TC Mimiq Doubler - Great or Garbage?
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Mimiq really shines splitting the stereo into two amps in the room live
Well played Kev and great video Leon. I've had a Mimiq on my stereo rig for the last couple of months and it's almost always on, I like it fattening everything up. There are moments where it seems to freak out a bit but most of the time it gives me what I was looking for.
Hi @chris , great to hear you have found mimiq being useful. I would like to hear about your setup, because I have experienced some issues that I think are due to phase. Cheers!
Thanks for a very detailed and intelligent review! Well done. I am convinced it will help me get that stereo sound from my two-amp setup, which sounds more like mono! 😊
Very nice playing! I love good sounding clean tones. And you certainly know how to do it. I love chorus on my cleans.
Chorused clean is the peanut butter and jelly sandwich of tone!
@@LeonTodd It pretty much is! It might be over-used... but we like it anyway.
Hey Leon, just wanted to say your videos are fantastic. You've got the rock n roll spirit, a positive vibe, play great and you manage to be informative while having fun with the videos. Take it easy dude!
I appreciate that!
I replaced mine with an Arion SCH chorus. Brian Wampler shows how to use it as a stereo widener and, while I quite like what the Mimiq does, I found the Arion works better if I am running another modulation pedal earlier in the chain (Arion last ofc).
I think first one was Mimiq.
Hi Leon, "Curious" as you described, is how I've found mine. Quite a hard pedal to use, as those three knobs and three-way switch drive me crazy - I forget what I was actually trying to do with it (Randy Rhoads doubling effect). But I like it for a variation away from the +11/-9 EVH Micro-Pitch thing I use too much.
Good morning Leon! Thanks for sharing, Kevin and Leon! I have mixed feelings about this. Would work well in a mix I think! Thanks for sharing brother and Be Well All!
I picked one up, sounds great to me - what I'm missing is all your high end gear! :)
I recently added this to my two evh rigs together , not bad , along with the eventide pitch shifter. Not a bad little pedal. It does widen the sound with two amps . The clean tones are pretty good , when you add some modulation effects. Rock on mr todd.😎
That JP7 in heavy rotation, bro... ;)
I need to get one of these to save time in my studio. That way I only have to learn a part enough to be able to play it once!
I've used the Mimiq when I want to quickly record an idea and hear how it sounds doubled in a rough mix with drums and later with bass too. This way I can just let the riffs flow and I don't have to worry about being able to double the take to hear the doubling.
A utility tool for riffage - I like it
That would probably be my main use for it too.
Do both outputs have to go hi-z if straight into an interface or ?
@@SuperDeadRooster I've had my Focusrite Scarlett inputs set for instument level.
if you're demoing why would you need double tracks lol
I just recently ran into this pedal and looked into if its good or not, and lo and behold your video answered all my questions
as always Leon thank you so much for all the educational video's you post 🤘
Glad I could help!
I would almost put this pedal in the modulation camp and use it as such -- not necessarily for doubling/tripling -- more as a chorus type effect. Would be curious to hear how it pairs with other modulation effects...
One idea I had for a pedal like this is to get one each for both the other guitar player in the band and myself so that we could possibly achieved quad-tracked tones without actually having to track two separate guitar tracks. I figured this would work perfect for both playing live shows and being able to capture a huge live sound as well as being able to play through some really low output pickups that don’t have that much gain on tap.
Listening with Sony 7506 phones it actually sounds good (to me.) I could use this. The Eventide Micropitch does this doubling effect too but with more options and a full on stereo delay (and a much higher price.)
sounds killer mate. That mk4 is a beast also
Crushing amp!
Sounds like the first play through is the doubled version and the second one is the pedal. There is some less natural sounding aspect of the second one at the end of chords or when the single notes bloom. That reminds me of using the thicken in the G system by TC back in my cover band days.
How did I miss this?
Thanks Kev.
I may have to buy one of these. ♥️🤘♥️
So good hey!
@@LeonTodd Yeah, it sounded great. ♥️🤘
1st one was Mimiq. Clearly hear a phasing issues for super short time here and there. But damn - it spreads the mono sound amazingly well.
Thanks Kevin!
I wrestled with the Mimiq for over two years, trying to find some combo that could be collapsed into mono for recording purposes. I even used an AmplifireBox down the middle, to sit over a stereo hard-panned Mimiq signal processed by an Axe Fx 3 and summed to mono. Nothing seemed to make the Mimiq "mono friendly".
After the Cygnus release, I found that the Mimiq had no advantage when compared to a single guitar signal sent to two amp blocks, each feeding a stereo cab, with only one stereo cab feeding a reverb block, and the entire mixed output going into a crossover/filter to pan the highs out more than the lows, then output to an external stereo mic-pre/parallel comp/EQ. This non-Mimiq stereo sound was just as wide as the Mimiq, but also sounded great in mono. As soon as I discovered this wide stereo setup, which sounded big like the Mimiq and also sounded great in mono, I sold my Mimiq and never looked back.
I'm not sure whether my new stereo setup means the end of double-tracking, but I've found it to be more versatile in a "wide guitar" recording context than the Mimiq.
Double tracking will never have its end no matter how much u feel the AxeFx or any piece of gear for that matter, can add doubling effects, it is still no comparison to real double tracking.
@@SharpEdgeStandardOfficial Maybe, but perhaps my main point was lost on you. My new stereo setup, in my experience, is more versatile in a "wide guitar" recording context than the Mimiq.
I got this pedal after JP gave it a good review and used it in his live rig. Been using it for maybe 2 years now in my stereo rig. Love it, sounds massive in stereo. See how it goes when I move across to QC when it arrives🤞
How did it go? How did you route it?
JP? Petrucci gave this a good review?
@@jfo3000 Petrucci still uses it in his live rig which I would say is a pretty good endorsement.
Good substitute for the MXR Flanger/Doubler when building a "DIME" rig ;-P
I love this pedal. It works best kicking it off and on when playing and definitely adds to rhythm playing, spreading and defocusing the sound. It lacks something I can't put my finger on, but it's on my board until that thing arrives.
I had one and sold it. To me the pedal would shine in a live situation, with one guitarist and two amps, each side of the stage (what it’s meant for). One amp just sounds like a mess. For the studio, I prefer to double track in the traditional way. And my Kemper, with the stereo widener active, sounds far better to my ears. The Stomp can also do the work. Nice video though.
Hello and thanks for this demo! How does it compares to the axefx enhance blocks or other time based tricks for live use?
after watching ..I bought one..thanks for the awesome review
love this LT👏🔥 are you running the mimiq thru the AxeFx efx loop?
Can you get a close approximation of that detune trick you highlight in the ADA mp1 video you did?
How did you route this pedal through the Axe FX III? I want to hook up my mimiq pedal in my axe rig but not sure how to run it through the outputs and inputs?
Just got one. They were out of stock everywhere for a long time
I always thought an effect like this might sound slightly more authentic with a small amount of pitch detune on the effected signal as well as the in-built delay of the mimic (perhaps an eq too). Therefore imitating the timing errors, tuning imperfections and tonal differences of double (multi) tracking.
Might have to do a vid running this into the Eventide Micropitch Delay and an Eq on one side!
@@LeonTodd That sir, is exactly what I want to hear.
I believe (not certain) that the Mimiq DOES apply some pitch alteration to the doubled signal. Their doubling algorithm is a combination of timing, pitch, and some other stuff. It's definitely not just delay.
5:03 sounds like the full tone and somewhere around 5:08 sounds like there’s less top end. But it wasn’t a clear change. More like a nice crossfade
JP uses one but no use in my mono live rig
There are numerous ways to get this vibe with all the AxeFx 3 has in the box for stereo
So I would not burn $100 to own one
Thanks for the review
What would happen if I use two at the same time?
Is this essentially trying to emulate the Eventide micro pitch thing? Sometimes it sounds almost like a slap back.
I see someone did not bother reading the manual)))
They actually write there that turning the tightness knob to the right for a muddier sound. I did not get the manual with the pedal, so I guess that is the issue. There is a small one page brochure showing the inputs and knobs, but that's not the full manual, so I can't blame you)
Anyone else getting noise on the effect out? It's like high levels of interference on my end? I'm powering my pedalboard with an ispot pro 12.
The Mick Mars pedal! 🤘🏻😷🤘🏻
I will own one… trying to find a small pickguard white SG first though. 😭
It’s my “White Whale”…. Yar!
I run the mini version on one output of a stereo FX unit for a little extra sass
That is what i was thinking of how to use it... it's sound equal than the first version?
@@shoseinen there's only one dub on the mini but otherwise the same
So... 2 or 3 dubs means a simulation of quadtrack o hard panned doubletracking plus one more on the center?
In the quick cut segment, I couldn't tell any difference at all. I thought I heard a difference in the two full segments and maybe the real doubling was segment 2? That may be all in my head, though. Slick unit.
Hey Leon, by any chance you see this or if anyone else can opine, I'd like to know how you connected this thur the axefx? I'm using a axefx2, Im assuming from your comments you use the FX send (1 cable/mono) to the mimq, then return (stereo 2 cables) to the FX return. You said you grabbed the signal from where in the chain? was it before or after any affects in axefx patch? I'm thinking the signal can send just before any time based effects, then returned as to send the double through those effects or even after to have like a dry and wet sound? Some clarity would be really appreciated. Thanks
After the amp and cab
Meant to be used in stereo and sound it’s best. If you’re running stereo, do yourself a favor and get one. You’ll never turn it off
I’m curious if this thing would play nice with a stereo chorus or any other kind of modulation
It does, just put it at the very end of the chain that way EVERYTHING is shifted on one side and it keeps the double-tracked feel.
See I had the opposite experience. I run Phase95 and a Mooer E-Lady and the Mimiq was a bit much. Some weird EQ going on. Dry, sounded good.
What does the internal switches do
Can this be used in the mixing stage? ie as a hardware insert? Does it except line level? I get live recordings to mix and sometimes I only get one guitar if they’re a 3 piece etc, be great to get a stereo spread somehow. I’ve been using Waves ADT but it’s not that great
Not sure unfortunately. Seemed to take a pretty hot output here
I think the second playthrough was the Mimiq, but it's not like it really jumps out.
If you haven't tried it as a splitter in front of two separate rigs I suggest you give it a shot. I find having different EQ and distortion/phase characteristics makes it sound even bigger, as well as imo making the "phasey" sound even less noticeable. (You'll still want to stick to 1 dub so dry is coming through one rig and the effect is coming through the other.)
Hey, if you run it as described (dry to one rig, doubled effect to another), what happens if you bypass it? I often want to drop down to a single guitar for breaks/riff intros and bring the second guitar back in when everything else kicks in, but I can't find if that will actually happen on the Mimiq or if it'll just put two dry signals out each stereo output.
@@reecedavies5381 you're saying you would want the second output to shut off completely? I haven't had it hooked up for a while, but IIRC you get dry out on both channels when bypassed.
Is this possible after a multi-effects runs with Amp Sim and IR? (Guitar>Multi Effects>Mimiq>Stereo PA System)? I really want to know if it really works on that method. Hope you reply, Thank you in advance!
yep
Great video... Great pedal
Can you do this thing with the dual detune on the pitch block on the fm3
Check out the "Mimiq mimic" on the fractal forum
Great video Leon - thanks much
Very welcome
How is it for metal solo tones? Is this what dimebag used in the legendary domination solo in the Moscow show
Dime used the MXR rack double delay IIRC. These didn't come out until after his passing unfortunately.
KEVINKEVIN!! WHATAWHATADUDEDUDE!!
I'm curious if this would sound better, or after other effects?
Yay Kevin!
Hi!
I'm new here, I mean into a Fractal Audio world, and Why I'm mentioning it here?
I've checked Your wideo about enchencer ideas and there was one with pitch from Cooper (G66) so I wonder which one is better in YOUR opinion for live gigs?
Mimiq can't be turn on and off but Pitch block can so I can hace a wide tracks on rythm and them solo in the middle sort of speaking.
Also. I know that for Mimiq it makes diference but does it also for Cooper Pitch block to use two diferent amps/cabs to even more separate the signal?
Thanks for all tutorials!
Try them both and let your ears be the guide!
@@LeonToddMimiq sounds more true stereo double tracking than this Cooper preset as I hear it from demos on the headhones IMO. WAY MORE stereo so I wonder if those demos aren't giving the whole true because from them it's like night and day.
The Pitch sounds like Petruci, sort of speaking mono to stereo brainqorx plugin while Mimig at 1 o'clock sounde almost without any artifacts.
Did you notice that dry signal is colored and change your input signal sound is changed?
You could by all means try doubling by turning the dry down on triple tracking mode, your two takes remaining dance around your dry signal instead of always being after it as would be the case in double track mode
Unavoidable haas effect due to universal law on time 🍺
One dub - tightness after 1 o’clock
Wet dry all the way up. Best sound for a double track like effect to use live.
It’s a killer pedal for this but I still believe that one should double track the good old fashioned way in the studio.
I feel the TC Mimiq doubler is possiby the best for the task, but the Boss Metalizer caught my ears... the only problem besides if it's good or not, is Mono input/Stereo output. I'm not sure how TC mini doubler how functions because is purely mono... may be it goes to just one amp with a splitter/stereo pedal at the end of the chain.
Yeah the mini doesn't seem very useful TBH
Can such a doubler be created on an FM3 and how? Thank you.
Search "mimiq" on the forum and there's a few cool approaches
I currently use a TC Electronic MIMIQ Doubler pedal for my current dual mono rig to split the signal to two amps and give me that bigger sound but I've been wanting to try a wet/dry setup. I'm not sure if this pedal makes sense for wet/dry as it seems to be designed for stereo use. If I run my wet effects through the MIMIQ, will that just sound TOO lose being that the MIMIQ is only effecting my wet affects? (Chorus, tremolo, reverb delay) Any help would be really appreciated!
I think stereo is the way to go here. You'll get some weird phase issues running wet/dry.
@@LeonTodd Thanks mate!
Stereo - 2 amps of course, 3 dubs and dry knob all the way down/off. 🤘🤘🤘
Does this pedal work well if you don't have axe effects and pro tools?
Of course
I think its the second take with the Mimiq. Which is it?
🤓HOW BOUT USING IT IN THE EFFECTS LOOP ( RETURN ONLY ) WITH 2 MARSHALL DSL 100W AMP HEADS.... FEEDING INTO OTHER RACK GEAR : JMP-1 PREAMP & OTHER RACK EFFECTS ??????
How many of you use the Mimiq in your rigs?
In mono or stereo?
I used it and I loved it!
I have a Mimiq in the loop of my Kemper (mono send/stereo return) in the MOD slot (i.e. after the amp and cab models). 2 dubs, Tightness all the way down, Dry at ~90% (basically unity gain), Effect at ~60%.
In a stereo loop at the very end of the chain (even after delays and verbs). One double (just want the fake second guitar, not chorusing), full effect + full wet (for the 100% L/R hard pan thing), drunk knob between 11:00 and 1:00 depending on the speed of the groove. Always in for rhythm patches, always out of the loop for leads. I play mostly in cans and hate being mono'd out when jamming. This thing is a godsend in that respect. Gets your brain instantly in the context of what it will sound like once double tracked.
@D. A. It's a stereo widener and really should be used with a stereo rig. Mine is the VERY last pedal in the chain. I know they make one mono for the Randy Rhodes "double tracked lead" kind of thing which is more like a chorus, but it doesn't really sound that good in context, IMO.
They say that Mimiq shines when couples in a fx loop rather than in front of input, do you agree?....
I have one and love how it sounds splitting the signal into two entirely separate amps. As Leon said in the video though, it NEEDS to be in stereo to sound right. Well, technically not stereo, but feeding two separate signal paths to separate speakers anyway. "In front" doesn't work well if you mean in front of just one regular head or combo.
Similar to a compressor its hard to hear the effect its all in your mind.
I have one…I use it with my AxeFXIII….I think it’s Randy Rhodes in a box…..or Ride the Lightning..I love mine…I use it all the time….I can’t quite get the same sound out of the AxeFXIII…..Randy’s Over the Mountain Solo,this is that sound…
hi Scott, are you also running the Mimiq at the end of your chain? LT noted he's running it at the end, with a send/return blcks chucked in prior to output.
@@DeathMetalGuitar I generally run mine after the cab block,before the delays and Reverbs….but I have run it like this too….works great either way…
@@scottpeters4401 thank you Scott :) Gonna try it as you noted - i'm also running some pretty wild multi-delay ping-pong effects which is likely to play havoc with the Mimiq tracking (>.
@@DeathMetalGuitar I have never noticed my delays screwing with the tracking…As long as the delays come after the Mimiq,I think you will be fine….just play around with it and see what works best for you…..I love this pedal….I mostly leave it on all the time..
@@scottpeters4401 thank you Scott again! that is very reassuring :)
Just sounds like a weird flanger. I think the Keeley 30ms does a slightly more realistic job - or my TC1210 😁
Tell me more about your 1210 :D
@@LeonTodd I actually have two but the first one I got had been mucked around with at some point..the second one sounds incredible. Lifeson in a box. I run Komet K29 in to Ambikab and it just makes everything sound a mile wide. Have an OG Dimension D too. Anything you’d like to know in particular? Thanks for all your hard work too, man! 🙏🏼
i think the second one was the real double tracked bit.
Now run it in stereo into an H9 on micropitch and you will have a thicker tone than any human can handle.
You read my mind!
Is the axe fx enhancer something similar to this?
Little different. Enhancer increases the size of the space(kind of reverb+euqalizer?), but Mimiq is doubling simulator through a delay.
@@jaeseonn I see, thanks. So I could emulate a doubler through a very short stereo delay?
@@cunjoz Yes, but you'll notice a slight difference. I guess Mimiq's delay speed rate changes depending on the pitch. That's the key of Mimiq's doubling sound. Try with pitchfollower or something that can give a feeling of random rate. 🤔
@@jaeseonn Yup, the secret sauce here is the delay time (and perhaps the pitch too) meanders a bit randomly as you play. What happens with a regular fixed time/pitch double is your brain gets used to the static delay time real quick and it just sounds like a L/R slapback and not a double tracked guitar riff.
Mimiq 1st take 2nd double tracked guitar??
I'm hearing 90% gravel tones. Sounds thicker, but not doubled. But ya gotta cater to the newbys who need all the help they can get.
What about an acoustic elec demo. If it's a good pedal, it should sound great w an acoustic guit.
i think the second take was the mimiq, also i dont really like the sound of the pedal with any more than just one layer
It kinda sounds like some weird early reflections type thing...
I was listening through my phone in the shower, but I legit couldn’t tell the mimiq apart from the doubled guitars
Pretty fantastic hey!
That's why it Needs to be Heard in STEREO
That JP is sick! What is the color name I wonder.
"Egyptian Smoke" from memory
@@LeonTodd Thank you. Ive been looking for a color I love to buy one.
Can't this be done with the axe FX alone. Kinda
The first one must be the double tracked one. Otherwise I‘ll have to get a Mimiq and never double track again. 😂
Sounds like a there’s just a normal signal and an octave pedal
This is awesome!
I don't think they make these anymore...all I find online is the mini version....the stereo version is nowhere to be found.
REALLY???
Supply chain issues. back in stock now
Do you have to have 2 amps to use this?
It works best in a 2 amp setup
@@LeonTodd but you can use it for just 1 amp tho??
@@beatlejuice5951 it's kinda pointless in mono, it requires a stereo setup for the double tracked sound
Is it analog or digital?
DIGITAL
We won’t do the love thing not at all
Are you going to NAMM uncle Leon?
Not this year. It always rolls around and I'm like "I had a whole year to plan for this and here I am sitting in my board shorts again"
It sounds artificial because it's after the amp.
You get a better result if it's the first thing after the guitar.
I'm sorry bro. It's just a waste of space...in mono anyway. I'd have to try it twenty feet apart with different amps...that's the ONLY place I'd use it.
Good effort for real but not for me so far.
Take a first doubler. Take two two real guitars. It's completely different to hear this about two real amplifiers. Two guitars sounds much better. If you were to play with a more fluid and less tight sound two guitars would sound even better.
Mmm. I'm late to this thread but I must say ...the Mimiq immediately sucked any decent tone you had going on. And sounded like a speaker place inside one of the giant John's Manville corrugated irrigation pipes they use under roads to direct water . Fake is the word
Crap pedal … sorry to be harsh
I sold mine. Complete garbage.
His tone is so freakingly distorted, everything sounded like a bunch of awful noise. One dub, two dubs…. everything sounded the same. Just terrible.
Its so distored that you cant get a sense of what the peddle does. Just lame in general. Ive heard the Mimic, it sounds really good when used and recorded properly.