powers without being evil at heart. However again there are many stories of legend where Jedi that had fallen to the dark side had been redeemed and returned to the light. What of all the force sensitive that were rejected by the Jedi and those that were never discovered by the Jedi or Sith? Some may have been dark others light but most were mostly likely somewhere in between as they didn't have the training of the Jedi or the Sith and left to their own devices. One does not have to have formal training to become proficient. Not everything is black and white and there are many shades of gray. Perhaps there is no dark or light, there is just the force.
Because of the power of myth, they don't exist lol. Basically anyone not bound by the order and not outright dark side users get thrown in this catch all. In reality they are just Jedi, albeit the ones not turned into insane ideologues as kids
So Revan in the novel "Revan", after he retrieved his mask and the memories his power was magnified not because he accepted the dark but because of his intimate knowledge of it. He was able to overcome a specific sith Lord that had been beyond him. Because he understood sith lightning. This allowed him to contain it, magnify it, and redirect it without summoning it himself. I've always thought Yoda must have fought sith or a powerful dark jedi in order to understand how to reflect dokus lighting .
Not necessarily, plo koon taught him force judgement. So he definitely had some experience.
@@roryg3752 It's a head cannon issue but I've never considered comics cannon to me.
Not to mention the masters had much more knowledge of the darkside because of locked up dark relics and artifacts only they had access to study.
@@codymaciel7203 and some also corrupted by some of those sith relics and artifacts
The novel stated that Revan stood on the "knife's edge" of the light and dark
Grey Jedi don't buy into the dogma of the Jedi order without question. They question what the Force wants them to do, not the Council. This, inherently, puts them more in tune with the Force and allows them to channel it more effectively.
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The grey jedi has always been fascinating to me. Loved the video. Keep up the great work!
I mostly agree with this vid. I do agree that since someone in 'true balance' would be far from either extreme they would be denied some of the powers witnessed by devotees of Light or Dark. Their time would be split between three fields of study: Lightsaber combat, Light-side powers & Dark-side powers while traditional Sith and Jedi would only have two fields of study.
It's just a simple fact that someone with more to do but the same time to do it will get less done on either front, but would paint a more complete picture.
The true strength of a Balanced force user would be their mind-set. Bright lights and pitch darkness can both blind, but the more worldly perspective of a Balanced force user would grant them clarity of vision, and strength of purpose.
Eternal, endless Light is but a barren desert.
Eternal, endless Dark is but a maelstrom of death.
To quote a mentor of mine:
'A man cannot walk without opposing feet. Allow yourself to move forward carrying the lessons of both.'
I can totally understand why they are. They let instinct and emotions guide them, But are free of limitations and dogma to do what they feel is necessary which probably grants them a stronger bond to the living force and force in general
and they also cherish bonds and attachments to grow as force users. Opposite of what yoda's and windu's order thought, attchments made the force wielders stronger and not weaker or more prone to fall to the dark side
Revan was able to overcome Darth Vitiate's force barrier by throwing "the light and the dark" at him simultaneously.
Yeah and then his spirit split into two because light and dark don’t mix well
@@invidatauro8922 That wasn't for another 300 years
@@katiepersons6575 Still shows that it's bullshit to think that you can be "balanced" with both.
That's like saying the cancer in my body is balanced with the healthy cells.
@@katiepersons6575 So it's possible to mix them together it's just extremely dangerous.
@@samwilsoncaptainamerica233Yeah And Very Hard
I'll be honest, never in a million years would I have at it that way, I always thought of gray Jedi as someone who has access to abilities that no other wielder, light or dark, could access. This was enlightening.
For me, that still makes more sense. I’ve always considered the Je’daii to be “Grey Jedi” since they focused to be balanced with the full spectrum of the Force. Of course, the Je’daii fall under Legends now so I guess this explanation in the video works.
Well... just because a grey Jedi can't access the deeper abilities of the darkside, they may be able to develop powers and abilities beyond that of regular Jedi. I imagine there are abilities only usable by those who follow the Will of the Force. It's not like we have a lot to go on... yet :P writing my own star wars novel, may it see the light of day!
Mace mindu was a grey jedi
I agree completely on how this video describes “Grey Jedi”.
Grey Jedi Can use anger to enhance themselves during a duel, but do not let it become hatred. Anger is a natural emotion, and when used properly, can make you feel the passion and thrill of combat. It requires allowing yourself to be selfish to a degree without falling into narcissism. Mace Windu used Juyo in this way I think.
Grey Jedi do not shun the Dark Side entirely, Jedi like Luke and Yoda were outliers. Mace was probably the most "grey" character in the Jedi of his time. Revan is a different story as he spent time as both a Jedi and a Sith at different times
Qui-Gon was much more of a grey jedi than Windu ever was during his lifespawn. being grey does not mean balancing powers from each side, even if you could stay on one. keeping it simple, the light side of the force is the balance of the force and the Dark Side is the corruption of the force - which can be proved with the death of the last Sith Lord.
@@Maddog-xc2zv Qui-Gon being a maverick wasn't the same thing as being a "grey Jedi". He fully shunned the dark side, despite his disagreements with the council.
@@decepticonxhunter4850 for me grey jedis dom't shun on the dark side but follow the will of the force instead of the will of the "men". Qui Gon and others were in fact real jedi, mavericks being the ones on the order trying to interpret how jedi should use the force instead of simply following it's will, one of the main reasons the order fell at the hands of the sith a few years BBY.
Mace Windu was very different to a grey jedi even by your definition. What he did was draw from the light side to use a lightsaber form that was usually only used by the dark side at the time. The clone wars era jedi order wasn't able to teach that form properly because it draws from one's compassion (rather than rage for the sith), which was discouraged in the jedi order but but not actually something related to the dark side.
So he never actually used the dark side of the force.
@@probablygeneric429 Well we know Mace struggles with anger and practiced Vapaad a fighting style that let many jedi to turn to the dark side. Yet Windu probably didn't fall to the dark side because he was trained by Yoda.
Mace Windu was on the borderline between the light and dark side, if anything that's a true grey jedi.
Qui Gon rejected the dark side completely, how can he be a grey jedi?
Don't we have a balanced Force user in the Father and if he made the choice to replace him Anakin (if given time) since the Father was the Balance between the Son and Daughter which would mean he used both or didn't see a difference between them
Father kept Son and Daughter too achieve all power in the force. which is curious, as the force is said to hate the sith who did not followed it but it was bent to the sith will. True balance, as is stated more and more over by fans, was achieved with the death of the last Sith Lord and such perversion of the force.
I do find it interesting that in order to bring balance to the force, there will always need to be Sith lords, so if the Jedi eliminate the Sith they themselves would need to be eliminated to bring balance to the force, or the force will produce another Dark side user to counter the Jedi's light side.
Thus why I think that "Balance" is the absence of both. Tython was in Balance until the first schism when The Light and The Dark first clashed. True Balance is simply complete harmony with The Will of The Force. And inevitably those who claim to be paragons of the light always blind themselves to their own corruption and from that spawn new followers of The Dark.
@@kaimagnus5760 Anakin was bringing balance to the force by murdering everyone
@@D_To_The_J Exactly. By the end of Order 66 There were 2 Jedi. There were also two Sith left. Then when Yoda and Obi-Wan died it was 0 Jedi and 2 Sith. So Anakin, being the drama queen he is, kills Sidius and dies in the process setting the scale to 0 Jedi and 0 Sith.
@@kaimagnus5760 uhh, Luke Skywalker was a Jedi and we have 100,000+ and every day more counting Order 66 survivors. So much for "The Last Jedi."
@@Hello-bi1pm Luke is more akin to that of a Grey Jedi, so are all of the Jedi survivors of Order 66. Many of the survivors like Kanin were the next generation of Jedi and couldn’t be taught the old ways as the dogma died with their masters. And Luke regularly dabbled in the Dark Side to strengthen himself against its temptations but also so that he could follow the complete will of the force and not the Jedi code.
The ability to use the light side is good but the grey jedi do NOT have to follow the code which means they can connect with people on a more intimate level.
I don't know if I can say that a Grey Jedi is stronger than a normal Jedi, or even a Sith as some people believe. MY opinion is that a Grey Jedi is balanced, having bits of the light & the dark and the only way that they'd be able to be stronger is to to give themselves fully to one side or the other. It kinda goes back to the phrase "no man can serve two masters." I also see a normal Jedi trying to abide by the light and do things conventionally while a Grey Jedi probably has no qualms about unconventional warfare or flexible thinking to get the job done when their plans or methods align with The Force. An example of what I'm saying is the characters in Aliens vs. Predator. The Predators have a balance of strength, speed, and skill while Dutch sacrifices speed & skill for strength and Linn sacrifices strength for speed & skill.
I can see where you are coming from and an example of this would be in Episode 1 where Qui-Gon uses the Force on the chance cubes. Yoda, most likely, would not. Great channel and love all your content!
Again, I like the way he says "Jedi Order"
Thank you for explaining Grey Jedi. I always felt that Grey Jedi were light-siders that rejected the Orthodoxy of the Temple and succumbed to the Will of the Force, acting with it's guidance alone.
I think you hit the nail on the head, you could go on to say. Accepting the will of the Force as a whole will combine dark and light side abilities. Making them pure and sometimes completely different from their previous separate forms. Example Force drain can be combined with Force heal, and make a Force feedback loop that gives the user Force immortality.
I just want to say that the thing I don’t like about how being a Jedi sounds is that it sounds as if you have to hold in your breath for only so long that if you release it you fall to the dark side kind of thing if anyone could explain this better to me I’d be grateful
The thing you have to realize is that the mainstream belief that the Jedi were anti-emotion prudes is absolute nonsense and fictitious, and it's usually based on ppl not understanding that the Jedi believed that a person should master their emotions so they aren't destroyed or corrupted by them. It is a virtue instead of a weakness. The Sith historically self-destructed because they were slaves to their emotions.
Grey jedi code line 1 : There is no light without dark.
There is no dark without light.
There is only the force
If the force out of Star Wars were a true religion, I'd covert to it in a heartbeat! 😃😍 Grey Jedi preferably
Great explanation
My own head canon is always going to chafe against the idea that using the dark is inherently corruptive. The practitioners like the Sith likely fall into a positive feedback loop, wherein their greed and lust for power will lead them into exerting greater dominance over the Force - which always fights back and might be an explanation for the visible deformities they suffer over time. Perhaps that can lead to uncovering greater abilities or powerful variants of existing ones, but a willful approach to the Force need not lead to such a destructive spiral. The same way that the patience and repose of a Jedi need not result in utter passiveness and inutility.
A consideration that is not given near often enough, is: Would one in balance truly NEED to master either the Light or Dark let alone both? Imagine taking the Jedi approach by allowing the Force to flow and swell within oneself. Not near enough to the point of oneness with it, or summoning the actual light of the Force, but to a high level just the same. And then with righteous rather than selfish anger, discharging a burst of lightning. It wouldn't surprise me if such an approach bucked the pompous words of Darth Plagueis who claimed that anything other than true Sith Lightning was simply a facsimile. That's just a single example.
This esoteric, figurative take on what a Gray Jedi is has always annoyed me in particular. It's gained notable traction due to dialogue from KOTOR II and the likes of Pablo Hidalgo claiming that a Force user balanced between light and dark is a "cop out". However, let's take that concept and use its own logic to deconstruct the very notion of the Force as a binary since that is one of the most dogmatic beliefs of both Jedi and Sith.
I believe what this video was reaching for was each force user is unique. Also where each force user fits (ex. Jedi, sith, grey jedi, ect.) it is a spectrum.
All I'm gonna say is that the Bendu was pretty ridiculously powerful. And he was "the one in the middle"
Very true
I think Revan was the most powerful because of his battle IQ and understanding of both the light and dark sides of the force, but he was a Jedi. Light side was his affiliation.
A Grey Jedi can be compared with a ronin. Their ideology is parallel to the council, but their methodology is their own. They are the most true to themselves, which is a double edged sword concerning the will of the Force. Yet, their trust in the Force is where their real power lies.
I would count Ghost of Tsushima’a Jin Sakai as a model for a grey Jedi.
This video was actually very helpful to me cause I don’t have much understanding about what a grey Jedi. It showed me that my OC I’m making is actually a Dark Jedi instead of a grey Jedi.
This is very interesting. Very informative and nice. I agree. Gray Jedi had wider views,beliefs. They listen the Force,which is most important. Will of the Force. Gray Jedi can do things far better. They use dark side but are not corrupted. Perfectly explained. We should let the Force flow through us. I enjoyed this :) Thanks :) May the Force be with you too
Popular by people who aren't the ones saying they like the idea of the grey Jedi.
I think you hit the mark, I'm just exhausted with this freaking conversation, it always goes the same :
"would you rather be a Jedi or a Sith"
"I think I prefer the Grey Jedi's ideology, you know, like Joelee"
"oh so your just one of those shitty edge lords who wants to run around shooting force lightning all the time but doesn't want to feel bad about it"
"no I-"
"You just want to use force choke to solve all your problems, but it's okay because you're secretly the good guy"
"No I-"
"Look the closest thing in cannon to a grey Jedi is Qui Gon"
"Exactly I want to do right by the force without the Jedi's stringent dogma, not use the si-"
"BUT HE'S A JEDI!"
And when they do acknowledge our point it's like they just discovered it for the first time, always :
"Well maybe there are grey Jedi, bit they're not like you imagine them, they're not running around using Sith powers all over the place, they're like Joelee Binddo"
"He was literally my first example!"
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Your knowledge of the grey jedi is always of interest to me. Especially when the lies of light vs dark are excised
Ancient Jedi versus the Grey Jedi versus Luke’s Jedi.
I believe that Grey Jedi are more powerful. Both the sith and Jedi are blinded by being too rigid, and stuck in their beliefs. While a Grey Jedi can decide for themselves what is right and wrong, and use the force more naturally to guide them. They also are not afraid to fight for their loved ones and make attachments. Those attachments I believe are one of the things that make us stronger.
Oh yeah. I'm a Grey Jedi at heart. And I want to stay that way. While preferably wielding a double-bladed lightsaber.
I agree with everything you picked up on except Ashoka. She is not a Grey Jedi. She is "no Jedi!". Ashoka is a Force Sensitive who fights for peace. End of story. As she said herself "I did my duty as a citizen of the Republic" "not as a Jedi" "no".
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@@Sub-Zero_104th nah
@@samuelrobles3737 :(
He has one Already look it up
@@crackacuzo2411 nope only has parts 1 and 2
Grey Jedi are the jedi who act towards the threat and worry about the social structure afterwards just to keep the peace whereas the Jedi Order is more complacent and takes too long to act.
I agree with the concepts of this video and I think that Luke Skywalker was the pinnacle or the example of a gray Jedi people often overlook Luke Skywalker and his training methods and the dark side and the light side so I believe that Luke Skywalker was the pinnacle of a great Jedi I believe Luke Skywalker was the best grade Jedi that you could ever hope to accomplish
I think we need to clarify or define the light/dark side of the force. I always thought the light side is going with the flow of the force while dark is the going against it. The more you go against the will of the force defines how far into or susceptible you are to the dark side or basically the addictive thrill of perverting nature to do what you want(intentions irrelevant). It's like robbing a bank to get rich compared to saving up and investing over time. There really isnt a middle ground. I think gray is more of the religious side that tries to interpret the will of the force (Jedi/Sith). Since they're the arbiters of force knowledge, leaving or going outside the either orders for that knowledge, to me, would constitute a gray jedi.
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I agree with this take, though i do not think any of this was intended from the original movie script. This is a logical conclusion drawn from what the series as a whole has grown into.
Yes they are
I don't know, Kyle Katarn shoots off force lightning like a fire hose and I've never seen him become corrupted because of it.
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Dave Filoni himself has stated that, “ To call Ashoka a Grey Jedi is an insult to the character.”
It's true. She's literally the living embodiment of the light side ever since she was imbued with The Daughters life force.
Canon does a horrible job of mentioning non-jedi light side groups.
Having both Jedi and Sith skillsets would make one quite formidable. Being able to mix-up one's powers would be a great advantage. What set Yoda (simply so old to have learned most everything) and Dooku (rare true experienced and knowledgeable Jedi Master and then Sith Lord) apart from other high-end Force users of his time was his versatility in knowledge and application of the Force. Perhaps the only two of the era, at least in canon, that can fire of Force Lightning and either absorb it or deflect it with bare hands. Only the very strongest paramount masters of light and dark would be able to overcome powerful Force users with mastery over both sides of the Force.
How powerful would Darth Plagueis be if he became a Grey Jedi?
They are the taoists of jedi
It doesn't contradict because balance is just that.
Perfect balance fully negates the corruption of the dark.
Because they don't give in to the darkness fully, they transcend the dark side and are using the force with all aspects entirely. Light and Dark alone can never reach the level of pure force.
But I think you're generally on the right track in my way of thinking
great video explaining what is not a grey jedi. I also believe the misued idea around grey jedi to the able to be all balanced and powerful in both the light and dark side to be completely in contradiction on how one can use the force.
Great video!
How do you explain the father or the Bintu?
You can’t really consider Asoka as a Grey. She’s the embodiment of the Daughter.
I think the problem with this is that the term "grey jedi" is very broad to the fans.
A non jedi light side user will be considered grey jedi.
A rogue jedi will be considered grey jedi.
People who try to balance the light and dark will be considered grey jedi.
It is very difficult to name these categories and often people will just choose grey jedi.
I see grey jedi as these balanced force users such as the jensaraai, while others consider people like Ahsoka a grey jedi.
I just consider her a light side force user who is not withing the jedi order.
It is a very interesting topic.
Although i will truthfully admit, my knowledge on ahsoka and all these new movies and series is very limited.
Would think they're bout as "balanced" typically, as alot of Force Users get. They've got MAYBE all or most of BOTH sides' strengths BUT NOT NECESSARILY the weaknesses of either. Basically if they can control the Darkside BUT know when negotiating and peacefull just ISN'T gonna be an option an can totally open up a Darkside hurt on someone or thing if they find they have to. Galen was one that came to mind too. He found it easier an easier it seems to go Light while kicking ass an lightning throwing as good an even in some ways better then the best of them
What about a Force User with multiple personalitys. One that ist fully in light and one that ist fully dark?
i hope in the ahsoka series we see what she learned in the temple on malachor plus her meeting bendu & learning how to be “the one in the middle”
To me a Grey Jedi is able to use both the Dark and the Light sides of the force at any time, not just together. To give in to either side is too much as being to far to the light will make you more timid and question if it's right to intervene in the actions of others due to man made laws where as being too far into the dark would literally destroy you and harm the balance of the force directly. Either way the force is out of balance withing you if you are on either side of it. Being right in the middle is like being an Anti hero. You can freely study both sides of the force as a whole and act on your own intentions for good no matter what the circumstances are and you can use whatever powers you have to solve the problem at hand without harming the force around you and without harming yourself. However it takes a considerable amount of power and discipline to stay in that middle ground as the slightest nudge in either direction can be too far and sometimes for ever
In my eyes the force is that invisible substance all around you in everything and it's everywhere. Sort of like if the air was filled with mana for mages to cast spells with instead of relying on pools of magic essence in the own bodies so instead of calling upon your own power you are simply plucking it out of the air and using that. The Force itself has a light side and a dark side to keep everything in a continuous circle. Things live, things die or are killed and their essence fuels new life. You can't have one without the other
Grey Jedi are able to see that and freely practice both sides without ever going too far to corrupt themselves to either side. Knowing the ultimate balance of the force and allowing it to flow through themselves as pure vessels instead of "Light side only, dark side bad" or "The dark side is the only side". Use and truly understand both and know when to use either one in the proper way. Ultimately information is just information. It's people that misuse it
Qui Gon was a great example and to me the closest example I've seen. He regularly went against the Jedi Order to do stuff he thought was right to the point the masters just facepalmed each time and went "Fine, I cannot be bothered to argue with you because it's a waste of time". Revan used both but ultimately switched sides as violently as a seesaw. Too far to the light side then the dark side then the light side again. While he saw and used both he was always unbalanced and so was never a proper Grey Jedi. Star Killer generally did not care. He mainly used Dark Side Powers and had Light Side training but ultimately did his own thing which was save Juno and Proxy and then leave to live a nice life somewhere until something else happened starting a whole new game. Ahsoka was mainly just a citizen. She grew disillusioned with the Jedi but never really touched on the dark side ever. She was just a rogue woman with dual lightsabers and sort of helped out the jedi on the side a few times
So that's what I think a grey Jedi is and should be. And I don't think I've ever seen a proper one but I think about it regularly in "How would this change if a Grey Jedi showed up at the Jedi temple?" or "What if Ahsoka did turn into a true Grey Jedi?"
Good job.
Grey jedi are probably just someone who uses the force without caring which side they use.
Revan was not a Grey Jedi his situation was simply unique he had what most others didn't and that was a second chance, it was his retention of knowledge of both sides nature's, strengths and weaknesses that allowed him to do what he did.
He was able to understand the force from a wider perspective since he'd explored both sides at different times to their fullest extent he understood the temptation and corruption of the Darkside and also understood the Light
what Revan drew upon was neither the Darkside nor the Lighside but the Force in it's purest form uncorrupted by the influence of either side, people misunderstand it as using both sides when in reality it's just using the force as it was before the corruption of the Son and daughter and the only known being to have ever done this was The Father.
Right, except when his spirit literally split in two (into a light and dark side) and the Dark Side one was the only one that said it could balance both and tried to genocide the Sith.
Perfectly balanced my ass.
@@invidatauro8922 this is your misconception and assumption the same others have made, first off I didn't say he could balance both in fact I outright denied it, secondly it was actually the hundreds of years of physical, mental and spiritual torture that split Revan and lastly a lot about Star Wars including Revan was retconned, you have a good one.
Grey Jedi: Qui Gon Jin, Luke Skywalker, Ahsoka Tano, etc. They follow the path of the OG Jedi. They get it.
The jedi order would have benefited greatly if they were more like the grey jedi, especially if they were more open-minded instead of being blindly dogmatic.
Anakin wouldn't have been corrupted and Palpatine would've been killed.
I think with all the lore in star wars (taking into account movies, games, books and comics of both legends and canon), any subject on the matter of star wars has become so complex that it's difficult to get a direct "this is what it is" unless creators themselves state it. And even then, sometimes we find contradictions. Growing up, I hated the midi-chlorians concept, preferring my head cannon of how the force works, in that your strength in the force is partially your understanding and practice of it, but more importantly your relationship with the force. When I learned more about the dark side, what I found told me that it's power corrupts the user depending on the power being used. Yes there's the rush of power, but people can learn self control. For me, it was when force users decided to use powers that bent, defied and even broke the laws of nature itself that would corrupt them, for at that point they were twisting the force in a way that never should have been. Sith Alchemy and Sorcery are perfect examples of this.
So for me, as long as force users didn't delve too deeply into the dark side where they outright twisted the force too far, they could still use many of it's devastating powers for offensive purposes. Additionally, in an rp I'm in with a friend, our force users use various emotions instead of only anger and wrath to fuel their power, such as love, curiosity, hope and much more. And they all train to rein in their emotions to keep themselves from spiraling too deeply into their own emotions. AKA: what every jedi never does, cause they just tell you to bottle it up. I also think the main reason I loved this concept of force users, was that I always saw the force as just that: The force. There was no light or dark side. There was merely different applications of it. One of them risk free but harder to learn and use, and the other more powerful but with some risk dependent on how deep you delved... And admittedly I loved the idea of gray jedi because I hate both the Jedi Order and how it does things, and the Sith Order X'D
Everyone is allowed their own opinions, and head cannons I think are a fun way to let people's perspectives on a topic as complex as star wars thrive even if it isn't cannon. For me, Star wars has never been 100% about "light is always good, dark is always evil". For me it's always been about: "How it's used." The best example I can provide is the story of the Sith who used the dark side off of curiosity and not anger, and never did anything evil (check it out, I learned about him on this guy's channel).
I love debating and talking about many topics, but I tried to avoid this topic most of the time. This was mainly because people were either 100% on your side, or 100% against you. However for this video? Idk. I felt moved to make a comment this time. Maybe it's because I'm content with my little head cannon. No matter how many people scream or argue with me with how or why I'm wrong, I enjoy this little concept of mine, and the characters and stories that I've imagined up along with it.
Forgive me for the wall of text btw. Thanks for reading all the way, and I hope you have a great day!
The code of the grey Jedi is the way to go
No it contradicts the Jedi’s view of the force, people seem to forget that the story is done by the Jedi point of view.
that is true
The jedi order had problems. They were arrogant and so dogmatic destroying the sith will not destroy the dark side itself they had to learn to live with their emotions and not deny that every person has some dark in himself which led anakin to path to the dark side.
Grey Jedi till I die!!!!😎💯
Where did you get that photo for the thumbnail
2:13 a Grey Jedi would say surrender isn't the way of the Dark Side, Light Side has Force Ghosts you can learn from, too. cheaper tuition as well.
You have to twist your hatred while surrendering entirely to it to ultimately reinforce your control over it. This is referred to as a True Sith. Someone who not only can delve into the dark side completely but maintain themselves in the process. Only four entities have ever achieved such.
Darth Mortivarr
Darth Vitiate
Marka Ragnos
and King Adas
With Darth Mortivarr being King Adas's return as the Sith'ari.
Even Darth Sidious never achieved this feat, instead his entire story is rewritten to insinuate he did become or always was a dark entity to elevate his grandeur greater than it actually was. He is essentially made out to be Darith Vitiate 2.0 with much of the same initial nature as a Dark Side entity as Darth Vitiate without being the child of a slave being included which gives Darth Vitiate more understanding to his initial character than Darth Sidious who is just made evil for evil's sake. The real Darth Sidious was originally a Jedi who fell from grace early (before even being a Jedi), returned to the light to become one of its greatest paragons, then fell again but not so dramatically as shown. Rather it is the Jedi who pushed him to the Dark Side this time, his original descent came while being a child and furious with the corruption of his family over the people of Naboo, leading to him killing them and taking over as the leader of his family's business, which he gladly surrendered to the Jedi before being taken in by them. Seeing his shame and humility led to the Jedi allowing him to be trained even though he was no older than Anakin at that time when he became initiated as a youngling. Also his fall and mastery into the dark side (even though not to the extent as a True Sith) was brought by the teaching of a Sith Ghost that haunted him upon being slayed when Palpatine was a Jedi. Palpatine never was originally a student of Darth Plagious, rather he was haunted by him. Add this with the Jedi turning on Palpatine due to their irrational hatred of Zhor'i, which is the species the "humans" in star wars belong to and you have the real Sidious. This is completely different from Darth Vitiate who became furious due to his station in birth as the son of a slave, he himself had no future but to be a slave. This fury with the power he inherited from his father (who was a powerful lord in his own right) led to Tenebrae using the force to do as it is stated. He then became Vitiate as Marka Ragnos recognized him as the only being who has also achieved the feat of becoming a True Sith.
Someone who becomes a True Sith is no longer harmed by the Dark Side of the force and can master both the Dark and the Light given they haven't been tainted by the Light Side to lose their sense of individuality. This feat has only been mastered by two who are ultimately the same being, King Adas and Darth Mortivarr.
I'd love it if you did a vid on if Cal Kistis is a Gray jedi
Being gray jedi seems more realistic than only light or Dark side filosofy
I don't think Grey Jedi are particularly stronger than Dark Jedi/Sith or Jedi themselves they have more variation, but that doesn't particularly mean someone is stronger just cause. And I know Revan and Kyle could be classified as Greys but they're a uncommon example
Jedi philosophy is about the light and never grey. Grey can't be a jedi or sith. Jedi devoted to the Light and Sith devoted to the Dark
Yeah that's exactly right, Revan was similar to Anakin, he was a focal point, an aberration, distinctly different from other Jedi long before he was tempted to the dark side.
Exactly and for Kyle Katarn's circumstance (not to take anything away from the Jedi battle master of Luke's order.) he was in a era of star wars where the Jedi were basically extinct in nearly every regard prior to Luke reviving the order so he didn't have a whole lot of people to be compared to at the time.
I agree 💯
Without citing a source; proficiency of any skill is reach for of about 80% of learning/understanding; the last 20% of that skill takes true dedication. As an argument for the case the proficiency will be learned faster, though losing to the subtle nuances in 1 aspect. The Grey Jedi would have more skills at a high level as opposed to a few skills at master level.
Grey Jedi definitely got a boost from the Jedi apprentice and Padawan novels.
I like the concept of Grey Jedi because you can't know Good without Evil or Light Without Dark. Each side, the jedi and the sith, are the extreme or each side of the force. Just look at the word Force a Force is olny bad until there is too much or not enough of it. I also believe being a Grey Jedi would be hard-line to walk keeping your emotions in check so you are not driven buy them but also not becoming emotional less husk. Well that's my 2 cents
Grey Jedi are Sith who pretend that they are not. They are not more powerful. They are severely compromised and don't realize it.
The grey Jedi are the Jedi in their true form, imo.
Yoda needed a slap.
Indeed. Yoda was wise, but not wise enough apparently.
Thanks for the educational video but I still say Galen Marek is still a Grey Jedi, because despite his training, his heart and essence is what we were working on and with in both games.
Dark Jedi vid next?? Light sided Sith maybe???
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I think this is the best video I have seen from you, great research, and what if Anakin became a gray Jedi??? 😂
In my opinion it's because after they brake from the dogma of the Jedi they can in some small way tap in to the Bendu as well as the Aslasha.
Thanks for clearing things up
But for those that are spiritual or religious people like me... its like following the Holy Ghost(spirit of God) in all your doing through your life. VS letting church culture or stereotypes of life get in the way of progress towards God.
isnt there a video about why the empire stopped using the venator class star destroyer from the clone wars?
Heck Yeah!!!
how about designating a label that does not include the words "jedi" or "sith"
....how bout...
a "GREY-DAI"....
That's sounds tight.
*officially coined*
you heard it here first ladies and gents...
We are the gray this is the way
Gray Jedi are just Jedi who were born in the wrong era and knew the force as it wanted to be.
By the time of Star Wars episode IV Obi-wan was a gray Jedi.
No you guys hit the nail on the head. I've always felt like Qui gon was in his rite a Grey Jedi constantly being at odds with the High Council, who nothing but dogmatic narrow minded attack dogs for politicians. Now this video solidified my view that Grey Jedi are more powerful than normal Jedi because they follow the Laws set in place by the Force.
Gray Jedis are the closest to the original je'daii
Some people could use the Darkside and not fall to it it's just that most people who use the Darkside don't have enough will power to resist it
Grey Jedi have the best of both worlds -
light and dark side of the force.
Someone like a librated jedi is more open, powerful and connected more to telekinesis way more than if the same person being trained with restrictions.
True jedi's power is more connected and potent usually; free, compassionate, liberate, maybe having a happy-go-lucky feel while having the needed knowledge, without strict things.
is Quinlan Vos a Grey Jedi or Dark Jedi
The Jedi often labeled certain abilities as being of the dark side. It was most likely that they could lead one down a dark path, and perhaps they were simply being over protective. Much like their false belief of a Jedi not having romantic and familial relationships.
There are other abilities that are inherently dark and there is no way to use those powers without being evil at heart. However again there are many stories of legend where Jedi that had fallen to the dark side had been redeemed and returned to the light.
What of all the force sensitive that were rejected by the Jedi and those that were never discovered by the Jedi or Sith? Some may have been dark others light but most were mostly likely somewhere in between as they didn't have the training of the Jedi or the Sith and left to their own devices. One does not have to have formal training to become proficient.
Not everything is black and white and there are many shades of gray. Perhaps there is no dark or light, there is just the force.
Because of the power of myth, they don't exist lol. Basically anyone not bound by the order and not outright dark side users get thrown in this catch all. In reality they are just Jedi, albeit the ones not turned into insane ideologues as kids
I would say Gray Jedi are Jedi are just Jedi that don’t put too many limits on themselves.
They act like normal people and not religious fanatics.
My question is could Anakin access the full power of both dark and light side of the force since he is a creation of the force and the chosen one?